More of Chad Ripperger on the Shawn Ryan Show

On this Episode we React to Chad Ripperger talk about Generational curses and Exorcisms.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Welcome to Faith Fiction and Folklore, or as we like to call it the Trieth Podcast, where we try not to mess the podcast up. And for our final segment tonight, we thought we would uh do what we said we were gonna do and look at the Chad Ripper Ripper Ripper video one more time. Uh and this time we were gonna look at generational curses and rituals and exorcisms specifically, and then you and I were gonna go back and forth on that. And uh yeah, and then we would wrap up. That would be all we'd cover with that particular video from Sean Ryan. So alright. So let's see. Beans to Kalix says they got you. Oh wait, no, that's I apologize being Beans DeCalix. I don't know why my chat's being all weird. Anyway, it doesn't matter. So, Trevor, do you have any thoughts on this uh Chad uh Ripper guy's an exorcist? Um we've we've done one video on him. Apparently it's like the most popular video we've done, and I know nothing about the guy. So who is he?

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Well he's uh uh he's basically the leading exorcist in the country, as far as the Catholics go. So if if if you need uh an exorcist, um you would basically hardly ever get this guy to like show up. He would call your local area if you were to get a hold of him. Um where's he out of? Oh, I don't recall uh Sean Ryan talks about it at the very beginning of the video. Um he tells where he's from.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Well he's apparently very well known. He's apparently very well known.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

So he he did a lot of his training in in Romania, which I think I believe most of the exorcists do their training.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

I think it's Rome. I don't think it's Romania, I think it's Rome. Might be wrong about it's Rome? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

One of the two.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

We want to Google it again.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Rome or Romania.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Let me Google it really quick. Hang on. Where do exorcists exorcists train? AI is loading. Come on, I want the town, guys. Don't be obnoxious. Alright, let's try rewarding that. Do exorcists train in Rome. Loading, loading, loading. It's not gonna tell me. Alright. Doesn't matter. Are you ready to react to this guy?

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Uh do you have any thoughts on load a biography, but my my internet's being weird. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Oh my goodness, Trevor. We're just having all kinds of problems tonight, ain't we?

SPEAKER_03 3:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Oh well. Well, let's just go ahead and start playing this, and hopefully it'll start working, and we'll react because I know you have some thoughts on generational curses and rituals and packs, and that's something you're kind of opinionated on. So we'll play this until we get to that point, and then we'll kind of hear what you have to say.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

He's uh Archdiocese. He's in the Archdiocese from Denver, Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Denver, Colorado. Okay. Well, there you go. All right, well, let's see what he has to say here.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

When we're talking about the occult and and in in satanic rituals and worshiping, and are these people are they possessed? Are they hoping to be possessed? They want to be possessed? Are they inviting demons into their into their soul, into their mind, into their body?

SPEAKER_04 4:29

Uh, yeah, the d they okay, so there's um varying degrees. Some of them are not, actually. They're actually not possessed. They're just involved in it because they they um the demons do reward them like by obsession or by giving them pleasure in doing sadistic things. And so they'll um they're not necessarily possessed. Some of them are possessed, and that's why they're actually involved in it, and they know they're possessed. Some of them, as I mentioned too, there's like these the the family histories where it's in the family line. So the possession actually, the the father will actually have children and then do a ritual to get the demon that's possessing him into the child so that it passes from generation to generation. So they'll have generational possession that's been going on for you know literally hundreds of years in some cases.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

And so those people um they know they're possessed and uh they like what I've I've found out recently wh when he he's talking about the rituals there, mm-hmm. It could be i anything. Anything. Uh you mean like a sat sexual ritual is the like the the usual one.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Like uh if a father or grandfather or even moms uh they can sexualize their kids. Like, you know, do stuff with them. Right. And that's considered an invitation by the demonic realm. And that can cause generational curses to to start.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Alright, well define what a generational curse is. Like what what do you consider a generational curse? Like, what is that?

SPEAKER_03 6:10

So m pr my understanding of a generational curse is l let's say you have a family. They go back as far as you want to. They uh let's just say they're poor and they want to make some money and so they make an agreement with some sort of demon or uh evil spirit, if you will, to make riches. So the spirit or demon will tell them, okay, well you have to do this like uh a blood sacrifice or sexualize your kid, or do some sort of do something for the demon. And um usually they'll they'll get drunk or something or super high, and then they'll do the deed and that will cause the demon okay, you did that for me. Here's your reward. But you also have to take on this curse. And that curse will follow your family for generations until I get what's promised to me. And so that person will come into agreement and have those riches or whatever they asked for, not knowing that they're actually they can actually sign that agreement or come into that agreement and if they don't cut it off, that agreement will last until somebody in the line breaks it. So even if um by Jesus blood. The blood of Jesus is really the only thing that from my understanding.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

So the only thing that'll cancel it out.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Now the way I've heard about this generational curse stuff is from what I understand, they uh even if somebody doesn't like know about it or wasn't involved in the occult or whatever, it can affect them. Is that true? Is that what you've heard?

