{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":0.01,"endTime":5.27,"body":"Welcome to RPG Blokes. Today we're diving into something that adds a splash"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":5.27,"endTime":8.37,"body":"of colour to your games, quite literally, miniatures."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":22.85,"endTime":27.03,"body":"None of us are experts with a brush, although we love what minis add to a game."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":27.45,"endTime":31.45,"body":"So we've brought in some expertise, someone who can hopefully stop us gluing"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":31.45,"endTime":34.89,"body":"our fingers together and help us understand what we're meant to be doing with"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":34.89,"endTime":36.91,"body":"all that unpainted plastic lying around."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":38.01,"endTime":42.55,"body":"So, please welcome our very own miniature expert, Little Mark."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":43.13,"endTime":43.55,"body":"Hey!"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":43.87,"endTime":45.87,"body":"Hey! Hello! Yeah, hello."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":46.03,"endTime":47.85,"body":"Good evening, boys. Welcome to RPG Blokes, Mark."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":47.95,"endTime":48.95,"body":"Thank you very much. Thanks for having me."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":49.25,"endTime":49.39,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":49.53,"endTime":50.87,"body":"You are now the fifth beetle."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":52.49,"endTime":54.65,"body":"He didn't last long, didn't he, the fifth beetle? Oh, well."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":54.81,"endTime":58.35,"body":"I think he committed suicide at some point. but don't worry well brilliant."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":58.35,"endTime":60.07,"body":"I was on about him leaving the band."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":60.07,"endTime":65.47,"body":"So little mark is a fine example of what paint fumes and lead can do to your"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":65.47,"endTime":67.39,"body":"physical growth from the age of 12 well."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":67.39,"endTime":70.57,"body":"You've just triggered at least a million nerds."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":72.81,"endTime":77.19,"body":"Okay then um so what i do is going to break this down into three parts this"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":77.19,"endTime":81.23,"body":"podcast this interview of you mark and so we get to know more about you you"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":81.23,"endTime":82.39,"body":"know what you've done in the hobby,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":83.75,"endTime":87.65,"body":"and what you can tell us about figure painting and talk about your origin story"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":87.65,"endTime":95.17,"body":"tell us um how you got into painting collecting minis and kind of what what started it all off oh."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":95.17,"endTime":101.47,"body":"Yeah it's um so when i was what 14 13 14 i was a lost little soul and uh and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":101.47,"endTime":105.41,"body":"i wasn't really doing much in my life and i managed to go to a role play game"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":105.41,"endTime":107.03,"body":"which is where i bumped into you two,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":107.62,"endTime":110.36,"body":"mark and steve was amazing it was a chance to be it was"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":110.36,"endTime":113.32,"body":"a chance to get out of the doldrums that i was in quite a poor family so"},{"speaker":"Track 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painting figures right from the off though were you."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":160.24,"endTime":164.08,"body":"Yeah i was role-playing for a long time and then um it was you guys that kind"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":164.08,"endTime":166.58,"body":"of helped me picked myself up and stuff like that and i ended up getting a job"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":166.58,"endTime":169.94,"body":"for with a company called games workshop uh which i'm pretty sure our audience"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":169.94,"endTime":173.36,"body":"know about i worked for them for a good five years,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":173.88,"endTime":177.22,"body":"and then i got into painting models to a serious level and started to enter"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":177.22,"endTime":180.72,"body":"competitions and stuff like that and that's where it built from there really so."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":180.72,"endTime":184.16,"body":"What what now comes first for you do 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come"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":277.97,"endTime":280.83,"body":"a long way isn't it since then no yeah i suppose he did trust"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":280.83,"endTime":283.49,"body":"people that they wanted to stick things together because i"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":283.49,"endTime":286.39,"body":"remember our first one we got mark do you remember we bought the space marine"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":286.39,"endTime":289.85,"body":"set the early ones with the really pointy faces and they were i remember being"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":289.85,"endTime":292.75,"body":"a little bit confused when they come in all these sprues and stuff you had to"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":292.75,"endTime":296.25,"body":"take them all out and glue them all together i think that was my first confusion"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":296.25,"endTime":298.95,"body":"with them with a figure because we bought other figures didn't we that 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them i just kind of also know that i don't think"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":475.89,"endTime":481.27,"body":"that i would ever be able to paint one that i was ever truly happy with i like"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":481.27,"endTime":483.05,"body":"having them but i have no problem,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":484.14,"endTime":487.16,"body":"passing over the work to someone else."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":487.16,"endTime":489.82,"body":"But while we print them now 3d printing is a big thing in"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":489.82,"endTime":492.78,"body":"our society so you get exactly what you want but"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":492.78,"endTime":497.2,"body":"you know i we i'm just as happy to play a game and put the miniatures on the"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":497.2,"endTime":502.28,"body":"table unpainted i thought i i look at them more from just their practical use"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":502.28,"endTime":507.26,"body":"than i i don't get 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I just sort of like stick some white blobs in there now."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":711.69,"endTime":711.99,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":712.17,"endTime":712.73,"body":"That'll do."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":713.09,"endTime":713.41,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":713.91,"endTime":714.53,"body":"Not for you."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":714.91,"endTime":716.67,"body":"No, I have to do everything, yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":717.31,"endTime":718.91,"body":"John, you painted a lot."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":719.93,"endTime":725.99,"body":"Not in the slightest. I'm very intimidated by any artistic expression."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":726.21,"endTime":727.97,"body":"My stickmen are wonky."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":729.29,"endTime":732.69,"body":"I think I might be partially colourblind."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":733.03,"endTime":736.97,"body":"I keep trying to buy the missiest purple flowers and I've turned up with dark"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":736.97,"endTime":739.13,"body":"pink, funny coloured blues."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":741.27,"endTime":743.27,"body":"I'd love to see a figure that you painted there."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":746.07,"endTime":747.13,"body":"You can't do it."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":747.81,"endTime":750.61,"body":"He'll do it and he'll come back and it'll be like the mona lisa it'll be like"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":750.61,"endTime":752.43,"body":"the perfect model ever you know."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":752.43,"endTime":756.07,"body":"Just the wrong colors it'll be flawless and."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":756.07,"endTime":759.97,"body":"He'll have no nose yeah yeah that's right you can always file the nose off you"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":759.97,"endTime":763.73,"body":"know you can modify your so they look like your characters so steven what level"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":763.73,"endTime":765.39,"body":"of painting have you done there's anything you've done."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":765.39,"endTime":767.19,"body":"Level yeah level i suppose or."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":767.19,"endTime":768.71,"body":"Amount i suppose how many figures have you."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":768.71,"endTime":773.03,"body":"Painted in your life quite a few we when we first started playing when i was"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":773.03,"endTime":775.65,"body":"quite young we had gave it a good crack didn't we so So we used to sit at the"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":775.65,"endTime":779.63,"body":"kitchen table and get our lead figures out and just splash some paint. They were awful."