Beth Rosenshein - Preventing Menopause! Yes, real talk!

Beth is an electrical/bio-medical engineer. She has three United States patents, one for a unique design of a vaginal speculum, one for a clever urinary collection device specifically designed for women, and a patent for an intravaginal data collection device. Beth discovered and documented an important drug interaction between esomeprazole (Nexium™) and testosterone. Her findings were published in a case study in The American Journal of the Medical Sciences in May 2004. She petitioned the FDA in August 2003 to change the labeling on hormone products. The petition was granted in September 2004, changing the labeling on all estrogen products. She also wrote a book on how to extend the functional life of the ovaries which could postpone menopause by decades, Preventing Menopause, How to Stop Menopause Before it Starts. Beth is also a wife and mother and lives in Boulder, CO.
Visit her website and keep up with her research at: https://www.diamondrf.org

Transcript

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Chicava

Welcome. Welcome, everybody. This is Chicava at the SHEROSpace Podcast. And today I am most excited to welcome Beth Rosenshein. Beth has been researching women's health, and most importantly, our transition into menopause, how it's been going, what we don't know, what we need to know and what is the healthiest version for us in the future.

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Chicava

I came across her work while we were all stuck at home during quarantine and read it voraciously. Her first book is called Preventing Menopause. You heard me correctly Preventing menopause? Indeed. And I kind of soft stocked her. And the beauty of it is she lives right in my home town, essentially. She's based in Boulder, Colorado, and she is out here fighting the good fight for our ovaries, for our sovereign t, for our health and well-being.

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Chicava

So I'm very excited to welcome her to the SHEROSpace podcast. And this is going to be very enlightening. Hi, Beth.

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Beth

Hi Chicava

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Chicava

How are you doing today?

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Beth

very good, thank you. How are you?

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Chicava

I am good. Better now I see you. Welcome to the sheroes space. Yeah. I want to start with how did you find yourself on this path? Like what? What? Interrupted your regular journey through womanhood as is prescribed to us.

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Beth

Well, it all started when I was 42. I'm 65 now, and I just woke up one day and I just didn't feel well, and I just kind of brushed it off. I had small, four small children, and I was just busy living my life. And every day I felt worse and worse. And I actually thought that I might be dying.

00:02:13:24 - 00:02:38:29

Beth

I, I couldn't think I actually the way I could smell was impacted. Food didn't taste right. I couldn't I didn't derive joy for my children. I absolutely did not want my husband to touch me, just even to touch me. And I thought, my goodness, what is happening in my body? I was completely unprepared for what was occurring.

00:02:39:01 - 00:02:58:06

Beth

So I went to the doctor and I explained about what he was, what was happening, and he smirked at me and he went, Yeah, you'll get used to it. And I was like, I don't want to get used to this. So he sent me to the gynecologist and she said, Well, looks like you're experiencing menopause. And I said, Well, how does that happen?

00:02:58:06 - 00:03:18:28

Beth

You just happens. And she said, No, it's usually a little bit slower, but in you it happened a little bit quicker. And I can give you what you need to feel better. And she did. She did. She actually gave me too much. So because she was just she wanted me to live my life and to be healthy again.

00:03:19:00 - 00:03:49:10

Beth

And I tell you, within hours of taking the medication, she gave me creams. I just felt dramatically better, especially that dark cloud that was over my head. I had never experienced depression, but I just had this sense of do and it literally lifted. That's it's the way I could describe it. And that was with the testosterone cream. I noticed that because we introduced it a little bit slowly, you know, one cream at a time.

00:03:49:12 - 00:04:15:27

Beth

But she she was just wonderful. And and I thought to myself afterwards, after I started feeling better, why am I so educated about this? Why don't I know what's happening with my own body? And I was I felt betrayed by, you know, the educational system. You know, I felt betrayed in general that I was so surprised by what happened.

00:04:15:27 - 00:04:48:12

Beth

And I was very surprised, too, by the reactions later on about it. So what I did was I decided I'm an electrical biomedical engineer by training, I decided to learn more about it. And so we lived in King County in near Seattle, which has one of the best library systems in the whole country. And I made friends with a librarian who shared my passion to find out information and over the course of about two years, I ended up ordering over 2000 papers.

00:04:48:18 - 00:05:09:19

Beth

Wow. And I read all of them. And she was just wonderful. She was relentless. When I said I wanted something, I'd send her an email and she got it for me. And these big sick packages would come in the mail and I learned I learned a lot. I learned that our ovaries are extremely important to our overall well-being.

00:05:09:22 - 00:05:21:01

Beth

They are dismissed and unappreciated. I realized that the transition shouldn't even have to. A woman doesn't even need to have.

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Chicava

It shouldn't be all this. Yeah, it shouldn't be.

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Beth

You should. It is so well studied. Did decline. This is what really bothered me the most. The decline of ovarian function is extremely well studied and very similar throughout all women all over the earth. We all have different cultures on how we handle the symptoms, but there shouldn't even be symptoms. There should just be monitoring of ovarian function and then there should be supplementation.

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Beth

And so that's.

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Chicava

What this is. And there's a terrific book out for women who are in their menstrual years called The Fifth Vital Sign that I really appreciated. And in that book, and I think perhaps in preventing menopause, too, the idea that I got to 40, 50 something without understanding that the menstruation I'm having today commenced six months ago like this egg has been working to get here.

00:06:23:24 - 00:07:02:20

Chicava

Like we think of it as this 28 day cycle when it's literally how I was treating myself in January is going to impact my menstruation in July and that that continuum with women. And so basically for you, you you a new career like spring out of your head right like Athena in full armor. Wow. Wow. And I also on a woohoo tip I had this moment we're coming out of a new moon upon taping this and it was the Virgo New moon in 2024 for people in the future.

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Chicava

I was in a beautifully deep Zen space because oftentimes when I think of the patriarchy, I've been framing it and it was a groundbreaking moment for me, like to to the patriarchy. Women are Earth and they're there. They're here to take care of you as long as the soil is fertile. Once the soil is fertile and I'll put a house on it, just it's useless.

00:07:25:13 - 00:08:12:08

Chicava

Like we're here about our fertility and that's how they manage women. But on a more esoteric level, in that yin space, this, this darkness, this nowhere that this ovarian process even happens from keeping us out of that that access, because everything springs from this darkness. And it's not just our physical functioning, but as more people, wherever processes we're going through, as a collective and opening and expanding our consciousness as going farther into this end might actually be what the Yang for the hyper patriarchy doesn't want.

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Chicava

But I think I kind of I had to get it out well, because I think it's just important to keep the scientific and the spiritual and the esoteric and the esoteric coming together because you're talking about very hard core scientific facts. And there's a lady down the street that is want to cancel her day because a hot flash.

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Beth

Right. And I think that it's very important. You brought up a very, very important point that when our ovaries we have a journey in life and our ovaries help us through that journey. And you were saying that when we lose our fertility, then we lose our usefulness in a way and instead of celebrating the fact that we're that we're women that can continue to contribute as we go along this journey, they just it's true.

00:09:08:08 - 00:09:38:06

Beth

It's a betrayal of women that we're not allowed to continue our journey on our own terms. And in an important way of doing that is you have to be healthy and restful and you have to be able to give your body what it needs. And there's no reason that women cannot have that. And and yes, it's it's hard facts that get you to that point, but your your journey through life, spiritual or otherwise, you should have that opportunity to seek that journey.

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Beth

You shouldn't have to stop it or compromise on your journey because of something that makes no sense. That of of denying you the opportunity to have full a full life. It's a full it's a full life. But to have the health to pursue, to pursue the life that you want, that sovereignty.

00:10:00:04 - 00:10:31:22

Chicava

Well, see, that's like the primary if I could implanted in these these young, young women, you know, because girls are starting to straddle ten, 11, 12. I know they teach us so quickly that the whole point of our ovaries is reproduction, too. I explain to my friends now I'm like, No, no, no, no, no. You have an estrogen, progesterone and testosterone receptor on every cell of your body.

00:10:31:24 - 00:11:03:14

Chicava

It is involved in everything and oof, they have us in a place where we objectify ourselves as well. You know, we objectify ourselves for beauty standards. But I don't I think a lot of what you're bringing to the fore, this evolution that we're in, it's like, no, you've been an objectifying yourself down to a cellular level, not just out a beauty magazine.

00:11:03:14 - 00:11:06:09

Chicava

They got us really good. It's a pickle.

00:11:06:10 - 00:11:25:16

Beth

Well, you know, something that came about that surprised me. Like you said, we think about, you know, when we're younger, we're taught that, you know, we have this reproductive life span and then we're beyond that, you know, what is our what are the ovaries really use for? But when you look at the function of the ovaries, they work 24 seven.

