Personality & the Power of Showing Up

In this warm and honest conversation, designer Bhavini Lakhani from B81 Designs joins Ange on Creatives Like Us to talk about confidence, creative identity, and the joy of print. The two friends explore the value of leaning into your natural strengths, showing up on platforms like LinkedIn even when it feels exposing, and why saying no to a job that doesn’t align can open the door to the right kind of work. Bhavini shares her journey from colourful Peter Rabbit statues to publishing her own design book, alongside reflections on freelancing, raising a family, and staying true to your creative instincts. 

With laughter, vulnerability, and mutual admiration, this episode is a love letter to print design, the magic of good clients, and the ongoing challenge of being visible as a creative. Whether you’re new to freelancing or need a reminder that lurking followers can become future collaborators, Bhavini’s story will leave you inspired. 

Resources and Links 

Bhavini’s Website
www.b81designs.com

Bhavini on Instagram
@b81designs

Bhavini on LinkedIn
Bhavini Lakhani – B81 Designs

Bhavini’s Book – Wise Words
Available on Amazon via Kindle Direct Publishing (Print-on-Demand):
Wise Words by Bhavini – Amazon UK https://amzn.eu/d/94q5lfj

Join us for the:
Creatives Like Us EVENT
A collaborative knowledge sharing and networking event for Black and Brown Creatives who run their own businesses
Thursday 19th June 2025
16.30 - 8.30 pm, London

Tickets are available here:
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Chapters

• 0:00 00:00 Introduction to Bhavini's Journey
• 6:04 Current Projects and Client Relationships
• 12:00 Future Aspirations and Branding Projects
• 19:22 The Power of Social Media Stories
• 25:38 Overcoming Insecurities in Self-Promotion
• 32:37 The Journey of Writing a Book

Transcript

Bhavini  0:00  
I think I would tell myself to just overlook the fear of something and just do it anyway, so that I could build on confidence when I was a teenager,

Designing, say, for example, a brand identity, and then you want to show that off, because you want to show people what you've worked on, because it might be something that they're interested in or in need of now or in the future. But design is really subjective, isn't it, and it makes you feel quite vulnerable when you start sharing your work, because you automatically think what nobody likes it. What if somebody criticizes it? What if somebody tells me it's terrible and I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing.

Angela Lyons  0:44  
Hello. Before today's episode, I wanted to let you know about the creatives like us event, which is happening on June 19, 2025 creatives like us is a collaborative knowledge sharing and networking event for Black, Brown creatives who run their own businesses. And here's what our first attendees said about our first sold out event in February this year. They were inspired, and they felt that I had genuinely wanted everyone in the room to succeed and navigate their own success journey as well. Another one said, brilliant. One of the best networking events I've been to as a creative introvert. It really does show that not all networking has to look a certain way, and you just need to find spaces that are for me, for creatives like us. I love that one. Thank you. So yeah, I just wanted to let you know that the tickets are now available. You can go to www creatives like us, event.airbasmarketing.com

or easier search for us on Eventbrite. Search for creatives like us, actually, both of them are going to be in the show notes, so I hope to see you. Then if you've got any questions, please DM me

again. The information how to contact me is in the show notes. And so we'd love to see you at the creative like us event part two. Us two in Shoreditch in London, and that's in June 19. But as I said, it is ticketed, and we have a limited amount of tickets, so we'd love to see you there. So that's it from me for now, let's get into the episode.

Hello and welcome to creatives like us, where I speak with creatives of color, who share journeys and stories and ideas and how they can inspire and open up avenues in creative industries. I'm your host, graphic designer ANGELA LYONS, and with the help of my guests, I will bring you insightful interviews and compelling stories that can inspire you to think about things differently or shape your next move. Being a creative of color can bring its challenges highs and lows and in betweens, but this podcast is about amplifying our voices and celebrating together. So are you ready? Let's get started with creatives like us.