SPEAKER_03 8:41

That that's um some witches can send you a generational curse, and that's like an unknown one.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Well, how would they how would they get away with that? Like, how would they have the authority to just chuck a curse at somebody?

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Uh you know how we pray to God?

SPEAKER_01 9:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

They do like witches and stuff will will pray to whatever deity they're following.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Well, sure, but sure, but how do they get access to the home? Like how do they how do they get how do they get a link with that person or whatever? How do they get the authority to do that?

SPEAKER_03 9:23

Well, uh if you're not covered by the blood of Christ, it's it's really easy for them to do that. Um say they bring somehow uh you get a cursed doll. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

So they'll try to bring like a cursed object into the home.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

They'll give your kids a birthday present. Okay. They're okay. It's like a doll. Alright. It's really popular with Lou Boo-Boo dolls right now, actually. Yeah, they're like or uh like say a picture of a family member. They'll curse that picture and they can actually write on the back of the picture and put it in a picture frame, and you'll never know if you don't pull out that frame. It's cursed.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

And uh interesting. Yeah, uh there's so many different ways that we don't know about like Jesus said it, my people suffer for lack of knowledge. They just simply don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

So they use basically cursed objects to gain access into the house, and then so I'm assuming that there has to be some kind of link to the group or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

Yeah. Okay. You know, even you gotta be careful with it because a lot of Christians in the Western world don't don't believe that, you know, if you just use, you know, in Jesus' name, get out. Which doesn't actually always work, because it's always worked for me.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

I've never I've never had anything I've never had anything like.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

But that's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

Have you tried to do it multiple times?

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yeah, see, I always say in Jesus' name get out, and then whenever there's an issue, they you know, I don't they don't always go away on the first time, but you know, you keep at it, they eventually leave.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Yeah, and then later they'll come back.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Yeah, and then you do it again and eventually it's done.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

And then they come back, and then they do it again and they come back. And some people they do it once and it's done. They cut it off and it's done.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

Well that's why I believe we have a generational curse is because we just have to keep doing it over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Okay, well, I mean that's possible. How do you know they're the same demon? How do you know they're not like different things or whatever?

SPEAKER_03 12:20

They could be different ones every time. I mean, it's possible. I mean, I don't know. I don't I don't actually like no. This is just from my own understanding of it.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

So well, I mean, in my experience with this stuff, like Christ's name has always been sufficient. I've never, you know, had to like I would I mean I would I wouldn't I wouldn't well it's not it's a technically the whole thing spiritual warfare, but I've never had to like appeal to uh another source of authority or something like that. Christ's name has always been enough because it's it's him doing the work. Like I don't really do anything, you know what I mean? So it's like why would I like why would I need somebody else or whatever? Because that would to me that would make it seem like it's them doing the work and not Christ. I don't feel like that's right. And so, you know, like this is kind of one of my I don't what the word is. Like, I don't necessarily have a problem with their being exorcists or you know, that function existing, but I've always kind of felt like you don't need the authority of the church. Like I I admire the Catholics because they at least acknowledge that demons are real and it's a thing that people have to deal with, and a lot of Protestant denominations don't even go that far. And so I've always kind of had like respect for them for that, but I've never like I've always kind of had just like a little bit of irritation because it's like, well, it's Christ doing it. Like we don't do anything. You know what I mean? It's not there's not some sort of hidden power in the in the crucifix, there's not some sort of hidden power in the holy water, like it's faith in Christ, and Christ, when you ask him for help, honors that, you know. Yeah, because he doesn't want you tormented by demons. So I mean I've never you know, I've never had like go any further. I mean, I've had to like read uh psalms in houses before, you know, and and do like a blessing type of thing while reading the Psalms, but I mean Christ's name has always been enough. It's never been because I'm not doing anything at the end of the day. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Yeah, and it doesn't always have to be you, like you could have uh someone else, like a guest in your home. And they are not covered. And sometimes that's all it takes. And then you have to, you know, in in Jesus' name, cast out whatever they brought in. And uh but no, in other cultures, like in Africa and stuff, yeah, all this demon demonic uh generational curses and stuff is is like they're always having to deal with it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Well, how do they know if they have a generational curse? Like are they seeing like supernatural whatever supernatural stuff happen shadow people walking around? Are they is it's just people getting sick? Because I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to get a you know kind of get a headwind here, because obviously people are going to be like, well, people are just calling a sickness or a generic misfortune a generational curse when they don't really know. I mean, that's obviously what the secular person is going to say. So, like, how do they know it's a generational curse or it's a demon bugging them as opposed to just like a regular illness?

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Yeah, that's that's their thing, though, is they don't have our modern medicine that we have in other countries. So it it's common for them to like Jesus is all they have. That's it. So if they get super sick and say cancer, for instance, they don't have access to the health benefits that we do. So all they have is spiritual warfare to deal with that. So it's uh it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Yeah, well, let's see what Mr. Chad has to say here.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

So is that w is that like generational trauma?

