Bart Sibrel Speaks on Artemis 2 Controversy Piers Morgan Buzz Aldrinand & Professor Dave

In this episode of Prove To Me That You're Alive Podcast, host NazareN sits down with filmmaker and author Bart Sibrel to discuss one of the most debated topics in modern history—the Moon landing and the renewed global focus on space exploration following Artemis 2.

Bart Sibrel, known for his long-standing skepticism of the Apollo missions, shares his perspective on the Moon landing debate, his media appearances, and the growing conversation surrounding NASA’s current missions. He has appeared on major platforms alongside figures such as Joe Rogan, Candace Owens, Danny Jones, and most recently on Piers Morgan.

The discussion also touches on critiques and responses from science communicators like Professor Dave Farina, who has produced detailed analyses addressing Sibrel’s claims.

Topics explored include:

•  The Moon landing debate and its history 
•  Artemis 2 and the future of space exploration 
•  Media coverage and public perception 
•  Skepticism vs scientific consensus 
•  The role of independent voices in controversial discussions 

This episode presents a range of perspectives and encourages listeners to explore the topic critically and thoughtfully.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Bum bum bum, we're recording. How is everyone tonight or this morning or wherever you are in the world? This is the one they only prove to me that you're a live podcast, the most shadow banned channel in the world. And if you deny that, go check it for yourself, ladies and gentlemen. I am your host, Nazarene, and today we have a guest that's not a guest at all. He's a family member, he's a good friend. We are super proud of this young man right here. And uh, just in order to introduce him, obviously, we want to hear him speak, but in order to introduce him, I wanted to say this that with Artemis 2 taking place, um, this young man right here has been on everybody's ton. Everyone in their mamas that's not lazy has been talking about this guy. Um, and uh the only one thing that comes into my mind whenever I hear people like a Professor Dave, I don't want to shout anybody out, or a Pierce Morgan, or anyone trying to say anything about this guy. Um, one thing that comes into my mind is uh that uh all of you people don't really understand that this is much bigger than the moon mission. That's what everyone is failing to realize. Um that what this young gentleman that I'm about to introduce actually did is open everyone's eyes to the possibility, surprise, surprise, that the government might be lying to all of you. And whenever I see a Professor Dave or a Pierce Morgan, all of you guys, I'm really sorry, I don't know you personally, but all of you guys are reminding me of a what we call in American subculture, a coon, right? And a coon is one of these slaves that kind of sucks up to the master and he's running up to the master, like, hey, master, master, uh, you know, we got we got this slave over here trying to escape, master. Would you pat me on my back, master? And that's exactly what all of you bootlickers are doing because you are bootlicking the same government that's been lying to you on just uh just varieties of different uh things. It's not only about the moon landing, it's not only about the Vietnam War. Take the Ukraine war, me being from Ukraine, everything that you have been lied to about in the Ukraine war, and now the same thing is happening in Iran. I could go on forever. So, the very the big point is that all of you have missed the point of what this young gentleman has been doing for all of you and for all of us. But again, I want to shut up, I want to let him speak without further ado. He's a uh filmmaker, um, he's a just a wonderful guy. He has been on the biggest shows in the world right now, but he has found the time, he's always kind enough to come and talk to us. So, without further ado, the one, the only Bart Sebril. Bart, how are you, man?

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Pretty good. How about yourself, Dancer?

SPEAKER_01 2:50

I'm good, good. Thank you so much, man. Thank you for doing this. I can never stop thanking you because I know you're a busy guy, and I was so proud of you proud of you to see you on Piers Morgan. But yet again, what I'm seeing uh is uh, you know, uh people like Piers do they invite you, but yet whenever you're trying to present something, they don't really let you get your point across, they don't let you talk. And so I I really wanted you to come in and kind of clear the air on some of these things. Um, so obviously, the biggest thing that's been on everyone's lips, everyone is running their mouth on is obviously Artemis 2. And this is why the name, the infamous now name Bart Sabril, is resurfacing on the internet, and I'm very glad that it's resurfacing on the internet because more and more people are going to have a way to find you. Um, so right off the bat, because you have done uh some you know videos and and uh quite you know short films on this subject, Artemis II, everyone is wondering, all of your fans, me included, are wondering what happened with Artemis II? Did they actually go you know to the moon, around the moon? Did they do spending you know over four or five billion dollars, whatever it was? Was this mission real? Did they get past the Van Allen belt? Were they you know around the moon? And uh, was this real? What do you have to say about Artemis II right off the bat? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

