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Gun Violence, Forgiveness, And The Cost Of Convenience

Sean Hicks and John McArn Season 3 Episode 5

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Unforgiveness sits at the center of the heart work. We explore how resentment functions like a spiritual cancer that blocks prayer and hardens empathy. It’s not just whether we forgive others; it’s whether we pursue peace when we know someone holds a grievance against us. Reconciliation is not always possible, but responsibility is. We examine the difference between the letter and the spirit: how God’s mercy reframes rule-keeping, how love seeks the person beneath the behavior, and why selective literalism collapses under the weight of real life. Scripture’s heartbeat is love; divorced from love, the letter kills.

From there, the brothers widen the lens to systems that normalize chaos. Mass shootings pass through the news cycle with grim regularity while leadership chases easier headlines. Guns remain easier to access than training requires. Vice becomes frictionless: sports leagues marry betting apps, disclaimers stand in for safeguards, and addiction markets hide behind “choice.” We’re not anti-gun and we’re not prohibitionists, but we argue for responsibility: training, registration, accountability. Freedom without formation is just risk exported to neighbors. Bearing one another’s burdens means designing guardrails that protect the vulnerable and the impulsive alike.

Health becomes a parable of policy. We break down the “dirty dozen” produce that concentrates pesticides—strawberries, grapes, blueberries, leafy greens, peppers—and why organic matters for thin-skinned fruits and greens. Then we ask why real food costs more than engineered food. How is peanut butter with two ingredients double the price of the jar with twenty? Because profit, not wellness, drives supply. When it’s cheaper to harm than to heal, public health becomes a subscription. The market incentivizes shortcuts, and the bill shows up later in our bodies. Saying grace at the table matters; so does changing what’s on the table.

Beneath all of this runs a thread of hope: the Comforter. Joy isn’t denial; it’s oxygen. We talk about sustaining joy publicly while fighting private battles, and how prayer shifts when we drop sin consciousness for son consciousness. If God is love, then our words, our policies, and our prayers should align with mercy, truth, and practical wisdom. That means refusing to worship symbols over realities. Jesus is King isn’t a slogan; it’s an ordering principle. Crowns over crosses, spirit over letter, people over platforms. When we choose that order, families reconnect, prayers regain power, and communities get safer—not by accident, but by design. Please subscribe, share, like, and comment.

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This is the Gospel Twins with your host, Challenge John, your go-to podcast with a kingdom perspective on current events, and the good news gonna end for the culture. Get ready to renew your mind one thing at a time.

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People, people of God, welcome to the gospel twin podcast when you get your mind renewed piece by piece and episode by episode, and I am Sean.

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And then I am John, and we are on the Gospel Twin. What's up, bro? What's up, man? You alright?

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Yeah. How am I sounding over here? I'm still getting used to this sound card, the soundboard over here, man.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay. No, you sound good, man.

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Okay. Okay. I know I gotta stay right in front of the microphone because uh Yeah, man.

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Yeah, I got I got that dirt, yeah, bro. I got this side, but what's up, man?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, man. Um, you know, life continue. Uh oh man. Oh, bro. Um, I got an inbox on Facebook from my nephew, man. Um, my brother I haven't seen since '97.

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Oh man.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, man. Um he sent me a mess like uh you're the brother of my um my my dad, Andre Harris. I'm like, huh?

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Wow.

Nephew’s Shooting And Heart Check

SPEAKER_04

I'm like, it wasn't registered, man. I was like, uh, and then the next day, Holy Spirit was like, Your brother, Andre. I'm like, oh yes, I was back because I was hesitant, man. I didn't I didn't want to say nothing to him, and I'm like, oh man, I said, man, I haven't seen your dad since 97. And wow, and and before that, the last time I saw him, he came to my graduation. And uh gave him gave him my information, man. And um, my brother called me yesterday, and he informed me that his wife discovered me through the moot music book podcast.

SPEAKER_03

Wow, wow, look at that, dude.

SPEAKER_04

Isn't that your brother? Like, yeah, wow, man.

SPEAKER_03

Look at that, dude. Look at that. That's sweet.

SPEAKER_04

Wait, wait, so did you connect with him or yeah, he's um he he does editing for NBC, I think TNT, some other stuff. So he's gonna be yeah, he's uh he's flying out to uh Michigan to do a piston game, bro.

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Look at that, dude.

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And that was the thing about it. When I last time I saw him, he was at a piston game. Uh you know, at the palace back in the day.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay. Y'all gonna yoke when he gets here?

SPEAKER_04

And so that's what we we're trying to figure it out because he's only here for a couple of days, and yeah, I was telling my work schedule, and so we gotta try to figure this out.

SPEAKER_02

Um, y'all gotta do that, dude. Y'all gotta do that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, but he said so. I was like, he lives in Florida, he lived you know near Orlando. I'm like, yeah, and he I said, I've never been to Florida, so you you know, you give me a uh reason to come down there. Yeah, for sure. And then my nephew really wants to meet me, so he was like, Oh man, yeah, he was like, uh, yeah, he said my son really wants to meet his uncle.

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That's what I'm saying.

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But yeah, he um that brother's very he strange for my dad. Um so I was informing him about my dad's health issues, and he was very indifferent. Very indifferent, man.

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Sure.

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Yeah, that's why I didn't even and it was like, wow, I didn't want to tell him any more, man, because he did it resonate with the city.

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Yeah, yeah, it was there. It was there. I feel that man.

