How a US Naval Engineer Built a Business to Work From Anywhere and How You Can Too with Dev Chandra, Business Systems Consultant | Ep 14

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What's the real cost of living the nomad lifestyle around the world?

Ryan welcome’s US Reservist, Dev Chandra, whose journey from Navy engineer to international business systems consultant reveals a completely different approach to building location independence - one that doesn't require sacrificing stability or professional growth.

Learn why having proper systems is crucial before you leave - and exactly what those systems need to look like for sustainable success. Dev reveals specific strategies about managing remote teams, automating business processes, and building high-value client relationships that don't require your constant presence.

Chapters:
02:29 - Why Bangkok became a nomadic hub
05:51 - Transitioning from navy to nomadic life
15:56 - Realizing the need for a home base
29:21 - Burning Man, Machu Picchu and Latin America
43:13 - Top Remote Work Tool

Dev breaks down the real economics of the digital nomad lifestyle, including how much savings you actually need, how to calculate your true monthly costs, and how to build multiple income streams that support long-term travel.

Press play and learn how to create systems that let you work from anywhere while advancing your career. This conversation could be the turning point in your journey toward location independence.

Whether you're exploring tools for going remote or looking for insider knowledge about high-level entrepreneur communities like Dynamite Circle, this episode delivers practical, actionable advice that goes far beyond the usual "just quit your job" narrative.

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Chapters

• 2:29 Why Bangkok became a nomadic hub
• 5:51 Transitioning from navy to nomadic life
• 15:56 Realizing the need for a home base
• 29:21 Burning Man, Machu Picchu and Latin America
• 43:13 Top remote work tool

Transcript

[00:00:00] Ryan Mellon: Can you really balance adventure, responsibility, and financial stability while living a location independent lifestyle? Today, I sat down with Dev Chandra, a Navy reservist turned digital nomad who has cracked the code on combining military service with location independence. Discover how Dev helps entrepreneurs integrate AI and systems into their businesses while traveling to places like Bangkok, Bali, and Guatemala.

[00:00:23] Ryan Mellon: Learn the exact tools he uses to stay productive while traveling and his brutally honest take on the challenges of nomad life. Including the time he had to move back home to rebuild his savings. Dev shares insider tips on joining nomad communities like Dynamite Circle, where the minimum entry requirement is 100, 000 in annual revenue.

[00:00:42] Ryan Mellon: Stay until the end to hear this incredible story about celebrating New Year's Eve in a private cave in Bali. If you've ever wondered how to balance adventure with responsibility, or how to build a sustainable nomad lifestyle, this episode is your roadmap to making it happen.

[00:00:57] Ryan Mellon: ~Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Digital Nomad Nation, and ~ [00:01:00] [00:02:00] today I have Dev Chandra. Welcome, Dev. How are you today?

[00:02:05] Dev Chandra: Doing well. How are you?

[00:02:07] Ryan Mellon: I'm doing great, man. So, tell me, where are you from, and, uh, where are you at now?

[00:02:13] Dev Chandra: Yeah. So I'm originally from central Pennsylvania and, uh,~ uh,~ currently,~ uh,~ in Bangkok, though.

[00:02:20] Ryan Mellon: Okay. Why Bangkok? Tell me about that.

[00:02:23] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so I actually,~ um,~ a couple of months ago, I came here for the dynamite circle conference that was in October. So I basically I've been nomading for the last couple of years, but then I,~ um,~ this past stint, I took the nomad cruise from. Vancouver to Alaska to Tokyo, and I was there a couple days and then flew to Bangkok.

[00:02:44] Dev Chandra: And then I've been in and out of Bangkok the last couple of months. So I really like the city. It reminds me of like New York. I would say like the I would say like the Asian New York, but I I'm not a city guy. I'm just it's a good place to transit through. So I'm just here for a couple days and then I'm [00:03:00] out.

[00:03:00] Ryan Mellon: Bangkok is a great place. It's a big digital nomad hotspot. And honestly, the first time I went there, I went there with just only knowing of what I've seen on the movies. And, and I really had this negative, like.

[00:03:16] Ryan Mellon: I guess I just was expecting it just to be not that great of a place. And then I got there and I was like, wow, man, this is a world class city. ~Uh, ~you have such a great nightlife and it's a 24 hour city and you have some really classy places, some really low end places, but it's also like. Just such a, such a cool spot.

[00:03:39] Ryan Mellon: And,~ um,~ a lot of digital nomads definitely,~ um,~ hang out there. And it's like you said, a great place to jump off to other places in Southeast Asia, like, ~um, ~like Bali, for instance. I know you were in Bali,~ uh,~ just recently and we tried to get together, but due to me being under the weather just didn't, did not work out.

[00:03:58] Ryan Mellon: So where do you think [00:04:00] is next for you?

[00:04:01] Dev Chandra: ~Uh, ~Yeah. So I'm headed to Guatemala for a friend's wedding. ~Um,~

[00:04:04] Dev Chandra: and then I got,~ uh,~ some other stuff planned in the Americas and then we'll see.

[00:04:09] Ryan Mellon: Okay. Guatemala. That'll be awesome. ~I've never been there before. So enjoy that.~

[00:04:12] Dev Chandra: Yeah, it's my second time. I would highly recommend. Very underrated,~ uh,~ country. Like, you can climb a volcano. Like, you can do a two day volcano hike for like a hundred dollars US. You can,~ um,~ go to the beach. ~Uh, ~there's this really beautiful lake. Highly, highly recommend.

[00:04:28] Ryan Mellon: okay. Awesome. So, ~uh, ~what parts of Guatemala have you gone to? Is there any specific places that, that you like?

[00:04:37] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so Antigua is like a pretty decent nomad hotspot. ~Uh, ~and then Lake Atalan is,~ um,~ probably an hour or so from Antigua. And there's like all these little towns surrounding the lake. And,~ um,~ yeah, it's a really cool happening place.

[00:04:50] Ryan Mellon: ~Awesome.~ Yeah, I've been to,~ uh,~ quite a few places, Central and South America, but never made it to Guatemala. So, definitely have to check that out. So, take, take me back. ~Um, ~you were in [00:05:00] the Navy, right? So, how did you transition from being in the Navy, which is definitely not a digital nomad career, to where you're at today?