Well, there's a lot there. Uh I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I know that may sound naive. Uh, I postponed saying the moon landings were fake, you know, the original claim from 1969. I postponed calling those fake for as long as possible. But we found footage of them faking part of the mission right in front of your eyes, an unedited reel that says don't show to the public. We have an eyewitness who saw them fake it at Canon Air Force Base, even confessed to murdering a coworker to cover it up. We have, of course, the famous picture of shadows intersecting at 90 degrees on what they claim is the moon, where if it were actually sunlit, the shadows would run parallel. And we have the logic that you cannot have greater technology in the past and in the future. Let's just assume that Artemis is real, okay? The real issue is whether the moon landings were real. Let's start with that first, because that involved $250 billion to launch this crew on the very first crewed flight already cost $100 billion, 40% of what Apollo cost, and all they did was allegedly loop around the moon. So after putting one person in space in 1961, and they only put them in space, I think from the uh east coast to the west coast, and that was it. Not even an orbit. I think their their title uh entire flight time was 15 minutes. So after putting someone in space, the very first person in space for 15 minutes, the United States first person, 20 days later, Kennedy said, we're gonna set an eight-year goal to go a thousand times farther than the space station, to burn and orbit the moon at 3,000 miles per hour, then to send a separate rocket off to land vertically, which had never been done. In fact, Elon Musk had five decades of better technology that had 10 million times the computing power. And the first, second, and third, fourth time he tried to land a rocket vertically, it blew up. But for some reason, they could do it six times in a row with one millionth, or one ten millionth of computing power back in the 60s. In any case, then walk around, drive cars, play golf, launch backup from zero miles per hour, perfectly synchronized with 3,000 miles per hour, even though you only have one millionth to computing power of a cell phone, fire another rocket, come back, land, and do all of that. So, and then fast forward with 60 years of better technology. They are eight years behind schedule just to look out the window at the moon passing by, right? So even if Artemis is real, it proves the Apollo fraud. Because you can't have an eight-year goal to walk on the moon after only putting one person in space and be ahead of schedule with six decades older technology, then when you have 60 years better technology, you're eight years behind schedule just to look out the window of the moon passing by. So Artemis, even if it's successful, proves the Apollo fraud because you can't have greater technology and ability in 1969 than today. Never happened in the history of the world. It's never happened that greater technology existed in the past than in the present. It's never happened where a breakthrough, like splitting the atom, flying across the Atlantic, um, breaking the sound barrier that no one could repeat 50 years later. It's coming up on 60 years since they first claimed they landed on the moon on the first attempt, landed a rocket vertically, first time they tried. Like I said, Elon Musk blew up the first four rockets trying to do it himself with much better technology. Now, so Artemis' success, if true, proves the Apollo fraud. That's what people need to see. Now, did they actually orbit the moon? I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I mean, maybe they're really trying. We have multiple clips at Sabral.com of them saying this will be the first time you know they leave Earth orbit or eventually we'll be able to leave Earth orbit. Incidentally, accidentally, meaning the first moon landings never happened. However, uh, on my website, someone sent me a clip, you know, the famous Earthrise picture from Artemis that's been you know regurgitated everywhere in the media. And the AI program that they subscribe to said there's a 95% certainty that it's a fake picture. And then you have uh, you know, an hour of them in the crew doing who knows what, talking about who knows what for a whole hour of video. But there's not a single motion video of going past the crew to the window and seeing the moon really close, slowly going by. There's not a single video clip of that for $100 billion. That would prove that the moon is really close out the window, and yet there's zero proof of that. The Apollo program faked orbiting the moon nine times. Okay, they've yet to tell the truth about that. This is the same organization. They have to leave Earth orbit with people. They have to. They're under pressure. If they don't leave orbit with people, it means the original moon landings were fake. 100% certain. If they can't leave Earth orbit, that means the moon missions are fake. So they have to leave Earth orbit, either really do it or fake it. Now they have their own engineers saying that there's a deadly radiation field they would have to go through. And, you know, people are asking AI about it, and it's totally contradicting what they're doing now. And so, in response to this radiation problem, which needs you know really thick lead to protect you from, which is too heavy to lift off the ground, NASA says they've solved that radiation problem by putting the astronauts' clothing and food between the walls of the spacecraft and them as some sort of shield. Now, my dentist uh X-ray is one fifty thousandths or five thousandths as strong as the radiation field they're going through for four hours, two hours to the moon and two hours back. And the X-ray only lasts one twenty-fourth of a second, and he wears a lead vest or you know, to take that very quick, very light radiation exposure. So I don't think clothing and you know food is gonna really help that much. It appears that they faked leaving Earth orbit for the tenth time. Again, they've already done it nine times. If they really want us to believe what they're doing now, they need to tell the truth about what they did in the past, which was fake the moon landing. We have more proof that they faked it than they went. The only people who say otherwise are people who've made a god out of the moon landing. People who don't believe in God often make, quote, science, their God, not realizing that science is a bunch of you know, used car salesmen trying to sell the product. And so the God of science is putting a man on the moon. I come along and in their minds, I'm blaspheming their God. They're claiming I'm not being scientific, but science says you can't have greater technology in the past and in the future. Science says you can't have shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart in sunlight, which means it's electrical light, which means they're on Earth, which means they didn't go to the moon. Science says an outrageous scientific claim, a breakthrough like splitting the atom, flying across the Atlantic, breaking the sound barrier, has to be independently duplicated. All of those three things I mentioned, they were duplicated. But going on 60 years, no one has been able to duplicate walking around, driving cars and playing golf on the moon, which somehow they can do with 60 years older technology, and now with six decades better technology, all they can do is look out the window and wave at the moon going by. And we don't even have a video, we don't have a single motion image going past the crew to the window with the big moon outside slowly going by. Not one video of that. I gave them the benefit of the doubt you know, before the launch, during the flight, but it looks like afterwards, without showing a single video of that, and with the AI saying their you know famous Earthrise picture is 95% certainty to be an AI generated. What can you say? You know, people like Pierce Morgan or these other people that you mentioned, they attacked the messenger. That proves me right. If they really went to the moon, why are there hundreds of debunking videos to prove me wrong? If they went to the moon, that means the amount of evidence I have to the contrary is zero. So a debunking video should be zero seconds and zero minutes long, and yet they spend three hours in a single video to push back down all the evidence of the fraud, right? Because it's strong. And they have all these hundreds of debunking videos because the original claim is made of straw. It needs all of those videos. If I was going around saying Mickey Mouse was the first president of the United States instead of George Washington, do you think there'd be hundreds of videos to debunk me? No, because the truth should speak for itself. And if they really went to the moon, they wouldn't have to attack the messenger. And Pierce Morgan, bless his heart. You can be sincere, but be sincerely wrong. And that's what's happened. People's arrogance has clouded their minds to perceive the reality. You cannot have greater technology in the past than today. You cannot drive cars and play golf on the moon with one millionth computing powered cell phone on an eight-year goal ahead of schedule when with six decades better technology, be eight years behind schedule just to look out the moon out the window at the moon passing by. I don't know what more to say. If you can't see that truth, then you've made a god out of the moon landing, and they've already faked leaving Earth orbit nine times that they haven't told the truth about. So I don't think faking it one more time is going to be that big of a deal. Back to you, Naz.