{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":0.01,"endTime":6.55,"body":"Welcome to RPG Blokes, where old-school gamers and new adventurers come together at the same table."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":6.83,"endTime":11.869,"body":"Today we're going to be talking about dice superstitions, and they say fortune"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":11.869,"endTime":16.27,"body":"favours the brave, but in tabletop RPGs it often favours the dice."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":16.47,"endTime":22.23,"body":"So we're diving into the weird, wonderful, downright bizarre world of dice superstitions."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":37.65,"endTime":40.79,"body":"okay introducing the rpg blokes and my"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":40.79,"endTime":46.79,"body":"name is mark i'm your host today i'm going to start with steven he takes his"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":46.79,"endTime":51.47,"body":"dice very seriously no dice will be used unless they're passed a vigorous test"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":51.47,"endTime":56.47,"body":"each requiring at least a thousand rolls in real world conditions and he is"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":56.47,"endTime":58.53,"body":"seeking manufacturing in imperfections."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":59.05,"endTime":62.41,"body":"I suppose I could have just cut that short and just said he's a fucking cheat."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":63.41,"endTime":64.27,"body":"You could have done."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":64.349,"endTime":66.19,"body":"But it wouldn't be true. Scientific."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":67.67,"endTime":72.19,"body":"Okay, Barry, the dice goblin, hooked on dice like a crackhead on coke."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":73.01,"endTime":73.45,"body":"Close."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":74.27,"endTime":77.37,"body":"Close, but? Which is your drug of preference then?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":78.31,"endTime":79.59,"body":"I'm not going to say that on air."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":81.349,"endTime":86.39,"body":"John, the dice specialist amongst us, and treats his dice like he would a fine lady."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":87.16,"endTime":91.06,"body":"He caresses them. He provides them comfort in his black leather bag."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":93.14,"endTime":93.58,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":93.94,"endTime":96.84,"body":"Takes them out with pride before having a bit of roly-poly."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":97.68,"endTime":99.16,"body":"We're still talking about dice, aren't we?"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":99.7,"endTime":100.44,"body":"It's all fair."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":101.92,"endTime":105.98,"body":"I can't see any kind of denial on his face in any way, shape, or fault."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":106.18,"endTime":106.44,"body":"Smile."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":107.72,"endTime":112.4,"body":"So I'm going to interrogate John a little bit here because he was well ahead"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":112.4,"endTime":115.48,"body":"of the rest of us on this. The no-touch rule."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":116.68,"endTime":117.64,"body":"You had."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":117.64,"endTime":122.16,"body":"A very very stringent kind of almost aggressive violence."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":122.16,"endTime":129.08,"body":"I had a particular set of dice if i needed that on a percentile if i needed"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":129.08,"endTime":133.44,"body":"one particular number i rolled it i was looking at you and told you i'd made"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":133.44,"endTime":139.16,"body":"it i'd made it i could feel it it was weird that was that one particular set so."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":139.16,"endTime":141.34,"body":"The touching of the dice by anybody other than you."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":141.34,"endTime":143.32,"body":"All more dice now are open to they."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":143.32,"endTime":145.36,"body":"Are now but what so what's changed why have you."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":145.36,"endTime":146.76,"body":"Is it because i lost that set."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":147.28,"endTime":148.84,"body":"It was just that sir."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":148.84,"endTime":151.08,"body":"It's not because you've grown as a person."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":151.08,"endTime":154.139,"body":"Oh hell no have you met me it was."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":154.139,"endTime":157.699,"body":"Quite excessive i thought at the time you were very very serious about it okay"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":157.699,"endTime":159.9,"body":"so there's some sense of spirituality with."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":159.9,"endTime":165.28,"body":"If you can feel the damn things then yeah i would say so but i've not had that since yeah."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":165.28,"endTime":169.46,"body":"I remember those nice house wanted to say yeah i remember in fear,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":169.56,"endTime":170.699,"body":"just in case one rolled near me."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":172.74,"endTime":174.44,"body":"It was fucking extreme, mate."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":174.56,"endTime":177.419,"body":"People keep talking about stuff I did when I was younger and I don't remember"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":177.419,"endTime":182.16,"body":"shit, which is really weird because I wasn't a druggie or nothing. I should know this."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":182.56,"endTime":183.199,"body":"I was going to give you dice."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":183.24,"endTime":184.4,"body":"No, no, I won't give you dice back."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":184.5,"endTime":188.56,"body":"How about the pre-roll test? Barry, even you have got to be gooey of this."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":188.68,"endTime":191.14,"body":"Just making, before you know you've got a big roll coming up,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":191.24,"endTime":195.56,"body":"just casually rolling your dice a couple of times before your turn comes around."