Live Bible Reading Genesis Chapter 27: Jacob Takes Esau's Blessing

On this episode we read Genesis 27 and discuss whether or not Jacob was wrong in taking his brothers blessings.

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So the whole thing, the whole thing you were super mad about that was her fault. So this is this is pretty nice for you.

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Well, I don't think it was all her fault, but it was mostly her fault. So I'm I'm feeling pretty good. I'm feeling pretty good today. Uh but we'll talk about that later. Then we've got to reread. Well, first we gotta reread Genesis chapter 27. Because although there was a pretty good back and forth with somebody in the chat about uh the modal ontological argument, uh Trevor was on mute for that entire episode. So we didn't get any of the chapter read.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

So we're happens when you have me run the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Ah, you'll get it figured out. It's it's OBS. It's OBS always muting things and changing stuff. And I can't, I don't know. OBS drives me nuts, man. So we're gonna redo Genesis chapter 27. Look at it again, with all three of us here. And uh let's see, what else? And then we've got Animal Farm. They're redoing Animal Farm. This is the novel by George Orwell. The commies have said, well, we can't let this stand. We gotta rewrite this too, you know. Because that's what they do. That's what they do. Commie's gonna commie. So anyway. Yeah. And then lastly, um, a mentor of mine uh passed away this week. So I wanted to end the show on a more somber note and uh had a video prepared, and I wanted to commemorate him. Would that I have had more time, I would have made a better montage, but such as it was, I decided to basically grab a couple of the stories he told over the years and kind of use those as a highlight. So I wanted to say good, uh say uh pay respects to towards somebody who's a pretty big influence in my life, let's put it that way. So, and that'll be our show. So I guess we'll start off with the reading, reading of Genesis 27. Who would like to read? Would you like me to? Or Cody, would you like to? Or Trevor, would you like to to make up for your failure last week? That's a joke.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

I've got it pulled up, I can read it. Whoever wants to. And it came to pass that when Isaac was old, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yes, yes, you're good, I can hear you.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

And his eyes were dim, so that he could not see. He called Esau, his eldest son, and said unto him, My son. And he said unto him, Behold, here I am, and he said, Behold, now I am old, I know not the day of my death. Now therefore, take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver, and thy bow, and go out to the field and take me some venison and make me savory meat such as I love, and bring it to me that I may eat, that my soul may bless thee before I die. And Rebecca heard when Isaac spaked Esau, his son, and Esau went to the field to hunt for venison and to bring it. And Rebecca spake unto Jacob, her son, saying, Behold, I heard the father speak unto Esau, thy brother, saying, Bring me venison and make me savory meat, that I may eat, and bless thee before the Lord before my death. Now therefore, my son, obey my voice according to that which I command thee. Go now to the flock and fetch me from thence two good kids of the goats, and I will make them savoury meat for thy father, such as he loveth. And thou shalt bring it to thy father that he may eat, and that he may bless thee before his death. And Jacob said to Rebecca, his mother, Behold Esau, my brother, is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man. My father pure adventure will what is pure adventure mean?

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Peradventure, perhaps my father might. There's a chance. That's why I think it means. So But we can Google it if we need to.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

My father, pure adventure, will feel me, and I shall seem to him as a deceiver, and I shall bring a curse upon me, and not a blessing. And his mother said unto him, Upon me be thy curse, my son, only obey my voice and go fetch me them. And he went and fetched and brought them to his mother, and his mother made savory meat such as his father loved.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Okay, so pause. We actually missed that last week. See, last week we were like, you know, how did how did Jacob? I I think we asked the question, how did Jacob actually get know what Esau was going to do? Rebecca prepared the food. So I think we missed that last week. Just for clarity. So Rebecca was the one who made the stuff and she made it, she disguised it the way or she made it the way Esau made it. That's what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Yeah. She made it. Yeah. So the way her husband would like it.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

So because she took what she take goats, and she's supposed to make it taste like venison.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah, so she did something to the mead to make it taste right.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Yeah, they must have said like venison.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Uh so Gary, I'm gonna let you defend Jacob before before I start in tonight.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Why why would I defend Jacob?