00:11:25:21 - 00:11:54:18

Beth

It's not just once a month, every moment of the day your ovaries are working and there's lots of eggs that are recruited from the ovaries. And every single moment of the day your body is making estradiol testosterone progesterone and the receptors are being stimulated to work in your favor. It's there to keep you healthy. And as soon as we lose or the amounts of our hormones go down, we lose the benefits.

00:11:54:18 - 00:12:21:11

Beth

And then that affects our ability to function. But I think it's really important to understand that our ovaries are not just reproductive organs. They yes, they're there's two functions. One is reproduction and one is keeping you healthy all the time. Yes. And that's really important. So when you start getting symptoms that your body's saying, hey, wake up, give me what I need so I can give you what you need.

00:12:21:13 - 00:12:57:14

Chicava

And I don't think women we are, we're told about the connection between postmenopausal women facing osteoporosis and but it's presented like, and it just happens, you know, not from a Dallas five element perspective once the transition the idea in the transition is that the ovaries can keep doing what they do for your bones. Because once those ovaries stop on the Bone gig, the kidney doesn't have to pick it up.

00:12:57:17 - 00:13:28:24

Chicava

And that's when all hell breaks loose because the kidneys are like, my God, I got to do this now. And the liver's like, Why? You're not doing it? And then the livers got to kick in and and that is how we tumble. And then that's how we tumble down this terrible cycle because you're so from that paradigm, each of our organs, house emotions, so our kidneys, you know, fight or flight or a sense of deep safety.

00:13:28:26 - 00:13:42:08

Chicava

What if that gets rocked out from the ovaries? The kidneys aren't feeling it because now they got to do the ovaries job and then the liver. You're going to get angry or faster. You're going to get bigger. Yeah.

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Beth

Well, I think what people don't understand, like you brought up a good point, that people think that the ovaries a lot of people think this way, that the ovaries just slow down. You know, you don't need to be, you're getting older, your body's getting older. And so somehow Mother Nature has made it. So the ovaries slow down.

00:14:00:28 - 00:14:28:29

Beth

So you're not reproductive, but you still have your hormones. It's completely untrue if that isn't. Mother Nature didn't do that. What what causes menopause is organ failure. It's a complete shutdown of the ovaries. And I want to it sounds nice that maybe Mother Nature is taking care of us as we get older, but that's not the reason. Because until 200 years ago, women lived their entire lives fertile because most women died by the age of 40.

00:14:29:02 - 00:14:39:07

Beth

And the ovaries. It's simply a matter of math. We're born with as many eggs as we're going to have. We just use them up. So that's about it. And so you easily.

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Chicava

Pass them up because aren't we born with like 500,000 or 200,000 more?

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Beth

Yeah, more than a million eggs.

00:14:46:13 - 00:15:16:25

Chicava

So I think it's something in between the food paradigm because how our, how our consciousness is affecting our body That is why or telomeres like in that in that conversation around why we age and what is aging, what does the what do we need to make sure that the first egg and the last egg has? You know.

00:15:16:27 - 00:15:39:21

Beth

Well, that's what the premise of my book was, or is preventing menopause is that is if you give the ovaries what they need to survive, if you support the ovaries, they will use those eggs up more slowly. And if you use them up more slowly they last decades longer. And I'm not the only one that feels this way, you know there's, there's lots of research that has tracked.

00:15:39:24 - 00:16:11:23

Beth

You'd be surprised how much research tracks ovaries and then nobody does anything about it. So they tracked how the eggs are used over the years and, and so if you supplement like, for instance, when around age 30, your adrenal glands, which secretes the most abundant hormone in your body, which is called DHEA and DHEA, actually breaks down into estradiol and testosterone and other estrogens and androgens.

00:16:11:26 - 00:16:43:07

Beth

So C help the so the ovaries put out some hormones and then they the adrenal glands put out some more and and then there's this nice steady flow and recruitment of eggs. But then around age 37 in all women, there's an increase in that recruitment. And that's because DHEA levels go down. Now, we have an option at that time, it's very clear supplement with DHEA and then you then you don't use as many eggs.

00:16:43:07 - 00:17:11:02

Beth

It's that simple. And, you know, reproductive endocrinologist are already using that idea. They supplement their patients who can't get or having difficulty getting pregnant. They give them large doses of DHEA to help their ovaries recruit their eggs. So it's the science is there, but society has to decide. The importance has to recognize the importance of ovarian hormones. And and I just want to say one thing about ovarian hormones.

00:17:11:04 - 00:17:34:15

Beth

When you think of you think of they're only female hormones, but they're not hormones. All hormones are human hormones, all of them. They all work the same way in our bodies. So insulin works the same way, thyroid works the same way. Men and women. It works all the same way. And when you think of ovarian hormones, most people don't realize men have the exact same hormones.

00:17:34:20 - 00:17:57:06

Beth

So flip the little switch in your head a little bit. Think about a man that loses function of his testicles. He has estradiol progesterone and testosterone, and he's heading towards complete testicular failure. He's going to get hot flashes. He's not going to be able to sleep. He's not going to be able to really enjoy or want to be touched or have sexual thought or be able to engage in sexual function.

00:17:57:12 - 00:18:07:08

Beth

He's going to lose his patients. He's going to lose muscle mass. He's going to lose stamina. And do you feel for him? Should he have to go through that if you know it ahead of time?

00:18:07:17 - 00:18:08:01

Chicava

my God.

00:18:08:01 - 00:18:08:28

Beth

He's going to These.

00:18:08:28 - 00:18:26:10

Chicava

Men would stop the damn planet if they all can. If all men got menopause on Monday, everything, everything would shut down and they would have to convene to figure out what the like the world just could not go on.

00:18:26:13 - 00:18:34:25

Beth

But why? But you see that. But why isn't it happening with women? Why are we accepting this? That's what I'm trying to bring.

00:18:34:25 - 00:18:43:00

Chicava

We are so new at becoming aware of our subjugation.

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Beth

Right.

00:18:43:24 - 00:18:59:23

Chicava

And the levels of it. And it's hard to accept because you're like you're way out there on the forefront and they're like, What now? And everybody's back here? Like, what's that lady talking about? You know, but then it'll come. Yeah.

00:18:59:25 - 00:19:19:13

Beth

Yeah. No, your abs. The reason I brought up the, the example with men is because it, it's like if you go to the doctor with somebody that you care about a male and he's exhibiting all these symptoms, you're going to see do something, do something. He has a life to live. He's entitled to that life. So why you?

00:19:19:13 - 00:19:31:16

Beth

Why aren't we our own best advocates? And and I'll tell you, one of the ways and you had mentioned it earlier, we're just not we don't have the right mindset for ourselves.

00:19:31:16 - 00:20:14:08

Chicava

We've been so mis educated that we're on we're on a new curve like people we are. It's hard to admit and there's a shadow aspect to it. There's there's a kind of a kink that has been programed into women to be in servitude, right? There's a side of it where women are going to it's so not there's a natural, normal side of women's lives being about other people because we make other people brides.

00:20:14:10 - 00:20:16:13

Beth

It's been like, well, you put this.

00:20:16:15 - 00:20:24:22

Chicava

Yeah, but it's been it's been prostituted It's we're in it's it the goddess is being defiled.

00:20:24:25 - 00:20:45:23

Beth

Yes. Library. No I agree And I see part of that is that like what happened to me. I had no idea had anything to do with my ovaries. I just thought I was sick. And I had noticed that my periods were getting longer and longer. And for some limited it's shorter, but for me it was longer and longer.

00:20:45:23 - 00:21:06:13

Beth

And then I guess I don't see you know, I was told in subsequent times to the doctor, you know, this is just a normal natural process and you'll get used to it in my own mother told me that she said, your husband will get used to it. And I said, yeah. And I said, I don't want to get used to it.

00:21:06:13 - 00:21:09:17

Beth

I don't I don't want to live my life this way.

00:21:09:19 - 00:21:44:24

Chicava

So well, we're also programed to accept pain like that, like whatever. If you do the Bible thing, like you're going to not just childbirth and pain, just, you know, pain for the whole duration and that full, it's a doozy because the pain is so normalized the pain of a long period. Ms. Periods, endometriosis post PCOS Yeah, the pain has been so normalized, right?

00:21:44:27 - 00:21:50:29

Chicava

And then when you pile on the food and that's the medical food and industrial complex is

00:21:51:05 - 00:21:51:12

Beth

Yeah.