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":779.87,"endTime":784.47,"body":"But then I guess I have bought games like Blood Bowl and I've recently,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":784.49,"endTime":787.67,"body":"I suppose, and painted again. 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on backwards i painted it all and i thought is it doesn't look right."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":811.14,"endTime":814.52,"body":"You're not going to win a golden demon with that then are you yeah."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":814.52,"endTime":818.88,"body":"I suppose i've done it steadily i think over my role-playing game career uh"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":818.88,"endTime":821.82,"body":"nothing too intense just now and again i dabbled."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":821.82,"endTime":826.74,"body":"So yeah moving on to just um giving people some advice on starting out so imagine"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":826.74,"endTime":831.02,"body":"if one of our listeners has just joined a group and and seeing other people"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":831.02,"endTime":835.92,"body":"with their minis for their characters and and wants to to do the same for themselves."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":835.92,"endTime":837.62,"body":"Just maybe."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":837.62,"endTime":842.02,"body":"Tell us how he would go about doing it from you know to come into the next session"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":842.02,"endTime":845.8,"body":"maybe a week's time he wants to come in with his figure painted out how is it"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":845.8,"endTime":846.72,"body":"how would he go about that."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":846.72,"endTime":849.86,"body":"It's like a being a builder you're as good as your tools if"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":849.86,"endTime":853.0,"body":"i had to pick anything you need to buy a decent thing of it'd be a brush this"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":853.0,"endTime":855.72,"body":"one truth be told yeah i make the brand i like to use is"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":855.72,"endTime":859.02,"body":"called winsor newton um they do brushes between size"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":859.02,"endTime":862.06,"body":"zero to size four and i"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":862.06,"endTime":865.28,"body":"paint 90 of my models with a size two brush because it's"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":865.28,"endTime":868.78,"body":"the tip of the brush that's the important bit the as"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":868.78,"endTime":872.06,"body":"long as you look after your brush i mean i've had the same brushes for years never"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":872.06,"endTime":874.8,"body":"get paint above the bristles of the brush never go to what's called"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":874.8,"endTime":877.78,"body":"the femal which is the metal bit because if the paint goes"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":877.78,"endTime":881.32,"body":"underneath the femal when paint dries it expands and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":881.32,"endTime":885.58,"body":"your paintbrush goes from nice and pointy to being like a star yeah so"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":885.58,"endTime":889.46,"body":"only ever put paint halfway up those bristles basically which means it takes"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":889.46,"endTime":892.52,"body":"a little bit longer to paint them but it's what you want the next thing is some"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":892.52,"endTime":896.68,"body":"decent paints now paints are very individual you know games workshop does a"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":896.68,"endTime":901.34,"body":"whole raft of paints which are good there's other there's other companies that"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":901.34,"endTime":904.36,"body":"do them ak and stuff like that find the colors that work for you,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":905.05,"endTime":908.13,"body":"and and go down that route there's no loyalty there you know and."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":908.13,"endTime":912.07,"body":"What about lighting and we're a podcast that's appealing to the older player the older."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":912.07,"endTime":912.59,"body":"New player."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":912.59,"endTime":915.87,"body":"And a lot of us have got our eyesight's going a little bit and maybe."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":915.87,"endTime":919.93,"body":"I don't know not quite shaking we're not that old but."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":919.93,"endTime":923.43,"body":"You know what i mean there are tools that you could use and they to make make"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":923.43,"endTime":924.63,"body":"it easier for yourself to."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":924.63,"endTime":927.49,"body":"See what you're doing and things like that i would recommend a daylight lamp"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":927.49,"endTime":930.91,"body":"if you paint a color to normal lights in your house everything"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":930.91,"endTime":936.41,"body":"will turn out a little bit yellow uh and in your house under your normal lighting"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":936.41,"endTime":939.89,"body":"it'll look good the moment you take it outside into the sunshine or it's anywhere"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":939.89,"endTime":944.27,"body":"with some decent lights it'll all look off so buying a decent daylight light"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":944.27,"endTime":949.47,"body":"is very good but they are quite expensive and then i have a pair of goggles the."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":949.47,"endTime":950.99,"body":"Game changes there i got some of those."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":950.99,"endTime":951.63,"body":"Yeah because."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":951.63,"endTime":954.23,"body":"Mark i can't see shit and they've got a light on the front yeah."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":954.23,"endTime":954.97,"body":"Like a minus."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":954.97,"endTime":958.21,"body":"Lamp honestly i could not paint any figures without that."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":958.21,"endTime":961.97,"body":"Why don't you use them for dming because i've seen you struggle a bit there too well."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":961.97,"endTime":963.37,"body":"Yeah they look a bit stupid."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":965.51,"endTime":966.87,"body":"To be fair but."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":966.87,"endTime":967.95,"body":"You look like a mad scientist."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":967.95,"endTime":971.69,"body":"You do look like a mad scientist yeah yeah you do so but but you are right they"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":971.69,"endTime":974.95,"body":"are game-changing so yeah it's number one would be a decent paintbrush or decent"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":974.95,"endTime":979.29,"body":"paintbrush set leading on from that would be a decent daylight light from there"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":979.29,"endTime":982.59,"body":"decent set of magnification and then the paints as you choose so."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":982.59,"endTime":985.81,"body":"It's a one-off investment really as far as somebody that's just painting figures"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":985.81,"endTime":987.65,"body":"for their for a character so with."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":987.65,"endTime":988.05,"body":"The stuff."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":988.05,"endTime":992.11,"body":"They get and the paint and the paintbrushes apart from them purchasing the minis"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":992.11,"endTime":996.81,"body":"when they need them that initial investment appears to be about it."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":996.91,"endTime":1000.73,"body":"I always thought the paintbrushes sort of had a lifespan and you might get,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1001.36,"endTime":1004.94,"body":"Three weeks out of one or something like that. I'm surprised to know that they last so long."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1005.12,"endTime":1007.8,"body":"Yeah, well, if you look after them. So I take it to the nth degree, don't I?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1007.9,"endTime":1010.5,"body":"So you get quite attached to them. I have a paintbrush, a Winsorneaton size"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1010.5,"endTime":1014.44,"body":"zero paintbrush that I only use for eyes because I'm adamant,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1014.66,"endTime":1019.62,"body":"adamant that it is better than any other brush I've ever used painting eyes."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1019.86,"endTime":1023.36,"body":"Now, I'm sane enough to realise that's not the case, but I'm telling you,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1023.58,"endTime":1028.28,"body":"all the eyes I've painted on, all the models I've given you were painted by that size zero brush."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1028.83,"endTime":1031.35,"body":"So what happens if you get the eyes wrong? You just start again,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1031.57,"endTime":1034.77,"body":"right? And then if you get them wrong again, this is what happened when I was painting."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1034.91,"endTime":1037.97,"body":"I remember now, the eyes, it took me about 10 times. By the time they'd finished,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1038.11,"endTime":1041.25,"body":"the layers of paint made it look like it had the Innsmouth look."