Why Waiting for the Right Time Is Sabotaging Your Nomad Dreams with Dalia Kemble | EP 36

What if the scariest moments of your journey actually become the stories that define your entire life?

Join Ryan Mellon as he sits down with Dalia Kemble, a digital nomad and coach who turns fear into fuel for authentic living. Her stories prove that the moments when everything seems to go wrong often reveal who we really are.

From surviving a pitch-black motorcycle ride through India’s infamous “Tiger Zone” to being stranded in a tent on a Himalayan mountain top during a thunderstorm, Dalia shares how embracing uncertainty became her greatest superpower and how it can become yours, too.

Chapters:
00:15:04 – No Plan B Mindset
00:22:53 – Slow Travel Realization
00:28:00 – Dating Challenges as a Nomad
00:32:34 – Non-Negotiable Routines
00:35:00 – Coaching and Alignment

Dalia isn't just someone who escaped the corporate grind, she holds a Master’s in Organizational Psychology and now helps others break free from societal “shoulds.” After years caught in the loop of traveling, going broke, and starting over, she made a bold decision that changed her life.

Her approach to slow nomadism, building intentional community, and maintaining emotional alignment offers a refreshing alternative to burnout-inducing travel.
She also tackles one of the biggest fears aspiring nomads face and reveals how to build meaningful connections and sustainable routines when your location keeps changing.

Listen to learn how to take calculated risks, create internal stability, and trust yourself when the path isn’t clear.

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Chapters

• 15:04 No Plan B Mindset
• 22:53 Slow Travel Realization
• 28:00 Dating Challenges as a Nomad
• 32:34 Non-Negotiable Routines
• 35:00 Coaching and Alignment

Transcript

[00:00:00] Ryan Mellon: Have you ever caught yourself thinking, I know I want more freedom, but I have no idea where to start. You're not alone. The hardest part isn't wanting the digital nomad lifestyle. It's figuring out that first step. Today I sit down with Dalia Kemble. She's helped countless people break out of a life of monotony of.

[00:00:17] Ryan Mellon: Finally say yes to the life they've always wanted. Dalia went from feeling trapped in a corporate career that looked good on paper to building a location independent business while living abroad. You'll hear how she landed her first remote job through a Facebook ad and why having a plan B is holding you back more than you think.

[00:00:35] Ryan Mellon: And if you stay until the end, Dalia shares the mindset shift that took her from, I hope this works to, I'm making this happen. If you're stuck at step one, this one's for you.

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[00:00:53] Ryan Mellon: Hey guys. Welcome to Digital Nomad Nation where we inspire and empower you to achieve location independence [00:01:00] and live life on your own terms. Today we have Dahlia Campbell. Welcome Dahlia.

[00:01:05] Dalia Kemble: Thank you.

[00:01:06] Ryan Mellon: So I, 

[00:01:07] Dalia Kemble: to be here.

[00:01:08] Ryan Mellon: yeah, I'm, I'm happy to have you as well. Uh, it's gonna be a great conversation today. And,~ um,~ we were recently talking and you brought up India.

[00:01:16] Ryan Mellon: So tell me about, tell me one of the, ~um. ~Most exciting or terrifying things that you experienced in India? 'cause I've heard a lot of stories about India and I have not made it there yet myself.

[00:01:29] Dalia Kemble: Well, yeah, India is an incredible place and I think one of the most exciting and scariest stories is when I was on a road trip,~ um,~ that was a very spontaneous bike trip,~ um,~ very, very last minute, and we were driving along. I. It start like we started out in the, in the day in the light and there was a beautiful view and everything was amazing and then it started to get dark and I was just like, one of those moments, you know what one of those moments where you're traveling and, and it's like everything seems a good idea at the time.

[00:01:55] Dalia Kemble: Of course I'm gonna do a spontaneous six hour bike trip with someone that I've [00:02:00] just met and we are not gonna plan anything in advance. Like that would be a brilliant idea. So off we went and we are going along and at the beginning everything was beautiful and the beautiful nice and everything was great.

[00:02:09] Dalia Kemble: And then it started to get dark. And as it started to get dark, it also started to get cold. And I was not prepared for anything, like for the cold weather, for the dark, anything else. ~Um, ~and then as we are going along, it was like pitch black. It was freezing cold. At some point it started to rain, and then we get to this sign, it was like driving along in the middle of nowhere, no cars, nothing on the road.

[00:02:30] Dalia Kemble: Um, we get to this sign and I see this sign from a distance, and I was like, yes, there's a sign. There's hope. Like there's, there's good things coming. And the sign said Tiger Zone, beware. And I was like, yeah. I was like,

[00:02:44] Ryan Mellon: so tiger's in the

[00:02:46] Dalia Kemble: holy fuck. Yeah. Tigers in the area. And my automatic re reaction was, oh my God. Holy fuck.

[00:02:53] Dalia Kemble: We're gonna get eaten to buy Tigers tonight. What if a tiger comes out, what are we gonna do right now? There's no one here. And it's crazy how your [00:03:00] mind always goes, automatically goes to the worst case scenario, right? Like it just says, beware. At the end of the day, there's a sign. Nothing could potentially happen, but your mind goes to the worst case scenario.

[00:03:10] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~obviously I did not get eaten by a tiger because here we are today. But that was definitely a scary thing,~ um,~ that really looking back, Brian, I would say, taught me that everything always works out. Sometimes you gotta trust. Like that would probably be one of my biggest lessons of being a digital nomad.

[00:03:26] Dalia Kemble: That there's so much uncertainty with so many things when you're on the road. So many things that could go wrong. And when you kind of surrender and trust and obviously do what you can to keep yourself safe,~ um,~ knowing that everything is gonna work out for the best and as it's meant to.

[00:03:41] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about it. Like how were you feeling, um, what were, what was the end of that story as far as like, you, you're in the tiger zone, it's dark, it's beginning to rain, like were you able to navigate out of that? How was it?

[00:03:55] Dalia Kemble: Yeah, I mean, lucky the, the person that I was with, the guy that I was with was super calm. [00:04:00] Which made a big, big difference because I was definitely not calm and I freaked out. And in terms of how I was feeling, like I remember literally my heart, like literally beaten. I felt like it was gonna come out my body and like, like what are we gonna do right now?

