From Paper Trails To Peace Of Mind: How Tech, Analytics, And UX Are Reshaping Insurance

Peace of mind doesn’t come from a thicker policy packet; it comes from a cleaner journey and a fair claim. We sit down with a seasoned insurance and technology leader to map the shift from dot‑matrix paperwork and multi-copy forms to a digital experience built on UX clarity, analytics, and AI. The conversation starts with first principles—how loss ratio and experience drive pricing—and moves into practical levers that reduce friction, improve conversion, and keep customers loyal at renewal.

We dig into what makes a modern journey work: minimal fields, smart defaults, calm interfaces, and predictable steps that match how people actually buy. Then we go deeper on machine intelligence. From parsing doctors’ notes and lab results to cross-checking repair histories, AI fraud detection turns slow manual reviews into actionable signals, while human oversight keeps decisions fair and credible. Alongside, we look at portfolio strategy across motor, medical, fire, and marine, and how inflation and trend factors shape sustainable rates rather than race-to-the-bottom pricing.

Security and trust anchor everything. In Saudi Arabia, strict data residency and cyber frameworks demand local storage, encryption, audits, and disciplined data retention. That rigor doesn’t just protect customers—it unlocks new value with cyber insurance, where coverage blends with real risk services. On the leadership front, we talk hiring for curiosity over checklists, measuring productivity by outcomes, and choosing vendors who protect brand reputation by delivering reliably. The throughline is simple: technology serves the business, and the customer feels the benefit in fewer clicks, faster claims, and clearer answers.

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Transcript

Origins In Tech And Insurance

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Thank you. It's a pleasure really conmacony, uh for Tarra for a actor discussions interesting. Basically, an I'm a generation X, you know. Shwe and the Mishwara will mal technology from the late 80s to remain Balashit. Balashikan passion computers, many, computers, will home computers, but a lot of home computer at Yemenuslo Alal a la television bilbeat, minwata talat aktar, madrase, fit ta alal AUB amilet bas BS degree, Akat Computer Science. And I was the first Zabadak promotion bil Jemal Amerkiye in computer science. Can I do client? O say no haiki so altaabas in Tamil Tarjami, Tabal screen menus, screen source code, and user interface. Can we add on his boon? Client belieb, Amish to Lulu insurance system. Hadel oracle partner, it'll halibil, naaletish, and development cycle with systems. They are really savvy

Vision For End‑To‑End Digitization

SPEAKER_00 4:15

about technology. Yani but has no button the latest solutions, the latest trends, but implementation, state of the art, together. They are pushing in this direction. So mainly kill she will be I mean and they want to digitize the whole insurance process. But the process kill the pre-sales, the sales and the after sales kill within the digital processing. We can come in handy, my user experience, my journey fully digitized. So, technology, IT manager, so tariff and IT manager, the full cycle business cycle, ta'd ma jama underwriting, ta'd mail accounting, ta'd ma kill full cycle reinsurance, brokers, distribution channels, so you know the whole cycle of tariff and workflow. Digital transformation in our language. We are trying to facilitate, we are trying to rehli maunte mean sahle, it's not something in the resistance. But I'm tariffs and no user friendly as much as possible. But can rehabit mean, you know, and resistance.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

So let's let's need insurance with the kertni raw.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

On one person, a la jama ashirt. Sorry, is a bad truh tistri Anit Pepsi or whatever. Hey, lost into experience. For a small amount of money on this, you are buying a peace of mind. Don't go for the price. Okay, Mali lauda fatish was here. It's not only about money. Minimum minimum, we have like, you know, if a jumbo claim, it's late, we'll come see. Sooner or later, inshallah mats here, shakyan, kill, and shallah mats here makes it worth it. It's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Is it based on analytics?

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Actuarial shuebare, it is the mathematics of insurance. Very simple. And no, especially as a heda is a newcomer. Something which is very common motor insurance. Okay? Le practice, is a kin Amrak, is a Sarah driving license.