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":195.56,"endTime":198.86,"body":"I wouldn't say I'd do it just before a big roll's coming up,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":198.98,"endTime":202.38,"body":"but even when it's not my turn, I have sort of got my dice in my hand,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":202.56,"endTime":206.46,"body":"one of them probably, and I'm sort of dropping it in, but no, not really."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":206.62,"endTime":210.08,"body":"You're not registering the score, and you haven't analysed what's happening there?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":211.3,"endTime":214.22,"body":"Mark, have you ever known me to analyse anything?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":215.18,"endTime":219.68,"body":"Let me analyse it for you. What you're doing is you're testing the dice."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":219.92,"endTime":222.88,"body":"And even subconsciously, you're registering what the scores are."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":223.02,"endTime":226.1,"body":"And you're stopping at a certain point and then waiting for your turn."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":226.46,"endTime":228.9,"body":"That's what's happening. So you are in fact..."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":228.9,"endTime":232.56,"body":"Wait, it sounds to me, I just want to check off. It sounds to me like you're"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":232.56,"endTime":235.02,"body":"implying that you can somehow warm a dice up."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":235.3,"endTime":236.12,"body":"Yes, you can."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":237.24,"endTime":240.24,"body":"Just, I... Oh, for the love of God."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":240.24,"endTime":242.98,"body":"No, it's a serious thing. It's called a warm-up."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":243.04,"endTime":244.78,"body":"It's a serious thing."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":245.24,"endTime":250.4,"body":"And you charge them for the roll. So you wake them up by charging them in that manner."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":250.44,"endTime":255.8,"body":"And if you get a series of bad rolls, then you know statistically the next roll is likely to be good."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":256.26,"endTime":260.66,"body":"Also, that's not how statistics and probability work. The dice doesn't have memory."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":261.22,"endTime":264.68,"body":"I've got to say, your oldest is the absolute worst for that."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":265.3,"endTime":269.38,"body":"Hang them out for about half a dozen times before and to get them going."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":269.38,"endTime":271.18,"body":"It works. He wouldn't do it unless it works."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":273.06,"endTime":276.54,"body":"Much as I would love to say it does, but do you do it."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":276.58,"endTime":276.76,"body":"Mark?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":276.96,"endTime":278.5,"body":"Yeah, I do. I do all of these things."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":278.54,"endTime":279.52,"body":"Well, then it doesn't work."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":281.46,"endTime":284.72,"body":"Imagine what my dice rolls would be like if I didn't do it. Well,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":284.72,"endTime":286.48,"body":"you don't do it, Stephen, you wouldn't touch that."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":286.839,"endTime":289.64,"body":"Well, I think you can waste a roll, if I'm honest."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":290.42,"endTime":294.32,"body":"Stephen's kind of agreeing with me, but I don't know how. I'm still able to"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":294.32,"endTime":296.24,"body":"disagree with him. I don't get it."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":297.46,"endTime":300.399,"body":"The roll is pretty much predetermined. what you're going to roll and I don't"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":300.399,"endTime":303.839,"body":"want to waste a zero one by warming it up because then the dice would go in"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":303.839,"endTime":305.48,"body":"the dice jar for letting me down yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":305.48,"endTime":309.56,"body":"Because those dice on your hand the next time you roll those dice the result is predetermined."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":310.49,"endTime":315.45,"body":"What if someone else touches him? Go on, go on. You can touch my dice, it's fine."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":316.01,"endTime":319.77,"body":"So that's, how do you deal with that? I mean, you're not suggesting that you"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":319.77,"endTime":324.31,"body":"can think differently, behave differently and change the outcome of that predetermined"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":324.31,"endTime":326.23,"body":"role. You believe that role is predetermined."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":326.31,"endTime":328.97,"body":"The next role you're rolling is the role you're rolling and if you waste it."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":329.37,"endTime":332.63,"body":"So you can't actually disagree with that. He's just wasted a very good role."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":333.19,"endTime":338.01,"body":"That much is true, right? If he's rolled his dice too early, if he's, if he's."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":338.25,"endTime":342.21,"body":"That's only true if you believe that each dice roll is predetermined."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":342.33,"endTime":346.11,"body":"And from like a philosophical standpoint, that just, that can't,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":346.23,"endTime":350.51,"body":"and from a mathematical standpoint, it just isn't true. They don't have a memory."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":350.649,"endTime":353.35,"body":"Well, the next time you roll a dice, you're going to roll it in exactly the"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":353.35,"endTime":355.91,"body":"same way as you were going to roll it because it's the next time you rolled the dice."