[00:04:12] Dalia Kemble: And literally jump into all of the worst, worst things. And then the road, the road just ended up turning into like a dirt road. And we were like driving on this road and it wasn't even a road. It was like this scary situation. None of us knew where we were going. And all I was dreaming about was this shower at the end.

[00:04:27] Dalia Kemble: I was like. Freaking out. Like we were getting wet. It was cold and you know, when you just like wanna have a hot shower and just like be in that, be in that place. And eventually we ended up arriving to this hostel and I was like dreaming of the shower. And we got there and they were like, there's no hot water.

[00:04:43] Ryan Mellon: Oh no.

[00:04:44] Dalia Kemble: And I'm like, no, damn. I was like, I'm making it like talk about getting solution oriented. I'm like, I'm making this shower happen. And I said to them, do you have a kettle? Do you have a bucket? And I remember they had a kettle and I remember like literally heating up like a few rounds of water in the [00:05:00] kettle, pouring it into this bucket, and literally having a bucket shower, which is like a common thing that that happens in India.

[00:05:05] Dalia Kemble: And until today, I literally tell everyone that was the best shower of my life. Like that is a shower. I remember.

[00:05:11] Ryan Mellon: Oh yeah. When you're like,~ uh,~ in a cold situation or having super long travels or a big adventure and like you're just waiting for that, that hot shower and then you don't get it. It's so, it's, it's just like, so, uh. You know, disappointing because I remember I was on a four day motorcycle tour through the va, the mountains of Vietnam, the Jiang loop, and um, it was freezing cold up in the mountains and we all went Southeast Asia with shorts, t-shirts, and like no warm weather gear.

[00:05:42] Ryan Mellon: And I was just like waiting to get to the hostel to get that warm shower and they did not have hot water and I had to take a cold shower and I was so like, just. I was not in a good place, let's just say that. Luckily I had a lot of good friends around [00:06:00] me on that tour and, uh, we had a couple of beers to, to resolve the situation, but, uh, that's all we could do.

[00:06:09] Ryan Mellon: And, and you know, not everything's in your control. And, um, yeah, a hot shower is worth a lot sometimes. 

[00:06:19] Dalia Kemble: Sometimes it is the small things and like until today, I think gratitude is a big thing that I always take everywhere in life because I think even when you're going through a challenging time in life, when you are. We are not always in con, we are not in control of so many things, but you are always in control of what you focus on.

[00:06:34] Dalia Kemble: And I'm not saying that's easy, but when you choose to focus on gratitude and the small things and the simple things and what you do have, everything really shifts from that place. So it's definitely like a big tour that,~ um,~ traveling and just life has really grounded me in as well.

[00:06:47] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, I think it's super important, and I've heard someone say, I think it may be like Tony Robbins that says, um, when you bring in gratitude, you can't have gratitude and fear. I. [00:07:00] Exist at the same time. ~Um, ~uh, I think that's a quote. I might be wrong about it. It's something like that. So I think gratitude is super important and,~ um,~ you can't have more of anything without gratitude for what you have now.

[00:07:13] Ryan Mellon: So I think it's really important and I like that you bring that up. ~Um. ~So do you do like journaling or grad gratitude type things on a daily basis? Do you have any,~ um,~ like routines that you incorporate gratitude in?

[00:07:27] Dalia Kemble: I do, I do gr, I do regular gratitude, to be honest. Like sometimes in the morning, just even waking up and I don't always write it down, but sometimes I literally just wake up. I try and again, like it's, it's. Something I say about everything, whether it's gratitude journal and meditation, like there's so many different tools, is that you gotta do what's aligned for you in the moment.

[00:07:44] Dalia Kemble: Not everything is what, right? And you don't have to do everything. But it's, it's almost like going to the gym. Like as soon as you stop doing it, you're not gonna carry on building that muscle. So it's like something you need to continue doing. And even if you're not doing it every day, and like one day you stop doing it, you can still go back to it the next day.

[00:07:59] Dalia Kemble: So I, I [00:08:00] know I'm like very aware of how powerful that tool is. So I definitely do go back to gratitude and even if it's like when I'm waking up first thing like what are three things I'm grateful for today? Sometimes it's writing it down, sometimes it's saying out loud, sometimes it's just being,~ um,~ and I honestly, I used to meditate a lot more and I love that we're having this conversation because I'm kind of talking to myself to go back to it because I know how powerful it is and I have not prioritized it for a long time.

[00:08:24] Ryan Mellon: It is super powerful and I saw on your Instagram that you've done Vipasana silent retreat. So what did you do? 10 days? I.

[00:08:31] Dalia Kemble: I did. It was very powerful and life changing and just so grounded. So, so grounded.

[00:08:37] Ryan Mellon: What did you take away from it? 

[00:08:39] Dalia Kemble: Hmm. Wow. So many things. ~Um, ~the power of silence, like there honestly so many things. I think there's a lot of awkwardness sometimes around silence. I mean, I used to often feel that way of like. Needing to fill the space and needing to fill the conversation. And I think there's a lot of power in silence.

[00:08:56] Dalia Kemble: And when you some, the biggest thing that I took is that when you [00:09:00] disconnect from what I call the outside noise, which is everyone else's voices and opinions and all of those things, and you have that space and the quieter connect within everything is so clear. Everything is so focused, the answers is just like.

[00:09:13] Dalia Kemble: Of course it makes sense. Like the next, the next step, the next sign of clarity comes from that silence comes from that inner peace. ~Um, ~and it was crazy 'cause I remember coming out of there and, and it was, don't get me wrong, it was challenging me. And in there, like there's, there I was dreaming at the time of literally giving my phone away and just being disconnected from my phone for like 10 days.

[00:09:31] Dalia Kemble: The first three nights, I literally was dreaming about my phone, like subconsciously that I was holding it, that I was going on Instagram, all of these things. And it just made me realize how addicted we are to, to those devices and to being connected all the time. And it's crazy 'cause I remember coming out of it after those 10 days and it did not matter what was going on around.

[00:09:49] Dalia Kemble: How challenge in life was, how much chaos was going on. I just had this sense of calm of nothing can bother me right now. I had like this, almost like this window like covering me of like, yes, [00:10:00] I'm like kind of protected, like I have this protected space inside. ~Um, ~and honestly it's so powerful. It's just, I, I definitely would do it again and I would definitely recommend it.

