Turning Blockchain Data Into Business Decisions

Join us as we speak with Nia Whitaker, Blockchain Success Lead at Dune, about what it takes to make blockchain data usable for enterprises, not just engineers. From opening up complex data to non-technical teams to giving institutions a clear view into a chain's full history rather than isolated transactions, Nia explains why accessibility, not just raw data, is what actually earns trust. It's a grounded look at how businesses are learning to lean on Cardano with confidence.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Let's Talk Cardano, presented by the Cardano Foundation. In each episode, we delve deep into the transformative world of blockchain technology. Join us as we explore how blockchain is reshaping industries from finance to supply chain and talk with some of the key pioneers at the forefront of this revolution. All right here on Let's Talk Cardano.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

In this episode of Let's Talk Cardano, we speak with Naya Whitaker from Dune about the power of blockchain data for enterprise and why accessibility builds trust.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

So hello everybody. Welcome to Let's Talk Cardano. My name is Jake. I am the social media manager here at the Cardano Foundation. And today we have a very special guest. We're joined by Naya from Dune. Welcome to the show, Naya.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

Hi, Jacob. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Yeah, it's our pleasure. So I'd say we can start with the basics. So maybe for anyone who isn't familiar with Dune, could you just give them a quick, quick lookover of your platform?

SPEAKER_02 0:59

Yeah, of course, absolutely. And to give everybody just a little bit of context for why I have any authority to talk about Dune and it's blockchain data. I am the blockchain success lead at Dune. So I work with platforms and blockchains like Cardano to essentially make sure that their ecosystem has access to data and that basically everyone has a good understanding of what is available and what they can do with Dune. So Dune, for anyone who isn't super familiar, is a data analytics platform. We have over a hundred blockchains indexed. We have over a million users. We're very lucky to be so well loved. But we're essentially a place where you can answer any kind of analytics on-chain question that you have, both from a cross-chain perspective and then also from a protocol, even down to the asset and token level.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

Awesome. Yeah. As someone who's been in crypto since about 2017, I've always been familiar with Dune. So it was pretty exciting to me personally when Cardano was integrated with Dune, I think just a couple months ago. So could you tell me maybe what changed for Dune users once Cardano, once this Cardano integration went live?

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think the first is, you know, whenever we add a new blockchain to the platform, it's always great for the entirety of the community because they have access to more data. They have access to more cross-chain analytics, they're able to do better competitive analysis, they're able to be able to better understand how to make business decisions, how to, you know, you know, invest where they want to do more portfolio investment or any kind of like analysis. So just from that perspective, adding Cardano was very powerful. But also, Cardano is a very unique ecosystem where a lot of the projects are native. So for those teams to be able to access and be able to use their own analytics and build out their own use cases was pretty, pretty powerful and exciting. And we're happy that Dune is able to be part of that accessibility.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Yeah, we're super happy about that as well. So for a user on the Dune platform, walk me through it. What exactly can they see about Cardano? What data is available for a Dune user when they click on Cardano and your list of blockchains?

SPEAKER_02 3:10

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, honestly, Jacob, first uh working with the Cardano team has been super, super exciting, especially when you're working with a non-EVM platform. You tend to have to walk very much in lockstep with the team to understand how to use and how to integrate their data with your platform. So we were able to, with the Cardano team, actually integrate a high level of very granular data. We have everything from what you would expect for like an EVM chain, you know, transactions, uh token metadata, what's happening with a particular asset on the Cardano chain, all the way down to specifically governance for Cardano. So you can see the distribution of different stakeholders. You can see what is happening with a governance proposal at any given time. You can see where ADA is being staked. I honestly would be hard pressed to see exactly what you can't do with Cardano data on Dune. I think we even have a table that deals with off-chain pool data, which is a really big thing because there, as much as we love to provide on-chain data, there are like off-chain data aspects to any given protocol or blockchain. And being able to also make that public on Dune allows for powerful cross-analysis across the board.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Yeah. So I'm curious about that off-chain point. Do you have an example of something that's off-chain that you think is on is on Dune?