Explaining Loss Ratios And Pricing

SPEAKER_00 10:35

And we'll policy holder, to protect our investment. Our senior is very prudent, but then the loss experience and medical amil, motor, corporate business, new portfolio as a whole, is a fire insurance, lal workshop, la mahallo, lal office, and we base our insurance on this on the previous year experience. We take to consideration and inflation at Bitsier. The trend is you have something like between 3 to 5% inflation.

unknown 12:04

Hello?

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Hey, belulla ta' mini tawni. Yes. So based ala masal mechanic premium, loss ratio, belulu loss ratio. It's a very straightforward formula. Ya lehi li premium that you pay divided by the claims. Okay. Ya ni masalam bolisa mid dollar, dan all. Policy holder amil hadis 11 dollar languages. 11 dollar amil hadis, a total how it is mid-dollar. Okay. Bitla loss is tabito 50%. Okay. Inchard claims, sorry, I'm the premium account. Inchurred the claims, you divide it by the premium. For loss ratio tabit hide the shakes, roughly. Badu bul hida hida bitla, masal rebate maya, bitlalo, profit sharing. Kil matala loss ratio, kill mayot, kil mayuta discount. Oh, feminikhi mabdiwa. Kun amount negligible. Add them to the when I renew the policy, yeah. My next premium. As a tool to retain our clients. But isab jad man dalon, you know, client retention is very important and client loyalty. Yeah, business we want to have our clients. You maintain a certain kind of a relationship. Akta, rubid doom, akta, lama di siriji black. Hyda. Pa, min illa as an additional incentive and awatik on the top of that certain amount of money zata chazia.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Hide shua but thaf nilak uh rigidity, duddle insurance.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Kamel bitlala, bitlalak discount next renewable bitlala kaza. Okay. As a condition. I'm t me in a general, it's not you know, I'm not as a practice, general practice, not specific to a certain region, okay. This is a practice, to protect an insurance portfolio. Kamen policy holder at the same time, mindset, and nobody fate me no bestamic. You know, hey, it builds up also client loyalty or peace of mind. Financial lecture and side. But it is not high risk, corporate some individual insurance, one duckl corporate, individual, family, persons, but corporate actor. So bas here fee now and balancing by net nine. Sahya. But medical insurance as a whole, corporate medical insurance, uh fee and a fiat loss ratio is melan. But so with fiya when you try to, you know, to go uh horizontally medical, okay and tatinal marine, lesant tatinal fire maktab, you know, you try to compensate from different uh products.

unknown 16:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Technology wise, no seer more efficient cash insurance. Shoot the tower.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Sadni nah bus and be a bolise, but the utbah printer bolise team. Nastami dot matrix printer, ma five copies.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Yani kil babadan talia fitura, kilmabdan talia policy kham smarat, uzabede la kla mina nascha lasher kilal filing, unasha lale broker, unasha b Yomdiya Zbun Birja Berida, Unasha B Truhla Mahidem, Yane Maalwara Ikbir, Oken Anna overheads E Maktir. So trend Halla to move all this paperwork, conventional systems yarli kaida, to move it into digital. Nisamil Akit bilwara, konfianal archiving, l pricing, lal nisamil aktar l e Zabadak l e-services,

Discounts, Loyalty, And Portfolio Health

SPEAKER_00 17:20

insurance, babatlakiha na PDF, babatlakiha l plastic card insurance lika, babatlakiha an a QR code, khalas in tabathattabit marrahu. So we try to facilitate as much as possible insurance transactions at the same time to cut down on cost. Cost of stationeries, cost of insurance consumables, printers, all related items. So digital. But then we are dealing with Generation Z, we are dealing with the new Ariba Habal Shul Alpha. So battal had conceptual. Hey, halasar like foot an telephone, you know, I just you know, punch in some words, I'm in Jari Hadal experience actor. This is the digital transformation, but food fish is targeted to the new generation. The transactional way. At the same time, alamit na nisti virtual meetings. You know, but it's a Hassan Shwe Arab Izabadak technology, you know, the physical meeting and on-site and on premise. It accelerated the digital transformation with the ability in the world, meaning antari il online systems and antari electronic services idea So that was an enabler somehow.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Yes. Analytics. Structured data and adrenchufa.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

