The Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast
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This podcast is dedicated to all things strange , mysterious, unusual and out of the ordinary.
Billy Shadow is your host for this program .
Billy has traveled all over the United States and has led an interesting life .
His time in the ghettos , visiting prisoners , serving in the military , traveling the country while living in a bus , working as an electrical contractor for high profile celebrities, playing in bands ,
writing and performing music and much more . He has first hand experience in cult organizations and has had several supernatural encounters.
Because of his life , he brings a unique take to the subjects that will be discussed on this podcast .
Now based out of Atlanta , Ga
The Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast
Trinidad's Veil: Unearthed Folklore and Supernatural Journeys
Rianne Sharp shares her haunting childhood experiences from Trinidad, exploring the rich tapestry of local folklore and the supernatural. Together, we delve into stories of duppies, ghostly encounters, and cultural beliefs, while pondering the mysteries of the mind and spirit.
• Rianne Sharp's introduction and background
• Discussion on Trinidad's complex history and culture
• Insights into the legend of duppies and their folklore
• Rianne's personal encounter with shadowy figures
• The cultural significance of paranormal experiences
• Folklore and supernatural beliefs in Trinidad
• Exploration of voodoo and shango practices
• Conversations on the nature of speaking in tongues
• Insights into premonitions and their connections to the supernatural
• Closing thoughts on the profound mysteries of life and death
The following podcast was recorded in two separate secret locations, so sometimes the audio's in, sometimes the audio's out. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but trust me, folks, it's well worth the wait. Just turn it up, Mr Announcer man. Take it away.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast dedicated to all things strange, mysterious. The Iconic Hitchhiker Podcast Dedicated to all things strange, mysterious and just plain out of the ordinary. Your guide on this audio odyssey is Billy Shadow. Billy has led a life full of experiences that have put him on his current path, from his humble beginnings in the ghettos of southwest Georgia to the Great Plains of Oklahoma. Billy has led a life full of experiences. As a youth, billy traveled with his family on a bus while his father preached in churches across the country. As a young man, billy spent time in the military, became an entrepreneur, met and worked with multiple celebrities, became a singer-songwriter. Billy's travels and experiences have led him to witness exorcisms, cult mind control events, ghosts and other supernatural phenomena. It is because of his interest in these experiences that this podcast was created and now your host, billy.
Speaker 3:Shadow. Welcome again to the Sonic Hitchhiker Podcast everyone. Today we have a very special guest, and our story today takes us all the way to the Caribbean, to a little island, Trinidad, and I believe it is off the coast of Venezuela, am I correct?
Speaker 4:Yep, it's the most southerly island in the Caribbean, so it's right off the coast of Venezuela, just across from Caracas. So if you wanted to go to Caracas, Venezuela, the flight's like I don't know, maybe 15, 20 minutes. You go up and then you're down.
Speaker 3:You're there and I don't know if I I don't think I've done this yet, but let me introduce our guest, Rianne Sharp. I hope I'm saying that right. I keep asking you, but Rianne Sharp and I have not heard these stories yet, so I'm as intrigued as everyone listening is to what she's going to talk about.
Speaker 1:Rianne, if you don't mind.
Speaker 3:tell us a little bit about yourself, how long you grew up in, or did you grow up, were you born and raised in Trinidad, when you came to the United States, and a little bit about yourself, so the audience will know something about you.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for inviting me, bill. This is really fun. I love this kind of stuff. So, yeah, so, trinidad, I grew up there, I was born and raised there. I lived there until I was 21. Then my mom was recruited she's in healthcare, was recruited to come to the US working in health, and that was gosh, almost like 31 years ago now. So I'm dating myself right. So I'm going to be 54.