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":356.089,"endTime":364.73,"body":"Counter that with actual maths. In first edition DMG, they actually did a graph"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":364.73,"endTime":369.43,"body":"of randomly rolled dice and it came out as a bell curve."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":369.89,"endTime":373.17,"body":"So the probabilist, it should have been flat across the board,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":373.31,"endTime":379.45,"body":"like you're saying, but it actually came out that the middle somehow was more"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":379.45,"endTime":380.99,"body":"probable than either end."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":381.09,"endTime":383.45,"body":"Then the sample was too small."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":383.61,"endTime":384.53,"body":"Or they were rolling two dice."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":384.55,"endTime":387.69,"body":"It was at least a hundred. Okay. Do you know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":387.73,"endTime":393.67,"body":"If you rolled it a million times, all of those little bell curves that do happen,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":393.79,"endTime":398.09,"body":"that are statistical anomalies, when you stretch out over enough rolls, will look flat."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":398.09,"endTime":402.61,"body":"And especially for, well, how many years you guys have been playing,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":403.13,"endTime":408.19,"body":"I would expect the line of your dice, except for you, Mark, to look pretty flat."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":409.31,"endTime":413.47,"body":"But, Adam, your argument doesn't hold water now. I think I've found a flaw in"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":413.47,"endTime":416.93,"body":"your thinking, because you believe that the dice is not predetermined."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":417.05,"endTime":421.75,"body":"So you're saying that there's no way that you can roll the dice one second,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":421.97,"endTime":426.15,"body":"wait a second, and it would be the same roll. You're saying there was no predetermined."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":426.19,"endTime":426.61,"body":"No, I'm not."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":426.61,"endTime":427.19,"body":"You're saying it's going to"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":427.19,"endTime":429.55,"body":"be a different roll, in fact. If you wait a second, is what you're saying."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":429.75,"endTime":430.03,"body":"Well, no, I'm saying..."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":430.03,"endTime":431.79,"body":"Every second you wait, in fact, it's a different role."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":431.89,"endTime":432.95,"body":"That's what Barry says."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":433.19,"endTime":438.97,"body":"I'm saying that we don't know what it's going to be, which is the point of it, gentlemen."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":439.15,"endTime":440.23,"body":"You don't, but that's why you should wait."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":440.25,"endTime":444.11,"body":"Like, literally, the whole point of rolling dice in our game is that we don't"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":444.11,"endTime":445.15,"body":"know what we're going to roll."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":445.19,"endTime":446.83,"body":"But it was always going to be what it was."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":446.83,"endTime":447.41,"body":"No, not necessarily."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":447.63,"endTime":448.61,"body":"Well, in which case, why?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":448.81,"endTime":452.41,"body":"No, because now, honestly, now you're getting into..."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":452.41,"endTime":453.17,"body":"I think I've opened up a can of worms."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":453.21,"endTime":457.19,"body":"We really have. Throughout my life, people, the way that D\u0026D is portrayed,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":457.19,"endTime":463.85,"body":"it's like these kind of slightly weird unhinged and now and now now after all"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":463.85,"endTime":468.15,"body":"these years i'm finally thinking oh there there might be something to that we've."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":468.15,"endTime":468.75,"body":"Worn you down."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":468.75,"endTime":472.89,"body":"It's not it's not too late to get out i suppose so we're not going to convince"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":472.89,"endTime":476.83,"body":"barry that any of this really matters at all but as far as playing role-playing"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":476.83,"endTime":481.17,"body":"games is concerned it's quite a big aspect of the the psychology of playing it."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":481.17,"endTime":485.15,"body":"When i was reffing dragon warriors there's a particular orange d20 i've got,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":485.86,"endTime":489.86,"body":"They came up with this whole mythology about it."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":490.04,"endTime":494.16,"body":"So much so that I could just place it there."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":495.02,"endTime":496.02,"body":"And intimidate them."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":497.28,"endTime":503.92,"body":"I never started that. Nothing. But it came up organically, unless they heard it from you guys."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":504.54,"endTime":506.66,"body":"We just said, don't touch his dice, is what we said."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":506.86,"endTime":509.56,"body":"It's in the human psyche, isn't it? I think it's a natural thing."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":509.56,"endTime":513.7,"body":"Okay, so we've come from a race of people that, you know, they used to throw"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":513.7,"endTime":515.6,"body":"knuckle bones to predict the future."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":515.86,"endTime":521.7,"body":"the cards with pictures on them watching this it's maybe it's a hardwired dna"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":521.7,"endTime":523.86,"body":"thing or you know need to believe."