I have some use cases that I can build on. Mainly we use Halla for the time being the AI in fraud detection. Okay. And dakte means that. We cannot argue with the Naida. We cannot argue with your doctor. Amiamil abuse. Halla al AI, she was if to be helsharl. Hadi can't circle manual. Okay. Nehud Excel sheets. No don't shoof nul atl policy holder. No, the namel you know statistics or V lookups pivot tables, Adma Badak Muntale, Amifi and Dak major claims. Halla l AI should be amil. Allah amnishtegal aleha, Bihod Ta'ir Tabib. Yalahu ket buchat ibuptar kif biktubtari at yle Anawiekam the famay. Huimke maratatihama. Bihod haidl kilshi handwritten or handscriptsman scripture. Bihud Malf Hosat, Uba Aaron and he matches AI. Ube ilhone sire and no hu talib shif hosat, half husat, mapton tabi ala diagnosisar, uba ilak na tijitl fa'has is ana shekiklan all uh let's say for them. But talab mashallah says, blood count, tabak, red blood cells over the hide AI mistamila for fraud detection. Same thing goes motor insurance, life examples, fee solutions, and we plug-ins into our core systems where they go and dig and pull up information and they process, nafshi uh bildua al motor insurance. Okay, becausealano kaza. Sorry, but ra laptaq aktah u saw laqa batash.

Cutting Paperwork With Digital Workflows

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Yimkeni illak anan darba reservoir to mabar sho. And okay, darbi minwara, o shiminhano, a yimken, al surveyorimkin hadabshirkid meen andasah be alliha. Marat bit siren so hida. So bey illak in opposition tawa reservoir benzene ood. Mail tishna batik example. Logical explanation, is a fi she ambassir myshtabiza. Fa mainly hidehi. Maul heda tatawa rikhalamibado zedan insurance or blacksmith has uhid uh when you address the truth fi tariqa illu yihana. Mafik telfin lazboon or tlu intawahat naint liti, but dakit mar message bitari azaki. Ana bate ithone isabad dakil sales agent, yellia kimaal policyholder. He should very to be very transparent and should be very diplomatic when you are conveying the truth. Mafiik tiji tattoo ya hek as if in no am tatu intake no inta mutaham kaza la stazi kazah. Okay, mind you that in no heda shakasimkin kunkin is decision maker, besherkim hayani. So maratik tier Kashirak, yani umurla and no. Give me the bigger picture. Exactly, la and no heda be asir, la enno femin tenema we are compensating for this. But message my no nah na ween or manna heke behind this.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Kif talfly implementation added value. How do you do you heke? How do I measure it? How do you measure ROI tabak? Is it uh strictly financial? Is it the number of people?

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Mainly it is the market reputation. There are two pillars. It's very important. So a hamma she is the main pillar is the user journey, Tamila as friendly as possible, as predictive as possible, yani into fit it, l user mat faut fasil, misda ruler. Ya ni matis a little too many questions, jarri bi kun basil minimum key key MKIs, minimum key information, a smok, a date of birth, when ra yih, okay, will period suffer. What is it food actor, and ta eye is application form, tabaal insurance, khal journey tamilabitari aselsi. Yan hatalobas atwa mau do bad kambila journey juwa mashia, ba tas aleman no manu bahajala elowin ha noike. So the journey is tamila as as seamless as possible. L experience ikun also the graphics, you know, the user interface ikun friendly, my kun rigit, we'll bnukin financial sector, ikti, ikti rigid. But animation, shweet graphics kun, you know, morihalal arabal. At the same time, uh, the next beau will conversion rate. Ya nibijik hawele an ol miti proposal or mitay proposal over a certain period of time, a day ala bin non bawalis. Allah marrat be kunkin nil business. Okay, l user interface, tirim nih, but l asahar la hatina man na competitive. Okay, so we should sit and analyze and try to improve the product, competition maha ana competition and promotion, ala produe, a ala shim ayan, anama and so kame honey business intelligence is a bad plays an important role as well. So mainly KPIs and NDA, NDA, the client experience, user journey, ROI, we kun the system customer centric. Aha mashi. Technologia should be in the service of the business and not the other way around. Core insurance system, true and the business, and accounting system, but business owners who know sorry. Us as technology, we are enablers. So I try to bridge this gap between the business needs and the technology. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