SPEAKER_04 16:53

Uh well it's distinct from generational trauma in the sense that generational trauma is something that gets passed from generation to generation, but it's more of a psychological thing, even though demons can be involved in it. Um but you can have um generational trauma without it being possession. But it can the trauma, the possession can be the result of the trauma.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

So when you're saying a father does a ritual on his on his offspring to to carry on the possession, right? What would that look like?

SPEAKER_04 17:21

Uh well, very often it's just some type of either like a black mouse or some type of other satanic ritual that they actually have, because they have a variety of different ones that they do. Sometimes it just involves satanic ritual abuse of their own child. Um they'll abuse the child sexually or some other fashion. So you'll see that uh they'll do specific things to uh um rituals that are somewhat designed for them. But it's usually some type of black mask or satanic ritual abuse that's that occurs. Did you say black mask?

SPEAKER_05 17:51

Black mask. Black mask, black mask. And so i if it's if it's sexual in nature or or or or you know something horrific like that, I would imagine that creates a hatred between the father and the and the son or the father and the daughter. Yes, it does, Jeremy. Yeah. And so how would that get carried on? Do they teach them later in life this is what you have to do to your kids? How does it how does it get paid forward?

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Oh yeah, they do it just as you would teach your kids about Christ and give them catechesis about this is how you're you know, this is what we believe about Christ, this is how you behave, they do the same thing except in relationship to their occult practices and Satan. So they do the same thing. Why would that person want to carry it forward though? Uh because of the fact that um usually during that process, they'll teach them rituals which empower them in relationship to other people or other things, or they'll or um, you know, especially with um with the boys, not so much with the girls, um, very often what will happen is that they'll teach the boys how to engage in satanic ritual abuse, which is sexual in nature, and the go the boys physically enjoy it, and so they'll they'll have that motivation, so there can be natural motivations. Um two, once the possession occurs, the demons will drive the person to want to know more about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Hey, look at that. Oh, I don't want to listen to any more music. We already had a close call tonight. No, thank you. I am good. I don't like music that can be nailed for copywriting. And those schools turn your kids into idiots. Cogs in the machine, I say.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Cogs speaking of cogs in the machine, that's what's American oil oil.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

What? The ad. Oh, the ad was cogs in the machine. Cogs in the machine. Well, we still need oil, so alright. No, we don't. Black Mass. You know anything about those?

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Black Mass.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

If it's okay, it's okay if you don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Black Mass is a ritual celebrated by various satanic groups. Uh-huh. Often seen as a sacrilegious parody of the traditional Catholic Mass.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Oh, okay. So they're making fun of the Catholic Mass then. Okay, alright. Yeah. Just thought of it.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Everything everything demons do is making fun of anything to do with Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Okay. Well, I think we have chased the generational curse thing as far as we can. And it's We're chasing, we're chasing. Yeah. So do you have any final thoughts on the subject before I move on to exorcisms?

SPEAKER_03 20:40

No, let's move on to exorcisms.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Alright, we are moving on to exorcisms, unless somebody in the chat has a question or something we can look up or something like that. All right. A chat question? Yeah, a chat question. So, all right, inside an exorcism. I think we're gonna have a Sean Ryan ad here. Oh, we're back. Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_05 21:01

What happens? What's the what's the process like? What goes on inside the room when an exorcism's happening?

SPEAKER_04 21:09

Uh depending on what the stage of the case is. So if we were just starting out, that's one thing. But if you're talking about just your average, where we already know the person's possessed, the demons manifested uh in the past, um, basically what will happen is it's it's a very structured approach. So in many cases, uh, if the person who's possessed can tolerate it, we'll actually offer mass so that the person can receive Holy Communion, which then weakens the demons significantly uh during the session. So then we'll we'll say mass. Um we also encourage the person beforehand to have gone to confession before they get to get to the session. So then the section at the section will say mass, and when the session begins, there's a series of prayers that we actually start before we start the formal ritual. And basically the reason those are done is to uh provide everybody protection that's in the room, um, and then it's also done to make Sure, that we clamp down on the demon from doing things that we that are just distractions or bad behavior. Because usually by the time you get a month or two in, you kind of know what their patterns are going to be and what they're likely to do. And this is also to keep people physically protected so the demons don't do anything physically to harm anybody. So we do a series of prayers, binding prayers, which bind the demon from being able to do certain things. And then we'll actually start the formal ritual. So the ritual is uh it's a Latin ritual. It usually starts out with the litany of the saints. Um and that is also diagnostic, not diagnostic because a lot of times when the demons um during different phases of the possession, they'll react to different saints at different times because and usually you'll start finding out why you're reacting to this saint, and it's usually because it has something to do with the demon's particular sin, or the saint is gonna be instrumental in in um interceding for this person that's possessed, etc. Or the saint actually might be the nemesis of the particular demon that you're actually dealing with.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Um see, I gotta be honest. When I hear about all that stuff about the saints and stuff, I kind of feel like that's pageantry on the part of the demon. Yeah. I've never really thought that that was actually affecting them.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Yeah, I always thought it was more as a they're they're being trained how to take take on. You know, the Catholics and whatnot. So so the the the person that's being set free will be okay for a little while, and then you know, the Bible talks about the the demon leaves so the person gets cleaned up and then the demon goes and gets stronger demons and comes back. And so the person has to either get cursed or get overwhelmed or something, and it's worse. Or um they stay in the church and stay believing and Jesus and they're fine.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Well, yeah, I just never understood. It's like why why do you need to be appealing to all the saints and stuff and why are they reacting to that? Like it just seems like it's kind of like a way for them to avoid getting cast out, you know? Yeah. Because that you know, if you read the Bible, that seems to be the main thing that they're scared of. It's like, you know, being cast out as somebody and sent back to hell or sent back to wonder or whatever. They ask to be thrown into the pigs, and so I mean, that ain't much to go on, but you would figure, given that that is like the little bit of information we have on them, you would think that the main thing that they would be interested in would be trying to avoid getting cast out for whatever reason. So it seems like, oh, you've got my pet sin, oh you clever exorcist you. I kind of feel like that would be, yeah, a ruse.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

