Murder Swap Movies

This week on Pass, Pirate, Pay, Ken and Andy dive into one of cinema’s most twisted ideas: the murder swap.

First up is the classic that started it all, Strangers on a Train, where a chance meeting leads to a chilling proposal. Then it's on to the dark comedy Horrible Bosses, where three friends discover that plotting murder is a lot easier than actually pulling it off.  Then they check out the new Jason Segel film Over Your Dead Body, a darkly comic thriller that puts a modern spin on jealousy, revenge, and just how far people will go when they feel they've been wronged. As the body count and bad decisions pile up, Ken and Andy discuss whether the murder-swap formula still has life left in it—or if some ideas should have stayed buried. 

Along the way, Ken and Andy discuss the appeal of the perfect crime, why strangers make such dangerous accomplices, and which of these films delivers the most satisfying dose of murder and mayhem. As always, each movie earns one of three ratings: Pass, Pirate, or Pay.

Three movies. Three murder plots. One very bad idea.

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Transcript

Strangers On A Train

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Hello, everybody. Welcome once again to Pass Pirate Pay, the movie discussion show. My name is Ken. I'm your host alongside my co-host Andy. Andy, how are you doing today? I'm doing good, Ken. How are you? I am doing A-OK. Andy, I've got murder on my mind. Oh. Murder. You know the problem? The problem with murder is if you have somebody in your life that you would like to have murdered, chances are everybody's going to know. So if you murder that person, the police are going to suspect you. Yeah, you need an alibi. Yeah. You need something to combat the fact that you have all the motive in the world to murder this person. Right. So now on the show today, we're going to be discussing three movies that attempt to tackle this problem. Oh, yeah. Through murder swaps. Murder swaps. The perfect murder. That's right. That's right. So yeah, we're doing uh we're doing three movies. We're doing uh 1951 Strangers on a train, uh arguably the uh the spiritual godfather of all murder swap movies. Uh and then we'll also be doing uh Horrible Bosses and uh Over Your Dead Body, which is currently in the world. We will not be doing Thrill Mama from the Train. That's right. Which is also the other Murder Swap movie. Yeah. So maybe on another one. I remember loving that movie as a kid though. I I love Thrill Mama from the Train. Yeah, I think it's uh I think it's very good. Yeah, um, yeah, it's definitely cool. You're a fan of the genre then, huh? Yeah, yeah. Murder murder swap movies are kind of my bag, I guess. All right, so yeah, let's uh let's dive right in. All right. Uh let's let's go back to 1951, one of the oldest movies we've done so far on the show. Uh it was a while back. Yeah, yeah. Uh, and we're gonna get right into Strangers on a Train, directed by Alfred Hitchcock. It's funny, uh, we're it when we talk about horrible bosses, we can mention the fact that they they make a joke about the fact that nobody has actually seen this movie. Uh, I think like Thromama from the train put the uh crisscross murder swap idea from this movie into the pop culture of the 1980s. Yeah. So that everybody who is our age, like so many people know exactly what this movie is, but nobody has actually seen it. Yeah, I I hadn't. Right, exactly. I had this is my first time watching it. Yeah, uh, I I had seen this movie because I just went through a whole Hitchcock phase where I just watched so, so many of his movies. But but yeah, I I understand that this movie, its place in the popular imagination, is not due to the fact of its own existence. It's just the fact that everybody knows what it is. And this is yeah, uh it's like the shorthand for the kind of movies that we're talking about. Yeah, like I've seen the clip of the of the beginning of the movie where they're on the train and they and they're talking about the idea. We swap murders crisscross. Yeah. Uh yeah. So this movie is uh is about two dudes who meet up on a train, Guy and Bruno, and uh, you know, they get to talking and they they quickly realize that they both have people in their lives that they're not so fond of. And Bruno, it quickly becomes apparent, is an extraordinarily uh sociopathic human being. Yeah, he's kind of he's kind of amoral. Yeah. Um, so yeah, he gets talking to Guy, and Guy is uh in love with this this beautiful woman who's the daughter of a senator, and he's about to have all these great things happening in his life, except for the fact that uh he's already married to a woman who uh seems to have no qualms about cheating on him with as many different dudes as humanly possible. Uh she's kind of a piece of shit, yeah. And uh, but she uh she doesn't want to give him a divorce. So yeah. Uh he's what's he gonna do? What's