No. Yeah, let's say. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Data should be preserved inside Saudi Arabia, especially in the insurance and the financial sector. This is number one requirement. Mandatory idea. And only like data when retained, when captured, when Kazaba, Majbur, that kunna Sharakite mean actor Sharakite min khada and very strict cyber frameworks with data privacy of DPLP acts, holy hennibasur, and normal and no kill Malumet kun Maujude be albil be albil Mamla Kisa al Arabi Saudi. So, fee but cybersecurity

Gen Z Expectations And Remote Enablement

SPEAKER_00 31:30

breach, but cybersecurity department, it's a regulatory department. Charleta Abe Alal IT. Audits a la tool fee. Fee framework, cybersecurity framework, strict fee audit. And they are in line with the insurance authority frameworks and the same. As a failed feat later, Falan, Falan, it's a bad to deploy a certain solution. At the same time, Bishakil Bas Kamen, fi and peace of mind, and the solution, it's 100% secure. They are safe, they are encrypted, if redundancy, if you know if you data retention policy over a certain number of years, you cannot retain the data of policyholders.

AI And Fraud Detection Use Cases

SPEAKER_00 33:26

You should destroy the data. So if you policy, I know many data retention, but they had data privacy.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Okay, uh products lazy, I had a sector.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Bado it's a new market. I think a lot of potential. And tell us your company. What will happen to your to your to your data center if you get hacked? But the bitcoins, so cyber insurance sector, anabate tower actor, we seer fi is a bad client is here, and lost the cyber insurance. So insurance culture, behalf, ma'am, from a consumer perspective, corporate firewall, ana and the cyber, an sock team, because the usually really high. A but usually vulnerability, my chuf AI, when you can, la usas la usas mudarra, la usas unpredictable. So this is very important. I think there is a market niche on iki. I see a lot of potential.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Okay, ready? Born ready.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

It depends what do what do you mean exactly by productivity? If it's a back end, is uh is it is it a back office thing or a front uh you're on the front line? It depends where you are exactly. How do you lead? Uh but then so a first impression instinct, but then a bazaar instinct is a bad face value and the bont, but then I re-evaluate based on facts. But I will impress him to break the ice because I'm a shahs bashu, assessment ten la akid hashir yell a chat to from the first impression.

unknown 38:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Morning meetings, our afternoon meetings.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

Afternoon, one day my have my own hobbies or how much I'm not sure. Retention, but I'll retention it based on their experience. It reflects my character. Basana nanesid rainbow PR is a badak exposed. I'm selective, ktir bay. Shah Subna e is a hida but kunsah beydaula. Ufiya plus or minus the nazaran omur sahsi. Okay, echir sual managing people or managing budgets. A kid managing the budget. They go into budget constraints. When you tar fix, it will be very difficult to achieve this project within this budget. As an IT, you don't have as a bad authority and approve Haydil Fatura. When Bada True Baatru Alfinance