That's just me though, unless you have some information or a perspective I ain't aware of.

SPEAKER_03 25:31

Nah, there's there's all sorts of different people all over the internet. Just depending on how much faith you have. You know. If you have the faith of a mustard seed, you're gonna move the mountains. G Jesus himself said that you will cast out demons in my name.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah. So I mean, I certainly think exorcisms are possible. I'm just a little dubious about the whole the saints being coordinated or correlated with particular sins or the opposite of a particular sin or something like that. I just I'm a little dubious about that. I don't know if I buy that, Trevor.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Well, yeah, it's it's it's a whole realm in itself. Like uh some people will will go as far as rec there are people that record um like all these different kinds of demons, like you got the uh what's the realm of the water? What's that called? The realm of the water? Um I don't know. There's a whole there's a whole demon faction that comes from just water.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Is that something tied to that Arscoatia or whatever?

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Well, the Ars Coacia.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

That thing was silly, in my opinion. I mean, we got a good laugh at Amon Hillman because of it, but it's just kind of silly to me. It was just kind of some quirky lore. Some people, it's their whole lives. Their whole lives?

SPEAKER_03 27:12

This is what they do, like uh they study the Arscoacia? No, they study all the different demonic lore and But how would you know?

SPEAKER_01 27:22

I mean, like they lie, that's like their whole shtick.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Yeah. And um what's his name? Dang it.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

That's why I like um Whenever I want to talk about something, I can't think of their name. Ah, that's alright. You think about it for a minute. We'll go back and see what this uh Mr. Chad Ripper said has to say. We'll keep listening to him for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

So uh, for example, uh St. Joan of Arc um is the nemesis of Satan under the aspect of treason through ambition. And so this is it was which is was in a case where um that was what was the the disc the reason for the possession case is that we've actually come to knowledge about certain things going on in the world um and in the church, about how people were advancing themselves in political sphere and even in the church through um uh by committing treason, you know, and the ambition part was because they wanted positions of power and things of that sort. And the reason Joan of Arc was the uh nemesis to in that particular case was because of the fact that she had been put to death by a bishop who was committing treason because he was siding with the uh the English when he was French, so that he would get a bigger diocese. And so he was committing treason through ambition, and so she became the nemesis of Satan who was driving that whole process. Um, she became the nemesis of Satan under that particular aspect. So it's diagnostic, so you can actually find out.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

And I'm sorry I have to ask, how does he know that? Like, how could you possibly know that?

SPEAKER_03 29:04

It's part of his training.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Well, how did who train him figure that out? Or whoever trained him? Like, I want to know how they actually come to these conclusions. Like, that seems like a mighty specific and big claim. It's like Joan Arc became a patron saint to fight certain kinds of demons. I'm like, well, okay, maybe, but I need a little more than just an assertion. Like, how do you know that?

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Bob Larson was the one I was trying to Okay, Bob Larson.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Yeah, you talked about Bob Larson quite a bit.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Yeah, and Bob m people like Bob Larson, you know, they they spend the he's done been doing exorcisms for 50 years.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

And people come to him and they're they feel demonic entities in their home or around them, or and he'll do a whole okay Is this person mentally ill and have them do like he works with doctors and stuff and he's very well educated and he makes sure that they are mentally cognitive enough to do an exorcism with them and his way of doing it is he figures out the name of the demon. And usually they'll tell him and it's just he's not he doesn't do it exactly like the Catholic, but it's pretty close. But he only uses uh you know the the Bible and he's got his own little crucifix and uh uh the name of Jesus. And whether he's fake or real it's totally up to uh up to you, but there's uh he's not the only one, there's many different different ones. There's uh guy named uh Daniel. Uh Apostle Daniel Adams from uh the Supernatural. He's got a channel called uh Supernatural Talk. And that's their channel. And uh he does a lot with the uh Marine Kingdom. That's the Water Kingdom, the Marine Kingdom.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Yeah, I I I just have a really hard time swallowing that there's a demonic realm called the Marine Kingdom. I just gotta be honest, I'm like that that just seems Who's been there?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