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Because he's Israel.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Why would I defend Jacob? You got you gotta you gotta go to war.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Yeah. I I I'm this story is it's messed up, dude. Jacob sucks.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, this is a bad thing. This is the I don't think the Bible's condoning this. This is a bad thing that happened.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

But it's like he's the whole bloodline. Like Jacob's bloodline is the whole Old Testament, isn't it? Yes. I mean that that is not a good character trait.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

No, that's bad. You're right. Jacob did bad. It was a bad thing that he did. So I think one thing to mention is that the reason that this counted, like the reason God honored this whole exchange, even though Jacob clearly did wrong, which bear in mind, Jacob gets his comeuppance. You know, note one of the last things he says in Genesis is long and miserable have my days been. So it's not like he got off of this scot-free, but one of the things to bear in mind is that Esau did not take the birthright seriously. He didn't value his birthright or go, he didn't value his bother's father's blessings, he didn't value the covenant. And this is why Paul compares or uses Jacob and Esau as an analogy later on in Romans, because the Jews did not honor their own birthright, and so the Gentiles were grafted in after the fact. And he uses this story to explain that it's basically the same dynamic. Yes, Jacob did something bad. Jacob was a sinner in the same way the Gentiles are sinners, but Esau did not value the covenant in the same way the Jews did not value the covenant when Christ died on the cross. They didn't recognize their Messiah. And so what wasn't originally meant to happen happened because the people that were supposed to be the beneficiaries of the Messiah in the New Testament and of the birthright in the Old Testament, they lose that because they don't value it. And so sinners, God will give it to people who may be doing bad things, but they at least take God's word seriously. They at least want it enough to chase it, even if they go about chasing it the wrong way. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

So Trevor, am I making sense or do I need to explain something?

SPEAKER_02 11:03

So it's more about uh seeking God and his his covenant and promises rather than like, even if you chase God in the wrong way, as long as you're sincerely chasing God, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Like God will honor somebody who's truly chasing after him, even if they're doing it like in a screwed-up way because they don't know better or being pressured or whatever. Like they don't have a person doesn't have to be perfect, they just have to take God's word seriously, I think is the point.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Yeah, because there's a lot of people right now, like uh they're they're legit, like they they come out of prison and they've done the absolute worst things you can do, and they're going into pastoral stuff. And they're leading leading lots of people to Christ. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Well it's God, I I think it's God being a you know, in a sense a chess player, he's taking people's stupidity and still working the good out of it. You know.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

That makes sense, yeah. I wonder if he'll take my stupidity and do something with it.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

I hope. I don't know, I face play pretty hard. Sorry, go on, Cody.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Like Esau, Esau was more like um I'm more like Esau. And and I wouldn't care about a covenant. You know. Like it's like a a covenant is like a to me is like a superficial, it's like paperwork, you know, it's like it's superficial, it's not important. Like what matters is your actual like relationship with God. Like I you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

I mean, I don't agree, but I think I know what you mean. Um I would challenge that because if God isn't going to be a source of consistency and constancy in your life, like if if everything if everything that he does is going to be contingent on you behaving right, or you getting it, or you understanding what he's doing, if it's contingent on you, it isn't valuable very it isn't very valuable because it's always like, well, I'll do this if you do that, but we're stupid humans. We can't keep the law, we can't fulfill the obligations of the covenant to the satisfaction of a perfect God. So I think God saying, I will honor I will honor a covenant, I will keep you, I will do the work, I think is what the val is where the value of the covenant comes from. It's in the fact that he promises something and he is consistent, whereas we're not. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Um Yep. I don't know. I just I don't see I don't see any any positive side as far as like Jacob is concerned.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

What would you have rather happened?

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Esau get his blessing.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Even though he didn't take it seriously, even though he's already shown contempt for it. Yeah. I don't think that's right. I mean, I'm not happy about what Jacob did, but if Esau isn't going to take the covenant seriously, it's doubtful as kids would. This covenant might be forgotten altogether.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

What did the blessing do in reality, though? Like what did it do?