SPEAKER_02 4:33

So I would say specifically, off-chain data tends to be anything that, you know, to what it sounds like, is performed off-chain. So that could be anything from, for example, a financial platform that wants to, you know, show the end result of a pool activity or show an end result for, you know, stable coins or assets. For example, think about it as the on-ramp, an off-ramp for a particular stablecoin activity. So that action of transforming a stable coin to a fiat currency, you wouldn't necessarily be able to see that uh off-chain portion of that fiat currency. There's also a lot of things around like oracles, being able to see like Oracle activity or even something that has to deal with like bridging. There are some like off-chain portions. I would say for Dune, we have a good amount of off-chain data. We are very fortunate to work very closely with teams that uh provide that, including like layer zero data. Specific, however, to Cardano, we have the off-chain metadata for Cardano stake pools. So we actually have that in a table. You can take a look at the pool hash, you can see the ticker, the name, the description, where it lives, what exactly that off-chain data is doing, and be able to cross-analyze it with any asset data to be able to pull out analytics on what is happening with a particular pool token, anything else on Cardano all at once. And please let me know if uh you have any additional questions on that as well.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Yeah, of course. I mean, it sounds like the off-chain data is a real differentiating factor for Dune, perhaps. And so in the Cardano ecosystem, we have plenty of blockchain explorers. We have Cardano scan, Cardano Scan, AdaStat, a bunch of different ones. And so I'm kind of curious what Dune lets people do that other blockchain explorers don't.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

Yeah, absolutely. So I would say first that blockchain explorers, they are a very, very powerful tool. I think they're amazing to look at. I use blockchain explorers all the time myself to look at individual niche transactions. So I think the biggest differentiator between Dune and a blockchain explorer is that while on a blockchain explorer, you're looking at one singular transaction and you can get down into, for example, the metadata, the logs, what is actually happening with that transaction, you can do that across an entirety of the history, the history of a chain on Dune, right? So instead of running one single instance of analysis, you're doing all-time analysis, you're doing weekly analysis. You're able to pull all that information also into a translated, easy to understand story, right? I don't know how many times I've like worked with someone and they go into a blockchain explorer and you get stuck because you're looking at the metadata or the logs and you can't exactly understand what events or what has actually been emitted inside of a particular transaction. So, like you see, this amount went to this person, but you don't actually know what for or what happened in between, if there's something that actually happened with that particular smart contract. On Dune, you can actually see very granularly exactly what is happening with the transaction using the tables. And then if you are, you know, an amazing data engineer, a data analyst, you're actually able to transform that into a narrative that is can be presented to a community at whole, a board, an executive, so on and so forth to actually drive business cases.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Wow. Sounds pretty complex and multi-layered, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Yeah, yeah. So it it there are a lot of different layers to it. I think, you know, one thing that we can probably touch on is Dune has this amazing tool called the Dune MCP. It's essentially our AI tool that you can integrate with any agent that you have, you know, Claude, Cursor, any of the really popular agents. Uh, we also have CLI and skills, which kind of runs in the same vein. And by being able to use that tool means that even if you aren't a data engineer or data analyst, you can answer those business questions and you can actually build out all of these analyses, dashboards, queries without having to write a single line of SQL, which as someone who, even with three years under my belt at Dune is not super, super technical, is an amazing transformation in what I'm able to understand and pull out of the data that we even have on a day-to-day basis. So, as complex as it is, as you know, capable and deep as the Dune data is, I would say to anyone who is actually, you know, going to be using Cardano data on Dune, don't let the complexity stop you. You can absolutely get the information and the questions that you need answered using our Dune MCP.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

Yeah, super cool. So I'm I'm right there with you. I'm also not, I don't have a technical background. So it's been super cool for me to see over these last couple of years all the doors that these agents and these MCP servers have opened for people like us who don't have that technical background, you know?

SPEAKER_02 9:29

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's actually really funny because our our Dune MCP was something that was built, you know, not necessarily imagining that it was going to become as powerful as it has. And it really did end up being used very heavily, not only by, you know, users like myself or people who actually work for Dune that are non-technical like myself, but also a number of our users who are analysts or engineers, you know, to kind of circumvent having to write SQL or spend time coding. I think that it's it's really blown up the ability to, you know, get information and to understand and parse information as well. So, you know, I'm very excited to see what the Cardano community will do with it.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

As am I. And so I'm also curious about Cardano's architecture and how it fits into Dunes, Dunes platform. So Cardano is quite different from I would say most blockchains in that it's its model is not account-based, it's EUTXO-based. So I'm curious from your side, you know, as the data platform, what makes Cardano interesting or maybe even tricky to work with in that regard?

