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Raft of Bitches
A podcast about women supporting women. Like otters.
Raft of Bitches
Rebecca Beardsley - Extraordinary and problematic at the same time
This episode touches on some difficult topics including family and domestic violence and coercive control, burnout, and children experiencing trauma. If you or someone you know is struggling with difficult conversations or situations, please check out the resources below.
With a passion for connecting people, ideas and opportunities with purpose, Rebecca Beardsley is a creative and strategic thinker with over 25 years' experience in business development, marketing & communications. Having taken the leap from the corporate landscape, Bec is the founder of Untitled & Co, providing coaching to unstoppable female professionals, corporates and B2B organisations and paving the way for them to thrive, flourish and grow one conversation at a time.
In this episode, Bec bravely shares her story of leaving an abusive relationship and moving states; caring for her children who experienced deep trauma; and starting her own business.
Bec would love to connect with female professionals, corporates and B2B organisations who need a little nudge to reach their unstoppable potential. Connect with Bec on LinkedIn!
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Support Groups
If you are experiencing (or supporting someone experiencing) trauma, know that you are not alone. Consider reaching out to a support group near you.
ConnectGroups Support Group Directory (Western Australia) - connectgroups.org.au/directory
Mental Health Foundation Australia Directory (Australia-wide) - supportgroup.mhfa.org.au/groups
Hi Rafters, before this episode begins, we just want to share a content warning with you. This episode touches on some difficult topics including family domestic violence and coercive control, burnout and children experiencing trauma. If any of that is triggering for you, catch us back up in the next episode. Otherwise, it's a really great chat and we hope you'll get a lot out of it. As usual, this episode contains adult language and concepts.
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SPEAKER_04:For centuries, women have been taught that we are each other's worst enemies. But in our experience, women are more like otters than queen bees. Female otters, bitches, if you will, join hands with each other to create rafts that stop them from drifting apart and losing each other while they're asleep. Just like a literal raft of bitches, our experience has been that thriving women often have a tight-knit community of other women who've helped them get there by providing information and support along the way and making sure that we all stay afloat. Welcome back to another episode of the Raft of Bitches podcast. I'm here with my co-host, Rikki, and a fun fact about Rikki is that her first ever doll was not a Barbie or something that you may imagine. It was a Skeletor.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and do you know what? I don't even think I really loved Skeletor, but I definitely loved him more than He-Man, so... I'm here with my co-host Kate and my fun fact about Kate is that she loves glitter and would probably wear it every day if she could.
SPEAKER_04:I really would. I love glitter so much. I actually just bought five new kinds of body glitter the other day and my parcel went missing, which I'm really sad about because I'm going to have to buy five more and then we'll probably end up with 10.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:I
SPEAKER_01:mean, is that sort of a bug or a feature really? It's
SPEAKER_04:a little of both. It's a little of both. Filling in an Auspost inquiry of, I'm sorry, my$50 of glitter didn't turn up. That was fun. We are here today with Bec and I'm very excited to welcome her to the show. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about our fabulous guest. Rebecca has over 25 years of experience working with big firms, small firms, entrepreneurs, helping them grow and thrive in business. She has a background in marketing and business development and is also an executive coach. But in 2021, in the middle of COVID and all of the challenges that was going on then, Bec took bold steps to redesign her life, moving to Western Australia, ending her corporate career for founding a startup business Untitled& Co through the final stages of dissolving her marriage. She's now a solo mum, a business owner and is very passionate about women in STEM, is heavily involved with Women in Technology WA and a raft of other activities. Welcome to the show, Bec. Thank you. Thanks for having me and for that kind introduction.
SPEAKER_00:It's so good to have you here.