[00:05:11] Dev Chandra: Yeah, I mean, I really wanted to, I guess, see the world. Like, that's initially when I'm like thinking Navy, that's what I wanted to do. ~Um, ~And I in college met my recruiting chief and like, he was like, Hey, like, this is a really cool part of the Navy. You should go into it. I'm like, Oh, cool. So basically I got into this engineering program in the Navy.

[00:05:34] Dev Chandra: ~Um, ~I worked as an engineer for three years. ~Uh, ~and then I did three years as a congressional aide. ~Um, ~now I would have, I had a five year commitment, but because it was in the pandemic, I decided to stick around for another year. Yeah. Yeah. ~Um, ~just just for stability. But like after the Navy, I knew I wanted to travel because I didn't do a ton of traveling in my role.

[00:05:53] Dev Chandra: So like I wanted to go see the world and I was actually planning to backpack the world and just work on my [00:06:00] blog. ~Um, ~but that didn't, that didn't happen because of the pandemic. So then I, yeah. So, but I, I did make it out. I went to Mexico. I spent a lot of time in Latin America, spent time in Europe,~ uh,~ right after.

[00:06:11] Dev Chandra: So I, yeah. From transitioning. It was basically my blog. I started a blog, maybe two years, three years before I left the Navy. And then I really, my first thing was trying to grow the affiliate blog, be a productivity coach,~ um,~ which is what I started off doing. So that's how I transitioned out.

[00:06:30] Ryan Mellon: Okay, so after you left the Navy, you started the blog, and what was the blog about?

[00:06:35] Dev Chandra: ~Yeah, so I started about two years before I left or two or three years.~ It's called the process hacker.

[00:06:37] Dev Chandra: it was originally a productivity blog where I talked about time management,~ um,~ habits,~ uh,~ self help type stuff.~ Um, ~so yeah, and then it morphed, I guess, over time, it morphed into doing ops because in my roles in the Navy, I did a lot of project management, process improvement.

[00:06:54] Dev Chandra: So I, I started talking about operations. I got into small business ops,~ um,~ and just blogging [00:07:00] about how to, how to run and manage teams.

[00:07:03] Ryan Mellon: So, your background in the Navy has helped you with what you're doing now, like building the business that you run now, and so tell us a little bit about what you do as a, you know, as you're traveling. What, what are you doing? What is your business?

[00:07:19] Dev Chandra: so just one thing to know I'm still technically in the Navy. I'm still reservists. ~Um,~

[00:07:23] Dev Chandra: and I'm an engineering officer,~ um,~ as a reservists. And that that does help what I do now, right? Like I think basically the skills I learned were like managing people project management process improvement, and I was able to. work with my mentor, that was like one of my first few gigs, Manny. And we worked on this program called Quantum Leap and essentially helping entrepreneurs be accountable to have better habits, plan their day. And I was one of his first coach in that program. And so from there, I got to see how entrepreneurs function.

[00:07:58] Dev Chandra: I got to like,~ um,~ See what they're [00:08:00] working on. And that's where I really started learning about entrepreneurship. It was like seeing Manny grow the business, but as well as seeing these other entrepreneurs really,~ um,~ grow their own businesses.

[00:08:09] Ryan Mellon: ~Okay. Awesome. ~So I've actually never met a digital nomad that's in the reserves, like, currently while traveling. So, tell me logistically, I know, like, most of us, the, our view of the reserves is, like, one weekend a month, two weeks a year. Is that still true for you? Like, do you have to fly home to the States ever so often to fill your duties?

[00:08:33] Dev Chandra: Yeah. So when I was first qualifying,~ um,~ I would pretty much be there most months and. So I've spent like a couple weeks and like, and I was also doing an MBA remotely at the time too. So in the, so it was the pandemic. So there was a lot of leniency in the pandemic, right? For drill weekends because of like COVID and stuff like that.

[00:08:52] Dev Chandra: Right? So during the pandemic, I would probably go in to maybe once every, like every other [00:09:00] month, or just depends on the schedule, right? When I was home, I would also be doing drills. Yeah. Like I would try to like, it's very common in the reserves to put your drills together. So like, let's say you did six days in a row, that'd be three months worth of drills.

[00:09:15] Dev Chandra: So I've done stuff like that too.~ Um, ~so you just have to be creative as long as you fulfill your obligations. Anything is possible. I think if you're creative enough, if you're willing to figure out, Hey, I'm getting my job done, I'm supporting my unit. So, and I will also what I would do is because I was living in Pittsburgh at the time, I would, I was doing my MBA at Carnegie Mellon.

[00:09:36] Dev Chandra: So I had to be at my MBA every, every two months for in person stuff. And it was a virtual MBA. So I would part, I would, I would group the times that I would be doing my MBA, like in person stuff with my reserve duty. So it all, like I figured it out. And then when I wasn't at home, I'd be like traveling abroad or like basically in Latin America or Europe.

[00:09:59] Ryan Mellon: [00:10:00] Okay. 

[00:10:00] Dev Chandra: um, yeah. 

[00:10:02] Ryan Mellon: creative with that because like, ~um, ~if, if someone said like they're in the reserves and I want to be a digital nomad, my first initial reaction is like, that's probably not possible, but just you explaining how, how to 

[00:10:13] Dev Chandra: I mean, for a lot of jobs, it might not be possible. It's just being creative enough to find roles because a lot of roles are not especially in the army. It's like, there's reserves places all over the country. Right? And same thing. I think the Air Force has reserved bases all over, but the Navy. Is focused on the coast.

[00:10:34] Dev Chandra: Right. And so. A lot of people will have to group drills together and, and, and do like once a quarter, like a week's worth of stuff. Right. And then we have the two weeks to a month, a year, like this year I'm going to Japan for a month. So,~ um,~ I'm still getting to travel in my reserve duty, which is kind of really kind of cool.

[00:10:55] Dev Chandra: So you can really, if you're creative enough and you're, and you're fulfilling your obligation, [00:11:00] anything's possible, I think. Yeah.

[00:11:03] Ryan Mellon: that, so you're doing your two weeks in Japan for the Navy, right?

[00:11:08] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so I'm going to do a whole month,

[00:11:10] Ryan Mellon: okay.

[00:11:11] Dev Chandra: this, this February, I'll be in Japan,~ uh,~ running a unit in Japan. So it'll be cool.

[00:11:17] Ryan Mellon: That's amazing. And I imagine Uncle Sam is picking up your flight for that, right?