00:21:51:19 - 00:22:07:14

Chicava

We it's you can eat as healthy as you want to eat, but there's micro-plastics in your brain which are going to throw your like it's, we're on a or we're in or on a bad trip. I guess it it's.

00:22:07:16 - 00:22:10:29

Beth

Like okay well if we recognize I think we can get off that boat.

00:22:11:03 - 00:22:14:25

Chicava

Yeah, well, you can't heal what you can't see.

00:22:14:27 - 00:22:42:21

Beth

Right? Absolutely. And so that's why I was so I had such a voracious appetite years ago when I was 42 to learn how could I have been so ignorant of my own body and and, you know, I have three daughters and a son, and I don't want them to have that ignorance. I want them to to learn. But they can't learn if they don't if that information isn't put out there.

00:22:42:23 - 00:23:04:21

Beth

So that's what motivated me to do. The first book was to say, you know, you don't need it because the ovaries are so well studied. You don't need to go through these things. It's like knowing think about if you had like thyroid disease and low thyroid. All right. So, you know, if, you know, like it's a genetic thing, you know, you're going to get it.

00:23:04:21 - 00:23:23:09

Beth

You're going to look for it so that you don't have to suffer or, you know, there's people with genetic testing. They they know that their cholesterol, their genetically, their cholesterol is going to go Right. So they're going to be monitored. Why can't we have the choice? You don't have to tell women what to do, but give them the choice.

00:23:23:12 - 00:23:38:21

Beth

Do you want to supplement your ovaries and have a certain level of health or not? It should just be a choice. And that choice needs to be respected because not everybody feels that way. But, you know, I think women should be given the choice and they don't have that choice right now.

00:23:38:24 - 00:24:13:25

Chicava

And what do you think the because to me, in that esoteric and esoteric meeting, it the farther I go, I keep feeling like when we talk about she this lifeforce energy, we're very much talking about hormones. So in the implication of getting what without like the thyroid, the blood pressure, any other diseases, what are the implications of our ovaries being jacked up?

00:24:13:25 - 00:24:26:21

Chicava

Like how much like is is the are the ovaries kind of the prime mover if our like if we get our ovarian health right, how is that going to impact the rest of our own system?

00:24:26:21 - 00:25:02:11

Beth

Well, the ovaries are part of the puzzle. You know, in our body. It's a piece that that creates our wholeness. And it definitely plays an integral part and an important part. The ovaries are just as important as any other organ in our body, because once the ovaries fail, you know, we are everything is affected, like you said, the kidneys, the liver, you know, the the intestines, our brain, we suffer and we should be given an option because there's no reason not to be given that option, because the science is there.

00:25:02:11 - 00:25:19:06

Beth

But for some reason, like you said, we've we've been conditioned to think that this is going to be natural and normal and we'll get used to it. But it's not about getting used to it. It's like there's lots of stories called the grandmother theory. Have you ever heard of that?

00:25:19:06 - 00:25:21:23

Chicava

No.

00:25:21:26 - 00:25:52:19

Beth

It's just an excuse to deny women health care. That's all it is. There's this theory that people use widely when they just want you to stop asking for treatment. They'll say, Well, don't you know this is Mother Nature's way of preserving humankind? So when we lived in caves and we had limited resources, obviously, and women needed to go out with it, you know, men would hunt and gather, but women had to also somebody had to take care of the little ones.

00:25:52:21 - 00:26:16:07

Beth

So if you didn't have women come back and do that, you know, the older the grandmothers, then, you know, we couldn't grow as a species. Well, they weren't infertile. They weren't they didn't have ovarian failure. All three generations had ovarian. I mean, the actual very well, not the children, but the well, they had ovaries, but the the mothers had ovarian function and so did the grandmothers.

00:26:16:07 - 00:26:32:26

Beth

So it didn't it's not that organ failure did not save humanity, is what I'm saying. So standard mothers, Yes. They love their children and their grandchildren. They took care of them, but it wasn't because of their ovaries.

00:26:33:14 - 00:26:34:01

Chicava

right.

00:26:34:04 - 00:26:49:00

Beth

There's so they were saying the theory is that, you know, the given fertility is what allows grandmothers because they're not busy having their own babies, but they weren't infertile. So that isn't the issue. Just really I'm.

00:26:49:00 - 00:26:58:03

Chicava

Just going to hold my head. That's like saying I, I can't babysit for you because I'm a menstruating person like you.

00:26:58:06 - 00:27:08:02

Beth

Well, it's prevalent. It is used regularly. I mean, I people say it to me and I was like, well, I don't live in case I sleep on a bed.

00:27:08:03 - 00:27:16:28

Chicava

It's very yeah, it's very interesting. Like embrace technology versus this is the way it's always been.

00:27:17:00 - 00:27:38:06

Beth

Well, I think that throughout the years people have tried to help women, you know, cope with this. And when there wasn't a treatment for it, that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is that we have the science now. And what also doesn't make sense is all the misrepresentation that's given to women. So they it gives them roadblocks to receiving treatment.

00:27:38:09 - 00:28:02:05

Beth

Now, there are some very good people out there that say, hey, you know what? I see the light and I want to give women the option to have treatment and to have it to be effective. There are good people out there. And so, you know, I communicate with them and I write about them and I try to I try to also have people recognize the roadblocks.

00:28:02:05 - 00:28:29:06

Beth

And what are the roadblocks to getting treatment is the word estrogen. You know, because estrogen, it's code for you're not getting what you need. I just so you know, because the hormones of the ovaries specifically estradiol is the estrogen hormone. If you were going to be given estradiol, which is what you need if you for that portion of HRT, then they would see estradiol.

00:28:29:08 - 00:28:54:03

Beth

But if it's not estrogen, while they say estrogen and estrogen is like it's the it's a category. So there's no point. It doesn't mean anything because hormones have their own personality, their own flavor. They do different things. So if you want optimal treatment, you take estradiol. But if they if somebody says estrogen, then they're saying you're getting suboptimal treatment.

00:28:54:05 - 00:28:54:27

Beth

It's code.

00:28:54:27 - 00:29:02:05

Chicava

Yes. So this is probably a good place to segway into the presentation that you want to share.

00:29:02:07 - 00:29:02:17

Beth

Yes.

00:29:02:17 - 00:29:30:29

Chicava

Yes. So we've been dealing with a a misinformation and a miseducation that I think is is starting to clear up. But the the the die is cast for a lot of women and a lot of women have been impacted by getting estrogen and the way the research and the testing has gone. And so, yeah, I'm going to hand it to Beth to take us through this.

00:29:31:02 - 00:29:35:00

Chicava

I guess I read all your stuff, but you know, your stuff.

00:29:35:11 - 00:30:01:08

Beth

yeah. No, I'm happy to share and that's what I'm going to do. So I did it, put together a presentation, and it's about unethical menopausal research and it's short. And so, you know, feel free to interject, please, while I'm talking. You know, that's absolutely fine. So when you see here, I'll do the sharing and you see. Okay.

00:30:01:10 - 00:30:02:23

Chicava

Yes.

00:30:02:25 - 00:30:16:00

Beth

Okay. And I see you two. So that is I just wanted to say that menopausal research is the way to find the best solutions. Recording in progress.

00:30:16:02 - 00:30:27:06

Chicava

I'm sorry, I'm going to ask you to start over again. sure. Because I realized I should just go ahead and record this Zoom on the big fact just in case. All right. Go ahead.

00:30:27:09 - 00:30:54:06

Beth

Okay. All right. So I just I just I wanted to share that this is one of the roadblocks that is placed in front of women. And I just want to bring your attention just to one thing on the side of the first slide. It says bringing transparency and integrity to a hypogonadism hormone treatment and the loss of the ovarian hormones from losing the function of our ovaries.

00:30:54:09 - 00:31:22:06

Beth

Unfortunately, it causes a condition, and the condition is called hypogonadism. Hypo meaning low and gonads are ovaries. So the low hormones of our ovaries and and that is a real condition. And like I explained before, it happens to men, it's the exact same condition because our hormones do the same job. So estradiol does the same job in a man progesterone also and testosterone also.

00:31:22:08 - 00:31:55:15

Beth

So anyway, it's not a long presentation. So the way you see that, it's I think the way to start to understand menopausal research is to look at the goals that we think the goals are. Okay. When somebody says menopausal research, they think, and rightly so, that you're talking about hormone replacement because the ovaries only make hormones. You want to minimize the impact of hypogonadism, which is what's the condition is of low hormone levels, and you want to improve the quality of your life.

