I'll Be Watching You (Stalker Movies)

Ever get the feeling someone is watching you? This week on Pass, Pirate, Pay, Ken and Andy dive into three unsettling tales of obsession and paranoia. First up is Greta, where a simple act of kindness turns into a nightmare. Then it's Watcher, the slow-burn thriller that asks whether your instincts are protecting you... or betraying you. Finally, they take on the new horror film Obsession, where fixation and terror collide in all the wrong ways.

Which films keep you on the edge of your seat, and which ones should've stayed hidden? Tune in as the guys decide whether each movie deserves a Pass, a Pirate, or a Pay.

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Transcript

Greta

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Hello, everybody. Welcome once again to Pass Pirate Pay, the movie discussion show. My name is Ken. I'm your host alongside my co-host Andy. Andy, how are you doing? I'm doing pretty good, Ken. How are you? I'm doing pretty good too. So it's uh we got a fun one this week. We're doing uh we're doing some movies about stalkers. That's right. So yeah, we got uh some movies about some people who are very, very much into some other people. Oh yeah. So our trio of movies this week, we're gonna be doing uh 2018's Greta, uh 2022's Watcher, and uh in theaters now 2025's Obsession. So yeah, it's uh let's let's just dive right in. All right. Let's get let's get stalk let's get our stalking on. All right. These are all relatively new movies. Yeah, fairly new.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Our oldest one is uh is 2018. So one of the stalker movies that I remember was Fear. Okay. You remember that one? I never saw it. I didn't know you had to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Wait, I think I actually I think I might I might have seen it all along. It was like one of Mark Wahlberg's first movies. Yeah, it's Reese Witherspoon also. That's that's the one with his scene on the roller coaster. Uh yeah. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

So I did see that, but that's a long, long time ago I saw that. Yeah, that was uh I remember that as that was one of the first stalking movies that I remember seeing. Yeah, I don't remember that movie at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

But yeah, I guess uh yeah, people talk about that one as like Marky Mark is uh super scary in that one. So yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

So apologies to that then. Yeah, we could have had so many more Funky Bunch albums if it wasn't for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Oh man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Although I recently uh I just I just watched Boogie Nights again uh just because I love it. And uh I'm starting to come around on the Mark Wahlberg performance in that movie. Yeah. Did you not like it? I I I always kind of thought that that movie's great because uh or in spite of Mark Wahlberg, but uh I don't know. This last time I watched it, I was like, you know what? He's like he's bringing some energy that I don't know who else could have done, you know?

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Yeah, there was a what I liked about that performance was how it went from kind of naive, wide-eyed to like like scumbag, right, like bottom of the barrel. Like that whole journey I thought was really organic and felt really good. And I think he did it well.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

It just like that character is so like dim-witted, you know? Like he's just like there's so much that happens to him that he is like not mentally able to.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

No, it never feels like he's in control of the ship. Yeah, it's it's he's like along for the this wild, wild ride.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