Speaker 3:That's okay, I'm right there with you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've been in Atlanta. I've worked in many different types of healthcare organizations. You know I have my own company working in healthcare and I've been doing. I've been in healthcare for about 20 years and on my own for about 10 years and I'm always very when I go back to Trinidad. I try to go every year and it's always such an interesting place to me. I mean it's beautiful, yes, the people are interesting, the scenery is interesting, the history is interesting, which kind of adds to all of the undertone right, I always feel like there's an undertone. It's beautiful and safe and lovely and everything else. But when you go to certain places you have a feeling about certain places a lot of old buildings, a lot of colonial style buildings and different colonial lords throughout the history of the island.
Speaker 3:So I'll start with that, and what is the primary language in Trinidad?
Speaker 4:So the primary language is English. It was originally a Spanish colony was on the same voyage Christopher Columbus did in 1492, looking for India, and ended up going to the West Indies, which he called the West Indies. Trinidad is named after the Trinity. So when he came across the east side of the island he saw those three mountain peaks, if you will, kind of hills those are the three sisters is what we call them and he saw the three sisters and said La Trinidad, like the Trinity. So the island is named after the Trinity, which is the Trinity, you know, the crucifix Trinity, as well as the three sisters that he saw.
Speaker 4:Then the French had the island for a little while, so my grandparents and they some of them spoke broken French. And then the French had the island for a little while. So my grandparents and they some of them spoke broken French. And then the English were the last colonials that had the island until 1956 or so 65, in the 60s is when it became an independent twin island republic. So it's Trinidad and Tobago, and so that's why we end up speaking English, but it's a kind of broken English with other languages kind of filtered in there. So because of that, other cultural influences- I find that interesting.
Speaker 3:I like history anyway, so we could probably talk about the history of Trinidad for a long time. There's a rich history of the supernatural in that area and I did a little research to see what was one of the primary folklores of that area and it was something called. Is it the Duppies or the Doopies? It's almost like gremlins. Now, this is all topic of what we're going to be talking about. But, every country seems to have their own folklore, like stories that kids are told.
Speaker 3:You know that either scare them, keep them in line, or to entertain them one way or the other.
Speaker 4:Stories for the children. You know, get them in the house early.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I, as everyone knows that listens to this podcast, am interested in the true stories, people that experience actual phenomenon, and I know you said you have had some of these experiences and I'm excited to hear about them. Experiences and I'm excited to hear about them. So if you would like to tell me about some of those, and I'll, but I'll ask you questions about them as we go along and let us hear what your stories are and your experiences are in trinidad yeah, what ages you?
Speaker 4:experienced them to, to me very important yeah, yeah, so, um, so, in terms of like, we do have a rich history of folklore and it is very throughout the islands. So, yes, we do have Duppies, which are these for us, it's the babies who died prior to being baptized. So their spirits are kind of wandering and a lot of these stories are like from African folklore, as well as some Indian folklore and native Caribbean indigenous folklore. So there are a couple of really big ones. The other one is this woman called Vilaja Bless. Who is this beautiful woman? She's wearing this huge hat. She presents as beautiful, great figure, but when you get close to her she has a demon face and she has a hoof foot.
Speaker 4:So you know, we had all those kinds of stories growing up, so mine is a little bit kind of unusual, right. So I I think I shared with you. I couldn't remember exactly how old I was when I had the experience of this, so I what I remember is I believe it was maybe a weeknight, maybe like a Friday, going into bed, probably. My bedtime was like around eight o'clock. It gets kind of dark pretty early, it gets light very early and it gets darker pretty early there.
Speaker 4:So it could have been about seven or eight and not really being able to go to sleep properly, not, you know, not ready to fall asleep Maybe. I was excited, wanted to stay awake, and just being in the bed and then, looking over, I saw what looked like figures walking through the room. So they looked like they were shadowy figures, one was behind the other, connected by what I thought was a chain this is my memory, my recollection of it and I thought maybe about four of them, four or five of them, and they they didn't seem aware of me in in the room, like they didn't look at me or try to engage with me at all. They just kind of walked through like the room, so the, from the the base of my bed, just through the, through the room and then out the door. I remember just kind of being really scared, not wanting to see them, I just kind of covering my head not to see them and I kind of peeked out and they were still there and then I looked again and they were gone.