SPEAKER_02 10:38

So I would say first, um, Cardano data, this kind of goes back to what I was mentioning about working in lockstep with a team like Cardano, which is both non-EVM and UTXO-based. Essentially, we have taken a lot of that complexity out of the data in lockstep with that team. So the Cardano team was able to assist us with you know building out these tables, actually bringing them to Dune, and then parsing them into very easy to understand columns and row by row so that you're not necessarily getting caught up in the fact that you are looking at a UTXO chain versus a you know account-based chain. We also have Bitcoin data on Dune. So uh Cardano was not the first UTXO chain that Dune has had to work with, which I think really did help us in this case with being able to integrate it and make sure that the community would be able to parse the data. But because we worked so closely with the team, because we have such a high level of granularity, where it's like you have a table for actual account information, you have a table that actually shows the governance, you have a table that shows the asset metadata or the token metadata. So you're not necessarily getting too stuck in, you know, the ins and outflows. You are mostly focusing on the actual granular of what is happening with the data, which I think is very, very interesting for Cardano. I think it allows for a lot wider of an analysis and better understanding of what is actually happening on the chain versus potentially getting stuck in just like this is what happened, and then seeing to the point of us talking about the blockchain scanner, this person got this amount of money and this is how it looks in the ledger.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

Totally. And that actually leaves well into my next question, which was about enterprises and institutions. So I was kind of curious, you know, because a lot of these institutions, they're just kind of weighing chains against one another. So I was curious what Dune makes easier for those teams when they look at Cardano. I know you already went into this a bit, but maybe you could elaborate even more.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, enterprises are really it's really amazing kind of the the past year, how many enterprises have moved on chain, how much TradFi has changed things. I think honestly, you know, a lot of enterprise companies are looking for, you know, blockchains that they can trust. They're looking for information that alleviates the pressure of having to understand or even create that trust. And the best way to do that is to work with a platform like Dune, where we essentially are working at the foundational level. So we have the raw data for chains like Cardano. We have the data level that you are getting, you know, you're at the beginning and you're able to create the narrative and story that you're looking for. You have that flexibility. So, especially for an enterprise team or, you know, a TradFi team, you're able to actually take a look at, well, how is Cardano actually like performing from the KPIs that we consider to be most important? How are the tokens that we consider to be most important performing? They're able to take a look at their actual business use cases and turn them into easy to understand narratives, whether they're using the MCP or working with an analyst who's actually building those workflows and whether they're actually operating on Dune or using Dune's data, because I think sometimes what happens, our teams get kind of mired and stuck in this idea that a dashboard or a query is kind of the end all. But Dune is a very powerful, like we're we're a full data platform, right? We can be used both as a data warehouse. We can also be used to port data into a data warehouse internal to a team, because a number of these teams, especially enterprise and um, you know, Tradfy companies, want to pull all their data into one place so that they're actually able to, you know, write these narratives and work the data into their workflows. And we provide that capability through, you know, not only our platform or end user platform, but also through our our data share offering, which is like, you know, pulls, you know, tables in. But that's neither here nor there. As overall, the point is that they can take this data, understand and know and trust that we are providing the best quality data available and actually turn it into the narrative that they need to answer their business use cases, which is very, very powerful. And I will also say that we work with the Cardano team directly to put dashboards together to make sure that they have any of the narratives that they're driving with their company. So, or with their blockchain, excuse me. And essentially, you can actually go on to Dune. And if you aren't building out, you're just kind of getting started and you just want to take a look at something, you can jump into the Cardano account, look at dashboards that they've already created, look at, you know, queries and outputs that they've already created to see what is happening on the Cardano chain at any given time, and use that to start the narrative, to start asking the questions and then work with the data from there.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Wow. Great. So it sounds to me like like these dashboards, they're they're evolving. It's not really static.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely not like I think, you know, even a couple of years ago, dashboards, it's it's mostly been focusing on, all right, well, what's coming out on X? You know, what is someone saying or using like a Dune dashboard as an analysis for? And I think today it's more so how do we use this data to answer the question, right? Whether the question is something like, okay, well, what metrics are considered important for our success? And how do we track those metrics at a high level and in deep granularity to actually make sure that we are having the success that we want to have? Or even something along the lines of, you know, how do we track exactly where, for, you know, a blockchain like Cardano, how do we track our treasury? How do we track our governance proposals? Where do we put that information so that other people can see the decisions that we're making and the impact that it's having on the community at large? So that might be a dashboard. I'm not saying that dashboards don't have their place anymore. It's definitely something that is very, very useful for teams to be able to see in one easy to you know understand format. But it's also become more so how do we put together reports? How do we, you know, juice up our internal workflows and make sure that, you know, we have a good understanding of our data, even if we're pulling in our data from a place, how do we use an additional verification layer to make sure that we are able to trust the data that we have internally so that we can build out these use cases and continue to make very controlled, measured decisions. And so I think that to your point, we have matured to a point that dashboards are no longer the end-all be-all, and it's more so about the data itself.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

