Why is Social Justice important? Let's find out.

On this Episode we talk about an Opinion from Annie Sharples on the Subject of Social Justice.

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SPEAKER_00 0:09

So welcome to Faith, Fiction, and Folklore, or as we like to call it the tri-ap podcast, where we try. Not to mess the podcast up. And today, a Christian wants us all to be social justice warriors, or wants the church to embrace social justice. Whatever that means.

SPEAKER_02 0:29

I can't comment.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

You can't comment?

SPEAKER_02 0:33

I didn't study sociology.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

You're not even close to right, but that's okay. You're gonna learn today, buddy. So alright. So, opinion. Why is social justice important? And apologies to the kid. She looks way younger than me, so I'm gonna feel a little bad about ripping her apart, but I I I'm a little nervous. I don't want this getting in the church. So anyway. Alright, so Calyx says, lol. Uh let's see, opinion. Why is social justice important? Annie Sharples, who works for JPIT, or Peace and for Peace and Justice, gives her own views on the importance of Christians working for social justice. I'm let's see.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

For those of us who don't know, what is social justice?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

What is social justice? I well, everybody's gonna have a different definition. That's the whole problem with it. But I were to guess. But I think she's gonna have her own little definition for I I'm I'm curious, that's what I mean. So let's um let's see how AI defines it first, because I'm sure AI is gonna have a definition and then she's gonna have a definition. Usually the way these articles work is they redefine it to get you all confused. What is the definition of social justice? And again, this is gonna be some liberal definition, but let's see. Social justice is the fair and equitable distribution of resources, opportunities, and rights, ensuring all individuals, regardless of background, have the same ability to thrive. Well, that sounds just wonderful. Except it's equity, not equality. You know. I think we've heard all this debate had this debate before. So it's like, you know, if you're somebody who's part of an oppressed class, then you might get opportunities to go to college or get a job. That yeah, certain companies will reward minority groups basically because they've been deprived of opportunities in the past. Does that make sense, Trevor?

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah. It's been happening forever. Uh, what do they used to call it in the big buffer? Affirmative action.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

It's just rebranded, it's rebranded affirmative action. So, yeah. So let's see what she says about this. So, anyway, merit doesn't exist. There is no merit, only oppression. That's the bottom line. Uh, so Christians have been engaged in social justice, and of course, the way she uses it here automatically makes me think she's gonna redefine it. Probably for as long as Christianity has existed. Christians follow the teaching and example of Jesus, and so much of Jesus' life was about seeking justice. When thinking about justice, the justice we got yeah, he was about seeking justice. Okay, social justice. So much of Jesus' life was about seeking justice. So, yeah, there you got that quote there. When thinking about justice, the justice system might come to mind. The idea of something being fair and equal, or perhaps a famous campaign or campaigner. All of these things do relate to justice and are important. But to reach true justice and the justice that Jesus worked for throughout his whole life, these ideas have to go further. So, as Christians, we believe that God knows each of us by name and loves us regardless. So, we're gonna use love to justify this crap. So, we believe that every human being is made in the image of God and should be able to flourish and live in safety, freedom, and peace. For this to be true, we not only need to strive for justice in legal courts, but throughout our whole society. You can already smell it. It's like, yes, you have to get out of the way for justice. So, anyway, I just love reading these commie things, they just make me laugh. So, the Methodist Church offers six principles for justice in the 2023 Justice Seeking Church Report. Hey guys, there's a Justice Seeking Church Report. Did you know that? The Methodists are on it. I'm almost I'm almost curious to see what this is. Oh, okay. We'll stay focused though.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

This kind of stuff infuriates me. I can't even I can't even look at it.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

