Sacred Cows and Sacred Wounds: Examining Church Traditions Through Kingdom Eyes

The Gospel Twins explore how institutional church traditions often contradict Jesus's teachings while sharing personal stories about God's everyday care and provision.

• The twins discuss "heaven's winks" - those small, everyday miracles that demonstrate God's intimate care
• Historical breakdown of how Constantine's conversion transformed house churches into Roman basilica-style buildings
• Explanation of how church architecture created hierarchical leadership structures not found in scripture
• Critical examination of modern church practices like membership applications and tithe-tracking
• Discussion of how Malachi's passages about tithing are misapplied to create financial obligation
• Biblical teaching on giving cheerfully rather than under compulsion
• Exploration of Hebrews 12 and how "chastening" relates to athletic training, not divine punishment
• Health tip on drinking room temperature water instead of cold water for better digestion
• Warning about misleading food labels and ingredients to avoid for better health

Transcript

Welcome to the Gospel Twins

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This is the Gospel Twins with your host, Channel and John, your go-to podcast with a kingdom perspective on current events, and the good news gonna end for the culture. Get ready to renew your mind one piece at a time.

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People gotta people gotta welcome back to the gospel twins podcast when you get your mind renewed piece by piece and episode by episode. And I am Sean.

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And I am John.

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And we uh the Gospel Twins.

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Yes, sir. We are that's we have to incorporate some sound effects, bro.

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Oh, what's going down? I told you I got that soundboard.

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Oh, bro, we got to get that in here.

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Okay, yeah. I just working the bugs out, but I have to do that. Yeah, that's one of the I think that's one of the sound effects in that boy, too.

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Oh, man, that's it. That's the sound of sound effect right there. Yeah. So what's up, fam? How you doing, man?

Heaven's Winks: God's Everyday Care

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Good, man. Uh it was a story I wanted to tell last week. Um, I went to uh visit my dermatologist, and I've been on this facial regimen for the last three years. And so uh I had to wash my face with this, you know, with a wash, with a facial wash. Then I uh use a then I use a pad, you know, a medicated pad. That's during the day and the night, then I put this gel on my face. So I've been doing this regimen. But but what's vital to that regimen is the face wash. And the face wash that uh that I originally started using was an oxywash. And you know, they got the 5% benzoid peroxide, then he got the 10%, and they directed me to use my dermatologists wanted me to use the 5%, which is like low and for sensitive skin.

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Oh, okay.

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And um for some reason, bro, uh oxy, I don't know if it went out of business or I just can't find the 5%. They got the 10% boy, but which they say don't use. And um, so when I went to the dermatologist, it was, you know, actually you asked me, was I still doing the regimen? Like, yes. And I said, but it's hard to find the oxy 5% benzoyl peroxide. I can't find it. All right, well, you know, there's some other other products who I've been using, they just don't hit like the oxy, right? I leave the dermatologist, so I was on this on a certain side of town. Like, let me go hit Ollie's up because I you know, Ollie's have uh, you know, since since everything's been going up, I go to Ollie's to get my deodorant and all that soap and all that. Yeah, for sure. And I'm looking at deodorant, bro, and I'm on the right hand side of the aisle. I look to my left. What was there?

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Come on, dude.

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One one tube of oxy one one, not several, one and it was when it like it was like it was like father just sat there. Here you go, right there.

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Look at God, bro.

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Man, I was I was like, thank you, dude.

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That is so cold. I love it, I love it.

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What look, and I was like, you know what? I need to I need to know the are y'all selling this wash or what? I'm looking around, yeah. Bro, no, all I saw was that one, so if they had it, they sold out, but that one there is for me. Thank you.

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It was come on, man.

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Thank you. Yes, bro.

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I love that, man. No, I love those little, I call those heaven's winks, man. Just those little bitty things, dude. You dude, come on. I know, man.

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Come on. I I just left the dermatologist, right?

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Exactly, exactly, and told him that you haven't complicated finding that stuff, man.

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And it's right there, it's right.

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You've been still on your regiment, yeah. But I can't find this one, this one thing, right? There you go. Ain't even looking for it. You go and looking for something else, and glance over, dude. Angel nudge, you on this like, man, look over there, look over there. Like, that is so dope.

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I love that. Oh, dude. I meant to say I meant to bring that up last week because it was just that's dope, man.

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That's the and what makes those type of stories, man, and testimonies so dope is that that's not even something you're thinking really about the father providing for you. You know what I mean? Yeah, you know, it's like the look that that stuff, you're like, man, you know, you know, I want it, I need it, but that's that's not prayer-worthy stuff, man. That's right. But but it's so important to him, man, that that just for the fact that it's in your heart, you want it, man. And and he get and he just provides for it. So in those instances, if you'll do that, what about the big stuff, bro? Yes, you ain't got to worry, you know. He's always showing, I got you, man. I got you, and I just I love his care, man. It's just man, it's it's it's so awesome, dude. It's so awesome, and and that is the message, man. That is the message that God bro, he don't just love us, man. He it's an adoring type situation, man. I mean, yes, it's it's it's an we always talking about how much we adore him, man. But you know, that's that's reciprocated. He he literally said, You love me because I first loved you. I mean, you didn't initiate this this relationship, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? So I've always wanted to be this good to you, you know, from the smallest to the biggest stuff. And bro, I love them. I love them stories, man. I can listen to I can listen to those type of stories all day long, dude. As opposed to somebody, man, I saw don't get me wrong, I love it if somebody was lame and they can walk. Yeah, you know, that's dope, that's beautiful, but it's those little everyday just cares, man, that he just he's there for it, man. And I bro, this is you're talking the God of all creation, bro. And he cared about your oxy gel.

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Come on, bro. Yeah, and we read all these stories, it's in the um Bible. This is today, you know what I'm saying?

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This this is the kind of right, exactly. You know how we get down. I I love those stories, man, in the Bible. I love them, I love them, but bro, it what is going, what is God doing today, man? You know what I mean? What is he doing? Well, you know, Janet as you know, what have you done for me lately, man? God is like, look, you know, I see him in the background being the one going, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, yeah. I got you, bro. I got you. Man, that's the relationship piece, bro. We just want to be there, man.

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You know, I just kept saying thank you, thank you. I just and I was smile. I looked out, smiling like thank you, like thank you, because I've been on Amazon. Man, they don't they just not haven't been selling oxy.

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Come on, man, come on.

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I did find some substitutes before this last uh situation, but like I said, it don't hit like that.

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Yeah, man, and dude, just I just love those stories, man. That's that's so dope. And and people of God, don't take that for granted. Don't don't listen to that and and be like, yeah, well, that's cool for you. And and here's the thing don't ever listen to the enemy whisper coincidence in your ear. Never, ever, ever, ever, man. There is no coincidences in God, bro. There, it's coincidences, he it's it's going along with something. Don't ever think that it just, well, you know, it just happened. No, nothing just happened in God's kingdom.

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No, once I realize that my whole life changed, it does, man. And it just it um it helps me focus on the father

The Problem with Box Church Traditions

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and give him the glory when it happens.

