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Kayla Jury on Breaking the Rules: Why Being Nice to Yourself Makes You Faster

• Bridget Gaug • Season 1 • Episode 5

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Join us for a transformative journey on the Dogs Per Mile podcast as we welcome our first guest, Kayla Jury. A former "mileage junkie" turned health coach, Kayla shares her liberating experience of letting go of traditional running metrics in favor of counting dogs per mile. Her refreshing mindset has reignited her passion for running, offering an invigorating perspective for both seasoned marathoners and those just getting started. You’ll hear how focusing on joy and embracing the unexpected in every run can bring genuine fulfillment and renewed purpose.

Ever wondered how to break free from the mental and physical exhaustion of chasing past performances? We’ve got you covered. We explore the challenges of returning to running after a hiatus, and how letting go of rigid goals led to newfound enjoyment and natural improvements. By moving away from metrics and instead soaking in the surroundings, running becomes more about exploration and less about pressure. Discover how this intuitive approach can transform running from a daunting task to a pleasurable routine, sparking joy in every stride.

Celebrate the vibrant community of women runners with us as we highlight the power of encouragement over competition. This episode champions the unity within the running world, urging us all to cheer on each other's unique journeys without judgment. Through personal stories and lighthearted reflections, we emphasize how positivity and kindness can lead to personal growth and inspire others. Plus, enjoy some quirky anecdotes and motivational tips that paint running in a whole new, joyful light, complete with whimsical musings on running as a scented "Go-Getter" candle with champagne notes.

Takeaways

  • Embrace the joy in running and celebrate small victories.
  • Growth points are essential for building positive momentum in fitness.
  • It's important to focus on what makes you happy in your fitness journey.
  • Community support can significantly enhance your running experience.
  • Counting dogs during runs can add a fun element to your workouts.
  • Mindset shifts are crucial for overcoming self-imposed limitations.
  • You can only gain growth points; there are no negative points in your journey.
  • Self-acceptance is key to enjoying running again after a break.
  • Don't compare yourself to others; focus on your own progress.
  • Running should be about enjoyment, not just metrics. 


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Redefining Success in Running

Speaker 1

Hey runners , welcome to the Dogs Per Mile podcast , your weekly dose of running reality . Here we count dogs instead of minutes and turn running stats upside down . I'm Bridget , your host , certified running coach and creator of the Dogs Per Mile mindset . Here's the thing 13 years ago , I started my running journey , like many of you , watching the stats on my garment and getting discouraged when they didn't match what they should be saying . That's when I discovered the magic of counting dogs in my run , because sometimes the best running stat isn't your pace or distance . Now , with over 50 half marathons , two marathons and countless training runs under my belt , I'm here to share a different approach to running , one that breaks down mental barriers , eases those pre-run anxieties and yes , includes a weekly update of my personal dogs per mile count . Whether you're lacing up for the first time , getting back into running after a break , struggling your training with group fitness classes or chasing your next PR , you've found your people . This is where we take the pressure off and put the joy back in running , because every runner has a place here and every dog site is worth celebrating .

Speaker 1

Hey runners , welcome back to the Dogs Per Mile podcast . I'm your host and running buddy today , bridget , I am so fucking excited because today's episode is extra special . It is our very first guest and I could not think of a better person to kick this off with than my friend , kayla Jury . Fun fact , I actually met Kayla about five years ago when I won an Instagram contest for 30 days of free coaching , and well , I just never stopped being her friend after that . Since then , I've watched her grow a health coaching business . I've watched her grow into an incredible coach for coaches , a curriculum consultant and a total badass who's developed an amazing thing called Coaches College .

Speaker 1

Now , if you're thinking this is just another running podcast where we're going to talk about splits , pacing and training plans nope , we are going to dive right into Kayla's journey from being what she called a mileage junkie like we're talking multiple marathons over multiple weeks to completely stepping away from running and now finding her way back , with a totally different perspective , in New York City . We're going to talk about why counting dogs may be more important than counting miles and what the hell growth points are and why they've changed both of our relationships with running . And just wait till you hear about her record-breaking dawn per mile count in New York . It's wild . So this is for anyone who's ever felt like they're just running a certain distance or only hitting a certain pace .

Speaker 1

This episode is especially for you . Kayla brings this beautiful perspective about finding joy in running again and celebrating every single win , no matter how small . So whether you're a seasoned marathon runner like Kayla , or just starting out or somewhere in between , grab your headphones , maybe head out for a run and join us for this conversation about redefining what success in running looks like . And hey , if you're running while listening , give yourself some growth points for that . Let's jump right in with Kayla . Jump right in with Kayla . Yay , my first guest .

Speaker 2

Oh , this is so fun . I am so super excited and literally so honored to be here today Like this just feels so fun and so special in like eight different levels , so I'm really proud it's so whole .

Speaker 1

It's like the whole everything's coming whole circle . That's the phrase . I forget it , but welcome .

Speaker 2

Kayla . Welcome Kayla . Yeah , it feels like that .

Speaker 1

But welcome Kayla Welcome .

Speaker 2

Kayla to the .

Speaker 1

Dogs for Mile podcast . Woo , woo , woo . So happy to be here , thank you . For anyone who doesn't know , which is probably everyone , I met Kayla about five years ago when I won an Instagram contest to basically get 30 days of free coaching , which I just never stopped doing for years .

Speaker 1

And Kayla was my health coach when we connected . We both loved running , we both loved being active in the Pacific Northwest and over the years I've just watched Kayla grow into a health coach and now a coach for coaches and her coach's college and a curriculum consultant and developer , and with a just love of running , reading , especially harry potter , and very good cocktails . I'm always impressed with the cocktails she posts online or where she finds them at , and she's returning to running after taking a break from running and is now advocating for approach running that involves more self self-acceptance and celebrating those small victories , which fits just perfectly with the Dogs Per Mile mindset .