Angela
Hello and welcome to creatives like us. And today I'm with Bhavini, and I'm really excited to talk to her. She's a graphic designer, but I'll let her tell you about what she does and who she is. So bavini, over to you.

Bhavini

Hello. I'm Bhavini. I'm a graphic designer, and I love working on brand identities and print design. So magazines, brochures, some exhibition graphics and business station, brilliant. Thank you. And I'd love to know how you actually got started for everything because and your business, because you have been a graphic designer for a few years now, is that right? And your own business now? So how did it all start? How did you start your graphic design career?

Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you, like, a very short version of that history. When I was little at nursery, we got given statues of Peter Rabbit to color in, and I colored mine in, in every paint color you can imagine, and took it home and proudly showed it to my mom, and I was like, Look what I've done. And a week later, she painted over it in white. I have to say, that sounds tragic. Yeah,

I know it's stayed with me, and for years, this rabbit statue was in this display cabinet, right? But my love for color didn't go and I think that was, that was my earliest memory of bold, bright colors and creating something. And I think from then, it's just grown. And I went to uni and studied visual comms, stroke, graphic design, and then I got started working at a local boutique agency in mills and kings. After I left that agency, I moved to London. It was this whole I want to work in central London. I want to go to work on the tube, because it's cool. It wasn't cool, and it was very hot and very annoying after about a week. But I did it, and I did I did some maternity cover for a recruitment agency, and I was in their marketing department, and I was doing all the design work. So I did that for 18 months, and then the person that I was covering for came back. So I moved on to another job where I was an in house designer for an SEO agency.

Redundancy, and then I fell pregnant, and when I was due to go back, after my first mat leave finished, I found out that my design role was no longer available. I did get offered a web design role, or voluntary redundancy, and I like web design. I've spoken to you about this before. Yeah, you know, it's not something that interests me. So I took the voluntary redundancy in 2011

It was October 2011 and I've been freelancing since,

Angela Lyons  5:33  
brilliant, brilliant. I love the fact that you actually said I've got offered another role, but I just that wasn't me at all. Because some people might have felt like they might have because you've been made redundant. Think, oh my god, I just need to get a job. Anything. I just take anything. But you knew that that wasn't for you. And you have a love of I've looked at your portfolio, and obviously I'll link the show notes in there. But you have a love of prints, and I can see that in your work and your work, you can tell that. I can tell that you actually love being quite tactile with paper, yes, putting your bold colors out and just anything around paper, really, I think that's where you show it in your design. Whereas it could have been quite easy to go and say, oh, yeah, I'll just have a web design job, not just a website job, because we know it's important, but just to have that job, just to be

Bhavini  6:14  
secure, yeah, really could have, especially when you've got a one year old, right? And your daughter starts nursery, and you've got to pay your nursery fees. And so my idea was, I'll freelance for a few weeks, maybe a few months, and I'll find a design role closer to home. But the more I took on freelance work, the job hunting kind of took a backseat, until I realized, actually I could make this work.

Angela Lyons  6:38  
Yeah, yeah. It's funny, actually, when we say about freelancing, because freelancing is a business, isn't it, and that, well, you've already created your business, and you didn't even know you're doing it. And even though we still say freelancing, I mean, I call myself a freelancer of a business, because we do have businesses, don't we? And, yeah, already, yeah, already created it, yeah.

Bhavini  6:56  
And it's something that I never, ever, ever wanted to do, because I wanted that. I want a stable paycheck. I want to go to work and I want to leave work and I don't want to think about work. You know, that's not how freelancing works, right?

Angela Lyons  7:09  
Oh, I was doing some content, like planning my marketing for the week on Sunday, because that was the only time that I had to do it. And obviously, exactly people can build things into their schedules, but I know that Sunday afternoon is when I'm quiet. And equally, you

Bhavini  7:22  
can take time off during the week if you need to, right? Because you've got to go to that nativity it's got to go to that sports day. There's an event on at school where the teachers have said that you can come and read with your child at lunchtime, or you can come and have lunch with them. You don't want to miss out on that, right?