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":523.86,"endTime":526.78,"body":"Listen if you guys get"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":526.78,"endTime":529.58,"body":"some joy out of believing that"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":529.58,"endTime":532.22,"body":"your dice have betrayed you then i'm not going"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":532.22,"endTime":535.0,"body":"to take that away from you but i think you're all"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":535.0,"endTime":537.799,"body":"really fucking weird because it's just"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":537.799,"endTime":541.6,"body":"like it's just probabilities and you"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":541.6,"endTime":544.78,"body":"know for dice rolls badly for like what seems like weeks"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":544.78,"endTime":549.82,"body":"it's just a statistical anomaly and it will come good again like i never ever"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":549.82,"endTime":552.96,"body":"ever change my dice i don't have any dice superstitions i don't particularly"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":552.96,"endTime":556.02,"body":"have favorite dice i have dice that i like more because of their aesthetics"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":556.02,"endTime":563.22,"body":"but they all roll by and large random yeah but you know you're all you're all nutters well it's going."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":563.22,"endTime":566.88,"body":"Badly sometimes and we're all looking at you and we're saying for christ's sake"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":566.88,"endTime":569.44,"body":"change the diet it's like a moth to a flame."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":569.44,"endTime":573.559,"body":"I don't have to change my behaviour to modify your fucking beliefs."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":573.72,"endTime":574.52,"body":"But you might roll better."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":574.76,"endTime":576.4,"body":"He does enjoy being in the minority."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":576.62,"endTime":581.92,"body":"Doesn't he? Like, I don't know if I am in the minority."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":582.22,"endTime":585.44,"body":"Like, I think it's a fairly even split between people. Like,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":585.5,"endTime":588.34,"body":"don't get me wrong, alright? Okay, so now if I see a magpie on its own,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":588.38,"endTime":589.62,"body":"I will salute that magpie."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":589.82,"endTime":592.1,"body":"or say, you know, good morning, Mr. Magpie, where's your wife?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":592.179,"endTime":594.84,"body":"And now I don't do that because I believe it's bad luck not to."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":595.02,"endTime":597.64,"body":"I do it because I think it's quite good fun to do."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":597.98,"endTime":601.66,"body":"Like I don't, if I miss one, I don't think all that's me done for God knows"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":601.66,"endTime":603.0,"body":"how many years of bad luck."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":603.34,"endTime":607.179,"body":"Yeah, well, it's the same thing. You are, that is the path to superstition."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":607.28,"endTime":611.08,"body":"No, no, but it's not, and this is exactly what I'm saying. If you guys enjoy"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":611.08,"endTime":612.559,"body":"being superstitious about it,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":612.92,"endTime":617.28,"body":"fill your boots, but don't pretend there is some kind of fucking spiritual dice"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":617.28,"endTime":624.46,"body":"god and that piece of acrylic or plastic has somehow betrayed you because that's the way to the cult."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":624.76,"endTime":628.0,"body":"I don't think there's anything enjoyable about being serious about it."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":628.179,"endTime":630.0,"body":"So why would you put yourself through that?"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":630.0,"endTime":631.0,"body":"Because we have to, Barry."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":631.44,"endTime":634.86,"body":"No, you don't. You're making a choice. The choice that I've made for myself"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":634.86,"endTime":637.26,"body":"is to put myself through the whims of probability."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":637.26,"endTime":641.6,"body":"Now, I like a bet on the horses and, you know, I've been known to frequent a casino."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":641.6,"endTime":647.559,"body":"No, and listen, the only thing that's come close to making me believe that not"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":647.559,"endTime":651.559,"body":"necessarily that dice are statistically unlucky, that people are,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":651.64,"endTime":653.72,"body":"is watching you roll dice, Mark."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":654.28,"endTime":657.34,"body":"Because you have the shockingly worst rolls."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":657.679,"endTime":661.44,"body":"And again, the argument I'm making is you keep changing your dice."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":661.66,"endTime":663.0,"body":"Things ain't got any better for you."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":663.4,"endTime":664.559,"body":"I have just recently, I think."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":664.64,"endTime":666.94,"body":"Oh, you've got one or two sessions. Whoop-de-doo."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":668.52,"endTime":671.5,"body":"It takes a time to get out of the rut. You've got to find the right set."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":671.6,"endTime":674.94,"body":"But I'm curious, I think you might have been in the rut for as long as I've"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":674.94,"endTime":675.92,"body":"known you, which is what, five."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":676.04,"endTime":680.02,"body":"Six years? Yeah, so that's not statistically possible, is it?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":680.04,"endTime":681.96,"body":"That's an anomaly. How do you explain it?