[00:11:22] Dev Chandra: Yeah. I mean, they fly you out. ~Um, ~I mean, so when you're doing an overseas assignment, they really don't send you unless you do a full month or, or longer than that. So there's ways of funding because It's like not worth the money. Obviously, if you're like going for two weeks, it's, yeah. So

[00:11:40] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, very I would have never thought that would be, uh, possible. And I love how you've gotten really creative to travel and fulfill your obligation to the country at the same time.~ Like, that's amazing.~

[00:11:50] Dev Chandra: Yeah. But the job does come first. The travel is like, like a benefit. Right. But like a lot of people like the military is a global institution. [00:12:00] So people are going all over for all sorts of jobs that are that are needed to be done.

[00:12:04] Ryan Mellon: ~awesome. Yeah, that's creative.~ I love it. so as far as working on your business,~ um,~ I was on your site and it looks like you're helping people integrate like AI and into their business. So could you give us a, like an example of a recent client that you've helped,~ um,~ and walk us through like what you do,~ uh,~ to help businesses integrate AI?

[00:12:25] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so it's a couple of things. It's also systems development. AI is like the flashy term. So,~ um,~ like one of my clients, Trevor, he runs a, this is actually very nomad related. He's nomadic, runs a points and miles concierge service. So helping guys and girls travel hack. So basically he tells you what credit cards to take out, when to take, like when to cancel, when to upgrade, whatever.

[00:12:50] Dev Chandra: And he gets you, he promises you a million miles or points. Right. And,~ uh,~ and then he helps his clients find good routes to travel on. So what we're [00:13:00] doing with his business is we're building good notion systems. So notion's a tool where you can hold data, organize your business,~ um,~ in terms of like, like the clients having client database, having credit card database, having the right data, right.

[00:13:14] Dev Chandra: And then automating a lot of emails. So a lot of, A lot of his services were automated or automating the actual,~ um,~ like nitty gritty admin work of like sending emails out of like managing data and stuff like that, of having dashboards available. So it's really,~ um,~ going to save him so much time because like a lot of clients, they're just manually copy and paste thing.

[00:13:37] Dev Chandra: It's like, Oh, I copy and paste the same stuff to clients nonstop. And it's like anything you can copy and paste, we're going to get rid of. So.

[00:13:45] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, it's, it's all those little things that being an entrepreneur that you have to keep up with that just really take, just eat up massive amounts of time. Right. And it takes away from the important thing, which is like being creative and building that new, [00:14:00] building that business without being the secretary and running all the, all the, all the mundane stuff.

[00:14:07] Ryan Mellon: So I love that. That's awesome.~ Um, ~so. Are you, how, about how much time would you say you travel,~ um,~ each year, and do you have a home base?

[00:14:17] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so actually about that, I, one realization I made in Bali this year is I, and I learned this like recently, like I'm getting kind of burned out by travel in the sense that my, I, I think my values are community and adventure. Right. And then in terms of like, I want to be in a place where I can build deep relationships, really get to know a place.

[00:14:38] Dev Chandra: Yeah. And the issue is like, wherever you go now, in my head, I'm like, I love Bali so much that if I want to make Bali my home, I have to really invest in it. And I didn't see my future in Bali. Like as much as like, like Bali to me is my favorite spot. Like Canggu specifically is my favorite place in Southeast Asia. I didn't see my future there. And [00:15:00] so I'm actually gonna travel for another six or seven months. I'm going to go to Europe this summer. I'm gonna go to Japan and then go to Europe this summer. Maybe go to South Africa. And then after my European summer, I'm going to move to Austin, most likely, and then I'm going to start building roots and then maybe just travel like one to two months out of the year, as opposed to,~ um,~ a lot.

[00:15:22] Dev Chandra: So my thing is, let me like, let me get deep in one place and build community, have routines. Like I want to build my business. So part of me is just me wanting to focus on business. And also probably get a long term relationship, uh, which is hard to do while traveling. So it's, that's why I, I want to just find a home base and it's going to be awesome.

[00:15:46] Dev Chandra: I think in so

[00:15:48] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, it makes sense. You, you bring up a lot of good points. And Austin is like my, I'm not a big city guy, but Austin is my favorite city in all of the states. It's so chill. There's so much cool stuff to do. And there's a [00:16:00] There's a, it's a younger crowd too. So if you're looking to date, like that's a great place to be as well.

[00:16:05] Ryan Mellon: ~Um, ~and you, and, and, and dating on in general, like as a digital nomad, it's a little bit of a struggle, right? Ideally you find another digital nomad that's just as free as you are. And you guys can travel together, but. You know, it's not, it's, it's easier said than done. And that can be definitely a challenge that a lot of people bring up.

[00:16:27] Ryan Mellon: So I like that you're thinking of having more of like a home base, like Austin and traveling when you feel like it, like for me specifically, I call myself a hybrid nomad, you know, I say I'm at home six months out of the year and I'm in. for six months out of the year, this, this winter and just getting out of the winters.

[00:16:47] Ryan Mellon: And then that also allows me because I'm a real estate investor to actually,~ um,~ when I'm home in the summer times, be the boots on the grounds and, and handle,~ uh,~ renovations, repairs and turnovers and [00:17:00] stuff like that. So having a home base. Is for me very important. ~Um, ~and so I, I totally under, I understand that where you're coming from.

[00:17:09] Ryan Mellon: ~Um, ~but there are a lot of people out there that are just roaming free for, uh, years and decades. And it's, it's definitely the great thing about it is you can. Just choose whatever format you want and make it happen. So,

[00:17:25] Dev Chandra: I

[00:17:25] Dev Chandra: totally agree. And I think like Every like you when I'm me being on the road, I met people that do all sorts of different things. There's people that have home bases. This which is, I think, very common. I think after a while, people pick a home base. They gravitate toward a place. And then there's people that do travel very few.

[00:17:42] Dev Chandra: I think that travel nonstop for just years and years and years on end.

[00:17:47] Ryan Mellon: yeah, no, I just,~ uh,~ my last,~ um,~ podcast has just came out. her name was Suzanne and she's been traveling for a decade. And does not have a home base. And I, I commend her for that. It's like super [00:18:00] adventurous. Like she, she was boat sitting on a sailboat for friends. And it's just like, you know, what's great about it is like, whatever works for you, like if you don't want a home base.

[00:18:11] Ryan Mellon: You can completely eliminate that cost, right? 