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Yeah, thank you for that. Yeah, you know, in my introduction, I failed to say, and I wanted to say that Bart, uh, in a lot of ways, uh, you know, you're more uh than uh, you know, they trying to coin you as a conspiracy theorist, whatever, whatever. Someone I think on Piers Morgan pointed to, I think it was Professor Professor Keaton, he uh pointed to the fact that Wikipedia says this about you, and then Wikipedia says that I'm an astrophysicist. And we all know how Wikipedia works uh by now. So that was very very uh comedic. So I just want to uh say that uh in a lot of ways, Bart, you are a uh thinker, a philosopher of our time. And I just want to point out also to all the people um that's been that that have been scrutinizing you, they don't realize uh that it was to no benefit of yours to be sticking to your story for so many years because again, you came under so much scrutiny, so much you know, death threats and pointing fingers, and excuse me for saying, you know, spitting your way. I mean, it's to no benefit. You could have been an astrophysicist proving that they landed on the moon, um, spending all of the time that you spend. Um, so I just wanted to put that out there. A very important point that you're saying is uh that they are trying to sort of replace God. And I've been saying this uh for many years on my channel that they have been continuously trying to kill God. And I think that artificial intelligence is sort of the last frontier in that battle of them trying to remove God uh from uh the human consciousness. People like a Joe Rogan, bless his heart. I I happen to, you know, uh like Joe Rogan, but he keeps uh pointing out that artificial intelligence is a god or a godlike. And so so you're seeing you know all of these uh things uh pop up with with you know trying to kill God, uh lastly and finally, uh, from the human hearts. So I really appreciate you uh saying that. What I wanted to ask you is uh because uh so many years have passed since they try to either go back to the moon or try to fake going back to the moon, try to fake uh going past the Van Allen belts. Um, and right now, well, the way sociology uh works, and I really want to stress to people that there are universities and there there are you know uh whole big huge learning centers that study the way uh society works, that study the way sociology works, that also study the way we are being controlled. And every year, you know, they get better with their technology, the way they influence the masses. So this is my question, Bart. With everything going on lately, especially going from COVID and to the Iran war, war that we have now, everything in between, um, it seems like people's minds have already been bombarded enough, right, with information, with disinformation, whatever you want to say. But so this is my question, because you kind of touched on that. Um that they had to prove that they could leave Earth's orbit. But you know, if you could kind of sort of, you know, uh vocally meditate on this, um, what would be the point now? Like, what was the biggest point? Because again, there's so much going on right now. Why would they try to, you know, show people that they can go back to the moon and sort of fly around the moon with Artemis 2 right now with everything that's going on? What is their idea behind? And maybe you know, because you also uh last time you were here, you touched on a possible alien attack psyop that that might be happening. So, am I cold? Am I warm? Like, you know, what was the biggest point of them, you know, doing this whole spectacular Artemis mission, uh, moon mission to right now? What is the biggest point? What is their biggest objective with this? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Well, I think their biggest objective is to make sure we keep believing the original moon landing lie. If the truth came out that the original moon landings were fake, it would probably cause the federal government to collapse. That's what an NBC news director said, who agreed that the footage I uncovered of them faking being halfway to the moon proves that they never went to the moon. One of them refused to broadcast it for fear it would cause a civil war. The other one was gonna broadcast it and flew me to New York, pay me thousands of dollars for the exclusive license, and then they got a threatening call from the federal government not to broadcast it, and they backed down. The Artemis mission is to kind of reassure people somehow that they can at least, you know, go near the moon uh to kind of prop up the original moon landing claim. About AI uh a few years ago, and I just wrote my first article on X. So if you go to Sabrel.com, SSNSAM, I B as M Boy, R E L, Sabrell.com, there's about a 6,000-word article I just posted on X about all of this. And you're right, uh the moon landing is the god of many people. And you could say the messiah, new messiah, might be AI. The problem is the smartest AI in the world a few years ago, which was 10 of the smartest AI hooked up together in what was called a neural network. Not available to the public. It was just shown off at an AI convention by Google. One team who was allowed to play with it for three days had it write a symphony, took like two seconds. Another one had it write a novel, took two seconds. And another team had it uh take advantage of its deep fake detector program that's never been wrong. It fed it images of the moon surface taken by the Chinese unmanned probes that can survive radiation and don't need oxygen, food, or water. And it said that the pictures were genuine. The surface and the background were continuous and they were really taken on the moon. Then it fed them pictures from the Apollo program of the Nixon administration, and the smartest AI in the world just said that every single Apollo picture was fake. It had a fake background. Do not line up 100% certainty. Now, this is contradictory to their program because people are making a messiah out of AI, and their messiah just said the moon pictures are fake, which was previously their God. This is what alarmed people. The truth almost came out. If you go to that article that I posted on X, I took a screenshot. The original article that showed that the smartest AI was uh convinced that the Apollo moon pictures were fake was written in Russian because the convention took place in Moscow. Putin was there. There's a video at Sabral.com of Putin being shown the results of the AI. So the original news article was in Russian. And if you click on it, a big warning came up saying all the data on your computer would be stolen and you'd be associated with child pornography if you proceeded to read the article about how the smartest AI just said the moon pictures were fake. I've never seen a warning like that in my entire life. Your data will be stolen and you'll be associated with child pornography. That's how desperate they are for people not to know that the smartest AI just said the moon pictures were fake, because it will cause the finger out of the dike and for it to collapse. So they had to give us something. They had to keep propping up. More and more people are becoming aware that the moon missions were fake. And what does that mean if the moon missions are fake and sadly they were fake? That's more significant historically than if they actually went to the moon. I mean, either they went to the moon, they came back, even though, with six decades of better technology, you can only look out the window of the moon, or the most powerful nation on earth that hypocritically claims to represent truth and justice falsified mankind's greatest accomplishment, and according to eyewitnesses who I interviewed, murdered Apollo astronauts to keep it a secret. If that's true, and I assure you it is, that's horrendous. It means the federal government are a bunch of gangsters, liars, embezzlers, and murderers, which they are. And they are so afraid for that truth to come out. If people really want to reform the federal government, they need to tell the truth about the moon landing fraud because that's the most powerful tool that you could use to show the public that they were taken for sucker six times. Not only was their hard labor, 25% going to the corrupt federal government, used to deceive them about the moon landing, they just spent a hundred billion dollars just to fly around the moon one time and look out the window at the moon, if indeed they even did that. And so that's why they're so concerned that Artemis be successful, because it's postponing the fact that they faked the moon landing a little bit longer. There's probably going to be economic collapse next in America, followed by earthquakes and followed by a meteor strike. And I think they're postponing, you know, we quote returning to the moon as long as possible, because once those events unfold, no one's going to care who shot JFK or if the moon landings are real or not. The problem with people like Pierce Morgan is they're critical of the federal government as long as what they're criticizing is a war or an assassination. But you give them a positive lie, you give them a piece of candy, that's a lie, and they'll defend the lie because it's a glorious, wonderful lie. You know, I get emails from people saying, we're orbiting the moon. We're orbiting the moon. Really? They're orbiting the moon? We? They somehow in their mind think they walked on the moon, and I'm taking away part of their own glory somehow. You know, it just boggles the mind that people who are critical of the federal government praise one of the greatest corrupted lies that they've ever done, which is faking the moon landing, because it's flattering themselves. Well, I'm part of a nation that put men on the moon. You know, it's amazing. All of these critics of the federal government won't criticize one of the most obvious lies, which is you cannot have greater technology in 1969 than today. The truth is right there in front of their eyes, shadows intersecting at 90 degrees, the logic you can't have greater technology in the past, the deathbed testimony of someone who saw them film it at Cannon Air Force Base, and this footage we have that two NBC's news directors and the Washington Post agree that they're faking being halfway to the moon, meaning they never even left Earth orbit and the Apollo mission not a single time. And so I think that's their greatest fear because I think the moon landing fraud coming out would unravel the federal government, and then who knows what would happen next. Civil war, you could rename the country the independent states of America. And I talk about this in my book, how this needs to be done anyway. You can't have a government that is faking moonlandings and expect to have a functional society or a moral society. And it's gonna just cause more problems in the future if you let these people go on their merry way. So we'll see what happens. I think maybe if there's a God, and I believe there is, God will allow the truth to come out to rebuke America. Maybe the New World Order people are gonna make it happen themselves. You know, a self-inflicted wound. That's what killing Kennedy was in the Gulf of Tonkin was. They may themselves tell the truth about the moon landing fraud to bring down the status of the United States. After all, New World Order simply means a new order. Whoever's number one isn't number one anymore. And what better way to take down America than to prove that they faked the moon landing to embarrass them?

