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Icing on a Fraudulent Cake: What Really Happened at Patisserie Valerie?
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Grab a brew and a custard slice, because this one is proof that sometimes the prettiest shop window hides the messiest books. ☕🍰
Dani and Si dig into the very British scandal behind Patisserie Valerie, the high street favourite that looked like the perfect success story right up until a £40 million black hole appeared in the accounts.
We start with the nostalgia. Strawberry tarts, fancy coffees, little French café vibes and queues out the door. On the surface, the business looked polished, profitable, and booming. Behind the scenes, fictional finances and serious questions about oversight were quietly building for years.
We unpack how the company grew from a single Soho patisserie into a national chain backed by entrepreneur Luke Johnson, and how everything unravelled almost overnight after a routine bank check uncovered a winding up petition no one seemed to know about. We get into the alleged role of a small group inside the finance team, why prestigious auditors Grant Thornton missed warning signs for so long, and the millions Luke Johnson poured in trying to stop the collapse.
Along the way, we talk about the human fallout too. Store closures, lost jobs, wiped out investments, and a legal case that still hasn’t reached trial despite the scandal breaking back in 2018. Because apparently corporate justice moves slower than the queue for brunch on a Sunday morning.
And somehow, despite all of it, Patisserie Valerie still survives in a handful of locations. Cakes and all.
A conversation about growth, greed, blind spots, and why sometimes the numbers behind the counter matter a lot more than the pastries in the window.
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Simon and Danielle are both business owners, based in the East Midlands, who met through mutual business contacts and who share a love of all things business.
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Since they first met Simon and Danielle have spent a ridiculous amount of time talking about the subjects that interest them – usually over a drink in the pub – and they decided that now was the time to bring these conversations to a wider audience and invite them to join the chat.
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you didn't do a 321 right. Okay, today's subject, you know. You know, I like a bit of French. Yeah, you know, I love a pastry. Yeah, right. Saturday morning, wander around town. You're on the high street. Walk past a patisserie valery window. Yeah, and what do you see?
You see a strawberry tarp, because I absolutely love a tarp from boss. No phases, strawberry fram bars is raspberry, but anyways
is
friends of strawberry fram bars is raspberry,
correct.
20 minute podcast in the French for strawberry, anyway, that's what I'm seeing, because I really enjoy the custard thing in there.
Oh, custard slices, yes, okay, yeah, they used to, well, it felt like they were everywhere, windows full of gorgeous cakes, and that it was enough to draw you in,
little like the pretty papery things there, the little brown gold ones, yeah,
yeah,
pastry, yeah, don't love the French quite the same way you do, but you know, I love a good pastry,
so coffee as well, lovely coffee and pastry is lovely. Anyway, it looks like a thriving, profitable, beautifully run business business, but with a French twist,
because we all love a little bit of
French twist.
The foreign..
what you don't know,
okay?
What nobody knows is that somewhere in the back office the accounts are a complete and total work of fiction. There's a 40 million pound black hole in the finances, and the whole thing's about to come spectacularly apart.
That's not a small hole, that's not someone put fiber on a credit card.
Nope, no one had any idea, and that's the whole point here,
I honestly thought their marketplace had just dried up.
I say nobody apart from a coterie.
What
coterie? Great, great word, a lovely French word for a small, exclusive group of people with shared interests, tastes, or backgrounds, often forming a close-knit, clique-like circle,
c o t e r i e,
correct.
Yes,
yeah,
seen it written down, never said it out loud before.
Yes, so that's what makes coterie, that's what makes it one of the most extraordinary corporate frauds in recent British history, because that's what it was. And I'll take you through it. It started in 19 2600 years ago.
Congratulations, that was amazing.
A single patisserie in Old Compton Street, Soho, run by a Belgian woman called Madame Valerie.
So it did start with actual real European roots.
Yeah, yeah, became a Soho institution, and by the early 2000s it had grown a bit. It was still small, maybe only eight shops. Yeah, mainly London. Then, in 22,006 it was bought by Luke Johnson.
Do we know him
well? Actually, he was then, and is still a serial entrepreneur. He's the man who turned Pizza Express from a small chain into a national institution, taking its share price from 40 p to over 900 p. He's also involved in Revolution Bars, Belgo, chairman of Channel Four, the Royal Society of Arts, Majestic Bingo.