SPEAKER_01:We're going to kick off with a bit of an icebreaker as we always do. Now, the one that you've chosen and from the list of candidates is you want to give us your favourite quote. Do you have a quote or even two
SPEAKER_00:for us? I've got two. The first one is obstacles are detours in the right direction. So short and sweet. And that's something that as I'm sure we'll talk about, there've been lots of challenges that I've had to face along my journey of life so far. And that's a quote that I've kind of kept like front and centre at my laptop where I work each day. It keeps me kind of very hopeful that sometimes when we hit hard blocks in life, that that is actually a sign to say that we're not meant to be going in that direction. We're meant to be changing course. And so it's a good thing when bad things happen or when roadblocks occur. The second one that I love is, and again, I've got this one up in my office too, but that's on like a massive poster board. And that is the future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. What I particularly love about that one is, is I think that that's a reminder for us to actually dream. I think as adults, we can forget to dream quite a lot. We can get stuck in the busyness of life and in the day-to-day rhythm of life, and we can forget the dreaming component. But I think it's also a nice reminder that we are actually in control of our own destiny. I
SPEAKER_01:love that. I also love the idea of a detour being kind of, I mean, I don't really believe in the universe speaking to us, but it's sort of an anti-manifesting, right? If you're manifesting something, you're like, I want something to happen. This way, it's kind of taking taking it in like okay maybe it's time to make a change
SPEAKER_00:yeah love
SPEAKER_04:it such good quotes and I love that you have them actually printed in your office yes because sometimes we have those things that we come back to but having a visual representation of these are the things that I do and having that place that you can come back to
SPEAKER_00:I have them all over my house you know in my kitchen I've got like a little light board and on that that says never give up and in my bedroom I have little cards next to my bed right on those cards you know where I'm focused at any given point in time in terms of my own self-development the things that I need to remember but yeah they're definitely things that I have around everywhere so that you're constantly kind of feeding your mind with the things that you want to be telling yourself.
SPEAKER_04:I love that. Tell us about your
SPEAKER_00:raft. Do you have
SPEAKER_04:a raft
SPEAKER_00:of bitches
SPEAKER_04:in your life?
SPEAKER_00:I do. Actually I'm still chuckling over the concept of raft of bitches so forgive me because I really love it. I absolutely do. I don't think we can be successful women of today without a raft of bitches supporting and supporting us each and every day. strong women in my raft who I like to lean on and have them lean on me and we laugh and have a really good time together. My number one bitch in my raft is my daughter, Elizabeth. She's 17 and she's my absolute bestest person in the whole world.
SPEAKER_01:Excellent. I think that's the first time we've had like a family shout out in the raft. I think everyone's a bit like, I mean, the family raft is always there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, she's definitely, you know, someone like the most special person to me. And I don't want to kind of, I do have, she has a brother and I have, you know, and I have a partner and, you know, I have family and all these things. But, you know, but there's something quite special about, you know, the journey that we've been on together and the bond that that has created between us. Lovely. She's my biggest cheerleader.
SPEAKER_04:I love that. I'd love to take a little bit of a journey back through time. Yes. Could you tell us a little bit about your story and how you kind of came into this work of coaching and
SPEAKER_00:unimpostering people? Unimpostering, sure. It's interesting because I never imagined, you know, if we go back even I think five or six years, I never imagined that I would be in that space. I always thought that my career would be in professional services in marketing and business development and communications, which is a career that I absolutely love. But then, you know, you talked about in the intro about how I kind of did this life by design thing. And that's a little over three or four years ago now that that journey started. And I think what I found at that time, I had been separated for a couple of years. I was starting to work with women more. And that was predominantly through Witwa and the work that I did there. And really seeing how women perhaps weren't having the same opportunity that I had had in my career because it wasn't difficult for me to climb the ranks within the position that I was in. But when I leaned into STEM and having a look in there and seeing that women were finding this really hard, there was sort of something that really stirred in me that felt really strongly about it. So I was doing that work with Witwa and then also feeling this kind of uneasiness and unrest in myself And as you described, it was COVID and I was in Sydney at the time and I was in my garage homeschooling my kids for three months. And I just had this day where I just, you know, we talk about obstacles. being detours. Like I just