he gonna do? Enter Bruno. Uh yeah, so the conversation between these two guys on the train is basically just Bruno being a lot. Um, and I I couldn't help noticing this time watching it that it's something I never realized in the past. It seems to me like Bruno is a very specific type of uh homosexual stereotype from this time of from this time period. Oh, maybe, yeah. Like back in the 50s, homosexual men especially were viewed as having a mental illness, right? Homosexuality is a form of psychosis. So, in the popular imagination, if these two if this man is crazy enough to have sex with another man, what else might he be crazy enough to do? If he doesn't have the morals to enjoy a vagina, right, you're right, then he must be a killer as well. Yeah, so not a far leap. The very beginning of the movie, before anything else happens, we're introduced to these two characters by their shoes and their clothes. Before we see either of their faces, we see. So I think it's cool. Really cool. This is a really well-made shot where it's you see Guy and he's wearing like these normal, like working man kind of clothes and shoes. And then we see Bruno coming in with these ridiculously gaudy white shoes and like a and like uh you know, really well, he's just a well put together uh ensemble that he's wearing. This is what like good filmmakers do. Yeah, like they instill something, like you're just watching it, yeah, and you're just watching two guys go to the train, but subconsciously he is he is telling you who these people are before they even meet. Right. Like immediately I'm just watching it, and it's just like you just instantly dislike Bruno. He is like presented as this guy who is like is he's slimy and there's like something's off about him, you know? Yeah, and it's just like, yeah, we just we just don't like these guys. And even though they have this conversation where Bruno puts forth the idea that they're gonna murder, they commit these two murders for each other. Guy obviously uh like it's very clear that he does not want to have this happen, even though it would be great for him to have his wife put out of the picture. He's not he's a regular person, right? He's just a human being and he's not going to have his wife murdered because he's gonna be a good thing. No, you don't even think of that, right? But like at the the way they leave it, Bruno's like, you like my ideas, don't you? And and Guy is clearly just like, I'm gonna get I'm gonna tell this guy whatever he needs to hear so that I can get the hell away from me. He's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. That's great. It's a great place. Bye-bye. But yeah, so then we see the wife, Bruno starts stalking her, and she gets on a bus and goes to uh this carnival with two dudes, and they have this like tunnel of love boat ride where you take a boat to this island. Do they have those where you just steer your own boat around a lake? I don't know if this was. Here's a boat, it's a ride. You just take the boat out. As part of yeah, as part of a carnival, there's this dude who's renting out like a dozen boats, and it's just like you get in the boat, and uh, there's an island across this lake. There's like a tunnel you can go in, or you can just drive around the lake if you want. Who gives a fuck? And you just and just you know, bring the boat back, please. Like, I don't understand. Look at carnivals were fucking crazy back in the day. Really bizarre. But anyway, so the wife goes uh goes across to this island and Bruno gets her away from the dudes that she's with and uh does the deed. He just uh strangles her with his bare hands and puts her to death. Of another just fantastic shot. She wears glasses, and the glasses get knocked off of her face, and we see the murder like it's shot to look like we're looking at it in the reflection in her glasses that are on the ground. Just looks super cool. Yeah, you could tell that like Hitchcock, he was really good at just direction, just plain direction, you know, and and the way things are just suspense and everything. Uh-huh. But he's also kind of schlocky. Yeah. Like schlocky B movie, and it's a merger of those two things that is kind of cool, you know. It's amazing that he is considered one of the greats in the history of cinema because his movies are really like lurid, like you're saying, where it's just like Yeah, they're kind of they're kind of like pulp. Yeah, he's doing pulp. Schlock. I call it schlock. Yeah. Same thing. It's just yeah, and it's just like, and yeah, and this movie, like I it's it's not the best movie he ever made, but it seems like it's the Hitchcockiest Hitchcock movie. Like he is just doing all he's so in his bag in this movie. It's so great. There's so many just like amazing camera shots. There's like the use of shadow, everything just looks fantastic. All the characters are just casting these crazy long shadows wherever they're and that's the