00:31:55:17 - 00:32:08:23

Beth

And that is very, very important. And not enough is said about that. You know, you think about HRT and you think, well, it's just replacement. It's going to make me better and I'm going to live a better life.

00:32:08:26 - 00:32:36:19

Chicava

Caesar It's interesting. It's interesting that hypogonadism there as opposed to menopause, because hypogonadism for not to it makes it more universal and human like absolute because menopause, it's like that's woman stuff. But we're we're the we're the primary human I do believe ahead.

00:32:36:22 - 00:33:10:03

Beth

Yeah. So again, we know that hormone replacement can be very successful. We had successful in all different areas of medicine like thyroid cortisol. Diabetes is unbelievably successful. Was the insulin that is used and the products are it's it's in so the the way it's done for all hormone replacements. And we expect this also for menopause research is that the hormone profile is impact of the hormone that can no longer provide the hormone.

00:33:10:03 - 00:33:32:08

Beth

And just one thing I wanted to say, hormones come from inside our bodies, from our organs. Vitamins come from outside our body so we can re nourish ourselves with our vitamins all we want. But once our hormones are no longer available from inside our bodies, we have to go out and get hormones and put them back into our bodies.

00:33:32:13 - 00:34:00:14

Beth

So we. We can't do this on our own. I just wanted to say that that we can't go out and eat different foods and restore our hormone levels. We can help to restore our overall health, but we can't restore specific hormones. So and this is very important to therapeutic levels our need to be identified. And if you're getting medications, you need to, you know, change the dose and maintain those levels.

00:34:00:20 - 00:34:06:11

Beth

And I just want you to keep this in your head. This is the recipe for successful hormone replacement.

00:34:06:11 - 00:34:32:11

Chicava

I want to ask a question here. I brought up to you. There's these, I think, pretty wonderful interrupters in the Internet with hormone replacement therapy that are offering Estrada IL. But I, I haven't gone down full their funnels full enough, but it never seems like they're taking a blood test.

00:34:32:13 - 00:34:33:13

Beth

Right.

00:34:33:16 - 00:35:11:22

Chicava

Right. And so it seems like it's a shade better. But if you don't, I want to know exam actually what I don't I don't I don't want to ffo, I don't want to know and I don't, I don't want to find out the hard way. So we can circle back around to that. But that's another thing. It's like there what I'm seeing is in either supplementation, the one that we know is wonky and wrong and the folks getting it starting to get it right, it's still being dispensed like take a thousand milligrams of vitamin C, right?

00:35:11:25 - 00:35:38:05

Beth

Right. You're absolutely right. You're 100% right. And but we don't want to we don't think in general that they're not being serious about menopause replacement. We want to think that they we want to think that menopausal research is doing all it can. We want to think that. But as you'll see, things are different. So we want to keep that in mind.

00:35:38:05 - 00:36:09:11

Beth

Therapeutic levels and how to maintain that. So our expectations, because we think that they're using the recipe for success, our expectations are that hormone replacement should be as successful as thyroid insulin, cortisol growth hormone, and we call this hormone replacement therapy. And it's the same thing for the other hormones. You you know, you do it According to this successful recipe, we expect menopausal research to mimic the hormones of the ovaries.

00:36:09:17 - 00:36:29:03

Beth

All right. We expect the research from prestigious universities with outstanding reputations to be trustworthy. We expect menopausal research to use technology, modern technology with state of the art equipment. It's very reasonable to expect this. It's very reasonable.

00:36:29:08 - 00:36:42:09

Chicava

However, it's completely reasonable. Do you know, I have a terrific thyroid doctor right now because I am I have a hypothyroid. I go in every 12 weeks to check those levels.

00:36:43:27 - 00:37:13:01

Beth

Well, that's great, because what But there's part of the reason for that is because he has the tools, he has the therapeutic ranges, and he wants you to succeed. He wants you to have all the functions that thyroid can give you. He wants that for you. So but when our expectations are not met and with it menopausal research, we're told we're told that HRT is bad, HRT can't be used for long term.

00:37:13:01 - 00:37:39:06

Beth

This is all doesn't make any sense. HRT for menopause is linked to worse things like heart attacks and strokes. And very importantly, and this is the clue that HRT was not used does not improve quality of life. Now, you know, when you take your thyroid, you feel a lot better. Women do not feel better with this. With menopausal research, with the drugs that they use for that.

00:37:39:13 - 00:38:09:00

Beth

So let's go on. So menopausal research is different from other HRT research, menopausal research does not mimic the ovarian hormones. They believe it or not, there are no therapeutic levels published for estradiol testosterone, progesterone. And when you mention the other people that are doing this and giving it, they made up their own levels based on women that were premenopausal, which makes complete sense.

00:38:09:03 - 00:38:13:16

Beth

But the researchers aren't doing that. The research doesn't do that.

00:38:13:18 - 00:38:40:14

Chicava

I have another question there because, see, if I had my druthers, I would be able to check my levels on a daily basis, like, you know, just to get a baseline because. My estradiol level isn't going to be the same on the first day of my menses. Once I come into ovulation, going to the to Neil and then into it's going to change.

00:38:40:14 - 00:38:48:25

Chicava

So is part of this lazy ness the fact that we're moving targets.

00:38:48:28 - 00:38:49:28

Beth

But like I don't think.

00:38:49:28 - 00:39:20:02

Chicava

It's like kind of in terms of how do you set up a study where, okay, so we want to keep I don't remember the numbers, but say we to keep my thyroid a thyroid number at 300, you know, and we we supplement me to maintain that 300 and that's a steady drumbeat. But with the cycles because of I mean, our ovaries are like getting ready to construct a whole reality month on a set.

00:39:20:08 - 00:39:39:11

Chicava

So there's a big work effort rate going up to ovulation. And then there's the take down the construction site. So those because those levels are fluctuating, I wonder if nobody has been able to wrap their mind around how to do.

00:39:39:12 - 00:39:39:26

Beth

ICI.

00:39:40:02 - 00:39:43:02

Chicava

With the changing of women's tides.

00:39:43:04 - 00:39:45:28

Beth

Well, you see that's a distraction. I'll tell you why.

00:39:46:00 - 00:39:47:01

Chicava

Okay.

00:39:47:03 - 00:40:09:06

Beth

Remember I told you there's two things that the ovaries do. One function is to take an egg, you know, and then it matures. And then to, you know, to the point of ovulation. The other function is to grab a group of eggs and eat and mature them every single day, every moment of the day. That's called ovarian waves.

00:40:09:08 - 00:40:27:03

Beth

Those waves have little change. And that's the focus that the the research should be on. It doesn't have to you don't have to mimic the reproductive cycle. You mimic the ovarian waves. The waves they give you daily health.

00:40:27:06 - 00:41:07:02

Chicava

Wow. Bath you just that. So wow. So then an analogy for it would be like our ovarian wave is the beat, the basic beat in a song. And Ivy elation is a high hat. Is that right? It's an accent. It's an accent. See, that is a different level of understand. Like it makes complete sense. Especially, you know, at the top of our conversation, like growing the understanding that the eggs that you men started today started six months ago so that.

00:41:07:04 - 00:41:12:04

Chicava

Wow, okay, keep it going. Keep it coming.

00:41:12:06 - 00:41:48:15

Beth

Okay. So because this research isn't taken seriously, there is no therapeutic levels identified yet. They still say that HRT was used. They still say that, but it's untrue. So, for instance, the menopausal research that I'm referring to that has created the guidelines for women, you know, as they you know, as they lose function of their ovaries, you know, menopausal women, they don't do the they they do not they're not seeking therapeutic levels.

00:41:48:17 - 00:42:16:01

Beth

They're there. The what they're doing, they're not taking very seriously. So let me continue. And because I'm getting a little bit of head on myself and I'm trying not to. So therapeutic levels are very important and it just they're not identifying them because they're not looking for them. So menopausal research does not seek HRT for ovarian hormones. So menopause research has focused on one drug and why they have done this.

00:42:16:01 - 00:42:28:29

Beth

I have no idea. Premarin has been around for since about 1942 and it comes from the urine of horses. We don't need horses. It's needed.

00:42:28:29 - 00:42:31:12

Chicava

It's totally gross. It's it's pretty gross.

00:42:31:18 - 00:42:45:21

Beth

It's yeah, it's excrement from an animal, and there's no need for it. But there are reasons they do it and they're unsavory reasons. And it's not just because it's excrement. It's because of what is in it and what it does to a woman's body. So before we.

00:42:45:28 - 00:42:50:00

Chicava

Got I feel like you're going to tell me something. GROSS Frankenstein.