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":682.29,"endTime":685.23,"body":"You need to go for a thousand years for it to even out i've"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":685.23,"endTime":688.11,"body":"i've i am i do find myself like kind of amazed that"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":688.11,"endTime":691.13,"body":"um one of the billion kind of"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":691.13,"endTime":695.91,"body":"online gambling websites hasn't come up with a gambling game based on like the"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":695.91,"endTime":701.41,"body":"traditional seven piece dnd dice set you know and especially now that gambling"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":701.41,"endTime":707.19,"body":"is so much online slot machines and poker stupid variants of poker etc etc i'm"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":707.19,"endTime":708.17,"body":"a mate I've never seen one."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":708.549,"endTime":712.47,"body":"Well, yeah, I say about monetizing, I'm sure somebody probably offered the service"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":712.47,"endTime":714.89,"body":"to cleanse your dice, someone like that, like a spiritualist."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":715.25,"endTime":717.73,"body":"It must be someone that does that. They said they could take your dice,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":717.85,"endTime":722.01,"body":"post them to them, or they come around your house, and then they say a bit. It must be."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":722.09,"endTime":726.77,"body":"It absolutely must be. Honestly, honestly, if any, I'll do that for anyone. That's no problem."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":726.85,"endTime":727.79,"body":"Yeah, but what's quite a patience?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":728.59,"endTime":733.09,"body":"How would you cleanse their dice? Just out of interest. Tell us how it would happen. I might use you."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":733.19,"endTime":735.85,"body":"So what I would do is take their money, do nothing to their dice,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":735.91,"endTime":738.97,"body":"and send them back, Because I'm just assuming these people are gullible enough."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":739.21,"endTime":739.73,"body":"Tell us how much."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":740.99,"endTime":744.27,"body":"But once they come back, it's about psychology, isn't it? We would think your"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":744.27,"endTime":745.809,"body":"dice are better, so they might well be."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":746.309,"endTime":750.57,"body":"So if a dice consistently rolls poorly, some players believe it has betrayed them."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":751.63,"endTime":755.89,"body":"And they will put it in a dice jail, which is a separate container or box to"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":755.89,"endTime":759.29,"body":"punish it, and then swap it out with another dice."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":759.809,"endTime":762.37,"body":"Has anyone ever been guilty of doing that? I mean, we've all seen..."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":762.37,"endTime":765.85,"body":"John has. So what form does your dice jail take?"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":765.85,"endTime":770.63,"body":"So it was actually one of these rando prezzies that I got one year, um,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":772.29,"endTime":778.47,"body":"And it's just a little wooden chair and a little dunce cap, if people remember"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":778.47,"endTime":780.65,"body":"the old comics where they're allowed to do those."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":781.51,"endTime":784.61,"body":"It's just that. It was done by Lynx, I think."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":784.79,"endTime":786.57,"body":"It looks like it carries a cap. You didn't make the cap yourself."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":786.97,"endTime":789.71,"body":"No, no, no. You bought it. Didn't even have to shrink one of my old ones or"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":789.71,"endTime":791.15,"body":"nothing, just came with."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":791.87,"endTime":795.41,"body":"I've used it once or twice, but as it's about the same size as my."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":795.49,"endTime":801.01,"body":"And so to get into the mentality of somebody who uses a dice jowl, what the fuck?"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":802.29,"endTime":803.79,"body":"No, no, and fair, fair, fair."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":803.79,"endTime":805.83,"body":"Honestly, it's journalism at his best."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":808.13,"endTime":811.43,"body":"No, I've used it like three times because I got given it."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":812.45,"endTime":816.65,"body":"But yeah, if something's consistently rolling iffy, I know it's nonsense,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":816.65,"endTime":819.51,"body":"but I will put it back in the bag and use another one."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":819.65,"endTime":819.85,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":820.23,"endTime":820.71,"body":"Disappointment."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":821.07,"endTime":822.97,"body":"Would you ever entertain using such a thing?"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":823.45,"endTime":826.33,"body":"Well, no. Well, certainly you get annoyed with dice."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":826.69,"endTime":830.85,"body":"Unless you get a cool one. But the jail itself sounds a bit of a marketing ploy,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":830.95,"endTime":834.25,"body":"if I'm perfectly honest. because you can just chuck your dice across the room,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":834.35,"endTime":837.19,"body":"potentially, or even stick it back in your bag and never see it again."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":837.29,"endTime":839.79,"body":"That's what I tend to do, yeah, when dice."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":839.79,"endTime":840.79,"body":"But that is a jail, you know."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":840.91,"endTime":843.81,"body":"Yeah, technically, you're right, but, you know, it's free."