And so in the performance, this last time I watched it, I was like, wow, I I don't know who else could have done that. I don't know who else could have given that impression of like stupidness is a is a mean way of saying it, but like it's he's kind of a dumb character. But it's also like even when it's when he's no longer naive, he's also kind of like unable to comprehend the things that are going on around him, you know. He's just he's not bright, you know what I mean? Yeah and it's it it's it's uh it's a cool it's a cool performance. I don't know. So let's go. Uh let's get started. 2018 Greta, directed by Neil Jordan. This movie uh stars Chloe Grace Moretz, uh hit girl, as a young woman living in New York, and uh we learn quickly that her mother has died recently and uh and her she is kind of estranged from her father who keeps calling her, but she's not really wanting to talk. And then she uh she finds this purse on a subway and uh looks inside and and sees the there's an ID in it, so she decides she's gonna go bring return this to this woman who lost the purse. Uh, and this is Greta, uh who uh is played by Isabel Hooper, and this uh it this movie this movie gets where it's going really quickly. I was actually kind of surprised where it's just like there's very little early on stuff where it's just like, oh, this Greta is a sweet woman, and and the this relationship between this young woman and this older woman, yeah, who are both lonely and they they kind of need each other. It's it's very sweet. That lasts very like it's like a half hour into the movie when Greta becomes insane. Right. Yeah so I was like, I was like I was I was kind of surprised and happy about it. I think like this I was expecting it to take a long time to get where it was going, but it's just like, oh no, we're going lots of different places. So yeah, the relationship turns sour when Chloe's character discovers that they're that that Greta has an entire drawer full of these purses that she just leaves behind, hoping that's the scam. Yeah, hoping that some young woman will come along and and uh enter her web. Does it have to be a woman or anyone? Yeah, I guess I'm not sure. I uh everybody that it happens to in the movie is a woman, but I can't imagine that that's uh a prerequisite. Because men just take the money and throw away the purse. Yeah, right. But yeah, so Chloe sees that this is all those whole thing is is not uh a nod above board, and she's uh she tries to you know ghost Greta into like just like okay, I don't need you in my life anymore, but Greta is not having it. Chloe works as a as a waitress, and Greta shows up at her west uh at her restaurant job, like just sitting at a table in a in a very, very unpleasant scene where like Isabel Hooper is really, really going for it, like screaming, and at one point she's like she plays a Hungarian woman, so she's like yelling at her in Hungarian, and this is like the whole thing is very unsettling. This is like okay, uh yeah. I think I I I really like Isabel Hoppaire in this movie. I think she is uh playing a very admirable psychopath. Yeah. Um and sh the there's a lot of talk about Greta's daughter, um who is she alleges is living elsewhere and she's you know she's studying music in Paris or something. But then when when Chloe tries to track the daughter down, we meet with uh with the daughter of some former friend of the daughters and finds out that the daughter is dead and she has killed herself because uh she cannot live with the horrible, overbearing mother that she was settled with. We then learn that Greta has a little hidden room in her house behind her piano. Yeah. Uh um and this is where she keeps her victims once uh once the the people who return the purses are no longer enamored with her, uh they need to be contained.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Yeah, and do you remember early in the movie? Yeah, there's banging. There's and it was that was a previous victim, and she's like overlaying the victims.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yep, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I yeah, I remember I remember because I mean I I had never seen the movie, but I remember had I had seen the trailer, and like we know where this was this was this movie's a creepy stalker movie, right? So even early on when we hear the banging, I was like, that's not the neighbors. We know what's going on. Yeah, and then they they wind up replaying the scene later on when there's a private investigator who comes looking for Chloe, who is now in the room. Um, with and there's like a there's like a tiny box that within the room that she is sometimes uh punished by being put in. But uh when the private investigator is there, Chloe starts banging on the walls, and it's and it's played exactly the same way where Greta is just like, oh, these these damn neighbors, they're so inconsiderate. This is so terrible. So this this private eye show, you know, he he's able to track track everything down, track, track her down and see what's going on. And it's like of all the characters in a movie that you ever see, and you know that this character has no chance of surviving the movie, this private investigator was like 100% like this, there's no chance that this man is ever gonna survive. Greta, she is able to get his gun away from him. She's a poisoner. She likes to drug uh to roofy people. That's how she uh that's how she gets her victims subdued. So uh yeah, she she uh she gets the she gets the private eye uh loopy on on Roofies or whatever and uh takes his gun and and shoots him and then she like starts doing these pirouettes and stuff as the as the man is dying. Looney's talker dance. Yeah, she's she's just crazy, she's just a crazy person. Yeah, I I don't know. I thought this movie was kind of cool. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I thought it was fine. Yeah. I mean it it kept my interest. Yeah, but I I don't think it went anywhere crazy that I didn't think it was gonna go. Yeah, I it was kind of uh like as far as like these type of movies go, it was a little bit formulaic for me.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah, I definitely yeah, I definitely did know, but like I didn't expect so much where like Chloe Grace Morance's character is trapped in the house for a much longer time than I was anticipating, you know? Yeah. Um, and like there's a really cool scene where Greta is teaching her to they're they're doing some kind of cooking or something, or they're baking cookies, and uh Chloe like takes a cookie cutter and and chops off two of Greta's fingers with the cookie cutter, and I and I thought that was like a dream sequence. I was like, this this isn't really happening, but no, no, no. For the rest of the movie, Greta's just walking around short two finger. Uh so I thought that scene was kind of cool. There's a scene where uh Chloe's roommate, played by Micah Monroe, who we'll be hearing more from. Yes. Um uh Greta is stalking her and sending and texting Chloe pictures of her stalking her roommate. Right. Uh and I thought that scene was kind of cool. I thought that was uh that was a fun little bit. They'll just pick they're running around the city and taking pictures, and yeah. And yeah, and we just you know keep getting all the text updates of of the stalking that's going on. Yeah. So I thought there were some cool tense moments. I I'm with you, this movie is definitely not breaking any kind of new ground. There's really not a lot uh that was shocking, but uh I thought it was a a pretty good ride. I I like I I I like you, I was not bored. I was I was into the story. I thought the the acting was great. Yeah. Across the board, I think. Yep, for sure. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Um I thought it was pretty good. Me too. All right. So what are we gonna give Greta? Can a pass pirate or pay? I think I would go to pay for this one. Really? I think it's a slight pay. I think I'm a pirate. Yeah. I think I I did pirate it. Uh-huh. I did it. So and it felt appropriate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

