Is The Mark Of The Beast About Loyalty or Tech?

Ever feel the sting of conviction and the weight of condemnation—and wonder which voice is God’s? We start with a raw, human story about owning our tone at home and discovering how the Holy Spirit nudges us toward repair without shaming us into hiding. That moment becomes the compass for everything else: a call to drop revenge fantasies, rethink wrath-obsessed church culture, and choose mercy that actually heals people.

From there we get honest about why so many are stepping away from organized religion. It’s not a Jesus problem; it’s the gap between what’s preached and how we live. We talk about hypocrisy, cognitive dissonance, and why a kingdom framework makes more sense than clinging to labels. The kingdom of God is a government with a King, not a brand or a box. That shift reframes how we read Scripture, especially the passages that fuel fear.

We take a hard look at end times ideas and the mark of the beast. Instead of chasing microchips, barcodes, or the latest tech panic, we trace Daniel 7 and Revelation through the context of empire—especially Rome—and show how “forehead” and “right hand” point to belief and behavior, not secret implants. The mark is allegiance. Your loyalty flows from what forms your mind and guides your actions. When we stop bracing for a future trap, we can live free in the present: studying like Bereans, checking history, and listening for the King’s voice above the noise.

Along the way, we keep it grounded: humility between friends, practical wisdom, and a reminder that real prayer sounds like conversation with a Father who isn’t nervous or harsh. If you’re tired of fear-based faith and hungry for a clear, courageous, kingdom lens, this one’s for you. Subscribe, rate, comment, share, and review us. Have a blessed and happy Thanksgiving!!

Transcript

Welcome And A Real-Time Testimony

SPEAKER_03 0:03

This is the Gospel Twins with your host, Sean and John, your go-to podcast for the kingdom perspective on current events and the good news God has for the culture. Get ready to renew your mind, one piece at a time.

SPEAKER_04 0:18

People of God, people of God, welcome to the Gospel Twin Podcast where you get your mind renewed piece by piece and episode by episode. And I am Sean. And I'm John. And we are the Gospel Twins. And I got a testimony right now in real time. Like we talked before, and I get up six, I get up about 5.30. My dogs wake me up so I can feed them. My dog takes her medicine every 12 hours. So that time is 5.30 to 5.30. So I'm up with the dogs. And um, like we said uh in the last podcast, we have an allotment of time from 8 to 10. Right. And so what I usually do, take the dogs out, and uh I lay back down, man. I might take some notes a little bit, lay back down. Even it might be for an hour. But then when I wake up, I'm kind of groggy, right? But the spirit, the spirit wakes me up. It's not uh, it's been a couple times, I guess you text me or whatever, but the spirit wakes me up and like, oh, I'm like, dang, it's eight o'clock.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Time to go, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

And um, and so thing is, this is my wife's first day. You know, she has two days. Her days off are Sunday and Monday. So today's her first day. So she likes to sleep in. And so that's one of the reasons I feed the dogs, because yeah, I during the week, she feeds them in the morning because I'm out of the house. I'm out of here about I'm out of here quarter to corner after uh four or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Yeah.

Conviction Versus Condemnation

SPEAKER_04 1:53

And but I've always tell her, like, I need some help on Sundays, man. And so so today, this one this morning, she was like, Man, I hope you uh got some, I hope you get some energy or something. I was like, and dog, I got so upset, like this is what I've been trying to tell you, like I need help on Sunday morning. Like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I said this would like occur, this occurs every Sunday, right? Right, you know, then she's like, Well, the dogs gotta go out again, and I was like, and I snapped, like, man, won't you take them out? You know, we went back and forth, and then she she says, uh, when I was coming to the uh studio, she was like, Uh, hope you have a good podcast. And then uh Holy Spirit's like, see, you need to you gotta go apologize to your wife. So it is so when they get off of this microphone, I'm gonna apologize to her, man. You know what I'm saying? Because I we were talking about us being convicted, you know, having a relationship with God and the Holy Spirit. Absolutely, absolutely that we get uh convicted, and like how do some people do certain things and not be convicted? It's like because we live this life, man. Absolutely, and uh it's real time. I and I feel I'm feeling bad right now for having an attitude, right? Right. So I definitely gotta straighten this, man.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