Wow, that man doesn't sleep.
Dogs swimwear, a whole lot of, yeah, it is. He's an entrepreneurial, entrepreneurial genius, really. I mean, you can't, you can't really
say in the middle of a story where something's failed by 40 million sales.
Yep, yep, but you remember me? I mentioned coterie,
you did mention,
okay? So he was hugely respected in the restaurant retail world. Actually, I think he still is. He's sharp, experienced, well connected, and he spotted Patisserie Valerie as an underexploited brand with real heritage, high margin products, a unique offering, nothing else quite like it on the house high street. So he bought it, backed it, grew it fast, and by the mid 2000s In 10s, there were 140 branches across the country. I think that is round, it might be just under or just over. I had a loyal following and successful stock market. Market float in 2014 shares went out 170 p and nearly doubled. Investors were happy, everything looked rosy.
Well, yes,
yeah,
I will say that's a very aggressive growth, very aggressive,
but at that time there were lots of available units in towns, and you know, just being able to pop the formula into each one of those places. I mean, yes, it's aggressive. It would have cost an awful lot of money to do that, because every one of them had to set, be set up just so.
Yeah,
complete supply chain to back it up, but he was used to that, he knew what he was doing in that regard. Yeah, and then 10th of October, 2018 that's date everything changed. The company's bankers, HSBC, were in the process of routine checks when they discovered something deeply alarming. Company appeared to have a winding up petition against it. That's not a small company, not a struggling company. Participatory Valerie, with 140 shops, paying dividends consistently reporting profits. A winding up petition.
Right, let me just be clear. A winding up petition is where someone else says you're not paying me my money, therefore I need you to close your business so you can't pay for money.
Yeah, when auditors went into
law, they
found a 40 million pound hole in the accounts. The finance director, a man called Chris Marsh, was suspended and arrested, and the Serious Fraud Office opened a criminal investigation. That's another shock, really. It'd
be another shock if Chris Marsh was the only person that
knew that's quite so. How does that even happen?
I don't know. I mean, like, I've like spent 1000 pounds on my credit card, but not 40 million.
Yes, how do you hide that much money? Sorry, how do you hide not that much money?
How do you hide the absence? It
is extraordinary as a concept. It appears the fraud involved the manipulation of bank accounts, inflating cash balances that simply didn't exist, creating false, false accounting entries, maintaining the illusion of a healthy, profitable business. When, in reality, it was teetering on the edge of insolvency, and crucially, this had been going on since at least 2015 so it was only a year after it kind of went ballistic.
Yeah,
which means it was running before, during, and after the company stock market float, so people were buying shares in a company whose accounts were fiction, effectively. Also, I'm reading into it, and the or the auditors didn't catch it, okay, which is kind of a little bit bonkers.
Well, they
given too many pastries, and they went into a pastry coma, and they couldn't audit properly. That's how
they paid in pastries. The auditors were Grant Thornton, one of the UK's top six accounting firms. Luke Johnson had specifically chosen a prestigious firm because it would give confidence to investors, which is absolutely right.
Well, yeah, that's exactly the way you did.
They signed off the accounts every year. They raised no material concerns for at least three years, possibly longer. They failed to detect for 40 million pound fraud, hiding in plain sight in the company's bank account.
It's like someone went, 'just sign this, and they went, 'yeah, all right, without even looking at
it. Grant Thornton was subsequently investigated by the Financial Reporting Council, Luke Johnson himself later described it as astonishing that such an eminent firm could have pulled the wall so comprehensively over its eyes, and he tried heroically to save it, but he'd been betrayed. He raised 15 million from shareholders in a matter of days, lent the business 10 million of his own money, interest free, put in another 3 million to keep the staff paid while the business was being transferred. Lost an estimated two thirds of his wealth. How accurate that is, trying to save it, but the problems and the betrayal were too deep. And 2019 participatory holdings crashed into administration. 70 shops closed. Staff lost jobs. Investors who'd seen the share price suspended since October were wiped out. A business that had appeared healthy and growing simply ceased to exist quite suddenly, with no warning that anyone outside the finance department had been given.
So, to be clear, none of this was Luke's fault.