No, I'm right there with you. I think I'm I I was like right on the line, but I think I liked it. Uh I think I like it just enough to to recommend that our audience might pay for it. Okay. All right.

Watcher

SPEAKER_01 11:18

All right. Our next movie uh is 2022's Watcher, directed by Chloe Akuno. Uh, and this movie stars Micah Monroe, who was the roommate in our previous movie. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Which I was not aware of when I picked these movies. That's uh apparently she's creep me out a little bit. She's just the go-to actress for stalkers, apparently, I guess is where we're at.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Long leg stalked her too. Oh, yeah, see. I so I I had seen her in a few things. I didn't see long legs. Um, you didn't? No. Oh, okay. And the whole time I was watching these movies, I was like, what do I know this woman from? And it turns out the thing that I know her most from is the trailers for the stupid Colleen Atwood movie that she's been. Have you seen the what the hell is it called? Memories of him or something like that? Where she's that's her? That's her. And I saw that trailer so many times.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

I saw that trailer a bunch too. And it looked like it looks like a Hallmark movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:15

Yeah, exactly. Where yeah, where she gets drunk and her husband dies in the car crash in a car crash driving, but she goes to prison because she was drunk when the accident happens. So the movie starts when she gets out of prison. It just looks so bad. She likes bangs his best friend or something. Yeah. But yeah, that's my like I that's my experience with Micah Monroe before these two movies. Wow. Just seeing her. She's been in a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I think I've seen like I've seen her face, but I I when it turns out, I was like, why do I know this woman? That's why I know her from just as trailers for this stupid movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Yeah, but I don't go to nearly as many movies as you do, and I'd seen that trailer like six times. So many times.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

But anyway, uh in this movie, uh, she plays a young woman, a retired actress, who has moved with her husband to Bucharest, Romania, because his work has taken him there. Weird setting for a movie. Very strange. You know, he's so he's part Romanian, and so he speaks the language, but she does not know any Romanian. Uh-huh. And so basically, there's a guy who lives across the street from them, and he is staring at her all the time, and following her around and watching her through the window of their apartment, through his window, and uh yeah, he's he is the watcher of this movie. Um and this movie does some some cool stuff. The fact that it's in Romania, but anytime anybody is speaking Romanian and she is around, there's no subtitles. So all the times that that anything is going on in the movie, she has no idea what anybody's saying, so we don't get to have neither do we. Yeah, so we don't get to have any idea what anybody's saying. And I think it's a really good way, it's a really good filmmaking trick to just be like to to kind of put you in her spot, where it's just like, what the hell is going on here? You know. So I thought that was kind of cool. The way this movie starts is really cool too. I thought um the opening credits sequence, she and her husband, they they get to their brand new apartment in Bucharest and they decide to start having sex. And right out in front of this gigantic open window. And the opening credits are just them having sex while the credits are rolling, and we're watching it through the open window. So we're so it's like we're putting they're putting us in the spot of the creepy dude who's who's eventually gonna be watching them. But man, if if if the previous movie uh felt formulaic, this movie is is just like it immediately tells you exactly what it's going to do, and then it just does it. And it like I kept expecting different things to happen. Like, obviously, she's foreign to all of these people, and so she's gonna be accusing this dude, like this guy is stalking me, and he's creepy and all these things, but everybody's like, Oh, this woman, this American woman, she's just a lunatic, and obviously everybody's gonna think she's crazy. But I kind of was kept thinking that that was going to be what was going on. I was like, maybe like I think this dude, I think the dude who's staring at her, I think he's probably maybe somebody somebody's obviously stalking her, but he's not the one, and the real killer's gonna come and he's gonna hit him in the head with a shovel, like the old man in home alone. Yeah. And it's just like, nope, we're just like this is the guy. Straight down the middle. This is the guy. Yeah, so they have this, they have this hot neighbor, and she's a stripper, and she speaks English, so she becomes Micah's only friend in the city. At one point, Micah she sees the dude walking around in the streets, and she decides that she's gonna turn the tables, and so she stalks him, and she stalks him to this strip club where he's just working as a giz mopper or something, and we see that the friend, the next door neighbor friend is there, and it turns so and then eventually it turns out that he's actually the creepy dude is actually just stalking both of them because they live right next door to each other. So it's like two for the price of one stalker.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