That's that's straighten it up. That's what's up, man. That's what's up, and man, what a blessing that is to actually share that. That is a testimony, man, because it it is a testimony of that relationship, man, with the with Holy Spirit, bro. And we as we always say, man, you know, he he's our guy, you know, he he's our best friend, man. He he's the one that rocked with us, man. But uh I I just couldn't imagine living life without him. You know, it just bro, I because it and I can say that with all conviction because I've done it. I've done both. I've lived life without him, and I live life with him. And I can attest that living life with him is way better than living life without him.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

And yes, it's the only way.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Right. I mean, it's is you can imagine going back to like if somebody said, if some it's like Jesus said, man, you know, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? What can a man give in exchange for a soul, bro? It's nothing this world could ever offer me that would make me say, you know, they said if we could just, you know, you could just nullify your relationship with the Holy Spirit, would you, you know, get out there's nothing that you can I I I don't even understand how that's even a possible conversation, but it leads in perfect with pe taking the mark, taking the mark of the beast, and it shows that it's it's not a physical mark more so than it is an allegiance, you know. It's yeah Satan trying to get Jesus to do that, you know. I give you everything, you know. If you just will ally yourself, that's all worship means, man. You know, be an ally with you. So, man, dude, that's that's so perfect of a leading to this. That that personal testimony, being convicted, and go and apologize. Something that that seemingly insignificant to someone, but then it because of who you are and the relationship you have with him, for that to have such an impact on you. That's that's but I don't think people can really comprehend. You don't know unless you know. That's that's all you can say. You can't like make anybody understand that unless they're just pursuing that type of relationship with him.

SPEAKER_04 6:00

And what's more importantly, just is me uh asking for you know, not for a forgiveness, but saying sorry to my wife, is that I'm not sitting here being, you know, feeling bad about it. So I gotta um, so I gotta uh get past that.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Right.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

And know that I'm gonna go upstairs when it's finished, I'm gonna go up there and uh apologize for it. You know, absolutely I can sit here and make that and feel real bad and being and condemn myself.

Justice, Revenge, And Church Culture

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Absolutely, absolutely, man. See, see, and and and again, that's a part of that relationship because even though you know he brings conviction to you, he never brings condemnation. And that is another earmark of that. If you're ever feeling condemned about something that the Lord said to you, people of God, that's not him. That that's that's a good indicator that you're being spoken to by another voice. Because God's voice, he never brings condemnation, he might bring conviction and chastisement, never condemnation.