Speaker 4:Where we lived at the time is this area called gopal lands and it was purchased by mr gopal who um was of east indian descent and old. All of the land through there, but that land also belonged to. They were like plantation lands and everything else that was sold off. I think that the US probably does a better job of keeping account of what was there prior to the purchase. So I'm not quite sure what was there prior to the purchase of these residential properties.
Speaker 4:But I even remember being little riding my bike, and there was a house on the hill, very old house that nobody lived in, nobody owned, and it just it felt very unusual, very kind of creepy. I remember it being a wooden, very large structure, wooden structure, white paint that was kind of really ripped off. It looked like in its day it could have been a really grand house. Riding my bike I'd always ride by really, really quickly because I just felt very uncomfortable, just kind of unnerved, just riding by there and I remember some friends we wanted to go. They were like, oh, let's go up and see, and I just never wanted to go up there, right, you know. So we have all of those little kind of homes and that you know, nobody kind of maybe some people, the older people, really remember what was there but that house was just never on touch. A lot of property around it but no one ever lived there did everyone get a sense of a negative vibe around that house.
Speaker 3:Was it a negative or sad vibe? What would you call it? I know as a child. People tell stories when you're afraid, but what would you say? The energy around that house was Negative.
Speaker 4:I would say kind of sad and negative. Yeah yeah, it didn't feel comfortable for me, right? And I didn't want to be around it, I don't want to be close to it or any of that stuff. So, even riding my bike which was, you know, the hill was going up this way my bike was on the road, like I'm riding, I would do my best just to kind of ride back very, very quickly. And I spent a lot of time, like you know, like most kids did, back then.
Speaker 3:We were out of the house a lot, riding around the neighborhoods a lot, and that one, specifically, was one I just wanted to avoid at all cost. Yeah, I want to get back to your story, um, because there's some things that you said that are familiar to me, uh, as a seven and eight year old that you were at the time when you saw these shadowy figures going through your room. Did they seem to just appear through the wall or just out of the blue? How did you first notice them? You were awake and you were asleep. Then you woke up. When I hear a similar story that I've experienced, I always like to get details, because to this day.
Speaker 3:I'm still trying to explain it to myself. So when I hear other stories, I'm like maybe they can help me explain what I went through by hearing their story and their experience. I know, when you have an experience and you see a spirit, a ghost, whatever you want to call them, whatever they are, I know that when you're, especially when you're a child, as an adult I would still be the same, but as a child, if you see that time is kind of meaningless at the moment, when you think about it could be two seconds, it could be five minutes, it could be 30. You know your mind doesn't think that way. You're just suddenly you see something out of nowhere that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:And you're, you're, you're frozen in time, so you're just waiting for it to dissipate. Yes, so you saw that. So you know for sure that you were awake.
Speaker 4:There's no doubt I was awake. I don't think that. I think I was maybe like trying to drift off asleep, but I was not asleep. I was kind of you know, I remember like just going to bed, being in the bed, not being asleep, and then looking over and then, for from what I recall, it looked like they were coming through the wall. So I had the. Where the bed was facing there was a window and a wall and the window was against the you know like out of that wall. So, looking over, they looked like they were coming through the wall and then through the room and then out the door, out the door so like they were making a passage and it just happened to go through it, happened to come through my.
Speaker 4:that's what, that's what it looked like to me and again, no, none of them looked in my direction. Yeah, they just kind of you know, kind of like heads down, keep, you know, going through the room.
Speaker 3:They were on a path and they just happened to go through that. See, that's a little different than my experience where, um, mine, I always tried to remember if I was. I know I was nine or 10. I think nine for sure, pretty sure. So I was kind of in that same age. In that same age as you were. The difference was with me, as I've told in an earlier episode and I've revisited in the last episode, mine looked at me like they were there. It seemed for me or for someone, but I just happened to be there, maybe.