Angela Lyons  7:38  
Yeah, precious moments, definitely, yeah, yeah. So what are you up to now? I'd love to know, What projects are you working

Bhavini  7:47  
on, working on now, I've got one retainer client that I've been working with for about 12 months, maybe just over 12 months, and it started off as designing a presentation, and it then went from that into designing a journal and a book supporting merch for the book launch. And now every month, I'm working on them to create their course graphics and supporting material for their course that they've launched online. I'm also working on some branding and presentation design for a new client who's launching a Community Interest Company. And they, they're researchers who work with the University of Plymouth. Fantastic. Yeah, so I'm doing some work with them, and I'm also working on some guides for the Association of chairs. They're the association of chairs. So they're the body that look after chairs charities. So I'm working on a few sort of typesetting of guides and documents for them. And I'm also working with Aylesbury Grammar School on their research journal that they do every year, which I then typeset and have printed and delivered to them, wow,

Angela Lyons  9:01  
yeah, paper and the stock, or do you get to choose all that? Yeah, yeah. That's the fun Yeah. And you get the paper sample that is Yeah.

Bhavini  9:11  
And the best of it is when the client gets it and they open the box and they go, God, I love the finish of that cover.

Angela Lyons  9:19  
Yeah, yeah. And you've decided that you've Yeah,

Bhavini  9:22  
you've decided that, you know you've made the right decision. And yeah, I love that. So

Angela Lyons  9:27  
can you imagine, if you became a web designer, you would not have that feeling, I couldn't do

Bhavini  9:31  
it. I could not do it. Yeah, it was. It was hard enough trying to get my own website done in Squarespace, which I did, and got a lot of support from some members in the freelance community, you included, it wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to do that for anyone else, because although I enjoyed doing my own website, it's not service I'd enjoy offering. Fair enough,

Angela Lyons  9:51  
fair enough. I could tell. I could tell by your face, when you describing the print jobs that you were like, I'm totally in love. Yeah. Absolutely. So. Um, great, how that one project has led into other projects for you, and left, and, you know, carried on working for a year with it. So yeah, you and your good design and your personality. So, well done. Well done. Oh, thank

Bhavini  10:11  
you. Thank you very much.

Angela Lyons  10:14  
My other question was because of the nature of the podcast, so just be interesting to find out if, or if there's any ways or stories that you've heard that you could help, maybe listeners or graduates that are coming through that, if there are any any barriers, if you've overcome anything, being a person of color, or have you been there, not necessarily has to be anything, I

Bhavini  10:34  
think I've been really lucky. I've never had any barriers because of my background or the color of my skin, or anything like that. There are so many other barriers, I think, when it comes to design, and you've probably come across some of these, oh, people don't necessarily understand things like copyright, things like not being able to use images that you found on Google. You know, there are so many other things. That's the one thing that comes to the top of my head, yeah, font usage to things like that. Oh, my God, that as well. Yeah, I'm really lucky that feel like those are the only kind of barriers that I've come across.

Angela Lyons  11:08  
Yeah, yeah, no. It's good to know because I think some people will think, obviously, listening to the podcasts and thinking that there's always, we've always had some sort of pain or obstacles or something along the way, but yeah, to know that, you know, you've, um, you've not had that experience that really good to hear. Yeah, I haven't. You know, there might continues like that. Yeah, I

Bhavini  11:29  
hope so too. You know, there might, there might be people who have decided they don't want to work with me for whatever reason. They don't like me, they don't think I'm the right designer for them. You know, well, well, you never know, right? And luckily, race has never been an issue that I know of.