He gets all he has to do is move his eyeballs one way or the other, gets them both.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

But yeah, it I I I don't know. This is another movie that had it it maintained my interest and it had some cool stuff. There were some cool scenes, but boy, really not breaking any kind of new ground on this other.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

No, I I thought you might like the tone of it though. Yeah. Because the the whole overall tone of it was pretty like nouveau horror, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah, I don't know. I uh I don't know. Maybe it's because I watched this one right after Greta, but I just kept thinking about how I liked Greta better. Yeah. Like I thought that Greta was the acting was better. The scares were scarier. I like neither one is really scary, but like Greta is a much like creepier villain, I think, than just the weird stalking. And she's a more present villain.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah, for sure. The the watcher, you're never really sure until the end who it is, and then it's just who it is.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Yeah. I just I don't know. I found I found there to be a lot more tension. It's not that I it's not like that I thought Greta was great and this movie is bad. I think both movies are kind of good.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

Um I just like this one slightly less than Greta, you know?

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Uh there's one thing I did want to talk to you about. Uh, at one point she goes to the movies.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's another reason why I thought. So they go see Charade, which we talked about on our last show. Yeah, we talked about it on our last show. And so in Charade, Audrey Hepburn is married to this dude who it turns out is just totally not anybody that we thought he was going to be. Right. And then the building that she and her husband live in has the same kind of spiral staircase surrounding an elevator kind of thing. So I got my got my head all wrapped up. It was like, oh, the husband, something is something is really gonna be going on. Like, I got my head all geared up for some crazy twists to happen. And that's another reason why when nothing happened, I was just like, huh.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

So with the same actress in two movies, and then the movie from last week inside of this movie. Are we watching stalker movies or are stalker movies watching us? No, we're being stalked by the movies. We are being stalked by the stalker movies. How unusual. Yes, yes, that's what it feels like.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Such a really weird coincidence, right? That we would just talk about charade and then we do the movie where they I think I had watched it like a couple days before. I was like, what the fuck? That's so funny.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

She's going to the movie that we just watched from the 60s.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Yeah, that's wacky. Yeah, that's really strange. That's a really weird coincidence.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

All right, so Ken, uh, what would you give Watcher, a past pirate or pay? This one's a pirate for me. It's a pirate for me, too. Yeah. Pirate for me, too.

Obsession

SPEAKER_01 19:16

All right, our final movie today is 2025's Obsession, directed by Curry Barker. This movie, Andy, is legitimately a phenomenon. Yeah. Like we it has become more since we've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. So some some things that that I heard about. He's a golden boy. It's unbelievable. Yeah, so this guy, Curry Barker, he's 26 years old or something. Just did stuff on a short film on YouTube before this. And this is his first feature. They made it for $750,000. Yeah. Man, what a mint. Unbelievable. It's already made over a hundred million so far.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yeah, it's one of it's like Blair Witch project level blockbuster success movie. Like, it's crazy. So, some things I heard about this movie, some stats about the box office of this movie. This is the first movie to make more money in its third weekend than its second weekend, and its second weekend than its first weekend since 1982. The movie was E.T. No shit. Isn't that fucking crazy? It's beaten E.T. No, no, it's the first movie since E.T. to do it. To to do that.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Now, I don't think it's on the scale though, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

No, no, I'm sure it's not. But like, yeah, it's like E.T. made more money. It went from fur its first weekend was was okay, second weekend big, third weekend bigger. And this movie did the same thing, and no movie since then, no movie since E.T. has done this.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

No movie since E.T. has done this. Isn't that insane? There hasn't been sleeper hits that have done that. That's I I I heard it from two different places. It probably has done it from two weeks, but probably not three. Okay. I read yeah, I heard it in two different places. Man, I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