that's black and white, I think. Yep, and when you have only black and white to work with, and he was good at that too. Oh man, it just it just looks fantastic. It's just it's just great. But yeah, so Bruno kills the wife, and then you know, he starts pestering guys. Like, okay. Yeah, he said, now it's your turn. You gotta go murder my dad. I need my dad out of the picture. See, that's not what I thought this was gonna be. Uh-huh. I thought that they were going to agree to commit the murders. Yeah. I didn't know that one of the guys was gonna be the antagonist the whole time. Yep. So that was kind of a surprise to me. Uh-huh. Yeah, because in the all of the stuff that I guess Thromba from the Train is kind of similar, where it's like they don't this movie definitely turns it on its head a couple times, right? Like, but this movie is definitely very clear. We have one one of these guys is a good guy and one of these guys is a bad guy. And usually that it doesn't go that way. Yeah. It's you, you know, with the murder swaps. Usually it's two kind of morally gray people, you know. Yeah. But yeah, so Guy is quickly put under suspicion by the police, and he has this one detective who follows him around wherever he goes, and all the while, like the walls are closing in on him. Bruno is threatening to plant evidence, making it look like he's done it, and and just do whatever he can to try to get Guy to murder his dad. And you know, it just kind of spirals out of control from there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's just there's just so many great bits in this movie. Like the tennis part of it. It's so amazing, right? It's so iconic. Yeah. I had totally forgotten about that. And then when it happened, I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Like it's really good. So yeah, there's a bit where uh Guy is a good one. I think that Hitchcock made this guy a tennis player just so we can have that shot. Yeah. So there's a great shot. We should say, we actually explained it. Uh, Guy is a tennis player, and so Bruno is stalking him to the club where he plays tennis, and there's a tennis match going on, and we're watching, and you know, you watch people you watch people watching a tennis match, yeah, and their heads are turning back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. So you just see this entire group of people, everybody acting in unison, looking back and forth. Yeah, and then you just see Bruno is the only person not doing that, and he's just staring daggers right ahead at him. It's really cool. It's so amazing. Um Hitchcock knew that was amazing, too. He you could tell he was like, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Because yeah, he's you know, he was he was uh also You might have got the idea for the whole movie with that shot. Yeah, he's not just a master of suspense, he's also a master of self-promotion, and so I'm sure he was just like, I I got this. Did you catch the cameo? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, that's uh the Hitchcock thing where he puts himself in all of his movies. We see him getting onto a train with a with a stand-up base. Yeah. Um, there's another great bit where so the the incriminating bit of evidence uh Bruno has on Guy is his uh his cigarette lighter. And it's kind of this thing that like Bruno is using to hold over Guy for the entire movie. It's just like all I have to do is plant this at the scene of the crime, and you're screwed no matter what's gonna happen. So we're just constantly watching this thing. So then as Bruno is going to plant this evidence, he drops it down this sewer grate, and there's an amazing bit where Guy is trying to finish off a tennis match that he's playing as quickly as possible to get Bruno before he gets to the island where he drops off the evidence. Yeah. And so, in and intercut with that, we have Bruno stretching his arm down this storm-drained sewer to try to retrieve the the lighter. Yeah. And it's this amazing Hitchcock thing where we hate Bruno, right? We're not we're definitely not rooting for him to do whatever he wants. Yeah. And yet, as he's like stretching and struggling to get the lighter, you're like, is he gonna get it? Is he gonna get it? And you're just so into it. It's such a cool little trick. It's so it's such a great little thing. So uh we should talk about the the uh ludicrous and amazing ending of this movie. So spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoilers for the promised land ahead. Skip to minute marker 16 minutes and 44 seconds, or the next chapter. You have been warned. So they're at the carnival. Uh there are cops everywhere, like dozens of cops, because they're all trailing guy. They think he's the murderer, they're about to get him, and there's just there's cops everywhere. And so Bruno sees he's about to get on the boat to go to the island again, and he sees all the cops, and he's like, uh-oh. All