Speaker 1

I'm so so excited to have you here and to kind of talk about your return to running and what brought you back and your whole story . So I think we should just start with your running background . So were you always a runner ? What was your running background ? So were you always a runner ? What was your running origin story ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , so , like you just shared when we first met , which it's like when I think about that , I'm like we've been friends for so long now . Like obviously it started as a like quote , unquote like working relationship , but it's like we've and even though , like , we saw each other when we lived in Portland and then we got to like reconnect in like Omaha and like all sorts of different things , so it's been so fun . But when we first met , we kind of connected over our love of running , because I used to run a lot when I started running in college and I remember being like if I could just run two miles , then like I'll be able to be a runner Right . And once I hit that two miles and it's it's . You know , you think back on that time and how beautiful it was in the very beginning , when everything was so new and everything was so exciting , and I just remember what it would feel like the first time I hit four miles and then I kept like going further and I felt stronger and I felt stronger and I fell in love with it hard and so I ended up running a lot .

Speaker 2

I used to joke and call myself a mileage junkie . A lot I used to joke and call myself a mileage junkie . If I had already done like my four mile run or whatever I was planning on doing that day and somebody was like , hey , do you want to run after work , I'd be like , oh yeah , absolutely , let's go . And I would just go run because it also was a really great time for me in building community when I first started and the Portland Run community was so fun I don't . When I was teaching . At the time I had a lot of teachers who were running , so I ended up running a lot of long distance , a lot of half marathons , like you . The DeCoste the relay race is like my favorite doing it every year . I ended up running quite a few marathons and there was a year my last year of like intensely running . I ran four marathons in six weeks or something like that . Yeah , I didn't know that .

Speaker 2

Holy shit something like that . Yeah , I didn't know that . Yeah , my mileage was just so high that my body was like I thought about doing an ultra , which I try not to regret anything . But in hindsight I'm like you were so primed to run an ultra Because my body just could run so much high mileage all the time that I'd been building up to .

Speaker 2

And I just loved going out for like 20 mile runs 16 to 20 mile runs every weekend and so that's part of my history . But how I stopped running was in that last year of running , and this would have been before we met . Still , yes , this would have been before we met , because my like big running years were 2008 to like 2014 . And I met my now husband , john , and he was a basketball player and so for him , running was punishment and so he'd tease me about it all the time and I loved running back then for the way it made me feel .

Speaker 2

It made me feel so strong , it made me feel so capable . It just it was such a great feeling and he lifted weights a lot as , like coming from being an athlete , and he was like , why don't you just come to the gym and try it out ? And so we kind of started to have this transition where I would run not as far long distance , plus , you know , it's the beginning of a relationship . We're like going on dates and stuff all the time so you don't have 20 , I don't have the time for 20 miles every weekend anymore , um , but I started going to the gym with him and just started lifting a lot and ended up just really transitioning into lifting all the time and running just went down to like three two mile runs a week .

Speaker 1

So that's kind of how that transition happened in my running history , but interesting so it wasn't't like a planned break , it was just kind of like it slowly phased out . You fell in love with another movement that brought you joy , that made you excited , that made you feel powerful , but just in a different way .

Speaker 2

Yeah , exactly , and that's why I was like I love running so much . But I think , at the core of it , I loved it because of feeling powerful , feeling like I'm moving , the way it makes your brain feel , the way it makes your body feel , and at that time , too , it was so awesome because I had somebody to do it with that was my partner .

Speaker 2

And I know like you and Ed have done races and things like that together . It's so special when you have that time , so I really loved doing that with John , but then it got intense , because I ended up you know , just like with running I couldn't just keep it chill . I ended up running tons of marathons , and I started getting way faster , and , you know , I would .

Speaker 2

Regionally , I wouldn't consider myself like elite competitive , but I was very competitive , like in my age group . I usually placed top three , I had a lot of like first place wins in my age group , in Portland and stuff , and so it's like , when I got into lifting , it's like I can't just go to the gym . So then I started competitive bodybuilding , and that , though , was harder , and that's where I think the relationship with running really changed , because in that world , running is like not okay , like you can't run no cardio , you're not allowed to lift weights only build muscle only , and that was a really conflicting feeling . That was uncomfortable , but in that way , I felt like I was forced to let go of running , and I remember making my prep coaches allow me to run at least once a week , and they none of them wanted to , and I was like no , I want to run at least once a week .

Speaker 1

I need to run , and that was a conversation we always had . Like , even when we talk about like me lifting weights , I'm like I have to go for a run or I will , I'm going to murder someone .

Speaker 2

I need to do this , like I need that , that powerful moment , and so , like I understand that sort of mindset , yeah , and what I think is so important is , like you were saying , is like we we do all of these things for body shape goals or health goals or very specific reasons , and so much of what we do also has to just include what makes us happy , and so I think that's a really important conversation , and you were better at advocating for yourself and , of course , like letting me know that than I was for myself in that time because I'm also well , we both relate in this where I'm like I'm a very good student .

Speaker 2

So if someone tells me what to , do , I'm going to do it yeah , but I think that was also a really great learning time because that experience also helped me be a better coach , too , knowing I was like I don't like the way they did , that I'm not doing it like that .

Speaker 1

Yeah , exactly , listening to the behind or like the in between the words .

Speaker 2

Yes , yes , like behind the scenes or between the lines , between the lines .

Speaker 1

Thank you . I was like between the words , not there . I was like between the words , not there . Now that you've moved to the other coast , the East Coast , I know East Coast , west Coast , west Coast , but I grew up in the East Coast , so I love , I love the East Coast . It's just special .

Speaker 2

I've been loving it so much yeah .

Speaker 1

This brought you wanting to start back into getting into running . What was the ? Was there a moment , a catalyst ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , no-transcript

Letting Go of Running Metrics

Speaker 2

. Stride felt really good and how I would hit a certain pace and when I you know I was , I was running . Like my easy runs were like 8 , 15 . Like that's so fast .

Speaker 1

to me it is .

Speaker 2

It's so fucking fast . And then , just like my regular runs way back then when I was running , a lot would be like easy 730 .

Speaker 2

Right , and then it was like I got to the point where I would accidentally run with things that started with six , right , and so when I got back into running that's what I was thinking about I was thinking about I want to , thinking about I want to , you know , I want to I should be running a 730 right now . My easy run should be 815 . And so I'd go out after not running for six months , or like only running two miles three times for the last six months , right , I would go out and try to drop 730s on a five mile run and it just crushes you . It feels bad in your body , it feels bad in your mind because it's so hard , like you're sore forever after . And I was like why , and you know . Then you beat yourself up and you're like you're not good , you're never going to be that again . And when that was happening , I also no one is surprised by this Got injured every time , yeah , and the funniest thing is like you're the one who set the rules on you .