Speaker 1:Now for me.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you had a chance to listen to any episodes, but the episode I talk about. The difference is they didn't look at you. They happened for you. It sounds like they were just passing through.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:You just happened to see these spirits that were passing through.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but for me.
Speaker 3:they looked at me and, like you, you said that you covered up your head or something. And then you looked again. Yes, what made you look again? I know what made me look again.
Speaker 4:I don't want to see this. But you know, then still part of you is like are they still there, kind of thing. So I'm like OK, so let me kind of peek out to see. And they were still there when I looked out and I was like, oh my gosh, this, you know.
Speaker 3:So they were moving slowly then.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:It wasn't. It wasn't like some kind of like running through. You know, it was a slow walk through. Yeah, a lot of, a lot of I watch, I get off on a tangent on YouTube. Sometimes I start watching these supposedly videos taken of spirits, and in the videos they always move. It seems like they dart past. They're very fast, almost a blur. A lot of the videos are that way, but I certainly didn't experience it that way and you certainly didn't experience that. To you they were just slowly, like they had all day to go through, and for me they had hands outstretched and yours they were a shadowy figure. You said.
Speaker 3:For mine they were bright, white, they were like glowing in the dark, and it was dark, very dark, and so there was no doubt that they were glowing, and I don't know to this day of my experience if the spirits that visited me or that were in the room with me were male or female. What do you think about you? Would you say you couldn't tell, or you?
Speaker 4:any gender like it it was. It was just shadows, like shadowing, I you know. I think maybe they were like I kind of thought, well, maybe they were just kind of like like slaves or something you know, because they were just kind of trudging down and just kind of moving through right and I don't remember any gender terms of height or anything. They, you know, they seem like adult, regular adult height.
Speaker 3:I didn't think they were super tall or super short, um, but they were just shadows kind of move, just moving through yeah, that's interesting because I I'm telling you my experience and, as I talk to more people, I I want to know this from other people.
Speaker 3:So far, the people I've talked to, there's no real gender known yeah, I don't know if that's because of the fear that you have without, you don't want to get, you don't want to look too deep, you don't want to get too many, too many details, because that means you have to look longer or really study what's in front of you. That's that's making you afraid, or it's just how it is in the afterlife. Maybe it just that way, but mine I don't know to this day, and I've tried to think back in my head I've never went under hypnosis to see if I can figure that out one day I may try that.
Speaker 3:The problem with hypnosis is I'm afraid that they may mess something else up. Yeah, turn me into a chicken or something I I don't know, but because once they, have you under who? Knows? Yeah, but they definitely. I saw no gender, but they seemed older. I do remember that and they all had their hands outstretched and they were at the door and I felt really cold. Did you feel really cold, or any certain environmental change that you felt, or just or no?
Speaker 4:I don't remember feeling any environmental change. Okay, I'm just my own fear yeah, well, maybe that's maybe that's what happened to me?
Speaker 3:maybe fear, just you know. They say you, you know you stop cold in your tracks, maybe it's something like that, but I felt really cold and that's kind of there was something that prompted me to sit up on the couch and look over the couch toward the door. There's something that prompted me. I can't even explain it, but I do know there they were. I covered my head up, I pinched myself a lot because I thought I've got to be dreaming. Yeah, even as a kid, this can't be real. And, like you, I had to look again because I had to know either it was my imagination or they were actually there. My problem was when I did come up, they were right there.
Speaker 3:they had moved from the door to the couch oh my grandmother ran into the room and turned the lights on, that they disappear and, as I say in the episode, um I, I couldn't sleep in that house anymore with the lights on. I just couldn't do it because I knew that something was there, or at least had been there. So when you saw these beings come through, appear through the wall and just keep walking, what do you, as an adult, looking? Back, I'm sure you're like me, like you wonder sometimes was it my imagination? Was it real? What was it?
Speaker 3:There are too many stories like that from people that let me that make that I tend to believe them based on my experience. There are a lot of people that have a hard time believing things they've never seen. I understand that. So the fact that you and I had similar experiences, what do you think about that experience as an adult? How do you see it now?