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1041.41,"endTime":1043.97,"body":"You know, it was, his eyes were bulging."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1044.39,"endTime":1044.71,"body":"Bulging."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1044.93,"endTime":1047.43,"body":"Yeah, you got to get it right first time if you were a pro, right?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1047.43,"endTime":1050.41,"body":"Yeah yeah yeah but you usually use really thin paints when"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1050.41,"endTime":1053.23,"body":"you get to when you get to competition level your paints are"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1053.23,"endTime":1059.05,"body":"almost like water because you need to you need to make the graduation so subtle"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1059.05,"endTime":1063.51,"body":"so it looks like an actual piece of cloth where it actually looks like flames"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1063.51,"endTime":1067.41,"body":"it's got to be so gentle uh when it comes to eyes and stuff there are a few"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1067.41,"endTime":1071.27,"body":"techniques you can do it yeah yeah you've got to be careful it's a tricky thing but so."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1071.27,"endTime":1074.15,"body":"So like yeah as an rpg you're not going to be painting miniatures sort"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1074.15,"endTime":1078.15,"body":"of week in week out like you are but i could see how someone could get obsessed"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1078.15,"endTime":1082.11,"body":"with the painting side of it as well but listening to you it's okay i know you"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1082.11,"endTime":1086.53,"body":"mentioned the daylight light but it sounds like a relatively inexpensive hobby"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1086.53,"endTime":1090.95,"body":"especially now there's so many miniatures manufacturers and 3d printing and"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1090.95,"endTime":1092.55,"body":"stuff like that on the market is that right."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1092.55,"endTime":1095.73,"body":"Yeah yeah true yeah yeah whether you love or loathe games"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1095.73,"endTime":1098.51,"body":"workshop they're expensive because they are good yeah they are they are they"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1098.51,"endTime":1101.81,"body":"are good models and they are they're well done but you're bang on you can go"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1101.81,"endTime":1106.05,"body":"into etsy and just get some 3d printed ones yeah and in fact games workshop"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1106.05,"endTime":1110.43,"body":"models only cater the games workshop games the you'll be lucky if you find a"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1110.43,"endTime":1115.87,"body":"priest of sigma carrying a warhammer with leather armor prime example you it's"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1115.87,"endTime":1117.51,"body":"too niche you'd never got a better chance."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1117.51,"endTime":1120.19,"body":"Of finding that than you ever finding barry's warlock for instance."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1120.19,"endTime":1121.89,"body":"Have you looked barry."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1121.89,"endTime":1125.47,"body":"Have you ever looked at games workshop stock when you're looking to to have"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1125.47,"endTime":1127.67,"body":"character figures or is it somewhere you just don't know because."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1127.67,"endTime":1131.93,"body":"I've just otherwise known that they do their stuff exclusively."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1132.11,"endTime":1134.15,"body":"Yeah, and you'd have to buy a squad, wouldn't you, to get one model."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1134.35,"endTime":1137.43,"body":"Absolutely. You said something much, much, much earlier on as well that I just"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1137.43,"endTime":1140.31,"body":"wanted to circle back to because I really liked it when you were talking about"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1140.31,"endTime":1143.47,"body":"being a bit of a wobbly young man. I remember it well myself."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1143.47,"endTime":1144.81,"body":"And you said just being able to..."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1145.37,"endTime":1150.49,"body":"focus on one small thing i mean is that a big part of the appeal for painting"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1150.49,"endTime":1152.79,"body":"to you is it almost zen yeah."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1152.79,"endTime":1156.01,"body":"Exactly that so when i'm in competitions and stuff i can wake up at eight o'clock"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1156.01,"endTime":1159.13,"body":"in the morning start painting and the next thing i know it's nine o'clock at"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1159.13,"endTime":1163.77,"body":"night you know it just it just it goes by yeah and it's not it's not it's not"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1163.77,"endTime":1166.49,"body":"even the only thing i'd get up to go to is go to the loo or something i mean"},{"speaker":"Track 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if i ever do painting that's what i want to experience i mean."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1192.95,"endTime":1196.61,"body":"Yeah and i can like i can really like relate to it i've had loads of hobbies"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1196.61,"endTime":1200.97,"body":"that have kind of been like that i went for a phase soldering electronics kits"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1200.97,"endTime":1205.93,"body":"like you can buy these kits you know build an fm radio build and like it's just"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1205.93,"endTime":1209.15,"body":"me and this problem in front of me that's all it is there's nothing else in"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1209.15,"endTime":1212.45,"body":"the world just me and this one thing that i'm doing right now yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1212.45,"endTime":1216.33,"body":"Maybe by the end of this we'll all be going on amazon and looking for our daylight"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1216.33,"endTime":1220.11,"body":"lights and and goggles and yeah it's definitely got me thinking."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1220.11,"endTime":1223.59,"body":"Why don't we all have a go at painting our um our."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1223.59,"endTime":1224.97,"body":"Alter egos okay."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1224.97,"endTime":1228.49,"body":"I can't believe i'm saying this out loud because i realize i've just given myself"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1228.49,"endTime":1232.43,"body":"another job but why don't we all just look for a miniature that is nearest to"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1232.43,"endTime":1235.87,"body":"our character that we can find and have a punt okay."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1235.87,"endTime":1236.75,"body":"I'll take the."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1236.75,"endTime":1238.85,"body":"Challenge no getting coaching yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1238.85,"endTime":1240.63,"body":"No getting paint monkey,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1242.27,"endTime":1243.15,"body":"well i."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1243.15,"endTime":1247.19,"body":"For one i'm accepting the challenge i am going to paint silas."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1247.19,"endTime":1249.93,"body":"Yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna find them somewhere."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1249.93,"endTime":1253.17,"body":"Yeah identify them might be getting 3d printed could be somewhere."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1253.17,"endTime":1257.13,"body":"If you go into etsy and just type in um fantasy model then type in the kind"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1257.13,"endTime":1258.65,"body":"of description you get quite close you know."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1258.65,"endTime":1262.15,"body":"Yeah well we can maybe get one of them over to you mark and you can you can"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1262.15,"endTime":1263.47,"body":"join the competition and i."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1263.47,"endTime":1264.99,"body":"Didn't say it was a competition."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1264.99,"endTime":1268.35,"body":"Barry come on i know you well enough we."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1268.35,"endTime":1269.29,"body":"Implied it was."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1269.29,"endTime":1270.55,"body":"No i didn't imply."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1270.55,"endTime":1275.47,"body":"It was a competition i said it was a challenge that is not the same thing i'll."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1275.47,"endTime":1277.77,"body":"Tell you what we're doing like the princess bride i'll do it left-handed."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1277.77,"endTime":1281.65,"body":"Well you'll have to video yourself doing that but do it with your feet i think"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1281.65,"endTime":1285.03,"body":"what we do i think what we do is um we judge the competition that we need somebody"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1285.03,"endTime":1289.45,"body":"to do that for us perhaps but on our wrap party during our season two debrief"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1289.45,"endTime":1295.69,"body":"at the end of the year perhaps we can bring that into the season two debrief episode and you are."