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Well, this would be the passing on of uh Abraham's promise. So it'd be like um the land, the promise for the land. This would be the promise of a nation. This would also be the you know, the carrying of the the you know, the messiah is gonna come through your bloodline, like the promises that Abraham was offered earlier, that's getting passed on to the eldest. That's what it's meant by birthright, or that's what it's meant by this blessing. And so that covenant is being passed on. It was supposed to be passed on to the eldest, but Esau didn't buy into it. So he didn't, you know, in a sense, he didn't believe in the promises of God. So God gave it to somebody.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

He believed in it or not.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Well, maybe, maybe not. Maybe, you know, somebody has to have faith in order, or maybe let me let me put it to you like this God would rather give it to the person who has faith, even if they're a degenerate, than the person who's got his stuff together but doesn't think he needs God. Because this is one of the things about sinners, and you know, after you face plant a whole bunch, you begin to understand how much you need God, and you take you start taking your relationship with him seriously after a while. But Esau, who's got himself, who's got his ducks in a row, might not ever get into a place where he thinks he needs God. This is kind of the same problem as the uh Pharisees. You know, the Pharisees, they've got their stuff together, but at no point do they think they actually need God for anything. The Messiah is fun to talk about, but yeah, they never hit rock bottom. And so, you know, the Messiah is fun to talk about, but he's not actually supposed to show up. One of my favorite stories is actually in um is actually in uh Dostoevsky's uh The Brothers Karamazov. It's called The Grand Inquisitor, and it's a story about Christ actually returning before the end to basically interact with his church, and the church arrests him because the church is like, yeah, hey, thanks for the uh getting this whole thing started, but we really don't need you anymore. You know, it's like Christ is fun to talk about. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's like we don't sorry, go on.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

When you when you when you take like Christ's words and you put them in modern day uh dialectic and you put them in conversation, it makes people mad. I'd be like mad. Christ was a very uh uh I would call him a provocateur of sorts.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yeah, yeah. So this is Jess. Uh she said this is Jess, and she's under the handle sad songs 0807. Sound good, guys. Thank you. Faith and loyalty is rewarded, yes. So Jacob may have been a vile degenerate, but he understood that he at least took the covenant seriously and he had took his relationship with God seriously, whereas Esau had his ducks in a row and didn't take it seriously.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Interesting. So I don't know. I just seems pretty snakey, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

It was snaky, like I'm not gonna sit there and say it was right.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

I don't like it when snaky people get are are the victors of the story. Like I don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

No, I understand.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

I understand it's traumatic. You I mean you're you're in the film, you know that. So like when the when the you know at the end of the film, if the bad guy wins, like if he's the victor of the the film, like it's traumatic for people.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Yeah, but the th I don't know, it's it's not like Jacob won at the end of the story, though. This is kind of like if you're gonna put it as like a um in a film context, this is your your dark midnight of the soul moment. This is like the dramatic bad turning point for both characters. Because Jacob's gonna have to flee, and Esau doesn't get the doesn't get the rewards. There is a resolution at the end, but the tables are kind of flipped. Like Jacob's scared of Esau by the end, but then Esau turns around and forgives him anyway. And like I said, by the time you get to Jacob and Laban, Jacob pays for what he did. You know, a lot. Laban was a constant source of torment for him. And yeah, I think uh I do think Jacob paid in a lot of ways. He also paid because his kids are awful, too.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

You know, like they not all of them all of them, but that like that whole attitude that Jacob has, that that sneaky crap, like that carries through the whole bloodline.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah, it does, but it ends with Joseph.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

It ends at Joseph.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah, Joseph, Joseph is like the resolution of that whole scenario of Jacob and the brothers and all of that, because you've got the way that Genesis is structured is you've got this moment here, which is not great, and then you've got Jacob and Laban, and that whole back and forth, which goes on for forever, and then you start hearing stories about Jacob's kids, and they're awful, and that kind of reaches a climax, if you will, with what they do to Joseph, and then Joseph breaks the familial cycle, if you will, by actually insisting on doing the right thing, and then forgiving his brothers and you know, saving the like his own people and then all of Egypt. Like this this dysfunction, yeah, it functionally it all ends with uh it ends with Joseph.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

You're saying this entire behavior stops at this at this period in the Bible with Joseph.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Well, what Jacob's sneaky nature and all this that you're referring to, yes, it it ends with Joseph. Joseph, you might think of it as like a familial cycle thing, and through forgiveness, Joseph breaks the cycle.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

So who who was Jesus calling a snake?