00:42:50:02 - 00:43:20:17

Beth

No, no, no, no, no. Nothing like that. No, it's. But it's bad. It's not that, though. Kremlin is now, the FDA is in on this, too. The FDA as approved Premarin as HRT for, you know, is the same thing, which is scientifically impossible because it you have to have estradiol in order to have functional to have to have function.

00:43:20:20 - 00:43:46:15

Beth

And Premarin does not provide that. So the guidelines for treatment are all based on Premarin and it has always failed women's health. Always, always, always. It does not help women get better. It's directly linked to cancer or it directly linked to heart attacks and strokes. And then you have to ask yourself, why did they keep using it? Why don't they just use the bioidentical hormones like everybody else?

00:43:46:18 - 00:44:12:26

Beth

So let me tell you, I okay, I've said here, this is my last slide. Why is it used? no, it's not my slide. It makes no sense. And I'll tell you on my next slide as my last slide, why I think they use it. Premarin is not HRT for ovaries. So why do they use it? Why do they misrepresent it as as HRT?

00:44:12:28 - 00:44:16:13

Beth

So is everything good in.

00:44:16:15 - 00:44:23:22

Chicava

Yes, I'm just playing with my camera set up for when we come back.

00:44:23:24 - 00:44:48:13

Beth

Anyway, I wanted to say that Premarin is not HRT for ovaries and the way they cover that up is they never do blood tests. so I've taken action. I've written petitions. You're welcome to sign them. You can find them on my Web site. And the name of them is demand. The NIH stop doing unethical menopause treatment with Premarin and demand the FDA ban the use of APELIN in equilibrium.

00:44:48:15 - 00:45:02:25

Beth

And this is what I wanted to get into. The reason unethical to use Premarin is because it contains the drug. It's an anti estrogen. It's an anti estradiol drug.

00:45:02:29 - 00:45:05:27

Chicava

This is the equal in my colon.

00:45:05:27 - 00:45:20:27

Beth

Yes. Excellent. Now, excellent. It's so bizarre. This drug is just it's beyond comprehension, to be honest with you, that pollen comes from only it comes from the gonads and the placenta of a fetal horse.

00:45:21:22 - 00:45:32:16

Chicava

I see that. Okay. You didn't understand what I meant when I said, Are you going to say some gross Frankenstein, something like that? That. That's gross Frankenstein.

00:45:32:21 - 00:45:43:20

Beth

Well, well, it gets worse instead of making it in the laboratory. no, they impregnate horses, and so they get the apelin.

00:45:43:23 - 00:45:50:11

Chicava

Don't tell me they impregnate the horse and kill the little baby and take the placenta and make the drug.

00:45:50:14 - 00:46:28:15

Beth

Not quite. They do kill the baby, though. And they they take the drug and they just yes, they create a 100,000 baby foals a year. 100,000. There's 100,000 horses making this urine gallon. Millions and gallons. Millions of gallons of urine. I it's it's beyond comprehension. It really is. And that is what the NIH uses on women. Instead of estradiol, instead of identifying a therapeutic range.

00:46:28:16 - 00:47:00:21

Beth

Only when Premarin is used. Never any blood tests. No, but there's it says let me see for the for menopausal research, the hormone replacement recipe of success would be to this is my view of research. This was transparency and integrity in research, you would need to mimic the hormonal profile of the ovaries, but obviously they're not doing it if they don't do blood tests because their goal is not to improve women's health.

00:47:00:25 - 00:47:23:15

Beth

It's it's it's to make you think their goal is to improve women's health so that and that is a bigger problem and that's why I've written a letter which I sent recently to the NIH, to the there's an office that handles scientific misconduct and I sent it to them and we'll see what they say. They got back to me.

00:47:23:21 - 00:47:47:03

Beth

They said, we'll look into this. So we'll see in order for CRU menopausal research to move forward, you have to mimic the profile of the ovaries, which cannot be done with Premarin. You have to document the therapeutic range, which there is none. And I know it's hard to believe, but if you Google therapeutic range of estradiol, you'll get all different kinds of things.

00:47:47:03 - 00:48:25:19

Beth

But none of them from studies, none of them you'll get Web sites. Not one study has ever done that you'll in in order to be therapeutic, has to stay in the therapeutic range. It has to, because if our hormone levels are too low or too high, we get sick. That's just a human fact. So but there's no testing at all with Premarin and document document symptoms disappear and quality of life is restored and I'm talking all symptoms, all of them because it's the ovaries do it's a set number of things in your body.

00:48:25:22 - 00:48:38:29

Beth

It's like your thyroid replacement If you have if it's truly thyroid replacement, all the things that thyroid does for you, you will get back. You will get that back. But that is not the goal then.

00:48:38:29 - 00:48:44:27

Chicava

So I got to say that they don't quite have that right either, but it's a little further along.

00:48:44:29 - 00:49:04:25

Beth

Right? it's much further along. First of all, they use it. I'm hoping they use bioidentical, which they probably do. And but well, there's others, but they're they're trying at least they're trying and they're recognizing you need it for the length of your life. Well, you just the way your body function doesn't change.

00:49:04:27 - 00:49:25:04

Chicava

You know what's interesting with the the correlating it with thyroid, because it's mostly women that are impacted by thyroid disorders, too. So. yes, the big leap forward that's been happening recently is that it's this one that I take called Tiara Sent and it's like,

00:49:25:07 - 00:49:26:18

Beth

Tears and sure, I know tears.

00:49:26:19 - 00:49:59:00

Chicava

Yeah, it is clean. So they told me I had and I I'm going with it but I'm doing things for myself too because they'll give me a teeth four and at3 and never talk about T one and two, but like the body. So I've been researching how to get my t one and two. But when I was diagnosed as Hashimoto's at, at puberty, which I also think like all these, the hormones are a symphony.

00:49:59:03 - 00:50:00:29

Beth

Yes they are.

00:50:01:02 - 00:50:06:06

Chicava

And they initially put me on something like a level.

00:50:06:08 - 00:50:08:22

Beth

And sure.

00:50:08:25 - 00:50:37:21

Chicava

I, I at the time I just kind of didn't comply because I knew that I took it. I didn't feel good. And so then through various moments in my life, like decade upon decade, I go to a new doctor there. I just stopped taking thyroid medication for a number of decades. And wow, Well, I kind of adopted an attitude where what happens if my body functions, how my body does what it like.

00:50:37:25 - 00:51:03:16

Chicava

I I'm a pretty I'm a healthy, sturdy girl. And I went to a new doctor. This was about ten, 15 years ago. And she did the just try it. What happened? What happens when you take level? I'm like I need I have a nervous. She's like, No, you won't. That won't happen because no, doctors don't like to prescribe armor.

00:51:03:16 - 00:51:33:12

Chicava

They basically write run armor out of business. You know, they the doctor will give you the spiel of it's not steady the dosage. Right. So literally, I'm like, okay, I'll try it again. I left that doctor's office. I picked up the the prescription. I went back to my cubicle. I took the prescription within a half an hour. I got the doctor on the phone and I sat and I was falling apart.

00:51:33:12 - 00:52:29:26

Chicava

And I said, See, I told you that this drug makes my life fall apart. Like I am just complete nervous breakdown. And so until you get enough agency to associate it with the pill. And finally, so if that was 15, it took this 1520 years for enough women to say this level, crap is making us crazy. You keep telling us it's all in our head, but it only happens when we take this pill, which is how Terrascend came to be, because it is basically and with with thyroiditis you can develop or it can come along with a gluten allergy that level.

00:52:29:26 - 00:52:46:00

Chicava

So it was like a homeopathic dose of like the nastiest, whatever gluten all of us women could not tolerate seems to be what they were binding that pill together with.

00:52:46:02 - 00:52:54:23

Beth

Interesting. Yeah, I've heard good things about Tyrus and that's why I said so many people I know were on tears because I believe it's no dyes and no alcohols, no preservatives.

00:52:54:24 - 00:53:00:05

Chicava

It's. Yeah, it's it's a cleaned up. It's a real cleaned up thing because that.

00:53:00:05 - 00:53:00:13

Beth

Yeah.

00:53:01:28 - 00:53:27:18

Chicava

because it's already with the, the thyroid hormones when they go funny your brain goes funny too and it's you, but it's a drug so you get on it and the first couple days like it's great and you guys, it kind of has kind of like a steroid effect or college affected for sure. Like, Right. I clearly didn't do that.

00:53:27:20 - 00:53:30:26

Chicava

And then for some people lasts longer, but I would just crash.

00:53:30:26 - 00:53:37:06

Beth

I well, I think it's great that you're getting such good relief of the tears since. I think that's wonderful.