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Amen.

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You know, amen. He's so wonderful, he's wonderful, man. He's wonderful, man. Yeah, it's it's it's a good life, man.

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I mean, it's it's the only life, it's the best, it's it's the best life, it's the best life, right? Like it's the only life, it is, man, because it it it it breeds an expectation, man. When you just have an expectancy for good things to happen to you, you know, it's so easy. We always, man, I knew that was gonna happen in a negative context, you know what I mean? Yeah, oh man, yeah. But if you sit there like, oh man, you know, this is good, man. You know, you're in the situation where man, I don't know what we're gonna do. Look, I don't know how it's gonna work out, I just know it is, though. You know, how you know that? Because man, my my father gonna provide for this. You know, I mean, Abraham, bro. This is he our example with that, man. When the Lord told, go sacrifice your son up on Abraham by this time his relationship grew with the father so so dope, man. He like it said he got up early to go do it, you know, you know, and then told the people that went with him, Hey, y'all way here, man. Me and my son about to go up and worship God, we'll be back. Now he told you to go sacrifice him. What is Abraham told? We'll be back because he also promised me that all the nations of the world is gonna be back blessed through uh my my seed, my son here, Isaac. If if I do kill him, God gotta raise him back from the dead. So either way, we're coming back, so you know, dude, he's talking about going over here to kill his son, man. Man, I still kind of dope. Come on, go.

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I still I still amazed at that story, but the fact that because he didn't, it was just a relationship, but was he didn't have a Bible, he didn't, he didn't. Only point of reference he had was the relationship, was the relationship.

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By the way, that it took 25 years for him to develop with the father till he got to that point. Because remember, he didn't always trust God like that because when he went into Egypt, when they was fleeing into Egypt and everything, going in, bro. He was so worried about getting something happened to him with his wife, man, because I found she was. He was like, Look, they ask you who you are, tell them you my sister, you know. I mean, and God had to defend her because Abraham was oh I know that story be making it mad. King was about I don't mean not to be King did that. You did that.

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What did you say? Anybody putting himself in the unnecessary pickle, bro?

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Yeah, exactly, exactly. Dude, but he had to learn, he had to learn, and he bruh, this is the beautiful part, man. Bro, that's why I love this is why we the GTs, man, the gospel twins, because we always be hitting on stuff, and what people don't realize, man. I say this from time to time, we don't talk a lot about what we gonna, even if we know a topic that we're gonna talk about, it's it's usually maybe the day before, a lot of times right before we start going on, and bruh, we it just flow, it just comes because we are the gospel twins, legit, you know, and I mean people our names, John and Sean, both mean the same thing in her no, it's just crazy, you know. It's just right, it's just it's just it is, it's it's a divine appointment that the father put together, and we just be vibing, bro. I literally just put a quick video together about this relationship and and God being cool with the time that it takes to develop it. It's bro, ain't nobody putting pressure on you to hurry up and you better start.

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We come into the box, yes.

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That's the lead into the box, and that that that and when you said that, I was man, I was having this conversation with uh with the Holy Spirit today, man. Um, this morning, talking about you know, we listened to the to Taylor Welsh in the deep end, and he's talking about the uh the spirit of the spirit of python or Leviathan. Oh, yeah, and and like in the spirit of the python will use scripture and use a lot of truth to deceive you, yes. And but he he spoke about he's like, but once you you know you get that relationship with God, you know he's not gonna rush you, right?

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Exactly.

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So whenever you got anybody like, oh, you gotta do it, or this is this, it's come on, this is right, right. You know, you better buy this, or it won't be available. Right, don't fall into that.

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That is such a uh a Leviathan or Python, and Leviathan just operates at a higher level. Python and Leviathan have very because it's both reptilian style spirits, you know what I mean? So but Leviathan just operates at a more higher and a more cunning level, like when in the beginning, when you see it said the serpent in the garden, he was more cunning than all the beasts of the field. That you're talking about a Leviathan spirit then, you know, when he was bro, but people don't realize when you have these pastors and people telling you, man, you better, you know, you you better get in this line and sow this seed for this amount of money, and and God'll show up for you in this particular kind of way, bruh. If you don't, if you don't, and we'll use scripture to show you why you need to do it. There it is, bruh. If you don't run out of that church fast, then run out slow, but run.

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Bro, here you go, right there. Hey, will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. Me, but how have we robbed you? Yeah, in tithes and offerings.

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I wish I wish I had your boy Rakim here right now so he can so he can growl into the the microphone.

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Yeah, bring all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be food in my house. Let's break that down real quick while we hear, man, about the storehouse and the Levites, man.

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Dude, okay. So we know that God was all about bringing his children to the promised land, land flowing with milk and honey. We know that. 12 tribes, man, of Israel. One of them was the Levitical tribe, which were the priests that were gonna enter into the land. The Levites were not gonna have any inheritance in the land, meaning real estate. They weren't gonna have any of that like the other 11 tribes were gonna have. The Levites was gonna solely have to depend on the giving of the other 11 tribes. The father commanded it. He said, because they don't have an inheritance in the land, I'm gonna be their inheritance, they're gonna serve me in the temple, that's their job. And as they do that, bring in the tithe, bring the 10% of all that I'm gonna bless you with in this land so that they can live, so that they can live. Because Levites ain't gonna have farmland and they're not gonna be uh they're not going into business like y'all gonna be. They're going to serve in the temple, that's their only job. And if y'all don't bring in the tithes, then they don't get anything. There it is. That's that's a whole different scenario from the new covenant uh priesthood, dude. And yeah, the whole priesthood has changed literally. I mean, Hebrews 7 talks literally talks about the changing of the priesthood. It's like after Melchazedeck, and Melchazadech was a king and a priest before the law, by the way, who who Abraham gave 10, uh, you know, a tenth to that was a principle of giving to the man of God because of the blessing that he exchanged with Abraham, but that was not supposed to be something that translated to the new covenant and used Malachi, the old covenant scripture, to bring God into bondage, man. Bro, that that is manipulation and that is witchcraft, and it

Constantine's Impact on Modern Church

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could be ignorantly done. I mean, I'm not saying that people are doing it on purpose, but you're partaking of something that is a demonic manipulation of scripture, yeah, and the tradition of the box church. The tradition, there it is, there it is. We supposed to be just giving freely, okay, bro. Okay. Paul says, God loves a cheerful giver. Cheerful giver. He said, Do not give grudgingly, do not give of necessity. Don't don't give because somebody said you have to give. Look, whatever you did to the least of these, my brethren, you did to me. So, dude, give to a prison, if you got to get give to a prison ministry, get give to somebody that's doing things for people. Don't don't just now if you attend a box, bro, and and we're gonna have to straighten out that everybody to go to a box uh church ain't wrong, you know. You know what I mean? But it it is a lot of tradition that comes out of it that yeah, that is what it is. But man, people have got to realize, dude, that you give of what you can give cheerfully to. I bro, do you it's very few ministries I could cheerfully give to because I don't want to promote their message. I ain't gonna promote no message to somebody that's having sin altar calls every Sunday after church. Why would I do that, man? Because you're you're reinforcing the narrative that sin is still an issue. You you are literally trotting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, totally under you are totally dishonoring and disrespecting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ every time you have an altar call for sin. But you gotta believe that though. You gotta believe that the Father really that exchange between him and Jesus was really legit. You have got to, but when how is it it's hard to when you still think that God has this wrath poured up, stored up for these people that's on earth, and he's gonna pull these, pour these bowls and vials out on the world after he evacu after he evacuated the box church, after you get him out of here, and and just gonna pour the rest of his wrath on the world or those that remain.

