{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":64.653,"endTime":66.829,"body":"Thank you so much for joining us today."},{"startTime":66.829,"endTime":69.843,"body":"Welcome to the Rights on the line"},{"startTime":66.829,"endTime":69.843,"body":"podcast."},{"startTime":69.843,"endTime":72.521,"body":"We're very pleased to have you with us."},{"startTime":72.521,"endTime":75.468,"body":"Please tell our listeners"},{"startTime":72.521,"endTime":75.468,"body":"a bit more about yourself"},{"startTime":75.468,"endTime":78.481,"body":"and the work that you do"},{"startTime":75.468,"endTime":78.481,"body":"and where you're from."},{"startTime":78.715,"endTime":80.624,"body":"Thank you for having me today."},{"startTime":80.624,"endTime":84.24,"body":"My name is Mona Shtaya"},{"startTime":80.624,"endTime":84.24,"body":"and I am a digital rights defender"},{"startTime":84.24,"endTime":86.45,"body":"working in the Mena region."},{"startTime":86.45,"endTime":89.463,"body":"I am Palestinian, 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And sorry, I'm gonna ask you."},{"startTime":2727.469,"endTime":2728.473,"body":"Guys."},{"startTime":2728.473,"endTime":2731.453,"body":"Interesting conversation."},{"startTime":2731.654,"endTime":2734.634,"body":"You know, we"},{"startTime":2731.654,"endTime":2734.634,"body":"we spoke a lot about censoring,"},{"startTime":2734.935,"endTime":2738.417,"body":"you know, pro-Palestinian content,"},{"startTime":2734.935,"endTime":2738.417,"body":"we hope."},{"startTime":2738.718,"endTime":2742.837,"body":"Has there been any feedback"},{"startTime":2738.718,"endTime":2742.837,"body":"from some platforms like meta in terms of,"},{"startTime":2744.243,"endTime":2746.419,"body":"for example, I, you know, I've seen,"},{"startTime":2746.419,"endTime":2750.203,"body":"content of Israeli soldiers,"},{"startTime":2746.419,"endTime":2750.203,"body":"you know, saying"},{"startTime":2750.605,"endTime":2754.589,"body":"disgusting things and, you 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happen."},{"startTime":2780.939,"endTime":2783.919,"body":"The other thing, as,"},{"startTime":2783.919,"endTime":2786.397,"body":"there is a special treatment on the"},{"startTime":2788.272,"endTime":2789.678,"body":"on the,"},{"startTime":2789.678,"endTime":2792.993,"body":"social on, on the tech platforms, policies"},{"startTime":2793.194,"endTime":2798.149,"body":"that give certain exceptions"},{"startTime":2793.194,"endTime":2798.149,"body":"to political leaders, because."},{"startTime":2798.149,"endTime":2799.789,"body":"Yeah, definitely."},{"startTime":2799.789,"endTime":2802.97,"body":"That's why usually political leaders"},{"startTime":2799.789,"endTime":2802.97,"body":"can share whatever they want,"},{"startTime":2802.97,"endTime":2805.046,"body":"even return policy."},{"startTime":2805.046,"endTime":2808.193,"body":"Yes, there is, political leaders, thing,"},{"startTime":2809.097,"endTime":2811.609,"body":"some companies were looking into that"},{"startTime":2811.609,"endTime":2814.588,"body":"after, Trump ban,"},{"startTime":2814.823,"endTime":2816.698,"body":"a few years ago."},{"startTime":2816.698,"endTime":2819.678,"body":"But now there is still this exception."},{"startTime":2820.716,"endTime":2822.758,"body":"And they claim that people"},{"startTime":2822.758,"endTime":2827.178,"body":"should be able to see whatever"},{"startTime":2822.758,"endTime":2827.178,"body":"their political leaders are saying,"},{"startTime":2827.178,"endTime":2831.229,"body":"with no filters"},{"startTime":2827.178,"endTime":2831.229,"body":"or with no censorship or moderation."},{"startTime":2833.137,"endTime":2835.414,"body":"And that's problematic"},{"startTime":2833.137,"endTime":2835.414,"body":"from my point of view."},{"startTime":2835.414,"endTime":2839.298,"body":"Political leaders"},{"startTime":2835.414,"endTime":2839.298,"body":"should have extra layer of censorship"},{"startTime":2839.298,"endTime":2845.325,"body":"cause 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