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Yeah, uh, it's very comedic, but at the same time, it's very sad uh when you say that people sort of, you know, uh claim that uh regular regular sh Joe Schmoe says, you know, we went to the moon or we're uh on a way to Mars and we're going to colonize Mars. And I I kind of made a made a short, you know, uh joking at this because I'm I'm saying like, well, I didn't, I didn't, I'm not, you know, colonizing Mars. I'm I'm chilling at home with my wife, uh eating uh chips. Like I'm not going to the moon, I'm not, you know, uh starting a war in the Middle East, like I'm not doing any of this. And you're right, for some reason, you know, people want to sort of claim this glory um as their own. And uh really quickly, as far as like a civil war in America, um, or or anything like that uh happening here, I just want to say that because my brain is sort of divided, because I was brain uh born and raised in Ukraine and then I grew up in America, I still have a split brain where I'm American, but yet I still have you know that part of the brain still active, that Slavic part of the brain. And because I have been a student of uh history, uh I studied in the Vatican, uh, I studied real history, I studied all these things, and that's why I'm such a big fan of yours. And what I realized is that Western society, and this is very true for Western Europe, this is very true for the United States. Um, uh people are very complacent uh to everything that's going on in the government. Meaning, I don't know if it's something that has to do with you know, a genetic code that uh are used to being ruled by monarchy, but you know, people are very um, you know, loyal to the government and are very loyal to man-made laws. Um, and you don't see this in Slavic countries. I think that's why Slavic countries have always been a problem uh for the world elites, countries like Russia or Ukraine, is because uh, you know, in Ukraine or in Russia, people will firstly want to do the right thing as opposed to, you know, going against a man-made law. And, you know, in America, God forbid, someone will kill someone, but yet they will be so afraid to go to jail, meaning they're not gonna worry about what their conscience will do. They will worry if they will, you know, get discovered and will get put to jail. And I think this is, you know, a colossal difference between sort of Eurasia and uh and Western uh civilization. Uh so uh going back to uh the possibility of a civil war, I think Americans have been fed for way too long for a civil war to happen in America. Again, you know, uh you might know a lot more uh than I do on this point, but I think uh the population needs to be hungry for a long time in order for us to really take any sort of action against the government. Because again, going back to you know, I don't know uh Piers Morgan uh personally, but what why I'm so against him is because he's sort of been propping up and sort of been praising Zelensky. And I know people that know Zelensky personally, and I know what's going on inside of Ukraine. Every single human rights violation has uh been done onto the people in Ukraine. The horrible, terrible things of military conscriptions are going on inside of Ukraine, the Western media doesn't want to cover it, doesn't want to talk about it, and then Zelensky gets praised on Piers Morgan as this sort of um, you know, a hero. And so that's why I'm so against uh people uh like Piers Morgan because I know that he knows better, I know that you know he knows the truth, I know that he knows the truth about uh the Apollo missions, the uh fake moon landing, but yet he will be on camera bootlicking and praising and going all the way as he did with Iraqi war and then apologizing about it years later, like oops, I'm sorry I was wrong. Um, well, you were wrong on a very you know terrible and horrible thing that that was going on, Mr. P uh Mr. Morgan. And uh so Bart, I don't want to you know rant for a long time. Um, so Professor Dave and people like Piers Morgan. Um, oh well, before I go on, what I wanted to ask you is um Professor Dave has claimed that he um sort of wanted to debate you, but yet you're running away from him, you're ducking him. And right away I say to people, look, Bart has never ducked anybody, even when he had a chance to talk to one of the last remaining living astronauts on a Danny Jones podcast, Bart was there. He he was he was ready to talk and to debate to the with this guy. So I don't you know when uh Pierce Morgan called you to to debate or talk to Professor Keaton, you were there. When Joe Rogan asked you, you were there. So, what I wanted to ask for your fans, uh, because a lot of people wrote me to ask you this. Uh, did you duck or are you ducking a Professor Dave? If you could entertain that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