SPEAKER_04 7:13

All right, so you're gonna work on you're gonna talk about that because you also in the last episode you said you want to start with the wrath, you know, how the how the brethren want to see the wrath poured out on everybody, man.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Dude, that the church, the church is fried. Man, and and the thing is we can say that because we're part of it, you know. It's like, you know, like they say, you you can dish your own family, you know, because that's family. You know what I mean? So that there's no love lost when we say this stuff, because we're because we're talking about our own people, we're talking about us, you know, the whole body of believers, the body of Christ. And but yes, man, we we have this inbred desire to see, and it's it's a perversion that the enemy does because as being people of God, being made in image and likeness of God, you we love justice. We love to see people, you know, justice exercised on behalf of people. It's like you say, Man, I can't stand bullies. You know, that's that's all because of how much you love justice. I don't like to see people being mistreated. And that is that is innate to us as being children of God. But what the enemy does is he takes that and we begin to perpetuate that on each other and want to see um revenge. You know what I mean? It's it's like you want to see punishment happen to people because of their, you know, their evil doings or their evil ways. And it's a difference between revenge and vengeance, you know. The Lord don't ever say revenge is mine. He says vengeance is mine. You know, and so vengeance has to do with justice, revenge has to do with punishing someone because of a wrong they did to you, you know, that you you you take in that personal. And the the church, man, by it large, that we call the box church because of that, just that traditional entrapment, um wants to see this world punished, bro. They they want to see who they quote unquote call sinners, which is a trip because you know it it's it's such a smack in the face of what Christ did, bro, that it's like, you know, you it doesn't matter that he said he took away sin. He he bore sin, bro. He he did that for us. As you said in the last one, you know, if you take away, if you if you impart the mark as being something that's uh a pre is a predestined thing for our future, for our future, then you have made John 3.16 irrelevant. You you you can take out the the that arguably is the most known verse in scripture. Yeah, you know, and you probably wouldn't find too many people that debate that, but if you hold fast to this this wrath of God that's coming, this bowl of judgments and all of that for future generations that's still in our future, then take out John 3.16, you know, altogether. And the linchpin of that, everything else falls apart. If you remove that, for God so loved the world, that everything else falls apart. And that's the belief, but it starts with us, man. We have to stop wanting to see God's wrath poured out on people because of their behavior, you know, they're behaving wickedly. It is literally the same spirit that Jonah had on Nineveh. And no, I'm sorry, go ahead, bro.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

Oh, are you sure? No, you're just in the middle of something.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

No, no, no, go ahead, man. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Uh, you know, we talk about the Freedom and Christ movement uh Facebook group. And uh that's a brother in there, Louis Fidelity. If I'm I'm hoping I'm pronouncing his name correctly.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

Uh he said this. He said, I used to sit in church feeling confused, saved in one breath and scared in the next. He said they called salvation a free gift, and then taught I had to work hard to keep it. No wonder I felt insecure. But that was that wasn't the gospel, it was a mixture. And and mixture seals stills peace. I said, Jesus, what Jesus did on the cross was enough, not partly enough, not conditionally enough, but finished. I wasn't set free to spend my life trying to prove my that I'm worried uh worthy of staying free. Freedom is held together by Christ, not my performance. And then he referenced John 8 36, where it says, So if so, if the son sets you free, you are truly free. And then John 19 13, it is finished.

unknown 12:28

Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

Man, I love that group, man. That's man, that's the new covenant.

Freedom In Christ, Not Mixture

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Believers of the man, man, dude, and that's truth. That's nothing, that's the gospel truth right there. That's that's the gospel truth right there. And bro, that is so profound. Uh, big ups to that brother, man. Um and to the group, period, man. I, you know, I'm I'm in it now. I I joined it. You sent me the you know the information to do it. And bro, it's just something when you are in fellowship or in a community where it's just people that are new covenant-minded, new creation-minded. It bro, where there's nothing that's still left to do but to pursue purpose, you know, intention, and and the will of God, bro. Not still trying to evade some future wrath or punishment, uh, not have focusing on uh this antichrist figure, this this mark, the technology that's gonna deceive us and trap us into doing something, you know, becoming. I gotta worry about being deceived to not violate my faith in Christ. You know, bro, that is no way to live. And that that is far as contrary, that is contradictory to the life that Christ came to give us, which was a life of freedom.