felt like everything had become hard and those obstacles were getting bigger and bigger and there was more and more grit inside me. I had heard about this concept of life by design and I was like, oh, hang on a minute. I think this means that I don't have to live my life how I'm currently living it anymore. I could be the kind of leader or master of my own destiny. What would I love that to look like? And I'd had a burning desire to start my own business. And again, I didn't know why at the time and then also at the same time of doing all that work with Witwa I had female founders approaching me and asking me if I would work with them or you know be an advisor to them from a marketing point of view and so it's kind of like all these things happening at one time and then just one day yeah after that thinking of what would I like life to look like I just said actually it's not this it's not what I've got now and I wrote down every single thing that I wanted to change in my life just for myself and for the future of my children and so that meant making the changes and then I got here in Perth and I worked even more closely with Witwara and I found that I started to share my story of my marriage which it was filled with domestic violence for a very long period of time and I saw the impact that that was having on women in particular on men as well men who want to be part of creating change in that space and then I was also kind of going through my own self-development journey and really considering how small I had felt for a long time even though to the outside world I appeared very put together and like I had a big voice and I was already advising people on really big business decisions and coaching executives from a business perspective then and then I realised actually I think I've probably been through what I've been through perhaps with a purpose for helping other people as well and it just has grown since then. Do
SPEAKER_04:you Do you have anything that you want to share to any of our listeners that might have been or are currently in a similar boat?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah if I could say one thing about you know if people are finding themselves that they're in that situation is well it's probably two things. One is keep hope because hope keeps you strong and it keeps you with something to move towards and the second thing is tell people because my big mistake was that I kept it to myself for such a long period of time that it kind of... It then just became normal. Like it became really normalized. Whereas I think once I started to tell people, they were then able to help me to change my thinking and to, you know, remind me that I was very capable of making my kids lunches if I no longer had a husband in the house. And because your self-esteem just drops so much. And then I think the tell people kind of aligns nicely to building your raft, really. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Can you tell us what that first conversation was like with your friends and family when you did reach out for help?
SPEAKER_00:It was actually with a therapist so I had experienced a burnout and a breakdown whilst being in the married home still very in the thick of the marriage and so because I was dealing with burnout and I didn't know why I went to see a therapist to get some help around that and about six months into the treatment she started to probe a little bit more and I started to disclose some things to her. She said like that was a very long time to take to share that. And even then I think it was just like tiny fragments that I shared because I didn't realise the complexity of it or the depth of it because I was still in it at the time and it was really taken a few years to understand exactly what that was that was happening in there. And then I think telling family and friends, it felt really shameful. It felt like it wasn't truth. That was the first thing. And there was a lot of shame attached to that. Can I ask...
SPEAKER_01:It's my understanding that this is one of the hardest things to admit to your friends and family because there is such a profound sense of shame. And, you know, you've been, I guess, to a certain extent, you've been made to feel that you can't rely on those people. How would you advise people who are in this situation to go about starting that conversation? Is there an easy lead in that you can have? Is it always going to be a really confronting conversation? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's a really hard question to answer because I think everyone's experience is so different and their own feelings about it are different. But certainly the other women who I talk to who have experienced the same thing, that shame is a definite thing that's there. I think that really, especially when you've been in it for so long, like I was in that relationship for 25 years, so that's part of where the shame comes from because you feel like, you know, what kind of person does that make me to have stayed in it? in an environment for that long period of time. And I think, you know, it does take courage to talk about it. But I think if you are in that situation and you know that you've got to speak to someone about it, I think just know in the back of your mind that there is no judgment, that people by nature are kind and they want to help you. And that just telling that one person, like it's then it just you get so much relief from that. Great. Thanks.