[00:10:09] Dalia Kemble: Um. At the same time, I always say if you don't have 10 days to take off life and meditate, 'cause not everyone obviously has that. Even starting with five minutes makes a big difference and being consistent with that, you definitely will notice a difference over time. Then it's better to start with something than wait for the perfect, you know, 10 days off and doing it that way.

[00:10:25] Ryan Mellon: Absolutely. Yeah. I did 10 days in, uh, Northern California in Napa Valley,~ uh,~ VPAA retreat and uh, I totally get what you're saying. And like after coming out of there, I just remember like looking at my phone once I finally got it back after 10 days off of it, and I was like, I. Man, I don't even wanna look at this.

[00:10:44] Ryan Mellon: It's so foreign. The colors, everything about it was just weird. And like, you know, my friends came and picked me up. I was a one-on-one year US road trip at that time. And, uh, like, just like having conversation and [00:11:00] speaking with them. Like, there were, were several times where I just hesitated before even talking because I just, you know, you go through those 10 days of.

[00:11:08] Ryan Mellon: Just absolutely no talking. No, no reading, no writing, no, not, you know, just, just meditation. And it is very powerful and I think it's a great experience for, uh, for anybody who can make it happen. So,

[00:11:21] Dalia Kemble: I think, I think,

[00:11:23] Ryan Mellon: oh, go ahead. Sorry.

[00:11:24] Dalia Kemble: ~uh, ~no, no, I think it's, I think it's a powerful reminder as well of the power of being in the present moment because how often are we focused on so much in the future and so much around what's gonna be and what we're gonna be doing next, and we actually forget to be in the moment and be present. And I think when you are connected to that silence and connected to yourself, it does help you to reconnect to what's going on right now and actually enjoy the moment versus missing it and just planning for the next thing and, and working towards that as well.

[00:11:50] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, absolutely. I think it bleeds over into your life too, after that experience, just,~ um,~ taking, taking time to, to block out the noise and, and [00:12:00] use, uh, maybe a five or 10 minute, uh, meditation as a reset. You know, it's, it's very grounding and, um. It, it's a very good experience. So you told us about a little bit of a terrifying situation in, in, in India.

[00:12:15] Ryan Mellon: Uh, do you have a, a great story about one of your most,~ uh,~ exciting or adventurous uh,~ uh ~times in India?

[00:12:24] Dalia Kemble: Hmm. In India? Um, well, there was many, I think honestly, just being in the Himalayas, it wasn't even necessarily an exciting, adventurous, it was like literally being in the beauty of nature and like in the most beautiful place on the planet. Literally like waking up, seeing the snow on the mountains. Um, I did a couple of trucks there as well, so like climbing up the mountains and literally just at 1, 0, 1 night, actually, this is adventurous.

[00:12:48] Dalia Kemble: I actually forgot about this. Um, but one night we climbed up, we climbed up this mountain like during the day and we ended up sleeping there all night, like on the tents at night. And then in the middle of the night, like after we got up there, it started to storm and like [00:13:00] proper rain. And we were on the top of this mountain, like on this cliff.

[00:13:03] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~and we just started laughing. It was like, I literally, I went up by myself. I met a girl as I was walking up there and then we were like, let's just. Stay here and then wake up, see Sunrise. We, as we got up there, we saw people were staying there, so we were like, let's just rent a tent and do the same thing.

[00:13:17] Dalia Kemble: Um, and then wake up and, you know, see the sunrise and it would be beautiful. ~Um, ~and I just remember being in this tent and just laughing because I was like, oh my God. Like this is something that. We are gonna take forever and like, you can't even make this thing, make this up. But it just like, it makes such a good story in part of the books.

[00:13:33] Dalia Kemble: And I, I remember just being in the moment, I wasn't even scared, which like for me shifted everything because if you tell someone on paper of like, you're gonna climb off a mountain and there's gonna be a storm and it's gonna. There's no way down and it's gonna rain and you're literally like stranded on the top of a mountain and people would be like, oh my god, worst nightmare.

[00:13:48] Dalia Kemble: Um, and I think just like managing to find the excitement and the adventure in that,~ um,~ and honestly feel feeling in life. I think that's like a big thing that traveling taught me a lot of, like even jump, like I'd done a [00:14:00] couple of skydives and a couple of bungee jumps. They're like jumping out. And in those moments it's like you have so much fear of like.

[00:14:07] Dalia Kemble: Oh my God, like this is so scary and so exciting at the same time. And then having those moments where you actually jump and do that thing and leap, like take that leap of faith, it just makes you feel so alive. It's like, wow, I'm not just living and living day to day, like I feel like so fricking alive right now.

[00:14:22] Ryan Mellon: Absolutely. Yeah, those experiences are great. I've also done a few jumps out of planes and, uh, yeah, I think it just teaches you that like,~ um,~ there's life on the other side of fear and you, you really overcome some fears very quickly when you, ~um. ~Jump out of a plane from 15,000 feet and you make it and you're alive and everything's good.

[00:14:42] Ryan Mellon: And it was an amazing experience. I think the first time I jumped it was absolutely terrifying. The second that was in Australia, uh, on, in Byron Bay coming down across the, like right over the beach, it was absolutely amazing. But like, I didn't see too much of it 'cause I was just [00:15:00] like,~ um, um, ~I was just.

[00:15:01] Ryan Mellon: Like focusing on staying alive. And then my second jump, I knew I wasn't gonna die, and I actually did that here in Virginia in my home state,~ um,~ with some friends. And it was way better because I knew what to expect. I knew that I wasn't gonna die. I knew how it was gonna be and I was able to like experience it and see the views and really just like, it was way, a much better experience the second time than the first time.

[00:15:29] Ryan Mellon: So. Yeah.

[00:15:30] Dalia Kemble: I love that. I love that. That's always great. I think sometimes it's really easy to focus on, like we've gotta go to the other side of the world to actually do adventurous things and sometimes we forget there's actually such cool things, like literally super close to us and we can, you know, make the most and enjoy that as well.