Unforgiveness As A Spiritual Blocker

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What's up with you, my brother? Oh man, you know, you know, as you say, life be life and dude, but I like to say Christ be Christ and broad. So you know, I just keep on uh walking and step with him. But uh speaking of nephew, you know, as you you know, we were talking, man, and you know that uh my nephew, man, just uh recently got uh he was shot and um he in the hospital now, he's stable. But um man, it's just you know, and the only reason why I bring it up, bro, is because you know, when I heard it, when I heard about it, um my bro, all my mind, all my heart was was that like, oh man, he wow, you know, I just need to uh get you know get to him and and love on him and you know and let him know, you know, his unc is here, you know, because man, I I haven't, you know, really spent a lot of time with him, and it's a lot of backstory behind that um since my father, you know, passed, uh, you know, several years ago. But uh man, you know, I just didn't, but but recently, man, like for the last month or so, Holy Spirit's been dealing with me about unforgiveness, man. Like, you know, just you can't have it, you know. It's just like a point, like he just brought it up, and I'm thinking, like, well, you know, I I know that, you know, you know, I know you can't have unforgiveness, but um, man, just really been uh, you know, it takes a minute for our lightning fast minds to catch on when the Holy Spirit is talking to us that he's like, you might want to wanna search your heart a little bit, man, and uh make sure, you know, that you straighten that area. So um, yeah, so it was some things, man, that I that I had to uh to let go of. And um, man, just to get me to this point, because here's the thing, bro, that when you're praying, unforgiveness is a is a spiritual blocker, you know. If you if you want to if you want to say that something's cancerous in the spirit, now I mean obviously that you know there's a lot of different types of cancer, so but in the spirit, man, cancer would be a big one in the spirit would be unforgiveness. And so much so, man. He said, Hey, but by the way, if if you got unforgiveness, uh get that squashed, you know what I mean. He's like, you can just stop right now, you know, what you're what you believe in for and everything to get that done, get that dealt with. And um man, I just it it really connected with me yesterday because you know, he needed prayer on the spot, and he needed prayer that you know was powerful, that that can work, you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And uh yeah, man, and there were some issues that had happened between him and I, to whereas I know he had unforgiveness towards me, and that's the thing, it's not just the fact that you have unforgiveness towards a person. Um, but if you know a person got unforgiveness towards you, you need to be trying to get that squashed. You know, it's not just you not having unforgiveness for them, it's knowing somebody got beef with you, and and you're not trying to reconcile that. And um, if it's in you to be able to do that, to get it done, as Paul said, if it's so be in you, you know, you need to handle these these things, man. I mean, if it's in your power, you know, if that person is still around, if you can get to them or whatever, you need to you need to get that, get that white, you know, resolved and get that removed. And um, yeah, man. So it's just it's just shows how wonderful and the faithfulness of our father, man, and Holy Spirit just dealing with me, you know, weeks prior to this, to this event, man. And um, yeah, man, bro. It was yeah, it was it was a it was a moving moving moment for me. It was surreal. And um, yeah, man, but he he's stable, he's doing well, and uh, I couldn't talk to him. I went to the hospital, but I didn't know because it, you know, when you have GSWs, man, you know, gunshot wounds, they they get different in the hospital about it, you know. So he had a restricted visiting list, and and I wasn't on it, so I I couldn't go see him. But um I'll definitely uh get with him, you know, when when that restriction is lifted or he gets out. So yeah, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, praise, praise to your nephew, man, your family.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, appreciate it, man. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04

Just it's it's crazy when um when I first got together with my wife and we, you know, talked about our backgrounds and we you know, we're from Inkster and she's from Celine. And so I was telling her, you know, things how you know things I grew up with and and a lot of stuff, gun violence was part of it. And um, innocent or not innocent, but just the fact that this she was never just around that type of sure, you know, that type of lifestyle.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely.

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And it was just easy for me to talk about because I was just used to it.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right. She wasn't normal, right?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, it was normalized.

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It had been normalized.

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Normalized chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Exactly. Exactly. And it's true.

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And and I as a talker to her, and I sat back, like, yeah, this it's normal to me, and it shouldn't be. Right.

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That's the problem that it had gotten normal.

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Yeah.

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Um because you know, my mom just uh just got the hospital. I don't know if I told you my mom went to hospital. Um she's out now, she's back at home.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Um while during her stay from one of her neighbors, you know, she had a uh her name is Calvin. Calvin's cool. I don't know. Uh I don't yeah, I think my mom considered him a friend. But anyway, he he's you know, he's the uh he's the apartment builder, gossiper.

SPEAKER_02

He's always that guy. He's that person.

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He called my mom for the he called my mom with the tea. He said, I got some I got some tea for you. What you know they need morning tea, the tea.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I know, right. I got the scoop. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Somebody, you know, she lives in the um in the senior um building, senior home, man. Somebody had shot, man. Police policeman shot somebody in the lobby.

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What come on, bro?

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Yeah, in the lobby, man. All this old folk, man. So it's yeah, I guess they're starting to get strict. Um it's one of those buildings where people just coming in and out.

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Yeah, exactly. Sure.

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Now they have a security guard because there was some crazy stuff going on in the building. Um, I was told um one of Jen's friends, uh boyfriend used to work there, and he was like, tell Jen to get her mother-in-law out that building, this and this and that going on.

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And um This was going down up in up in the senior senior living facility. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Bruh, what product, prostitution, like what?

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Yeah, come on, bro. Really? I'm gonna tell you what was a trip, man. Is when I went, you know, because he was in the hospital, using the D, bro. You know, so I went to uh and I ain't gonna I ain't gonna put the hospital on blast at the end, but uh bro, I'm going into the emergency room, it's a doggone satellite dpd station in the hospital, dude. In the hospital, the Detroit police department is in the hospital, bro. They got a station there. I'm like, and of course, man, when I went in, bro, I had to go in through the metal detectors and all that, man, and uh, and I'm like, what is up? But this particular hospital is is like kind of known and reserved for bringing like gunshot victims there. So that's the poor is in full effect in the hospital, dude. And here's the thing because they, you know, and when I was trying to get on the on the list, you know, my sister was there. She's like, Well, this is his uncle. How do you know how do I get him on the list? They was like, well, it's like uh, it ain't something that's gonna happen like right now, you know, it's he's got to put in for it, and then then they gotta get approved. But here's the thing, he's on the loud so many people. So more than likely for him to get on the list, somebody's gotta get took off. And when they're took off, they they offer good. But what had happened was they said earlier that day, because when it's a gunshot, when you're a gunshot survivor, the thought is when they put you on lockdown, whether it's you're innocent, biased, or whatever, you're just involved in a gunshot crime, you know. So, bro, they put you on lock because if you live, their concept is the gunman may be trying to come to finish the job, you know, like just come on in. And so they they locked the list down, and they said, actually, somebody had so his list was locked down in a in a in a serious fashion because they said somebody had come to see him, and when they was trying to figure out who he was and to approach him to get more in uh and you know, insight to who he was, dude took off. So, you know, so they like we don't know if that's something personal, like he just don't want, you know, maybe he got some other issues going on with the popos, and if they know who he is, you know, it'll it'll come up in the system, or you know, was this some foul play? They don't know and they don't try and they don't take a risk with it. So, bro, it's just they've seen it all, they've seen it all. Yeah, bro, and it's something, man, until you go into that world, it's you don't even know. You know, you don't even know it's like that, bro. You see the stuff on TV, but yeah, it's different when you when you step off into it, man. And uh dude, it it was it was a trip, man.

SPEAKER_04

Um, when I was living in West Willow, uh down the street was a sm uh was a mini police station.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it was right down the street. Uh right on the um on the property, the same property the church was. Um yeah, the church, and then next to it had a small, uh small police station, man.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, are you talking about in Angster?

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No, West Willow.