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":843.99,"endTime":846.81,"body":"I mean, you're being a bit highbrow about it. You're putting it into a dice jail."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":846.89,"endTime":849.81,"body":"Yeah, technically, I suppose, in the spirit of things, it's a dice jail,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":849.95,"endTime":852.69,"body":"but I didn't pay for it. I just chucked it back in my bag."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":852.83,"endTime":856.17,"body":"See, it's not been commercialized. Your tendency to be weird with your dice"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":856.17,"endTime":858.47,"body":"has not. I just found a way to make money out of it, yeah."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":858.59,"endTime":861.33,"body":"Yeah, I like to keep it quite private with my weirdness with a dice."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":861.33,"endTime":863.23,"body":"but yeah I do get annoyed with dice if."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":863.23,"endTime":868.53,"body":"A die rolls consistently bad would you get rid of it would you destroy it hit"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":868.53,"endTime":870.73,"body":"it with a sledgehammer burn it or or."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":870.73,"endTime":872.93,"body":"Just banish it for."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":872.93,"endTime":873.97,"body":"Good yeah is that."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":873.97,"endTime":878.21,"body":"No well I'll be tempted to for sure it's a dice after all I've spent money on"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":878.21,"endTime":881.21,"body":"so I'd probably keep it and then to put it to the back and then probably about"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":881.21,"endTime":884.25,"body":"a month's time I've forgotten completely it's rolled badly and I'll try again"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":884.25,"endTime":887.23,"body":"then realize what's happened I'm using that dice again and then,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":887.83,"endTime":890.01,"body":"the cycle would repeat i don't think i'd destroy it."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":890.01,"endTime":892.69,"body":"Well no wait hold on i have a question so what would happen if you"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":892.69,"endTime":896.29,"body":"put that dice away for a month pulled it out again and you'd"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":896.29,"endTime":899.31,"body":"forgotten it was rolling badly and it just started rolling kind"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":899.31,"endTime":905.95,"body":"of well i wouldn't remember well then that doesn't happen do you know what of"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":905.95,"endTime":910.63,"body":"all the stuff we've discussed i really really really didn't like see this as"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":910.63,"endTime":914.99,"body":"being the most contentious but it's more random i don't even remember it was"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":914.99,"endTime":918.53,"body":"bad again oh yes that's why i didn't use that if you believe what."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":918.53,"endTime":921.01,"body":"We believe that thing that doesn't happen it."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":921.01,"endTime":923.99,"body":"Just doesn't happen it's always bad like"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":923.99,"endTime":927.01,"body":"i think if you have a positive mental attitude you are more likely"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":927.01,"endTime":929.73,"body":"to remember your successes than your failures well but"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":929.73,"endTime":932.69,"body":"you know and i've talked about this in the past one of the reasons i think that i don't sweat"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":932.69,"endTime":936.03,"body":"about dice superstition is because"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":936.03,"endTime":939.29,"body":"i'm i quite enjoy a bit of failure within"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":939.29,"endTime":947.25,"body":"game um the the the some of the most significantly shit dice rolls that i've"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":947.25,"endTime":952.95,"body":"had have actually led on sometimes to two or three really epic sessions of role"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":952.95,"endTime":958.23,"body":"play because you're you're you're role playing getting yourself out of a terrible situation so."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":958.23,"endTime":962.25,"body":"The thought of having dice to really try and negate that at all times."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":962.25,"endTime":965.39,"body":"It's not really crossing your mind that's a that's a that's a really important"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":965.39,"endTime":969.93,"body":"part of the game for me the things going wrong you know it's it you know you're"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":969.93,"endTime":973.61,"body":"telling a story in a you know it would It would be an incredibly boring story"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":973.61,"endTime":975.83,"body":"if our adventurers walked out of their front door,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":976.39,"endTime":980.53,"body":"faced no adversity along the way, succeeded in absolutely everything they tried"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":980.53,"endTime":981.75,"body":"to accomplish, and then..."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":982.45,"endTime":985.75,"body":"But sometimes it's more fun when it goes wrong for someone else."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":988.39,"endTime":991.63,"body":"Your dice is good, there's a crap, so great. It's fun to watch."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":992.81,"endTime":996.21,"body":"So none of us are obsessed, apart from John in the past was."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":997.57,"endTime":1001.37,"body":"You would quite freely lend each other your dice and not feel that."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1001.41,"endTime":1007.45,"body":"To be clear, if I found that set again, that's it, no one's touching them. Not done it since."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1007.51,"endTime":1009.53,"body":"I'd be fascinated to know where they've been all this time."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1009.91,"endTime":1011.27,"body":"And I'd be."