SPEAKER_04:I'd like to do a little bit of a topic shift. So unlocking your feminine edge, tell us a little bit about what that is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So I do like to talk about my women or frame my work with women as feminine edge activation. And to me, that's about kind of taking women in particular. I work with men too, but it's about taking women in particular out of that feeling of imposter phenomenon or feeling of not having the right skills to equip them to have good negotiation conversations, but really empowering them to understand understand what their own unique strengths are and I am a big believer that men and women do have unique strengths they're not kind of like hard-lined like there is definite crossover but I think you know as as women if we if we really look at what they are and we really look at what we can bring to the discussion I reckon that's when you're starting to lean into your feminine edge so you you're hearing it you're feeling it and then you're acting on it what would you say is a feminine strength is? Well, look, we know there's lots. Communication is obviously one of those. And I think emotional intelligence is another. So all of the aspects of emotional intelligence. And this is absolutely not to say that men are not good communicators or men are not emotionally intelligent. But we know that, you know, those are core things for women. I think women have incredible problem solving capabilities. They're very resilient. If you think about, you know, the working mum that does a thousand things before She, you know, goes to the office for the day and she's dealt with the kids and then she's at the office and then she's at home. And in my view, that's both extraordinary and problematic at the same time. I don't really encourage it too much. But the skills that are brought to that are definite superpowers for women, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I would agree with pretty much all of that. I would say also... I mean, I think this has been scientifically tested. Women are better at multitasking than men. I think everyone's terrible at multitasking, you know, as opposed to single tasking. But women have the edge there as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, absolutely. And we've got such powerful relationships and friendships as well. Yes. Relationships that women have with each other are often much stronger than what men have with each other, which I think makes us really special that we can build our little rafts. Yes, I agree. You've run workshops and things in the past about negotiating your value and your worth. Yes. And I heard you talking earlier about that as well of going in and negotiating salary and navigating that. Do you have anything you want to share with our listeners about how to do that? Because it's really
SPEAKER_00:hard. I actually think one of the most important things is knowing when you're in a negotiation because I think sometimes we can be in negotiation and not realise that. So if we know the moment we're in a negotiation, then we can be highly strategic about how we put ourselves forward into the negotiation. I think also understanding that negotiation is about a win-win for everyone. So it's not a battle. It's actually about really effective communication to get our needs met as well as the needs of whoever it is we're negotiating with, whether that's our kids and getting them out the door on time or whether that is our manager and we're wanting a pay increase. But I think the other piece in that puzzle really is the knowing your worth piece. And I think as women, I hear time and time again, and I've been guilty of it too, where we really undersell ourselves and we undervalue ourselves in terms of what it is that we deserve in this world, not just from a financial perspective, but that is a huge component of it. And we kind of feel guilty for asking for things. So I think an important component of the negotiation is feeling really confident in what it is that we're asking and being able to back that up with the right evidence to be able to tell or share our case in the right way.
SPEAKER_01:I'll never forget when I was first setting out on freelancing. I'd been at an agency for 10 years and then I went off and did my own thing. And I was setting the prices and I was like pretty happy with what I had come up with. And then a man who had been a junior under me at the agency contacted me on Facebook to go, hey, I'm setting up as a what should I charge you know he was like I was thinking of and he named he said I know I'm not worth as much as you are but I was thinking of this do you think that's too much and it was more more than yours than I was charging already and so in his perception he was like obviously you're charging way more than this because you're way more experienced yeah and I was like well, guess I have to up my prices
SPEAKER_00:then. So this is where research is really important as part of the negotiation. So really to understand what that worth is, just do masses of research around it. Like what are other people getting paid in the same industry, male or female, but then also research about who it is that you're negotiating with, you know, what are their budgets? What do they normally pay? Because you don't want to go into a negotiation if there's just no negotiation to be had. So that kind of understanding that may you feel more confident because you've got the data there in front of you then as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I think it was definitely what you say about guilt, though, because I was sort of feeling like, oh, should I? Can I? can I be charging people this much? You can charge whatever you want.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, I would now. Yeah. It's just, will they pay for it? Right. And so then that is where the value proposition comes in there.
SPEAKER_04:I love that quote that, you know, a bottle of water costs one price at Coles, another price at a vending machine and a lot more at an airport. And it's not the water that changes. It's the like situation that it's in that it suddenly becomes more valuable. And thinking about that when you're thinking about your pricing, because if you can charge$6 for a bottle of water at an airport. wild. Yes. Surely there's a place for some kind of ridiculous pricing for us, for ourselves as well.
SPEAKER_00:And sometimes it's, you know, it's demand driven, it's timing, it's what do you bring to the table that other people perhaps can't bring.
SPEAKER_04:Do you have a story from someone that you've supported through your work that's had some kind of success that you want to talk about or like a little breakthrough moment, celebrate a little win? I
SPEAKER_00:don't know if I can talk about
SPEAKER_04:client success.