Yeah, I'm not sure I know who that is, other than someone in the Apollo detectives group, I think, commented about a three-hour video that he made, I think in two parts. Uh, I didn't see the video, but what they told me about it was that he was kind of juvenile and you know, using name calling as part of his argumentation, which just proves me right. And so part of my rebuttal on X talks about debunkers in general and people, and I'm presuming he's the one who uses insults to somehow make a point, which is doing the exact opposite. Uh, the fact is, let's say my uh objective was to bring, I don't know, uh, Boy Scout leaders who molest children to justice, would I want to debate one of their victims who somehow has been brainwashed into thinking the molesting scoutmaster is really honest? No, I don't want to debate a victim of the deception, of the abuse. I want to debate the perpetrator. So if someone wants to put up a NASA administrator or an astronaut, I'll be glad to call them to account. Anybody else apparently wasn't even alive at the time. So I don't know what is there to debate, and and there's really nothing to debate. You know, the sky is blue. Why debate it? It's blue. I can see it out the window right now. And they did fake the moon landing. The other point of view doesn't need equal time, they don't deserve equal time. We have the trillion dollar federal government, Pentagon, NSA, NRO, CIA against me. Right? We don't need anybody else jumping in on the pile. We've heard their side of the story for 57 years. Their side doesn't deserve equal time. Let me speak for 57 years, and then I will be glad to give somebody equal time. But if someone wasn't even alive at the time, how can they possibly claim that they know so confidently what did or didn't happen on the moon when they weren't even alive yet? When, according to Eugene Kranz, who I've spoken to, and I doubt if they have, that someone in the command center can't tell the difference during a launch between a quote, real flight and a quote practice flight. It's just a bunch of numbers going by on a screen. I interviewed the widow of the man who is going to be the first man to walk on the moon for four hours. I doubt if a debunker did that. Did they interview Betty Grissom for four hours like I did, who told me that her husband was murdered by the CIA for not cooperating with fraud in the Apollo program? No, I don't think they've done their research. And obviously they haven't. If they're constantly spewing out insults like a juvenile, then they're too immature to actually know what's going on, which proves their gullibility, which just proves me right. If they really went to the moon, then a debunking video should be zero minutes and zero seconds long. Why does it take three hours and hundreds of videos to reassure people that the moon landings that you still can't repeat with six decades better technology were so real? Why do they need all that support? I guess they do because they're made out of straw. So all of this debunking stuff, just in theory, is proving me right. You don't attack the messenger if truth is on your side. And if they really went to the moon, I have zero evidence to the contrary. So it wouldn't take three hours to debunk me. It would take zero. I mean, I don't know what more to say. I talk about this in my ex post in a general sense about debunking. The fact that they're debunking actually proves me right. Because if they really went to the moon, they're all this three hours to reassure people that the moon missions were real, even though you can't duplicate them with six decades of better technology. I don't know what to say. There's nothing to debate. They did fake the moon landing. You know, bring up an Apollo astronaut, bring up a NASA administrator, and I'll be glad to have a conversation about it, like I did on Danny Jones.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Yeah, I really love the fact that you're always so uh humble and gracious when um talking about the people that are you know trying to throw dirt on your name. Uh you can see that you know there's zero hatred behind uh your words, that you really, you know, have sympathy and compassion and and love uh for these people, and you know, the fact that they have been, you know, sort of bamboozled uh for for all these years. And and it is, you know, it's actually it's it's very sad, uh, especially when you know you spend uh a lot of your uh life uh you know finding out and what exactly is going on. And the fact uh you I always bring this up whenever someone tells me anything about uh Bart Sabril, the fact that you were a fan um uh of everything, you know, space uh program at that time, the fact that you were a fan of uh a moon mission or Apollo missions, and and so I just want to point out to people that uh you know Bart for many years were was probably trying to disprove himself, uh, you know, because I found myself in the same kind of situation with Ukraine. I was brainwashed with the propaganda ever since I was a child. And so then when I was 19 years old, and I seen uh, you know, exactly how uh people have been uh you know sort of put against one another, you know, Russians and Ukrainians, and how populations are being manipulated and controlled. And and for many years I tried to disprove myself of the information that I was learning. Um, so I know Bart, you were doing the same thing as being a fan of uh the moon mission. Um, what I wanted to ask you, oh, and by the way, uh Professor Dave didn't do a three-hour video about you. Uh uh, he did a four-hour uh three-part uh video about you because there's recently, I think uh yesterday or a day before, a new video about your interview with Piers Morgan came out um uh with Professor Dave. And uh just a funny fact that uh I talked to Professor Dave. I wanted to uh you know talk to him about some of the stuff um that he was claiming uh you know a while back, and and he refused to talk to me. So whatever. People are afraid uh to talk to us because I'm not your average, just you know, American guy. I I have a huge background again in the Vatican. I speak five languages fluently, and I think they're afraid to uh to face me. Um what I wanted to ask you not to steer away uh from from all of this stuff, Bart is uh the situation with uh Buzz Aldrin, because it came up on uh Piers Morgan and Buzz Aldrin um uh punching you. What was the situation? Did he really punch you? And what it what was the sense that you got from that interaction? Because if someone, uh a guy, went to the moon and he walked on the surface of the moon, uh, why would he get this mad uh this fast? Why would he want to punch anyone uh that tried to basically call him a liar? What was the situation? Can you clear the air for all the people that love you and support you for all your fans? What was the situation behind the uh Buzz Oldren encounter? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 41:09