Communicating Hard Truths With Clients

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Alfinance Birjah Kamein, Bufutri Biwafir, Admafi. Hallazilla approval finance, rahat and the GM, and the procurement manager, Hassabil Shirkeb corporate biri or S M Ew Haida. Kameh bel Ekhir Abel Mayum Dilakal Procurement CEO Halla Halla Electronic Bas Abel, Djibul Fatura, Tet Futi, and Faji history, and dollar, Nazanila Tessan, Saba, Ashware and Talef, Ashware Matter. Sorry. Okay. Anna Basma Balash Baal business. Can't er al vender le ande? Halasma mudaribender. Make he the word mudir with a hedakam hatarkaminal sales representative. But your mudiru yanam fitna cyclist D Day, approval cycle is D Day, Lahatanim Shibhal Nujabaden, Mussalamhalamana Hasam Alfabhia Hamas me and the Khan Smifala Shubakamil Sir Mudar's girl. It's not only about an wafern dollar or $12. You are missing on the opportunity. Time is more expensive than money itself.

Measuring ROI And UX KPIs

SPEAKER_00 44:27

But has from an objective perspective, an upper hand or aneky, and power. I leave an atol. Anna, I'm not the king. Anna CEO who will king. So Anna Mafi kun plus royalist colorways. So Anna Bitruckal Gabida at all.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

No.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Yes. How burn is Royana?

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Fee Marat Bill Bishirki vendor, software vendor. Hasito is not capable. But the business they were pushing in a direction. We want to implement a certain product, but then we have a lot of people who are not going to roll out la product major. Please, Mishma Hydal vendor, Mishma Hidal supplier, we should seek another service provider. Given the capacity, I warned them. I aligned with the business. It reflected badly on the customer reputation. I was insisting, you know, had an provider law opportunity. Bad impression. Bad impression an al IMB food, you know, you can post a la a la ala Google a whatever ala ay ala a platform, and no anal customer experience, tabate mah the shirk and funy. I had a bad experience, I have a lot of people, I have a lot of people. So laughs, market is about the kid window, shtigal infrastructure tabayitak, a we ha lak intel back office tabitak, back end, it's not only about technology. People come in, business people, yeah, you do it alamo, akidrah kun ta' tisada, okay.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Shoot let take sifmanhada Bishil Magb team, kun ando yehon.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

You ha you should have a own passion passion about technology. It's not about commands or user manus or ta'a user manual or tabi. Enta, but you kun and technology. At the same time, the technology could endak curiosity al hashriy from a support level. Yama B sira shekil. Adma ta'ra, add mat uh manuals. Exactly the time troubleshooting with hella. Based on your experience, intact time research, food, you know, you Google, you uh I don't know, trial and error, jarry, because you and the test environment, try to simulate it into the initiative. Exactly. The best tools, AI, had dak, troubleshooting, whatever, passion hida uh a leader, market leader. So mainly hide heal passion, curiosity

Tech As Business Enabler

SPEAKER_00 49:10

to learn and your love for the technologies. Tene mawuduwa it's about teamwork. Okay. Information sharing, ktirem ham. Falan bate admafini. I nourish, I empower, kitirem. I do not manage on an IT ma and time stamping. Time stamp. I hold them accountable, but temel, no, niya. Shalatil and beat, shalat chtgil. It's a result driven as a badak tasks. So anabarish minhali anamafi na tabi ahali she anaman teneafi no anam ni noa kamen, mit mahkit abil tilar makta, baratbijmakar, malat bada machar, malatkun adbil beat, kun rasa ambishtakil neskun adimil, betridda laina, bkun rasa mahaltenim safar mahalte be miskle, uhana amil zabadaki distraction, fayat be maudua mahalteen. So phas hidineskamin uhality hadelbness, lizn kumuju the information sharing, empowerment, uh, experience, cause I tool could department kill at kuna I should mishly not building a team spirit. Anna Balash is a technician, but law, select lam and jury position. Fe more details. I'm like configuration. Halas ana

Data Residency And Cybersecurity In KSA

SPEAKER_00 51:15

sarat wa ab details, m khassasin, hala and technology diversified, and cyber, applications, infrastructure, and as a manager. Mishmaul, you cannot technically challenge those people. Kilwa hat sarando, domain, b sector, insurance, very, very, very vertical meet. Okay. So, details, akid anna I can supervise, an I can measure the quality of his work from the success. Better ana I can measure mn natiji. Okay tabba, but come turnaround time and date alba at her request, la regi ala and akadit minu, a desh uh it. So the ruler sa'at or late also I measuring tools, but there are if an I can evaluate the performance and the productivity of the employees. But from a technical perspective, akid billion, akit anabahatum, I can manage them. I can quantify their success and deliverables to build quality. I try to be I defend my team a lot. I hold them accountable, Bamil assessment, meaning with Hamal Masri to internally.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

But Dakalimun shim ayon. KIF communication process.