[00:18:15] Ryan Mellon: So one of the downsides of having a home base is what do you do with it? When you're gone, you've got to think about that. Does it, is, is it turned into an Airbnb situation? ~Um, ~do you want to bring income in while you're gone? ~Uh, ~do you want to do, you know, If you have pets, stuff like that.

[00:18:32] Ryan Mellon: So yeah, so take me back to the time. Is there like a time or a place that, that, that you knew that like digital nomad life was for you?

[00:18:42] Dev Chandra: Yeah. I mean, I think you're just. I think being in the US like great country, but you know, there's a lot of flaws, obviously, but you're kind of. You know, like you just have, like, if you do have a travel bug, which I do, like, it's like you have this urge to get out. Like I was living in [00:19:00] Washington DC and I would take trips like at least once a month, like every month I would fly somewhere or, or be on the road somewhere.

[00:19:08] Dev Chandra: ~Uh, ~well, one, I think I realized that this is probably due to the fact that I didn't love Washington DC. And then, yeah, which not a not a great city in my opinion. Don't like go

[00:19:17] Dev Chandra: visit it for a couple of days, but don't live there. ~Um~

[00:19:20] Ryan Mellon: I think that's a hard city to love.

[00:19:22] Dev Chandra: Yeah, it's it's expensive. It's very is one of the least safe cities in the U. S. And then it's also very political and politics bleeds into everything.~ Um, ~so just not a fan. Personally,~ uh,~ we're like, you know, I want to move somewhere where, you know, I can afford. More and I could have good community where, you know, and also niceties.

[00:19:44] Dev Chandra: Like, I think,~ um,~ that's the one thing also like about, like you hear about the South is like, okay, people are nicer than in like place like DC where nobody smiles or says hi to you or stuff like that, which is really rough, unfortunately.

[00:19:58] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. No [00:20:00] Southern hospitality. Right. So I'm from 

[00:20:01] Dev Chandra: Well, even in, 

[00:20:03] Ryan Mellon: I feel like we're way more chill, 

[00:20:05] Dev Chandra: yeah. 

[00:20:05] Dev Chandra: Virginia. Like I lived there for a year. I think like you realize this, like, I had this realization when I was in Mexico for a while and like Latin America and everybody says hi to each other. Right. You walk down the street, you say like, good morning. You say, how are you?

[00:20:22] Dev Chandra: You know, like,~ um,~ like there's this in Latin America, like. If you don't say good morning or good evening, or it's just like, what's wrong with you, you know, and I think this is like something that's missing in parts of the U. S. Right. It's just a simple, nice cities. When you get into your uber, you say, like, Good morning.

[00:20:38] Dev Chandra: Like, how are you doing? You know, like,~ um,~ so, yeah.

[00:20:41] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, it's, it's definitely like experiencing both sides of it, like just that how cold it can be in some parts of the country as far as interacting with others just can really be off putting, especially when you're used to friendly people. And that's like [00:21:00] one of the top five things that I love about Bali is that the people here are just absolutely so hospitable.

[00:21:07] Ryan Mellon: They will go out of their way to do anything for you. They're friendly. They're generally interested in who you are and where you're from. And they are just absolutely just amazing. So yeah, that's a big. Big decision maker for me were like,~ um,~ if I'm going to stay in a place long term is like the vibes of the people.

[00:21:29] Ryan Mellon: So yeah, I totally agree with you.

[00:21:31] Dev Chandra: Oh, I mean, but Bali is amazing for that. Even the Burmese people I've been learning recently is Thailand has a lot of Burmese workers in like, and they're super friendly. ~Um, ~yeah, it's definitely makes a huge difference. Even like Latin, like if you're in Mexico, like, and you're not in, like, if you get away from the city a little bit, like people are so nice.

[00:21:51] Ryan Mellon: I agree. I've spent at least like probably nine months in Mexico, all over Mexico. And I love Mexico. It's so friendly. And if [00:22:00] you can speak a little Spanish, it's like makes it so much easier and the food is amazing.

[00:22:05] Dev Chandra: Oh, amazing food. Yeah.

[00:22:07] Ryan Mellon: So how do you choose your next destination and like what factors into into that decision?

[00:22:13] Dev Chandra: Yeah, I think it's, it's all about people. Like, I literally just traveled to visit friends now. So I don't even, I like, like, like,~ um,~ like I was just in Koh Samui in Koh Phangan, and my friend Trevor was in Koh Samui, so I got to hang out with him. My friend Joe had a resort. He has a resort. Check it out. Tiki Beach in Koh Phangan.

[00:22:34] Dev Chandra: I got to stay there, hang out with him. And I saw some other friends from the nomad cruise and dynamite circle, which are like two of my communities. I'm a part of that, like in these places. And then here I'm back in Bangkok and hang out with some nomads, Guatemala, like friends from the, so it's just, it's just constantly just like, where are my friends are going to be?

[00:22:55] Dev Chandra: Where's my communities at? And then that's how I plan my trips. I don't really, I don't look [00:23:00] at it like, Oh, I've never been to that place. Let me just go there on my own. It's not, that doesn't, that doesn't faze me anymore.

[00:23:06] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, and then as a traveler as a more of a solo traveler like you're never really Alone, right? You always have friends to go visit or you're in a cool place and they hit you up. Hey, what's up? Can can I come hang out? You know, like I always tell friends and family like wherever I am just Come, come on a big one week vacation, come hang out with me wherever I am.

[00:23:30] Ryan Mellon: And also with nomad friends that I meet that I've met,~ um,~ I have a friend from Denmark that I met in Thailand coming here soon. I have my, a friend from Germany that I met in Australia during my travels coming to visit here. So like you, you get to. See friends from all over the world, and it's always a good time having those reunions.

[00:23:54] Dev Chandra: Yeah.

[00:23:55] Ryan Mellon: So tell me,~ um,~ in your opinion, what is one of the [00:24:00] most underrated places other than, I know we, we talked about Guatemala, but is there another place in your opinion that you think may be underrated?

[00:24:10] Dev Chandra: I think it was underrated like Portugal, but now it's mainstream.~ Um, ~Portugal, like five years ago, it wasn't on people's radars and now like everybody wants to go there. So it's kind of sucks.~ Um, ~so in that vein, like Madeira for sure, underrated, I would say, like,~ um,~ not very, very common. It's a pretty cool island to be at,~ uh,~ Bulgaria, Bansko, like if you're into like the outdoors,~ um,~ if you're a nomad, you probably know about it, but if, if you're not, it might not have heard about it.