Well, um, what surprised me is if they were really interested. I mean, I I'm assuming Pierce Morgan calls himself a journalist, right? Journalists are supposed to, you know, dig out corruption and look for the truth. I sent him a clip of them faking being halfway to the moon on camera. I don't know why he didn't show that. That's the proof that they never left Earth orbit. We can show it right now in screen share, or you can bring up uh clip number four that I sent you. That's the clip you should be showing. We have them faking being halfway to the moon on camera, right in front of your eyes, with the CIA faking a four-second radio delay. Why don't they show that clip? You know, the fact is, Buzz Aldrin, uh, I had met him before. I had shown him the footage that I just spoke of that he was there when they were filming the fake Earth. They used a one-foot model in the spacecraft, they doctored it up to make it look like the Earth floated in space, the lights come up, and they're still in Earth orbit when they just lied for the TV cameras and said they were halfway to the moon. Two NBC new directors agree it proves they didn't go to the moon, including the Washington Post. And even my critics say, yes, that is them faking being halfway to the moon. It's undeniable. That's the clip you should want to show. However, you know, I showed Buzz that clip. He got mad, he said, Oh, and this makes you a famous person for having discovered this. Well, how can I be famous if I'm wrong? And then he said, I need to talk to NASA's administrator that he was just a passenger, which is orbiting the earth for eight days, right? And when he realized he admitted twice that uh I was correct, he threatened to sue me if I showed that clip to anybody. And that's in my second film, Astronauts Gone Wild. Now, part of that name came from I had this idea, why not just ask them to swear on the Bible, like in TV shows I saw as a kid? So we had an interview with him in I think Beverly Hills, California, in 2002, and I asked him to swear on the Bible. Now, if I walked on the moon and someone thought it was done in a TV studio, I would find that hysterically funny. I'm like, really? Oh, okay. Uh, you want me to swear on two Bibles? Would three make you feel better? But the fact is, a sword with no point causes no injury. And he's upset because I'm telling the truth. It's like me walking up to him in front of his wife and saying, Oh, your mistress says hello. That's why he got angry, because I'm correct. Now, maybe that wasn't the best way of doing it. You know, the Bible says not to take an oath. I later discovered. And so maybe that was inappropriate for me to ask him. Maybe uh it's inappropriate the Bible says to, you know, be gentle when you rebuke. An older person. Maybe that I wasn't as gentle as I could have been. The fact is, he did fake the moon landing. And if somebody gets away with such a crime, which, according to I think legal terms, if he's participating in a crime that another person involved had committed a homicide, then that's he's legally liable for that homicide as well. He's also a traitor to the United States, America, and our people because he's taking our tax dollars and lying to us and covering up homicides that the federal government is doing. So in that way, I think he has a right to be confronted. I could go about it in a better way. It's just one of those things that happened. And uh so be it. He got mad because I'm correct. Like I said, if I was wrong, why would he care? You know.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