How would you know the whole kingdom that these water evil spirits come from? And they oppress people and there's there's just all sorts of different ones, and they're recorded, these people spend their whole lives in these ministries.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Bighting the demonic.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Yeah. Beans to Calix X, uh Kayley X says uh uh Calix uh says right. So I'm assuming he's asking the same thing I'm asking here about how do they know this stuff. Because the only way that I could think that they would be able to tell is if they're listening to these goobers while the exorcism is taking place. But that's the whole thing. They lie. Like I've told you the story where like the one time I ever actually like heard something audible from one of them, you know, and what did it say? It said, so young, so old, happy birthday, boy. Now, what did that mean? Nothing. It meant nothing. It was gibberish. These things lie. That's what they do. The whole thing, they they run on distractions. Yeah, so I mean, this isn't like a freaking Lord of the Rings fantasy here. It's not like there's I don't I have a very hard time believing there's a freaking water kingdom that the demons are devoted to. Like that just seems like the only the only things, the only creatures that would be in a position to tell you that would be the demons, and they're gonna lie to you to start with. So I don't know. I'm just I'm just skeptical of that. I need more information, but I'm skeptical. Yeah. Alright, you ready to move on? Are you gonna or you got a rebuttal?

SPEAKER_03 33:39

I I I don't know how to rebuttal. That's my problem.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Oh. You could go, Gary, you're a fool. You're a big, dumb, goofy goo. You're wrong about all of it. Okay, well then you could say I'm a super genius, I'm superb, I'm bordering on enlightened, or I'm just full of it.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

All you need is a blood of Jesus and say in Jesus' name, get out.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

And that that works.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Because it ain't you doing it. It ain't you doing it.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

So alright. And that may be the problem with all these guys.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I kind of think that's it, dude, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

They have millions of followers who believe that they're right.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Because it's it's pagan, it's cult, it's ritual.

SPEAKER_03 34:29

It's part of this world. It's all distraction.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Well, it's it's about giving humanity control. It's about making us feel like we're in control. You know, that that whole that whole side of the veil, we don't understand it. We don't understand any of it. God didn't tell us about that stuff for good reason. You know? I mean, we went through our stuff, but about the only thing it taught us is that, or at least the only thing it ever taught me was that I'm not as smart as I think I am. There's a whole quadrant of reality that I don't know anything about, and I probably will never know anything about until the day I die. But people like to make up rules. They like to sit there and go, okay, if I say this so many times, and if I hop on one head, and if I crush a wafer here and sprinkle water there, then it has no choice but to follow my whim and follow my orders or whatever. And it's like, look, all you can really do at the end of the day is you know, plead the blood of Christ and say Christ's name and in Jesus' name be gone. Because in the end, Christ is going to be the one who determines whether it leaves or not. You have nothing to do with it. Like, this is an entire realm you don't know anything about. You know, ultimately. I mean, I'm sure a water realm full of a demonic hierarchy makes for a great book, you know. It makes for makes for really good content. You know, you know, that that's that's why you have such rules for content, but as far as reality goes, you don't know anything. Yeah. I mean, it's it's Christ who does all the work, and you're like dependent on him. And that's my opinion. I'm willing to hear other people out if they've got, you know, another point of view, but from my perspective, I'm like, the only thing that stuff ever taught me is how little I know. That's just me.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

That's that's kind of what I've been learning.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

I can I can listen to all these different guys, and and they got great stories, and they they they seem like they know what they're talking about, and they're they they're doing God's work and everything. And they all know their Bible very well. And it's just like well, do I believe them or not?

SPEAKER_01 37:03

You take it with a grain of salt. Like, you know, but you have to ask questions, you know what I mean? Like, you don't just sit there and go, this person's crazy, I'm not going to believe them, period. You have to go, okay, how how would they if even if that were true, how could they have possibly learned it? And when you ask questions in that way, it becomes really, really obvious, like where the lies are. Because the truth is, there's only one way that they could know, is if they were talking to the demons, which the Bible's very clear you shouldn't be doing. Why? Because they're full of crap. Well, like in Leviticus, you're not supposed to talk to them, you're not supposed to interact with them, you're not supposed to cross over into that world. You know, um, as far as the testing the spirits scripture in John goes, like that's talking about like the spirit of the gospel. Um specifically, John is referring to Gnosticism, which is a heresy. That's a whole other thing it's not actually talking about you know, demons and that kind of thing. But they're not gonna tell you the truth, you know. So there's really no point in any case. So it's just not good to interact with them. But that's my opinion. And now maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there is no direct place. I feel like there is. I feel like in Leviticus it gives a whole protocol what you should and shouldn't do, but you know, maybe I'm incorrect. You can double check it for me if you like. Yeah. Uh Beans DeKalix says, Yeah, I just had this conversation earlier about people straw manning the Bible using Bukowski when it sounds like they haven't read the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, people really do like to straw man. It's a pretty easy way to make your case when you're fighting a shadow. So, um, I mean, I can Google that really quick if you would like. I could see if there's actually a direct verse that says don't talk to them, if you would like me to.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Or I could I could look it up while you play the Yeah, how about we do that?