right, there's a there's a merry-go-round. I'll jump on that. That's how I'll I'll get everybody away from me. I don't know how this is what this plan is, whatever. So he and Guy both get on this merry-go-round, and one of the cops sees Guy about to get on the merry-go-round, and he's like, Hey, that's that guy. He's getting on the merry-go-round. I better stop him. Fires a gun at there's like children on the merry-go-round. He shoots the operator of the merry-go-round who leans forward and spins, spins the merry-go-round into like overdrive. And it's going really fast. First of all, doesn't a merry-go-round have a governor? Yeah. It's completely insane. It's so because it's flying. Yeah. This thing, like, yeah, it's like the spin cycle on your on your washing machine. That's how fast this thing is going. And like, again, like another thing with Hitchcock is he famously like is is cavalier about violence against children. Where like there, one of his really early movies, he took a lot of shit because he blew up a kid on a bus. Like, like, like this, there's a there's a scene where this kid is like uh in unwittingly holding a bomb on a bus, and the bomb goes off, and the kid is just killed. And and like people were outraged. And Hitchcock is like, he's he doesn't give a shit. He fucks with people, he doesn't care. So this movie, the same kind of thing happens because there's all these children on the merry-go-round, and most of them are like screaming and terrified, but there's one kid who's just like really into it, he's having a good time. The two guys are fighting, and he starts like whacking one of them, and it's totally ridiculous. But isn't there isn't there like a worker underneath? So then the cops are like, we gotta stop this, we've got to stop this merry-go-round. And this old man, this toothless old man who works at the carnival, he's like, I'm on it, and he just like ducks underneath and he crawls beneath the the those the rapidly spinning merry-go-round to get to the gear. And the cops are like, should we let him do that? He's like, Well, I don't want to do it to you. Yeah, I guess you're right. Like, it's so preposterous, and then this old man gets to the gets to the workings, the gears, and pulls the lever back in the opposite direction, which somehow chucks it up and obliterates the merry-go-round. Like, things just blow up and like the entire structure collapses in on itself, and Bruno is crushed underneath the rubble, and that's how he is killed. It's insane. Yeah. But it's amazing, it's such a great sequence. It's like if if you just turn your brain off and be like, okay, we don't have to worry about how none of this makes sense. It's just just watch it. It's so well made, it's so good. Which is also like a lot of what the plot of this movie is, because the whole movie, it's like, guy, you didn't do anything. Why don't you just go to the police and be like, well, it's just gonna look like I have no way of proving that I didn't have anything to do with it. I have to, you know, I know Bruno. That's right, he could have just gone to the cops, right? Right. But so, and then by the end of the movie, it's just like, oh, this guy who we this guy who you knew did the murder was the guy who did the murder. But it's still the same situation where it's like he has no way of proving that he didn't tell Bruno to commit this murder, but the whole thing happened for but everybody's just like uh whatever. He seemed like a he seemed like a real weirdo and now he's dead, so let's just we can just pin this on. But yes, it's like thoroughly preposterous. So that's it. That's strangers on a train. All right. So would you give

Strangers On A Train Review

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Strangers on a train to pass Pirate A Pay? Man, I love this movie. Pay, pay, pay. Yeah, love it. I give it a pay too, man. It was like, I think it kind of got a little slow in the middle. Yeah, but there was so much about it. Oh, I forgot to even mention my favorite character in the movie is uh the senator's other daughter. That's Alfred Hitchcock's daughter, Patricia Hitchcock, and she is like she's just like the no-filter character who says whatever is on her mind. And like at one point her father even says, just because one has a thought does not mean one has to put it to words. Like she's just like the there's like so much casual bloodthirstiness of people in this movie, and it's like a movie about it takes place in Washington, there's all these senators and politicians and and judges and stuff, and ever and anytime anybody has a chance to talk about something grotesque or or you know murderous happening, everybody's like super into it. So it's just kind of I don't know what Hitchcock's trying to say about the the elites of this country, but it's just like yeah, there's so much um, it's just casual where it's like, oh, this is this is very exciting. Murders you say, whoa.