But but just uh did he in fact uh punch you? Did he uh in fact lay a punch on you?

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Yeah, he punched me. He got mad because I called him a coward. A coward, a liar, and a thief. A thief because we just paid him $2,000 an hour and he took money and to give us a story about something he didn't do. So I consider that stealing the money. A liar for obvious reasons and a coward. You know, that's the one that made him upset. That's why he punched me. It's amazing. You call somebody a coward when they are a coward and they get upset. Now keep in mind, I've been a coward and I originally turned down this project. I turned down making the movie, a funny thing happened on the way to the moon for fear, it might be true. And if I start uncovering these rocks, I might uh you know get in trouble. I might be risking my life if they in fact did fake the moon landing. So I turned down the project originally. I was afraid. I was a coward. It wasn't until I read the Bible five times from cover to cover, realized I'm gonna die anyway, and there is a judgment for how we live our life. And I realized if they fake the moon landing, that's more significant historically than if they'd actually gone. It is a truth worthy to die for. And in the second to the last chapter of the Bible, it says in the book of Revelation, it lists sins. And again, all of Revelation is written to the church, to believers. And five of the seven churches say, repent or you're not gonna make it. And it says to the church, if you continue in these sins, you will not enter heaven. It lists drunkenness, immorality, lying. And the first one is the cowardly will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Why hasn't anyone in the government come forward to tell the truth about the moon landing fraud? Because they're afraid, right? The Bible says, do not fear 365 times the most repeated commandment. They're afraid to lose their job, they're afraid they won't be able to pay their bills, they're afraid they'll get killed. We're gonna die anyway. You might as well go out dying for something that is right. So why is Buzz Aldrin a coward? He's afraid to look bad. You know, there are many celebrities. I think Bert Lancaster is one and Lucille Ball was another, who on their deathbed wouldn't even allow their closest friends in because they looked bad. They didn't want to look bad. They're so used to looking good with makeup and lighting and everything. They were just too embarrassed to look bad, that they died alone rather than being with their friends. Buzz Aldrin is afraid to look bad. He spent his whole life, you know, being a hero and whatever else, getting first class and free entrance and being treated like a celebrity, and he's afraid to give that up. But the Bible says God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble. And I tell you, America is gonna be rebuked severely by God if we don't tell the truth about the moon landing fraud. It's not gonna stand. Nixon said putting a man on the moon when he knew they weren't there was second in greatness to God making the universe. They said about the Titanic, the ship that God himself could not sink. God took care of that, didn't he? And so this rebuke inevitably, you know, may come out and it's gonna humble mankind, it's gonna humble America, and it's better, you know, if you turn yourself in, you get greater grace than if someone, you know, forces you into the light. So that's what happened with Buzz. I have no animosity toward him. Uh, we've had pleasant talks privately. Uh I'm not gonna say who, but two of the Apollo astronauts made it clear to me I am correct, and good luck trying to convince the world who doesn't want to know the truth. So they know that I know. And what can you do? What's really sad is to have this guy, Charles Duke, you know, which apparently Buzz Aldrin has slipped up and said accidentally that he didn't go to the moon one too many times. They pulled him back from public life. We haven't seen him in three years, have we? They put up this guy who, because he stamps Christian on it, like the Used Car Association of America on a car you're buying, right? That just somehow guarantees its integrity. He thinks if he says he's a Christian, people are going to believe that he's, you know, walked on the moon when most of the New Testament is rebuking people for claiming they're a Christian when they're not. So what a surprise they have this guy like a snake lying through his teeth up to the very end, like a kid who gets his hand caught in a cookie jar. And, you know, I don't know what to say. It's it's scary to know there are people like that who, you know, I'm alive by the grace of God. And uh they could they could make a phone call, and I I wouldn't be here tomorrow if one of the Apollo astronauts made a phone call. So I don't know what to say. They did fake the moon landing. The majority has always been wrong throughout history. If you want to know the truth, you can go to my website, see the videos for free. There's more proof that they faked it than they actually went. There's no independent press coverage, there's nobody there on the moon. The best picture we have of an alleged lander on the moon is one foot per pixel. It's in my ex article. And if you can't tell what it is, but whatever it is, for some reason it has three legs instead of four. We did a magnification of it. The number one proof that they say is proof they went to the moon in 1969. We enlarged it, even though it's one foot per pixel, and and whatever's there, assuming the picture is genuine, has three legs, which is what you would actually design to land on the moon on an uneven surface. But the Apollo lander supposedly had four. It's also a little bit smaller, too. But I don't know what to say. You know, if a guy in the command center during the launch can't tell the difference between a real flight and a quote, practice flight, then I don't think someone born after the fact could tell.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Yeah, uh, it's really telling to me uh watching a lot of these uh people that are trying to sort of you know throw dirt on your name, uh, so to speak. Uh and they look, you know, very nervous on screen. You can see a lot of anger, and it's very telling to me uh who you know who holds the truth because you're here, you're always in a in a good mood, you're always smiling, you're never nervous. Um, so again, it's very telling. Um, the videos that you mentioned that you sent to me, I will plug in and post production. I do invite everyone to go to Sabril.com. Obviously, I will leave all the links in the description. We're coming up on the hour Bart uh that we agreed to. And again, thank you so much for doing this. I know you're extremely busy. This is what I wanted to ask you. Um, uh, just you know, literally a couple more questions, uh, last questions, uh, and very shortly, um, because again, I want to say that you're much bigger than some moon denier. Um, you're a very big hero to humanity. And I say that with all humbleness because a lot of people are afraid of the times that we are living in. But I I'm saying lately that we are living through the best times because we are finally, you know, seeing things for what they are. The masks are coming off. We have been living in a lie up to 2020, and finally, you know, a lot of the uh smoke that has been uh sort of thrown in our eyes is is being cleared and waking up to the truth is scary, but it's much better to wake up to the truth and keep living in a lie. Uh Bart, because again, I I will uh stand behind this. You're much more than just a mundanai, you're a thinker, you're a philosopher, uh, you're someone that hasn't been afraid, hasn't been cowardly. Um, so uh what people want to know is from someone like you, with everything that's going on right now with the with the wars around the world world, with the war in the Middle East, with uh Trump sort of uh going off the rails, um, and and uh you know, saying things that people are shocked at. Um, what is going on right now in America as far as government? Who's at the seat of power really? And uh where are we being steered to? Like if you could make a prediction or if you could, you know, from everything that you know, everything that you have learned and gathered, um, is there a uh deep uh state? Is there a shadow government? Um, is uh someone like a President Trump a puppet? Um, so are we looking at a World War III? I know you're not a geopolitical expert, but you know a lot about this. You know, where are we headed to? Are we headed towards a second coming of Christ? Are we living through the apocalypse? Are we going uh through a uh World War III? And uh who's at the seat of power in America, if you could entertain that. Thank you, Bart.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