SPEAKER_04 14:09

Absolutely. This is yeah, people are not thinking about when they talk about the all this stuff that scared us, the tribulation, all the things that uh put on us to uh keep us in line, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Uh yeah, that that bro, that's that's witchcraft and manipulation. Yes, you know, Taylor was talking a lot about your crit, he don't like to say that, but Christian, Christian witches, you know, and and witchcraft is in and people gotta the one the the best thing that Satan has done is to wrap his deception in a package that's not indicative of reality, meaning that he wraps you put demonic stuff in a package that looks scary, uh, you know, it's it's gonna look like demon possession, it's gonna look like something that's you know just blatantly obvious to you that this is wicked and evil. And that is the biggest deception that he's been able to slip through. Because if it doesn't, if it looks wicked and evil and horrible, then that's the devil, you know. But that's not how Satan comes, bro. No, he comes as an angel of light, you know, and it says, and his ministers, man, he makes them ministers of righteousness. They're gonna come in and say stuff that looks and sounds like this is right. This is this is what how it is, this is how it's supposed to be, and that is just not the case, bro. It it this is why you gotta have that relationship with the with the Father, you gotta have that daily communion with Holy Spirit, man, and know that Jesus is Lord, bro. It's a reason why it says Jesus is Lord, because he says that and he tells his disciples, why do you call me Lord and don't do the things I tell you? So the earmark of a Lord is that I'm gonna listen to him above everything else. It doesn't matter how good it sounds, it doesn't how it doesn't even have anything to how much emotionally it moves me. When the Lord speaks, that's who I'm listening to. And Jesus is not trying to confuse us, bro. And what has been more confusing than end time doctrine?

SPEAKER_04 16:50

Ooh, thank you. We you know what? We are the gospel twins, bro. Uh, check this out. I want to play this video. I showed I shared this with you before uh before America is saying they're done.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

All right, we're gonna uh yeah, here we go.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

This is uh dropping U.S. uh religion, people are leaving the church. Check this out.

End Times Confusion And Clarity

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Okay, America is saying they're done with religion, and honestly, I can understand it. So now at least half of our Americans say religion is not an important part of their life. It's like religion is like hello, America's like new phone. Who is this? So when I saw that, I had to sit back and think about why are people falling off religion like that? Now I'm gonna speak from my own experience. I'm not a Christian, I'm a Buddhist. I would even say I'm more spiritual than I am religious. But even from the outside looking in, you can see the conflict. I think that a lot of people have a hard time being a part of something in which the teachings don't match how people live. Like the world can say, love thy neighbor, but then folks is cussing out their neighbor at the school board meeting. And so it results in people feeling like hypocrites because then what do we really believe in? And I think that's a big part of it. People don't want to live in a like a consistent state of cognitive dissonance. They don't want to do that because you can't like preach peace, right, and patience when you're running your ministry like a hostile takeover. You can't do that. And honestly, I think education has played a large role too. Another reason why education is under attack. Because see, when people get more educated, they tend to get further and further away from organized religion. Now, the part that even stood out to me even more in this article is that America is starting to mimic a lot of other advanced, developed nations that start to separate away from religion. So I'm asking, what do y'all think is causing people to see religion in a different way now? What made you view religion differently? Was it hypocrisy, education, just some personal growth, or was life just life? I'm gonna hear your story. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

All of that, what she said.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Education, bruh, the hypocrisy.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Hypocrisy is huge.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

Oh my god, man. That is, man, that woman was. And here's what I love, bro. Here's what it doesn't bother me when people say they Buddhist, they they, you know, Krishna and all that stuff. Because here's the thing. Did you notice how she said I'm Buddhist? But she also knows the scripture, though. You know what I mean? It's like she knows the truth, but you know what? I'm I'm because all of those other things, Buddhism and all of those types of practices, has to do with you seeking a personal and inner peace, you know, through meditation and and and righteous sayings, you know, you know, the things that they that they say, Confucius say, you know, because those are wise words. But the one thing about all of those people, they all draw their stuff from Jesus. Yep. It there is no religion that does not speak highly of Jesus. The the problem is is the Jesus followers is what people get shook with, man, because of all of the hypocrisy. Like y'all, y'all are nothing like you're nothing like him. And you say that you you're you're his follower. And man, that's that woman nailed it, bro. Nailed it.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