[00:24:39] Dev Chandra: ~Um, Yeah.~

[00:24:39] Ryan Mellon: goes ones that comes up very frequently on the, on the podcast. And,~ uh,~ yeah, if it wasn't snowing, I'd definitely be checking it 

[00:24:47] Dev Chandra: for sure. Yeah, it's I know Marvin, our friend Marvin is there right now. 

[00:24:51] Ryan Mellon: see his videos every day. A couple,~ uh,~ a couple, at least six inches of snow on the ground, man. And that's not for me, [00:25:00] but,~ uh,~ I bet you it's great skiing and snowboarding out there right now. So I do miss that. That's the only thing I miss about winter.

[00:25:06] Dev Chandra: for sure.

[00:25:07] Ryan Mellon: So tell me about one of your top five experiences that you've had during your travels.

[00:25:12] Ryan Mellon: Is there anything that sticks out in your mind?

[00:25:15] Dev Chandra: ~I would say like, um, like during the trip, I mean, I mean,~ I just hiked Machu Picchu like this past April. May, which was really, really cool. Maybe it was, yeah, that was, I mean, one of the most well preserved hiking trails, beautiful monument. Um, Like, other experiences, like, I mean, I had an amazing new year's Eve this past time.

[00:25:35] Dev Chandra: Like my friend, Krista hosted like a new year's Eve party at the jungle club in Bali, which was, we had our own cave, which was really cool. yeah, it was really awesome New Year's Eve. So stuff like that. Just, I mean, honestly, there's just too many experiences. I think so.

[00:25:53] Ryan Mellon: yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, no,~ uh,~ Machu Picchu sticks out in my mind, and I actually, you said we were there in [00:26:00] May, I think I was there in April. ~Uh, ~I 

[00:26:02] Ryan Mellon: spent three weeks in Cusco, 

[00:26:04] Dev Chandra: Yeah. Cusco is amazing. I spent about two weeks there or maybe a week. Yeah.

[00:26:07] Ryan Mellon: Absolutely, like I would say like there's very few places that I've been where I can describe as like magical and I feel like Peru in general and like Cusco and Machu Picchu definitely fit that description.

[00:26:22] Dev Chandra: Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[00:26:24] Ryan Mellon: so yeah, like just like the, you know, like the The people in the traditional dress walking through the cobblestone streets with llamas and like, you know, the food and the, the drinks were amazing there and just like Everyone's like making cocoa tea, tea out of cocoa leaves and chewing cocoa leaves.

[00:26:48] Ryan Mellon: Like, it's just like such a very wild place, like, ~uh, ~such a very cool spot. And like, I very much enjoy my time in Peru. 

[00:26:56] Dev Chandra: Yeah, it's super cool. 

[00:26:58] Ryan Mellon: ~check out.~

[00:26:58] Dev Chandra: Yeah. Highly recommend the Nomad [00:27:00] cruise is another one. Like if,~ um,~ like I took my favorite one was from Spain to Brazil. We started in Grand like the Grand Canary Islands, and then we went across the Atlantic to,~ uh,~ the northeast part of Brazil, and I was like super memorable. ~Um, ~the Nomad cruise is like a retreat mixed with the conference on a cruise ship and usually like Yeah. Uh, if the shorter ones, like people take vacation and, uh, the longer ones, you know, you typically do have internet and you can work on it, but it's very cool, cool experience. 

[00:27:30] Ryan Mellon: I need to get on one of one, one day

[00:27:35] Dev Chandra: So

[00:27:39] Ryan Mellon: like normal type cruise back in the day and I was not a big fan But if it was full of like entrepreneurs and digital nomads and we're we were going to very cool locations like crossing oceans I think I would definitely be much more into that for sure.

[00:27:54] Dev Chandra: I think it's definitely more remote workers. Like I would say maybe only 10 to [00:28:00] 10, 15 percent of the people are actual entrepreneurs. So. would recommend if you're looking for like a really good entrepreneur community dynamite circle.~ ~

[00:28:08] Ryan Mellon: ~Okay ~

[00:28:08] Dev Chandra: they're like very focused on entrepreneurship.

[00:28:10] Dev Chandra: So that's the one a nomad cruise is more of a fun party. I would not consider it like a serious. Now let's this last cruise. I just did across the Pacific. The business speakers were amazing, but most people are not there for a bit like. Doing like serious business stuff. It's just not a you can't really compare it.

[00:28:30] Dev Chandra: So

[00:28:31] Ryan Mellon: dynamite circle. You said

[00:28:33] Dev Chandra: Yeah

[00:28:34] Ryan Mellon: is that just a cruise or is there more to that?

[00:28:38] Dev Chandra: No, so so the nomad cruise is the cruise dynamite circle is like a community With,~ um,~ every year they do a conference in Bangkok. That's why I was here. ~Um, ~they do a conference in Mexico. They're like they do one in October in Bangkok and then one in like April, May in Mexico. And,~ um,~ it's like the minimum to get in is like 100 [00:29:00] K revenue per year and then like a 25 percent of communities at a million revenue plus.

[00:29:05] Dev Chandra: So it's a very serious. Business community. People are doing really cool stuff. ~Uh, ~there's all sorts of events all throughout the year. Like I'm going to go to one in Australia at the end of March. I'm going to go to London this summer in July for another event. ~Um, ~so, and then I'm going to the Mexico conference coming up.

[00:29:22] Dev Chandra: So there's just, they, they really,~ um,~ really, really cool community. And I've met a lot of amazing people on this journey in Asia,~ um,~ in that community. So,

[00:29:33] Ryan Mellon: Okay, cool. Definitely have to check that out. I wrote that down. Dynamite circle. Awesome. So tell me about like a typical work day for you. Like how do you manage,~ um,~ like work life balance? Do you have a, do you have like a routine that you try to do? Like when you're on the road to, to manage work and business and, and exploration at the same time?

[00:29:53] Dev Chandra: Yeah, so I usually try to work out like,~ um,~ once a day,~ um,~ whether it's going to the gym or like doing [00:30:00] cardio. ~Um, ~so that's, I have like an aura ring that helps me track like sleep and like fitness and stuff like that. And then I meet with an assistant. So I have an assistant I work with. She helps me.