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1011.27,"endTime":1012.19,"body":"Faster than on a train."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1012.45,"endTime":1015.81,"body":"I'd be fascinated to know how many other people have touched them in the interim."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1018.09,"endTime":1023.43,"body":"They're working in some sort of sweatshop somewhere. Some dirty casino have gone."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1024.59,"endTime":1028.81,"body":"I think they've been liberated. Somebody saw the dice abuse."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1030.19,"endTime":1031.45,"body":"They're sunning it up somewhere."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1031.71,"endTime":1033.75,"body":"Legium answers for freedom. No."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1034.849,"endTime":1037.75,"body":"Yeah, they're cursed. Some players are just cursed. And I think you'd already"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1037.75,"endTime":1039.19,"body":"described me as being that."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1039.27,"endTime":1042.43,"body":"And I do feel sometimes I go through periods of time where there is a curse"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1042.43,"endTime":1046.109,"body":"on me and I can't make a decent role to save my life, my character's life."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1046.25,"endTime":1049.25,"body":"There's a name for it. Wheaton. Will Wheaton."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1049.45,"endTime":1050.03,"body":"Yeah, okay."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1050.03,"endTime":1052.45,"body":"It's the Will Wheaton condition or something. Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1052.71,"endTime":1055.99,"body":"Yeah. It does happen. Has anyone else ever been in that zone?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1056.09,"endTime":1058.47,"body":"Have you ever felt that for a prolonged period? Yeah."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1058.849,"endTime":1063.57,"body":"When I'm reffing Shadowrun, especially, you're supposed to put a challenge there"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1063.57,"endTime":1067.33,"body":"for the players, but you can't do that if you're just whiffing every single damn time."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1067.99,"endTime":1070.71,"body":"That's why some DMs roll behind the screen so they can..."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1070.71,"endTime":1073.21,"body":"I'm playing it online, so I've got the trade down. Technically,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1073.21,"endTime":1077.93,"body":"I could. But no, I think they'd just hear me swear and they'd figure it out."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1079.01,"endTime":1082.21,"body":"Yeah, and I think Barry's touched on this already. And the idea of rolling behind"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1082.21,"endTime":1085.39,"body":"a screen for me as a DM, that takes the enjoyment away from me because I do"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1085.39,"endTime":1087.69,"body":"like the randomness that dice present to the game."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1088.81,"endTime":1091.09,"body":"And taking the odd little advantage from a..."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1091.51,"endTime":1095.13,"body":"Maybe a manufactured D20 that's doing your assignments."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1095.83,"endTime":1099.23,"body":"Yeah. I cherish it. That's about as far as I would go. There are some people"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1099.23,"endTime":1103.77,"body":"that have brought loaded dice to the table. And, uh, so I."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1104.75,"endTime":1109.69,"body":"I saw a video on social media recently of a woman that sells loaded dice,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1109.79,"endTime":1111.83,"body":"but she talks about them quite, it was quite interesting."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1111.97,"endTime":1114.97,"body":"She says, yes, this, because of the way the numbers are set on the dice and"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1114.97,"endTime":1118.27,"body":"even a loaded dice won't like, if you have a loaded dice, it won't roll us."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1118.55,"endTime":1121.57,"body":"If let's keep it simple, the D6, because it won't roll a six every time."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1121.97,"endTime":1125.03,"body":"It's still random enough that it will nearly, do you know what I mean?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1125.39,"endTime":1127.31,"body":"And so she's, because of the numbers that are around the 20,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1127.49,"endTime":1131.57,"body":"yeah, it will roll a lot of 20s, but it'll also roll a lot of three and fours"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1131.57,"endTime":1135.39,"body":"because they're kind of whatever numbers they were because they're like adjacent to the 20."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1135.77,"endTime":1137.93,"body":"But that is cheating at the highest level."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1138.09,"endTime":1140.13,"body":"Isn't it? Of course it is. If you've designed it as that, but if it's just a"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1140.13,"endTime":1140.99,"body":"manufacturing default."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1141.23,"endTime":1145.77,"body":"Then it just, oh. We are going to keep circling back to the fact that it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1145.77,"endTime":1148.91,"body":"intended to be dodgy means it isn't dodgy."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1148.91,"endTime":1152.369,"body":"Well, if you've bought the dice in good faith, then all it does is roll a lot of 20s."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1152.47,"endTime":1156.31,"body":"So I suppose the question would be is, are you continuing to use it in good faith?"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1156.95,"endTime":1160.17,"body":"Well, luckily enough, the D2 and I had rolls low, so it was great for Dragon"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1160.17,"endTime":1161.81,"body":"Warriors and stuff, but rubbish for D2."