SPEAKER_03

And West Willow. West Willow. Really? Because they didn't they have that same kind of hookup in Angster off Middle Belt, man, like the little side light police station back in the day was like off the church, uh a church parking lot back in the day. I can't remember, but you know, man, I wouldn't the pol not the detroit, but the police department next to the church, bro.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, what what what what is the what is the I mean because you had um and then you man, I remember remember uh they put those barriers, those barricades up.

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Yeah, it was crazy.

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It was like you put us like you know, like one way in, one way in one way in, one way out, bro. Yeah, absolutely, and then and then on the street they had these huge speed bumps, like oh yeah, because you ain't flying through here, and yeah, nope, yep.

SPEAKER_03

If we gotta chase you, you're gonna tear it up before you get out of here, bro.

Normalized Chaos And Policing

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Yeah, speed, man, it was like, and I remember the uh I can't remember I can't remember what church it was, but it was a church that like marched around, then be man. Yeah, as they call it little Saigon, Lil Saigon, yep, and you know, it was so it's like you know, you know, if you if you treat them like animals, they're gonna act like animals. And it's sad, though. But you know, it's what it is, the deep, the deep issue is the guns, man, until uh until the government figure they wanna put stronger restrictions on there, um it's gonna keep happening. I think it was another uh mass shooting yesterday. Um yesterday or Friday, uh North Carolina. So it's just gonna keep happening. Um last time I count, man, it was um, let me look this up, man. But it was we in the 300s right now, man. Uh currently, uh mass shootings. Wow. And it's getting normalized, which is sad.

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Yeah, it is, man.

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It's dude, it's it's it's just like, man, well when when you man, the best you put it the best way, but you know, you treat you treat people like animals, man. They you know that's how they're gonna behave. That you speak to the fool in a person, it's the fool that's gonna respond. You know, you speak to the criminal, whatever, because we all have these potential uh aspects of who we are, man. If you walk in great light, yes, bro, you can you you are the person that has the affinity to to if you flip, you'd be one of the darkest people ever, bro. You know, if I know for a fact, bro, if I if I wasn't walking with Jesus, dude, I would be a terror, and I don't mean necessarily like a criminal as far as robbing people and all that stuff, but my my deception game would be so tight because it was before I came to Christ, yeah. You know, you know what I mean. My I was I walk in a great amount of light right now, bro. But when I was out there, I bro, I lied for nothing, you know, and I mean I was good with deception, dude, back in the day. You know, I was I was that dude that come around that you know, that Eddie Haskell type dude on the urban tip. I love Eddie Haddie, you know. I mean, I was I was Eddie on the urban tip, dude. You know, all of the parents love me, thought I was that nice kid, bro. But you know, man, I got serious crazy plans for your daughter, and uh oh yeah, you know, you know what I mean, and I mean, and I'll I'll have her define, break your laws in a minute, you know what I mean? Just and make her feel like it was her idea, you know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, ultimate manipulation against making things their idea, bruh. Just man, lie to my parents, dude, you know, and my mother, man, literally just thought that I was just the salt of the earth as a kid, you know. She was like, My boy, don't curse, don't bruh. I was I just I just knew enough to do my dirt away from the house. You know, I didn't bring it around my family, you know.

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No, like you had those parents like I know my child. No, you don't.

Mass Shootings And Policy Paralysis

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No, you don't, you really don't. No. You really when they ain't when they not around, boy, you you wouldn't even want to follow them with a camera. You would not want to see it, dude. It is it's heartbreaking, and um, you know, and just magnify that, man. Magnify this is why I tell people when people say that God is, you know, when they use the fact that he's omniscient, you know, he's all knowing, he's omnipresent, he's all everywhere at the same, you know, at the same time, and he's all powerful, and all those things about him is true, but God for his own his own sake, yes, his own sake, he does not operate operate with it with us like that, man. Because he he bruh, it's stuff that he don't want to see, you know. He don't want you don't want to he don't want to see it, bro. This is people don't understand that, man. That you know, because they just think that God's omnis are out of control, like his like he don't like he can't control it, he knows stuff whether he wants to know it or not. No, he can choose to not uh he's he literally took in love. What did he say in the chapter of love when Paul is teaching? He said, Love first. Let John says God is love, so know that, and then he goes, but then Paul goes and gives specific breakdown of the characteristics of love in 1 Corinthians 13. He said, Love suffers everything, love believes everything, love thinks no ill will, love doesn't keep an account, love doesn't. I mean, he's giving all this stuff now. If God is love, and that's how love is, then that means God is bro. This is why prayer and all this stuff is necessary. This is why angels present themselves and come to God and He's like, What's going on? It's it's angels that give reports to God about things that we do, because he is not just piercing in on everything, looking at everything, man. Because, bro, he wants to stay in love, he doesn't want to judge us, man, because he's holy. If he saw every single thing and looked at everything we did like that, bruh, you wouldn't be you wouldn't last 10 steps when people talking about like God can see your thoughts. He ain't reading your mind, he's not, he don't want to see all that, man. Cause because by his very nature, he has to judge unrighteousness, dude. Yeah, so if he beheld, that's that's why I said he doesn't behold any guile in us, man. He sees his part, he sees the image and likeness that we're made in. He doesn't look at our behavior and say that's us. You know, we look at a person that committed a crime, we say they are thief, you know, a person that tells a lie, you a liar, you know, you know, you're a cheater or whatever. God doesn't call us by the things we do, He calls us by name, by who we are, you know, in Christ Jesus. And and we have to be the same. Yeah, we have we have to be like that with each other, man. That's when I found out and heard that, you know, um my nephew got shot, you know. Bruh, first thing you hear in religious people, you know, I'm talking to them about what happened, and it's you live by the sword, you die by the sword. What this is this is what we going with. You know, you know, when when you live that lifestyle, this you don't know, you don't even know what happened, you don't know this, you don't know the lifestyle this person lives. Only the you instantly equated it with something being ill and foul on behalf of the person that got shot because they got shot. You know, what was they doing? You know, they what was they doing where they was at? Bro, that is these are not the conversations that God wants us to have, these are not the default thoughts that He wants us to go to. The thing is, somebody made in His image and likeness experienced uh a tragedy, and we're supposed to do as the people of God, as His church, as His body in the earth, we're supposed to have the same thoughts and responses as Christ, you know, and be there for people. He said, All man, do bro, do you know that Jesus never had an altar call for sin ever?

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Yeah, it's gonna be thousands, millions, even maybe millions today.