Horrible Bosses

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All right, our next movie, 2011's Horrible Bosses, directed by Seth Gordon. This movie is about a trio of dudes played by Jason Bateman, Jason Sudakis, and Charlie Day. And they all have horrible bosses. Yeah. The horrible bosses are played by Kevin Spacey, Jennifer Aniston, and uh Colin Farrell. So yeah. And every single role in this was a massive star. Yeah, just huge people all over the place. Even the little ones. Yeah. Yep. So yeah, these dudes they hate their bosses, and they decide that these people need to be getting gotten rid of. So uh at first they go to try to hire uh a hitman. The first attempt, they hire a guy for uh on off of Craigslist for wet work, but that's just code for a dude who pisses on other dudes. Uh and then their second attempt, they go to a bar in the the seediest part of town read black people, uh, and they go and they encounter a man played by Jamie Foxx named Motherfucker Jones. You know, he gets them to give him five thousand dollars uh only to tell them that he's not going to be committing the murders. He's just a consultant. But he's gonna tell him, he's gonna tell him what to do, and his unsurprisingly, his solution is murder swaps. So it's like, all right, dudes, you're gonna have to commit your commit your murders crisscross style, and uh this way nobody can suspect anybody, even though these dudes are all best friends and they hang out together and and like Yeah, they're not strangers, right? Exactly. Like you wouldn't I I don't I don't know that the the cops would have to go too far to uh this was far more preposterous than strangers on a train. Absolutely for sure trip. Like they decide to do recon work, yeah. You know, after after they've decided who was gonna kill who, and they do it together, right? And they encounter the the people that they're supposed to kill accidentally. Yeah, it was always I'm like, what a mess. Yeah, yeah. Um I guess they're just a bunch of dumb fucks and don't know. So yeah, Kevin Spacey is Jason Bateman's boss, and they leave Charlie Day outside to while they're doing the recon in his house, and uh Kevin Spacey has an allergic reaction to some peanuts, uh, and Charlie has to save his life using an epi pen by stabbing him dozens of times with it. Uh um but yeah, so these guys they're like just introducing themselves to each other while it's happening. Um and uh when they're in Jason Sudakis' boss's house, he takes the opportunity to stick everything in the the Colin Farrell's bathroom up his ass just to screw with him. You know, it's just like, yeah, this these guys are not, these guys are not good criminals. No, they're terrible at it. It's really funny to me that Jason's Jason Bateman starred for years on a show called Arrested Development, and then he could not recognize the arrested development that exists throughout this movie. Like this movie seems like it was written for and by a 12-year-old boy. Like so Charlie Day's problem is that his boss, Jennifer Aniston, uh, is being horribly sexually inappropriate to him. Which I thought was kind of funny. And but the Like you were turning it on its head, you know, like and I thought that was kind of funny. But like a super hot woman who wants to bang it. But all anything, like, yeah, and when the other two dudes are are whenever they're all complaining, they get together and they're all complaining about their bosses. Yeah. And anytime he chimes in, the other two dudes are like, oh yeah, it sounds really awful. It's awful. And like, I don't know, like the amount of like gay panic that's going on in this movie between the dude pissing on everybody, or like a huge conversation between Sudakis and Bateman about if they went to prison, which one of them would get raped earlier because uh like uh what year did this come out? 2011. Okay. That's that's not that long ago. Yeah. The bosses are cartoonishly evil in every Instance, but like the dudes themselves are also not good people, like they're terrible people. It's like I don't even understand why we're supposed to be rooting for these guys. Like Charlie Day, I guess is kind of lovable. Yeah. He's he's doing like prime Charlie Day shit where he's just a goofball. Like at one point, he gets he accidentally takes in a bunch of coke, uh cocaine, and uh becomes really hyper and just he's he's doing some funny, goofy Charlie Day shit. But like for the moment did you laugh at all? I I laughed a little bit. I did. Charlie Day gets me. I uh for some reason, yeah, like he just gets me. I just think he's funny. I just think he's it's always been right. He's just a really funny guy. But like, I don't know, Sudakis. It's so funny to me because I don't watch SNL, so I don't have a lot of history with Jason Sudakis. The biggest by far the biggest thing I have of Jason Sudakis is Ted Lasso, right? But it's just so funny that that is a complete upending of his personality in every other thing that he's in, right? Because he is just always a dry, sarcastic