I can't believe Pulp Fiction didn't do that. Yep. I yeah, it's crazy. I don't understand it. Uh also, this movie made more money in its third weekend than the Mandalorian and Grogu made in its second weekend. Oh. It beat a fucking Star Wars movie. And it was already out a week longer than the Star Wars movie when it beat it. Pretty cool. That's insane. Yeah, the second weekend of the Mandalorian and Grogu, and it just can't compete with obsession. Wow. So yeah. Um let's talk about it. This movie is about uh is about a dude named Baron, and uh he is in love with one of his co-workers, and she is uh she just looks at him as a friend. And so he is we s the the early parts of the movie we see him like talking with with this other coworker, this buddy of his, the buddy of both of theirs, and he keeps telling the guys, like, I'm gonna ask her, I'm gonna tell her I love her, I'm gonna do all these things. And it's like, you know, he's just played as like this sweaty. Nervous weirdo guy. But yeah, so then he goes to buy her a present. It goes to this like weird, it's like uh it kind of reminded me of cemetery pulp. Yeah, like cemetery pulp here in town. It's like a creepy shop. He's gonna buy her some kind of crystal or something, but when but instead he he sees a one-wish willow. Have you ever heard of a one-wish willow before this? I have not. I don't think there was one.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

I thought they were real. I thought no, no. I remember uh him and his mother created the packaging for it. Oh, really? Yeah, it was totally fabricated. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

It's exactly what it sounds like. It's just a little branch of a willow tree, and uh if you and you snap it in half and make a wish, and who knows, maybe your wish will come true. Well, of course, we know that yes, it is in fact going to his wish is true. It totally works. Yep. So yeah, he he has an agonizing conversation with her in the car after he's after he's driving her home from uh pub trivia night where he's it's like he he's he clearly another reason that the movies are stalking us.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Oh, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Oh man, yeah, now I'm getting scared. Um, but yeah, so they have this really long conversation where it's like he's is he gonna tell her, is he gonna admit his true feelings? Is he gonna ask her out? Is he gonna and eventually he just chickens out, and as she's walking back to her house, he pulls out the one wish willow and says, I wish that she would love me more than anyone else in the world, snaps the thing in half, and we are off and run. Off to the races. Yeah, off and running. So a couple of seconds after he makes the wish, she uh suddenly forgets. She suddenly realizes that uh wait, I didn't need to go to my house after all. I'm gonna come back to the car. And uh, you know, she starts she may starts making up this story about how her dad is dying, um, and you know, she just really needs someone to to comfort him. Yeah, uh, but yeah, from there on, it's just it becomes more and more clear that she the the the obsession in the movie title is very, very real. Yeah, his wish shockingly for movies about people who make wishes. This one is all the way back to the monkeys paw. Yeah, exactly. That's what this was that's what this was. Exactly what it was. The monkey's paw. It's it is one it is be careful what you wish for, right? Because she if she becomes deeply, deeply obsessed with him. Man, uh this movie. I fucking love this movie. You liked it? I loved it. I absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

I it was so amazing what they did with so little. Like very few set pieces. It did they just did so much with so little. It's unreal.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

You know? So Indy Navaretti is the actress who plays Nikki, the the obsessed obsess obsession, the the object and then stalker of the of the of the obsession. Yeah. Man, is she doing a a lot of stuff in this movie? She is she it she has such a crazy hard job to do, and the whole tone of the movie, I feel like rests on her performance, where she is simultaneously this movie bounces back and forth like within split seconds from being uncomfortably hilarious and absolutely terrifying. Yeah, like in five times in the same scene. In just over and over again, where it's just like she is so magnetic. We're I'm just you're just watching her, and you like what in the hell is she going to do? You have no idea. She's so like the the crazy look that she has in her eyes, and the a really cool thing that this movie does is it just keeps reminding you over and over again that this isn't really Nikki. Like right, her autonomy has been taken away. Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

So there's some weird substitute.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

And there are there are various times throughout the movie where the real Nikki is able to sneak back in and take control and like what the hell is happening here? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Like she would. And those those performances are really good.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Really good. Everything is so good.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Really good. Like everything she's doing is is just fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