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That is not the that is not how Christ is. I mean, the one article I really recall him having, you know, and when if you call it that, is when he was in the marketplace and he yelled out that all the people who are burdened and heavy laid, come to me and I'll give you rest for your soul. I'll give you rest for your soul. He didn't say, Come to me and and show me how bad you are and how how sinful you are and what you've done. He said, Come and I'll give you rest for your soul. I'm meek and lowly in spirit. And he was like, My take my yoke upon you and learn of me, because my yoke is easy and my burden is light. And man, the box church Christianity does not have a uh an easy yoke and a light burden, bro. It's it's heavy and it's it's it's accusatory, you deserve what you get, basically. You know, you better hurry up and come to Christ before you die out here in your sin and be eternally lost. Um, bro, come on, man.

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So many our brothers and sisters uh on Facebook had uh have those messages, I'll have those uh all on their timeline, all these videos, repent this and this. Before we get into that, I won't I had looked it up, man. There's actual there's an actual site called the Mad Shooting Tracker.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_04

I'm looking at it. MST Mad Shooting Tracker. Wow as of today October was today, 26th? 26th, October 26th, 414 mass shootings.

SPEAKER_03

Man, come on, dude.

SPEAKER_04

As of 2013, January 1st, 2013, 6,946 mass shootings.

SPEAKER_03

So so you're saying the 400 and something mass shootings is just from this year?

SPEAKER_04

This year, yes. This year. Wow. Alone 2025. And since 13, 2013, 6,946. And it even tells you it's been two days since the last mass shooting.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness, bro. Yeah, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04

The second amendment means is everything to everybody. So um, not everybody, but uh majority, a lot of people, uh they love that, they love that Second Amendment.

Letter Of The Law Vs Spirit Of Love

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Man, see man, any anything can be taken uh out of context or it could be over-contextualized, man. And instead of understanding, it's like Jesus, you know, when when he says the words I speak, they are spirit and they are life. He's like, listen to the spirit of what I'm saying. Not not even though his words have a literal impact, it's the it's what he's inferring, it's the spirit aspect. Pause is the letter kills, it's the spirit that that make that gives life. If you just go by the letter of everything, man, dude, nobody can stand up against the letter. Nobody, not even God could stand up against the letter. And let me give a context to what I mean by that. If people say that God, He there's no liar, the scripture says this no liar shall inherit the kingdom of God. It says no liar, so that means anybody to tell a lie, basically, is what you would say, is is totally just out of God's graces, his will, and everything. Bro, do you remember in um in the book of Exodus, man, when when uh the Pharaoh and the um they wanted to kill all of the male children, and he wanted to throw them in the now so they could be eaten by alligators and and all that stuff. He said, kill all the male kids, kill all the male kids. It was Egyptian women that were assigned to uh women, the Jewish women who were pregnant. If they had male children, you were supposed to report it immediately because there's a a standing edict of assassination on all of the kids, the male boys. It said that the Egyptian women, the hand women that was there, because they feared God, bro. It said that they would tell them when they had male children. They would let the Hebrew women hide them, you know, take them somewhere. And when they would show, when the soldiers would show up, they'd be like, Oh man, the Hebrew women, they just so quick when they had a babies, like before we got here, they had already had the babies and gone. That's a lie, bro. Yeah, that's a lie. But it said, God bless those women's household because of what because of that. Oh, wait a minute, God bless lying because it's the spirit behind it, man. They don't want to see the kids get murdered. So they told it ain't a white lie, a little lie. It was just a lie. It was, but we're lying to the people who are coming to kill these kids. It's just like somebody say, like, man, you know, did you see if you know the police is sitting here hunting down and you a Christian, and you and you see all these people that's coming to, and you know that they come in to let's say go after some some boy, and you might have a thought of a person because they're African American, they going after them, and the police roll up on your set and be like, Have you seen him? And this and that and this no, I ain't seen them. And he could, and you could have just seen them. You do you think you gotta stand before God and give an account for that? Because you just lie, you lie though. God doesn't, he doesn't stop it. Yeah, stop. You you have no personal what you have is a relationship with these dead letters in these books, but you have no relationship with the with the God that authors it. It he's a person, bro. He's a person, and he feels like we anyway. He don't feel like us, we feel like him. We our emotions come from him, bro. You know, so he he will what do you think mercy is all about? Mercy is something that God implemented. We didn't start mercy, he did. Why do you have to have mercy on somebody? Because they're violating the law, they're break they're they're they're doing things that are against uh the the laws, and and God don't we do stuff all the time that's against his perfect will, bro. But he implemented mercy. Why? Because I don't want to judge you like that, yeah. I don't want to do that, man. And bro, Christian sucks, man. I don't and the only reason why I say that, not the only reason, but one of the reasons why I say it because I was a Christian, and and I talk to Christians, and most of the people I talk to are Christian people that I hang with, you know, because they are believers, but their brand of believing is so skewed and perverted, man. And I can say that because I was one of them. I was the same way, bro. You know, and what do you do with those types of scriptures when you come across it and in the word like man, how did God bless people for lying, bro? You know, I mean, I've literally heard, and people tend to steer away from these types of scriptures because they really don't have an answer, you know, they don't they don't know how to reconcile that with with God, so they don't want to deal with it. They don't want to, you know, they don't want to talk about it. Thing is, but the spirit of why why did you say that? When your if your wife stands before you, bro, and tell you how she looking something and she don't look that good in it, you are you gonna oh baby you hidden that you hit bruh you better, you better quote unquote lie about your your true feelings. You know what? It look it looks good, but you know what, but the that other uh joint you got though, whoo that's hitting now that look good. I mean if you want to wear that you can, but man, why that other one though? That other joint, you know, dude, you what is wrong with us, man? We just act like God is not holding this robotic relationship, man, where everything's gotta be, you know, so cold and calculated and anyway. Sorry, bro.

SPEAKER_04

No, I'm just it's just uh I can't remember what country, but they got gun, you know, they got gun laws, straight gun laws, and and violence has gone down. I can't remember the country, it just escapes me at this moment. But um but they uh but this country here, man, they still want to think that uh the British is still coming. The British is coming, or or just or just or just be or just be armed just in case just we have to fight the uh fight the government or something.

SPEAKER_03

You you're preparing you you're preparing for something bad. And bro. Yeah, that's fear. Yes, yes, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_04

That's just and because of that, and again, we we having all these mass shootings, and it's not like this mass shootings were the adults, man.

SPEAKER_02

I mean it's right, they're with hard kids, bro.

SPEAKER_04

In school, where they learning, you know. Yes, yes, you kiss them goodbye, one of you know how to do that.

SPEAKER_03

Never thinking that come to see them again in churches, school and churches, two to places where you would think it's just you know, should be very safe.

SPEAKER_04

And and and bro, but that's and I I have yet to hear, and I'm we know we know we're not that the administration or the government is supposed to say, but they're not even speaking on it, they're not even talking about it, talk more talking about uh ill illegal illegal immigrants and stuff like that. While all these mad men, like I said, what is that five four hundred and fifteen so that's crazy, bro? And you're not even talking about that.