Speaker 4:So you know, for the longest time as a child I remembered it right Ever. So I mean, like ever so often I I kind of have some memory of it right. So, like your um with your podcast, kind of said, oh my gosh, I remember I, I did have like an experience like this. Yeah, as an adult, you know, you hear about all kinds of stuff, right. So, um, what is the the sleep paralysis and all of these things that you hear about? And then I think, well, maybe I had some kind of sleep paralysis, or maybe what is the Charles Dickens thing about? Maybe it was some undigested food or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So I tried to think in my mind well you know, if that happened, like what could it, what could it have been rationally right? Like what's the the reason behind it? There are a lot of unexplainable things in this world.
Speaker 4:Like I have a lot of premonitions in a way, like I think about stuff and like I had a thought in my mind about a friend of mine who was. I kind of visioned him on a bed not doing well, and then I found out he had a stroke right. So I think that there is a connectedness between people maybe, and sometimes they are like you have a connection to people who aren't here still. You know in some way, and you know again the people who are moving through. They weren't engaging with me but for whatever reason I was in their path, you know so. So I think that there's a lot that we cannot explain. We won't ever probably be able to explain, and I think that that's okay. You know, when I was younger I would like, really like, dig hard to try to explain everything, but and I think I won't be able to explain everything, and that's fine you know, the problem is, I want to know, so I, yeah, so I I think about it too much now.
Speaker 3:Do you have any other stories from Trinidad that you've experienced, or know someone who had like?
Speaker 4:you have family members, maybe what.
Speaker 3:What else do you have for us?
Speaker 4:yeah, so I mean, we have so many stories, so I told you about. They're all about different beings, right, and I always look at some correlations between, like, european stories, some Indian stories and then our Caribbean stories. So I told you about the Lajabless, right, the beautiful woman. The other one is the Sukunya, another woman. She sucks the blood of um, men and babies apparently is her, her, that's the her diet with the babies they always say that you should wear your baby, should wear blue, and that you should rub the baby with salt so that the sukuya does not get your baby, and she likes newborns, apparently, and she likes men. So I don't know if men are supposed to wear blue, but um, there's also that is that something that people actually do?
Speaker 4:so my grandmother's family. They're from maruga, which is uh east of the island, further out in the, in the woods, if you will, and um. So there were a lot of beliefs around that in the country areas especially. Maybe now with technology people aren't doing a lot of those things, but there are a lot of those kind of beliefs. And the other one is Papa Bois, who is the keeper of the forest, so he protects the animals, he protects the forest. He's half man, half um, some other kind of creature, um. So that was another one that that kids would hear a lot about. And then you know we have um.
Speaker 4:You know, in Haiti they have uh voodoo. In Trinidad and a lot of the other parts of the Caribbean we have opia, which is similar to voodoo, so and that's also practiced in a lot of the country areas. That and shango baptist, which were kind of like a mixture of like orisha and some un-catholicism and everything else in there as well. So with all of those kinds of influences, there's a high degree of spiritual connection, if that makes sense. Like certain things. Don't surprise I don't get surprised by people having experiences or you know, like you see these videos of people who, as they say, catch the spirit, and they're like, like they're on the ground and they're, like you know, like like fish moving around on the ground.
Speaker 3:I've seen those. I've seen that, I've witnessed those. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:I've witnessed a couple of exorcisms supposed exorcisms One, I tend to believe, because it was a very large woman. And now the mind is a powerful thing. Don't get me wrong. I know that things happen, but I saw this very big woman Supposedly she was possessed, and a preacher made her fall on the ground and she fell very fast for her size.
Speaker 3:She was very fast and she started having these convulsions and he started speaking in tongues and she started having these convulsions and he started speaking in tongues and she, like you just mentioned or you just alluded to, about someone moving around like a fish, jumping around. That's what she was doing. She was convulsing, like a little spit coming out of the side of her mouth. She was saying stuff at some other time and moving around like a fish and at some point he said certain things and she it was over. But the fun part about that is to me and that's just one experience, I won't go into all of mine because we're talking about you what? What was weird to me was that when he, supposedly when the spirit, came out of her, she had a hard time getting up. Help her up.