[00:15:44] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, absolutely. Get you outta your comfort zone. Opportunities arise that maybe wouldn't happen at home, right? I. So take me back to, take me back to the moment or time or place that you knew that digital Nomad [00:16:00] life was for you. Did you transition into digital nomad life? Were you working like a corporate job for you?

[00:16:06] Ryan Mellon: Kind of what's your story?

[00:16:07] Dalia Kemble: I was working a corporate job for a while. ~Um, ~I was studying, I finished my ba, I studied for five years straight. I'd done a bachelor's in psychology, and then I went straight onto a Master's in organizational behavior and development. And during that time, on and off I was working in a bar in the evenings and in an office like Job in the day.

[00:16:24] Dalia Kemble: Um, so I was definitely like juggling a lot and for during that time. The whole of my travels, I, sorry, the whole of my stutters. Anytime there was a break, like a couple of month, a month break here and there, I would always buy a, buy a ticket and travel. That was like my thing. That kept me going throughout the year to work, throughout the year to study.

[00:16:41] Dalia Kemble: Anytime there's a break, travel and just like literally enjoy life. And I remember getting to the point of being in the loop at some point of traveling. So having the best time spending all my money coming back broke, going to my parents. And after about four or five times of doing that, and the last time I'd done [00:17:00] that, it was before COVID, I was like, I'm done.

[00:17:02] Dalia Kemble: I could not be in the loop of having the best time traveling. And at that time I obviously wasn't a nomad, I was literally just traveling and enjoying life. And I was like, I'm done. I need to find a way to. To work online and to travel. And I didn't even know it was a thing. 'cause I think a lot of people don't even know.

[00:17:16] Dalia Kemble: Digital nomad is a thing and it exists. And I love by the way that you have these podcasts because if it wasn't for other people sharing their journeys and sharing what's possible, I wouldn't even be a nomad and I wouldn't be here today as well. ~Um, ~so one of my trips was in New Zealand and I clearly remember being on a bus, like being on a hop off, hop on bus.

[00:17:33] Dalia Kemble: And as you do when you're traveling, you just like get talking to people. And I remember this couple on the bus and I said to them. Like, Hey, where are you from? How long have you been traveling for? And they said to me, oh, we've been on the road for the last four years. And I just looked at them and I was like, huh, how does that happen?

[00:17:50] Dalia Kemble: Tell me more. And then from there, like this whole spiral of like this, this, I started meeting a digital nine here, a digital nine there, getting curious about what different people were doing. [00:18:00] Um, and that was, I think like the first part that like the, that opened things up for me. I was like, I need to find a way that I can work online and travel and still do this,~ um,~ and, and make that work.

[00:18:09] Dalia Kemble: And the truth is, I. I bought a one way ticket talking about, to like leap of fa, leap of faith. It doesn't always have to be jump jumping out a pa a plane. Sometimes it can be taken a leap like in your own life as well, because I bought a one-way ticket to Thailand in COVID before I even had a job and income on anything to show for it.

[00:18:27] Dalia Kemble: And I remember at the time everyone thought I was still crazy, but I said, I'm a digital nomad. I was like, I embodied being a digital nomad before I even had the proof that it was gonna work. But I think sometimes when you make that decision. There's so much power behind that. And I remember just buying the one way ticket and everyone said to me at the time, what is your plan B if it doesn't work out?

[00:18:46] Dalia Kemble: And I was like, there is no plan B. It's going to work because I'm going to make it work. And literally five days after I bought that one way ticket, I saw an ad on Facebook,~ um,~ for a company who were looking for coaches. And that was what I was kind of doing at the time or wanted to get more into. And they were looking [00:19:00] for coaches to work with them in a company, like on a team level.

[00:19:03] Dalia Kemble: And they were, they were like given the clients and I was coaching and I was like, oh my God, like this seems like an amazing opportunity. So I applied for it. It took like a month or so,~ um,~ to go through interviews in that, in that stage. But I got in and I'm still working with that company state whilst building,~ um,~ building my own clientele on the side as well.

[00:19:18] Dalia Kemble: But the point is sometimes like. You've just gotta take that leap and if, and make that decision, and not wait for the perfect moment till everything is great for the perfect time, because the perfect time's never gonna come. Sometimes it's really about making that decision and just going with it.

[00:19:32] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. And I think they say that all about like, all of life changes, like getting married, having kids, like moving here or making that career jump. Like di Digital, becoming a digital nomad is the same thing. Like there's no perfect time for any of it. You just, it's like it's, it's like you just gotta make it happen, right?

[00:19:51] Ryan Mellon: If that's what you really want and you figure it out along the way. So I love that story. ~Um, ~and I think that, ~um. ~It's, it's a really good,~ um,~ you highlighting the [00:20:00] fact that you're just gonna get out there and you're gonna make it happen. And there is no plan BI don't always suggest that for everybody, but you know, it worked out great for you.

[00:20:08] Ryan Mellon: And so tell us, was it. Was it fairly easy getting that job as a coach, working for the company,~ um,~ through Facebook? Like what, what type of coaching did they, were you doing for them and like, what did it look like with your hours and traveling and stuff like that? I.

[00:20:26] Dalia Kemble: So, yeah, I mean, it was, it took time to get there and I didn't even know, obviously, if it was gonna work out or not. ~Um, ~and that goes back to the, I think the, the power of trust and, and surrendering. Whilst taking action. 'cause I think a lot of people confuse like manifestation and trust to like just sitting back and it's all gonna land in my lap and everything's gonna work out.

[00:20:44] Dalia Kemble: And it's like, no, take the action, do what you can and then step back and trust that everything is going to work out and lead to where you need to get to. ~Um, ~so it took a while to get into there. There was like a, an interview process of like, I think it was like three rounds of interviews and then I was obviously waiting to hear back from them.

[00:20:58] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~so it was like, it took I [00:21:00] think a space of a month to,~ um,~ to, to get there. I think in terms of being a digital nomad, the, the, the challenges are sometimes, especially when you have flexibility, like, yeah, I know it sounds crazy, like the time having flexible time can sometimes be a challenge in the sense of, I.

[00:21:18] Dalia Kemble: When you need to plan your own schedule and you need to decide when you're gonna see clients, when you're gonna do days of project work, when you don't have that typical nine to five structure, sometimes it's like you end up working way more than you actually need to. 'cause you kind of drag out the time.