[00:30:11] Dev Chandra: Managed tasks,~ um,~ that are like travel. So I have her doing all my travel. She helps me do the messaging and stuff like that. ~Um, ~and then I also hired someone to help me plan,~ uh,~ my week, like I'm doing this,~ uh,~ program called commit action, which,~ um,~ like once a week you work with a coach, you plan your week out, you time block, and they hold you accountable to commitments,~ um,~ for that week, Phil.

[00:30:35] Ryan Mellon: Okay. And so that's like a business coach.

[00:30:37] Dev Chandra: They're like an accountability coach. So a business coach is a more serious like person that helps you with strategy. I would say we're like an accountability coach is like, all right, what do you want to do this week? And then you're like, Hey, I want to do this. And then they were like, all right, great.

[00:30:52] Dev Chandra: Let's here's how we can plan it. So you basically, you come with the goals. 

[00:30:56] Ryan Mellon: And they help just make it just helping hold you [00:31:00] accountable. So like what happens at the end of the week when you meet with them and you didn't hit your goals for the week? Like, what does that look like? I'm 

[00:31:06] Dev Chandra: Yeah. So right now I just started the program. So if I don't accomplish what I'm going to do, like we're going to experiment and see how we can get everything done. ~Um, ~if it keeps happening, then yeah, my coach is going to call me out on this. So that's the whole point. Yeah. 

[00:31:21] Ryan Mellon: I like it. I like it. And I like that you mentioned the aura ring. I wear one as well. And it's been a huge help. Yeah. Mine's on the charger, but,~ uh,~ it's a huge help for like, just maintaining your health and like it just the latest update with the symptoms tractor, like lets you know, like something's wrong, like beforehand.

[00:31:44] Ryan Mellon: And like I said, I just, I've had a bad bout of just. Being ill back to back here in Bali and like, you can actually see my resilience graph. It goes from strong all the way, like just a dive to the bottom. And it's like [00:32:00] two, three weeks on the bottom, but I'm on my way back up now. 

[00:32:03] Dev Chandra: Okay, that's good. 

[00:32:05] Ryan Mellon: I love to, I love that data that you have.

[00:32:09] Ryan Mellon: And just, and sleep is such an important thing to like 

[00:32:13] Dev Chandra: Huge. Yeah. 

[00:32:14] Ryan Mellon: you're not, you're on an entrepreneur. You're a traveler. Like you need to stay on top of that stuff to be productive, because if we're not getting stuff done and helping clients, like we're not making money, you know? So it's like so important.

[00:32:30] Ryan Mellon: So yeah. Oura Renga has been a huge game changer for me.

[00:32:33] Dev Chandra: I totally agree.

[00:32:35] Ryan Mellon: What would you,~ um,~ say to someone? Let's interested in becoming a digital nomad. Do you have any advice for them if they're, if they're looking to start?

[00:32:44] Dev Chandra: Yeah, I would definitely say have savings. So have a good amount of savings.~ Um, ~there's a difference between being a backpacker and nomad. So if you're backpacking, like, just enjoy the journey and, and obviously live really cheaply. If you're nomading, have savings. It's again, [00:33:00] it comes down to good habits.~ Um, ~probably being more slower. I would recommend maybe one place every month at the, at the, at the most, you know, and then,~ um,~ like, really like having good income, right. So making sure your income is there, whether you run a business, whether you have a remote job, and then just like, obviously like you have to prioritize work. Like when work happens and, um, you know, like that's your only way you keep traveling. So,

[00:33:30] Ryan Mellon: Absolutely. Yeah, it's good advice. ~Um, ~slowing down is huge. The more you move, the more you spend, the more you, the less time you have to focus on your business and your work more stressed out you are,~ um,~ how much savings would you. Suggest having like six months, a year savings before hitting the 

[00:33:49] Dev Chandra: I would say like, like if you're, if you're going to be a nomad, like,~ um,~ like figure out what your monthly burn rate is. So obviously if you're in Asia, a lot lower. ~Um, ~so probably like 2000 a month, if you're [00:34:00] in, Latin America, maybe 3000. If you're like going to Europe at least four or five. Right. And then I would say like having at least six months, if you have a year, like that's really good, but six months, you know,

[00:34:12] Ryan Mellon: Six months from way. Yeah. That's what I suggest to people as well. It's just a little, it's a sleeping pill, right? So, you know, you have at least six months runway and if you are making sure that you have. Income coming in to cover your monthly expenses. In addition to that, before you hit the road, you're going to be just a lot more confident,~ uh,~ out there, you know, so that's, that's really good advice.

[00:34:34] Dev Chandra: no, for sure.

[00:34:36] Ryan Mellon: do you have a biggest lesson learned or biggest mistake that you've made while nomading?

[00:34:41] Dev Chandra: Yeah, I would say,~ um,~ I burned through my savings. So is nothing wrong with like deciding to stop traveling, move back home. For me, I like have a place. ~Uh, ~I got a job again.~ Um, ~one to build some new skills, but two to just like make a lot of [00:35:00] money. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with moving back. Accepting that, Hey, I'm not comfortable with being broke and, and getting back on your feet again, which is for me, like I, I wasn't broke. I just didn't feel comfortable going into Devt or getting into my investments. So I was really like, I had good investments, but I'm like, I don't want to burn. I'm not going to open up the investments to keep traveling.

[00:35:23] Dev Chandra: Right. She's making smart financial decisions. ~Um, ~so.

[00:35:28] Ryan Mellon: It's good advice. So there was a time where at some point where you had needed to use some of your savings to travel and once you got to a certain point you moved back home and got a job and just replenished and then went back, right? ~Yeah, that's a ~

[00:35:45] Dev Chandra: ~And also like Bill, ~

[00:35:45] Dev Chandra: ~I was, ~

[00:35:45] Ryan Mellon: ~credit cards. Don't ~

[00:35:45] Dev Chandra: yeah, and I was also like strengthening my business too. That's also what I was saying. Like, when I went home, I was able to get my revenue in my business in a good place. So I could keep 

[00:35:55] Dev Chandra: traveling, you know. 