It reminds me of Joe. Remember we had that thing with Joe? It's like, what does cautiously optimistic mean? You know, it's the same kind of thing. It's like, what do you mean by justice? I don't think you mean just at all. So anyway, the six principles are very helpful when considering the Christian faith and justice, because they're exclusive. God made humans in the image of God, each worthy of equal value and dignity. Alright, so we should we're all equal and we should go by merit, right? Nope, but anyway, okay. God desires the flourishing of creation and human community within it.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Which only works with his order in place. Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Yeah. God consistently shows a bias to people experiencing poverty and those who are excluded. No, that's not true at all. That's not even closer. Abraham was rich, Solomon was rich, David was rich, God used money to bless people. It's a thing that happened. Like, you weren't bad. Like, the whole point of the gospel is that, like, if you're poor, that doesn't mean you're bad. Like, God might bless you with wealth. He's not necessarily going to, he doesn't have to. It's not like it's not like wealth is somehow a better blessing than like a good family or something, but it's one of the ways he might bless you. But he was never hostile to rich people. You know. So no, that you're already wrong there, Methodists, or whoever you are. So God entrusts those in power with a special responsibility for upholding justice. Nah.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

I wish I had a I need a soundboard.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Yeah, uh-uh, wrong. Alright, so responsibility for holding justice. All right, God calls all people and nations actively to work for peace and justice, liberation and transformation. You know what peace means?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Keeping to your damn self. That's what peace means.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

You gotta balance the scales, Cody.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

You can't go around trying to fix everybody else's problems, take on their karma, and make more bad decisions. It's ridiculous. You just work on yourself, okay, people. Yeah, just work on yourself.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Peace cannot possibly mean work on yourself, Cody. Shush, shush with that heresy. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 8:10

It's real simple.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Didn't he say peace be still? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

No, peace be still and give your job to the black man. Anyway, so sorry. Alright, anyway, sorry. Um, God entrusts those of power. Yeah, no, God calls all people and nations actively to work for peace and justice, liberation and transformation. I don't trust any of these terms she's using. She I instantly think you mean something else. Anyway, God calls us to live in hope and in ways that reflect God's character and the pattern of God's kingdom. God calls us to live in hope in and in ways that reflect God's character and the pattern of God's kingdom. I don't even know what that means. I mean that sounds good, but that sounds just ambiguous enough to be useless. Kind of just sounds like be a good person. Anyway, for many Christians, these six principles are the foundation to their justice seeking as well as their faith. The emphasis, they emphasize God's unending love, regardless of circumstance and desire for justice, lived out in Jesus. Jesus' manifesto. Jesus didn't simply treat people fairly or equally. He intentionally treated people with equity. There it is. There it is. He treated them with equity. So he was super nice to you if you had a hard time.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

This is horrible. Gary, I don't know if I can do it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Persist. Persist. You have to suffer. You have to show your chagrin for the people. This is for the people. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

She said Jesus had equity.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Yeah, no, he treated other people with equity. Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

He was super he was super nice to the prostitutes because they had a harder time of it in life. You know, they were oppressed because of their daddy issues or something. So that's why he was super nice to them. You know, forget, you know, mercy and the forgiveness of sin and hope of forgiveness of sin through God. No. He was just nice to them because you know they had a hard time of it. So and he was mad at the Pharisees, not because they were hypocrites. He was mad at the Pharisees because they were rich. How dare they? I I just say, I'm just I find it amazing. This is a Christian website. I'm like, we're seriously having this conversation on a Christian basis.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

This is intense.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

This is like, is this is this mainstream like yes, this is Christianity.org for the UK. So this is like mainstream Christianity, like in Britain or whatever. So this is like this is commies trying to get into the church if they're not in there already. That's why I thought it was so interesting. This is communism trying to infect the church. Well, I know the Methodists are about gone, but don't be calm. I just that's why I wanted to read it. I'm like, they're starting to because I've never wild. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen them because I've seen this crap on like your PBS lowest common den lowest common denominator publicity hour. You know what I mean? It's like television for stupid people. I've seen this crap there, but I'm I haven't actually seen this kind of article on a Christian website before.