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Bro, speaking of that, we just had recently was it last week when people thought the rapture was gonna happen.

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Oh my goodness, bro.

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I saw video, I saw actual videos. Like one lady was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my belongings and who I'm gonna leave it to. Like, wow, she was actually making a video about this.

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She was actually making a video and was okay, it's two things with that. One, it didn't happen. So, you know, so that that's a whole nother thing, and that's because we are in this season of the Rosh Hashanah, the feast of Trumpets, you know, when the Jews celebrate according to their their culture, and they're trying to fit the scripture to make it work with it. So it was the Feast of Trumpets, and you know, at the last Trump, you know, it's gonna have. I've heard people even put the fact that Donald Trump is in office with the fact that it's gonna happen during him because the last Trump, this is the last time he can be in office, bruh. You playing these manipulative, deceitful games with the people of God, bro, is dangerous, and people don't realize that, man. You are tapping into something that you you shouldn't be messing with, bro. And people are doing that, and and and and second, if you are gonna be raptured out of here and God's gonna pour his wrath out on the world, those are left behind, why do you care who's gonna get your belongings?

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That's sad though, man. That people actually I felt the need to make a video, you know, uh an exit video as you.

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They had a whole movie. Tim LaHay had a whole movie series out of it and made millions, by the way, and uh of being left behind. Bro, I bought and the thing is, I'm not just laughing at the I I was one of them people I bought into that too. Now you gotta share the story about a brother that called you up wondering if you were still around, bro. You gotta yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, my friend Edmond Young, we call him Boo Jay. He lives in uh Illinois. I was at work and because I wasn't aware of any of this, you know. And I'm glad I was.

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I wasn't either right, right, exactly.

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He calls me and said, Hey, what's up, man? No, I got a miss call, and so I called him back. It's like, what up, man? He's like, man, I was just checking on you, made sure you were still here. Like, what are you talking about? You know, make sure you didn't get raptured up. Like, what? He said, Do you know people believe to people getting raptured today? I'm like, uh no. And then we both started laughing. I was like, come on, man. I was like, I was like, Did you see any air airplanes fall off this stone? Oh my god, and all I was like, yes, you see any chaos out there because that was the case, then that that would probably be the evidence that was going on.

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But that is happening, right? Dude, this I it bro, it's such a mind job, man. That it literally it it's it's it's a it's a lie, it's a tradition of men, ain't no doubt, but it doesn't change it from being a lie anymore. You know, Paul says we would not deceitfully handle the word of God, man. I mean, if he had to make a statement like that, he's letting you know that the word of God can be deceitfully handled. We saw Satan try and do that with Jesus in the wilderness, bro. And if you don't have a straight up relationship with the father, you can fall for it. I ain't talking about having a relationship with the scriptures, you because the Pharisees, Sadducees, doctors of the law, all of them, they had a relationship with the scriptures, bro, but they had no relationship with the father, Jesus, in fact, so much so that he called them the sons of the devil. Yeah, can you imagine somebody calling you the son of the devil that ain't attending your box church, by the way? Yeah, and calling and calling you the son of the devil, and you know more scripture than anybody.

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They hit their pride, man.

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Bruh, so much so that they they got personal with Jesus. Like, we ain't the sons of the devil. They like we we weren't born in fornication, unlike you. You know, you know, your your mama got pregnant outside of wedlock. People knew that, bro. People did this is why I said that Joseph tried to put her away privately, he tried to send her off. Why? Because people was people was realizing, man, that like, oh you, oh, you know, she oh she's supposed to be stoned, bruh. You know, the bruh, it's that's a whole nother conversation, but you know, but man, uh the this is what this is the type of stuff that comes out of the box truck. I mean the box truck, the box truck, it might as well be, might as well be a box truck. You know, you know what's blowing up nowadays is food trucks is blowing up everywhere, you know. So it's just extensions, man, of these restaurants and people now just going, you know, but they bring in the same now. Don't get me wrong, this is obviously metaphorical, man, because I love food trucks and bless God that people are doing it and getting they getting their money on. Oh, yeah, for sure. But but the uh but the metaphor is that yeah, you got a lot of these people that's coming out of the box truck. I mean the box church, the box church, but they're carrying that same tradition with them. They're trying to add a little flavor with it, but it still had that same foundation of of what the box church offered, man. And it I like to say that the box church is is very reminiscent of like a Sam's Club, uh uh Costco. You just get all this dick stuff, these and you get it in bulk, and you get it at a discount, and that's what people are getting. Their faith, they're getting their faith in bulk and they're getting it at a discount, dude.

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And um, as we know that uh man, Constantine was behind all of this, man.

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Um speak on it, yeah.

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Because you know, uh quote unquote Christianity, people that followed Jesus had to go underground because people were getting persecuted, so that's why they were having it in people's homes. And so when Constantine got converted to a Christian, he wanted to make it legal, and so he would take over these Roman basilicas, you know. And you know, these basilicas were made a certain way, and they were, you know, they you know, uh, they were made in certain ways, so that's why a church the way it looks the way it looks now, right? Because of the seating, you know, but these basilicas was for law court, they were for absolutely, yeah. Absolutely, and so uh Constantine thought it'd be a good idea to model churches after this, after that, you know, the judge sitting on the front, you have all the people and so all of that, UN is all of that right now.

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It's bit based off of that, man, because it comes from the word Basilia, which means kingdom. So you you took a model of the kingdom and you you you changed it, and now it went from being court-like houses to church houses, what was being called church houses, but it brought that same air and mentality in with it, and it brought that, and now in we as we was talking uh before, man, that we was uh, you know, the pastor, the modern day pastor have, you know, his seat is different from everybody else. You know, he got he he got this grand, a lot of them now they didn't kind of dialed it down and it ain't as grand. But when I grew up, bro, uh the doggone chair that the pastor said sat in looked like a throne. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I mean, they was bigger than everybody else's chairs, they was, you know, the the center, you the way that it was put to to maintain the symmetry, you know, three three chairs to the left, three chairs to the right, you know, and that's where your elder sat, and and and you sat in the big chair in the middle, and everybody got up and handled the little meager parts of the service. But when it was time to bring the word, man, you had to introduce the man, and here he comes to the stage, basically.