[00:21:32] Dalia Kemble: Or sometimes it's like it takes time to get into the rhythm of knowing when you work best, um, what works best for you. Like if you are someone who is a morning person and you wanna have time for you in the morning. But you're taking calls with clients and you're literally going back to that. It's like you're, you are putting yourself in as a digital nomad in the same position that you potentially left from being the nine to five and the thing that you hated.

[00:21:52] Dalia Kemble: So I think you gotta get clear on like what works for you. ~Um, ~I know for me, for example, like I have, I'm, I wake up and I'm like a morning person. [00:22:00] I have energy in the morning. So for me, as the day goes along, my energy kind of starts to dip. So if I'm. Taking a call with a client, I'm not gonna make a call at like midnight if it works out for their time zone, because I'm not gonna function on that call.

[00:22:12] Dalia Kemble: I could do, but I'm not going to. Um, so I think you've gotta get clear on like what works for you. And I think it's important as well. Like there's so many things. That I didn't know before being a digital nomad. Like honestly, I looked at the pictures and the Instagram and the highlights and I was like, oh my God, it looks so amazing to work on a beach.

[00:22:28] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~and to have your laptop on the beach. And honestly, I love working on the view to the beach, but working on the beach is a fricking nightmare because you, the sun is on your laptop, you can't concentrate, you just wanna be on the beach and actually having fun and it, it doesn't look as as fun as it actually is.

[00:22:43] Dalia Kemble: Um,~ um, ~but yeah, going back to. Going back to the question, which I now completely lost my train of thought.

[00:22:49] Ryan Mellon: you're good. All good information. ~Um, ~but no, I agree with you a hundred percent. Like, uh, I've definitely tried to work on the beach multiple times and like. There's no way your screen's not [00:23:00] bright enough. You can barely see it. You got sand getting on everything and like it's super distracting, especially if you need to make calls.

[00:23:08] Ryan Mellon: So yeah, like having that view of the ocean somewhere indoors, quiet, a ca, a cafe or a restaurant, a hotel or lobby or, um. Even, uh, coworking is like way better for just being,~ um,~ in a great zone for working, but with that view without, um, all the negatives of actually working on the beach. So what is something that you wish you knew before you started,~ uh,~ the digital nomad life?

[00:23:37] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~well, two things are coming to mind. Number one, the importance of community and having people to work with and to go out with and to meet with, because otherwise I. It's very different to traveling. Like you've gotta work, you've gotta, like I always say being a digital nomad, it's like some people would think that you are always on holiday.

[00:23:57] Dalia Kemble: And I'm like, it's just life. It's just a [00:24:00] different way of life. And together with that, if you don't have the right people around you, it can definitely get very lonely. It cannot seem as amazing as it is. And definitely having a community and like-minded people around who are working towards similar things, who you can work with, go out with, have fun with, connect with,~ um,~ makes a big, big difference.

[00:24:17] Dalia Kemble: And the second thing that I wish I knew before is that being a digital nomad doesn't mean you need to move around every single week to a new location and to a new place. And I don't know why I thought this at the beginning, but I used to move around a lot and I used to think like I need, if I'm a digital nomad, I need to have my backpack on and move from this country to that country, to this city, to that city and always move around.

[00:24:40] Dalia Kemble: And as a reason as that, look on the outside, it gets tiring. There's so many logistics to actually think about and it's really hard to work and to build a business when you're moving around the whole time as well. So I think it's interesting because if you would've told me back in the day of like, I can, I. Like even now, like I can, technically, I can work [00:25:00] from anywhere. I'm, I'm a digital nomad, but I choose to, I've, I've been in Thailand, I've been based in Thailand for the last year and a bit, and I choose to stay there. And don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can just buy a ticket and go anywhere and work from everywhere, but just because you can doesn't mean you have to.

[00:25:16] Dalia Kemble: I think that is one of the biggest lessons that I learned because like, it's so funny, like I remember being on the road and just being with my backpack and traveling around and moving from this place to that place and figuring out accommodation and transport and all of these things. And I just got to the place and I, I never thought I would get there, which is so interesting.

[00:25:32] Dalia Kemble: But I just got to the place of like being with my backpack and being like. I wish I do. I, I wa I just wanna be in a place where I feel like I have stability where I'm not living out of my suitcase, where I can literally wake up in the morning, have a little kitchen and make an omelet for breakfast. And like it was the small things like that that you just don't have when you're traveling, moving around as much.

[00:25:49] Dalia Kemble: So I think having stability and having a base as a digital nomad is something powerful. And obviously everyone is different. You've gotta find out what works for you. But I think, I think, I wish I knew that just [00:26:00] because you are a digital nomad doesn't mean you have to move around all the time. And you can be a digital nomad.

[00:26:05] Dalia Kemble: Almost a slow, mad and stay in one place for however long you choose to and still have the stability, the freedom to travel around from there. Like I love being able to travel around now and have the base that I have. So it's kind of like it's, it feels like home, but I still can travel around. But it doesn't mean you have to travel and be on the road all the time, um, just because you can.

[00:26:24] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, I think you bring up a great point and a lot of, most of the veteran digital nomads who've been doing this for a while, um, we all start out in this frantic like. Just checking off countries and flying all over the place. Like I know my very first trip internationally was like eight countries in six months and like, there's no way I would do that anymore.

[00:26:47] Ryan Mellon: You know, like it's just way too much. And like I just spent six months in Bali and just one place. Uh, and I never really thought I'd get to that point, but I absolutely fell in love with Bali and [00:27:00] so.~ Um, ~just slowing down, having more of a base. It just is more stability and you can still travel and, and, and if you're in a place like Bali or Thailand and Southeast Asia, you're only a hundred dollars, a a hundred dollars.

[00:27:12] Ryan Mellon: Ticket away from another country for the weekend or a week or two weeks. So that's always great. ~Um, ~and then you mentioned community. So tell me a little bit about community. How are you connecting with community? How are you building that? How are you integrating that into your life as a nomad?

[00:27:29] Dalia Kemble: Yeah. So, ~um, ~it's a great question and I would say, just going back to your point before of like when you are moving around a lot, it's really hard to make connections and to have that sense of community, which is so important as a nomad as well. ~Um, ~so I would like, I would say if anyone is aspiring to be a nomad, you, I would.