I want to give her credit. Uh, she goes by me Jobu for life on TikTok, M-I-J-O-B-U, the uh number four life, and at Bishop22. She's man, she's pretty good. I sent you a few of her videos, but yeah, man, absolutely. Uh I what I just don't want people, you know, when I when I was a Christian, when I was hearing video like that, I'll be thinking that people attacking God, but they're not. No, no, they're attacking the institution of religion, yes, and Christianity. And that's another I know it's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow the Christianities, but Christianity is leading it because it has so much truth in it, yeah, it's easy to follow it.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Absolutely, absolutely. You got Christ's name, and you well, Christ is not his name, but you have the word Christian, Christ in the Word. So it it it makes sense, bro. And and and what leads people astray with that is like you said, people think you're when I'm attacking Christianity, I'm attacking Christ, or I'm attacking God. They're not. It's it's like you said, it's the organized institution. This is the reason why the kingdom can never be confused with Christianity, because the kingdom of God is is an established government, bro. It's no one goes into a country and judges the country by its government as far as the it being established for the citizens. You know, you don't go in and ask people what kind of citizen are you when you live in a particular country. You already know what your citizenship is because this is where you live, this is who you, this is where you exist and and your resources and everything come from here. This is your country. I don't ask you about your citizenship, but uh you can have a ton of religions inside that country.

unknown 22:44

Uh-huh.

Religion’s Decline And Hypocrisy

SPEAKER_02 22:44

And the thing with the kingdom of God that makes it different than any other kingdom is you don't have there is no religion here. There, there is a king. And what he says is what is, bro. And you live according to his prosperity, you live according to the wisdom of the king. That is what makes the kingdom of God unique in its uh in its presentation. That's why it's called the kingdom of God, because why? There's other kingdoms. There is the kingdom of darkness, there is the kingdoms of other when it was different kingdoms on the planet. But like we said, man, kingdoms don't exist the way they used to. And people don't understand that. So you interpret the scriptures not through a kingdom lens, you interpret it through a religious lens. Because all you know is Christianity by it large, is is still the largest religion. I don't care about everybody you say is gaining on it. Islam is, and Islam is close. The Islam, you know, faith is close because they are also a monotheistic religion. They believe in one God, period. You know, so they're similar to Christianity. But bruh, it's neither none of them are governments, are kingdoms, they're religions.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

That takes us, that takes us to the Hebrew writer, 1227 and 1228, right? Uh now this yet once more indicates the removal of things that are being shaken, as of as of things that are made. The made. That the things that cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace by which we may serve God acceptedly with reverence and godly fear. So the stuff that can be shaken, religion, the box church, and a hierarchy.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Everything about it, everything about it can be shaken. So what? So for what reason? So that what can't so that can be removed. So the last thing that is is left is the thing that can't be shaken, which is God's kingdom, the kingdom of God. It's a kingdom, bro. The mark, the mark of the beast cannot be perceived through the lens of a religion. If it does, then you'll start marking all you'll start making everything. It's the visas are getting us set up when visa when credit cards start coming. Oh, setting us up for the mark. Barcodes, oop, setting us up for the mark. Oh man, oh my goodness, they wanted social security numbers setting us up for numbers, social security, numbers. Oh my goodness, this we're getting right. Oh my god, they want to chip people. Oh my god, they want to do this. Is you keep looking for it, so you're in making everything the mark, because that's what religion does, that's what traditions of men create these things now. Contrast, let me look at a the mark of the beast through a kingdom that can only speak of an allegiance.

unknown 26:22

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

It can only speak of an allegiance. That's all. Why in the forehead and the right hand? Because biblically, when you read those things scripturally, the forehead, you like you read in Deuteronomy last week, it's about philosophies, ideals, precepts, precepts, and all of that that you live your life according to. And then the right hand speaks of the place of power of your deeds, your actions, the things you do based off what you think. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. So you're gonna do the things that you believe and you perceive, and that perception is reality. That that's just a fact. But God wants you to perceive the truth, know the truth, because the truth is what makes you free. The traditions of men bind you, bro.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

That's a pretty uh fairly new concept, right? Uh the rapture and the marquee. Yeah. Like when like when was do you remember? Do you know the date? I doing my studies. I remember it was like pretty recent. I was like, oh my gosh. I was like, oh my god, my great my great grandma's time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Yeah, I mean, right, great great. I think the first time it was ever brought to the like I are you talking about the rapture?