Angela Lyons  11:46  
Yeah, yeah. Do you know what? It could be, an actual, the actual opposite of that too. It could have been like people said, I might want to work for her because that, you know, with COVID, because of, you know who she is, she's a woman, woman of color, and that, yeah, but they would never tell you that. But it's good, no,

Bhavini  12:03  
that's really interesting, isn't it? You're right. They would never tell you that, yeah, I think that

Angela Lyons  12:06  
must have happened to me a few times again on certain places I've had both to be honest with you. But I think also it could work in my favor. Yeah, yeah. I've turned up to interviews and people just like, literally, yeah, look at me up and down and say, Who are you kind of thing? And that look over here from them again, but then on the other side, I think also, I reckon I might have just filled that quota for them. That's more so I'd say in, um, I reckon maybe in full time jobs, because freelancing now they can see you from what you're like on LinkedIn, and, yeah, absolutely, maybe even now that they might have had to fill a certain quota in their CSR, you know, all that sort of, all the diversity and inclusion, so, but yeah, they know what you are, and they know who you are, yeah? And

Bhavini  12:46  
they choose to, they choose to work with you, because you're an awesome designer,

Angela Lyons  12:52  
right? Wow, yeah, this could be it. Yeah, of course. Business. How long now? How long have you been business now? Is it? So I've been 12, so I think that we're doing something all right for 12 and 13, we must be, yes, is that we must be? You're right. We're all some designers. We're picking ourselves up. Here we are. I'd love to know also what you'd love to do next, like your future projects, your dream projects. Is there anyone that you would love to work with? Do you know what?

Bhavini  13:21  
This is going to sound really cheesy, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think I'm working on projects that I would have loved to have worked on, like, say, this time 12 months ago, and I'm already doing. I'm already working on those. Yeah, yeah. The only thing I would add to that is that I would love to do some more branding work. I've done more I've done more editorial and layout work over the last few months, and I would absolutely love to get a few more branding projects coming in, and not not just the branding sort of, I just need a logo. I don't do that anymore, but

Angela Lyons  13:56  
I need a logo. I need to hear that one, don't we? I just need a logo. Thanks. I just need a logo, or

Bhavini  14:01  
I just need a logo that looks like this one that I've seen already. Oh gosh, I want to do, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to do branding work that's, you know, got a bit of strategy behind it. It's got a full color palette, typography, style guides, things like that. So

Angela Lyons  14:20  
my question is, how would you get those kind of projects, or how would you go about how do they normally come to you? Just thinking about people listening and maybe referrals starting out their business. Is it referral? Yes, it's

Bhavini  14:31  
yeah. A lot of the work that I've done this year, actually, since I started freelancing, it's all been referrals. People recommend me to their friends, family, people who have who have got their own businesses LinkedIn as well, which is why I need to get a bit more consistent on it again. But I've had a few clients come in from just regularly showing my work on LinkedIn, talking on LinkedIn and sharing knowledge and things like that. So yeah, those two LinkedIn were. Now it's

Angela Lyons  15:00  
interesting with LinkedIn, because I was reading the stacks, I'm just about to do a presentation talking about brand consistency, and I was looking up some stats, and it said there are, think it was 1 billion users. Now, 1 billion users on LinkedIn worldwide. And yeah, 5% of those users are active posters that actually post content. Wow, 5% so can you imagine, if you want more branded projects? I'm saying, Yeah, you need to get consistent LinkedIn and, like, start sharing content, because the bridge there is massive. And obviously I don't know if hashtags work as much. I know there's always these things about people saying they work and they don't work. Algorithms change all the time, but just keep sharing on LinkedIn. It's just yeah, just Yeah. On there, yeah, yeah, and places that

Bhavini  15:50  
you're right. And I think it can get it can get very hard to keep going when you kind of think, oh, nobody's like this post or commented, but people Look, don't they? They scroll by, they read your post, you might get in touch in six months time. You never know, do you or

Angela Lyons  16:04  
pass you on to someone in six months? Yeah, I've had that before. Wow, it's mad, isn't it, when you think about it, am I just throwing stuff out on this platform when no one's really Yeah, you get the likes, or you get Yeah and again. But yeah, I have had somebody come back to me and say, I know that you like I'm sure you've had this too. You like color. We both like color. No, you've used a lot of color. Or I'd like my branded to look like that exactly. So it's the place to show up, isn't it?