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1295.69,"endTime":1299.51,"body":"Absolutely sold on it being a competition i just need to change my mindset because"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1299.51,"endTime":1302.79,"body":"that's a completely different proposition for me but yeah all right all."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1302.79,"endTime":1305.87,"body":"Right yes uh so mark yeah as as"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1305.87,"endTime":1309.77,"body":"far as starting off is concerned and people can youtube this shit to get more"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1309.77,"endTime":1313.15,"body":"details i suppose on a few tuitions you don't have a youtube channel anything"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1313.15,"endTime":1317.23,"body":"that people can can look at you telling them but are there any techniques that"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1317.23,"endTime":1322.17,"body":"you would immediately say yeah get that one do this you know i don't know what"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1322.17,"endTime":1324.31,"body":"even they might be called but if you can kind of,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1324.83,"endTime":1328.89,"body":"let people know to look out for this technique or that technique the."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1328.89,"endTime":1332.25,"body":"Best way to start there's something called slap chat believe it or not it's"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1332.25,"endTime":1336.65,"body":"a really easy way to do it what you do is you get your model you um undercoat"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1336.65,"endTime":1340.81,"body":"it black and you get what's called a dry brush yeah a paintbrush full of paint"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1340.81,"endTime":1344.67,"body":"and you take most of it off so as you brush it over the model it only leaves"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1344.67,"endTime":1347.49,"body":"like tiny little dots you do that all over the model,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1348.14,"endTime":1353.04,"body":"And then you use the ink color you want to do. And what you'll find is it will"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1353.04,"endTime":1355.52,"body":"naturally automatically make shading for you. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1355.96,"endTime":1358.84,"body":"Because the paint only goes on the raised part, not on the recess."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1359.22,"endTime":1362.7,"body":"So as you put a red ink on it, it'll be darker in the recess and lighter on"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1362.7,"endTime":1365.96,"body":"the top. And that's the easiest way to do it. Quick as that."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1366.16,"endTime":1367.06,"body":"That sounds very quick."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1367.4,"endTime":1368.46,"body":"Barry's making notes now."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1368.64,"endTime":1368.74,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1369.16,"endTime":1370.7,"body":"Of course I am. You've made it a competition."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1374.32,"endTime":1378.0,"body":"How foolish of me when people decided to make it a competition."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1378.14,"endTime":1381.64,"body":"to pay attention in effort to win the competition."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1381.64,"endTime":1385.6,"body":"So that'd be a quick way of painting the figure but what would you recommend"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1385.6,"endTime":1389.06,"body":"the dry brushing technique anyway would you for people to look up because that's"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1389.06,"endTime":1389.92,"body":"something i remember doing."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1389.92,"endTime":1394.06,"body":"Yeah dry brushing is a very effective way of painting models it has a really"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1394.06,"endTime":1397.4,"body":"good basic effect and like i said when you're looking at your models from two"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1397.4,"endTime":1401.84,"body":"meters away from playing on a tabletop it'll look brilliant and really really good yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1401.84,"endTime":1406.42,"body":"And what would you recommend not to do what would be your your tips of to avoid."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1406.42,"endTime":1412.18,"body":"Always um thin the paint never use the paint straight out of the pot yeah sorry."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1412.18,"endTime":1412.84,"body":"Why."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1412.84,"endTime":1413.98,"body":"Did you why did you say that barry."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1413.98,"endTime":1418.24,"body":"Some things get repeated a billion times because they absolutely foundational"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1418.24,"endTime":1422.84,"body":"and this is one of those things is my understanding everyone's yeah it's it's"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1422.84,"endTime":1424.68,"body":"almost a catchphrase of painters right."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1424.68,"endTime":1427.62,"body":"Yeah bang on yeah because what you do is if you use the paint straight out of"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1427.62,"endTime":1429.66,"body":"the pot it's so thick you'll have brush marks."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1431.06,"endTime":1435.12,"body":"Okay. But most people would think, if anything, you know, they don't want you"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1435.12,"endTime":1437.88,"body":"watering down the paints because that means you get more value out of the pot."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1438.02,"endTime":1443.26,"body":"So I always think that using them as they are is probably how it was intended. But no?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1443.46,"endTime":1447.88,"body":"No, no, not at all. No, no, not in any way. You want your paint effectively"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1447.88,"endTime":1449.1,"body":"the consistency of milk."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1449.76,"endTime":1451.58,"body":"That's how you want it. That's the kind of level you want."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1451.76,"endTime":1454.06,"body":"A starting painter would want that, do you think?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1454.18,"endTime":1458.74,"body":"Yeah, yeah, yeah. The best ratio is for each brush of paint,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1458.96,"endTime":1460.38,"body":"add two brushes of water. that."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1460.38,"endTime":1462.82,"body":"Sounds a bit too runny for me i just think it would go everywhere."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1462.82,"endTime":1466.24,"body":"I mean you don't want it like runny water but you you want it you want it to"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1466.24,"endTime":1469.74,"body":"be so basically when you run your brush through the paint on your palette where"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1469.74,"endTime":1473.34,"body":"you've stored your paint you want it to leave the fold if that makes sense so"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1473.34,"endTime":1476.76,"body":"as you run your fit your paintbrush through it you want to leave the mark in the paint and."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1476.76,"endTime":1482.02,"body":"So then yeah don't use paint as it is out the pot what other um tips particularly"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1482.02,"endTime":1483.4,"body":"things not to do at this point."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1483.4,"endTime":1487.3,"body":"Yeah the next thing is don't overload your brush so like i said if you get that"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1487.3,"endTime":1491.02,"body":"paint above the where the bristles are into the femal you'll you'll ruin your"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1491.02,"endTime":1494.14,"body":"brush you could spend some of these brushes marker are like 30 quid a piece"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1494.14,"endTime":1499.06,"body":"you know so looking after your brushes is a very important thing to do would you recommend."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1499.06,"endTime":1501.6,"body":"Somebody spends 30 pound on their first brush though."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1501.6,"endTime":1505.34,"body":"No chance no don't get yourself something nice and simple um synthetic brushes"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1505.34,"endTime":1508.78,"body":"will be best thing to start with don't get the stable ones the white expensive"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1508.78,"endTime":1512.38,"body":"ones yeah the last one is let your paint dry i know that sounds really stupid"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1512.38,"endTime":1516.24,"body":"but when you're when you're getting into it and you're You paint an area,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1516.54,"endTime":1519.52,"body":"like let's say you did a cloak and the back of the cloak touches the trousers,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1520.28,"endTime":1523.2,"body":"you'll start painting the trousers and the red paint will run into the brown"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1523.2,"endTime":1525.26,"body":"paint and you'll never get it off. Yeah?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1526.68,"endTime":1529.36,"body":"So give your painting a chance to dry."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1529.76,"endTime":1532.3,"body":"How long does it take to dry? How long would you give it?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1533.0,"endTime":1534.28,"body":"Minutes. It doesn't take long at all."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1534.32,"endTime":1537.5,"body":"Okay. Because I'm impatient. I wouldn't be able to wait very long. I just want to..."