asshole. Yeah, that's how that's how he is in real life, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I just, I don't know, man. I just He taught improv like the whiplash guy. Yeah. I just, I don't know, man. His shit just does not work for me. I just don't, I I'm like so naughty. He was a great improviser. Yeah. Great. Just I'm not funny. I'm just I just I just was not into this movie. I I couldn't get past how like it just really wasn't very funny for the most part for me. I just didn't I didn't really like it. Like I don't know, Kevin Spacey just not funny. Like I thought he was funny. I don't know. He just I I I I loved Kevin Spacey. I think he plays a great asshole. Yeah. It's just too much. It's too over the top. Colin Farrell, I guess, was occasionally funny, but he's so he's doing so much. These people are all just doing so much, and it's just too much. I don't know. I just I didn't think it was funny. I didn't I hated everybody in it. I just like all of the characters, not the actors, the characters. Yeah. And I was just like, uh Did you notice who the UPS girl or the FedEx girl was in the beginning? The Duchess of Sussex. Yeah, Meghan Markle uh just showed me. Uh there's an there were a couple of other people. I didn't I didn't notice this, but I was looking at the cast list. Steve Weeby from The King of Kong, A Fistful of Quarters, the Donkey Kong guy. He was in it? He's I he's in the credits. I don't know who he played, but he's in it. Oh wow. Yeah. And uh the kid, the main kid from Freaks and Geeks, John Francis Daly. I noticed him. He he wrote the movie and he's got a small part. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's cool. And he's got a small part. But yeah, there's a bunch of a lot of people in this movie. Like you said. Kevin Spacey's wife is played by Julie Bowen from uh from Happy Gilmore. Uh-huh. But yeah. I know her from Ed. Remember Ed? Ed. The TV show Ed. No, I that's a good one. A little while back, it was kind of like a a sweet show about a dude who ran a bowling alley who was also a little bit. Oh yeah, yeah. I never watched that, but I remember that show. It was good. All right. But yeah, I don't know. This movie, not for me. Just was not for me. Didn't do it? No. So are we gonna give uh horrible bosses a pass pirate pay? Yeah, it's definitely a pass for me. If I was uh I would give it a pirate. It was a very unpleasant experience, viewing experience for me out of the house. I think I just miss comedies a lot. Yeah. You know? They're not really there anymore. Everybody was just too smug and just a dickish. Just get these people off my screen. Fuck you. All right, fair enough.

Over Your Dead Body

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All right, our final movie today is 2026, is Over Your Dead Body. Uh, this is directed by Jorma Tacone. Uh, you told me that uh he is one of the Lonely Island guys. Yeah, yeah. He was also he also played the the weird like monkey kid in Land of the Lost. Okay. The fool Farrell one. Okay. I did not uh I did not see that. Yeah, it wasn't that great. So yeah, this movie is stars uh Jason Siegel and Samara Weaving as a married couple who really, really, really hate each other. Yeah. Like, really, and they're going up to this cabin that they own somehow out in the remote wilderness, and uh they each have separate plans to murder the other one. Yeah, so this is not technically a murder swap. Not technically a murder swap, but these people are amateur murderers trying to figure out uh how to commit murder without getting caught. Right, you know, and uh they come up with plans that are just as stupid as the previous ones that we come up with. Like Jason Siegel's big plan is that he is he just tells every single person that he meets in the time leading up to their trip to the cabin that his wife is really looking forward to going and do some hiking alone. Yeah, he just keeps telling her, I keep saying this is not a good idea, it's pretty dangerous, but she just got her heart set on it, she really wants to do it. So he's gonna, you know, he's gonna stage her death and come back. I I told her I knew I told her she shouldn't have done this. But yeah, so in the process of uh these two people trying to kill they're trying to kill each other, uh Jason Siegel enlists the help of the this like handyman that he went to high school with that like helps around their house. Uh but this guy's an absolute idiot too. So he's not really doing too much helpful thing, uh, too much that is helpful. And then at the same time, there are these two escaped convicts and the female prison guard who is helping them escape, and they wind up in the cabin also, and uh pretty soon everybody's just trying to murder everybody. Yep. So yeah, uh, I don't know. This this this this movie had some stuff going on. I really enjoyed the early stuff before the murdering starts of just watching Jason Siegel and Samara Weaving hate each other. Yeah, like the there's a there's a car ride as they're on their the car