Speaker 1

No one put those rules on you .

Speaker 2

No one . And also no one fucking knows , no one cares , and I'm the one who set the rule on myself . So it literally took me probably two years to get to where I am right now , because I kept going on this roller coaster of trying to be fast , trying to like . It's been my dream to live here for so long . Yeah , and what runner hasn't imagined themselves running in Central Park Like everyone ? Everyone listening has been like yep , they can see themselves right now running through Central .

Speaker 1

Park in the fall , going around the loop , and everything , the hills , yeah , or one of the tracks , like one of the ones by the water . Any of those yeah .

Speaker 2

Any of those . Or like the West Side Highway I finally got a run on it and it's like even right now I just remembered when I said that like the first time I turned the corner onto the West Side Highway and was you're looking at Jersey and my heart just like swells with like oh , that emotion . But so when we moved here , I was like I just have to start running again . You just have to do it , kayla . But I immediately , when we very first started moving here , still dropped back and I'm like into that mindset of but you have to be able to run I also , in order to like run to Central Park and around it , it's like well , to run one lap around Central Park it's like six miles , and if I'm going to run there , you know it's like I instantly have to be able to run far and all of these things . And so when I very first started I was like this is hard . It was also 90 degrees and 90 percent humidity , so yeah , you're not used to the humidity .

Speaker 1

from the West Coast to the East Coast , it slaps you in the face real hard .

Speaker 2

But you would think me watching you . I would like have thought about it , or you go through that transition .

Speaker 1

I'm like no , no , I'm better than the humidity .

Speaker 2

As a runner . Your previous runner was like no , I'm better than this , I'm better than that . Yeah , no , that's what you think , but you're like no , absolutely not . So that was kind of a struggle moving here in June . But I had this click and my coach honestly helped me a lot with this , but she was like what would happen if you didn't go ? Try to run a certain distance ? She's like what if you just like went on a run and wherever you went is where you went ? And whenever you came home , she's like if it was one mile , if it was three , if it was whatever , like what if you just didn't do that ? And I was like or what do you mean ? Because , also , I had already structured . I was like this is the marathon I'm there , this is the half marathon I'm going , but I have to run five miles as a long run and it has to be increasing by 10% every week and you know all that baloney . That's helpful , but helpful in a certain mindset , right .

Speaker 2

And so she convinced me to just give up all of that and , oh my God , it was wild how immediately I was like increasing my mileage , how immediately everything felt easy , how immediately and it's because of what you talk about where , instead of me running looking at my watch and thinking about what are my like , what's my cadence , what's my stride per minute , I was just like , oh my God , look at that restaurant over there . We should try that . Or oh yeah , look at the decorations inside there . What is that place ? Or running on the waterfront and I'm like , I'm like , oh my god , I live in New York City , right or to your tune , like I did also practice little dog counting and that got a little crazy and we'll share that story later .

Speaker 2

But yeah , it gets wild . Yeah , but that was like the big changes , very literally looking around and being like how does this Just on all the levels , and it changed everything . And all of a sudden after that I was running , like I got back , like I'm already back to running like 8.45s , 8.30s for like my easy run . I'm like how did that happen ? Because before I was like 9.30 and 9.45 , felt so horrible . And in two months , like just like that , and I ran like a seven mile to seven mile long runs . I'm gonna I might do eight on Tuesday just explore to run to run club and then run with run club and then train back yeah , so yeah .

Speaker 2

It's amazing , just like following your suit and looking at the joy of it changed everything about the whole thing it's almost like when I used to run on my garment .

Speaker 1

I would keep like the pace and like all those sort of stats on there , and the day that I decided that I was just going to change it to the time like . I'd go bump back one screen and all I could see that it was like 6.42 in the morning . That like changed everything because I wasn't like looking at it constantly , just letting it do its own thing .

Speaker 2

So you're always doing that in your brain .

Speaker 1

You're like basically moving the screen in your brain to just whatever you want that to be whatever's fun .

Speaker 2

Sometimes I would , and I know that , like for me , I'm not attached to this number , but I would do that too and I would toggle my watch to my heart rate and because I I do recognize my heart rate , but I don't feel attached to it the same way I do miles or pace , definitely not the same way I feel paced , but it did also help me be like , yeah , you're just out , you running easy , like you're not trying to like go do anything , and so that kind of helped me be like this is just like easy enough , like not a big deal .

Speaker 2

But I know for other people that might not be so helpful , because for some people heart rate is like obviously , if they're heart rate training or something , that wouldn't be a thing for them . But I like that idea of switching your and toggling your watch away .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I like that . We all have like our like one stat that like that's like the stat that we get a little too focused on . Like it could be pace , it could be distance , it could be heart rate , like you said , take cadence and we just get too locked in and worried . Mine is like how far did I go ?

Speaker 1

Like that's what I'm always like well , oh , I only like that was what I talked about the other day I only ran four miles because I was like planning on going for five , I'm going for five . And so I texted her I'm turning around at two miles because I'm only going for four . And then , as soon as I said that , I was like what the fuck , why am I ? Saying only Makes no sense .

Speaker 2

Yes , I love that . I think I like super cheered and responded to that on your Instagram .

Speaker 2

I was like yes , this is so good , our language is so important and I think that's one of the things and that's one of the things I like to teach my coaches in our training is because that's language is trained in us , not because only just inherently we think that way about like it does feel like I only did this because I was planning on doing something else . But we're kind of trained by that in the world and so I teach my coaches to like put words like that in the graveyard , and so I love that you made that post . You're like no more , just no more only yeah , so good .

Speaker 1

So , like my mom will ask like , oh , how far did you run ? And I like to do it jokingly , but then it also at the same time it's just toxic in my brain .