Mercy, Judgment, And Church Culture

SPEAKER_03

That's crazy because and these people illegal, because you gotta talk, because then you gotta start having a conversation about uh you know the revision of the gun laws and things like that, man. Bro, it you do you know how much, bro? Let me tell you, man, and I know you know this, bro. It is not that hard to restrict guns, it's not that hard, bro, to stop um stop drugs. Is bro, it's money in it, and that money is filtering to people who are in the politics, are in the political arena. It's there's lobbyists, that there's legal lobby and there's illegal lobby. Bro, but the money is all still green. If the person can be bought, bro, it doesn't matter who's doing who who's selling it. If you can be bought, if a million dollars is your price, bruh, it doesn't matter from which side it comes from, whether it's somebody that's legally doing it or a legal person stepped to you, man. Let this slide through. Why don't you relax the borders right here and let us get bro? You ever seen that movie with Tom Hanks? I mean, not Tom Hanks, I'm sorry, Tom Cruise. Uh it's called some American something, man. And he was uh it was back with your boy Escobar and all in that. He was like flying drugs in like do you do you remember that movie? I forget what that movie was, but bro, he would one of the land one of the landing places when he got uh bringing it from over there to here was at a military base, man. And they was helping him unpack the drugs and get it out of there, bro. You can't you cannot have like same way, man. You want to see all these crimes that's in urban neighborhoods and communities, bro. Uh, you think that it's accidental that you put that gunshots exist there, alcohol, you know, liquor stores and all this stuff, bro. You you funnel that stuff into that community on purpose. You're doing that on purpose, dude. You don't stop, and it and it's just like at some point, man, the people gotta wake up. It's you know, you just gotta wake up to it, man. Uh, Paul talks about awake to righteousness. You that sleep, it's just like man, you sleeping, and just wake up, man.

SPEAKER_04

Just wake up. Well, serving, you know, like you can't serve two masters, and you can't. You can't money is being served, and and and check is out. And I'm sure you know what's going on. We heard Chauncey Bills got arrested.

SPEAKER_03

Oh man, I was cold-blooded.

SPEAKER_04

You got these other players too, but it didn't surprise me. I mean, the NBA got in bed and partner with with casinos embedding, and it's like, you didn't think this was gonna happen, right? You know, you right, man. Look, the TV, the uh my I was talking to my brother. We were talking about uh, because now you know now uh NBA is on NBC, but they got so many uh channels that you get you know, you gotta like search for your team, right? You know, they can be Peacock, NBC, can be on Prime, right? And um he was like, and then I was like, yeah, uh, I see some of them Bally's, which Bally says changed his name to FanDuel, so he got a channel called Fan Duel.

SPEAKER_03

So listen to the name, bro.

SPEAKER_04

Fan duel, the duel of the fans, the league getting in bed with these casinos and bettings, so yeah, they gonna take the money and they're taking the money, and it's like it's so much you can and then they give you the little disclaimer if you have a betting problem.

SPEAKER_03

Uh oh, so I'm supposed to self-analyze myself. I'm gonna admit I got a betting problem, and I can bet and I can bet right from the comfort of my own home, bro. Yeah, I don't even gotta I ain't even gotta go to the bookie no more. I ain't gotta go to a casino. I bro, they got the casinos is right in your hand, in your hand, everything them, they're giving you the money line. You can get these alerts, all these alerts all day, man. I ain't gonna bro. I ain't gonna even lie to you, dude. I ain't I I didn't dropped a few on draft games. I ain't gonna lie, I have. I have, I really, I really did. Why? Because to me, it was it was like just the it's fun. I know I don't have an issue, and I can just do it. I can drop the five dollars. I have the discretionary income to do it. But what about but if you make it legal for me, then you also make it legal for the the the thousands or whatever that don't have that discipline, yeah. You know, so it's like it's like they say you gotta take candy from a baby, man. It's like you can't you're trusting people to do things that they are not uh equipped for, you know, that they they they just don't have it, so you have to take it from them. It's if gun I'm not against guns.

SPEAKER_05

Me neither.

SPEAKER_03

I'm not, I'm not against guns, but I'm against guns being in the hands of people that they're not supposed to be in the hands of. You know, if you if you don't take the class to to actually acquire firearm and pass all this and go register it with the police station and all of this stuff, you won't be able to stop the gun violence, but man, you would 100% cut it down very, very significantly because you can't stop violent people. Because if you took all the guns away from people, then the knife stab is a go up, you know what I mean, or stuff like that. So it's it's just a more convenient way of cutting it. But at least you got a chance, though, though. That's true. No, no, I bro, I agree with you. I agree.

SPEAKER_04

That's all I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03

No, it's not. That's not because here's the thing do you know how many people you was in the military, bro? Of course, thank God you was in there doing the you know the peace time, but bro, you do you know how many people actually get killed by friendly fire? Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, you people stop watching TV and thinking you can just pick up a gun and shoot it, bro. I've been to the I go to the gun range, I've been there. You it's not as easy to shoot a gun as you think it is, and that little ice cube stuff to the side that you see them boys in the hood and putting the gun to bro, you ain't getting nobody but the person that you wasn't intending to hit. Yeah, you have to learn to shoot. We have to learn to drive, we have to learn how to do all this other stuff before we get licenses for them. But a gun, you just gotta be of a certain age or whatever, and don't have no felony on your record. It's promoted for you to go and take firing lessons, but it's not mandatory, right? Bruh. Okay, this is I I'm not for prohibition either, man. Like making people that know alcohol don't exist, but bro, when you can just go in here and a liquor store and it's everything around you is alcohol, dude. It's the only thing that'll keep a person uh first. You can steal it. You if a person wanted to really steal it, they can go in the back, you know, stuff it in their underwear, whatever. They it's ways to do it if you really wanted to take it like that, so you can't stop it.

SPEAKER_04

What about um paying the homies to go, you know, cop boy?

SPEAKER_03

Bro, there it is. I'll that that's exactly what I was about to say. That's 16 year old outside. Hey, bro, I'll give you 20, run in here and give me some do it for less. I buy your pizza. Oh, bro, it was two dollars. I remember like two and they come right on and hand it to you.

SPEAKER_04

Thanks, young brother.

SPEAKER_05

Right, right, right, but you just gave me this craziness, bro.