Bhavini  16:35  
Yes, it really is. Yeah. Say

Angela Lyons  16:39  
also, if you are on LinkedIn, just again for the listeners, maybe I'll do a solo episode, one by myself, actually on LinkedIn, and get some people down about LinkedIn and sharing up your showing your work. Because I think, as I said, a lot of people don't post on there, but there's also the space to do, put your insights in the comment boxes. And obviously people see that. The lurkers see that, don't they? Yes, that is so true.

Bhavini  17:02  
It's it's very easy to forget about that one, isn't it? Yeah,

Angela Lyons  17:05  
yeah. So that might be another place where invest a little bit of time not long, because otherwise you just stay on LinkedIn all day and then life sucked in the drain. Or Instagram, another one. Do you use Instagram? I do.

Bhavini  17:17  
I do. I use Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook, Facebook probably the least, but I love Instagram for the stories and being able to give a little sort of behind the scenes look at life. Because I find that, you know, there are so many amazing designers out there, and I find that the people who work with me all say they work with me because I got along with them, or I had something in common with them, or they just they liked my personality. And I think Instagram is a really, really good place to be able to show off a little bit of your personality. Or, yeah, as Lucy says, show a bit of ankle, right? Show

Angela Lyons  17:53  
a bit of ankle. And the Lucy we're referring to is Lucy Werner from hike yourself and Brad yourself. Yeah, interesting, yeah, interesting, yeah, because Lucy always says, doesn't she show a little bit of ankle? Yeah, I need to show your whole body. Show everything. No, he's actually everything. Yeah. And I follow you. I don't scramble see, and I've seen your stories, and I love and I, you know, I DM you or something and say, Oh, how are the buddies like? Because I know you've got buddies, but it's like, Yeah, honestly, I've known other people to post stuff on their stories. Maybe they've got a I think one of our friends had them that's got a dog, and they posted something about their dog on there, and then they found a potential client, because that potential client had the same breed of dog. So it was just amazing. How is this like? So stories, I think, are really undervalued, another place in social media, where we can sell ourselves and talk about our work. And so bvini, how do you show up and show off and tell people about yourself? I'm

Bhavini  18:47  
gonna start by saying, I am Herald at showing off. It's really hard, I think, when you're designing, say, for example, a brand identity, and then you want to show that off, because you want to show people what you've worked on, because it might be something that they're interested in or in need of now or in the future. But design is really subjective, isn't it, and it makes you feel quite vulnerable when you start sharing your work, because you automatically think, what's nobody likes it. What if somebody criticizes it? What if somebody tells me it's terrible and I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing. So I'm very bad at showing off, and I know I need to get better at it, because when I am in the right frame of mind of showing off, my work, the marketing works, the clients start coming in, and then when you stop because you're feeling insecure about it, clients aren't going to see what you can offer them. Are they exactly No. So showing off is something I'm very, very bad at showing up. I don't know how good I am at that either, to be honest, I like saying, Well, okay, I don't like saying yes to things that make me nervous, but I make myself say yes because I know that actually in the moment. So for example, this. Podcast. I knew I wanted to do it, but the thought of it was making me feel a bit nervous. But I said yes, because it was out of my comfort zone, because it was you, and because I wanted to do something that