So, how do you confirm the data with oracles?

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Yeah. So essentially we so we have a few different methods that we use to actually maintain our data. First, there are a number of RPC providers that we work with that we have built amazing relationships with. Then for data for our non-EVMs like Cardano, we work very closely with your team to confirm, right? So it's almost like a loop. Like we have data that we get from your team that we confirm, then we reconfirm it with you guys, and that we're consistently kind of working to ensure that we're closing any gaps. We, of course, have our own internal workflows as well to do like alerting or to make sure that we are catching anything as early as possible if anything happens. We have a very amazing team. Like I work with some very, very impressive engineers who are constantly making sure that our data is up to date and trying to make sure that, you know, at any given point, our users are always getting the best quality data that we can provide.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Sounds like you have your own little consensus mechanism in order.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Yeah, yeah. I don't even know what it would be. It definitely it's not necessarily um maybe it is proof of stake. It's just that instead of like actual tokens, we're all kind of putting in our time, that like our tote the tokens time and the effort that we're putting in is all exactly, proof of time, proof of time. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

That's good. And so one aspect that you've mentioned a few times that I would like to dive a bit deeper into is the governance aspect. So I think governance is pretty, pretty big components of the Cardano ecosystem, Cardano blockchain. You know, we have D-Reps, Treasury proposals, governance actions, Cardano Constitution, and D-Reps. There's a lot of moving parts. So I'm kind of I'm curious what people on Dune today can see about Cardano governance.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Yeah, absolutely. And I love that you asked this question. I was actually reviewing Cardano's 2030 strategic framework recently. You know, you guys is plan to become the world's operating system. So I know governance is a huge part of what you guys are trying to provide to your community, which is amazing. You know, and that can really be reflected in Dune's data. We have a number of tables that have to deal with governance. I would say I uh, you know, brief count, you know, if anybody actually goes and counts our tables and I get it wrong, please, you know, don't hold me hold it against me. But we have probably about 30 to 40 percent of the tables that are on Dune for Cardano are governance-based. So we have everything from the actual governance proposals in data. We have the governance votes as well. We have the proposal status in data, we have the ability to see D-Rep distribution across time. You're able to do any kind of analysis that you want on the voting mechanisms, on the proposals, on the outcomes. And also, there's an amazing dashboard that has been built by the Cardano team that tracks card that tracks ADA staking, where you can actually see how much ADA has been staked at any given time. You can see the network health, you can also see the actual governance health as well, including including what the current epoch is. You can see exactly what is happening in terms of turnout, you know, the voting mechanisms that are in play. So if you don't actually want to dig into the tables or you know, you want to see what you can build using the governance tables on Dune, I would recommend going in, checking out the Cardano governance um dashboard first, and then jumping over to our documentation to actually take a look at the tables, take a look at the descriptions. We provide a very deep, in-depth level of information about exactly what it is that each table shows. And then you can actually see some examples in our docs. So you don't have to necessarily, again, get scared by the sequel. You can see what it is that you can actually work with from the first minute that you log into Dune.

SPEAKER_03 21:15

It sounds like it's uh foolproof.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Yeah, yeah. We hope so for certain. Yeah. And I think, you know, again, giving props over to the Cardano team, you guys very much know what is considered important in your ecosystem. And that made it very, very easy for us to know exactly what to incorporate and put on Dune.