SPEAKER_00:That's okay.
SPEAKER_04:Do you have your own own little win.
SPEAKER_01:Oh,
SPEAKER_00:I have little wins every day, like just getting out of bed. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Do you celebrate those as wins?
SPEAKER_00:All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Firstly, like for me, gratitude is really, really important. So for me, like waking up and looking at sunshine and hearing birds and just it's a very sunny life compared to dark life that we've had previously. So I definitely kind of embrace those things for Perhaps the biggest win that I've had since I've been here has been in my parenting. And that's been taking my daughter through a really traumatic journey that she was facing. Yeah, and so not long after we had moved here, My daughter was really struggling. It was a consequence of all of the domestic violence that had happened in the family and what I did not know at the time that I was married was that my daughter was experiencing similar things to what I had been experiencing in the home. So she experienced those when I was not there and she had suppressed all of that for a very long period of time and then once we moved here she had her own, you know, things to deal with and her own version of a breakdown and we What that meant was that she could no longer go to school. She was in year nine at the time. She could no longer leave the house. She had fear of being kind of hurt outside of the house and she lost her voice. So she woke up one morning with absolutely no voice and there's a technical term for that and that is trauma-induced mutism and she was in a very deep, dark depression at that time. So her and I had to kind of work really hard together to I guess, take her through her own healing journey of that. And look, they were very, very, very hard days. And but we kind of found joy in tiny, tiny little things each day. And to keep her To keep her, I'm sorry, I'm making you cry. Look, I get the same reaction from people each time I share this. You know, we did things to keep her connected to the outside world. So Kate, you know, when we talk about Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift was a massive influence on my daughter's life at that time and still is. But in a really, really big and deep way, we would put Taylor Swift on in the car and go driving around the city at night time to keep A connected to the world. And even though she couldn't verbalise with anyone and or be near anyone else it was just her and I connected with her brother from time to time we kind of went on that pathway together and that was nine months that she didn't speak for yeah so no sound and we found new ways of communicating and new ways of of doing things and there was no school for her for most of that time and she's a really really bright girl and a really keen academic and doing well in her studies was kind of really big part of her sense of self so our mission was to get her back to education as soon as we could but we couldn't put her back in mainstream school because that wouldn't be the right place for her so she homeschooled. So for me it feels like a massive win because her voice did come back and that was part of her kind of coming out of that of you know doing all of the work that we did together and she's now doing year 11 and at the end of year 11 and doing amazingly well in her studies still homeschooling but thriving as a human so I'd say that's a pretty big win for her.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I want to like jump across the table and hug you right now. I just like all of the balls that are in the air for you, were in the air for you of, you know, navigating a new city, unpacking what I'm sure was difficult on a relationship level, financial level, supporting your daughter, building a business. How did you... I actually
SPEAKER_00:don't even know. I wonder that myself because I look now and I think life is so different to what it was even 12 months ago. And you're right, like financially incredibly hard, very hard to go and interact with clients and build a business at the same time as going home and dealing with that at home and business. The answer is I don't know. I think probably the thing that kept me going was just to stay really connected to myself at a spiritual level. And I'm not religious, but definitely lots and lots of grounding work and that gratitude piece was really important in saying okay well like this is really really really shit right now but it won't be forever we know we're going to find a way out of this and when we talk about the raft like the raft looked different at that time too we had lots of specialists and really really good trained people working with us to to help us get through at that time so it's just lots of little things together that helped.
SPEAKER_04:I think that's two firsts when we're talking about rafts. I don't think anyone has mentioned family on a raft before, but I also don't think anyone has mentioned, you know, medical professionals or specialists or outsiders who really are sometimes part of our rafts for a period of time.
SPEAKER_00:And
SPEAKER_04:we don't always need to rely on our friends to support us, but looking at, you know,
SPEAKER_00:the systems. Sometimes your friends can't support you because what I've just described to you is so insanely heavy, like, and so foreign to people. Like, including us at the time, like we had no idea what was going on. So how can friends support you through that? So medical professionals became really, they were the only people we would talk to for a period of time. That's
SPEAKER_01:amazing. They keep you afloat when you needed it. Yes, sure did. So with your experience, do you have any advice for other parents who are homeschooling their children?