00:53:37:09 - 00:53:38:25

Chicava

It's good.

00:53:38:27 - 00:53:39:09

Beth

Yeah.

00:53:39:10 - 00:54:12:21

Chicava

I'm super interested in finding something. I want a full profile because I don't believe I believe my doctor believes what she was taught and is taking care of me to the best of what she learned. But right, the the concept of, like, breaking through walls, like I told my gynecologist, I'm like, you need to read Preventing menopause. She's like, What are you talking about?

00:54:12:23 - 00:54:36:11

Chicava

And there's a side of it where they love innovation because I'm still like dancing with I forgot to have a kid and my doctor loves to be like, I can get you pregnant. We can do that. You know, like she's so right there, but she can't do the simple things. We have it. We have a crisis of simplicity.

00:54:36:14 - 00:55:10:20

Beth

Yes. And, you know, it's it's a lack of tools. And and I think it's just you got to step back for a minute and wonder why. It's not just that we we can't be better advocates for ourselves. We're not given the tools to be better advocates for ourselves. And that's part of your doctor, too. She doesn't have the tools to be your advocate because like when I was going over very quickly, I went over this research and and I don't know if it really implanted in you really the depth of dismissal of women's rights to state of the art technology.

00:55:10:20 - 00:55:17:29

Beth

And that's being completely dismissed. So it's state of the art technology isn't being used. Your doctor can't use that information.

00:55:18:02 - 00:56:01:05

Chicava

Right, because your doc feels saying to her and you know, she sees I don't know, what does she see 300 people a week and do research and do networking. Yeah. So the to interrupt the path she's on is, is very challenging thing. So we have the the FDA premiere and and that's a big push but also when you when you hop on Instagram I am if they know your age they're like tri Winona tri city trip India right so and it and it seems like progress but it's a little you know it's a little strangers in the night then it's kind of hormone replacement therapy.

00:56:01:07 - 00:56:12:25

Chicava

I see the benefits of it, but I also. that it's is it a cash grab? Is it a good thing? What's going on, in your opinion?

00:56:12:27 - 00:56:32:24

Beth

I think it's more simple. You said. I think it's simple. You have it and you know, it bothers some people that I say this. And and that's part of the reason why I think people don't really they let me put it this way. When you're suffering from profound hypogonadism, you want relief when you haven't crossed into it yet.

00:56:32:24 - 00:56:57:25

Beth

You don't understand how deep that swamp is. So I think it's a good thing. It's a good thing that those places are there. I looked at the one on a website. I thought that was really great. I thought it was well done and and the other one, The other one, the other two were also very good. I didn't understand the purpose of of suggesting Premarin because it makes no sense scientifically.

00:56:57:27 - 00:57:30:21

Beth

But it's a disease. Profound hypogonadism is a disease and it starts at a young age. It starts at age three, approximately age 37, when your ovaries are recruiting too many eggs because it's your body is saying we need our ovarian hormones. And the reason you're recruiting so many extra eggs is because your brain, your pituitary, has sensors in it, and it's seeing that the levels are lower because the DHEA isn't contributing to the whole plot anymore.

00:57:30:24 - 00:57:33:24

Beth

There's only one way to keep that up, and that's use more eggs.

00:57:34:01 - 00:57:34:14

Chicava

So we're.

00:57:34:14 - 00:57:35:02

Beth

Using.

00:57:35:04 - 00:57:41:12

Chicava

Eggs for bodily functions and for baby making. Yes, I.

00:57:41:12 - 00:57:42:03

Beth

Need.

00:57:42:09 - 00:57:58:12

Chicava

All the women to put a pin in this. You're using your ovaries, those little little ovaries that trickle down. They're not all just coming through your fallopian tube lodged in your uterus to get rinsed out once a month.

00:58:18:12 - 00:58:30:17

Chicava

There. They they're taking other assignments. So if we're out of equilibrium, where we're we're we're spending down our savings account without replenishing.

00:58:30:19 - 00:58:53:14

Beth

That's exactly right. And your body is telling you if you really want to know it, Mother Nature is telling you your body is saying we need these levels to function. And that. But then when you run out of your your fuel, then you have to supply it yourself. But that's where the research comes in, because research should do like all the other research.

00:58:53:14 - 00:59:17:25

Beth

It just should document that. Yes, premenopausal levels are the levels you need. That's all there is to it. But they run away from it and they use words like estrogen, which is code for not we're not going to do it. And and even testosterone, the FDA has approved it for men, but not for women, because somehow women, you know, they don't rate.

00:59:17:28 - 00:59:50:04

Beth

And, you know, one of the prime functions of testosterone and this is proven, this isn't just me just putting a few facts together. This is proven. Testosterone prevents breast cancer. It's a fact when that is why men have so little breast cancer. And so but they won't if women had access to testosterone, it would change the entire landscape of women's health, women's opportunity for maintaining their relationships, their career, their health options, their journey.

00:59:50:06 - 01:00:09:22

Beth

And but women can't get there. If the NIH and the FDA do not take serious sleep. How how important the ovaries are. But even when you look at men's health and they have approved testosterone for men, it's bioidentical. There's therapeutic ranges.

01:00:09:24 - 01:00:12:20

Chicava

There's no question about it. They know what they're doing.

01:00:12:23 - 01:00:38:27

Beth

They well, almost for gestural. It's almost there. But they're they're way ahead of women. But the idea is in the back of the mind of many women and these researchers is what's the difference? You're not meant to have ovarian function. What's the difference? You know, it's like the attitude of having hysterectomy and taking out women's ovaries. I mean, it's so.

01:00:39:00 - 01:00:46:09

Beth

So they hit menopause earlier than later. It's this lackadaisical attitude towards women. Well, it.

01:00:46:11 - 01:00:51:17

Chicava

It's very patriarchal. I mean, it takes us out of commission.

01:00:51:19 - 01:00:52:22

Beth

Yes, absolutely.

01:00:52:29 - 01:01:28:11

Chicava

It's it and it's a fundamental it's it's the ultimate get because it is fundamentally affecting a broad spectrum of women. But you're in your room alone thinking it's only you. What is wrong with you? We're so we're so conditioned to think the problem is us. Like it's something with me. Everybody else can handle it as opposed to this kind of, you know, I am just like everybody else.

01:01:28:11 - 01:02:00:15

Chicava

I am just as good as everybody else. I deserve to feel good. We get. It's this is just an exhausting, epic and sensation to be a woman. And I ready for some big changes around here. Speaking of which, tell me, what's the dream word? What's your vision for? Like, how women's health care goes? What resources? What? Yeah.

01:02:00:17 - 01:02:32:10

Beth

Ideally, women would. Women's health will be appreciated for what it is, and women would have educational access to their to know more about their bodies, to have protocols available for doctors to use to monitor. If a woman wants that. If you want to be monitored and you want optimal ovarian health and you want it for the duration of your life, you should have that with the state of the art, drugs and technology.

01:02:32:12 - 01:03:03:22

Beth

And one thing that's very important, I've talked many times about recruiting eggs. And when we recruit eggs, we're told that we need to have babies by the time we're 35 or 40, because we don't we don't have access to the eggs that are left. If our hormones were sub, if our ovaries were maintained in a healthy way, theoretically, and I think it's easy enough to figure out we would reduce birth defects and we would be able to have babies well into our forties.

01:03:03:24 - 01:03:29:11

Beth

And I don't think it's any if we're going to live into our nineties, we should be able to have babies later on, later than 35 or 40 because we're just creating our lives for ourselves. There is a not appreciation for women building their careers the way it is for men building their careers. So if a man is a baby of 43 or 45, so what will a woman who can have that?

01:03:29:13 - 01:03:58:23

Beth

But it's not appreciated. The women's contribution to society is simply not appreciated. And and Mother Nature is telling us just how to appreciate her health. And so when this nonsense grandmother theory comes out, it's just manipulation. It's just a diversion. My ideal health care scenario would be a woman can live her life on her terms, and I.

01:03:58:25 - 01:03:59:01

Chicava

Think.

01:03:59:07 - 01:04:00:14

Beth

It should be the way it should be.

01:04:00:14 - 01:04:30:13

Chicava

We love it. We didn't touch on my favorite dream, my favorite thing, and what I think is the forefront of this is the ovarian rejuvenation, which they like to reserve for when you're going to and I'm all for motherhood. I think it's fabulous. But they they're not talking to us about this. To me, this is the ideal because my body will know what to do with my plasma and where we need it, and so on and so forth.