SPEAKER_03 21:35

That's great to hear. Um, and so we say it could be quote unquote foolproof, but I'm sure that there might still be some friction for analysts when they open Dune and they're looking for some important information that that could provide some insights to them. So, would you have any advice to them? What mistakes could they avoid?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Yes. So I think the biggest thing when getting into Dune is kind of just getting into Dune. You know, part of the reason why I even bring up the MCP early is because making use of a powerful data platform can feel overwhelming for the first time when you use it. I always recommend that people join Dune, join our free tier first, use it as a testing mechanism to actually see how the Dune platform works. We have an amazing data explorer that you can use to actually just kind of scroll through the data that we have available. If you put Cardano in there, you'll actually just be able to see all the tables automatically, which will help get cut through a lot of the noise for you. And then just, you know, write some very basic queries, see how the data shows up for you. I think one big pitfall that, you know, users can fall into is that you don't necessarily know what you're looking for. You don't know what the end question you're trying to answer is. So think about, you know, what is it that you're trying to get out of the data, right? We provide so much that it can almost feel like you don't necessarily, if you're if you're not as clear on like what the end result that you're looking for is, that it can feel a little bit like trying to swim in choppy waters. So if you have that question in mind, if you know exactly what it is you're trying to do, it makes it so much easier to then say, okay, what data would I need to resolve this question? And then to go in and take a look at what data we have available and find it. Our documentation is also well maintained. Again, we keep all of the Cardano tables in that documentation. So you can see even today, without having to sign up for the Dune platform, exactly what we have available for Cardano. You can see what those tables would look like. You can see a description of how those tables work. And basically, you kind of have everything that you need to get started. If you get overwhelmed at any given point, we also have an amazing support team. Feel free to send us uh an email at support at dune.com. And also please feel free, Jacob. I'm not sure exactly where they can go for to speak with the Cardano team if they have any questions, but they will always reroute them to me as well. And I am always happy to help the Cardano team and the ecosystem thrive with data.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

That's amazing. Yeah, I think support and just building customer relationships is so important in this industry. So it's good to hear that you're so focused on it.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think, you know, the whole point of, I feel like data can be involved everywhere, right? Like data is very, very important and being able to trust exactly what is happening on any given platform or any given chain at a time. But at the same time, when you're first looking at data, you can kind of be like, I don't exactly know what I'm looking at. So to be able to help someone get from, you know, I don't know what's quite what's going on, to being able to pull out actual insights and be able to like drive their questions and their business use cases is a very satisfying feeling.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Yeah. And I think that's a really important word in today's day and age is trust.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

And that's something that here at the Cardano Foundation, we're really focused on, especially in this age of AI where they're just kind of repeating anything. There's no way to verify if the data is true or not. That's where blockchain comes in. And I think we can really, really um build upon it even more.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's it's very impressive how the Cardano team focuses on a level of transparency. You know, I think especially focusing so much on governance, making sure that, you know, everybody who's operating in your ecosystem gets a fair shake of understanding what's happening to that ecosystem and where it's going to go is is very powerful.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Absolutely. Yeah, I think transparency is core to the Cardano Foundation's ethos. We publish our financials on-chain, we try to be as transparent as possible. Um thanks for saying that.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Of course.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah, I think it's it's true to the blockchain spirit, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Yeah, yeah. I know. It's but we also we operate in a world where even though it's true to the blockchain spirit, people don't necessarily always know where and how to get that information. And I think the fact that Cardano actively makes sure that, you know, whether it's somebody who is technical, you know, and can find it on their own, or somebody who has never really looked at like a blockchain's financials before, they make it very, very clear is not necessarily something that you can find everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

So absolutely. So let's say that an institutional research team or an exchange or just a curious analyst is visiting Dune for the first time and they're looking at Cardano data. What's one thing that you would want them to walk away with understanding? Let's say within the first 30 minutes or so.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it kind of goes back to a little bit of what I was saying before, where in the first 30 minutes, the thing that you should take away is does this data answer my question or not? I believe that 99% of the time the answer is going to be yes. However, you do need to go in and take a look at the tables that are available. You need to take a look at, you know, in some cases, the dashboards that have already been built to be able to answer that question. And I think that that's how you should spend your first 30 minutes is understanding what is the use case that I'm actually trying to solve for? What answers do I actually need? And using this platform, can I get that information? I think that is that is the biggest thing that I think can slow a team down if they don't fully understand what it is that they're looking for. And when I say understand what you're looking for, I don't mean necessarily that you need to know exactly what the nitty-gritty is of like, what tables do I exactly need or anything along those lines? It's more so that if you know you and I are sitting and having a conversation, and I'm like, okay, well, you know, the board needs to know exactly what the health of the project is and what does health mean to your team? Does it mean that you are, you know, that a token that you've launched is improving and that you have necessarily, you know, the health that you need there? Does it mean that, you know, you're getting a number of users on your platform? What is it that you're looking to do? And then start there work backwards to figure out where in the data you can find it. Because as I said, 99% of the time you're gonna be able to find it on Dune. It's just if you don't have that in mind, it can be very overwhelming to try to figure that out.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Exactly. I think it helps a lot to just know what you're looking for, set some goals, set some objectives, otherwise you could get lost exploring the data.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Yeah. I mean, start with the question for certain. Start with the question. Because if you if you look, there's always a thousand answers, but if you don't know what the question is, you're not sure which one is actually valid.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Yeah, exactly. And so did anything surprise the Dune team when working with Cardano data?