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1537.5,"endTime":1539.92,"body":"What you do is you paint areas that are not near each other."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1540.08,"endTime":1543.48,"body":"So you'd paint like the sword and then paint the boots while the sword's drying"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1543.48,"endTime":1544.9,"body":"kind of thing. That's the way to do it."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1545.62,"endTime":1549.44,"body":"Okay so you don't have to put it down and move away that's how you yeah yeah so you put in the hours,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1550.39,"endTime":1552.09,"body":"what was your first figure you painted."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1552.09,"endTime":1557.39,"body":"Was a blood bowl figure called count von drake he was a he was a star player"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1557.39,"endTime":1561.19,"body":"he was a little cartoon vampire player unfortunately i haven't got my original"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1561.19,"endTime":1564.97,"body":"model but um it was bad okay you're not too tempted to buy the buy."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1564.97,"endTime":1566.47,"body":"The figure again now and."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1566.47,"endTime":1570.51,"body":"Repaint it it's funny to mention that i asked exactly what i did yeah yeah i"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1570.51,"endTime":1574.23,"body":"managed to find one and did it and yeah yeah it came out all right but yeah"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1574.23,"endTime":1580.05,"body":"my original one was bad it was really bad I remember painting everything with a fine detail brush."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1580.49,"endTime":1586.07,"body":"I've just learned something about the paints. I didn't realise they'd be water-soluble."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1586.41,"endTime":1590.19,"body":"Most of them are. Be careful. Some of them are oil-based. Bizarrely,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1590.35,"endTime":1593.11,"body":"weirdly, another thing to talk about, all paint tastes different, just to let you know."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1593.69,"endTime":1597.61,"body":"Is that years of testing have led you to believe that? Love it."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1597.73,"endTime":1599.35,"body":"What does Doblin Green taste like?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1599.65,"endTime":1604.17,"body":"No, the best one, the best tasting paint I know of is called Calabrac Green, but there you go."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1604.17,"endTime":1606.17,"body":"Oh, different colours, different tastes."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1606.63,"endTime":1610.09,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Because what you do is, it sounds horrible, but what you do is you"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1610.09,"endTime":1613.57,"body":"clean your brush and your water and you run it across your tongue to get the point back."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1614.17,"endTime":1617.27,"body":"And yeah, so you clean your brush and your water and clean it on your tongue and then off you go."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1618.2,"endTime":1621.06,"body":"It sounds horrible, and it is, but yeah."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1621.5,"endTime":1627.42,"body":"On a probably more advanced technique, is that a way of, say,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1627.68,"endTime":1629.62,"body":"weathering the look of something?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1629.98,"endTime":1630.54,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1630.74,"endTime":1636.58,"body":"Instead of having a shiny cloak because of the paint, is it just that dry brushing"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1636.58,"endTime":1638.66,"body":"thing that might give it a more textured appearance?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1638.86,"endTime":1642.58,"body":"Good question. So let's say you painted your cloak red, shall we say,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1642.72,"endTime":1644.54,"body":"and you wanted to make it look weathered at the bottom."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1644.54,"endTime":1647.4,"body":"what you do is is that you figure what color"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1647.4,"endTime":1650.12,"body":"you're going to paint your base that your model is going to stand on and you"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1650.12,"endTime":1653.96,"body":"add a little bit of that color to the red paint yeah which"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1653.96,"endTime":1657.0,"body":"will make a kind of hybrid color and that's what you dry brush at the bottom"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1657.0,"endTime":1660.48,"body":"of the bottom of the cloak and the closer it gets to the bottom of the cloak"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1660.48,"endTime":1664.64,"body":"the more of the color you add so it'll go from being slightly off brown to being"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1664.64,"endTime":1668.4,"body":"a muddy brown to being very muddy brown to being dark brown and that's how you"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1668.4,"endTime":1671.04,"body":"pull it off yeah okay so and."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1671.04,"endTime":1672.66,"body":"What about textures yeah,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":1673.72,"endTime":1677.8,"body":"How can you make it look more like a material?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1678.3,"endTime":1682.82,"body":"Sure. So when you're highlighting material, you always highlight downwards."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1683.32,"endTime":1687.56,"body":"And when you're highlighting paper, you always highlight left to right."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1687.78,"endTime":1692.38,"body":"So when you paint your cloak, you'd put a dark red into the recesses of the"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1692.38,"endTime":1695.24,"body":"folds, and you'd put a light red on the top part."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1695.42,"endTime":1700.68,"body":"When painting cloth, any sort of cloth, always turn the model so you're painting towards yourself."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1700.7,"endTime":1703.62,"body":"So you're doing upwards or downwards. Never go left to right."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1703.72,"endTime":1708.6,"body":"Okay so we're going to move on to now the craft a bit more kind of the advanced"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1708.6,"endTime":1712.08,"body":"side of things so because we know you know you've already spoken about entering"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1712.08,"endTime":1715.62,"body":"competitions particularly with the blood bowl but you've had some experience"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1715.62,"endTime":1720.94,"body":"with the golden demon as well but what is the golden demon and tell us your experience with it."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1720.94,"endTime":1725.42,"body":"Yeah sure so golden demon is games workshop's premier painting competition it"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1725.42,"endTime":1730.52,"body":"is the one you want to win it's the one that started in 1976 I think it was"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1730.52,"endTime":1731.96,"body":"when they did their first painting competition."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1732.88,"endTime":1737.1,"body":"It is very prestigious. The problem is, is there's only, there's,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1737.1,"endTime":1740.8,"body":"there's 12 categories and each category only has gold, silver,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1740.88,"endTime":1742.74,"body":"bronze. So there's only three winners."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1743.02,"endTime":1745.64,"body":"Well, you enter your model and you get a little piece of white card of your"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1745.64,"endTime":1747.96,"body":"name on it underneath your model."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1748.18,"endTime":1752.44,"body":"And then you, you hope that you get through the first culling, shall we say?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1752.72,"endTime":1755.6,"body":"So what you do is, is that the lower staff,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1755.72,"endTime":1758.86,"body":"the people that just like the look of what they like the look of, will put a green sticker"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1758.86,"endTime":1761.8,"body":"on your little bit of white paper so you"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1761.8,"endTime":1764.74,"body":"go back six hours later four hours later and you're desperate to"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1764.74,"endTime":1767.52,"body":"see this little green sticker and that means that you've"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1767.52,"endTime":1770.24,"body":"the entries have been cut in half as you've made"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1770.24,"endTime":1775.34,"body":"the first the first culling and that keeps going for four rounds all the way"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1775.34,"endTime":1780.06,"body":"down to five and when you get to five those ones are the chance of winning a"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1780.06,"endTime":1786.28,"body":"golden demon trophy now i've managed to get down to the five once once only"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1786.28,"endTime":1789.56,"body":"and the model was photographed I didn't win though,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1790.35,"endTime":1793.27,"body":"uh and and that's what you're kind of hoping to happen so."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1793.27,"endTime":1797.63,"body":"Talking about entry requirements is it just they take your money and it doesn't"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1797.63,"endTime":1801.31,"body":"matter how good you are as a painter or do they demand a certain level of paint."