Speaker 3:She fell like nothing was moving around like she weighed, you know, 90 pounds, but yeah, when this was over you had to help her up oh my gosh, I can't explain that? Uh, that didn't freak me out. I was just wondering wow, how did she? I was more fascinated with the fact that she could.
Speaker 4:She couldn't come she fell down easy enough. She's more aware of her body now that the spirit is gone exactly oh yeah, so in trin in your family practice
Speaker 4:voodoo type well, you know our, because everything is so inter, interconnected, intermingled, if you will, right. So their aspects. So our catholicism, like practiced at home, incorporates, like all of these different things. So I remember my grandmother's sister. She was what's referred to as Shango Baptist, which incorporates a lot of the African-esque type of and of course, africa is a huge continent, right so maybe more like Yoruba style African practice. So I remember they would be, the women would be dressed in these long white dresses, belts around their waist and what we call a cutlass, which is like big knife, this huge knife on their, on their waist, and so they were almost like soldiers.
Speaker 4:For you know this practice and I remember seeing like they did just all kinds of different things. They would have water, they'd have like wine, that they would have oils, they'd have pictures of Jesus, pictures of Mary, you know other types of deities, different food that they would offer, which is very similar for Hindus as well in our culture. They'd have like Lakshmi, hanuman, all of the God images, and offer food to them. And we would have as well what we call Thanksgiving, not like American Thanksgiving. We'd have people come to the house and do prayers and a lot of the flopping around was there as a kid.
Speaker 4:That was really kind of unnerving for me was was there speaking in tongues a lot of a lot of speaking in tongues and you know like we kind of in.
Speaker 3:When you watch it in the movies it seems like, okay, they're babbling, but when you in real life it does sound like a language that I agree I agree because there's a certain I'm sure you've experienced this too, so and I have as well, especially in in the states we have kind of a subsidiary of baptist, which are church of god and pentecostal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they are really big on speaking in tongues and they, they are really big on speaking in tongues and they, they say they're full of the Holy ghost and they will speak languages. Now, like you say, it does sound like babbling at first, but when you have several people speaking in tongues and this is what I think I don't speak in tongues and I've never really wanted to, but when I see people, the language whatever language.
Speaker 3:That is it is very similar when you and I grew up, having to go to all these different churches. I've been to all, all over this, all over the country. My dad was traveling to churches. He took us all over. I've seen a lot of stuff in churches that you know almost turned me against some of it, but they would speak in tongues and no matter what church you went to to I don't know if there's some pamphlet that says this is how we talk.
Speaker 3:I've never seen it never but very similar the language is very similar and your first reaction, as you say, is to say oh, they're babbling, it's not, it's not it's not a real language but there's something to it I don't know what gets into them that makes them speak this similar language. Maybe, god, I don't know, it could be something else and they're not aware. I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's funny that you say that. Right, because, like you, as an adult, I try to understand. Okay, well, what actually happened? Right, because you see relatives and friends and everything having these experiences and they are not what we call normal people. They're everyday people. They're not necessarily going to try to get to speak in tongues, but for whatever reason they're in the, in that environment, the energies get caught up in them and this comes out of them. So, as an adult, I try to think okay, so is it some kind of reaction in the nervous system that causes your vocal cords to produce this language? That's hidden in your brain somewhere.
Speaker 4:I think it would be great to study what's happening in the brain when this is happening, because we speak a language that we know from birth, that we're taught, unless we learn other languages as we become adults. But the language of the tongues, it's like, where does that come from? It's not a language that we are speaking as your natural language. They're not speaking English in some other form. It's definitely not English, it's definitely not Spanish. Some people say it sounds a little bit like a tonal language, like an African language or one of those languages. Here are people who've never studied any of those languages. And this is what's being produced because of an emotion, because of a feeling, an energy that comes upon them, right, even if we say, okay, well, we can't measure that kind of energy, but something is happening that's transforming their vocal cords, like their communication has changed, and I think that you know I don't know if there's anybody done research on it, but definitely worth checking out.