Well, uh, Revelation 13 talks about two beasts. The one beast sits on the uh hill uh or the city of seven hills, and I think uh you've been to the Vatican, happens to be a city of seven hills, because uh the antichrist is blaspheming God. Basically, Jesus was killed for two reasons. Because he said he was God on the earth, and because he said he had the power to forgive sins. Well, the Vatican claims to be God on the earth, the vicar of Christ, and has the power to forgive sins. The Bible never says you have to go to a little booth and confess your sins. It says confess your sins to one another. That's it. And so, well, then who's the second beast? The second beast is like the bouncer of the uh first beast, it says it's uh on many waters, which means of many nationalities. So America is this is the nation of many nationalities, and we're the ones going around kicking out leaders of democratically elected countries to promote democracy, right? I mean, something's going on there. I think America's days are numbered from a spiritual point of view. God will rebuke the United States of America, I have a feeling, with economic collapse, earthquakes, and then a meteor strike. And uh that's coming down the pike soon. I suspect the people who want to depopulate the earth are just gonna let it happen and blame Mother Nature on the next genocide so they won't have to take responsibility for it. And at that point, no one's gonna care who shot JFK or if the moon landings are real or not, because there won't be any clean drinking water. And so I don't think uh times are gonna get better. I think they're gonna get worse. And yes, I think we're living in the last days. I think the return of the Messiah is at hand. According to the Messiah, things will get worse than in the entire history of the world right before the Messiah appears. You have the Jewish people who believe the Messiah is coming, you have the Christian people who believe the Messiah is coming. And so I think you know that's pretty amazing. And then you have NASA admitting that there's going to be a huge asteroid coming below the communication satellites on April 13th, 2029. That uh prophet, who had a vision and a dream, was told the name of the rock that hit off the coast of San Diego was Apophis, and he says it is going to hit uh off the coast of San Diego on that date, three years from now. So I wouldn't want to be in America anytime near the near then. If they're gonna let that happen or suspect it's going to happen, they're probably going to prepare in advance through maybe another pandemic, civil war, who knows what. Most important thing is to get right with God. Acts chapter 3 says, repent and therefore be converted. So what do you need to be converted? To be born again. Repent. The Bible says, everyone loves to quote it, John 3.16, for God so loved the world. The opportunity to be saved is for the entire world, every person thereon. But people don't read past John 3.16, which says light has come into the world, but men love darkness, their sin instead of light, and will not come into the light for fear, their deeds will be exposed. That's why Buzz Aldrin will not come into the light. Why? Fear that his deeds will be exposed, right? People will not let go of their sin. Jesus died so that everyone could be saved, but he also said, wide is the gate, broad is the road to destruction, and most people go that way. Narrow is the way to life, and only a few find it. And he said that to the church, not to the lost world. So even though salvation is open to every soul, most people will not let go of their sin to take hold of God's grace. You have to repent in order to take hold of God's grace. It's a relationship, it's two keys on the safety deposit box. We can repent all we want, and we won't make it into heaven unless God gives us grace. But we take hold of that grace by letting go of our sin. So we have to repent, get right with God, go to a godly church and repent, confess your sin, and don't do it anymore to the best of your ability. Read your Bible every day, and then it will be true. What good is it to gain the whole world and forfeit your soul? The lost world, they will win. They faked the moon landing, they've done all sorts of things. It looks like they're gonna succeed. Let them have the world. According to the book of Peter, the world will be destroyed with fire from above, meteor storms or whatever. And so be it. We can't live forever unless we have God's intervention to give us the grace to do so. And we take hold of that by letting go of our sin. So that's the most important thing to do. The moon landing fraud just shows you the fallen nature of mankind, the arrogance that a country would do that to their own people, you know, lie to that degree and then murder their own people to cover it up. And then there's another message when you have sincere people like Glenn Beck or Pierce Morgan defending their own deception because it's a flattering deception. We went to the moon, we did this glorious thing, even though with six decades better technology, then it can only do one-fifth of what they claim they did in 1969 on the first attempt ahead of schedule. So I don't know what more to say. They did fake the moon landing, and if you can't perceive that, then you're in trouble because you're submitting to leaders who are gonna lead you astray. So I would repent, get right with God, and that's the most important thing. Then whatever else happens, it doesn't matter. You're gonna die anyway. And as the character Bender said in Futurama, anything less than immortality is a complete waste of time. And that's what the moonlanding fraud symbolizes is the fallen mankind. That this is their Tower of Babel. Then the Tower of Babel was never finished either, was it? And they never never went to the moon. And I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if I had cancer, I would want to know. If we deny that we have cancer, then it's gonna eat us up. And unless the moon landing truth comes out, America and mankind is destined for ruin.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Yeah, this is exactly why it's so much bigger than the moon landing. And I think you're absolutely right. Uh, that uh the moon landing would just unravel um so much more of this deception that we can't even imagine. So, Bart, very lastly, again, thank you so, so much for doing this. I'll let you take us out of here. But what I want to ask you lastly, and I know we went above the time that we agreed to, um, but if you could take us out of here on this note, as we go through the apocalypse, through this unveiling, um, and uh people like you gladly will become, will be at the forefront of you know, truth being revealed to the world. You will only get bigger and bigger, and I'm very glad that this is finally happening. Obviously, it's sad of why it's happening, but I'm glad um that it's happening, and I'm glad that we have people like you to lead us into sort of uh this new world or no world. Um, so uh Bart, uh very lastly, take us out of here. And again, all the uh uh links, everything for Bart will be in the description. Please go check out Sabril.com. Please go watch all the shows, go watch all the videos, please support Bart Sabril any kind of way you can because these are uh the real heroes of our time. I won't stop saying that. So, Bart, very lastly, what is next for uh Bart Sabril as we go into this uh brave new world? And again, thank you so much for uh sharing your time and coming back uh and and always being kind to us. So, again, you know what is next for Bart Sabril? What should we be looking out for uh in the coming days and weeks and years? Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Well, I hope to produce my first feature film. It's called Silence in Heaven. The script is written. We have a budget of three million dollars, and it's to star Kevin Sorbeau, who is also the producer of the film, with me as the director and author. And it's about the last days. It's about a murderer repenting as he's terminally ill during the last days as strange last days go on. There's a scripture in Revelation 8, it says when the seventh seal was opened, there was silence in heaven. That says God is being praised 24-7 until that seal is open, because at that point there's no hope of repenting. Repentance time is over, it's too late. And I think that dead silence is because of the sadness of knowing the judgment is to come. Jesus said, Wide is the gate, narrow is the way to life. That indicates that most people won't make it. Most people who think they're saved are not. They don't actually live the life. And the Bible says we have to repent and stay faithful to the very end. Jesus said in Matthew 24, because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most believers will grow cold, meaning they won't make it. Only those who hold to the end will be saved. So we have to stay repentant to the end, and hopefully we'll get this feature film made. Uh, whoever puts up the three million will get half of the proceeds, and it'll be a spiritually inspiring film, I hope, called Silence in Heaven.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

Bart, uh, you have uh a steel balls of a giant, and uh, you're a true uh hero, you're a true patriot of humanity, and uh so thank you so much for always being kind for answering our call. People go support. We can't wait for this movie. Uh, we love uh Kevin Sorbo, we love you, Bart. I'm a huge fan as always. So uh thank you so much for doing this and God bless you, sir.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

And likewise, take care.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

Thank you, Bart.