SPEAKER_00 20:57

What the Pharisees. As are the disciples. As is most of the people from that area. So what's I I don't I think that's a generalization. I wouldn't get into I don't think that's a fair complaint to sit there and say like everybody's that way. So or say everybody from that bloodline is that way or wherever I think you're going with it. But that's not what I'm saying. What are you saying then? Maybe I'm not understanding ya.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

I'm just asking questions, so I don't know. We can move on. Oh, you're just asking questions.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

I think you just I think we're just trying to keep the conversation rolling. Are we? Maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

So What do you think, Trevor? What do you think? Give us your opinion.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

I'm not really I don't know I'm just gonna keep reading Okay Sorry cut the tension with a knife There you go There you go shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God There you go That'll work Uh where were we? Verse 14 And he went yeah And he went and fetched and brought them to his mother and his mother made savory meat such as his father loved And Rebecca took goodly raiment of her eldest son Esau which were with her in the house and put the bo upon Jacob her younger son And she put the skins of the kids of the goats upon his hands and upon his the smooth of his neck Esau was a very hairy person Yes crazy Yep And she gave the savory meat and the bread which she had prepared into the hand of her son Jacob and he came unto his father and said My father and he said Here I am who art thou my son And Jacob said unto his father I am Esau thy firstborn I have done according as thou hast thou badest me Arise I pray thee sit and eat of my venison that thy soul may bless me and Isaac said unto his son How is it that thou hast found it so quick right there? He knew it.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yeah he's like you are naughty so yeah yeah Isaac smells a rat almost right away why it didn't stop it right there. Because he didn't know for sure he couldn't prove it.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

He's half blind, but he's starting to suspect something, so uh sad sands suggest says Joseph ends the generational cycle by trusting God and I think she means forgiving here and forgiving his brother brothers he brings the family back together so yeah where are you at Trevor what verse uh verse twenty in the middle of it and he said because the Lord thy God brought it to me and Isaac said unto Jacob Come near I pray thee that I may feel thee my son whether thou be my very son Esau or not and Jacob went near unto Esau his father and he felt him and said The voice is Jacob's voice but the hands are the hands of Esau and he discerned him not because his hands were hairy as his brother Esau's hands and so he blessed him and he said Art thou my very son Esau and he said I am and he said Bring it near to me and I will eat of my son's venison that my soul may bless thee and he brought it near to him and he did eat and he brought him wine and he drank and his father Isaac said unto him Come near now and kiss me my son and he came near and kissed him and smelled the smell of his raiment and blessed him he even smelled differently it's crazy. Yeah like he's trying he's like trying to figure it out yeah he smells a rat and said see the smell of my son is as the smell of the field which the Lord hath blessed therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven and the fatness of the earth and the plenty of corn and wine let people serve thee and nations bow down to thee be Lord over thy brethren and let thou thy mother's sons bow down to thee cursed be every one that curseth thee and blessed be he that blesseth thee and it came to pass as soon as Isaac had made an end of blessing Jacob and Jacob was yet scarce gone out from the presence of Isaac his father that Esau his brother came in from his hunting and I'll uh I'll take it from here if that's alright because you've been reading a lot so are we on thirty so we're on thirty one yeah thirty one okay anybody have any thoughts so far before I go on no and he also made he and he also had made savory meat and brought it unto his father and said unto his father let my father arise and eat of his son's venison that thy soul may bless me and Isaac his father said unto him Who art thou?

SPEAKER_00 27:34

And he said I am thy son thy firstborn Esau and Isaac trembled very exceedingly and said Who? Where is he that hath taken venison and brought it to me or brought it me and I have eaten all of all before thou camest and have blessed him yea he shall be blessed And when Esau heard the words of his father he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry and said unto his father Bless me, even me also, O my father And he said, Thy brother came with subtlety or subdity subtility subtlety, I don't know and hath taken yeah and have taken away thy blessing and he said is not he rightly named Jacob for he hath supplanted me these two times he took away my birthright and behold now he hath taken away my blessing and he said Hast thou not rever reserved a blessing for me? And Isaac answered and said unto Esau, Behold I have made him thy lord and all his brethren have I given to him for servants and of corn and wine I have sustained him and what shall I do now unto thee my son? And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father bless me, even me also, O my father and Esau lifted up his voice and wept. And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth and of the dew of heaven from above and by thy sword shalt thou live and shalt thou and shalt serve thy brother and it shall come to pass when thou hast shalt have the dominion that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck. And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him and Esau said in his heart The days of mourning for my father are at hand then I will slay my brother Jacob and these words of Esau her elder son were told to Rebecca and she sent and called Jacob her younger son and said unto him Behold thy brother Esau as as touching thee doth comfort himself, proposing to kill thee. Now therefore my son, obey my voice, arise, flee thou to Laban my brother to Haran, and tarry with him a few days until thy brother's fury turn away, until thy brother's anger turn away from thee and he forget and he forget that which thou hast done to him, then I will send and fetch thee from thence why should I be deprived also of you both in one day? And Rebecca said to Isaac I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth if Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heath, such as these which are the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me?