SPEAKER_03

This this in this world, bro. If we don't take if we don't take this stuff, man, and one of the things, man, that we it that Paul teaches, he says, bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ. His his thing is, man, if you see somebody, bro, take it, take responsibility for their burden, you know. Don't take it from them, bear it with them. Because it's different when a person sees that when they got a problem, a personal deal, they you know, they they feel it about it different than when somebody that they care about or somebody that gets into it with them and they're carrying it with them. Like, hey bro, if you it's like taking a person that's wounded on the field, like man, like, or fireman. They say, look, if you go, I go. You know what I mean? If I'm not letting go. So if you willing to you, you want to kill yourself or let yourself go down this this hole, notice you taking me with you. And if you take me with you, you taking the people that love me and all that stuff. It it and people tend to think different when they know it's a when they see it's affecting other people. Yeah, everything we do affect each other, dude. Everything we do, everything we do. Nothing, none of us is an island unto ourselves. There's nothing we can do that it does not in some form or fashion affect something else.

SPEAKER_04

Because, man, you have these people, man.

SPEAKER_03

Your mind be tripping. I know, man.

SPEAKER_04

What is this dude thinking? Because you know, the uh the uh the FAFO, man. Oh yeah. Um yeah, you know, there's a lot of um Latinos, man, were saying, uh, I'm not a criminal. Yeah, you voted a certain way, and you're saying it's not you're not a criminal, but uh yeah, you're being affected by it, you know. Right, I'm not a criminal, I I I pay my taxes, but you look a certain way, right? And so uh so you voted against yourself and now you're being affected by something, and like you said, we all connecting, man. And it's for sure um all of it, high food prices, everything the price of everything going up, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Um yeah, so it's all connected.

SPEAKER_04

So when I when I go to the booth, or just in general, anything, man. I I think about others, man. I don't just think about myself, yourself.

SPEAKER_03

Your bottom line or yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I think about other people.

SPEAKER_03

I voted my pockets, man. What's gonna put yeah, right?

SPEAKER_04

Mm-hmm. Because I was told, man, you know, last time um DT was in office, I had more a little more change in my pocket. Like, well, how's that working for you right now? Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03

And it's like what you about to say, but bruh, okay. I'm gonna give you bruh. I'm in a thing right now, man. Um, bro, when they were, you know, remember when COVID, man, when COVID hit, and then we was in the throws, bro. Uh, when we had to, when it was mandatory to not, you know, to to stay uh sheltering place. You remember they gave you the extra ends, man, for the um unemployment, yeah, you know, and uh, and people was getting it, man, and and all of that. And it was people that was just taking advantage of it for sure. Yeah, but man, it was those of us, bro. I never found unemployment in my life, ever. You know, so I'm getting this unemployment, dude, that I've paid into, you know, all my my career of working. And bruh, do you know they are cut, bro, they have been coming after me for the last year. I've appealed it after appeal to pay back uh a certain amount of that money. What? Yeah, yep, said that I was getting it. Um it was benefits that I didn't qualify for at a certain point. And bro, I wound up work working during COVID when we were in place, and and I wound up not going back to the job that I was at. I wound up working for the unemployment office. Bro, I was working there seven months, and you know how it used to be for the unemployment. You would have to show that you're actively seeking work to continue to get benefits. Bro, this during COVID time, you didn't have to do that to get the benefits, but I was still actively seeking. I started working seven months, you know, before they even made it mandatory now that you have to start back showing you're actively seeking to continue to get unemployment. I hadn't gotten unemployment for seven months before they got to that point. Bro, I knew people that had wouldn't work in two years before COVID hit and started getting the unemployment and all this stuff. They forgave all them people, man, and all this stuff. And I'm I worked all my life and paid it to it, bro. And they coming after me, bro. I'm I'm in a thing right now, pending with them. They're trying to get thousands of dollars back from me. Yeah, yeah. But this but we can't say the word fool, man. It's it's as a nine, bro. It's as a nine. I'm sorry for fool. That's what I like to do. I like to go and slap every last one of them. Every last one of them, man. Because this, but you know, I already know what the deal is, man. Because again, we we don't wrestle against flesh and blood. Yeah, principality, there it is, and they behind, like, man, we five years. How long ago was that? We getting ready to go into 2026, bro. But you coming after me, and is but my whole point was like you was like putting them in the office then, and your pockets was was tight. But now that you're back in office, they're trying to get the money back, bro.

SPEAKER_05

Oh right.

SPEAKER_03

They trying to get you touted how much all this money you put in America's you know pockets during that time, and now on your second run, uh, you trying to get it all back, and then some. And then some, bro.

SPEAKER_04

That's did you see what's going on here with with DT in Canada?

SPEAKER_03

Oh man, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

They put the ad out with using Reagan's voice and speech about terrorists.

SPEAKER_03

No, I didn't hear about that.

SPEAKER_04

No, dude, he um I don't know uh the prime minister, but they put a video out talking about how bad, you know, when Reagan had that speech about how bad terrorists are and how detrimental you know it falls onto the citizens. And DT saw it and he got upset. He's like, talks are off. What they use, but they used another president, you US president a highly respected US president prior to you.

SPEAKER_03

That would be considered way better than you. You're not you you're not the greatest president that we ever had, bro, by far. Give me Jimmy Cottero. A man, too. I I go and say Nixon, right?

SPEAKER_04

At least he had at least he had oversight and checks and balances, man.

SPEAKER_03

You know, and guess what? When he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, he resigned, bro. He resigned, you know what I mean. So you ain't get caught with the cookie jar, bro. You got the you got all the cookies, the jars, you done bought the factory that make the cookies and jars, you done took control of all of it, and you got chocolate chips around your mouth all over, bro. You got in your hair, in your nails, everywhere, bro. Your cookie ain't in the jar. We caught you eating the cookies, bro.

SPEAKER_04

You eating them, ain't like so, and I'm still the best that ever was. You understand me?

SPEAKER_03

Oh man. It's not this is bro. This is this is why. This is why we always gotta keep it, keep the kingdom. This is why you gotta have your your trust and your faith gotta be a hundred percent locked in to the kingdom, bro, because it's so much crap going on out here, bro. It is oh my goodness, right, man.

SPEAKER_04

Because my brother Darren hit me up and he was like, uh, he said, How you doing, man? You know, because one day, you know, I told him, you know, what was going on in my life, yeah. So then he he was checking up on me, like, how you doing, man? I'm like, I'm good, man. Like, well, according to your social media post, man, you're doing great. Yeah, I said I gotta do it, man.

SPEAKER_03

Uh that's the thing, and you live, but see, this you live it, bro. You're not living it through social, it's well, how you live is coming out onto social, and that's what I want to commend that, man.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and oh, he's like, Man, you know, you can never tell you what you're going through by the way you uh post.