ride up to the cabin, you're just watching the two of them interact with each other, and it's just like wow, this is so amazing how just every single word either one of them says to the other one is just like totally dipped in acid. These like these people just cannot stand to be around each other. He's like he's like, You're supposed to slice a garlic and she goes, you're shuff just in such a demeaning shitty way. Oh man, yeah. Uh like some of the the great that's the best stuff in this movie, right? Just the exploration of of look just how much these people hate each other. At one point, uh he's he's talking to her about her her Australian accent, yeah, and he says it's like British cross with the devil. It's really good. I also like when they're trying to out act each other. Oh yeah. Like they're trying, they're both like doing what they would do with the when the cops came and they were trying to be they were faking their sadness. Oh, right. And they're both like having like a battle, right? Trying to well up tears. It was really funny. There was a great bit that I this is just my own personal thing, uh, where they're playing, uh they're playing Scrabble against each other, yeah, and Jason Siegel makes some sort of ridiculous word that's not actually a word. Yeah. And she's like, Well, what does that mean? He's like, it's a word that's in the Scrabble dictionary. And I used to love to play Scrabble, but I had to stop playing Scrabble because I played against too many people who just do this thing where it's just like, I don't care what the words mean. I just know that it is an actual word that I can use in Scrabble. Yeah. And that shit annoys the absolute hell out of me. I can't stand it. And I used to love to be playing. There are two kinds of Scrabble players, right? Yeah, exactly. And when I saw that, I was like, yes, yes, yes, everybody who plays Scrabble like Jason Siegel should be murdered. Um but yeah, so then when the convicts show up, the the the convicts are played by Timothy Oliphant and some giant dude that I don't recognize. And Juliet. And Juliet Lewis is the is the prison guard who escapes them. And she's insane. Yeah. Like, so she uh is in love with Timothy Oliphant, and that's why she has helped them to escape. And uh like she just like keeps wanting to have sex with him in like increasingly inappropriate ways and times. Yeah. Um and yeah, like eventually the movie just kind of devolves into like I don't know. Am I getting old? I don't know. There's a lot of really grotesque violence in this movie, which is a kind of thing that in the past I have found very funny. Like it I still find it funny, and I just I don't know, I just didn't get it. Like I still find it like Tom and Jerry funny. Yeah, like there's a scene where a guy gets literally his face blown off with a shotgun, yeah. And like the movie just shows like the guy with a hole where his face used to be. Yeah, and it's just like I don't know. I I I didn't find it shocking or funny, or I was like, what is wrong with me? What I laughed, I laughed. I was I was I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is about the the like is this movie's really going for it. It's really going for like grotesque, gnarly violence. At one point, a character is killed via lawnmower, uh like like it is really, really doing stuff. Yeah. Um, but I don't know, it just didn't work for me. You know what I heard? I heard that uh comedies are in such a bad spot that they're having trouble getting green lit. Uh-huh. So they have to like combine them with other genres in order for them to get in order to get money to get made. Yeah. So this was kind of a horror, like suspense comedy. Right. Even though I thought it was comedy forward. Yeah, for sure. You know? Yeah, it's like but that's not how they like sold it to studios when they were trying to get money. Yeah. I read a whole thing about it. Yeah, it seems like this movie's kind of a companion piece to uh Together, which we did last year on the show with uh with Dave Franklin. That's another one that they kind of sold as Yeah, and that one is that one is less comedy forward. Uh that one was more leaning into the the horror part of it than this than this one is. But yeah, they're both kind of of a piece, you know. They're they they seem like they're they're two movies that are kind of trying to do the same kind of thing. But I just thought that one was way more successful than this one. I this one, I don't know. It's just like and I really love a lot of these people. Like I I I think I don't even think the acting is bad. I don't think any of the actors are doing bad work. Like Jason Siegel is really funny, and and Timothy Olifan and Juliet Lewis are really really going for it. I thought the big dumb guy was funny too. Yeah, he's really funny too. Like I I but I don't know. I think it's just a combination of the the scripts. Once it starts getting all murdery, it wasn't that funny to me. And then the over-the-top gore of the violence just didn't work for