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Having somebody carrying the Bible and oh my god, my my former pastor, my family former pastor had security had one person on the east side of him, had somebody carrying the Bible. Wow, and uh yeah, man, it was it was it was almost like a worship, bro.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Dude, it is, and they and they got in there to call you like an armor bearer or something like that, or people that do that kind of stuff. Dude, Jesus was the opposite, Jesus would carry stuff for his disciples. Jesus would, when it was multitudes, there was often that Jesus would tell his disciples, man, okay, y'all can go go home because they had homes when they had families. He's like, Y'all go ahead, y'all go ahead and go. I'll I'll go ahead and finish up with the people and send them off and send them away. Bruh, you don't see that in the box. Church, the pastors come in after everybody in, and they leave before everybody go. Because it's almost a superstar thing. Man.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

It is. It is. And when did like when did this when did Constantine start this? Was this like this was like 300 AD?

SPEAKER_02 30:10

This was, yeah, this was, yep, absolutely. This was this is hundreds sent like 300 plus years after after Christ, man. And bro that same that same spirit has permeated down through the ages, man. Well people don't understand the spirits don't they don't go away. They the same, unless you banish them, unless they get, you know, you you cast them away, they they move, bro. You can cast a demon out of somewhere. This is why when you saw demons when it came to Jesus, don't make us lead the region. Send us out of here, send us into that, or you know, them pigs or whatever. Bro, they they move around, and the only way to get rid of them is to actually get rid of them. You cast them to the footstool of Christ, you know, or however you put that, or however the Holy Spirit leads you to pray that. But if you just cast them out, bro, they just go somewhere else. That's it, you know, it's like kicking somebody out, like, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

And you know, and in these basilicas, as time went on, there were modifications made to the basic structure to accommodate Christian rituals, man. Yes, yep, and adding you know, and you know, and part of that was you know, add the cross the cross light shape.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

I don't mean to laugh, but it's just when you just when you when you get the knowledge and you know, and like you say, it's like laughing at yourself, man.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Yeah, I can't I can't believe I've I I fell for that, man. It's almost like if I would have stepped back and just thought of it from a common sense standpoint, I would have known this wasn't right.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

You know, I mean, bro, you churches met to the church came together in in the homes, and they were speaking and talking and conversating about things concerning the kingdom. It said that Jesus at the resurrection, man, they said that he hung out with the disciples for 40 days after, yeah, discussing the things of the kingdom. When you read the epistles, he said, cause this to be read among the brethren and talk about it. It's like you just read the letter and just like, okay, well, man, we talk about it. Like, what do you think Paul meant when he said that? What do you well? I mean, up against scripture, and and of course the scripture they had was all old covenant, you know, they the the New Testament was being written, so

Leadership, Idolatry, and Membership

SPEAKER_02 32:45

yeah, you know, it's like what do you think he meant? Well, what do you well? Well, it looks like it was like this is what the scripture was saying, and Paul is kind of expounding on this, and it's it's it was like talking going on for hours, bro.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Hours, yeah. First we and then back to the act, um the architecture of the building. What was that you were talking about? About the uh the front of it. Is that the front up you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 33:16

That was this the steeples. Yeah, and and man, and I you know, I want to do a little more research on it because uh, you know, of course, I don't want to just be passing the information, okay, okay. Uh, you know, and I and I haven't gotten the the solid foundation because again, I'm listening to a study somebody else did.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

So, you know, so I want to do it for myself and and and know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

All right, but what we do know, and that we know we talk about the cross, this you know, it's a sign of the curse. And our king was was crucified on that. So it's just like when he when these box churches have this this cross on there, it just it just it just signifies death. Yeah, and and then you know the first two basilicas or uh the churches that Constantine built was on the gravesite of Saint Peter. Wow, and Paul.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

What do you think about that, man? Man, that's placing these on top of tombs, bro.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Dude, it it's it it man, it it's just it's it's terrible, dude. It's terrible because it what you it it's setting up the the basis and foundations for idolatry, it that that spirit of idolatry, man. Who is Peter and Paul? They even said like who are we, bro? Yeah, we we just the people by whom you believed, man. We we're not the ones who saved you, dude. So having a it but that idolatry, that idol, that worship of leadership has per it permeates through the box church, bro.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

You know, and then like the and then like the membership. That's one thing I like about Pastor Miles Moreau and he's you know becoming a kingdom citizen.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Citizenship over membership, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 35:20

And I when I in my last church, man, I had been, I didn't know anything about it. I was just new, I didn't know anything about membership. I just I just figured that because I was coming every Sunday and I was participating and I was volunteering for this and that, then I was a member, man. I I I volunteered for the children's ministry. Uh I performed there. I did a uh Yeah, instead of beating, it was called Read It Talking About the Bible. Right, right. And then um when we had a picnic, I was cooking. Yeah, and then I remember something came up to where it's like, yeah, I'm a member. It's like, no, you're not. Like, what you mean? I'm not a member. I've been coming here for months, and I've been doing this, and like, oh, there's a vetting process, and then you gotta fill out application.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

I had to fill out application, and I was like, What? I remember my mom and I both were like disappointed in that.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

The bruh, bruh, that is application. I don't even want to say what that is, bro.

SPEAKER_03 36:24

Well, yeah, right, right. But you know, they need the application, they need to have you.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Oh, you would be able to explain it. Man, you can explain it all you want.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

Yeah, you know, so you can be recorded, so we know how much money is coming from these.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

You'll know your ties and all this stuff, bro. I couldn't stand that. I never put my name. I you know what, I did. Let me stop. Don't let me lie. I was gonna say at at first, and towards the end, before I actually exited out of Christianity, I stopped putting my name on the off the the envelope. Like, man, you're not gonna so what? If I want to do something, you gotta come and look and see. Because you know, you there were benevolent funds that people, you know, that you could try and access if you had issues, you know, financially or whatever. Man, they hit your record. Not that this ever happened to me, but I know people that went and did it. They they go in your records, bro, to see if you, you know, were you a tither, and that and that gives you access to if you can get the that's such a turn off. Oh bro, it's real, man. It's real, man.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

People need help, and you care about that?

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yes, gotta see if you bro, if your faithfulness merited, you getting help. If you ain't been faithful to the church, you know, then hey, how you you expect us to just open our coffers up, man, and just and just help you, and how we know, you know, bruh, it's it's whatever their motives were. It it just it's it's it's not reflective of Christ's character, it's just no, not at all, it's just has nothing to do with Jesus, bro, at all. But it has everything to do with traditions of men, of men, traditions of men, which is the one thing Jesus says cause it neutralizes God's word, it just caused it not to have no effect. It's it's not that God's word is ever void of power, but if you choose a tradition, that's what I used to all I used to use the word tradition as a grammatical construction that conditions fit for trade, you know, it's a tradition. I'll trade this for that, you know. Uh I'll trade being humble and patient, you know, for being exalted and raised above the rest of the flock, man. Because that's all you're doing. Yeah, that's all you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Man, Jesus had to be Jesus had to be pointed out because he didn't stand out.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