SPEAKER_01 11:55

It's like these people don't actually read the book. No, they don't. They have no idea. Like Jesus treated everybody exactly the same all the time. He was like, like he even told his own apostles, like, how much how long must I stay with you people? You guys are idiots. Like he said that to his bros. Like, yeah, yeah. He was the he talked to them like he talked to the Pharisees, like he talked to the homeless guy, like he talked to the guy with no legs, like he talked to anybody.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Yeah, he wasn't always nice. He was nice sometimes and mean and others depending on.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Yeah. Like his father.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah. And he was kind or mean based on his principles, not because of people's circumstances.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Yes. But when they needed to be corrected, he corrected them.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

This is like when he went went to the pool of uh was that pool he went to where everybody was getting healed.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Well, the pool of Besida or something like that. Yeah, something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

No, but he didn't just help one one person out of how many people were there, it was that he picked one to heal.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Well see, Jeremy. He picked that one because he was, you know, a minority in Israel. You know, he had he had a he had a harder time than everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Gary, I'm gonna punch you through this phone right now.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Did that one have equity?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

I don't know. I just know. I just know he was oppressed, he was an oppressed class, and he needed he needed a leg up.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

The money you make on your house has nothing to do with equality.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

But it might get you healed by Jesus. I can't stand these freaking people, man. Oh my gosh. Okay, so let's see, we're gonna define equity now. This means that he took individual circumstances, situations, and wider context into account when interacting with people. When Jesus went to the synagogue in Nazareth, he chose to read these words from Isaiah. The Spirit of God is upon me because God has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. God has sent me to proclaim, release to the captives, to proclaim, release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free and come and proclaim the year of God's favor. Yeah, he's talking about fulfilling the Messianic vow. What does that have to do with your equity crap?

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Why does it say choose the words of Isaiah, but that's that's in Luke.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Well, he's quoting he's quoting Isaiah in that passage.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Oh, I see. Okay, I'm sorry. I got confused.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

No, he's announcing this is one of the moments where he announces himself as the Messiah because he quotes those messianic prophecies in the synagogue. So that's what she's referring to. But no, she's wanting to tell you that it means that, you know, because see, look here, see, because he's bringing good news to the poor, he's treating people differently because they're individual circumstances. You see that equivocation there?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

See, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

So it's like he's bringing good news to the poor, therefore, he's going to treat the poor differently than the rich because they're individual circumstances, you know, for equity.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

No. No. She's just like misframing everything. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Yeah, this is a messianic prophecy. It is this is he's calling to Isaiah to tell people I'm the Messiah. This has nothing to do with like some stance regarding, you know, how they're supposed to treat the poor versus the rich or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

Crazy dude.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Well, maybe maybe it's just the poor actually more willing to listen to him than people that have everything.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, maybe they were more humble because you know, life had given them a harder time. Maybe he's you don't know. Yeah, well, it's certainly his behavior towards the poor does not mean that you need to deny people opportunities because other people had them before them or whatever. But anyway, so this is something called Jesus' manifesto. I guarantee you the only people that call it his manifesto are communists. I promise you, it's just communists that say that. Or mission statement. That sounds very corporate, but anyway, because this message is a main theme for the rest of his life, it is about showing the love of God to the poor. It's about him being the Messiah. Anyway, it's about showing the love of God to the poor, poor and outcast in many ways, not just those lacking money. It's a messianic prop. Oh my gosh. Okay. Now, see, now Cody, I'm getting mad, but anyway. Healing and freedom. He didn't simply promise good news to everyone, he specifically promised good news to the poor. That is not true. Yeah, right? For God so loved the world. You remember that John 3.16, you know, like the most quoted Bible verse ever.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Oh my golly.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

So he she yeah, he was his his good his mission was just for the poor. Obviously.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

What a blessing of the poor and down drugs.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Hey, lady, you do realize that the only reason he had a tomb was because a rich guy gave him a tomb.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

You Joseph of Arimathea, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Uh yeah, I think that was right. Joseph of Arimathea. Yeah. Rich people, he had poor and rich friends alike. Hey, you also want to know somebody else he healed? The centurion, you know, the oppressor, the epitome of the oppressor, the leader of the oppressors, he healed that guy's servant. Because the dude asked him to for free. He could have said, you know, since you're rich. Five bucks. Five bucks. I wouldn't ask, I wouldn't ask anybody else that, but you know, you're an oppressor, so 20 bucks, little man. 20 bucks. It's like, hey, hey, hey, no freebies for the rich guys.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