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1801.31,"endTime":1805.17,"body":"Painting no no it's open to everyone um let's be honest if you want to try and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1805.17,"endTime":1810.39,"body":"win this thing you've got to be spectacularly good at um but yeah and you pay"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1810.39,"endTime":1813.23,"body":"your ticket to go to golden demon and you enter your model and they'll always"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1813.23,"endTime":1816.63,"body":"take it off you and they'll always put in the cabinet uh so they they claim."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1816.63,"endTime":1818.97,"body":"Ownership of it do they if it wins it becomes theirs."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1818.97,"endTime":1822.13,"body":"No no sometimes"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1822.13,"endTime":1824.95,"body":"they take photographs of it and stick it in there or they ask"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1824.95,"endTime":1828.33,"body":"if they can borrow it and put it at what's called why i'm a world in nottingham"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1828.33,"endTime":1832.37,"body":"where the head office is but for the for the next few hours it's in a cabinet"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1832.37,"endTime":1835.23,"body":"and people are taking photos of it and pointing at it and stuff like that and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1835.23,"endTime":1838.67,"body":"it's quite it's quite exhilarating really and in in my little world of seeing"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1838.67,"endTime":1843.27,"body":"these little stickers appear on your models as you slowly but surely make the the judges phases."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1843.69,"endTime":1848.15,"body":"Talking about those miniatures that you that you paint for those competitions"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1848.15,"endTime":1851.05,"body":"well for golden demon And how long would it have taken you to paint that one"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1851.05,"endTime":1853.49,"body":"that got into the final five? How long did you spend on that?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1854.07,"endTime":1858.25,"body":"150 hours. It was on a 33mm model, yeah. To give you an idea,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1858.57,"endTime":1862.13,"body":"the model was an Imperial Guard, which is a guy that wears a long leather coat."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1863.03,"endTime":1868.09,"body":"The leather that I painted used 13 colours of brown just to make it dark."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1869.31,"endTime":1873.13,"body":"But did anything more than the first 10 hours of that really make it any better?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1873.69,"endTime":1877.81,"body":"Oh, yeah, yeah. What you've got to do is you've got to make the folds and the"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1877.81,"endTime":1879.43,"body":"change in colour seem seamless."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1887.59,"body":"So you do something called wet blending, which basically means you put a colour"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1887.59,"endTime":1892.17,"body":"on so thinly that it'll make the two shades blend into one. And then you've"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1892.17,"endTime":1893.67,"body":"got to leave it for a little while while it dries."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1893.91,"endTime":1897.01,"body":"And then you've got to put it on again and again. and the problem is is that"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1897.01,"endTime":1901.51,"body":"once you've finished a certain area if you if you get another color accidentally"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1901.51,"endTime":1904.87,"body":"on it because you lose concentration you've got to go all the way back to the beginning,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1905.53,"endTime":1908.99,"body":"and everything has to be painted to that level so this"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1908.99,"endTime":1913.53,"body":"guy had a um he had like a rosaris around his neck that had to get 15 colors"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1913.53,"endTime":1917.33,"body":"uh he had a pistol you could only see the uh you can only see the grip of the"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1917.33,"endTime":1921.49,"body":"pistol i had to paint that four or five different colors to make it work she"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1921.49,"endTime":1925.21,"body":"was doesn't mean so much to it that it's so it's so important to get it right"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1925.21,"endTime":1927.83,"body":"and that's where your time goes so barry how many."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1927.83,"endTime":1932.21,"body":"Hours are you going to spend on silas after listening to that 150 obviously."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1932.21,"endTime":1935.41,"body":"Minimum listen listen."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1935.41,"endTime":1937.11,"body":"Gentlemen i'm just going to put this out there,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1938.53,"endTime":1940.63,"body":"This motherfucker ain't working at the moment."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1941.01,"endTime":1941.75,"body":"Oh, dear."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1941.95,"endTime":1945.03,"body":"I am time rich, let me tell you."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":1946.13,"endTime":1952.95,"body":"However, I am skill and talent short. So, you know, potato patata."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":1953.27,"endTime":1953.59,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1954.07,"endTime":1958.65,"body":"Also, sorry, I was just wondering, you put that figure in, it didn't win,"},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":1958.69,"endTime":1960.39,"body":"but can you put it in the next year and try again?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1960.67,"endTime":1964.27,"body":"Yeah, so if you don't win a trophy, what you can do is you can take your model"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1964.27,"endTime":1967.37,"body":"back, try and make the use to give you feedback."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1967.37,"endTime":1970.83,"body":"when you got to the top five they used to give you feedback they don't anymore but"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1970.83,"endTime":1974.17,"body":"you would take the figure back um and you generally get feedback from"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1974.17,"endTime":1977.35,"body":"your peers so you chat to the same guys this is where this is"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1977.35,"endTime":1980.03,"body":"where games has a problem with it which i'll"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1980.03,"endTime":1982.99,"body":"get to in a minute but you you take it back you can rebase it"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1982.99,"endTime":1986.27,"body":"and redo it but once it's won the trophy you can't re-enter it ever again so"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1986.27,"endTime":1989.07,"body":"once it's won something i silver got a"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1989.07,"endTime":1992.71,"body":"bronze silver gold that's you done if it hasn't won that you can do it and there"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1992.71,"endTime":1996.89,"body":"has been people that have entered golden demon in america say with the model"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":1996.89,"endTime":2000.09,"body":"so there was a guy called there's a guy that entered what's called a lazarus"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2000.09,"endTime":2004.13,"body":"it's a space marine model dark marine model dark angel model and he didn't get"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2004.13,"endTime":2007.79,"body":"anywhere in games workshop uk but one games workshop us,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2009.65,"endTime":2013.91,"body":"yeah it's all down to the judges of the day you know they might not like your"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2013.91,"endTime":2016.59,"body":"model there but they like it somewhere else it's very bizarre like."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2016.59,"endTime":2019.39,"body":"Even if you really know what you're talking about it still strikes me as being"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2019.39,"endTime":2024.27,"body":"something sort of very personal and that must include if you're judging other people's work."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2024.27,"endTime":2027.25,"body":"Yeah yeah it's what the judges want on the day really 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blood"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2077.65,"endTime":2081.79,"body":"bowl category a warhammer category a 40k category and stuff like that but in"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2081.79,"endTime":2084.79,"body":"each of those categories there can only be three winners and that's it."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2084.79,"endTime":2088.87,"body":"And you mentioned to me outside of the podcast quite often the same people do"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2088.87,"endTime":2092.85,"body":"win repeatedly and this is on record right so if you want to slag any anybody off."