He did what man, come on, it had to be pointed out because he didn't stand out. Come on, come on, bruh. Which one is our kissing? That's our kissing, come on, bruh. He didn't have no robe, didn't have nothing that was distinguishable, man. Nothing, nothing, bro.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

These traditions, I mean, and man, I'm so glad I was able to break away from Christianity. When I look back, and I I do cherish the relationship that I did have. Absolutely, absolutely man. I get I get kind of upset. Like I feel like I was like I had the wool pulled over my eyes. I was just I get so upset at some time I think about it, man. And even though there are good times, sometimes I look at that stuff as bad times, man. And I just but I was fed, and I I wouldn't be at the point the level I am now if it wasn't for that.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

But if you didn't have to see it, because God is good, because God is good, yes, he is, he's he's faithful. Yeah, that's the that's the thing, man. Don't ever don't ever discount how God can still work through a situation, people because people will sit there and say, but but people, so much blessing happens, you know, at my church. You just don't see understand the miracles that happen and this and that. How can God not be be there? I didn't I never we never alluded to the fact that God is not at the box church, that He's not there, He's in the people, He's He's there. Yeah, we are the church, we are the church, right? We just happen to be in this building, that's all right exactly, exactly, and his love is gonna is gonna shine through no matter what. I mean, Jonah was a was a disobedient prophet running from God, and in that situation, yeah, he's and I mean this dude was running from God so much so, and and Joe that where he he running a terrible storm hits, and these these ship hands, these dudes that know the waters and know how to break the seas, bro. They like this is it was so bad that they was like, This is too this is something super natural. Who who is responsible for this, man? And and your boy Jonah, look, this is my fault. You know, I'm a I'm a prophet of the God of heaven that created heaven and earth, and and I'm in rebellion against him, man. And uh, you know, this is my fault, bro. My my bad, bro, my bad. I mean, they and even after they know it, they was like, Jonah's like, you gonna have to throw me up. Here's the thing, here's the rub, bro. Jonah, like, I ain't jumping, right? Yeah, but y'all, if but if you want this, if you want the seas to be calm to y'all, you're gonna have to throw me off the boat, bro, because I'm the one that's causing it, dude. And it said they did not want innocent blood on their hands, so they tried to to do even more to try and make it to land, and they started getting rid of their ladens, they they merchandise and all that stuff, bro. Trying to save the and then it got to the point, like, oh bruh, this we all right, we gotta toss you, bro. And then they find, but look at how much they lost, yeah, yeah, before before tossing Jonah, and but but even in that man, God introduced himself to those men through this disobedient prophet, and now they understand about the God of heaven and earth, and that is real, and you know, and this is the kind of stuff that goes down if you disobey him. You don't think the men after that got to know who you know, seeking out who who this God was? Last time they was ported in in Samaria, whatever. Yeah, they was asking I got to tell me about this God, bro. I mean, this dude is out cold, you know, like dude. But hey, there it is, man. You know, God is still good in disobedient situations, man. So don't ever mistake God's faithfulness and goodness for somebody else's.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Right, right. It's just I just looking back like, man, and some of those traditions, I just I think back of them, I just uh back back on them. I just get kind of I get kind of heated. And also, too, uh my freedom, you know, once I left the box church and uh started to understand um the relationship and getting the freedom. I I think back and I'm gonna tell this story. I think my wife would be okay with it, but I'm gonna tell you. She was never she didn't like the church, man.

Biblical Context vs Church Traditions

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Um, but I I was she saw that I was growing and she was, you know, she was being obedient, and you know, about me being a head of household, so she followed me. But we both were at a different point, and you know, we both transformed. We we all transforming every day.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

But back then, man, we was we we still had one foot in, one foot out, you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

Sure, absolutely, bro.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

We would uh we would get out of church, man, and sometimes we go grocery shopping, but then after we go grocery shopping, we would go go try go to the party store, man, and like this was like uh every Sunday routine and we would hey we try to try to be covert about it and like go to different party stores.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

Oh my goodness. No, and nothing trying to spread it out and I don't get seen.

SPEAKER_03 44:57

Yes, not only would we go to different party stores, we would each take turns and go ahead and like it's your turn.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

It's your turn to run the risk. It's the the members of the box you knew that they somebody like gamble coming down, man.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

They had to deal for you, man. About to get one free.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Oh, come on, man. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 45:49

Man, we were leaving out there with nine boys, man. And this was a time when my wife and I had a refrigerator in our bedroom because we didn't, you know, we didn't want to have the alcohol in the refrigerator in our bedroom.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

Right. Just in case somebody came by. Yeah, right. Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

It was Sunday, so you managed, man, Lions game or whatever game. I watched a sea. Come on. By the end of the game, we passed out, bro. I don't miss it, but that all that dude, it ties into me and my memories of the box church.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Uh but yeah, I would say this though. Uh I I did run into some people, man, you know, and uh run into some people, and you know, they were doing their thing too, man. Right, for sure. So it's like once I got once I got understand freedom and and I started owning what I was doing, I was like, well, whatever, man. But yeah, it wasn't, but yeah, that was just funny, man.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

That's real. Yeah, dude, that's that is the kind of stuff, man. Cause because the church does not deal the box church, does not deal in liberty, man. It deals in condemnation, bondage, bro. It because it has to keep you coming back, you know. I I can't really offer you a match, and and and again, I don't mean that these are people that's doing this on purpose, they're just perpetuating the tradition. That's it, but but the tradition was set up somewhere, just like you said about the the church, the Constantine. This that was set up somewhere, and it can and it was at 300 years after Christ, and it then made it down to this 1800 years to you know to this day, bro. And um, but it got set up somewhere, and and all people doing is perpetuating the lie, they're perpetuating the deception, and they don't even realize they are. Many of them don't. Some of them selling snake oil, and they know they're selling snake oil, bro. But but um some people are doing it, and they just have the majority, I'm willing to say, is doing it, and they have no idea that they that they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

So then you have all these religions birthed out of people and leadership that start a new religion to conform to their lifestyle, and so bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah, and then we are people of God, we're in battle with each other, and it's like, man, we just we have one faith, one baptism, one lore, and and one book, bro.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