SPEAKER_01 39:17

How about you uh look it up and see if I'm wrong? We can double check it while this is plain.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

And you afflict the demons by that process, too, just for them to hear the names of people who are faithful afflicts them. Then you actually go, um, the it kind of alternates between what we call deprecatory and implicatory prayers. So you say a prayer and asking Christ for specific things, and then you start, then you go into implicatory prayers, which is a commanding of the demons. And then that's where the bulk of the ritual is done, where you're just you're commanding the demons to consider specific things. Because the way the demons are weakened is they hear everything you say. Because I mentioned, you know, their knowledge, they got this infused knowledge in the beginning, but all the particular things that happen as they occur is infused in the demon's intellect as it happens. And so as you're saying these things, he sees it in his intellect. And so the the what happens is in that process, you're basically forcing him to consider truths which are painful to his will, because they only have intellect and will. And so it and it causes pain in their will. And over the course of time, their will, just like ours, when we become fatigued, it gets to the point where it can't sustain the pain anymore, and then it gives in. And so that's the you keep forcing him to consider certain truths and do certain things. So we'll do the, so we'll that, and we're also uh the prayer of the church is being applied to him to try and cast him out. We're commanding him to leave. Because the uh the demons know the authority structure perfectly. And so they know when the priest has received the faculties from the bishop that he has the authority to command him to leave. And so um this is, you know, we even saw this with Christ. So Christ uh said, you know, he said, By my name you'll cast out demons. But he did not say, By my name you will cast out all demons. And how do we know that? Because he also says later to the apostles, these types of demons can only be cast out by prayer and fasting. Okay, you still use Christ's name, but there's other things. Well, the authority of the church. So when Christ said to the Apostles, all authority has been given to me, goes.

SPEAKER_03 41:23

I have a comment on that one. All right. But this guy never comes out except by prayer and fasting. Why is that taken out of like most other Bibles besides the King James?

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Because there are the Alexandrian texts and the uh Byzantine texts, and everything from the revised standard edition on is using the um Alexandrian texts and the methodology of Westcott and Hort. Uh specifically, they're leaning the most on the Synaticists and the Vaticanists. And we've talked about this before. That those are absolute, they're very, very suspicious manuscripts, let's say. Incredibly suspicious. Um I have a book on that, actually. I'm gonna recommend it if you want to know more about that here in just a second. But uh that's why they take that stuff out based on the Alexandrian text instead of going with the Byzantine text or adopting like a majority text methodology. Which is why I say I was like, I'm not a King James-onlyist, but pretty much anything after like Westcott and Hortz, that'd be like the late 1800s, like you know, like the Geneva Bible would be fine, like the Gutenberg Bible would be fine. There are other Bibles that I would consider fine, but after, yeah, after Titian Tischendorf and all these different guys entered the scene, um, in my opinion, they really screwed translation up. And they started taking large chunks of text out, and it's uh you know, looks like the Synaticus, uh the Synaticus and the Vaticanus. The Synaticus might be a facsimile of like an ancient Bible. Like it's a mess. It's a whole mess. Let me actually pull a book really quick out to show people that I would recommend on it.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

So hang on. Yeah, because because I've actually had people ask me this stuff, and it's like, I I don't actually know why. Yeah. They would take small verses out like that.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah, give me just a sec, I'll show you.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Well, yeah, there's lots of stuff about deliverance from demons. Like uh James.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

That was loud and awkward. Hang on. Okay, this is the book I would recommend. Alright, so let's see. Neither oldest nor best. It is by uh David H. Sorensen. You're not gonna find this on Amazon. It's only on like his website. They try to bury this. And I think there is a they. Because all like modern biblical scholarship is based on Westcott and Hort. And it's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