Speaker 1

I'm just making myself feel better because I'm like , oh , I just ran 10 miles and she just giggles and thinks it's funny . I'm like , oh , I should not say that because it she thinks it's funny , but other people are like that sounds so like . Or like , oh , I just ran you know five miles like whoa . Well , I'm trying to run a mile , so I guess I fucking suck yeah , yeah , exactly , though

Recognizing Growth Points in Running

Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

I think there's sometimes the fun in the response of like feeling like 10 miles isn't far and other people being like what ?

Speaker 1

that is . That is I am guilty of . That is one of my favorite things , like oh , I ran five miles this morning and just like wanting a response , I'm like that's a little bit , but it also is fun .

Speaker 2

I think that's like a safe , fun thing , like and I think , for instance , like John as he's not a runner , he loves to always be like you are so crazy in the best way . What the fuck ? You ran nine miles today . What's going on ? And I love that he gets me a hype person , so , like with your mom , I feel like that's , that's like the perfect , safe place to do that and know that it's that's like the relationship is they give you that hype . So I think that's okay .

Speaker 1

It's like knowing your audience when you say those sort of things , like if you're saying it to someone who's starting out , you would never say that to someone starting out yeah , yeah , but if it's somebody who either is , you have that relationship . I think that's . That's different so you've moved away from like traditional metrics , splits , everything like that . Was there any ? Like you said , the I was unexpected . You were just like , after two months , started to pick up speed without like really consciously putting in the effort do you think it ?

Speaker 1

was just because you released the stress from your brain that you had those expectations on yourself and those rules .

Speaker 2

I think , I think it's one of those things where , when you focus on something so much like , for instance , I'm like , okay , well , I know , if I'm running like a 930 , easy , I want to get to nine , and then I'm like focused on just like trying to stick around nine , but when I was like how about you just let your body do whatever it wants , and then I get back and I'm like holy shit .

Speaker 2

I ran to 836 miles and an 845 mile because I was just feeling my body and I think we hold ourselves back like that in so many like subconscious unconscious ways .

Speaker 2

It could be like on a test , you're like , ok , well , I know I only really average Bs , so if I could just get a B on this test . And then you're like self-fulfilling prophecy of like making yourself just get a B , you know . And so I kind of think it was that I think my mind was focused on something and so I was training or like forcing myself to just do that thing , where it's like my body's like hey , actually , if you just like get that block out of the way , we can do more . If you just respect me and allow me , we could do more .

Speaker 1

Yeah , if you could just give me a little bit of grace , that'd be nice yeah .

Speaker 2

Yeah , there was to be a little nicer to myself . Yes , so there was something . I remember posting this long time ago when I was still doing health coaching , but it was a post . Something along the lines of and it resonates so much now that we're talking about this is like me for myself , is it was something like why would your body do what you want it to like ? Obviously , it's referring losing weight , if you're mean to , if you're like saying mean things to it all the time yeah , if you're like , you're ugly , you're fat , you're this .

Speaker 2

Why would your body be like ? Okay , yeah , I'll go do what you want no exactly your body's like in order to , in order to get anybody to do what you want , the first key thing is be nice to them .

Speaker 1

So yeah , exactly like . It's like going up to like a hotel counter and you're like just an asshole to them . They're like okay , well , here's your room , that's all you get or you're nice , the dirty small one that's that's next to the elevator , like enjoy . You're hearing that the entire night versus .

Speaker 2

if you're nice , they'll be like you know what ? We have an upgrade for you . Actually , true story john and I get free stuff all the time just because we're nice . Like exactly Same All the time . Yeah , I'm like . They're like do you guys want another round ? Just on us . We're like yeah , we do .

Speaker 1

Yes , absolutely , if it's free .

Speaker 2

it's for me . I'm here . That's like a very cute tagline . It sounds very good together . That's so funny . I love that so much . Yeah , I think the other thing , though , that was really helpful is this as we're talking about like and I'm relating a lot of this back to coaching and some of the coaching practices is , there's something that I used for my clients and teach my clients use , and now teaching my coach to you coaches to use is really just building like that positive momentum , because when we are saying mean things .

Speaker 2

it's just so negative and you aren't motivated Like . Everybody knows that . You can maybe be a little bit motivated with anger , like some David Goggins shit like sack the fuck up , you little bitch , let's go right Like every once in a while , but largely we're motivated by positivity . We're motivated by what feels good .

Speaker 2

We're motivated by knowing we're doing it and it's working . And it's so hard to see that sometimes , especially when you're looking at all the metrics , when you're looking and I'm like , well , my pace still isn't 845 and I'm looking so far away at the end goal and that was like my big problem , right as I was trying to be running 730s and 845s and running 10 miles and 13 miles immediately . That's what I was looking at . Yeah , but one of the things that I think is really important is thinking about what is there is so many steps between here and there and looking at each little one and it's like , okay , well , really , truly , my goal is to not go start trying to run a 730 . My goal is to actually just yeah , and so that in itself is a win and I call that growth points , where you get to like . That's a point . That's like , if you're adding it up like as a score , I'm like plus one .

Speaker 2

Plus one today because I just ran , period Right . Plus another one today because I ran when it was hot outside . Plus another one today because I ran and the shirt I wanted to wear was in the laundry , right my favorite sports bra was dirty , honestly .

Speaker 1

I'm chafed because I yeah , mine was yesterday .

Speaker 2

Yeah , because I had to run in the sports bra . I don't like and it chafed me , but all of those things , all of those things matter , and they almost matter more , because it's like building your resilience , but we never count that .

Speaker 1

No , and I that's what I love is like . I ran last week and it was fucking pouring rain yeah , pouring buckets but I like went out because of that , because I was like I want to get that tough run out of my brain . I was on my period I had cramps my stomach was dying and it was pouring rain and any other person would have said I'm just going to stay inside or I'm just not going to do anything and I wanted those .

Speaker 1

like points is like what I thought was like oh , I get extra credit points because you and I are A students and we want to do everything we can . I get extra credit because I ran in the rain . I did extra credit because I ran when I was on my period and I had cramps .

Speaker 2

I get points for that . We just never give ourselves credit for that and we need credit for any time we don't feel like it , any time . Even if we do feel like it and we go do it , you're like that's still a plus one . It was just , it still counts , yeah . And I think , yeah , we just don't do enough counting . So that's what I started doing is focusing on what I call growth points and I'm like okay , you got a plus one here , a plus one there , and then it gave me something for us type A people , because we like to tabulate , we like to cross off , we like to you know .