How does we how do we all have these different interpretations out of this one book, bro? I don't understand that, man. How is it possible that this many people can look at it's only in the Bible? Well, I can't say that because other religions fuss over. They they argue over the interpretations of their own holy scriptures too, but yeah, but uh man, dude, how do you argue over this thing when it's just contextually speaking? I Holy Spirit man had me that I was up this morning about three, man, you know, because I was you know, I knew we knew we were gonna talk about the box truck on this one. And man, bro, he woke me up talking about Hebrews 12. So we know in Hebrews 12, if you read the whole context of Hebrews 12, it's it's loaded. I mean, it's got so much stuff in there. But one of the things that it talks about is the chat, the chastening of the Lord. It says he chastened those who he loves. And if you don't, if you don't open yourself up to his chastening, um, you know, you're not his you're not his son, you know. So so but people think chastening is God allowing something to happen to you, uh this, you know, or bad situations come as a result of your sinful behavior or your disobedience, when it has nothing to do with that with that. I believe the Hebrew writer is Paul. Yeah, and but I ain't gonna argue about it. But the thing is, the dude is the person when you read that, if you look at it from when the the chapter opens and all the way through, he's actually making references to, and you have to know the Greek words in different um verses to know what he's talking about. He's literally talking about the Olympic Games or the games that the Romans used to have. Yeah, and when he's talking about chastening and all of this stuff, he's talking about what athletes would do to their bodies, like to be to get prepared to be, you know, in those games, man. And what people don't understand too is that just like today, when you're looking at boxing or MMA and all that stuff, they were naked, bro. This was considered naked if you just covered your genitals, but but your shirt is off and everything is off. It don't mean that they was had butt naked or not, but it just means they just like a boxer, you know. Yep, they they just didn't have no stuff on a sumo wrestler or whatever, bro. They they they and that's what when you read when he says lay aside every weight in the sand and easily besets and stuff like that. So I'm gonna take off the stuff that would be restrictive. They they they wouldn't do the training and the games and clothing because they couldn't run as fast. You couldn't do and they didn't have spandex and stuff back then, but it's it's basically the same thing because spandex is nothing but a uh outer skin, yeah. It move it's not hindering when you do it, so it's like God is chastening, he's buffeting, telling you to do that to your flesh, and and studying and expanding and stretching you and doing all of that. It's literally talking about that. It's it's not talking about God is gonna punish you. Do you know when you go and and it's actually the the the Greek word when it says that God exercised the man who's exercised by the chastening of the Lord that it could produce peaceable fruit and holiness? The exercise, the word is actually gymnato, is where we get gymnasium. It literally means that, bro. Do you know when you go to the gym, you are punishing your body?

SPEAKER_03 52:38

Yeah, that's how you get the results.

SPEAKER_02 52:40

The results that you are chastising your body, you are chastening your body. But what are you chasing it for? To that it becomes more fit, that it's able to realize more of its potential, you know, to get better. This is what God does, He's making us better. So Jesus learned obedience through the things that He suffered. It does you're suffering when you have to be put in a situation where you have to utilize your faith, your patience, your your mercy, the all of this the gifts that are spiritual, bro. Somebody flip you off, you're in or somebody call you out of your name and all this, bro. Do you know when them ears get hot and that face get red and you want to respond in the flesh and you don't? Dude, that's that's hard. Yep, you you are chastening your flesh, dude. You are putting your flesh through some stuff, man. And that's what that whole chapter is about. And if you don't recognize that, he even says, This is how we I'm doing this so I can run my race with joy. Paul loves some sports, man. He did. He he loved sports because he loved mastery, he he loved people that mastered the things that they did, and he used it. He he used the Roman soldiers are you know, armor to talk about the armor of God, yeah, used the anatomy of man to talk about the body of Christ, me and one members, one of another. And all the dude was a master storyteller and using the things of that day to bring in, but just like Jesus was how do I like in the kingdom of God? Jesus didn't even talk to the multitudes unless he was talking in a parable. He he didn't expound scripture and stuff to the multitudes, talked about agriculture, man. Absolutely, things that people can relate to and be able to put the kingdom of God in practice into and and of course we gotta hit this too. And by the way, people, the Holy Spirit is not so fragile to where it comes a sacred time in church where you can't move, you can't walk, you can't chew gum, and all of that. That is absolutely a tradition of a man orchestrating that. Jesus had to heal and preach the word and the gospel of the kingdom through cows mooing, uh camels spitting, not to mention all of them dropping poop as they go. Jesus had to minister in some very uh unsavory environments, bro.

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Come on, man, think about the times, man. People had to like if somebody had to take a leak, man. They was running to probably go to a tree. Absolutely, you know, uh leading themselves, man.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

So yes, yes, indeed. They didn't have outhouses and stuff like we got today and all that stuff, dude. They but people gotta put themselves in in that actual frame of mind to recognize the kind of things that that all of them had to overcome, and they didn't have the luxuries of the box church and sitting in, you know, AC and all that. Folk was funky, folks was you know, people was passing gas, people was, you know, arms was getting a little, you know. Some of these people was riding with Jesus three three days at a time, yes, listening to him, dude. Come on, man. That bo was getting real, bro, in a lot of them situations, not to mention a lot of them how they animals with yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

What is what is we doing, bro?

SPEAKER_03 56:28

It's the box church, man, preaching this traditions, and like yeah, yeah, you can't chew a gum, man.

SPEAKER_02 56:35

That's gonna make the Holy Spirit, people's salvation is on the line, and you chewing gum, just send them to hell, bro. You better recognize you better, they blood gonna be on your hands because it's delicious, yeah. We and we laugh, man, because it's first you gotta have a sense of humor about it, and secondly, bro, we went through it. Sure did we went through it, we was part of it. We was part of the box church, man. I you know, I I never wanted to take um responsibility for my own relationship with the Lord. It was easier to go and what do I do? Uh just pay my tithes, listen to what you say, take some notes, and uh when

The Real Meaning of Chastening

SPEAKER_02 57:30

I'm talking to somebody about the Lord, you need to come and visit my church, you know. Yeah, yeah, you know, come come to my church, invite people as family, friends, there to church. And I'm not against that. Don't go and have fun and do all of those things, but if they if it's really fun, yeah, and not just luring people in and setting people up, traditions and routines.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

It's it's easy to fall in that routine, and that's like and I was like, I was doing it routine over on getting on that hamster wheel, yeah, and my relationship with the Lord wasn't growing, no, it wasn't growing until the pandemic, man. Uh you know, I was able to sit myself down, things was quieted.

SPEAKER_02 58:12

Yes, it was nothing but me and the book, dialed dialed the world, the world was dialed down, and um, I was able to come out of there, and man, that was one of the best things that ever happened. Sorry, better for it. Yeah, it was a lot of tragedy to happen, but yeah, see, the thing is, man, you look at that, and a lot of people was talking about that was the judgment of God, bro. Dad, that was God's mercy and and giving us that reprieve, man. Because do you know God would kick the people out of the land, the promised land, when they wouldn't let the land rest, bro? Yeah, yeah, I'm I mean, he kicked them out for so long, man. He was like, for every year you didn't let my land rest, that's how long y'all gonna be kicked out. I wish we could do that, man. I wish we could do that. Just let the land rest for a little bit, bro. And we can. The Lord, actually, the Lord's like, look, if you follow his plan, he was like, Look, six days, work it. Seventh day, let it rest. Six years, work it. One year, let it rest. Bro, can you imagine if we had a society where we would do follow that, and every six years you got a year off and and God would still supernaturally make sure that all your needs were met? Oh man, dude. When you first got married, the Lord said the man can't go to war, he can't go to work, he can't do nothing. It's time for him and his wife to bond for that first year. Do you know if we followed that bro, you would hardly have any divorce? Man, some eastern culture still do that, man. Some still do it. This is why they train you to have a diary when you. You when you grow up, man, saving money for your future and saving money. You literally had the people that had arranged marriages. You had to give their family money for that woman, dude. Yeah. Because it was to show the father, I'm gonna be able to take care of her, bro. I got her. You know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Uh, dude, this I this western culture just go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