So I'm that's probably why it a lot of people say that it contradicts itself.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Yeah, I think some of that is from people, yeah, monkeying around with it. But I mean, it's just it's a whole thing, Trevor. Like, it's awful. I showed this, I think I showed this to Cody a couple weeks back, but just to kind of give an idea of the little changes that they make. There's a scripture, whenever it's the Last Supper, and Christ is talking about people needing to pick up swords at a certain point in time. And one of the disciples says, Well, we have two swords here, and then Christ goes, It is enough, which kind of rounds out that conversation he was have with them, having with them. Well, in the NIV, they shift it ever so slightly to where you know he gives the same uh statement, and then the disciples say, Well, we have two swords here, and then they're like, then um Christ is like, that's enough with an exclamation point, as if to make it sound like he's rebuking them for saying they have swords and they don't actually have swords. Or like he's not actually rebuking them, that's what I'm trying to say. Like he's not actually rebuking them, he's saying it's fine. Like having two swords is fine. But they make it sound different by adding like a little exclamation point and changing the wording slightly. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so they try to they try to make Jesus sound like a pacifist, which he's not. So they do little stuff like that. Another great example is uh with the uh adultery verse, if you look at a woman with lust. We've always heard it with lust. Well, in the King James, it's to lust. If you look at a woman to lust upon her, then you've committed adultery in your heart. Now, why is that to and with important? Because to implies intent. If you say with, if you say with, it sounds like it's almost impulsive. Like you're being held accountable for your errant thoughts. But two means you are looking at that person with the intention of lusting. So there's a distinction in the meaning just by changing that one little word. And they do stuff like that throughout all the Bible, and then they turn around and go, Oh, well, there's no serious differences. Well, they're lying. Because anybody who's written a book knows that a comma can make a pretty big stinking difference. You should read the book Eat, Shoots, and Leaves. You know, to just demonstrate the It's a great example, but it's like the panda, it's like a story of a panda, you know. Basically, the panda picks up a gun, eats shoots, and leaves. Well, if you place the com depending on where the commas go, in one sentence he's literally shooting somebody, eating and leaving, and then in the next sentence, depending on where the comma goes, he's literally eating shoots as in eating leaves, and then he leaves. Does that make sense? Yeah. So it's like just depending the a comma can change the entire meaning of a sentence, and they do that stuff, and I would argue they do that stuff strategically in some of these later translations, and it's not based on anything except their opinion, and that's why I don't trust them. Again, I I don't think there's something supernaturally special about the King James per se, but anything that's been influenced by Westcott and Hort's methodology, I would reject out of hand. So I'm I'm nerding out. I I know probably ranting too much on that, but that's it's a pet peeve of mine.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

So yeah. Because it it'll i i it it's a it's a distraction for people that just don't know.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Yeah. Yeah, but it's all meant to create impressions. Like you're supposed to picture Christ as like this meek, passive person who never wanted any violence. And yeah, there's times where he didn't, but he also talks about coming back with a sword, and the Christ in Revelations is very different than the suffering servant we see in the gospel.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

So and you know and he he did flip the tables, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

That is true. So a little bit of a diatribe off the uh exorcist stuff here, but you know, it's a pet peeve of mine. I I have yet to do a video on it, but it's on the bucket list. So anyway, we'll give this guy another minute, then we need to wrap it up for the evening.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

Right. Go therefore and uh baptize all nations. He deputized the apostles and gave them an authority, which then is passed on to us as exorcists when we're doing that. That's how the fathers talk about this lineage of authority being passed. That authority, then the demons know that you have that authority. And if if you first start out um, you know, doing a diagnostic and you're praying over somebody, if the demon manifests, he might take your beating for a little while, but then at a certain point he's just gonna say, Where's your authority? This is one of the reasons why Protestants have a certain degree of uh efficacy in by using Christ's name, because it has a force of its own. And um, they might even do prayer and fasting and that type of thing. But there are certain kinds of possession or certain levels of possession where they end up on our doorstep because they they can't seem to get them liberated. And so that's when once a priest has jurisdiction, then the demons will they don't ask where your authority is because they already know where it's from, because it's already been it's been infused in our knowledge that the bishop told you that you could do this. So you do a series of prayers which causes them pain because they have to think about those particular things and it's against their will, contrary to their will. So what's happening is the pain in their will is starting to build. That's the whole goal is to get it to build to where they finally give you what you need to know in order to get them out. So you go between that and then praying and asking Christ for certain things and back into that. Once the ritual's done, what if you know what the particular uh weaknesses are of the demon, then what you'll do is you'll switch to a set of prayers or make him pray. That's one of the things I'll do, is I'll force the demon. Okay, this is what you're gonna do. You're gonna say, um uh from so, for example, one particular case, you're gonna say the litany of the precious blood. And so we was forced to talk about the litany of the precious blood as a series of invocations to Christ uh through his precious blood about specific things like burning furnace of charity and things of that sort. So we forced him to uh say those particular prayers, or we'll force them to um praise like Our Lady or something like that. And and then having to do that, it causes them their pain to increase. And then once they get to a certain level of pain, then they're likely to give you the information. Once the session What information? So the church tells you that there's essentially five things that you want to know. You need to know uh how many possessors there are, because you need to know, make sure that when the person's liberated, they're fully cleaned out. So there might be multiple demons. Yes, they have, yeah. So what's the most you've seen? Uh well I said that this this one had legion. And I I believe it was legion, but outside that context, the one that I've seen the most is 27.

SPEAKER_05 51:11

27 demons in one person?