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Didn't we try to look up the daughters of Heth at one point last week I'll look 'em up again.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Yeah so that's that so yeah um yeah so Jacob's terrible I mean it kind of sounds like Esau did take it seriously because he cried whenever he found out that Jacob stole it from him so I think he cried after the fact but I think the point of the soup analogy before is to show that he was glib about it.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

And that's the way that I've always understood it to be read by like like Paul would have read it that way and I mean I've never heard it read any other way honestly if somebody has another way to read it I I wouldn't be aware of it. He still cared I cared after it's like it's like being guilty after you've been caught punt doing something wrong. You know what I mean? It's like you cared after the fact but it was just kind of expected and take you know you're not taking it seriously until after it all goes wrong. You know what I mean? More of a reaction than preaction yeah like he didn't actually honor it it was just he was mad once it was taken away but he kind of like assumed it was him. Yeah he take he took it as his right he felt entitled to it and because it was he was yeah but he didn't take it seriously and he sold his birthright indicating he didn't take it seriously so it got snatched away it's like it's like taking something for granted and then you lose it because you never really took it never you were never grateful for it really in the first place. And again that doesn't absolve Jacob like Jacob is totally in the wrong yeah it's still his right to throw it away if he wants to and it will get yeah if you throw it away it's gonna get taken you don't get uh it's not it's not Jacob's um right to to decide that his his brother doesn't deserve something well what's interesting is Jacob didn't decide it it's Rebecca now that's the that's the confusing thing for me is like why it's like a why did a mother kind of thing well she clearly loved him both because she didn't want to lose both her sons in a day as it were it's weird but why did she decide to give it you know to have Jacob trick Isaac into giving him the blessing too that what was her investment in it because the tradition is that Jacob was always considered a mama's boy but I don't see that in the text or at least it hasn't hit me yet I mean is there anything I know it says that Jacob kind of stayed and dwelt around the tent like he was kind of what I see in the in the in the words of it but I mean that he was a mama's boy.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

But I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

I I I think we assume that because she uh helped him and not Esau but I kind of wonder if maybe we're wrong and maybe had more to do with maybe Esau's attitude or good night it could have been anything.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

I mean I don't know but I'm not entirely convinced like it's very plausible that he was a mama's boy that's that's what the tradition is but uh I I'm not sure that's right um hang on let's go back for a minute Trevor did you find out yeah I got the heath daughters of heath who are they really quick the daughters of Heath were women of the Hittite people descendants of Heth the second son of Canaan who was the son of Ham Noah's son so the uh the daughters of Heth were like the great great granddaughters of Noah and they were they were in the line of Ham.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

So is Ham the one that disrespected Noah I think we might have a hint of what might be the problem here um it says I I found this this is um chapter in twenty six we get this brief little illusion after this Abimelech story um and it says and Esau was forty years old when he took his wife Judith the daughter of Biri the Hittite and Bashameth the daughter of Elon the Hittite so he had it looks like he had two Esau had taken two wives now this is interesting here's an idea maybe it and I'm just speculating I don't know maybe it had nothing to do with Jacob being a mama's boy maybe she's mad at Esau because he married Hittite women yeah that might have been what it was and that might be another indication that he's not taking the birthright seriously because he's he's marrying out of the bloodline maybe that's what it goes and that would explain why this is being brought up so quickly at the end of 26 and then the Hittite thing up is brought up again at the end of 27. There's some parallelism there so maybe that's what's going on. So yeah it says in getting out of the bloodline yeah and so it says in verse 34 and Esau was 40 years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beri the Hittite and Bashemeth the daughter of Elon the Hittite so he took two Hittite women that might explain because if if the Hath if the people of Hath were Hittites then you'd have parallelism so she's saying Jacob better not take a Hittite woman yeah giants and stuff so like Esau Esau was he was with giants and you know stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

I mean maybe I don't know if the Hittites are part of the giant line or not and it was like corrupt corrupt blood you know yeah like well is it is uh yeah the Canaanites mullop Mullock worshipers and that a whole bunch so yeah I read on down to more of this the thing uh the significance the daughters of Hess serve as a symbol of the culture and spiritual challenges faced by the patriarchs marriages with Hittite women are depicted as potentially leading to compromise in faith and values right so yeah so they're worried about the you know the kids starting to worship Mullock or something stupid if they married the Hittite women.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