Don't, don't, I sleep when I'm dead. I do, you know, this, that, this, that. It's either one extreme. You either working so much you can't enjoy life, or you so not willing to work, you can't enjoy life.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

So it's like these fools, and these, and this word my wife don't want me to use about fool, these fools.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

You can't use the word fool, bro. It'll send you to hell. You heard what Jesus said. You heard what he said. Just playing sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

They're trying to raise retirement to 70, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

Like, right, right. Because they want you to work even more to where when you do retire, you ain't gonna be man, you didn't broke your body up so bad to where you can't really enjoy it anyway. And then guess what? And put it in this in this 401k, and so I can tax it again when you go to pull the money out. Because I taxed you back in the day when you was working and putting them in there, I was taxing it, and and I'm gonna tax you again on it, man. Dude, this and also, too, all the money that you put in in social security, you might not even get it. You may not get it, because you know what? We had to borrow against that, you know. We had to borrow against that, yeah. Dude, this this this that's why you gotta follow the kingdom, gotta follow the kingdom. It is the own, but but again, and even when you read in that Hebrews 12, people of God, just read Hebrews 12, and and it's easy today because you you can ask AI, you can literally ask whatever AI you have of choice. I I particularly enjoy perplexity. Thanks for turning me on today, bro. Yeah, complexity. Yeah, you can literally go and give a Bible verse and tell them, can you give me the break, the Greek breakdown of that, or give me the Hebrew break if it's an old covenant thing, and they break the words down. I never done that, man. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Dude, I'll do it in a minute because I'm be studying, and then because you know, the AI is gonna search the internet to get other the deeper stuff, so I can see that it was Gymnozzo, was gen and you know where we get gymnasium. I could draw that conclusion just by studying, but then I go and ask the you know, perplexity, hey, how was this used in the day during the Roman Empire? You know, you can get that specific. Oh, yeah, that's how yeah, and it goes and it breaks that down, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

That's how I got my information about the box church. Oh, see, and the basilicas and all that, oh, yeah, and some yeah, Constantine.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:16

Oh, yeah, yeah, yep. Bruh, we are like way without excuse in our generation to act like Lord, I didn't know I was, you know, but you could though. You just you you you gave into the traditions of men, and bro, it's so serious that, and I know we gotta wrap this down because you gotta talk about a nutritional fact, bro. But um, the people don't realize, man, that the traditions of men, God was so against that that Jesus at 12, Jesus went to the temple. Everybody knows that's when Jesus stayed. His parents had left, they was gone a three-day day's journey before they realized he wasn't with them. They they took so they turned around and went back, and it took a day to get back, and then it said it took a day to find it, and he was at so that's three days Jesus is not with his parents, and he said he was at the temple with the Pharisees and them, man. And it said that he was asking them questions and answering stuff, astounding them. And when they found me, he's like, Jesus, what you would you do this to man? Why would you do, you know, make us do this to us? He's like, Do what? Didn't y'all know I'd be about my father's business? So Jesus is thinking in the traditional mindset of a young Jewish boy. I'm 12. It's I I know I'm called to ministry, and it must be in the temple. So this is where I'm at, and this is where I'm about to start. Dude, it said they took him and he was humble. I mean, he humbled himself and submitted himself to his parents, and it was 18 years later before we see Jesus again at the temple. Dude, why? Because God was rescue my son, yeah. Because they get a hold of him. This is why Jesus could man anytime you see Jesus ministering, know he's ministering or out of an experience that he himself had to overcome. So when he says, Look, woe to you, Pharisees, and you side the seeds, he said, because y'all go here to and fro and here and far to find a proselyte to make him twice the son of hell that y'all are. Do you know Jesus saying, like, if I would have let if I would have remained in y'all hands, do you know I would have been way worse than y'all? Oh, Jesus couldn't have got turned. He couldn't, oh, he couldn't. Oh, just like Adam couldn't. Jesus was just as susceptible to be turned as as Adam was, dude. He had to actually actively use his faith. This is why I said he wasn't, we don't have a high priest that can't be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but he was tempted on every point, just like us, bro. He had to overcome everything that he's telling us that we can overcome.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:59

Man, check the think about this. Jesus was man as well, he was born of a woman. Yes, he was. Adam was not.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:07

No, he was right, right. Adam came fully packed, bro. He got caught up, and he's dealing with God the Father directly. Jesus is in the hands of people that are training him in the ways of God. This is why I said Mary and Joseph was tough, bro. They they not only not only does she have oh, everybody was man, that virgin birth, man. But okay, but after you birthed them, you had to raise him.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Can you imagine having the responsibility of raising God in the earth in that religious culture and society and keep him from getting caught up in the in the traditions of men?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

Yeah. Dude, stop it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:52

Before we stop, man, um I want to keep in mind that I want to talk about what we learned. We learnt about on the deep end podcast about the days, the seven, the six days.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:05

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Oh, I'd like to do more research and drop and drop that on the people to God.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

Yeah. We need to get into that and and actually have a show just about that, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:17

Because I've had I have a Facebook friend that's that they point to that of that part of the Bible where they can't believe that the Bible is real. I I can't believe the six days. Right. Right. But I wish I had, I wish I had the knowledge, and I didn't think of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:36

Oh, so yeah, I'm gonna come back with that. But man, yeah, but man, go people of God, go watch the deep end uh podcast, Taylor Welch, and it's the which episode is it? I forget what it was called, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

Um it was the last one with the uh the physicists, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

Yeah, yeah, the physicists on there, dude. Oh, that was such an amazing episode, and it answered so many unasked questions that I had, dude. I didn't even know they even think to ask them type of question.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:12

Yeah, right. Uh it was called Oh, it's called The Origin of the Universe.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:18

The origin of the universe, man. Yeah, go check that out, people of God.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:23

Physics, the physics of Eden, the ice age, and fine-tuning.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:28

Yes, dude, that was dope. That was a dope podcast, man. I enjoyed it great.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:34

Yeah, I'm gonna go back and listen again. All right, man. Let's let's wrap this up with this uh health tip. Yes, sir. So I've been online talking about my water machine, which I need to start. Holy Spirit put it in my heart, like you need to start doing this. Start blessing the people about the water machine. And so uh so one of the things I I found out yesterday. Well, one thing, my my water machine is called the Congan K8 water machine. It's uh it's a machine that produces more than more than uh it's produces seven pH levels of water. And you it's so many uses with it, man. Money, your mind, body, health, and even your household. Wow. And um, you know, you got one one pH that cleans fruit. You got another one that uh disaffects the countertops. You can clean, cut grease. Wow. And you got another pH that uh that uh it's called

Health Tips: Water Temperature Matters

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

beauty beauty water, you spray on your face, suppose it's a it's a skin, it firms your skin.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:40