I And just no real special effects, just pure acting. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. There's an absolutely bananas and fucking hilarious scene where so she at one point Baron is going to work and she doesn't want him to go, but she's not really saying anything. Uh, and then as he's about to walk to the door, they cut to the door, and we see that she has put like 70 pounds of duct tape on the front door of his house to try to get him to leave. And and she's just sitting there, like, oh well, maybe if you can't get out, maybe you should just stay home. And he is just like trying to rip the door up. No, no, no, I'm good. I'm gonna go. But then after he gets out the door, the camera just holds on her as she's just standing there, staring at the door like a dog, wetting herself, and then she pisses herself. Yeah, and then later on, when he comes home, he sees her still standing there, and she is now also vomited all over herself. And she's just disgusting, and she just has been standing there staring at him the whole time. It's completely insane and so good. Yeah. Yeah, I I can't say enough about this movie, man. I I I really, really loved it.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Um it was a really fun time. I saw it in a packed full of theater. Yeah, it was really full when I saw it too. And it was a bunch of like teenagers, and everybody was because there's so like like great horror movies do, like, there are moments where you go, oh no, something's gonna happen. Yeah. And everybody's on edge, right? Yeah. Something's gonna happen. Yeah. You know, she's standing in the dark and she's talking real softly. Yeah. You don't know what's gonna hap sometimes. Nothing happens. Right. You know, but sometimes that other shoe drops. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

So I guess spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoilers for obsession ahead. Skip to minute marker 34 minutes and 50 seconds, or the next chapter. You have been warned.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

There's there's one scene that I thought was so amazing where so the movie there are four co-workers. They're two men and two women that they're they're friends, right? So uh Bear and Nikki, they're they do their thing, and then there's another woman, and she has a crush on Bear, but he only he you know, it's the same kind of thing where he doesn't feel that way about her, just like Nikki didn't feel that way about him, right? So, but at one point, so Nikki starts behaving really erratically, and everybody starts getting concerned. So she invites Bear out uh to go talk with him in her car, and the two of them are just sitting there in she's in the in the driver's seat and he's there, and we're watching from his perspective. So you see the driver's window in the background, like we're looking at the face of the woman, but the driver's window is there in the background, and it's just like something's gonna happen, something's gonna happen, something's gonna happen, so and then holy shit, does something ever happen?

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Yeah, there was lots of endings like that. I thought the ending was really good. Amazing, just a really, really fantastic, yeah, great ending. Ending was really good. The director, I've been watching the director on YouTube do a bunch of stuff. Yeah. And he says that he might be in talks to do a 10-episode series. Okay. And it's just gonna be an anthology series of people making wishes. Oh shit. And sometimes it goes great and sometimes it goes horribly wrong. You know, because if you remember he w he went back to the shop to try to get the to try to undo it. Yep. And the shop the shop guy was a different guy. Yep. He goes, No, we just moved him over here. And he goes, I need somebody. He goes, I can't do it. I already made my wish. So this guy's already made a wish. Right. He already knows they work. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Yep. Yeah. And then at one point, the the the other guy, so Bear tries to give the other guy the the wish, the one wish willow and say, Okay, you make a wish that undoes my wish. Right. But the guy doesn't believe him, so he's just like, I wish I had a billion dollars and snaps the thing in half, and then all of a sudden cash just starts falling on his head. Yeah. So yeah, maybe sometimes the things just work out, you know?

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Yeah. And I also I also heard people talking on the internet, uh, at the end, the Nikki is the only one to make it out alive. Yep. Like everyone else is dead. All the other four main characters, three main characters are dead. Yep. She's the only so when the cops come, what does she do? Right. She pulled the trigger on one, she killed two of them.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

She actually, yeah, uh, yeah, because Bear kills himself, but Nikki actually murdered the other two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

So it's she's gonna have to make a wish to stay out of jail. But she already made her wish. Oh, she did, that's right. Yeah, that's right. That's how it ended. So yeah, I thought this was like this was really good, but like it's so weird to me that it's such a phenomenon because it's crazy. Even though it's good, it's like an episode of Black Mirror. Yeah. You know, it's it's good, but it's not gonna win awards. I don't know, man. I I think it might win an acting award.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