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2092.85,"endTime":2095.45,"body":"Yeah so here's the"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2095.45,"endTime":2098.49,"body":"here's the big problem with golden demon i know there"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2098.49,"endTime":2101.75,"body":"i know them personally not personally i'll speak to them there's seven"},{"speaker":"Track 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be"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2125.19,"endTime":2129.53,"body":"you you've won how how high can you go and there should be another competition"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2129.53,"endTime":2134.75,"body":"running next to golden demon for the slayer sword winners only because i work"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2134.75,"endTime":2139.97,"body":"a life i've got kids i've got bills i've got stresses these people are 150 hours"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2139.97,"endTime":2142.93,"body":"to them is nothing they spend 150 hours painting,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2143.63,"endTime":2148.03,"body":"hilt of a sword the guy that won the last golden team that's just finished stated"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2148.03,"endTime":2153.09,"body":"that he spent a thousand hours putting the model together that's."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2153.09,"endTime":2154.09,"body":"Just me with blood bowl team."},{"speaker":"Track 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they talk to each other so no one enters the same model."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2177.89,"endTime":2182.13,"body":"So one enters an ogre say and none of the others will enter an ogre and then"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2182.13,"endTime":2186.21,"body":"someone enters a tank and no one enters the same tank so they're increasing"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2186.21,"endTime":2191.39,"body":"their chances of winning and it can get a little bit elitist."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2191.79,"endTime":2194.11,"body":"Especially when, because when you go into Games Workshop, when you go to Warhammer"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2194.11,"endTime":2197.99,"body":"World they've got this big plaque on the wall and it shows all the winners and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2197.99,"endTime":2202.07,"body":"like I said for the last 10 years it's been the same blokes all the time."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2202.13,"endTime":2207.47,"body":"Yeah, and so your suggestion, which sounds like an eminently sensible suggestion,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2207.47,"endTime":2210.49,"body":"that once you've won it, you can't win it again."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2210.95,"endTime":2211.09,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2211.19,"endTime":2213.67,"body":"But there's, I'm just double checking that I've understood your suggestion,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2213.87,"endTime":2216.53,"body":"but then there's an extra tournament, like a champion of champions."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2216.85,"endTime":2219.69,"body":"Yeah, imagine it. Imagine, so you can win the Slayer Sword, which is an actual"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2219.69,"endTime":2222.53,"body":"sword, and if you've won it, you can enter into Archaon Shield."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2222.75,"endTime":2224.99,"body":"So you get to win a shield that goes with the sword."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2225.01,"endTime":2225.91,"body":"To go with the sword."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2226.21,"endTime":2228.03,"body":"Yeah, or you get your name printed on it, or something like that,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2228.09,"endTime":2231.43,"body":"just some super elite competition. could you imagine these people it'd be like"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2231.43,"endTime":2233.91,"body":"it'd be like the champions league it'll be they'll be sweat."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2233.91,"endTime":2235.15,"body":"Of sweats wouldn't it be."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2235.15,"endTime":2239.23,"body":"Also what might happen is that if you put them all into the same competition"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2239.23,"endTime":2243.69,"body":"they might end up spending like 10 000 hours on each figure and and that's in"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2243.69,"endTime":2245.27,"body":"them gone isn't it really the first."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2245.27,"endTime":2246.17,"body":"Death of painting."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2246.17,"endTime":2248.51,"body":"Just just seeing them like a skeleton."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2248.51,"endTime":2249.15,"body":"Of a paint brush."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2249.15,"endTime":2253.41,"body":"The um raffle tickets instead of names,"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2254.38,"endTime":2260.56,"body":"on the models so that way people won't go oh that that one's really good one i know that guy."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2260.56,"endTime":2264.74,"body":"No no when i said but when i said name the name is on it but it's on the underside"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2264.74,"endTime":2269.92,"body":"of it but obviously you know your model yeah technically it's a blind painting"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2269.92,"endTime":2274.16,"body":"competition but i can pick i could pick andy wardle's models out in a in a hundred"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2274.16,"endTime":2276.22,"body":"with it with a second that's."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2276.22,"endTime":2279.94,"body":"Exactly what i was just about to ask if this is you if this is your field of"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2279.94,"endTime":2285.76,"body":"expertise if you follow these guys closely can you see their work without their name on it that."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2285.76,"endTime":2287.5,"body":"Yeah instantly yeah yeah."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2287.5,"endTime":2289.88,"body":"Okay so it being blind is."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2289.88,"endTime":2291.64,"body":"It's not really blind yeah."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2291.64,"endTime":2294.56,"body":"Yeah that that leaves a bit of a funny taste in my mouth."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2294.56,"endTime":2295.84,"body":"Yeah john."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2295.84,"endTime":2296.7,"body":"I just want to ask you how."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2296.7,"endTime":2298.9,"body":"Many hours are you going to put into painting fact hunt."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2300.92,"endTime":2308.9,"body":"Um i have real problems with art i i'm never going to be happy with it so there's"},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2308.9,"endTime":2313.76,"body":"questions how can you am I better off getting like half a dozen of the same model."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2315.14,"endTime":2315.88,"body":"Until I."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2315.88,"endTime":2318.86,"body":"Get one that doesn't actually look like I've vomited it."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2318.86,"endTime":2320.9,"body":"Up no chance or can."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2320.9,"endTime":2322.68,"body":"You actually clean the damn thing."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2322.68,"endTime":2326.54,"body":"You can there are chemicals you can use to take paint off metal models it's"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2326.54,"endTime":2331.0,"body":"quite easy Terps is just the easiest one but don't do it John do your model"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2331.0,"endTime":2332.9,"body":"to the level you're happy with and be happy with it."},{"speaker":"Jon","startTime":2333.44,"endTime":2334.76,"body":"That's not how I work."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2334.76,"endTime":2338.12,"body":"But this is one of the things about hobbies isn't it it's like,"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2339.12,"endTime":2342.94,"body":"i really meant what i said earlier on when you were like you know be proud of"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2342.94,"endTime":2346.82,"body":"your work i really like that regardless of where you 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But yeah, most of them are willing to talk to you."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2401.76,"endTime":2405.04,"body":"Hand on heart, I just wanted to discuss what the prize is going to be for the"},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2405.04,"endTime":2406.14,"body":"miniature painting competitions."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2406.68,"endTime":2408.84,"body":"A sword? How about a little plastic sword or something?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2409.8,"endTime":2414.06,"body":"I tell you what, I will paint up a Slayer sword, a little plastic sword."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2414.42,"endTime":2416.22,"body":"You're a bunch of grown-up kids, aren't we?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2417.02,"endTime":2418.14,"body":"Got to have something to aim for."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2418.2,"endTime":2419.32,"body":"We'll think of an aim for it, yeah."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2419.58,"endTime":2421.76,"body":"But that means you're judging this, Mark. Are you going to be the judge?"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2421.86,"endTime":2423.12,"body":"I suppose that does make a lot of sense."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2423.78,"endTime":2428.18,"body":"so to round it up i've got a couple more questions to you mark the one of the"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2428.18,"endTime":2430.4,"body":"last ones is what's what are you painting right now."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2430.4,"endTime":2434.88,"body":"Sure so at the moment i'm going to be painting my golden demon entry for me"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2434.88,"endTime":2441.5,"body":"and the missus are going to milwaukee in america in march the 16th to 15th and"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2441.5,"endTime":2446.24,"body":"i'm painting you'd know what this is mark i'm painting a warhammer fantasy battle knight's panther."