Speaker 2

Then it's still even a number right Numerical .

Speaker 2

And it's like , and you can even break it down , but you have control over that number versus pace and everything you don't control , yeah , and so it's also very much like your plus ones could be anything related , like your plus one could be what you ate after to refuel . It could be what you ate before to fuel up , right , like all of those things count . And then you start to see how it adds up and you're like , wait , I actually got plus three just today because it was raining .

Speaker 2

I was on my period I even stretched and foam rolled after or something crazy Like all of it counts .

Speaker 1

I love that and I use that in so many ways and I just I don't realize I'm using it until now . I think it's just really great to like you get to define what the growth mindset are , and they could be things that you want to work on , Like you talked about foam rolling and stretching . So like I am getting close to 40 and I apparently need to foam roll and stretch four runs , you can't just bop out there hungover .

Speaker 2

Doesn't work that way anymore not , it doesn't bounce back . No , so like oh I treated my body with respect .

Speaker 1

I get extra points because I got to the gym early and I foam rolled and I did a like a little warm-up run , so I get points for that yeah , I love I think .

Speaker 2

I just think it's so , so powerful . I really do , and I think it's something that's benefited me a lot , and the thing that's cool about it , too , is you can apply it everywhere in life . Like the plus one system goes everywhere .

Speaker 1

And I think it's also nice because it is unique to you and it allows you not to get focused on the other people , because I don't know if you're like me . Every person I know , whenever they've run a race , I find their bib number . I , every person I know , whenever they've run a race , I find their bib number , I find the race and I look at how fast they ran , because I apparently just want to know my faster or slower than you and I think that kind of like takes that comparison out , because you don't know what they if that run was harder for them . So I think it helps you not compare yourself to others and the worst , comparing it to past you , because I think a lot of times we forget how many growth points we had to get to get to that point because you were talking about oh , I'm expecting my problem right , what exactly ?

Speaker 1

like if you think , like when you first started running , you weren't running 730s , or maybe you were , I wasn't , no . And when the first time I like when I finally got up to there , I was like you forget how many growth point steps you had to get to get to that point . When you start over , you assume that it's oh , I've done it before , I can do it again .

Speaker 2

I love that point though , because also one the thing too is like growth points are cumulative forever . Because think about , like when I did very first start running , it probably took me like a thousand growth points to like do a four mile run , where now , to get to a four mile run , it wouldn't take me a thousand growth points because they're still inherently part of what I've already accomplished . So I can do it now because of that in 500 or 200 or something , you know . That's kind of like that thought where it's like cumulative literally forever too . Yes , yeah , exactly .

Speaker 1

And that way , like parents who have kids and I don't have kids to wake me up in the middle of night you get you get points for just getting a run in at that time um , I also liked what you said about comparison .

Speaker 2

So I don't necessarily or at least right now , I'm not in a season where I'm comparing other races , maybe because I haven't run one in so long . Uh , I definitely used to do that , but I would say the one place that gets me every time if I'm running on a treadmill next to a stranger like in the gym . I'm just like what are they ?

Speaker 1

what are they running ? I'm sure you were the same at Orange Theory when you we both went at the same time as we're like , oh , what are you running ? What are you running , oh oh yeah , no matter .

Speaker 2

Every single time in Orange Theory I was like , and every time I'm like I want to hear the uh instructor behind me being like nice touch , and I'm like I want to hear the instructor behind me being like nice touch . And I'm like , yeah , you better have just seen me increase the speed on my treadmill .

Speaker 1

That's me in Pilates class . I'm like , oh , there's a challenge . Okay , yeah , I can totally do that . I'm like , maybe , maybe not , but that's a growth point . Sometimes that's a way to turn that kind of like toxic , sort of like competitive nature into a growth point .

Speaker 2

Like , oh , I took the challenge , or I took the coach's instruction , if you're into group fitness or I took their recommendation yeah , yeah and again , like you said , and then it makes it just what I did , just about you , which I think is really powerful , so good .

Celebrating Women Runners and Encouragement

Speaker 1

Hey runners , quick pause in today's episode to let you know about something fun . I'm starting a weekly newsletter and , yeah , I know everyone has a newsletter , but this one's going to be different because it's actually going to be fun . I'm starting a weekly newsletter and , yeah , I know everyone has a newsletter , but this one's going to be different because it's actually going to be fun . You'll get extra running stories that don't make it into the podcast , behind the scenes stuff with Yogi and Maple and first dibs on any community challenges . Plus , I'll be sharing my weekly dogs per mile account before anyone else sees it . Check out the link in my show notes if you want to get in on this running party . Else sees it . Check out the link in my show notes if you want to get in on this running party . And back to our regularly scheduled program . I love it .

Speaker 2

I'm so glad that I'm not the only person that just like looks at me , what are you doing over there ? I know we are not the only people , everybody , everybody listening and tuning in right now is like nodding . They're like guiltily like . So no guilt , no shame , that's just what we do , nope .

Speaker 1

Nope , and the thing I have to remind people is like so people who are getting into these things and they see people thinking that they're thinking about them . We're not looking at you and thinking bad about you . I want to make that really clear .

Speaker 1

Like if you look at someone and think we are basically saying like oh okay , I don't want anyone to not want to get to a class or not want to go for a run because they think everyone's looking at them or judging them . I was like no , this is all internal about us . We're very self-centered sometime at this moment and that's okay , because we're not judging you . I don't want people to think that I can't go to this Orange Theory class or I can't go for a run because they're looking at how fast I'm going and thinking wow , you're so slow , look how much faster I am .

Speaker 2

Yeah , much faster I am . Yeah , it's literally not about the other person at all . It's about what can I do to make myself more awesome today ? It has nothing like and it doesn't even matter who the person is or what they're doing , it's just like okay , are they doing something that could make me challenge myself ? Like you said , accept the challenge . That's more what it is . It has nothing to do with yeah the person .