SPEAKER_00 55:29

Mafic tier room of discussion and business requirements is a priority. But the shoof I want to explore their capacity, a design on deliverables. And we discussed, but tricklun initiative la alon, room la alone, ala tool yana, ma mudirak, oushi, our impression, masan battery. Automatically. He will align with your perspective and with your ideas. So billon masan talbin min nahik. But the echot our impression, our feedback min non, laafam exactly, you will be able to kill the time assessment, shikil, wa dish hambeteba, capacity to cope with changes. And tatarif alf talking about changing, the only constant thing in life is change. So especially technologies, it's emerging industry technology, kill yom and dak new versions, with new releases, kiba kitlah, on a daily basis R

Cyber Insurance Opportunity

SPEAKER_00 57:45

and D's new technologies, akidakun shwe, uh conservative kun and talk about technology. So betrick on the shore a conhead and show fina, near Kamen, nehudminue, and you can find solutions. The blue, the red, the yellow and the green. Al Ahmar, akib Ahmar yalhuil Aalib, yani yali biatimdu alal alal hadas tabahom o alal qhs tabahhom akar bi aararaton basihdu ara ma'yan. Fiandakil yellow yellow yali hinel innovative persons, yal nis bihtihlu bil marketing, yali bihlobil bil yhtro sasasajdi, kasabakun anun, hal hal hal yellow isabadak equality. Yalhi shweebit ba adun anil anil day to day, that kun inta creative marra, but dak eh dakishrud mitma bulu belagitna yanil ami so how the nail yellow. Who kuntier anil anil management, anil logic, how do jarib into reality, into something which is really a kunfi solution green, green yell heel authority. So, ba illak kun intanja, bilhayat, lezin kun dakil karakterabak konfakit min asul arba alwin. Uza litkun highly successful, kun dakal arba sawa. Ba saydi it's very rare. Of questionnaire, ta riban hawalit lati su'al, kame

Leadership, Hiring, And Productivity

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

in multiple choice questions, bis alaq su'al, masalanu, inta shura yak, anta aya wahadmin, bitna ejob halal. Araba ajubi nabukunu mosbuti, ba inta ki bit, aya jaweb ya lehuwe it reflec it. It fits you, uh. It fits you, yal inta duman math ede, gudum the logic tabweet has few waits with elak andta ayalone akter shima salanza minhalon. Anna atta bato, uhalashid will haiat. Aww mabalash blue. 100% to blue. Yeah, ktier blue, mashwaiti green. Bas makin and the emotion, makin and innovation, can and the shwait authority, oh bas a blue, very transactional, la and no background, tabayiti, yum can be jema talana mathematics, it's all about logic, u came in tabat nail computer, kaza can't tier hayeti and benil baden, makin fiq tier human interaction. Eh, demil screen, wantishtigril, a demil al macana, so mafi khbar sat hayatak nal makana. You know, but daktakya ara, whether they like logic. So kamen has she it reflected on my character. What has it shwe shwe akar? Bas baden, my exposure, my hayat, mal khibr. From a social perspective, but you know, social obligations, yara, too late, khaza, but hash k mean tiktushi vr, umurbilhayat yalhifalan heda.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

Oh halla, yane uh, to riban and basnam had a habit headl discussion. Oh, hopefully no jam fruk maratani akid.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

As if in uh episode. Oh, I keep we look forward for future uh sessions. Thank you, Mr. Twice. Thank you very much.