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2446.82,"endTime":2450.44,"body":"Oh, very nice. But have you not started on it yet? There's nothing you can..."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2450.44,"endTime":2452.84,"body":"No, I'm just getting it together now. There was a famous piece of artwork by"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2452.84,"endTime":2456.96,"body":"John Blanche a few years ago, I wouldn't say a few years back in the 1990s,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2457.08,"endTime":2462.68,"body":"of a Knight's Panther rearing on a horse on a kind of cliff edge. And I'm going to do that."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2462.88,"endTime":2466.62,"body":"Oh, I know it. I know that art. Yeah. It was on a White Wolf magazine cover"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2466.62,"endTime":2467.66,"body":"as well, wasn't it? That's it."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2467.7,"endTime":2471.28,"body":"That is. Yeah, I'm going to be copying that. Yeah. So I bought the model."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2471.42,"endTime":2472.8,"body":"I've got that. I'm getting the base started."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2473.14,"endTime":2476.04,"body":"I'm going to give myself between now and March to paint it. so that's much effort"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2476.04,"endTime":2476.96,"body":"I'm going to be putting into it."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2477.72,"endTime":2482.2,"body":"The barding of the horse, I'm going to paint normal metallic colours,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2482.32,"endTime":2485.72,"body":"but I'm going to try and paint in the metalwork some fleur-de-lis."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2486.32,"endTime":2491.24,"body":"So when you look at it close, the metalwork shows are kind of artwork in the metalwork."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2491.46,"endTime":2493.12,"body":"What competition is it you're going there for?"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2493.16,"endTime":2497.9,"body":"So it's the American Adepticon's Golden Demon. I'm entering Adepticon in America."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2498.1,"endTime":2500.52,"body":"They just might like your style better than they've done over it."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2500.6,"endTime":2502.42,"body":"You might be able to get to the finals."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2502.64,"endTime":2506.52,"body":"Yeah, and I want to give Golden Demon one more goes. they do take a lot of time"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2506.52,"endTime":2509.88,"body":"to do and i've always liked that knight's panther thing and since playing our"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2509.88,"endTime":2513.96,"body":"role play game it's got me back into the idea of knights and stuff and i'm i've"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2513.96,"endTime":2517.6,"body":"got i've got everything ready i'm just i'm gonna start putting the model together"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2517.6,"endTime":2521.52,"body":"and putting the model together is going to take me 50 hours yeah get."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2521.52,"endTime":2522.44,"body":"The head around the right way."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2522.44,"endTime":2526.7,"body":"Yeah head around the right mold lines kind of a mold line one mold line i lost"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2526.7,"endTime":2531.28,"body":"any mold line on it anywhere and that's me out of the competition right."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2531.28,"endTime":2534.12,"body":"But you'd be able to see it there wouldn't you so you wouldn't stop until that gone."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2534.12,"endTime":2537.28,"body":"Yeah correct yeah yeah and i'm gonna have to file it down properly and make"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2537.28,"endTime":2540.14,"body":"sure it all fits and fill in the gaps and all that sort of stuff did."},{"speaker":"Stephen","startTime":2540.14,"endTime":2543.54,"body":"Note down i was gonna ask about does size matter when it comes to the to the figure."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2543.54,"endTime":2550.64,"body":"Well well now there you go so the skink that won the golden demon sword three"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2550.64,"endTime":2557.2,"body":"years ago sorry was is 22 millimeters height it's tiny paradoxically the one"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2557.2,"endTime":2561.7,"body":"that won it the next time was a giant which is about nine inches tall so no"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2561.7,"endTime":2563.44,"body":"is the honest answer it just has to be done,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2564.43,"endTime":2568.41,"body":"well. See, a lot of people do this while going around."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2568.57,"endTime":2571.61,"body":"A lot of people buy these models, these character models, and they say,"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2571.73,"endTime":2573.97,"body":"I'll paint it later when I get better. Don't do that."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2574.41,"endTime":2578.73,"body":"Find the model you like painting and paint it, and you'll get better for the next model you like."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2578.89,"endTime":2580.99,"body":"Never fall into the trap of, I'm"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2580.99,"endTime":2583.65,"body":"only going to paint these basic figures until I get good. None of that."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2583.99,"endTime":2587.81,"body":"Find the model you like and just paint it, and then you'll get better for the next one."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2588.11,"endTime":2590.73,"body":"Whenever you're passionate about something, you're willing to put the effort"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2590.73,"endTime":2594.21,"body":"in, and I'm looking forward to doing this model and i'll take some photos of"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2594.21,"endTime":2596.97,"body":"it and and you can you can see it as i go along i would."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2596.97,"endTime":2598.35,"body":"Like to put some photos up on,"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2598.98,"endTime":2601.68,"body":"our discord channel or maybe our social channels of some of"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2601.68,"endTime":2604.74,"body":"you who work particularly the one that you said got to the last five and the"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2604.74,"endTime":2607.64,"body":"golden thing it's pretty great to see that one you got some professional photos"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2607.64,"endTime":2612.58,"body":"of that at the time yeah yeah yeah and um dear of this as well which you know"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2612.58,"endTime":2615.96,"body":"by the time this podcast goes live there might be there might be a stage of"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2615.96,"endTime":2619.92,"body":"that that you might be able to show yeah yeah so i wanted to round it off by"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2619.92,"endTime":2621.46,"body":"asking you what what is your golden rule."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2621.46,"endTime":2624.22,"body":"Yeah golden rule is to is to when you start to paint"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2624.22,"endTime":2627.18,"body":"um get yourself in the in the zone as such so"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2627.18,"endTime":2629.9,"body":"uh for me i listen to podcasts so i"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2629.9,"endTime":2632.76,"body":"put a podcast on and then off i go and distractions are"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2632.76,"endTime":2635.98,"body":"the killer so let's say you're painting whatever your cloak"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2635.98,"endTime":2639.42,"body":"back to the cloak idea and you've got constant distractions you'll never get"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2639.42,"endTime":2643.82,"body":"it right so get yourself some free time to sit down and do it and put as much"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2643.82,"endTime":2646.86,"body":"effort in as you can in the time frame you've got and if the time frame you've"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2646.86,"endTime":2650.78,"body":"got is two hours do it in two hours these are things that we're really proud"},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2650.78,"endTime":2654.8,"body":"of so give yourself the opportunity to do it with no distractions i'll say would be my golden rule."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2654.8,"endTime":2657.92,"body":"Okay so that's it for this episode huge thanks"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2657.92,"endTime":2661.42,"body":"to little mark for uh joining us today and"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2661.42,"endTime":2664.82,"body":"i don't think this will be the last time you hear from him and and remember"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2664.82,"endTime":2668.8,"body":"as mark says you don't need to be a master painter to enjoy miniatures uh but"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2668.8,"endTime":2673.34,"body":"just get started and hopefully this episode can has given you some sense of"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2673.34,"endTime":2679.14,"body":"a head start and you can appreciate what goes into this side of the hobby yeah"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2679.14,"endTime":2682.26,"body":"so that's it guys well done i mean we don't have to hang up straight away but"},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2682.26,"endTime":2683.66,"body":"that's the end of the podcast alright."},{"speaker":"Barry","startTime":2683.66,"endTime":2686.36,"body":"Can we can we use our usual language now."},{"speaker":"Mark","startTime":2687.56,"endTime":2688.06,"body":"John."},{"speaker":"Track 6","startTime":2688.06,"endTime":2692.02,"body":"Are you going to run again now he is a dedicated man pleasure."}]}