Speaker 1

So , yes , don't be scared , go , please go do the thing . And also , a lot of times we're comparing it to what ourselves we do . It's like , oh well , last week . I was able to run this . Yesterday , I was able to run this , so we're not comparing it to you a lot of times we're also comparing it to ourselves .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah . Which again is also it's just the balance . It's the balance of figuring out and in almost everything it could be , people in the world are really good at using things against themselves , right , like we're all pretty guilty of that . Like if you see , for instance , some other girl and she runs a 730 half marathon , we can either look at that and say , oh fuck me , I'm not that fast . We could also look at it and say , look at that possibility , look what I can create , because she did it too Exactly . And I think it's just one of the things in the world to just practice how we use the information that's around us .

Speaker 1

What's the ?

Speaker 2

point in even thinking of it in a negative way , when we could always just make it positive Again , that positive momentum , that's what we want to build changing the mindset and changing the language , that how we talk about it and how we think about it .

Speaker 1

Like I know , I have a friend and she's so fast and I I'm just so impressed . She's a nurse , she has five kids and she is just so fast , is doing london , is doing the new york city , half . She got in and she just bust out like nine , like nine , oh , at OTF , and I'm like , oh , holy shit , that's if I got it all out at nine , oh , I was so proud of myself , I was like high-fiving and I not once think anything bad about her . I think that's potential , I could get there . Look at this . Yes , mom , who can get there ? I can get there .

Speaker 2

Yes , but there's so much . I have two things to say . One oh my God , I bet she was like pushing kids in a stroller while she's running , and every time I see it , every time I see someone do that , I'm like you are amazing . I literally just like yell at the person like something encouraging . I'm like you are so strong and amazing . This is awesome . But the second thing , too , is looking at her and having her be potential is also so powerful for her and for you and for , like all women in general in the world Like we just need to be doing that to support everybody , because when I , when I was running and I was like faster before I also had a running blog .

Speaker 2

And I remember writing a blog post that was like my most viewed one ever , and it was on like the apparently controversial topic . Well , I thought I was really bothered by people saying this .

Speaker 2

There's like two camps and it seems like they're split down the line there are the people who are quote unquote slower , and then the people who are quote unquote faster , right , and the people who were faster . I remember hearing the quote unquote fast people talking about the slow people and calling them hobby joggers and I was like , excuse me , they are all still runners , but on the flip side I also like and for everybody listening , I'm totally doing air quotes because there is no fast , there is no right . So then , like the slow group used to call the fast group fast holes , like assholes .

Speaker 2

And I'm just like can we just all be runners , like I just leave it that way , like because there can be so much judgment , so why not just yes cheer for everybody . See it as a possibility and everybody needs to be encouraged versus torn down . There's just too much of that in the world Exactly . Especially down .

Speaker 1

There's just too much of that in the world , exactly Especially right now , we can we tear ourselves down so much ? We don't need to tear other people down , absolutely not . There's so much wasted energy . You want more energy to go for a run ? Yes , stop tearing everyone fucking down . Stop tearing yourself down .

Speaker 2

You'll have more energy , I promise . Yeah , get that middleman out of there , just like . Don't even have those conversations with anybody , like .

Speaker 1

Like you said , waste of time , waste of energy , the 15 minutes . You're like bitching about something . You could have already run a mile and a half , so go Exactly , exactly . I love that . I love that Now that you're in New York . City , you are lucky enough to be able to see a lot more dogs than I am in the suburbs .

Speaker 1

Well , not even the suburbs , but so I need to . You sent me an Instagram video huffing and puffing because you would . I think you had literally just stopped the watch and hit record . It couldn't have been more than seconds later telling me about your record-breaking dogs per mile run , so I need to know more about it . What happened ?

Speaker 2

everything . This was so crazy . And that whole run I remember . As I started getting into it I was like , oh my God , I should text Bridget right now and tell her how many dogs I've already seen . And I was only like three miles into my run , because this was one of my seven miles like longer runs , and I was like , no , no , no , just wait , because what if you see more ? There's like four more miles . And then , after like three more miles or like one more mile , I was like , oh my God , have to just call like . I should just call her while I'm running or send her a voice memo or send her a thing . I was like this is crazy . I was like you know what , you're just gonna wait till the end . So I um , I do think the reason why maybe it ended up being such an epic dog run is because I was going at like Thursday morning at 8 am and I think everybody was taking their dogs out before work .

Speaker 2

They there , there's . No , I think about this all the time , and just for like , like the audience's perspective . I'm a cat person , so I don't normally count dogs for run , but of course I love Bridget and Bridget like promotes this and I've been practicing joy . So I was like , oh , I'm going to start doing it . So I got on this run and where I live in Williamsburg there's a waterfront park that I run along and there's just apartments everywhere where I live . So , and there's just apartments everywhere where I live , so it just has to be the issue . And then I went up further into another neighborhood called Greenpoint , and then I came back and I ran past a larger park . And I just want to clarify to my knowledge , I did not go to a dog park . I just feel like that has to be said , but I did pass by the waterfront park .

Speaker 2

I ran through it , but it's like it's New York , so it's not like a lawn Well , I mean , there is some grass , but there's also like a volleyball net and like mostly cement . And then I ran . I did not go through the other park on purpose because after I started getting into counting the dogs I was like that would have to be cheating because people are probably walking their dogs in the park , the big park . And so when I first wanted to message Bridget , like I said , I thought about it multiple times I was two , maybe two miles into my run and I'd already seen 36 dogs and I was like what is happening ? I think like there was , they were just like everywhere .

Speaker 2

And then I started realizing that so many people were like walking two dogs at a time and I was like is that cheating ? Because and then I'm like these , some of these people have to be like hired dog walkers , cause some people had like four dogs . And so then I kept going and the second time I'd seen 52 and I was like that's when I was like I have to like call you , send you a video message or something . By the time I looped around and I will say the waterfront had the most because it started to slow down at like actual dogs per mile not the average , but by the time I got home I remember , or even before that I remember like approaching 70 . And I was like , oh my God , am I going to get into like triple ?

Speaker 1

digit dog numbers .

Speaker 2

But I ended up with 98 and I was just beside myself , I almost just like ran another block , just to be like where are two more dogs ? Where are two more dogs ?