[00:35:56] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, ~I like that. Absolutely. Good~ Good advice. So like in general, like [00:36:00] the cost of living where, let's say in Austin versus like where you are now, like. How big of a difference is that? Could you give us some examples of like

[00:36:11] Dev Chandra: So I think, I think it depends, right? So, so when you, when you have a place, you, you would like, so being in Asia, you are saving money. Right? But like, here's a good example. I'm in Bangkok, I'm in Sukhumvit, which is expensive. Right? So I'm paying 40 or 50 a night, which is. Like what I would pay if I rented a place in Austin, right.

[00:36:33] Dev Chandra: For like a year. Right. So it's all relative. I'm in Bali. For sure. I can save a lot of money. I can like,~ um,~ like you have a convenience and stuff, but also like it's if I have a place in Austin, like I'll probably eat out less. I'll probably make my own coffee. Right? And you can do that when you have a home, when you have a home, like, cause it's way cheaper where right now I'm paying 5 for a [00:37:00] coffee in Bangkok, like us.

[00:37:01] Dev Chandra: Right? And so that's not sustainable. It is. I mean, it's fine. If you have enough, if you make enough money, but if, That's the difference in like cost of living. I think what a big thing, cause a lot of nomads are like convenience, like, you know, so now if I, if I got a place in Bangkok permanently, yes, I think I would save a lot of money, but it's different.

[00:37:21] Ryan Mellon: yeah, if you had a digital nomad visa, you're locked in for a year or something,~ um,~ you could definitely can bring your costs down, have a kitchen, have a coffee maker, you know, and 

[00:37:31] Dev Chandra: and even if you live in the U S like if I lived in Austin, I have my, I have a coffee maker. I make my own food at home. I go to Trader Joe's. Like my cost of living isn't going to be that much higher than if I was traveling around Bangkok. Now, if I did a similar lifestyle to what I did in Austin, yeah, it's obviously gonna be way lower, but most people when they're nomadic, yeah.

[00:37:54] Dev Chandra: So it's, it's, you're, you're, you're eating out all the time. Like I have friends who've never [00:38:00] cooked their own food in like five plus years, because they've been nomadic. ~Um,~

[00:38:03] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. It's easy to do, especially here in Southeast Asia. Like, you know, a meal 

[00:38:09] Dev Chandra: Especially Bali. 

[00:38:10] Ryan Mellon: Two or 3,~ uh,~ easy. So if you like, especially if you like the local food, which it's amazing, like you can save so much money for me. Like I have to cook my own breakfast. Like I have to have an American ish 

[00:38:25] Ryan Mellon: style breakfast, but the rest of the day is like, whatever, like eat lunch or dinner out, like I'm totally for it.

[00:38:32] Ryan Mellon: Get grabbed, delivered. It's so cheap. So cool. Well, as we're wrapping up,~ uh,~ just a couple of rapid fire questions. So 

[00:38:40] Dev Chandra: sure. Yeah.~ ~

[00:38:41] Ryan Mellon: ~um,~ what is one of your number one go to apps for working remotely or travel

[00:38:46] Dev Chandra: Oh, definitely Tripit. So Tripit tracks all your flights, all your trains, ferries, whatever you want to get,~ um,~ hotels. So basically what you do is you download the app, You get the [00:39:00] premium version because it tracks flight delays, and then it will for you forward at all your reservations for flights, hotels, and it will tell you like, Hey, check in here.

[00:39:11] Dev Chandra: Hey, this flight like yesterday I flew so it was like this flight was delayed. So really good app for traveling. Yeah, yes, it's just trip and then it. com. Yeah.

[00:39:24] Ryan Mellon: I'll have to check that out. I haven't heard that one.

[00:39:26] Dev Chandra: If you're, if you're, if you're traveling a lot where you have a lot of flights, a lot of reservations and managing, and my assistant is plugged into my app. So she can like, take a look at what's coming and help me stay, stay, stay on top of everything.

[00:39:40] Ryan Mellon: Awesome. Okay. We'll check that out. So tell me, uh,~ uh,~ what is. One of your favorite co working spaces and where's that at?

[00:39:49] Dev Chandra: I would definitely be work in Bali. ~Um, ~it's in Canggu. I live right down the street from it. ~Um, ~it had like three rooms, so it had a sunroom, which you could have calls in, it had like a quiet [00:40:00] room, and then it had an ultra quiet room, and ~uh, ~lots of meeting rooms to take meetings, they had a very generous meeting policy, good, really good cafe, and they let you order grab to it, so you can order outside food to the co work, so it was, and they had a amazing meetup, so definitely everything you want in a co working meeting. I also made friends there. ~Um, ~really good community. So it all in all, like, I don't think I've found a cowork that's that good anywhere.

[00:40:31] Ryan Mellon: Okay, I'll be work I'll have to check that out when when I go to Chengdu. I've been avoiding Chengdu due to the traffic

[00:40:37] Dev Chandra: Where do you live right now?

[00:40:38] Ryan Mellon: I'm in Seminyak,

[00:40:40] Dev Chandra: Oh yeah.

[00:40:40] Dev Chandra: Yeah. Yeah. You're, but

[00:40:43] Dev Chandra: that road between Seminyak and Canggu has terrible traffic.

[00:40:48] Ryan Mellon: it's it's a disaster I actually just read an article in the newspaper and like Indonesian news just the other day about how they're trying to address Just the structural everything [00:41:00] structural and in Bali and the traffic issue. They're actually proposing like. Starting,~ um,~ like taking people by boat from the airport to like chang gu it, like to alleviate the problem.

[00:41:13] Ryan Mellon: I think a train would be like amazing. Like if you had a loop from the airport to like Atu and Sac and up to Chang Gu, and, and, and then over to the East Coast, what make such a huge difference. But,~ uh,~ 

[00:41:26] Dev Chandra: I think it's going to be hard to build that, you know, be really

[00:41:30] Dev Chandra: cool. 

[00:41:31] Ryan Mellon: It would be amazing,~ uh,~ it would definitely eliminate traffic, but yeah, it's, it's a struggle.

[00:41:37] Ryan Mellon: Everything's so condensed here.

[00:41:38] Dev Chandra: I think the boat would be a good idea because it's literally like that's a lot of it because the problem is if you take a bike, no issue, right? It's the issue is like the cars really block the road and then everyone tries to get around the car and then then the jams are happening. Right? And if you ever do want to go to B work, go early in the morning.~ Um, ~and spend the day there [00:42:00] because Barawa that road between Canggu to Barawa is what gets blocked and I never go to Barawa. Or to Seminyak during the day. It's just not worth it.