[00:27:46] Dalia Kemble: I would recommend to pick a place that it's digital nomad friendly, and it has community vibes around it. Bali I know is definitely one place, like where I am in Thailand is definitely another place as well in Ang go. Um, and there's, there's [00:28:00] so many different op, it's so easy to meet people. Like there's different WhatsApp groups.

[00:28:03] Dalia Kemble: There's different, there's like a WhatsApp group with all the events that go on every single day. So you could go to different workshops or different events and meet people there. And there's actually a coworking, like there's a coworking event. I go to every single week, and we work there together. So every time there's new people that are joining and then you get to meet people there.

[00:28:19] Dalia Kemble: There's different Facebook groups, I think Facebook groups, by the way, is so underrated. Like when I was traveling, when I first started my digital nomad journey, I would connect to Facebook groups in that place and post in those groups. To see if anyone wanted to meet up. And sometimes you've gotta, like, you've gotta be open to, you might meet people that you're not gonna connect with and, and not vibe with, and that's okay.

[00:28:38] Dalia Kemble: But I literally met through that group, through that Facebook group, really good friends who until today, like we're in really good contact with and they live in the same place. So I think there's a lot of power in connecting even virtually, and then meeting people in person when you are in the same place at the same time as well.

[00:28:52] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, no, I agree. I think the, the, you know, uh, digital nomads and enter your [00:29:00] country or city in Facebook is huge. 'cause there's already,~ um,~ a group for all of 'em, right? And then you can see where, where are the nomads meeting up, who's posting what, what's going on. And it's, it's super easy to tap into, like instantly.

[00:29:14] Ryan Mellon: And I think that's a good point. ~Um, ~do you tend to travel solo?

[00:29:18] Dalia Kemble: I always travel solo. Usually I tend to, and at the same time, I think, I think there's a big misconception between when you travel solo, you're alone. And I always say I've never, I never, anytime I've traveled solo and I've done like multiple solo travel trips, like even to places like India where everyone's like, you can't travel there and it's not safe, and all of these things.

[00:29:39] Dalia Kemble: I've done multiple trips and every single time I'm alone if I choose to be alone. And usually I just end up meeting people along the way. And I think when you are traveling solo. There's definitely the fear at the beginning. I still remember the first time I traveled ever to my first travel trip, solo trip was to Thailand.

[00:29:54] Dalia Kemble: And I remember just sitting on the plane and the plane started taking off and I was like, what the fuck am I doing? [00:30:00] Holy moly. Like, what am I thinking? Um, and from there I got the travel bug obviously, and everything was amazing. And I'm living on a place where I caught the travel bug like 10 years ago today.

[00:30:08] Dalia Kemble: Um, but yeah, I think it's, um, I think, oh my God, I literally forgot what I was gonna say. 

[00:30:15] Dalia Kemble: We're gonna cut this part out.

[00:30:17] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, it's okay. We'll edit it. Uh, that you ended at a good point. ~Um, ~so, uh, so a lot of digital nomads at travel solo, sometimes they tell me that,~ um,~ it can be difficult dating as a digital nomad. Do you have any experience,~ um,~ as far as maybe some challenges with that? Just curious what, what your experience has been.

[00:30:40] Dalia Kemble: I think it's challenging when people are coming in and out all of the time. Like if, if someone isn't a nomad and if you, it depends where you, I think it depends where you are in life at the end of the day. Because if you are in a certain place and you meet someone and they're just coming in and traveling on vacation for a few days.

[00:30:59] Dalia Kemble: And then you hit it off, [00:31:00] but you're in different places. It's like, are you going to do the whole long distancing now? And I've been there and I realized, no, like I'm, I'm past that stage in life where I wanna do long distance. I think if you are in the same place with someone at the same time, I. I think that goes for any, for anywhere in life, to be honest, whether you're a nomad or not.

[00:31:16] Dalia Kemble: Like if you are physically as well in the same place at the same time as a nomad, but also mentally and emotionally in the same place and you want the same things, I think then it's easier for things to work. Um, I think one of the challenges definitely is, is that a lot of people come in and out and do move around a lot, so then you gotta evaluate, like if you do wanna stay somewhere for a long period of time, like you want to obviously meet someone who's in the same place and wants the same things as well.

[00:31:40] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, you need to be aligned and ideally finding another digital nomad that has the freedom that you have and that you guys can choose to travel together and, and. Do and do,~ um,~ and make that lifestyle,~ uh,~ together. So, yeah. Uh, it's good to hear how,~ um,~ different people approach it and how they feel [00:32:00] about it.

[00:32:00] Ryan Mellon: Um, I've be, I've definitely got into the long term, ~um. ~Overseas relationships as well, and it happens. Um, but,~ um,~ it's also a great place to meet other like-minded people that are also digital nomads that have the same ability as you to, um, travel with you. So, ~um, ~it can be good and I think it's, it's,~ uh,~ a, a positive thing.

[00:32:23] Ryan Mellon: ~Um, ~and, but there are some challenges to it. So, how do you choose your dec,~ uh,~ your next destination, and what factors influence your decision?

[00:32:32] Dalia Kemble: There's a few different things that are coming to mind. ~Um, ~and I think this is actually important to know as a digital nomad. For me, I definitely love like island life, beach sunset, that kind of thing. So for me, being in a big city, don't get me wrong, I love that for a few days here and there. But it will be hard for me to live in a big city for like a long period of time.

[00:32:50] Dalia Kemble: 'cause it's not something that necessarily vibes or aligns with who I am. ~Um, ~so I think knowing what's important to you and the kind of things that you want, like for me [00:33:00] it's about the physical place. Like yeah, the beaches and that stuff. I could be someone without a beach as long as there's nature around, but it's also the people.

[00:33:06] Dalia Kemble: I think the people at the end of the day make wherever you are, like the actual experience. So. Anytime I would look to transition somewhere else, like at the moment, I'm happy being in one place, like I said, but anytime I would look for the next destination, I would always look for a place where probably other digital nomads have recommended, because then, you know, it's gonna be easy to work.