I think it's special. I don't think I even though the Oscars are getting cooler lately, I I can imagine that Nikki that Indy Navaretti gets to be recognized for this movie, even though that would be really amazing. I don't know. I because we've been proven wrong a bunch of times, especially lately. Dude, I would be so happy. I I I actually I think this movie is really special. I think this is uh like uh an all I've seen it twice already. Um really? Yeah, I went and saw it again just I you know, because we're talking about it, but also because I just wanted to see it. I wanted to see if it still works the second time. And it's it works, I think it's even better the second time. Okay. I just I think it's really good. So I I don't know, maybe it's just quality, just quality wins out uh on what makes something a phenomenon.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Just creativity. It's because it isn't really a singular story. No, it's existed before, you know. It's just I don't know. It's just a really it's just a really well-made movie, and it's you know what I think, you know what I think did it is there was a part where I was watching YouTube and I guess she played it a little scarier before.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

She was playing a little scary, and the director said, I don't want this to be scary, I want it to be whiny. Okay. I want it to be like needy and when and instead of like you know, like overbearing and aggressive, yeah. It was like the like you know, and it was that. And I think that that made it a little scarier and a little more unique. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

You know? I I just like this movie is an incredible amount of fun. Like I had a I I just it's I had an absolute blast watching it. And as somebody who loves horror movies, it's like I I it's like there's some there's some scenes that are just really scary where it's just like just the not knowing what's going to happen. Like they created this character who was so unpredictable. She's like hurting herself all the time, and and just like it it's just become so crazy that it's just like the not knowing what's gonna happen just makes it so intense and so scary. I I just I think it's really good. I don't know. Yeah, like like I said, it's so funny and so scary to and to do both at the same time is is kind of amazing.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

I so what do you think happens when they give this guy $20 million? But I'm excited. I'm ready, whatever he makes next, I'll be there. Because I heard Matt Damon say once that money is the enemy of creativity. Right. Sometimes it happens that way.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Um what's the Aubrey Plaza time travel movie?

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh Safety Not Guaranteed. Safety not guaranteed, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

The guy who made that Colin Trevorrow, they gave him a bunch of money, and like he made like a Jurassic World movie, and and like he's just like because that that movie's great, right? But but everything he's done since then is just like meh, this is this is not interested in anything.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

That's what happens with a lot of those directors. Yeah. Like uh didn't uh Chloe Zhao Dumb Marvel movie and what did she do before that? Uh no man, yeah. Yeah, and and who's gonna say uh take your 200 million dollars and shove it up your ass, sir. Right, exactly. I'll take 750 grand, please. Yeah. Like who's gonna say that, you know? Right, right, right. So I've seen I've seen money ruin creativity.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Yeah, yeah. But sometimes, you know, sometimes people do can do really good things with money too.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Look what Fincher did. Yeah. Look what uh Christopher Nolan did with the Batman stuff. Yeah, exactly. You know, sometimes they give you a bunch of money and you do a dumb like franchise thing and it and it's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

So I don't know. I mean, it could go badly, but I don't care. I'll go see the next Curry Barker movie. I guarantee you, obviously. It's gonna be I'm very excited. Yeah, I will too.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

All right, so

Obsession Review

SPEAKER_02 34:59

can. Do I have to ask? No, I don't believe you do. Is it a past Pyra Pay for obsession? Yeah, me too. So damn cool. What about the way she moved? Really creepy. Do you know they hired a dancer to do that? I did hear that, yeah. Yeah, it was a it was a double who did all the creepy movements, like interpretive weirdo dance. Oh man. And they ramped the speed and slowed it down so it was all creepy. So good.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Uh the the the great scene where Bear's on the phone with the we uh one wish willow customer. I love that. And the customer.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

That's when you realize that he's taken away her autonomy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

So he's on the phone with this this this like could not be less fuck-giving customer service guy, right? Whereas is like the guy's like, so yeah, you got a problem with the with the willow? Whatever. Um, and you know, so he's talking about it, and then at one point the guy asks, he's like, Would you like to talk to Nikki? And it's like, what do you mean? You want to talk to her? Huh? And then and then like they put like Nikki trapped inside the body on the phone, and she's just screaming her head off like in pain and terror.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

It's like, oh shit. Yeah, that was that was that there were so many cool scenes in it. Yep. So and yeah, and like I like you said, going between comedy and and horror, like, like pretty effortlessly. Yeah. You know? Yeah, within this, like you said, within five times within the same scene. Yeah, that party scene, that was that was where it went from funny to oh fuck, like like three or four different times. Oh yeah, so good. All right, cool. Well, I don't have any plans for next week, but I will pretty soon. Alright, we'll figure it out. Okay. All right, well, see you all next time. All right, see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

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