[00:42:09] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. Yeah. Spend the whole day in the streets.

[00:42:12] Dev Chandra: Yeah.

[00:42:13] Dev Chandra: I've spent two hours, I'm stuck there. Two hours stuck in

[00:42:18] Ryan Mellon: Wow. It's too hot for that, man. 

[00:42:21] Dev Chandra: Yeah. Not worth it. 

[00:42:23] Ryan Mellon: Definitely not. So tell me, what's one item other than your laptop or phone that you do not, or that you can't do? ~Um, ~travel with, that you will not travel without.

[00:42:34] Dev Chandra: Laptop or phone? I mean,

[00:42:36] Ryan Mellon: And I'm just 

[00:42:37] Dev Chandra: I have a second, I have a second screen. So I have an Asus Zen screen, which helps with productivity.~ Um, ~air AirPods are obviously amazing.

[00:42:46] Ryan Mellon: So, second screen, yeah, I see a lot of folks,~ uh,~ traveling with the second screen and depending on your work, like, that can definitely be a big game changer as long as you have room for it.

[00:42:56] Dev Chandra: I will say like the over the shoulder bag, like the, [00:43:00] like the, like the, it's like a fanny pack, but you can wear it over a shoulder, like incredible. Like I put, if I'm traveling through airport, I don't have to worry about taking stuff outta my pockets. I have my passport, like sunglasses, so it's kind of like a purse.

[00:43:13] Dev Chandra: I like, I think it's getting. It's super popular in Asia now, like for guys to have these like bags, cause it's just like sunglasses, bug spray, which is vital in Southeast Asia. ~Um, ~like I have like mouthwash and there's random stuff. if I'm traveling through an airport, like passport, right. ~Um, ~amazing.

[00:43:32] Dev Chandra: So I would say that, that, that bag is easy. And if I'm going out at night. I have a power, like, so I keep a power bank in there. So like, I would take this bag everywhere with me to the, like, to the club, to the, like, when I go to a meetup, because I know I have everything I need. I think I started doing this because I did this as a Burning Man habit.

[00:43:51] Dev Chandra: Because at Burning Man, you have like, you have your survival bag, which you should always have on you. And,~ um,~ and I'm like, oh, this is a great idea. I should just use this in the real [00:44:00] world. So,

[00:44:01] Ryan Mellon: Awesome. So tell us about Burning Man. I've always wanted to do it, but like, what's your experience?

[00:44:07] Dev Chandra: I've had an amazing time. I would, it's this fast. I consider a festival, but you know, they don't like the word they like,~ uh,~ project, but it's really a city that is built every year in Nevada and, um, re like outside of Reno. And basically it's all, everything in the desert is brought there. It's built.

[00:44:28] Dev Chandra: It's some of the best art in the world. incredible music,~ um,~ and just experiences nonstop. Like you can go from like one day, like I was at a Carl Cox 70 set to like having some of the best meditations in my life there.~ Uh, ~so eat like, like random foods in the desert. You can get coffee, you can drink everywhere.

[00:44:50] Dev Chandra: It's pretty cool. It's like a cool city. Amazing musical performances, like piano players, guitar players, DJs. So yeah.

[00:44:59] Ryan Mellon: ~Awesome. ~I've seen many [00:45:00] documentaries on it and I have seen many friends like photos on, on Instagram that have gone, but it's a lottery, right? To get tickets. How's that work?

[00:45:11] Dev Chandra: Yeah. So you, you, you have to, it's like, there's a ticket, there's a couple of ticket windows and you just have to be on the, it's just like, if the tickets come out, you just gotta be there to try to get a ticket. I think it's going to come up in February, the main sale, and you're just on there getting a ticket.

[00:45:27] Dev Chandra: That's literally it. 

[00:45:29] Ryan Mellon: ~Cool.~ 

[00:45:29] Dev Chandra: And then, ~ ~

[00:45:29] Ryan Mellon: on the bucket list for me.

[00:45:31] Dev Chandra: yeah, if then the other option is camps a lot, like last year, a lot of camps had extra tickets. So you basically. Join a camp, which I highly recommend if you're first time going, and then you,~ um,~ can buy a ticket through the camp, and the camp has a certain amount of tickets sent to them, so.

[00:45:48] Dev Chandra: Yeah,

[00:45:50] Ryan Mellon: and I imagine there's other people that it's not their first burn is what they call it. So you kind of have like a little community inside the whole [00:46:00] community of burning man 

[00:46:01] Dev Chandra: recommend, yeah. 

[00:46:02] Ryan Mellon: out.

[00:46:03] Dev Chandra: Basically, like, it's like your family in the desert, so we had an amazing camp called Camp Kashyyyk. We were like 60 people, and Basically, like we're very New York, LA based camp. So,~ um,~ a lot of the people came from New York or LA and it's just like a very,~ um,~ like everyone gets to know, like in your camp, everyone, like if it's small enough, you all get to know each other.

[00:46:24] Dev Chandra: ~Um, ~if something happens, you, you help each other out. It's very cool. We would go on rides together. So the way you get around burning man is on bicycle. And so we would all go on group bike rides, which is a lot of fun. So it's, it's, it makes a huge difference in the experience.

[00:46:39] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, I did not know that, but yeah, burning man's been on my bucket list for a while, so I need to do that and definitely maybe,~ uh,~ join a group. So, cool. Awesome. So, where can people find you online?

[00:46:49] Dev Chandra: Yeah. So you can,~ um,~ I have a,~ uh,~ I have a website called the process hacker. com. If you go to the process hacker. com slash thanks, T H a N [00:47:00] K S. ~Uh, ~I have like some stuff to give away. ~Um, ~and then I'm also on LinkedIn. So you can follow me at Dev Chandra on LinkedIn. And,~ um,~ yeah, I post a lot of valuable tips on AI.~ Uh, ~my experience is like building,~ uh,~ systems and stuff like that. So,

[00:47:16] Ryan Mellon: Well, again, Dev, it's been really great talking with you, and I really appreciate you coming on, and I know the listeners will get a lot of insights from this conversation, and it's been fun, and hopefully,~ uh,~ we'll, uh,~ uh,~ meet up in person one day, and, uh,~ uh,~ hope, hope that you have an amazing weekend.

[00:47:33] Dev Chandra: Are you too? Yeah. Thanks for having me, Ryan.

[00:47:35] Ryan Mellon: Thank you.

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