me. Uh I don't know. It just this movie didn't talk to me. I don't know, I I don't know. I thought it was fun. I had I had a fun time with it. Yeah. I I saw it like within 24 hours after having watched Horrible Bosses. So I was kind of like talking myself into it because I definitely like this a lot more than Horrible Bosses. But at the same time, I just I don't know. I don't I don't really like it all that much. There's some good stuff, but on the whole, I don't know. Um there's I think Jason uh uh what's his name? Jason Siegel. Jason Siegel. I think Jason Siegel does an incredible job in everything he does. Yeah. And he was enjoyable to watch this whole thing, I thought. Um there's a girl too. There's a bit with his dad, Jason Siegel's dad. The movie starts out where the dad's in a nursing home and he's telling Jason Siegel that he he's not tough like the man of his generation was. Yeah. And he says something like, I wish a war upon you. And just and I just like, okay, I know what's coming. Like he's going, this movie's going to end up in the war that this that the dad was talking about. And sure enough, that is exactly what happened, you know. And then at some point, the dad this this sequence was like the worst part of the movie for me, where it's just like it's it just felt so cliche and cheesy, where the dad somebody alerts him that something is going on in his cabin. So he breaks himself out of the nursing home. Yeah. He's and he takes this car from the orderly from an orderly at the nursing home, except there's like this loud techno music going on in the car, and he can't figure out how to turn the music off. Yeah. And so he's just driving all this way with the music going on. And so, of course, by the time he gets to the to his destination, he's like super into the music that's going on, and it's just like I'm a he's a badass old man, and it's just like it's just so corny and so shitty to me. I I like I had fun with it. Yeah, I was just not there. I had fun with it. It was good, it was fun. I don't know. Um I also love Timothy Oliphant. I do too, I really do. But yeah, like I said, a lot of people I really like doing work that is not even that bad, and yet somehow the movie was just kind of a miss for me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Alright, so is that all you got for us? Yeah, I think that's gonna do it. Alright, so you're gonna give uh over your dead body a pass pirate a pay, Cam. Well, I'm on the fence on this one because there is some good stuff on here. I think I'm gonna lean into pirate. I think I'm gonna get it up to pirate. Okay. I was I was I was considering I was considering a pass, but I think there's enough going on here that uh this movie is is worth your time, if not your money. I am also on the fence, but I'm going one up. Yeah, you're going to pay. I'm going to pay, yeah. All right. Well, that's good. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I see. Even though I couldn't quite get there. So it was fun. But if it's a pirate, it's a pirate. But it was a pay for me. Right on. I liked it. Right on. Alright, so Ken, uh, next time is Mother's Day. Mother's Day. Which is coming up. Yeah. I want to put this out probably on or maybe a little bit right after Mother's Day. But we're going to do our mom's favorite movies. Okay. And we're just going to do one of our mom's favorite movies. And hopefully you have found one. Did you find one? I uh I gotta call my mom tomorrow. So we don't have it. I can't listeners are gonna have to remain in suspense until I I I'm gonna do my mom, one of my mom's favorite movies, and she's asked me to watch a million times and I never have. Okay. And it is the red shoes. Okay. The old, like 50s or 30s. I don't even know. Yeah, I had the old red shoes. That movie's actually been on my watch list uh for a little while now. I I can't remember who it was, but I uh you ever watched the Criterion Closet? Yeah. Yeah, so I I forget who it was, but somebody in the Criterion Closet picked the red shoes in. Everybody like when you when you when Scorsese and Spielberg, they all say it's one of their favorite movies. All right, so that sounds fun. Yeah, like I said, I'm gonna talk to my mom tomorrow. I'm gonna get her get her to give me a recommendation. We'll see what uh we'll see what that might be. We'll find out what that is. Yeah. All right, we'll see you next time. All right, bye-bye. Thanks for tuning in to Pass Pirate Pay. This episode was produced by the one and only Andy Morris. If you haven't already, hit that subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. We'd hate for you to miss out on all the fun. Curious about where to stream the movies we talked about? Head on over to PassPiratePay.com. We've got everything listed with handy links on where to watch. You can also join the conversation on our Facebook page or stalk our cinematic musings on Letterboxd. Links are on the site. Got a movie or TV show you think we should review? 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