SPEAKER_04 27:56

Yeah, the rapture.

Kingdom Of God Versus Christianity

SPEAKER_02 27:58

Yeah, that was like in the 1800s, bro, within the last last hundred and something years. Uh you know, it's it's not, it's it's a new concept. The early church never, you know, and I hate to say the early church as because it's the same church, but when the in the beginning, when the church started, that was never a concept.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

They thought foundational believers, all right.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

The found there you go. I like that. The foundational believers, bro, never considered uh because it was all about Christ's return. He said, you know, when when the angel was looking, when they saw Jesus being taken up, the angel said, Men of Galilee, why are you standing here gazing? This same Jesus, that he will return the same way that he left. Get to work, get busy, you know, start doing what he called you to do. So he was like, so their focus was never on leaving earth, their focus was on the proclamation of the kingdom of God, the government that he brought on his shoulders, excuse me, and that's what their focus was. It was never about leaving earth, it was about the expansion of the kingdom, and you talking about people who shook the world, shook bruh. Okay, okay. You have an empire, Roman Empire is by far the most um influential empire there's ever been in history. This is why God said Christ came in the fullness of time, because it was the closest thing ever to the kingdom of God in the way that the kingdom would take over the earth. The Roman Empire was known to spread like leaven in the earth. That's how they took over, they would influence. Your culture with theirs. And they would set governors up to run the run that kingdom, to run that part, you know, as they were taken over. They would send governors to take over and govern. Bruh, this is why Jesus used the words like he was using the definitions of terms were fully understood by the people in that day. This is why he used them the way he did. The kingdom of heaven will be like leaven. Why? Because they understood that's how the Roman Empire was. And the kingdom of God, he's using terms that the people could identify with in their time.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

Yes.

Allegiance And The Mark Explained

SPEAKER_02 30:44

All the parables was what they could identify with. All of this, all of this stuff. What people don't realize, and this is probably gonna hurt a little bit, man. But you know our intentions, bro. People of God, if you knew the conversations that me and my brother Hicks have off the air about our intentions never being to offend anyone and how much when we say we love y'all, we really love y'all because we want to see people free. But there's gonna be things that have to we talk about things that we should probably make, should we avoid saying this because of the offense it could cause or whatever? And we have to talk through that stuff, people of God, because we it's never our intention. But some stuff you just gotta rip the band-aid off and and deal with it. So Christianity notice as as Higgs just played, you know, and he, I mean, as he just read about in in Hebrews 12, that everything created or things that are made is gonna be shaken. Jesus said every every tree that my father, every plant he didn't plant, is getting rooted up. So this this these are things that have to happen. Christianity was created. It said that they were called Christians, first at Antioch, meaning that it was people who were not believers that called them Christian. Why they were being marked as the believers, the ones, the followers of this Jesus, of the movement, the way. They called it back then, it was the follower of the way. They called them Christians to mark them, to separate them from any other believers. Judaism was the Jewish culture of the that was the religion of their day. Jesus grew up in a Judaic society. So when they call them Christians, they are separating them from Judaism, marking them. Marking them. Just like we said, the mark of the beast, it's not the mark of the hit the beast mark. It's called the mark of the beast, meaning that the beast is what it is, and the beast is marking the people. It's not you taking on a mark that the beast is marked with, the beast is marking the people, the mark of the beast. What is he doing? He's he's making identification with the people that belong to this empire, and anyone who doesn't belong to this empire is either going to bow to the empire, or you're going to be dealt with as a person who is rebelling against the empire. That was the mark of the beast. The beast was the name, the Roman Empire was the beast. It was, and all of these different horns and everything that uh John talks about, those were kingdoms that were within the Roman Empire. So they rose up out of the sea with the seven horns. It which was the beast. Go over and read in the book of Daniel in chapter seven. Daniel said that he used the same verbiage. He said, and I saw the beast rise up out of the sea, and it was this, and it was these, and one looked like a leper, and what literally using the exact same language that John uses. The exact same language. But just in case people just wanna, you know, like, well, that could mean anything. Listen to listen, I'm gonna bring in Daniel 7. I'm gonna start at verse 13.