Guns, Training, And Responsibility

SPEAKER_03

Keep alive, you keep a smile, bro. You keep joy flowing and you and you show it to other people, man. Yeah, so I see you, bro, and on there. I'm like seeing you having fun and putting the joyful videos out, and I'll know personally some of the stuff you're dealing with. I'm like, man, that's why I call you the apostle of joy. I love that, man. I was about to mention that I'm like, this is this is this dude's calling, man, is to bring joy into other people's lives, and I and it ain't like you faking it, you know. I mean, I've seen you process through this stuff and uh and fight to maintain your joy, man. Yeah, you definitely know, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Um yeah, I just lean on that so much, and I just thank the Holy Spirit, man. Yes, the Father, man.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, bro, he gave them to us for a reason, bro. You know what I mean? It's if if everything was all good, he he he he prepared for, you know, as we talk about prepare for the worst, the father already he he prepared for it, bro. And Christ died for it, and then he gave us the Holy Spirit to live life with, man, forever.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the comforter is something else, man.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, he is and a comforter. Did you why do I why would he be called the comforter? Because he knows that I'm gonna be in things that's gonna be less than comfortable, and he's here to to help with that. That's what he's called. He's called the helper. I'm here to help you, bro. Why why would he need to be here if we don't need help? We need help, bro. We need help, bro. I don't need look, I don't bruh. Kane, I don't need nobody to tell me I'm a sinner. I need help, is what I mean. You know, you know what I mean. You that's not helping me. That's not helping me telling me how much I've offended God and how bad of a person I am. That's that doesn't help me, bruh. That doesn't help me. Not even a little bit.

SPEAKER_04

Like Matt McMillan, he knows when he knew you know the part of when he talks, he like he imitates a preacher.

SPEAKER_03

Your sins. Your sins done found you out. The chickens have come on the roof, Ricky Bobby lady.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I'm sorry, not Ricky Bobby Boucher. That's the one.

SPEAKER_04

Oh man, dude, and it's like, man, the body of Christ, though, man. I had to I had to talk with this sister through um, she sent me this this prayer, and and you know, thank God for her, man. We just she encourages me and encourages each other, and she, you know, she's she loves uh Instagram. I'm a TikTok person, but yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I get a message from her. Um she sent me this prayer now. I was like, sis, I can't aim into this. I'm not and I'm not aiming to this, man. And I don't know how I made her feel, but I broke it down like you know, I'm not I'm not a sin conscious person, and you know, so I was like, man, you know, Christ died for our sins, and I just came, it was a lot of stuff. I just broke it down to her, and then and and she just gave me a thumbs up.

SPEAKER_03

You know, you know, man, but thank you for that because that's that that sits with a person that gives the the father something, the Holy Spirit to breathe on, man, because people need it, man. Prayers people don't believe, understand it, prayers need to be corrected too. If you want them answered, there's certain ways. Now, there's a way that you can pray when you have no relationship, when you knew in your relationship with God and get and get stuff, just like it's your children when they when they're young, don't have to articulate things perfectly. But when they get older and they reach a certain point, and people love to tout their relationship in God, you know, that me and God, He knows me. That's my homie. But did your homie tell you how to transact uh with him to have your prayers answered at this at this stage in your life and relationship? You know, bro, you can't you cannot go with a sin consciousness uh to the father and think you're gonna transact because you just you totally disrespected the sacrifice of his son, bro. You just made you like I I feel you what Jesus did, but uh, you know, come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04

And I'm on TikTok, and they had this this woman had this, you know. She's selling this Jesus shirts. Jesus is King shirts. Oh, dope. I was like, yeah. Yeah. And she showed the front of it, Jesus is king, and then she turned to the side. Yeah. And on the sleeve was a cross.

SPEAKER_03

Got the big old curse on the sleeve. Got the big curse on the sleeve.

SPEAKER_04

What is which one is it?

SPEAKER_03

The sacrifice or the is he king or is you right?

SPEAKER_04

Is he still nailed to that boy?

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. Exactly. Well, the cross is empty. I don't got him on it. You know, I'm like, okay, okay. So he's in the tomb then. So so he's still in the tomb, then.

SPEAKER_04

You know what I'm saying? Like, you you about to go you're trying to go into the building, so you gotta step on the stairs. Yeah, you gotta take on the step, but I'm gonna sit there and just worship the step.

SPEAKER_03

Right, exactly. That's the means to getting you into the building, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_04

This step is so dope.

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna step down just sitting on the step.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and the doors are open. You got all this stuff you can just go to go in to experience again. Focus on that step.

SPEAKER_02

That bro, that is it wasn't for that step.

SPEAKER_04

I wouldn't be able to get into that store.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yes, sir. Take a bullet to it every time. Now that's what gun laws is supposed to be for. Yes, taking bullets to stuff like that, you know. Not the people, but the institutions tear it down. Oh my man, but do you where's the where okay? Jesus King shirt. Why is it so hard to put a throne or a crown on something? It's just as easy to do that than to put a cross up there.

SPEAKER_04

Why gotta be the cross? This cross was so huge, man.

SPEAKER_03

Jesus is king, and then turn around in the crowd. Yep, and it's a lowercase T at that. Oh yes, it ain't like a capital T for a throne, you know.

SPEAKER_04

It's the lower thing about it, you bring it to their attention, they want to fight you on it, man. I just had a you know, conversation with somebody, and I would just uh I just gave a little, I wouldn't even because I know they I know how they love their religion, so but I just I just felt the need to say something, and uh shit's like uh I forgot what the post, but I was like, Yeah, church man, they be they be teaching. No, we're talking about all matter of fact, you're talking about the traditions of man that's like, yeah, man, they be teaching in the church, not all churches, and I just left, I'm just left it there, man.

SPEAKER_02

Just want to fight, man.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's not all churches. Like, I want to, I could have got it. I man, I'm I'm sure I could have wrote down or commented some principles. I know that her church is teaching right that our traditions of men, but I didn't want to go into it. Right, left it there.

Bearing Burdens And Communal Impact

SPEAKER_03

Fight when you know they fight for it, bro. It's no point. Yeah, it's like Jesus said, just leave them alone, man. They blind leaders, they blind people, this you know, blind leaders, there's leading blind people, and they're gonna all fall in the ditch, bro. And and we just gotta make sure that when they go in the ditch, that we just lean over, we here to help you out of it, man. Not we're not here to throw dirt on top of you, we're here to help you get out of it. So yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04

All right, man. Let's do this thing, man.

SPEAKER_03

So give us give us the nutritional facts, bro. The health tip of the day.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so there's an argument in the health community, organic or non-organic. Uh, but it's it's what company you feel trusted, you know. At the end of the day, you gotta say your grace, you gotta say your prayers or got to, got to for sure.

SPEAKER_03

For sure.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, we're gonna start there. But after that, you know, when it's on when it's our part, you know, it's a partnership.