[00:33:25] Dalia Kemble: But like definitely wifi, having good wifi is definitely,~ um,~ one of the important things that obviously as a nomad is like critical and that you actually need.~ Um, ~but I would look for somewhere that has community and has things going on where it's easy to meet people and there's like-minded people around because otherwise you can be in the most beautiful place on the planet, whether it's like an amazing city and there's a lot to do, or.

[00:33:46] Dalia Kemble: A beautiful beach and you can enjoy it for a few days, but if you're gonna be there for a long period of time and there's not a community, it's gonna make it very lonely and a different experience to then having a lot of things to do. Um, which can be a challenge in itself, having too much [00:34:00] to do. 'cause you've gotta also have the discipline of like, this is my work time now.

[00:34:03] Dalia Kemble: This is my time to kind of go out with people and connect as well. And that definitely comes along the journey, but I would definitely pick the next place according to. What's actually going on in the place, like what there is to do there, the type of people there are, and also the cost of living at the end of the day,~ um,~ makes a big difference.

[00:34:18] Dalia Kemble: Like if you are in, I know if you are somewhere in Asia, if you're in Thailand versus being somewhere where the cost of living is a lot more, it's gonna make a big difference to your experience and what you can and can't do as well.

[00:34:28] Ryan Mellon: Yeah, definitely, uh, definitely, um, making money and. Places that have a higher cost of living and living in places that have lower cost of living, like Southeast Asia is really a game changer. And you don't need as much money as you think to be, uh, a digital nomad. I think that's one misconception a lot of people have is that, you know, we're all rich and we make tons of money and it's, that's why we get to travel all over the place.

[00:34:54] Ryan Mellon: But I think for most,~ uh,~ nomads that I know. Are pretty hard working [00:35:00] entrepreneurs or freelancers, and we just, you know, we're good with we're, we're pretty frugal with our money and we, we use it wisely and then we stay in places that where we get a lot of value for our money, and I think that's important.

[00:35:14] Ryan Mellon: ~Um, ~so how do you balance, like work in exploration, like while you're somewhere, do you have like a routine that you try to, to keep yourself to,~ um,~ so that you can manage your work?

[00:35:25] Dalia Kemble: I definitely do have a routine, and I think it's a really important part of, of having stability in a sense, to have those routines as well. ~Um, ~so again, for me, like I like my morning routine and I need, like, I usually start the day of like. Usually working out like I do mohai when I'm in Thailand, so that kind of thing.

[00:35:42] Dalia Kemble: Or yoga or whatever it is. Or sometimes just walking on the beach and then I have like, then I'll have a few hours of work and I'll, I'll shift around work according to the day. Like I have set days and this is something that came with, I would say, the gift of time of. At the beginning. Now, I would like work and do everything like c like mix and match [00:36:00] it around and see, like take, I think it takes trial and error to see what actually works.

[00:36:04] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~so now I have like set days where I do calls with clients and then other days where I do like more product stuff and I try to not have like I. Calls every day because when I don't have calls, it also gives me flex. I like when I have calls, I like being at home and just having like the quiet and the peace and doing it there.

[00:36:18] Dalia Kemble: But I also like working outside. So on the days where I'm working out of like I can work from beach cafes or whatever it is, um, and it just gives me more flexibility to move things around in the day as well. And. I stop the day, like whatever's going on. I don't make calls when it's sunset time, nearly every day.

[00:36:34] Dalia Kemble: I go and see sunset and just walk, even if it's for like 20, 30 minutes just to walk along the beach and see the sunset. Um, and some evenings I take calls and I'm doing work and other evenings I make free. So I kind of move it around and it's very dynamic. I'm very flexible. I try to stay in routines of like waking up at a certain time, going to sleep at a certain time and doing those basic things.

[00:36:54] Dalia Kemble: But I definitely think there's a lot of flexibility to move things around, which I personally love because then if there's [00:37:00] something going on on a night that I usually have calls and I know that in advance I can move things around and have that flexibility to like move things from one day to the next.

[00:37:07] Dalia Kemble: So, but I do think routines and routines are really important just to kind of like stay grounded and to have that discipline. And I think. Surrounding yourself and working with other digital nomads is really powerful as well. ~Um, ~'cause it does just keep you kind of focused in, in the zone of working and not going to the beach every single day as well. 

[00:37:26] Ryan Mellon: Yeah. No, it can be hard, especially when you're somewhere so beautiful like Koh Phanghan and the, the sunsets are amazing there. I've seen many, many sunsets on Koh Phanghan So, ~um, ~tell me,~ um,~ tell me a little bit about your coaching. You said, you mentioned that you're doing some coaching on your, your own now.

[00:37:43] Ryan Mellon: So like what's that look like and what type of people are you helping?

[00:37:47] Dalia Kemble: Yeah. So I am essentially helping what I call the black sheep,~ um,~ to have the courage to live a life without regrets. So for some people, it literally is to have to take that leap of faith and to become a [00:38:00] digital nomad, if that's what they wanna do. ~Um, ~for other people it is. Having the courage to express themselves, whether it is on social media, whether it is in relationships, whether it's outside of things as well.

[00:38:11] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~and a lot of the time it comes down to people knowing people haven't had, like, I've been in this space and this is why I'm so passionate about this, of ticking off all the boxes, doing all the, all of the things like from the outside, everything is great and life looks successful, but inside it's like, I know I meant for more.

[00:38:29] Dalia Kemble: I know something's missing and I am feeling like unfulfilled and overwhelmed and kind of burnt out, and what does that look like? So I essentially help people when they get to that place to be like that. Like when they're ready to take that next step of knowing there's something more. What does that look like?

[00:38:43] Dalia Kemble: Like I ha I literally have one of my clients,~ um,~ who ended up being a licensed skydiving instructor because that was like something that she truly desired to do. But oftentimes when you are doing something unconventional. There's a lot of fear of judgment, of like, what are people gonna say? What are people gonna think?

[00:38:59] Dalia Kemble: [00:39:00] Like, how am I even gonna make that work? So I essentially help people to, I say, believe in themselves, like to have the courage to go after what truly lights them up. Because when you are living in alignment, at the end of the day, I. You get to win because you are truly happy and not like live in someone else's version of success.