SPEAKER_06 34:52

Okay.

Daniel, Revelation, And Rome

SPEAKER_02 34:53

He said, I saw in the night visions, this is the King James Version. I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of Man came with clouds of heaven and came to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him, and there was given him dominion, glory, and king, and a kingdom that all people, nations, language should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall that and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Who could he possibly be referencing there? Daniel has to be talking about Jesus, the Messiah. He's gonna receive, he stood before the ancient of days. That's God, that's God. And he's being given this dominion and this power and this authority. So Daniel is telling us this is what's gonna happen. Now, mind you, Daniel is hundreds centuries before Christ come. This is a vision that he saw in the night. Now, I read that first so you would lock in and know, okay, Daniel is talking about some specific stuff here, kingdoms, and he's referencing Jesus here. We know him as Jesus. Daniel didn't know him as Jesus, he just saw this man standing before the ancient of days. Well, that's crazy to Daniel. Like, how is a man standing before God, the Almighty, the ancient of days, and receiving all this glory and authority? As a man, he doesn't understand this. He was like, Man, who now we do, because we're on way on the other side of this. Yes, but but the people that is is living in these days is looking forward to this prophecy. It's coming. Now, before he said that, if you read up in and start, and I did that on purpose to establish that, yeah, well, that's Jesus, and yeah, he got an everlasting kingdom. Now go back up to verse two. He says, Daniel spake and said, Uh, I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven strove upon the great sea, and four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion and had eagle's wings, and I beheld to the wings there were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. And behold, another beast, and second like to a bear, and he goes on and he breaks down all this different stuff. Now, when he says all of this stuff, listen, he's down in verse eight, he says, I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another little horn. Now he went and talked about all this other stuff. You gotta read through that, but I'm doing this for speed so we can get through it. He said, Another horn I saw, raise up. A little one. He said, and it was dreadful, you know, and had all of this, you know, might that was given to him from the other three horns. I'm kind of, you know, just because it's so lengthy and how it's saying, I'm just kind of summarizing it. People took that little horn and said, that's the Antichrist. Okay, he hadn't even mentioned, he hadn't even got to the point where he's talking about Jesus is gonna have a throne, uh, a kingdom above every other dominion and all that. People fitting, this is what I mean by people are taking scripture and making it fit instead of just letting it be what it is, letting it speak for itself. And when he sat there and said, I was confused about all of this. Look at what he's saying, because he started talking about the ten horns and all this other stuff. He goes into a great length. Read people of God, go read that in chapter uh seven of Daniel. Read all of that and think about this subject matter of the end times, because that is what he is speaking about. The end times. Now, we would agree that Christ was the one he mentioned in verse 15, right? Yeah, you're right, right. Okay. When he talks about all of that stuff, he goes in and he talks about this this dude's gonna grow, he's gonna speak great swelling words against the most high. He's gonna do all of that stuff, and he's gonna want to change the laws and all of this and all of that. And it says he, he, he, he, all of this. But that would show you that this is talking about if all of those are talking about kingdoms, and he keeps using the words he, he, he, he is talking about the people that are speaking in that kingdom, the the kings, the ones who are in authority in those different kingdoms, speaking all of this. There would do you Roman Empire was an imperialistic kingdom that lasted longer than any other kingdom there's ever been on this planet, ever, for over 1500 years. And what by it being an imperialistic kingdom, meaning that not only was he the king, but the Caesar, when they set that up in the kingdom, was considered a god on the earth, and you had to worship him. Yep, you had to worship him, bro. And Daniel was even saying, I don't understand this stuff. I don't, this is crazy, what I'm saying. That there's gonna be this dude, that there's gonna be this kingdom that's gonna come along to where the people that are on the thrones of these kingdoms are gonna be seen as gods. And I see this one man that looks like a man that actually is gonna be standing before the ancient days, and he is gonna be given all the kingdom and authority from God and have a kingdom that will never end. He's he's tripping, bro. Wouldn't wouldn't you? Oh, yes. I mean, you some men, you know, this bro, they never would would know anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Um, so I was thinking when you were saying that, but couldn't he relate a little bit because of Nebuchadnezzar?