SPEAKER_03

Doing your due diligence, yes.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, so um there are some things that you can buy that's non-organic that that's still safe, but there are some fruits and vegetables that you need when you consider buying these, and I wrote them down. They call them the dirty dozen. I don't I think I'm missing one, so we're gonna call this the dirty 11, right?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Uh so uh yeah, you have if you consider buying these, this product, these fruits and vegetables, please get an organic and you know, find a trusted source because there are some companies we know they're this deceitful, sure sell you some uh non-organic food and put it on organic, and you know, but yeah, it's that's uh crazy. You know, it's it's the demons, man.

SPEAKER_03

All right, so uh the principality principalities are produced, everybody outside, go on the thing about it, this these pesticides have long-lasting effects on your body, and so uh, you know, you're gonna get them, you know, it is in the soil, but uh you want to limit as much as possible.

SPEAKER_04

So I'm about to name the fruits and vegetables that you if you buy them, uh I recommend you get organic. First off, apples. Apples gotta be organic, or they should be organic, pears, strawberries, man. You can you can look at the texture of a strawberry, got all those holes of seeds in it. Yeah, the pesticides go right through that.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I matter of fact, I posted a video a while back. Matter of fact, it gave me about 2,000 followers on um Instagram because uh these these strawberries were sprayed with so much pesticides, they uh they juiced them and it was and they uh washed them and juiced them, and it still was a high content of pesticides in the strawberry juice. Wow, yeah, yeah. So much to where they could spray another batch, another crop. Okay, strawberries, grapes is another one you can tell the thin skin in them. So you want grapes, blueberries, which is one of my favorite. I buy organic blueberries. Sometimes I um I don't, but after doing my research, uh from here on out when I get strawberries and blueberries for certain they're gonna be organic. Okay, green beans, wow, green beans, man. Yeah, um kale, spinach, green, your collard and stuff. Yeah, Thanksgiving coming up, man.

SPEAKER_01

Y'all gotta get it. Get them organic soon.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because you put that good old pot, man. You got all that stuff in there. Uh the last the least thing you gotta worry about is that that pork fat, man. You got them pesticides.

SPEAKER_03

Right, see, see that, man.

SPEAKER_04

It's oh my god. And then and then pep and pet and your peppers, man.

SPEAKER_03

So that's the peppers, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Peppers, green, red, yellow, orange.

SPEAKER_02

Wow.

SPEAKER_04

You want to make sure those are organic.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Uh wifey, uh, yeah, man, that stuff we get we head on ahead every week.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, uh man, because look, uh, you go to organic stand, I get a pint, you get a pint of uh blueberries for$7.99, right? Which is crazy. And then you go for another organic, they're like$2.99.

SPEAKER_03

Because they want to kill you, bro. It's cheaper to kill them, bro.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, and then you like, man, I'm a at least it's blueberries and ain't getting candy, you know. At least I'm getting blueberries, but you know, you're getting pesticides, you're getting poisoned with that.

SPEAKER_03

And if and bro, if that if that don't tell us how unrighteous stuff is, then what else, man, do you have to have, man? It is so I mean it ain't cheap to eat nowadays, no matter what you're eating, but how why is it so much cheaper to eat not non-healthy than it is healthy? Why is that cheaper, bro? Yeah, you're spending more in what you bro. Okay, I know this is out there, but you so help me with my mental health on this one, bro. It costs more to make the unhealthy food than it does to do the healthy food. Like I went, I'm in the store yesterday. I remember I'm buying getting ready to buy peanut butter, and you say, and you're like always, bro, peanut butter shouldn't be nothing but peanut peanuts and salt. And and I'm looking at it, that peanut butter was$6.99, bro. Yep, yep, and and it's small, and it's like in a small glass. Yeah, I'm looking at this big fat Jiffy next to it, bro. And the jiffy was$3.99, yeah, almost half the price, but it's got like 20 ingredients. I like it had to cost more to make this than it did to do to make this. It's less than it's just the peanuts and the salt, and it's a small jar. You got a big giant jiffy, and it got all these ingredients. It had to cost more to make this. Why is it so much less and it costs more to make it?

SPEAKER_04

Put you in the system so you can go in around.

SPEAKER_03

That hit me at a whole nother level yesterday when I saw that. I'm like, it costs less, cost more to make it, but cost less to sell it to us. And this cost it's just this is just the natural ingredient, it's just peanuts, bro. Yeah, all you did is just mashed up the peanuts in it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I was at it cost twice as much.

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SPEAKER_04

I was at Zerbos, and I was talking to uh uh uh lady I work with, she works at Zerbos now, and she was saying um we're talking about the organic and not non-organic, and she was like, It's crazy how they make these peanut butter. They take the they take the peanut oil out of the the natural oil from the peanut, take it and then replace it with palm oil. What tears your stomach up, bro?

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Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Do you know the do you know the operation that got to take, bro, and the time and all that to set up to do that? Instead of just letting it have the natural oil that comes from it, you swap the oils, bro?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, the only country, the only country really does it. You're doing it like that. My other countries doing it like they're supposed to, and you know, and it one thing I I heard these people when they go to other countries to eat, you can't believe how these bananas taste. You can't believe how these strawberries taste. I've I haven't tasted this my whole life. I'm like, yeah, it's natural and it's real. Wow. And uh yeah, man. We I want to talk about one of these days, man, about the health care in this country, man, and how diabolical if you know the situation where there was presidents in the past that wanted to make it legal to have uh universal uh health care, but it was a couple of groups that didn't they didn't want healthcare to go to, so we're gonna just let their job like that.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_03

And then look where we are now, and so uh you know and you wanna make that again, you want to you want to do that again.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, we'll delete that right there, but yeah, right. Yeah, man. We should uh yeah, we should do that, man. Yeah, maybe that'll be the next podcast, bro.

SPEAKER_04

That and also I want to we we should talk about um listen to Taylor Welch, man. Um, the Eve, man. He how he how you brought down Eve. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I had Eve get a bad rap, bro. She she gets a bad rap, too.

SPEAKER_04

You just don't think about it because you just from what the church teach you, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Cause you just get the because you just get them little passages, nobody, you know, and nobody does. This is actually what the five-fold ministry is supposed to be about, man. Breaking getting deep into this stuff and and sharing the the truth and the nuggets and the man. Why do we know in everything you gotta dig for it to get the gold out of it? But when it comes to the when it comes to the word, bro, just take it, just what it says. You ain't gotta do no studying and digging in it. Just just take it for what it said, bro. Just take it.

SPEAKER_04

All right, man. This thing about to die on me, man.

SPEAKER_03

So man, don't let it die, bro.

SPEAKER_04

Oh no, all right. Uh we love you. Love you.

SPEAKER_03

It's the reason why we do it, bro.

SPEAKER_00

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