So I gotta pay my bond later, dude.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Oh my gosh. Anyway. So, um, all right, let's see. Let's see. He didn't simply promise good news to everyone. Yes, he did. You okay, all right. Musfaba. Uh, he specifically promised good news to the poor, those who are blighted by okay, all right. Show me this. Blighted by injustice. Where's that, Nizaiah? So, no, so we've already broadened it. So it's like no longer just good news to the poor specifically. They are now blighted by injustice and unable to live as God intends for us to live. So hang on a minute. Blighted by injustice and unable to live as God intends for us to live. Okay, you do realize that God sometimes asks us to be eaten by lions. Right? Like, you know, I think I think we're supposed to live for God no matter what happens to us.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Man, the I'm I'm gonna be real honest here. The closer I get to God, that uh like the harder my life gets. So yeah, I this is like hot garbage. This is hot garbage. I hate this.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Right. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I love that. So, you know, blah what does that mean? Blighted by injustice.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

It's it's a victim term. It's a victim, it's uh it's like uh victim rhetoric. I'm gonna call it that.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Yeah. Any ever anybody and everybody could be blighted by injustice if you just use your imagination.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

So imagination.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Imagination. You know, my wife was late making me dinner. I was blighted by injustice.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

You were.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

It's just horrible. It's horrible. I can't believe that happened.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

You know, back in the back in the 50s, you could slap them around for that.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Now it's illegal. See, I'm oppressed. I'm oppressed. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

As long as the stick was longer than it's right.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

I'm just kidding. I would never advocate for that.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Uh, too late, you're canceled. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

So red room, red room.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Let's see. Jesus ate, walked, sat, and lived alongside marginalized people. Truly listening and understanding the context in which they lived. They were marginalized. Oh, yeah, that Mary Magdalene, she was marginalized.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

She just yeah, she just reframes everything with a victim mentality. I can't, I can't.

unknown 21:33

I know.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

I can't stand this. It hurts. Why do we keep reading this?

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Because this is the church. They're making a play for the church, and we have to mock them.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

This is like watching horror movies. That's why I don't do it. The I I haven't watched a horror movie in like 15 years.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

I yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

That's horrific.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

That's horrific.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

It was reviewed, Raven. It was Silent Hill. That's the last horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Well, we gotta we gotta we gotta wade through the crap here. We're not gonna go through the whole thing because it's taking us way too long, but we are going to persist a little bit longer. So one more paragraph. We'll do one more paragraph. All right. All right, let's see here.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

The phrase that's how they get you. Just do one more. Just do one more. Just one more. We'll be here all night.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Uh my battery is dying on my headphone.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Okay, well, try to get it plugged in, and uh, I guess we'll do I just I'm just on my regular phone speaker.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah, I'll I'll mute for a second and see if see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah, alright. Alright, the phrase nothing about us without us. What the heck? What is that first communist 1312 or something? I don't know. Alright, was first used by South African disability rights activists in the 1980s. Through though originally used in the context of ableism and disability justice. There's a disability justice? What? Well, okay. It can be applied right across all marginalized groups and individuals. You know, I'm pretty sure that somebody in a wheelchair is gonna look at a black man who can jump and be like, I I don't think we're in equal marginalized groups at all. So who's more marginalized? The guy that can jump or the guy in the wheelchair?

SPEAKER_01 23:38

That's a silly question. I I don't even understand the question because I don't I don't I don't really understand the meaning of the wheel.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

She's sitting here going, okay, so we've got ableism and disability. So she's using a stupid term here that's basically for disability rights. So, you know, somebody who is disabled would be somebody who's in a wheelchair, right? And she's saying this phrase can be applied to our all marginalized groups. And I'm like, no, not being able to walk makes you severely more marginalized than your skin color. That's my point. So I'm pretty sure that the guy who can't walk would be a little resentful about you know his phrase for his group being used by another group. Does that make sense? That's my point.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah. I I don't know, dude. I just why would you why would you identify with the group? Just don't do that and you're fine.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I I know, but that would be normal.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

I see that'd be rational thinking.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I don't think that is normal.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Well, it's the right thing to do. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

I think it's normal to be to be part of a group.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

I think it's just I think you should consider yourself an individual. I think you should just worry about the relationship between you and the Almighty, and don't ask questions about your group. I'm Scottish, but I hate golf. I will never like golf. So there you go. You'll never see me in a kilt. So there you go. Uh Caleb says, Can you repeat it, Trevor? I don't know what he said. Maybe when he gets his microphone back on. LOL. Anyway, so how many times do politicians make sweeping and generalized statements or about uh about or change policies affecting marginalized groups without consulting individuals with lived experience of the issue? What does that happen to be able to do that?