Speaker 1

They have done that . I was like , oh , come on , because I'm an even numbers person , I wanted to divide evenly , and or just said something ridiculous 98 .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I started doubting myself . I'm like am I crazy ? Did you pass by ? Am I counting right ? Yeah , I was like did I forget ? Did I mess up ? If anything , I bet that I would have erred under , because if I thought that I had already like , I was like no , no , no , you're thinking the next one was 15 . So you are only at 14 . So , if anything , maybe .

Speaker 2

I did see over 100 , but I made sure to err under , not over , because I was like this is crazy and I and I didn't even do like an out and back . It was a loop , it was like a big circle wild .

Speaker 1

I can't believe it , like amazing . I just want I feel like I should get an award . You should send me an award . I should definitely make you an award for that . I think it and it's fun because it just brings you such for me . It brings me joy when I see it because I'm like I get get all excited because I mean I'm I'm a dog person . So then you were talking about like , oh , I don't know if this is cheating , and that's the best part about it is the rules , just like the growth points , are yours to set . You can set your own rules . I have different rules for races and I have different rules for runs Runs . If I see that dog more than once , he counts once In a race , all bets are off .

Speaker 2

If I see that same dog three times because they've gone to mile three , seven and four , it doesn't matter , it counts multiple times . Also , it should count multiple times because that other person's putting in work to spectate , so everybody counts that . Yeah , I like that . So funny side note spectating the New York Marathon was wildly amazing . Everyone should do that in their life every runner should go watch New York Marathon .

Speaker 1

I . I've lived in New England my entire life and never went to the Boston Marathon . My brother does the paramedics for it , so he's at the finish line . So he has Boston Marathon packets for being a volunteer yeah , and . I told him I was like if you , if you ever get a bib , if they ever give you one , I will take that off your hands in a heartbeat . He has not yet that for you , yep .

Speaker 1

I got it . Do you need money for that ? I will , here you go . It's fantastic . I love that , though I'm I'm , so have you . So you have you counted dogs in any of your other runs since the record-breaking run , or you just haven't seen that many ?

Speaker 2

I've done it a couple times but honestly I was like that was so many dogs that it's like overwhelming to like go count them again , because I'm running like the same route and I'm like . So there was another run where it was like 60 or something like that and I was like it's just so many , it's so many dogs I did . There were some dogs that I count that were like two blocks away that I could see .

Speaker 1

Like I still count . Yeah , I'll do that , I count it . I'll count dogs that are in cars , like I was . Like one time I had a dog that was and you could see his head through the sunroof . I was like you count you 100% count , because look at you , buddy . Yeah . Yeah , and then I'll make a point if I see like a golden retriever or mini Aussie , if they look like my dogs , I'm like oh , you're extra points . Or if it's a person I know and it's their dogs , like , you count extra .

Speaker 2

I love that I should have counted

Running Reflections and Revelations

Speaker 2

. I did see a cat in a backpack once and I was like you should be worth five for me , since I like cats .

Speaker 1

I saw someone walking a cat on a leash and I was like , I was like I saw this many dogs and one cat question mark . Question mark it's strange .

Speaker 2

I wish my cats would walk on leashes . They don't like it . I tried .

Speaker 1

I'm that weird lady that doesn't 0% of me is surprised by the fact that you tried to get them to walk . You're like come on . And they're like fuck you .

Speaker 2

No , I tried a lot , do you ?

Speaker 1

know who we are .

Speaker 2

Yeah , they're like we don't .

Speaker 1

We don't want to do . They can do as they please as cats do . I have some just fun rapid-fired questions that I'd like to ask you about running and just kind of see your thoughts , your opinions or anything like that . So what is your ? I'm crushing this run song versus the .

Speaker 2

Please God , let this run in song in your playlist God , let this run in song in your playlist . The song that comes to my mind I'm crushing this run song is I love ACDC's Back in Black and it's maybe not crushing this , but it's , I'm going to crush this . That's always my very first song on the playlist .

Speaker 2

And it just like amps me up so much . My , please , let me finish this run song . I don't listen to too much music when I run and I would say that actually , my , please , let me finish this run . I wouldn't be listening to music . It would be literally David Goggins , would be like you are it's David Goggins voice . If he made a song , it would be him . That's my answer , just yes yes , it is .

Speaker 2

It's so true , your weekend plans were a weather forecast what would it predict , like as in what that , like what the weather would be ? I love this question . Yeah , okay the weather would be overcast , um , but bright . So like , not like dark , overcast , overcast , but bright , no wind , no , slight light breeze , not wind , slight light breeze and , like I'm thinking , running specific weather , and probably like 48 degrees .

Speaker 1

Right . So what ? Yeah , what is your perfect running outfit in that weather then ? Do you do shorts , do you do leggings ?

Speaker 2

right now I'm wearing leggings a lot , but I think I'm just like overdressing , but I would either wear leggings . Okay , that makes me have like two answers , because I also really love shorts and a sports bra which would be like 55 . So , 48 really love shorts and a sports bra which would be like 55 .

Speaker 1

So 48 to 55 shorts and a sports bra or leggings and like a T-shirt , what is your ? I'm definitely an adult grocery cart item versus I'm actually going to treat my body right . Post long run cart or you're going out of the bodega . You just did a long run . What's your good decision or quote-unquote bad decision ?

Speaker 2

because there's no bad decisions , it's just what you're feeling , okay . Well , how I see this is like when I'm not post long run , I just make decisions so differently than when I am , but I would say , um , when it's me right now , not long run , the meal that I've been making that's so good is almost like an egg white frittata with like whole grain toast .

Speaker 2

So freaking good , with like a whole egg on it . So it's like baked with feta cheese and that's really good . But after a long run , when I'm really hungry , the thing that I always crave is like the biggest fucking burrito ever , Like I crave protein and cheese and a tortilla and like I could eat the whole thing . Or like huevos rancheros , something like that . It's just like I don't know . Maybe it's like the carbs , the protein , like all of it . I just need a big ass burrito .

Speaker 1

So post long run , you are savory versus like a sweet . Oh , absolutely Got it . So what's the most chaotic thing you've ever had to tie your hair up with on a run ? Or were you able to run with your hair down ? You show up , you pull your hair , the hair tie snaps . What the fuck do you do ?