Angela Lyons  20:12  
had challenged me. I'm so glad, yeah, honestly, honestly, so I'm loving it that we're talking like this, and I hope the listeners really like it too, because I think also, I've spoke so far, I've interviewed a few people, and some of them have got massive followings online, you know, they've got, you know, loads of fun, yes. And they are, you know, they're doing all right, and they're very confident they're speaking. And then sometimes, yes, it's funny thing. I see you online, I think you're very confident. But when you talk to you, I get that, and then I think, yeah, but you, but you don't come across like that at all. So I'm glad that you're here, and I'm glad that you're speaking to me and showing up and showing off a little bit. Tell people, but more about yourself. Yeah, come back to the content thing and showing off work. I don't know if this will work for you. What I found recently is that I've started scheduling my content. And then when I schedule it, sometimes I actually forget that I've scheduled it back in and comment and all of that stuff, which is great. And those, you know, people comment on your work, yeah, but I've started scheduling so I just think, Okay, I'm just gonna put this out there, and then not really think about it. And sometimes, okay, yeah, that makes sense. So I'd say maybe think about that if you're feeling nervous about, yeah, that's that's a good idea. Just just schedule it and just see what happens. Just you might feel more comfortable about that. Yeah, my thing is, when you do share your work, it's brilliant, and we all love it. So I don't you just need to thank you.

Bhavini  21:39  
I guess it's that. It's that self talk, isn't it? I guess what you tell yourself in your head, because you overthink everything, and then you tell yourself stuff that isn't necessarily true, and nothing is ever as terrible as you tell yourself it's going to be anyway,

Angela Lyons  21:53  
is it exactly? And nothing's bad is going to happen out of it. And thing is the actual thing. And you've got brilliant clients. You've got your dream clients that you're working with now. So yeah, and

Bhavini  22:02  
if somebody doesn't like the work, doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, the client was happy with it. The client

Angela Lyons  22:09  
is that I paid you and pay that?

Bhavini  22:10  
Yeah, exactly, yep, yep. So it's all these just got to keep on telling myself this, yeah,

Angela Lyons  22:17  
yes. The confidence that just keep on telling myself this, yeah, I'm gonna ask you a question, more of a personal thing about when you were younger, yes, what would you tell your teenage self say, for example, don't know what teenage like if you're 1415, it's like just before the GCSE age. What would you tell yourself about where you are right now? Or how would you speak to yourself in the future? Oh, that's

Bhavini  22:41  
a really good question. I think I would tell myself to just overlook the fear of something and just do it anyway so that I could build on confidence when I was a teenager. So, so much harder to do now, isn't it? Yeah, so much harder. But yeah, and I feel like I potentially would be a bit more confident in my decision making, in my showing off and showing up, if I could tell myself that.

Angela Lyons  23:10  
Yeah, brilliant. So I'm gonna say again, I'm going to ask you some quick fire fun in five questions. So you're gonna have to answer so far, actually, it's funny enough. I've just got to say this, because sometimes when I say to people this or that, they're like, or that, they're like, oh no. So I'm thinking maybe you might just have, like, just say it happy to see. What's that our Christmas chocolates, beach or forest, forest, you're my first forest book or Kindle book, reggae or soul, reggae, Patty or sandwich, sandwich. I could see this. It's like, I don't know, can I have both? I If

Bhavini  23:46  
I could have both, that would probably be a really good option.

Angela Lyons  23:52  
I know that you are an author. You've actually created a book. Can you tell me a little about your book and how it came about, please? Yeah.

Bhavini  24:02  
So I wanted to do something to mark 10 years of being freelance, because it was, it was one of those really surreal moments. I never wanted to be a freelancer. I've never wanted to be self employed, and all of a sudden, I'm 10 years in. I have no idea how it happened. And I thought, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna create a book, and I'm going to share some really simple design tips so that people who might not necessarily be able to work with a designer on a regular basis, or people who just wanted to up their design skills a little bit could have this this book on their desk to refer to. And so they created wise words, and it's what is that 115 pages just full of little design tips with examples written in pain English, and it was published in 2021 it was a little bit delayed, because you know what personal projects are like. They're so hard, and I kept. Changing my mind about how the pages should look, yep. And also I am probably my own worst client, because I kept changing my mind about how the pages should look inside and what I would include and what I wouldn't include the paper. Decisions were the easiest decisions I've ever made, like deciding what the cover was going to be and deciding what the inner pages were going to be and how it was going to be bound, those were the easy decisions. So, yeah, I had 50 copies of it printed, and they sold out in about four or five months, which I wasn't expecting. That's fantastic, yeah. And I then had people sort of saying, Oh, I missed out on buying it. Do you have a digital copy available? Or do you have any other Do you got plans to have any other copies printed? And my answer was, No, no, I don't. And then I got asked so many times that I thought, You know what, I'll upload it to KDP so it's available on Amazon, print on demand, and I will also have a digital copy of it that people can buy. That's amazing. That's so cool. So I didn't know that you've still you so people could still buy this book. You have not told us. Well, you need to show up because show up. I was gonna say you don't know about it because I don't talk about it. Yeah, I don't let Okay, so I