Speaker 3:I would say older, I get, the more I have this desire to learn more about the human mind and people the good thing about the technology that we have now in the world is, whereas I remember one time wanting to do I was in my 20s, late 20s I would get in my head a certain subject and I would want to research that subject, so I would have to go to the. You remember these days in the library. I would have to go to the library and check out, yeah, and I would have to read all these books on it. Take notes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I would do it for months at a time and I remember for almost a year or maybe longer, I studied life after death. I got all these books on the afterlife. I wanted to know what the correlation was between the average, what the average experience was among so many people, because you know, you can have all these different stories, but what's the average stories? But what's the average? What is the most common denominator when it comes to what people experience in life after death? They call it the near-death experience, or some people actually die and come back. There's something to all of this stuff speaking in tongues, but if you think about it, when people, people have a tendency to right away put this off as a fantasy or just a wild imagination or just something people are making up. However, the human body and the mind, the way the mind and the body work together, can do some fascinating things.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:And I believe there is also an outside force that created everything and that we are all a part of. You can call it God, you can call it what you want. There's some outside force that comes in. You're talking about premonitions earlier. That's not just something that is normally in your head, like it's not a fabrication in your head, in your head.
Speaker 1:Like it's not a fabrication in your head, something some outer force put that in your head for whatever reason.
Speaker 3:Right, or maybe it's already in there and we just every now and then, we use the power that we have and we don't realize we have it yeah, you know babies and animals see a lot more than we do because their minds not so cluttered, right.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:As you get older, you are fed bullshit from every direction, right, and whether it's media, just other people, folklore stories. You have so much coming in, so much recycled material in your head. Yeah, that you don't really you know. You just don't know what's actually in there.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Either in there from an outside creation or we block our signal from whatever's out there yes the signal is broken yeah, and we know there are signals because we talk on the phone. So we know there are invisible signals in the air already. So why not? Why not have that spiritual signal that that we somehow hinder as we get older?
Speaker 1:and we forget about it.
Speaker 3:Some biblical scholars and other religious scholars think that man over time has forgotten who they actually are, and some people every now and then it comes to them somehow.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:One episode that I plan on having in the future is just a whole episode on deja vu premonitions, because I've had them and you've had them and probably most people have had them, whether they admit it or not.
Speaker 4:Like you're saying, they kind of put it off like, oh you know, it's just, it's coincidental or something like that. Right, we have busy lives.
Speaker 3:We don't. We go about our life almost like. I mean. I think people like you, people like me, probably people that listen to this show, this podcast, have a desire to know more or want to hear about more than just the average everyday nine to five life. Because we get so, our lives become so mundane. I try not to let mine be that way, but most of us do kind of live a mundane. We know what we're going to do when we wake up, type of day every day and there's no room for if there is a signal, I think we don't pay attention to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we just either don't pay attention or we don't use the power that we already have. There's something there. I really enjoyed your ghost story. It's amazing because I can relate, and I'm sure not only me. Well, we had another woman on an earlier episode that also had a ghost experience that she couldn't explain, but in her case she heard voices. She didn't really see anything. I kind of think I'd rather see something.
Speaker 3:Honestly, At least I know what's in the room. Yeah, I think, rather than have somebody whisper in my ear, I think I'd much rather see it. At least I know. Maybe I should get out of the house or what is this, but I really appreciate you coming on. Oh gosh, this has been a lot of fun and I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot from everyone I talk to every day, included.
Speaker 3:And when we do a future episode on premonitions and deja vu, I would love for you to come back. I'll have a few stories from other people, including you, to tell us more about that, and we'll talk about that in depth as well, that'll do it for another edition of the show.
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