[00:39:16] Dalia Kemble: But everyone around you gets to win as well because you are literally like radiating and inspiring them to live their best lives. And I say even now with being in a digital nomad, like if people didn't inspire me what was possible, I would not be here right now. So. And like feeling this cool of moving that forward and like allowing other people, one person at a time to go and live their best life.

[00:39:36] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~so that then they can inspire more people to do the same. 'cause I think the world would be such a better place if we were just doing what we were meant to do and actually sharing our gifts with the world versus living someone else, living up to someone else's expectations of what you think you should be doing.

[00:39:49] Dalia Kemble: So yeah, I'm really just about helping people to ditch those shoulds and all of those expectations and go after what truly lets them up.

[00:39:57] Ryan Mellon: I love it. Yeah, I think it's, uh, it's [00:40:00] cute. Not a lot of people find what they're. Real purpose and what they're really good at in life and do it like I would say. A very small percentage of people actually figure that out and then actually go for it and make it happen and become successful at it. So, ~uh, ~for those of us who have done it, it's so, ~um, ~just meaningful and it's such a much better quality of life.

[00:40:23] Ryan Mellon: And then it's not like work either too, right? Because you enjoy it, you're passionate about it, you know, all it. It there, there will always be times where it's grueling. If you're building a business or you are a freelancer and you're trying to get clients, and there's always gonna be a times of struggles.

[00:40:42] Ryan Mellon: And it's not just all easy, but it is,~ uh,~ much, a much better experience than working a job that you just absolutely hate every aspect of it. And you're, you know, every day you wake up, you're just like, ugh. Terrible. Like I gotta go to this place again and do this again and do this for the next [00:41:00] 20 years or whatever.

[00:41:01] Ryan Mellon: So I think it's amazing that you're helping other people figure out not only what do they wanna do for work, but just anything in general that they might wanna overcome. It sounds like a, a very good place to be. So as we wrap up, I have just a couple rapid fire questions,~ um,~ that I wanted to ask. And so what's one unexpected item you would never travel without and that does not include your laptop, your phone, passport, or wallet? 

[00:41:30] Dalia Kemble: Unexpected item. I mean headphones that I'm listening with because they are like literally always on me. And for me, music is always. Most common thing. So like if I have headphones and I've obviously got my phone on me and I'm listening to a song or put a song on, it just shifts my vibe anytime. Like if I'm in a bad mood, whatever it is, if I'm just walking along when I listen to a podcast, I wanna listen to music, like headphones are always in my bag somewhere.

[00:41:53] Ryan Mellon: That's a, that's a good one. Yeah. And super important, especially for traveling on flights. Just like, you know, if you're in a [00:42:00] busy metro or you just need some, some, a little bit of, uh. Serenity in your day. Like pop the headphones in and listen to something good. So what, do you have a favorite coworking space that you've discovered, and where is that?

[00:42:16] Dalia Kemble: ~Um, ~in, so in Koh Phanghan Island actually, we go where there's like a coworking group and we go every single week to a different, like we used to go to a different place, now they're changing it around and we're kind of staying in one place. ~Um, ~honestly, just cafes around. Like, it's not even as much about the place.

[00:42:29] Dalia Kemble: Like, don't get me wrong, being on a beautiful place on the beach with a nice view is amazing, but sometimes it's also just about the people. Like you can be in a cafe that's just like a regular cafe and working with people and just having a good vibe. Like for me, that shifts everything. It's not even just always about the place and the experience, it's about who's actually there,~ um,~ which makes the place like beautiful wherever it is.

[00:42:49] Ryan Mellon: I love it. All right. What's one of your number one go-to apps for either working remotely or traveling? 

[00:42:57] Dalia Kemble: Oh, okay. It's gonna sound ridiculous. It's not an app, but Google [00:43:00] Translate

[00:43:00] Ryan Mellon: Oh,

[00:43:02] Dalia Kemble: saves my life literally every time.

[00:43:04] Ryan Mellon: Well, they actually have an app for Google Translate now, so you, it, you can download it too, and you can download the languages so that if you're offline, you can still, uh. You know, be able to talk to people. But yeah, that makes sense. I've had many conversations through Google Translate. It is a super important one and it's not one that anyone has brought up before, but yeah, that is definitely an important one, so love it.

[00:43:32] Ryan Mellon: Well, cool. Well thank you so much for taking the time today. Where can people find you?

[00:43:37] Dalia Kemble: Yeah. Thank you first of all for having me. This has been great and I love having come like. Just the pers of being a digital nomad, having conversations like this in the middle of an afternoon, like on a weekday and being in a job that you love. So thank you for this. ~Um, ~so I am, you can, I actually have a guide to offer if you are listening to this.

[00:43:56] Dalia Kemble: I have a guide that I created called The Black Sheep's Guide to saying Yes to your [00:44:00] life. To essentially help you to take that next step, to have that courage to leap and to stop second guessing and to say yes to your life as well. So I will share that link so you can download that. And I'm on Instagram, so you can come and follow me on there.

[00:44:13] Dalia Kemble: And if you sign up for the guide, you'll be on my email list and I send weekly emails so you can be tapped into that as well. ~Um, ~see, 

[00:44:19] Ryan Mellon: Awesome. 

[00:44:20] Dalia Kemble: you can find me and I'm on, sorry, I'm on Instagram. At my handle is Dalia Kimball, but I'll share the, I'll share the links with you in the show notes so you have that as well.

[00:44:27] Ryan Mellon: Sure. We'll put, we'll put them in there. Uh, Dahlia Kemble on Instagram. 

[00:44:32] Dalia Kemble: Yeah. Awesome. All right, well thanks again for taking the time and ~uh, ~hope to chat soon.

[00:44:39] Dalia Kemble: Thank you. 

[00:44:40] Ryan Mellon: Thanks for listening to another episode of Digital Nomad Nation. I hope today's stories have inspired you to take the next step towards location independence. If you've enjoyed the show, please share it with a friend and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Your support fuels our mission to [00:45:00] inspire the digital nomad lifestyle.

[00:45:02] Ryan Mellon: Before you go, don't forget to grab your free copy of my guide, Seven Ways to Become a Digital Nomad. It's packed with practical tips to kickstart your nomadic journey. You can find the link in the episode description. And remember, the life you've always dreamed of is just one bold decision away. Until next time, this is the Digital Nomad Coach, Ryan Mellon, signing off.