01:04:30:15 - 01:04:54:13

Chicava

Will you share with us about that? Because I bet a lot. Yes. So basically, ladies, yes, you can get a very organic facelift for your ovaries, a little whatever whatever you're doing on your face, if you're getting a little, what do we call it, like restolin fillers, that type thing, you could actually just use your plasma. You could feed yourself plasma.

01:04:54:16 - 01:04:56:03

Chicava

Go ahead and get that wrong.

01:04:56:05 - 01:05:18:15

Beth

Well, there's there's different ways of doing it. The way I suggested doing it was supplementing the ovaries as they age, give them what they need. So the eggs last longer. That's one way and the other another way is this rejuvenation. There's different methods to create more eggs and to have them available so the ovaries can continue to work.

01:05:18:15 - 01:05:45:01

Beth

The ovaries know how to work just fine on their own. They just need eggs to do their work. So there's different methods of doing it. But one of the roadblocks in getting that is cost. And also they're basically only giving it to older reproductive of women, like women in their middle thirties to late thirties, and they're not really trying to help women who want to like my age.

01:05:45:04 - 01:06:05:24

Beth

If I wanted ovarian function, they absolutely would not try to. I could not I don't have access to that kind of technology. And I think that the technology should be available to everyone. I'm not saying that everybody wants to be fertile at this age. I don't I don't want to be fertile, but it's not up to someone else.

01:06:05:24 - 01:06:30:08

Beth

I think my health is my health and I and believe it or not, women my age can bear a child. And then, you know, they brings up ethical questions, well, who's going to raise the child? And, you know, you have to think about those things, too. But think about long ago, if you want to look at Mother Nature, you know, women only live till about 40 and they may have had small children and that wasn't an optimal situation.

01:06:30:11 - 01:06:46:05

Beth

But I think that these are questions that can be tackled. So even if you say, okay, we'll do ovarian rejuvenation for you, but we'll make it so you're infertile, and that's a very possible thing to do. So you tie your tubes or, you know.

01:06:46:10 - 01:07:09:29

Chicava

I mean, that that I would you know, the patriarchy will serve it up as the only option. I could see. Let's say it like this. If we're 40, 50, 60, hack over 35, we've probably figured out how to not get pregnant when we don't want to get pregnant. We don't need to help with that. But does does.

01:07:10:01 - 01:07:22:26

Beth

Is it's one of the ways they stop you. They'll say, well, you're too old. You may get pregnant. It's just ways to stop women from restoring their health does. There are ways, but I think rejuvenation is a great idea.

01:07:22:27 - 01:07:27:08

Chicava

Does it up level? Your estradiol does. What is.

01:07:27:08 - 01:07:38:03

Beth

It? Well, if you have the ovarian waves and you'll use them every moment of the day to it's not just estradiol. You have ten times more testosterone than estradiol. What?

01:07:38:05 - 01:08:11:03

Chicava

It'll give you everything. It'll give you all the things. Wow. Things. Because how does that equal Librium I would love in the future. I would love for someone to really make a gestalt Ian all encompassing look at hormones because it's like we have the diabetes doctor over here on the insulin. We have our adrenaline, we got the cortisol, we've got the thyroid we've got and they're a symphony.

01:08:12:03 - 01:08:43:12

Chicava

And I think there's something just I keep getting the image of in, in Chinese medicine in Dallas and there's a five element theory and how you know, your spleen and your stomach are over there in charge of the insulin, your kidneys are in charge of the adrenalin, all of this, the symphony of how the organs work together is, I suspect, hormonal.

01:08:43:15 - 01:08:47:14

Beth

Yes, it is. That's how they communicate. Hormones communicate.

01:08:47:16 - 01:09:04:17

Chicava

So just like I went to the foot doctor to get my foot checked, but the pain goes up to my ankle. I need the ankle, Doctor. It's completely ridiculous. Like. Like the foot doctor skipped ankle class. You know.

01:09:04:19 - 01:09:28:07

Beth

Now it's true. We're very careful in medicine. We're very compartmentalized. And, you know, there should be ovarian hormone specialists like we have immunology gists and we have rheumatologists. We should have somebody that understands ovary or just gonadal function men and women's gonads because they're so similar. You know, they make the same hormones, they do the same jobs. They just have different amounts.

01:09:28:10 - 01:09:57:02

Beth

So one, you know, we look more feminine and men look more masculine. So but it's just the hormones do the same thing. Testosterone, it protects us women from breast cancer. It's a fact. And it protects men from breast cancer. So I guess you're it's a good point where to compartmentalize, but there's nobody covering ovaries. So I don't go to the gynecologist and they're like, well, what's the quickest thing I can give you?

01:09:57:05 - 01:09:58:19

Beth

It's serious business.

01:09:58:19 - 01:10:04:19

Chicava

There's a lot of quickness to it. There's a lot of it. And that's that.

01:10:04:22 - 01:10:05:19

Beth

They don't have the.

01:10:05:22 - 01:10:41:29

Chicava

The the product driven, the consumer capitalist nature of it all. Medicine is a product and even like. dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear. But I want for women to intimately understand these waves and these cycles. And I mentioned to you last time we were chatting about these, these monitoring, these body monitoring devices looks a little Frankenstein for me, but I'm like, if you people are doing that to monitor their insulin, their blood sugar, their heart rate, it's like.

01:10:42:01 - 01:10:46:20

Chicava

So it's just another couple of keystrokes.

01:10:47:21 - 01:11:26:02

Chicava

To add in this, you know, maybe I'm philosophically I wonder if it's just like an existential angst of dealing with the primordial nature of your over like the the unmoved mover. Like, we can't take it. You know what I mean? It's like, what? There's something in the psyche that isn't in the collective, that isn't ready to dive down down in there yet or is blocking us.

01:11:26:04 - 01:11:46:07

Beth

I think we just have so many roadblocks we give up. That's that's what I think. And I just think that if we were just left to our own devices and said, Well, I don't feel well and I want to feel better, this is how I can do it, then that would be fine. You know, like, let me give you an example why I think medicine doesn't regress in this way.

01:11:46:09 - 01:12:05:03

Beth

I get access to the scans, you know, you check and see where your bones are at. And they're useless because I have the bone density of a 20 year old. So I don't have osteoporosis. I never had it. Never had osteopenia. And. And. But that means I don't take their drugs. It means I don't have to go to their doctors.

01:12:05:06 - 01:12:20:11

Beth

I mean, and when I have a surgery, you know, like I've had spine surgery, then the guy's like, Hey, this is great. I don't have to worry about you. I don't have to get additional, you know, imaging on you or anything. You can just go straight to P.T. and then you'll be fine.

01:12:20:15 - 01:12:21:20

Chicava

Right? So.

01:12:21:23 - 01:12:45:12

Beth

You know, it just I think that a lot of it just comes down to dollars and that we're just discouraged from treatment because believe me when I tell you the niche and the research group said that do this work with menopausal women, they know full well that it's hypogonadism. They're dealing with, but they want to make that make but influenced women to believe that, this is a normal natural process.

01:12:45:12 - 01:12:52:20

Beth

Just walk away from it and you will accept it. Meanwhile, you have chronic, profound hypogonadism and it's taking its toll on you.

01:12:52:22 - 01:12:55:06

Chicava

That they're telling us it's our fate.

01:12:55:09 - 01:13:00:03

Beth

Right? Right. It's yeah. It's a rite of passage to be sick for the rest of your life.

01:13:00:05 - 01:13:01:05

Chicava

Yes.

01:13:01:07 - 01:13:26:20

Beth

To feel your pain in this region. Yeah. So you know what you're seeing. I see what you're saying. It's just collectively, it's. It's just we don't have the information and we don't have the I don't want to say personal power, but we don't have the advocacy for ourselves because we don't have the tools. And these tools are actively kept from us by using words like estrogen, which sounds great.

01:13:26:22 - 01:13:53:22

Beth

And when it comes from a place like the NIH or other universities and and specific researchers too, that have very impressive resume and reputations. So we believe them. We believe them, and we should. But it's not reputable what they're saying. It's not. And then that's why I wrote the letter to the NIH, and I clearly outlined it and I'll put it I'll post it on my website soon.

01:13:53:25 - 01:14:15:21

Beth

The letter, because I told them I was posting it. I'm all for transparency. And that's something that we don't have as women. We don't have the ability to have transparency because we're not given the opportunity. We've been deceived with the misrepresentation. So then where do you go from there? There's no place to go. You don't have the tools to move forward.

01:14:15:24 - 01:14:37:15

Chicava

Well, it's going to be a reckoning, but in the days to come, in the years and days to come, as it's, you know what? You know how it goes when you find out you've been got when a whole you know, we're like, you've been lied to us for all time. Not part of the time, the whole time.