No, absolutely not. No,
all of the detail was hidden from him.
Well, that's what I understand. The last, the last sentence, just there with no warning that anyone outside the finance department had been given. Right? Yeah.
Oh, is this your coterie? A coterie of
coterie? Yes. Chris Marsh, the finance director, was arrested and charged with fraud. I think that was 2023 so quite a way after.
Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff you have to go through to work out who's to blame here.
Yeah, arrested and charged with fraud and false accounting. He wasn't alone. There were three co-defendants also facing charges. His wife. Who is an accountant, Louise Financial Controller, Pratest Mistry, and financial consultant Nilas Kumar Lad, and four people in total, all facing the music for what went on inside that back office.
We've got another job.
What were the motivations? Yeah, and this is where the story takes on another frustration, frustrating dimension entirely. The case has wound its way through the legal system at such a pace that would make a glacier look impatient. Yeah, I'm pleased with that one. The trial was scheduled and delayed until last month, so march 26 rescheduled again, delayed again, and as we record this right now, it's currently listed for January 2028
2028 Yes,
so now
that's quite the delay.
Nearly a decade after the company collapsed,
that's
really bad.
Nearly a decade after 1000s of people lost their jobs, and investors were wiped out overnight.
So, what are those people in a holding cell until the trial, or does it not
work like that? I don't, I don't know. I mean, when someone's charged, it doesn't mean say that they're guilty, exactly, exactly. So, so they're probably having, you know, lives
at a pastry on a Saturday morning, but not in participatory Valerie.
Yeah, so yeah, 10 years on, four people waiting for trial. It raises a question that sits alongside the original fraud, which is, if the justice system takes the best part of a decade to bring a case like this to trial, what does it say about accountability in British corporate life? When the original company collapsed, 1000s lost their jobs, investors took their losses, and yet somehow remarkably patisserie Valerie itself lives on. Does it? Yes, it does. Which I, I was so pleased to hear that, because I hadn't realized that the brand was acquired out of administration, out of administration, and branches are still trading today, and according to the website, you put in a search for how many particiary Valerie branches are, and they range from literally six to 12 or something, but I've been on the website, and there's eight branches, seven are scattered across England and one in Scotland, so you can still walk past the window full of pastries, just
might have to go a little bit further to get there.
Yep, still smell the coffee and still stuff yourself on delicious
road trip podcasts where we go around sampling eight patisserie galleries around the country.
Okay, Dawn, so the four people connected to the fraud, that's so it's, it's still going, but there's a, there's a little, there's a little kind of, it's maybe slightly ironic, the four people connected to the fraud that destroyed the original business await their day in court, slightly poetic, poetic, it's kind of come out the other side, all right, it's under different owners and whatnot, but it's still
brands still exists, which I quite like, and I feel better for the nice Belgian lady at the beginning who set up in the first place. What I don't get is why the 40 million, why they weren't embezzling it. This isn't embezzlement,
is it? Well, well, that's the whole thing. Apparently, there are 3 million documents associated with this case
on a yacht or something.
Some serious stuff gonna have to go on here for the court, because
I get it. If you make a mistake or anything like, oh God, I've made a mistake, I'm gonna have to just like cover that up slightly, and then you bring your colleagues in. But this is not, this is not one mistake, this is consistent, fraudulent activity.
Well, well, for a fairly short space of time, though, between 2004 to 2014 2018 so you know,
10 million pounds a year.
Yeah, but
if you split it equally,
I don't think anyone knows when, when the hole appeared, and how it appeared, and what were the motivations. So it could have been,
we'll need to come back in 2028
people saving their own jobs.
Ask AI to read all the documents for us, because I'm not reading all of them.
Yeah,
and AI by that point will be sentient, so
it'll be
fine. But final, final word,
yeah, I'm ready. The
cakes have outlasted the scandal,
and the coffee,
it's all about the cakes, not the coffee.
I really want a cake now.
Yeah, I would love to see the one in Nottingham open again, because I love going there.
That's obviously not one of the locations.
No, it's not. Sadly,
I'll make your quest. I'll get you
one. The nearest one's
York. Yeah,
Patisser Valerie, and have a cake in York,
good old patisserie Valerie,
even dry
surviving, coming out the other side.
Okay, yay for the cakes.
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