And then there's another pH where it's just pure water, just clean it's called clean water. So this water I use particularly to uh take medication and supplements, and uh when the grandkid when the grandbaby's over, we use that water to make the formula with oh okay, yeah, yeah. And so uh I learned yesterday, well, I've known, but I did some more research about drinking cold water because I I I've always drank room temperature water.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

Yeah, you you blew my mind with this one, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

So what cold water water slows down the digestion, constricts blood vessels, and makes your body work harder to warm it up. So we gotta understand our body is 37 degrees Celsius, 90 degrees Fahrenheit. So any water that's colder than 37 degrees makes you gotta make your makes your body work to heat it up. Oh man. And and doing that over time, it leads to bloating, stomach pain, and weight gain. Wow. It's just from drinking cold water.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:45

And I love cold water, yeah. I'm always putting ice in my water over and over again, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

Throughout the day, throughout the day, and also you're told to you know, like an animal. If you see an animal, like I got two dogs, yeah, they eat their food, they eat their food first and then they drink, right? You know, like as humans, we we drink as we eat, as we're doing it, yeah. And so uh especially with water, it may be juice is not that bad, but with water, it dil dilates, it dilutes, I'm sorry, it dilutes the acid in your in your system, so it makes your food harder to digest. Wow. Expert says that to eat your meal and then half hour drink, I it's hard for me to do that. Right, but I will I will eat my meal first, and because you gotta eat a certain way, because you gotta you can't scarf your food down.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

So if you eat that's what it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

So if you eat small amounts and eat and you know and chew your time.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

And chew it up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:50

So then you're able, you don't need the water to scarf it down, or you know, you feel like you're choking. Uh but yeah, you gotta chew it down. But yeah, the water is the way you consume your water is very important, and uh yeah. So I uh what I do now, I wait till I finish eating my meal and then I drink my water. Wow, you know, wow, but like like I said, if it's fruit juice, this is different, you know. You can you know, because it it it blends with the food, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

With the food, yeah. That's bruh, that's crazy. I never I never knew that, man. I never knew that. And uh you and man, you'll be uh proud to know, bro. I got my water right here on the side of me, and I didn't put no ice in it, bro. There you go. No, I took it, I took it at room temperature, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

Yeah, your body, your body's thanking you for it, brother. And one thing I'm starting to learn learn is that your stomach is vital to your whole health, man. You know what they say. Oh man, your gut is so important. So you take you take care, you take care of your gut, your gut, your body take care of you, and wow, that is something. And so that's why you and I talked about I was talking about the seed oils and soybean oils, yeah, canola, and sunflower oil, and they put that in so much, so many things that you purchase, but it is it's going against your it's going against your gut, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

It goes against your gut health and causing crazy, dude, because all of this stuff, man, that you just and but you said something the other day, man, that was just just hit me, man. It's just like you like when we go through the grocery store, just because we see it packaged up and then they're all nice, we just we just trust that everything is all right, you know. Yeah, it's all good, man. I mean, look at how nice it looked, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:41

People bless best believe these companies are more concerned about their profits than your health. No, yeah, so you have to be super vigilant. Oh my goodness, to read read those labels and watch certain things to avoid it, and because it's getting to the point where people are growing their own food, yeah, yeah, boiling their water, drinking the water, yeah. Because you have to.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:08

I mean, this but this is why people trying to get it, this is why they want to try and control social media, man, because of how much knowledge has been coming to light about a lot of stuff, man. And they it's hurting the bottom lines, bro. It's hurting the bottom lines, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:25

Nothing Netanyahu was just recently asked, like, what's the what's the most important sale going on right now? And it's like people are throwing out these uh answers. He said, No, TikTok and X, yes, man, media and tick. Look at that, and he said it. So if he said it, man, it gave me calls to pause to pause, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

Why? Because controlling the information, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:51

Yeah, and one thing I like about TikTok, man, it's it's international. You're getting all this information in.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:57

Um and I love TikTok shop, bro. I mean, oh what?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:01

Man, I'm a man. When it goes away, I'm gonna miss it so much. It's is it really gonna have to go away, though? I don't know. This up in the air. I don't know. I wish TikTok shop could have its own app.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:13

Its own app, yeah. That you know that would be dope, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

Because once you do once you westernize it, man, the price is gonna go up.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

And and you're gonna start seeing these uh ingredients being added to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:29

Oh man, you gotta hit. I know we was getting ready to pull up, but you gotta hit off what it is when you read natural flavors, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Okay, natural flavors. That's one of the things when I when I read my labels, natural flavors isn't in pretty much everything that you eat. And um, so natural flavors means so many ingredients. So they won't, they they can list it as natural ingredients because they don't have to necessarily tell you what it is, but because they only allow the government and these uh corporations only alert allow a certain amount of these ingredients in the food. So natural flavors could be anywhere from natural flavors can be from the fruit or whatever, but that also means mice poop, mice hair, nets, ants, and uh insects and and and rodents.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:22

Because it's natural, because it's natural, because it's hard to keep those sift all of that out of the dude. That is so crazy to me, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:33

Yeah, so if you can find some product that doesn't have a natural flavoring, because natural flavor sounds so hey man, that's great, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:44

You know, it's got natural, it's the natural flavor of whatever this is that I'm purchasing, and it can be that, but it also could be a whole plethora of other natural flavors.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:57

So you found if you follow nutritionists, um, they'll tell you to avoid at all costs, avoid natural flavorings, avoid added sugar, and avoid seed oils. Those are that's the trinity right there, man. Uh, natural flavorings, added sugar, and seed oils as soybeans, sunflower, sapphire, all that, all that's bad for your stomach.

unknown 1:17:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:25

So if you can avoid that stuff, and um, and I told you about this, I talked about this before. The enrichment process, or you see enrich this or modif, yeah, enriched flour, enriched grains, or modified this.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:39

I got a lot of it upstairs, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:42

Yeah, so yeah, uh, if you eat bread, man, go get some Dave's bread. Get Dave's bread.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:47

That's I've been getting that Ezekiel bread.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:50

Oh, yeah, that's too that's good too. That's good, yeah. Yeah, Ezekiel and Paul and uh Dave's power seed, which is does not have any sugar, but it's sweetened with fruit.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:00

There you go. So you got the natural sweetener.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:03

So that's how I get that's how I get down.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:05

That's man, dude. Yeah, so much, man. It's so much, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:10

Yep, gotta take care of this temple, man. You know, like hey, like Paul said, man, you gotta run that race, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:16

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely spiritually and that's right, absolutely. Gotta gotta chastise this boy, man, and uh and get in an alignment, man. And I'm working on it little by little, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:32

I saw this. You say glory to glory, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:36

That's it, that's it, dude. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:39

It took me a while to get here, but I'm I'm getting in. I'm getting better myself, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:43

That's what's up, man. That's what's up, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:47

All right, people of God. There you have it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:50

There it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

The box church.

unknown 1:18:52

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:54

Pray, pray on that, people of God. Really, really pray on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:58

Yeah, yeah. Talk to God about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:00

Talk to God about that. I love it, dude. Well, and we love you, people of God. Yes, we do. Peace.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:09

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