01:14:37:18 - 01:14:43:24

Beth

But I think part of the reason they don't really care is because they think we don't care as women.

01:14:43:26 - 01:14:57:24

Chicava

Well, we've accepted it. We're in a complacency. We think this is just the way it is. It was this way for my grandma. It was this way for my aunt. My mom. This is a woman. They it it's a learned helplessness that we have to.

01:14:58:02 - 01:14:59:01

Beth

It's exactly right.

01:14:59:01 - 01:15:18:20

Chicava

Break out of. So what's up next? You were doing a new edition of the book. We have a petition we're going to share. We're about we're getting ladies, It's time and men who love us and everybody else in between. It's time to, like, come yell on the mountaintop.

01:15:18:22 - 01:15:44:23

Beth

Yeah, I think right now. Well, I have another book I've written. It's called Menopause Manipulated No More, and it's not available yet. It's still being edited. Lots of editing. I'm starting a YouTube channel. Yep. And my first one, we're shooting it. I think it's in two weeks. And the first one is about the fact that we're not actually menopausal.

01:15:44:24 - 01:15:46:27

Beth

Our ovaries were menopausal.

01:15:49:23 - 01:16:12:14

Beth

And that's very important because it's much harder to dismiss ovaries as a functioning organ than it is a woman with symptoms. So, you know, it's, it's very, it lots of people and they're trained to just dismiss women with their symptoms. But you can't dismiss an important organ that is, you know, that has come to fail. So yeah, that's my first YouTube.

01:16:12:14 - 01:16:33:06

Beth

So that's what I'm doing next. And I would say just understand that, you know, our ovaries are extremely important organs and don't let anybody tell you otherwise and do it step wise. Just learn one thing at a time and then incorporate it into your being and then learn another thing. So the first thing is the ovaries are important.

01:16:33:09 - 01:16:59:20

Beth

They provide important function all the time, from morning till night, every single day, every moment. Your ovaries are working hard for you and when you don't have them anymore, then you have an illness. And it's not a right of passage. It's an illness. And it can be treated just like any other hormone deficiency. It's really straightforward. A lot of energy has gone into misrepresenting treatment options, a lot of energy.

01:16:59:22 - 01:17:09:02

Beth

And so just recognize that. So that's that's all I would say. And if you want to learn the name of it, it's profound hypogonadism. So it's a mouthful.

01:17:09:04 - 01:17:11:24

Chicava

Profound. It's hypogonadism.

01:17:11:26 - 01:17:40:09

Beth

Right? And perimenopause is hypogonadism. So as perimenopause worsens, it becomes profound hypogonadism. It's a spectrum. It sides on a borderline. So it's not it doesn't just happen. It's the ovaries are great until about age 30, and then they start to, you know, work harder and harder, you know, and then they eventually die. And that is life. Our organs will eventually die.

01:17:40:09 - 01:18:02:14

Beth

All of our organs. But we're not just going to sit by. I mean, it's like our eyes by the time we're 50, we need glasses to see, you know, to read in it, to say all people over 50 can't read anymore, you know, know you got old. You can't you don't know. Reading glasses aren't for you. They're only for the young.

01:18:02:16 - 01:18:02:25

Chicava

30.

01:18:02:25 - 01:18:04:28

Beth

Five. There you go. You get the reading glasses.

01:18:05:00 - 01:18:37:22

Chicava

Wow. So a bullet point in there is for our women in their teens and twenties is to start to think about, you know, this is this is we are here so you don't have to be so that as you sitting here hearing this at 25, start thinking about this ovarian wave, the constancy that your ovaries, just like your heart, never misses a beat.

01:18:37:22 - 01:19:03:06

Chicava

It never takes it takes off your ovaries are here every second. Your liver is working every second. Start integrating that idea and revering your ovaries beyond blessed babies you may make, but for yourself. First, essentially. Right? Love your take care of your ovaries for yourself first.

01:19:03:08 - 01:19:13:12

Beth

Right? It's exactly right. That's exactly right. It's not it's not about reproduction. Only reproduction. It's absolutely right. You have to take care of your body, right?

01:19:13:17 - 01:19:17:05

Chicava

We are not a piece of real estate, but a.

01:19:17:08 - 01:19:19:05

Beth

Very well said.

01:19:19:07 - 01:19:48:06

Chicava

I yeah, I think Patrick real estate and the real estate industry and patriarchy. Same, same. Very same, same, you know. Wow. Thank you so much, Beth. So tell us the name of your website. And did you name your YouTube channel? Let us know how to find you. And y'all, this is the beginning of set of conversations. I can't wait to be up on your YouTube and see what you're talking about.

01:19:48:08 - 01:20:05:15

Beth

Well, my website is Diamond, like the Gem Diamond Research Foundation, and it's abbreviated as the word diamond, an R and F for Research Foundation, dawg. And the YouTube channel will be called menopause. Manipulated? No more.

01:20:05:20 - 01:20:17:10

Chicava

I love it. I love it when things are on the nose. It's going to be so busy. Yes, I'm so excited. Great. Thank you so much.

01:20:17:12 - 01:20:26:23

Beth

Thank you to Jacob. I really appreciate the invite and the stimulating discussion. And I love that that you see the whole picture. You appreciate it and you want to share it.

01:20:27:02 - 01:21:00:23

Chicava

yeah, That's wonderful. yeah. And I'm going to get my little my little shekels in a row so I can get my ovarian rejuvenation. No. Yeah. There's another thing where it's like I. I started on this asking I'm for full transparency world. I'm in the middle of a job hunt. So the this ovarian rejuvenation thing is like low in 1500 high end 5000 there because there's we on the baby making end of being a woman, this big business of getting you pregnant.

01:21:01:06 - 01:21:36:08

Chicava

my goodness. You know, you need a whole other job for this. So the entry points. But I did call people and say, I don't know if I want to go on that journey, but I know I want this. And like two places were okay with it that like because there's going to see I see a time so much for goodbyes Beth that always that's like this but I see a time I see a world where we have these women's centers where you just go get your rejuvenation because that's essentially what you're saying.

01:21:36:08 - 01:22:04:23

Chicava

We're going to that we need we need to put it back into ourselves. And we haven't we didn't break it down. But for you folks. So ovarian rejuvenation is a PRB plasma. What is a platelet rich plasma? So what happens is it's just like a regular blood draw. They take your blood, they put it in a machine and spin it around so it pulls out the plasma.

01:22:04:26 - 01:22:31:24

Chicava

If you maybe have had knee problems hip, they they do it a lot with joints and injuries because it's the human growth hormone that you make. So instead of treating your tennis elbow, you can have it inserted directly into your ovaries or at the base of your cervix into your vagina. And, you know, when old friends see each other again, the magic starts to happen.

01:22:31:24 - 01:23:08:21

Chicava

But I see a time when there's just places that women go for that, you know, And in the practices, it's it's very fascinating to in the realm of Dallas practices I practice universal healing DAO ovarian kung fu and there's white tigress practices around it because breast massage keeps the hormones going. Yoni egg work keeps the elements going focused intentional breathwork like starting to dance the highway, the pinball machine or whatever of your body.

01:23:08:23 - 01:23:29:22

Chicava

It keeps everybody talking. So I want to build a world where we have places women can go and get the education, the tools to take care of themselves at home, and these little noninvasive treatments to give yourself the elixir in you.

01:23:29:25 - 01:23:33:20

Beth

Yeah, I think it's wonderful. I applaud you.

01:23:33:22 - 01:23:39:00

Chicava

Thank you. Will you finance it? I got it.

01:23:39:02 - 01:23:41:04

Beth

I not there.

01:23:41:04 - 01:23:51:02

Chicava

Yet. No, I know, right. I, I say that and I'm like, you know, that's probably my most Silicon Valley worthy idea.

01:23:51:18 - 01:23:52:04

Beth

I like it.

01:23:52:09 - 01:24:18:10

Chicava

Yeah. Well, I'm always starting something new in my brain. But anyway, I digress. Thank you so much. And I look forward to many more conversations. And even more than that, I look forward to people being your name, being on so many people's lips, and I just want you to be included as we see these big conversations that famous and fancy people are having.

01:24:18:10 - 01:24:21:11

Chicava

And I want to see you included in those.

01:24:21:22 - 01:24:22:22

Beth

thank you.

01:24:22:24 - 01:24:26:01

Chicava

Thank you. Have a great day.

01:24:26:03 - 01:24:28:15

Beth

Thank you. You too. Bye. Take care, Chicava.