SPEAKER_01 25:38

I mean, that's a that's a good point. That's a good point. But I don't think they should even be voting on those issues.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

So they might weaponize them, who know? All right. Let's see. We need our leaders and all people to really get. Oh my goodness, we lost Trevor. Oh, he's back. Okay. Hey, you're back.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

My computer's been running, so I switched back to this.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Sweet, sweet. It's good to see you. Calix wanted you to repeat something. I don't know what he was referring to.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Pete and repeat sounded a wall. Pete fell off who's left.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Ah, there you go. This RSO got me. Alright. Okay, we've got we got we gotta get through this last paragraph, guys. Just one more. Uno Moss. Okay, we need our leaders and all people to really get alongside uh marginalized groups and people to understand the context and the situation rather than a personal and detached statistics. Jesus is a prime example of someone who did this, and it is crucial in achieving equity.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

I like equity.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Not equality though. Okay, so there you go. Uh that's that. Okay, so Caleb says, I meant to say you. Rick Simpson oil. I'm lost.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Who's Rick Simpson? I like Rick Simpson.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Why does he have oil?

SPEAKER_01 27:16

I'm conf I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

It doesn't matter. Okay, moral of the story: communists are bad. And they're getting into the church.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

What are we supposed to be talking about? Social justice?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yeah. News flash. It's communism. It's just communism. It's always communism.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Wouldn't that be socialism? Nope.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Because it's social.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

That's another word for communism. It's all communism.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

I like candy. That's all I know.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

There you go. There you go. Alright. I think we're done. Listen, uh, whatever your name is, uh, Anna Sharples. You need to read your Bible some more, kiddo. Alright, that's all we got for this segment. If you're on the any final thoughts, everybody?

SPEAKER_02 28:04

What if she has a different version of the Bible?

SPEAKER_00 28:10

You mean the Communist Manifesto?

SPEAKER_02 28:13

I don't know. I don't know what Bible she's.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Is that like the the third New Testament or something?

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Sounds like she got the DSM3 as a Bible.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Yeah, there we go. This is this is Karl Marx. This is Marks one and two, first Marx, second marks.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Well, I mean, if you look on on uh Bible Gateway, they have many, many, many, many different different types of versions. Yeah. I'm just curious which one is.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

If you're gonna if you're gonna write an article like that, you better have a really good grasp on what the hell you're talking about. And she does not.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Yeah, you need to study some more. But anyway, uh Calyx is telling Cody to look it up, so he goes, look it up, Cody, and then what if she has ADHD? Huh?

SPEAKER_01 29:05

I can't. I mean, I I might be able to. My screen might get messed up too.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Well, anyway, mess it up. She might have ADHD. I don't know. I'm just saying you need uh you need to read your Bible a little closer. Go go look at them old prophets. Yeah, that'll that'll bring the idealism down a little bit. But anyway, so alright. I think that's all we got, guys. Any final thoughts on this uh poor deceived creature?

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Good luck, you're not gonna. Oh, yeah, I've heard of that. It's supposedly a uh cancer cure.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Rick Simpson oil? Yeah, okay, got it, got it. Alright, well, kids, communism is bad if it comes to your church, run. That's not what Jesus would do at all. And by the way, um there is this commandment called using the Lord's name in vain. It's not saying G D, it's doing what you just did, which is to take the name of Christ and the name of God and shoehorn a bunch of reactionary political commentary and use God while using God as your defense. So might not want to do that again. That's my opinion. So, anyway, all right, that's all we got, guys. Any final thoughts from you all? Nope. Nope. Alright. If you are watching this after the fact, thank you so much for watching, and we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Later.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

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