SPEAKER_00:Look, I was really lucky because Elizabeth is just so dedicated to doing her schoolwork. So that's probably one thing. Know that homeschooling is not for everyone. If anyone asked me to homeschool my son, that would be an absolute no. But for my daughter, that was definitely the right fit for her. So that's the first thing, make sure it's the right fit. The second thing is just develop routine as soon as you can. So you know it would have been really easy particularly for the way that she was feeling for her to want to kind of stay in bed or drag out her morning routine and just do school whenever but my non-negotiable on that was if you're going to be homeschooling you've got to be up and dressed by the time your brother leaves the house each day and you know at your desk and ready to work and I think just be really organised in factoring in time to you know to do revision to put exams into the schedule and like but I think that parents do anyway but just know that you know you're probably going to need to do a little bit more of the kind of hand-holding with that than perhaps what you would do and also just know that again like the support network is there for a reason so we found that the teachers attached to the institution that we use, super, super, super supportive and the communication with them is vital in making that work for us.
SPEAKER_04:Can you tell us a little bit about Untitled& Co? What is the name? actually mean? Why Untitled and what do you do? Okay
SPEAKER_00:I thought starting my own business as a marketer might mean that finding a business name would be really easy or you know going through that exercise would be really easy but it's actually really really hard but I think at the time because it was that point where I was kind of transitioning from you know married mom in corporate life to whatever was going to come next and I didn't really know who that was and I didn't really know it didn't have much of a sense of belonging and didn't really know what my own identity was at that time and sitting there and I thought well I feel a little bit untitled right now like I don't know you know am I my married name or my maiden name what am I and then I also thought well okay well what do I do for my clients and at that time of starting the business it was really only going to be core to my technical expertise and what that's all about is getting brands and people known with their stakeholders. So going from untitled to titled in a way. So that was kind of where the untitled piece came from. And co, for me, it always had to be about community. So it always had to have connection in there. And it was about finding the right people who might come in and out or some who might stay for forever that would be part of that network of supporting whoever I support as a business owner and in terms of what I do today so I still do marketing and business development and communications and I consult with organisations doing that work and I also work with entrepreneurs and as an advisor to them so they you know often don't have budget to have their own in-house marketing so they lean on me and get advice from me but then it does also include you know my work with women around coaching and leadership training and my workshops that I deliver for them too. Because I refer to myself as the feminine edge activator and I run workshops on that for women and I think that really encompasses who we want to be. As women, we want to activate that to be empowered women of the future. And so that's a theme. And I also kind of lean into this concept of becoming unstoppable through connection. And that's connection of self and connection with our tribe and our stakeholders in a business context.
SPEAKER_01:So it's kind of like a mega raft almost. Yeah. Excellent. This is something that is quite new for you, isn't it? You're... leaning into being unstoppable, helping others be unstoppable. Can you tell us a bit about that?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So as my business has evolved, I've really thought about, you know, who are the people that I want to be working with in the future and who would be the right fit for Untitled and Co so that we could have really great partnership together. And as I considered that, I thought, actually, like it's the people who either want to be or are becoming unstoppable whether that's you know in their life or in their business and I've also been doing a lot of work around connection and I believe that you can only become unstoppable through having connection as the foundation of everything you do and that for me means connection with yourself and with your tribe so your family or your friends or your raft and connection with your stakeholders so from a business context that's with your you know your clients or your markets. Can I ask you about
SPEAKER_01:imposter syndrome? So, you know, I think that's something that we all think a lot about. And I think that's men and women as well. I don't think it's necessarily one more than the other. But I did see not that long ago, an article and I really wish I could remember who the quote was from, because it was a female CEO, someone who works here in Perth, and I can't remember who, but she said, I'd like to hear less about imposter syndrome because I'd like us to celebrate women being successful and just kicking ass. And that really resonated with me because I think it's important to talk about imposter syndrome so that people don't feel like they're the only ones who have it, so they don't feel alone. But I also like the idea of really just being like, yeah, you know what? I am a boss. Yep. What are your thoughts on that? That seems kind of where you're coming from with... unstoppable.