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1161.83,"endTime":1164.69,"body":"Well, no, and that's an interesting thing as well, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1164.75,"endTime":1169.65,"body":"Because it's like, I do tease Mark about his dice rolls, but I do firmly believe"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1169.65,"endTime":1174.07,"body":"that it's just, like I said, if you roll enough, you will have peaks and troughs,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1174.13,"endTime":1176.15,"body":"and when you stretch it out long enough, it'll look linear."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1176.15,"endTime":1181.369,"body":"but we changed systems recently where the objective was suddenly to roll lower"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1181.369,"endTime":1184.65,"body":"and somehow it was still shit."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1185.57,"endTime":1186.81,"body":"Well, he's cursed."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1187.07,"endTime":1190.47,"body":"That is the curse. You can see a curse player there before your very eyes."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1190.65,"endTime":1193.73,"body":"The longer you play, the more we're going to wear you down on this or the dice"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1193.73,"endTime":1195.59,"body":"will wear you down. The game will wear you down."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1195.65,"endTime":1199.349,"body":"I don't think you know me as well as you think you do. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1199.349,"endTime":1203.17,"body":"We all pay homage to it to some extent. And I think somebody that doesn't do"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1203.17,"endTime":1206.95,"body":"that at all is probably not. Yeah. It's a bit. Yeah. weird call that's weird."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1206.95,"endTime":1215.19,"body":"One slight thing there are people producing uh deliberately um other dice um"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1215.58,"endTime":1223.38,"body":"to reflect a mechanism so there's one that they do a d20 but it like 0 to 19 and it's meant for when,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1224.14,"endTime":1227.5,"body":"people are cursed or something like that so technically in"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1227.5,"endTime":1230.64,"body":"certain systems like dnd you can't actually roll"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1230.64,"endTime":1233.48,"body":"the natural 20 ever while you're under"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1233.48,"endTime":1236.42,"body":"the effect of that uh so at the"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1236.42,"endTime":1239.08,"body":"moment uh fifth edition does like a roll with"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1239.08,"endTime":1245.04,"body":"disadvantage which is almost as bad but you can still break it by getting that"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1245.04,"endTime":1250.26,"body":"but it's worth looking around for jinky dice as long as people know why you're"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1250.26,"endTime":1255.92,"body":"using them and when not just slip them into the mix that's wrong but yeah keep"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1255.92,"endTime":1257.4,"body":"an eye out for those weird little buggers."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1257.4,"endTime":1262.0,"body":"Dice are just lovely objects they just are rattling your hands they rat when"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1262.0,"endTime":1265.14,"body":"you throw them you get you know there are people out there making really gorgeous"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1265.14,"endTime":1268.94,"body":"ones but some of the ones that you can get for two pound 99 are lovely in their"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1268.94,"endTime":1272.359,"body":"own way as well it's one of the joys of the yeah they absolutely are yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1272.359,"endTime":1275.14,"body":"So enjoy them in whichever way you like really and some."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1275.14,"endTime":1276.099,"body":"Are better than others yeah."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1276.099,"endTime":1278.08,"body":"But you gain enjoyment from."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1278.08,"endTime":1281.4,"body":"Watching everybody else sort of panic or or worry about what their dice are doing."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1281.4,"endTime":1284.18,"body":"I do find it mildly amusing when people are"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1284.18,"endTime":1288.66,"body":"like like i'm swapping dice especially especially when like the second they're"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1288.66,"endTime":1291.58,"body":"like this dice is shit and now it turns out that the dice they've swapped it"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1291.58,"endTime":1296.14,"body":"for is shitter like that really makes me smile because i'm like you should roll"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1296.14,"endTime":1301.64,"body":"the other one see what happens oh look at that it's bigger it's just it doesn't you're."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1301.64,"endTime":1303.02,"body":"So stubborn honestly sometimes."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1303.02,"endTime":1308.119,"body":"We've seen you just hit a rut can't you just be wrong inside someone's going"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1308.119,"endTime":1311.06,"body":"somebody help him somebody take his dice away."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1311.06,"endTime":1312.04,"body":"And make sure it'll."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1312.04,"endTime":1314.32,"body":"Reach a disagreement on this dice yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1314.32,"endTime":1317.54,"body":"Yes we've reached the end of this because as you can see it's quite a passionate"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1317.54,"endTime":1321.94,"body":"subject and um as soon as you start to play you'll be embroiled in all of these"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1321.94,"endTime":1326.34,"body":"complexities let me tell you uh so steven you've I've got a quote."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1326.52,"endTime":1327.84,"body":"I bet you're not prepared, are you?"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1328.04,"endTime":1328.28,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1328.44,"endTime":1329.72,"body":"Okay. There we go."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1331.3,"endTime":1337.859,"body":"A rabbit's foot may bring luck, but it didn't work for the rabbit. So let's..."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1337.859,"endTime":1339.02,"body":"Slice and dice."}]}