SPEAKER_04 51:14

Yeah. And uh it was uh pretty sad case. This guy was a hurting, hurting, hurting unit, man, from all that. So most of them though, most of them are it's somewhere between one to eight, maybe, are the most, is it you tend to see as a general rule. Um, I actually did see a case where I had one case where I got rid of one demon of fear, the woman went out and did something really stupid, and then when she came back, it was literally like scripture: one leaves and seven return, seven come back. And that was literally she had seven. So um, but so the number of possessors, the names, because once you know the name, there's two aspects to the name. One, it gives you an identity. So, for example, when I had Loki in a case, um, once the demon revealed what his name was, then I was able to actually go and research historically Loki as a Norse god. Because the D says right in scripture, all the gods of Gentiles are demons. And so you can actually just go and look at the um the worship that they used to give to Loki in the past uh and to the Norse god of Loki, and uh what you'll find out in there is almost it was almost a complete description of his personality. Like, you know, he's a he's a god of mischief. And so he was just, he was just such a handle to get a hold of. But once you know the name, then you can do some research or you can ask other exorcists if you've seen this guy, um, etc. The second thing is the name gives you a power over them. Now, demons will either reveal their name right off the bat if it's not going to help, if if it's not gonna be mean that much, um, or they'll hold out and hold out and hold out as long as they possibly can, because once you know their name, then it gives you a certain power over them. We actually experience this as human beings. So if I call your name, hey Sean, if you're standing over there and I say, Hey, Sean, right? It when it comes into your faculties and you hear it, it draws your attention. Well, it's the same thing with them. When you're using their name, it draws their attention and they can't get their mind off of the thing that you're telling them to do. And so it gives you a power actually over them. So the the names, uh, how they got in, because a lot of times how they got in is how they're gonna get out. Plus, times how they got in is very often, like if it's because they were wounded very badly, like a woman was raped or something of that sort, then you have maybe some psychological issues that have to be addressed first before she's gonna get liberated. Um and then uh the time and date of departure when you're leaving. I don't ask that too often because they usually lie. Now, some what about only about 10% of the time do they actually tell the truth, but they usually lie. They'll say, Oh, I'm leaving tomorrow, and then tomorrow comes and goes and they don't leave. And the reason they're doing that is they're trying to discourage the person who's possessed. Uh, and then the final last piece of information is what is it going to take to get you out? And usually it's something very simple. So in the last case that uh the woman was liberated that I was working with, um it took us a long time to get out this piece of information. She had to go to she had to go to a specific altar uh in a particular church, and I had to say a specific prayer over her, and she would leave, and he would leave. We did it, boom, he was out. But it took us a long time to get him to that point. That that piece of information is what they're gonna hold out. And there's six stages of liberation, stage six is liberation, stage five, that last piece of information is gonna come out in stage five.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

Wow. But there's nothing about any of that in scripture, that's what bothers me.

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Yeah, and that's the one thing that I found among all the different kinds, you know, deliverances and exorcists and ministers, and they all seem to agree that as long as you can figure out the demon's name, that's when you can have power over them to cast them out.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

I mean that could be. I mean Christ asked for their names, so I mean I think it's fair to make that assumption. But you know, all that other stuff, the the whys and the explanations he was given, I'm like I i experience I guess? I don't know, but I mean it doesn't seem like we'd have any other anchor for that.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

They gotta do well, I mean, it's uh it's just uh how how they would learn customs, I guess. I don't know. How they do things tradition. Tradition is passed down through thousands of years of doing it.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

Well, if we ever come across an exorcist or meet one, I'd be happy to talk to him. I'd be interested to see how they reach these conclusions and compare notes as it were. But uh Beans to Calix uh gave us an eye emoji. It was the last uh message of the night, I believe. I'm I'm not sure what got his attention, but uh, you know. There's some pretty crazy stuff at any rate. So Mr. Trevor, do you got any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 56:27

No. Just if you ever have any problems with this stuff. In Jesus' name, get out. Speak of that with authority. That usually helps.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Well, it ain't on you. It ain't on you, it's on Christ.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

You know? Something that helps me is I'll just I'll sing Jesus loves me.

SPEAKER_01 56:48

Oh. Uh B Zakellix says it was it was the 27 Demons, lol. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. So that's a bad day. That's a bad day.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Most people get scared if you if they get oppressed by one. I couldn't imagine 27.

SPEAKER_01 57:07

Yeah, I don't know what that looks like. That's pretty crazy. So alright. Everybody, we're gonna call it a night tonight. Maisie Kalix, thank you so much. We appreciate you sticking with us, especially after all that craziness where the stream almost got shut down. So we appreciate you hanging on there. That was kind of dumb on you. Thank you for the 200 subscribers. We're pretty thrilled about that. I'm just gonna keep plugging along. And uh, yeah. He says, Well, good hanging out again. Always enjoy it, man. Always enjoy it. So alright. Well, everybody, that's all we got for this episode. Thank you so much for watching. Let me do a shameless plug one more time. Buy my book, Temple of Maggie Stone, or the familiar. I'm poor. Alright. Guys, thank you so much for watching, and we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_03 58:02

Have a good night, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

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