So that might explain why she had Jacob take the birthright take the blessing if Esau if she was mad about Esau marrying Hittite women that would explain that would explain the the yeah the parallelism in 36 and 37 and uh yeah that would be a little more clear. Thank you I appreciate that yeah I think that's I think we're onto something there. Uh okay Jess says he didn't want the toy until his brother stole it and then she later adds you don't know what you got till it's gone with music symbols.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

So there you go and still I still stand on it was nobody's right to I mean it's it's his it's his blessing to throw away if he wants to you know like that's I I don't think uh Jacob and Rebecca were in the right and I don't think the story is saying they're in the right I think we're in agreement on that like that this was a bad thing that was done.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

So but it's kind of like it's one of those difficult lessons like it's kind of like with wrath you know like God used Nebuchadnezzar as wrath against Israel for what Israel was sack you know Israel was sacrificing kids to Moloch later on and then Nebuchadnezzar came and wiped him out or took you know destroyed Israel that doesn't make what Nebuchadnezzar did right but Nebuchadnezzar but God used the circumstances of the time to bring about the wrath against of uh disobedient people like this is the sinners in a angry God concept it's like God protects us through providence but when we do stuff wrong then he kind of removes his hands and then the natural consequences of things wash over us. Does that make sense? So I think I think it's kind of like that where it's not that Jacob was in the right to do that but God was removing the protection of the birthright let's say from Esau and he let it get stolen because this unrelated thing let's say this let's say we're right about the Hittite women this unrelated thing had made Rebecca angry and so God didn't protect Esau from this conspiracy Rebecca hatched up. Does that make sense? And so it's like he just if Esau wasn't obeying God he just kind of threw his hands up. He was in line with his will and not God's will and God said okay and then let the consequences fall where they may so based I like where you took that I like where you took it to thank you um I'm I'm I'm almost done I want to make sure that I wanna I want to make sure that we're right about the um Hittite women I want to see what it says about the I'm trying to look up the Jacob verse like what he says Jacob did and then what Esau was doing. So this is 25 give me just a second here 23 and the Lord said unto her two nations are in thy womb and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels and the one people shall be stronger than the other people and the elder shall serve the younger so this is twenty five verse twenty three and when her days to be delivered were fulfilled behold there were twins in her womb and the first came out a red all over like a hairy garment and they called him they called his name Esau and after that his brother came out and his hand took hold of Esau's heel and his name was called Jacob and Isaac was three score years old when she bare them and the boy and the boys grew and eat and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field, and Jacob was a plain man dwelling in tents and Isaac loved Esau because he did not eat of his venison but Rebecca loved Jacob. Okay so this does say that Rebecca that Isaac favored Esau and Rebecca loved ja favored Jacob. So we do have that here too so that's 2528 I'm not sure if that detracts or adds to the point we were making but it does confirm that Jacob was a mama's boy. Yeah so clears some things up for sure yeah okay so maybe it's cumulative then so I don't know what do you guys think I agree yeah yeah Trevor agrees all right well I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say that it would be a cumulative deal Rebecca already liked Jacob Esau didn't take the birthright seriously that's demonstrated through the through the selling it through porridge and the marrying of the Hittite women and so Rebecca because of those two things resolves to have Jacob steal the blessing yeah that seems to be what happened irritates me but I mean I guess it is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Yeah sorry Trevor what were you gonna say sad sand says the Bible is about plot people and good things coming in spite of people's flaws.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Yeah excellent point Jess you are the smart one so all right okay all right so that concludes 27 next week we'll be moving on to 28 so let's guess we'll move on to part two so guys if you're watching the live stream stay with us we've got another 32 Three segments with. Anywhere. Don't go anywhere. That's right. We got another three segments left. If you're watching. Yes, thank you, Trevor. Make sure to like, share, subscribe. Hit that notification bell. And all those things. And read my books because I'm broke. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Ah! Maggie Stone. Buy my book. I'm poor. There we go. So, okay. Alright, guys, thanks. Oh, no, you need you're you're doing what I should be doing. The marketing and the advertising. I more we need more calls to action. So, alright. Guys, thank you so much for watching. And we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

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