Angela Lyons  26:20  
think, all right, but really, for your class today, the homework will be yes, on LinkedIn, okay, LinkedIn, right. So people, we're going to put the link in the show notes so you can get downloads or via your own copy from Amazon. Yeah, it's on demand. Yeah, that's a brilliant idea. That's a brilliant because the book is lovely. I got a copy, and each little square shape, really, please, I wanted something different. Yes, it's not, it's not a big size. It's kind of like a whole, a, well, I'd say a six, but squarish, but square, but

Bhavini  26:53  
square. Yeah, square. If

Angela Lyons  26:56  
that makes sense in the print world, doesn't it? We know what we're talking about. Does we know what we mean? Thank you. To tell us about your book, probably, honestly, properly, honestly, no piece of work that you've created by yourself, which is, you know, not an easy feat, especially when you're working for clients so well done. It was hard, but I did it, and I think it's probably the hardest, but the most, the project that's almost proud of brilliant, because it was so hard, yeah, yeah, and it's yours, it's your it's your name. I'm smiling, yeah. Thank you for beanie, for being here today. I've really enjoyed our chats, and I'll put all your details into the show notes, and people can find out where they can find you. But if you'd like to tell them now, we might as well do it verbally. Let's do it

Bhavini  27:38  
now. Well, firstly, thank you for having me. I've had a lot of fun chatting with you. You can find me on LinkedIn, on Instagram and Facebook as B 81 designs. And my website is B 81 designs.com

Angela Lyons  27:49  
Oh, my God, I can't believe I didn't ask you. Why did you choose B 80 cars?

Bhavini  27:54  
B for Bzz. And 81 is the year I was born. And it was, it was, it was simple as when I when I was, I think maybe 16 or 17. I used to work in a call center, and it was for Abbey national Santander now, but you'd have to answer the phones and say, Hi, welcome to Abbey national Card Services. You're speaking to the Vivienne. How can I help you? And the person on the other end of the phone would call me Veronica or Verity or Brittany or Bethany, or whatever else, but not the thing. And then, but not the thing, because nobody say it. So when I started freelancing, I was determined not to use my name. And I like, Yeah, I like the B 81 is still quite personal to me, yeah, but everybody can say it,

Angela Lyons  28:46  
it's so interesting, isn't it about names? Because I think if people don't feel confident or just think, I think, I've seen it in films once too, where a girl's name, I think she had, um, can't remember it was. It was either an African name or Eastern European name, and the the coach refused, refused to call her by her name, just by another name, like Julie, and it was just like, Julie, you know, it was just like, he refused to actually get her name correctly. And it just got me bothered. And that's kind of sad, because that is your name, but it

Bhavini  29:15  
is, yeah, it is the world we live in. It is, it is the world we live in. There you go. That's my that's my simple reason. Yeah, I know, I know, and I don't mind. So people, people call me b, some people call me bad. And I'm happy with that. Absolutely love it. But yeah, at the time, like, you know, 13 years ago, it was the easy decision to to go with bat. One

Angela Lyons  29:43  
brilliant both. Thank you so much for joining me today. So have a great rest of the day and speak soon. You too.

Bhavini  29:51  
Bye. Bye.

Angela Lyons  29:55  
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