SPEAKER_00:Definitely yes definitely part of where I'm coming from with unstoppable and I like to think of it as imposter phenomenon rather than imposter syndrome. A dear friend kind of pointed this difference out to me and explained to me that describing it as a syndrome suggests that we are kind of unwell or we have some sort of you know diagnosis which is not the case with imposter phenomenon but I do think that the more we label ourselves as having imposter syndrome or imposter phenomenon whichever we want to call it I think that keeps us a little bit small and holds us back a little bit. So I agree with that CEO. Like I would love for us to start flipping the language around that and talking about success and talking about the things that we're doing, you know, that kind of pave the way for us to feel bigger and with a voice and more confident as we step forward.
SPEAKER_01:How do you think we navigate that as Australians who are famously all about tall poppy syndrome, we don't really like people, sound again, male or female, we don't really like people sounding off about how successful they are so much Where's the balance, I guess?
SPEAKER_00:I think, you know, it's practice because you're right, like there is that tall poppy syndrome. We also know that women are less skilled or less comfortable with kind of sharing, you know, their accolades than perhaps what men are. And so I think it's definitely practice. It's about feeling a little bit uncomfortable about that but doing it anyway and I think remaining authentic in that as well. So if we start to talk about things that– And what's next for you, Bec? What does the future look like? I feel scared when I think about that because the vision is very big but then I have to remember that time. resources limited for me be more work definitely in the corporate space so I'm doing a lot of work in the mining sector at the moment so that will absolutely continue and I'm thoroughly enjoying that work and it will be definitely more coaching so working with individuals in becoming unstoppable and sharing more of my own methodologies I don't feel like I'm there yet but I definitely do feel like I have an unstoppable mindset so it's about sharing that with others. Well,
SPEAKER_04:from what you've told us today, you've overcome a lot. So I think you can go ahead and call yourself an unstoppable
SPEAKER_00:mindset. Thank you. That is the word on my card on my bedside table at this point in time.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:I love that. So to help you get to where you're going, what is it you need? Who do you need in your raft? Or is there anything that our raft of bitches, our listeners can do to help you get there?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's a really good question. Sometimes I find it a little bit hard to ask for help, so I don't really know what I would ask for. This isn't necessarily something that I need for me, but I would ask people to really kind of think about what could they do for themselves to become as emotionally intelligent people as possible a lot of the work that I do in fact you know 99% of the work that I do whether that's BD marketing or workshops with women is all underpinned by emotional intelligence and I wholeheartedly believe that if we can get that right for ourselves that we can be good confident happy humans which is really what we want at the end of the day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:that's what I want.
SPEAKER_04:Such a wholesome ask. I love it. If people want to get in touch with you about your work or learn how to be unstoppable or maybe play part of the Untitled& Co tribe, where's the best place to
SPEAKER_00:contact you? Definitely LinkedIn. I talk about connection and communication, but I'm definitely a cup of coffee kind of girl. So don't hang out on social media too much, but messaging me on LinkedIn is the best place. I'm not spread across all platforms. I just have this one that I like to go to. And you have a website? I do have a website. Yes, it is untitledandco.com.au. So I can be reached there as well.
SPEAKER_04:Unfortunately, once again, we are utterly
SPEAKER_01:out of time. That's right. But if you have a story of how connection, whether it's with yourself, your tribe or your stakeholders, has helped you to become unstoppable, we'd love to hear from you. And where can people reach us? We're on Instagram at raftpodcast. or you can email hello
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SPEAKER_04:And for previous episodes or to find out more, don't forget to check out our website, raftpodcast.com. Thanks for listening, rafters. Catch you next
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SPEAKER_04:Thank you for sharing all of that. I literally did have chills.
SPEAKER_01:Not from the noisy air conditioning.
SPEAKER_04:No, although I am quite cold. But it was definitely you, not the air conditioning that
SPEAKER_01:was giving me chills.