Speaker 2

I just also watching the New York marathon . I was like why are so many people running with their hair down ? I kept being like I would just like stare and I'm like , well , how are they doing that ? Okay , I've used this is the vision that's coming to my mind and in my mind I'm like there's no way this can be accurate . I'm I've definitely done like with no hair tie , where you like try to make like a tight wind and like one bobby pin and like pin it to your head with one bobby pin . I've done that . But it's coming to my mind where I've used like a paper clip as a bobby pin before and there's no way it worked . There's no way that worked . But I would say , out of things that work like a rubber band , but there's no way that worked . Yeah , I probably was running with my hair down because I feel like I have that image in my mind . What's ?

Speaker 1

yours . I definitely have just like braided my hair as tight as possible and , I think , just grabbed as much hairspray as possible and was like thoughts and prayers spray the shit out of it , matte it down and just sprayed it out . If your running motivation was a scented candle , what would it be called ?

Speaker 2

oh , that's fun , actually , look at my scented candle right . What would it be called ? Oh , that's fun , actually . Look at my scented candle right here , I literally have this . It's called Go-Getter , it's it . Then the subline is featuring bubbly notes of champagne and success . And so yeah , champagne Go-Getter . I think this candle itself works . I like that . That's so funny , I love that the body changes . So good .

Speaker 1

Okay , my last one is what is your most memorable growth point moment ? That's a great question .

Speaker 2

I . It's so funny my mind jumps to so many things that aren't even , like , necessarily running related . There's been so many amazing growth things that have happened this year in moving to New York and just how I've changed as a person . So what is my most memorable growth point moment ? If it were running related , I would say that it would either be the growth point moments that stand out the most to me and there's a handful of them are times so funny , like thinking about the theme of this . Well , it makes sense , after the theme of this podcast and all what growth points mean , why it would be defined this way . But is when I ran , for instance , the San Francisco Women's Marathon .

Speaker 2

I ran it for just fun and I remember it was just so fun to do and there were so many people and I went down with a run group that I was with at the time and so there were so many people there cheering on . There was like a group of like 30 of us that were all there and I remember it was one of my best marathon performances . It was one of those four that were in like the six weeks or whatever . And then I remember after that I went back on the course and my body felt so good I just cheered for like the next like two or three hours , everybody else coming in , and that just like running for fun , and having it be such like a and I'm putting this in massive quotes , quote unquote easy marathon yeah , but doing it just because I loved it and having it be almost my PR on a hilly ass course was like super , super cool to go into that just running for joy .

Speaker 2

Another one would be the one of the last marathon . My second to last marathon I've run was a trail marathon and that was like a feat of mental grit . It was in November at Silver Falls State Park .

Speaker 1

It was a flood of mud . Oh , I was just thinking it was that one .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and getting through that and continuing like there haven't been a lot of things where I was like I think I'm going to DNF , like at mile 19, . I was like I think I should pull out at this aid station and I was like you are good , like you can do this , let's keep going . And I just it was such a beautiful race in terms of just like where we were and I think in terms of like my determination , I think I give myself lots of growth points for that race . Yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I love that , Kayla . Thank you so much for coming on today . So what key points do you want the listeners to take away , take home , to put into practice with their own ?

Speaker 2

running . What are some measurement tools that you type ? A person who loves to like track things can track . That will build positive momentum . And one thing I will say that we didn't say earlier but everybody know is we didn't say , oh , I didn't do that today , so it's a negative point . There's no such thing . They're growth points . They only go plus .

Speaker 1

Only go plus . You're not losing points for not going for a run .

Speaker 2

You're not losing points because it was dark and you were cold and you didn't get out . You don't lose points , you can only gain them , nope , and you probably get a growth point there for rest .

Speaker 1

So there you go . Yes , but you probably , you probably needed it .

Speaker 2

Yes , so I would say that I would say the growth points , I would say the joy , I would say focusing on , yeah , the positive momentum and the growth points , and I think that , yeah , it's perfect with what you share all the time too . Add dogs in there , count your dogs .

Speaker 1

Yeah , have fun . Where can people find more about you ? Where ?

Speaker 2

can they follow you ? Where can they learn about what you do ? I love to be on Instagram . Instagram's my favorite place . You can find me there at itskaylajury , so , like it's I-T-S , and then my name , kayla Jury , no-transcript , so that is really important and helpful and fun as well .

Speaker 1

Or if you've ever thought about being a coach and you don't have any clients yet , which is what I have gone through me and Kayla have done a FrameShop workshop . So if you've thought about being a coach and you're like , well , I don't have any clients yet , I can't do this , yet Kayla says , fuck that , you can still be a coach .

Speaker 2

And we're going to set you up to get clients yes . So I would say , yeah , she will help you . Yeah , coaches , college and the Framework Workshop I really found that I've loved working with people who are newer and beginning . And because I'm really passionate about helping people share their skills with the world , helping passionate people put their ideas and skills into the world , because it benefits more people when we do that . So , absolutely , let's make it happen .

Speaker 1

Yes , okay . One final thought what's one big running goal you have for 2025 ?

Speaker 2

Ooh , I do want to race again some way . Somehow I just feel like especially here in New York , the energy at the races is wild . I want to put my name big on my shirt and have everybody be like Kayla . And if I could somehow sneak into the New York marathon not sneak like Bandit Run , but I mean like acquire a bib I'm there .

Speaker 1

I'm there , yeah , for for sure , putting your name in that lottery always , and then , if anyone you know looking for a runner that exactly like did you like ?

Speaker 2

did you decide you don't want to do it ? Do you run a run club in New York that's a New York road runners run club and you have like 10 bibs and you need someone to give one to are you a sponsor for the New York City running or marathon and you would like someone to run for you ?

Speaker 1

Kayla's here . She's ready .

Speaker 2

Absolutely , I will drink your drink and wear your shirt . Whatever you're sponsoring with , you sell bananas . I'll eat your banana and then go run the marathon , you betcha .

Speaker 1

Thank you again , Kayla . This was so much fun . I really appreciate it Of course .

Speaker 2

Thank you for having me .

Speaker 1

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