SPEAKER_02 28:40

You know, I think the biggest surprise is always, you know, how well versed a team is, you know, in their own data. I think that the Dune team is used to being the experts. And I think in in this case, card the Cardano team was very, very helpful and very much able to like make sure that we had a good understanding of what it is that they wanted out of the data that they wanted to see on Dune, you know, what it is that the granularity that they were trying to put out, you know, the fact that governance was a huge thing that they wanted to make sure the community would be able to see and access at any given time. I think in terms of the actual data, there weren't too many surprises, but I'm gonna be honest that that's probably a good thing. You know, I think that surprises when it comes to like pulling data into, you know, a platform usually doesn't mean anything good for the platform or the user themselves. It usually means um, you know, slower use times. But in this case, uh, you know, the Cardano team was well prepared and the Dune team was right there to provide assistance, and I think everything went very, very smoothly.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Super happy to hear that.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

And and I want to look forward maybe a little bit. Where do you see this growing into? What's your vision not only for Dune and Cardano together, but also just for Dune as a whole?

SPEAKER_02 29:59

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, my goal specifically is always twofold. One, it's to make sure that the Cardano team has what it is that they need, right? I specifically would love to see that the Cardano ecosystem is able to adopt dunes data, to actually, you know, be able to make their business case decisions, to be able to support the workflows that they have internally and just overall helping to add to the robustness, robustness of Cardano's ecosystem data. And then internal to Cardano, love working with the team, always excited to get closer to them, make sure that they also have what they need that you all are very well versed in your data on Dune and anything else that you guys need internal to Gaps closed. So that is pretty much my vision for Cardano and Dune. And I think that the partnership is going to be magnificent as we continue to grow together. Overall, Dune is doing a lot of very exciting things. We have a number of uh premium data sets that we've just come out with, including our prediction market data set. We have a balances data set that is great for anyone who is interested in auditing or trying to figure out how to do a little bit of that verification and trust for their balance sheets. We have a number of other data sets that are going to be coming out, so keep your eye on our pipeline. And then as per usual, we're trying to make sure that you know data gets to where it needs to go and that anyone who comes to Dune who is looking to solve for a business case, especially our enterprise customers, are able to translate the data and the depth of data that we have on Dune to make their business usable, to make their business cases available, to make sure that they're able to, you know, answer the questions that they have using the pipelines that we've built on Dune. And so wherever, whatever rabbit hole that takes us down is what we're willing to do to make sure that our community and our users get what they need.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

That's a great vision. I'd say that you're already doing a great job of it.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Thank you so much. I again, we have an amazing team behind us who are all very, very, you know, dedicated to making sure that the dream happens for Dune and for Dune's users. And we couldn't be more excited to be working with the Cardano team and the ecosystem as a whole.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

We can only say the same. So that about does it for my end. I'm all out of questions and we're near time. But um I want to give you the opportunity to just share any last words if you have any, the audience.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Absolutely. I mean, if anyone, you know, anyone from the Cardano ecosystem that is interested in getting used, getting used to Dune's data or using Dune's data, I would recommend that you join Dune, sign up for a free account, test out the data, see if it works for you. Please feel free to reach out to us if you have any questions regarding the data that we have available on Dune. Um, as I mentioned, we have an amazing support team, an amazing AE team that will work with you to ensure that you're able to enrich your workflows internally or answer any questions that you guys have. And, you know, thank you so much for having me today, Jacob. This has been very fun. And I can't wait to see what we all do together next.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah, neither can I. It's been a pleasure, and I am. I really enjoyed the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 33:17

Same here.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Everyone listening out there, this has been Let's Talk Cardano. See you next time.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

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