Study Like Bereans, Seek History

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Oh, absolutely. 100%. He's he's getting that, and he's and oh, beautiful point, man. Beautiful point. Because Nebuchadnezzar is probably the biggest archetype, and what I mean by that is you know, a shadow of you know what would be fulfilled in in New Covenant, you know, when Jesus was here. Yeah, he is probably the biggest archetype of that, of an antichrist figure, you know. That look at all I've done. But and what did God do to him? God uh humbled him big time, he took him off his throne, he made him like an animal, bro, that he was gonna go through all of this. And who was it that told him that God was gonna do this to? Be because you just spoke like you were God, bro. And Daniel see, it's a different coming up in the cultures where they worshiped other gods, but they were deities that they were worshiping, they were the fallen, you know, the the the angel, they were actual divine beings that they were actually worshiping. Daniel is encountering for the first time ever a man that is literally talking about himself like he's a god. Look at all of my dominion, look at everything I've done. And and Daniel was like, Man, I'm sorry for when you when that your heart is so prideful. When that happens, you you're gonna God got something for you, and I'm so sorry that you know that you're gonna experience that because that was unheard of, bro. Uh, the per now you yourself is divine, a deity. They did, they didn't, they didn't relate to that, man. And Daniel is saying all of this. So the same thing, the abomination of desolation was first talked about with Daniel. What is that? A person that sets themselves up, a man, like he's God, that's an abomination, bro, that's gonna cause desolation. And Jesus speaks about so, and here's the funny thing about Daniel in the end of Daniel, with all the prophecy and stuff he saw, in verse in in the end of that book, the angel tells Daniel, seal up the book, because the time's not yet. Sill up these words in the book of Revelation. Bam, there is in the last chapter in chapter 22, talking to John. What does the angel say? Angel say, oh, oh, and this is what I love about that last verse. Let me okay, so that's what happened. The angel tell him to sell it up. The angel, and this really is an angel, tell him to sell it up, talking to Daniel at the end of Daniel chapter 7. I mean chapter 12 at the end of the book. Tell him to sell it up. Bruh, when you read in Revelation 22, the last chapter, uh, let's start at verse 6. He says, and he said unto me, these sayings are faithful and true. And the and so this take in everything that John talked about in Revelation, he said, and he said unto me, These things, these sayings are faithful and true. And the Lord of the Holy Prophet sent his angel to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keep the sayings and the prophecy of this book. And I, John, saw these things and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things. Listen, listen, he said, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel that showed me these things. He says, Then saith he unto me, see thou do it not. Don't wait a minute, don't do that. Listen to what he says next. And I always were was perplexed by this, saying, I'm like, Who is this? And man, as our study with the beast and the Holy Spirit brought this to my remembrance, which I'm gonna show right now. He says, For listen to what he says, see thou do it not. He thinks this is an angel. He says, Don't do that, see thou do it not, for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book, that keeps the sayings of this book. Then he says, Worship God. This is a prophet that is saying this to John. Oh, don't bow to me, right? Bro, I'm I'm with I'm of your fellow, I'm serving God just like you. This is not an angel. I'm like, Holy Spirit, I'm reading this, wasn't even thinking about it. Holy Spirit was like, What did I say? What did the angel tell Daniel? Oh man, at the end, at the end of the book, he said, At the end of his book, it goes when he told him to seal it up, he says, but thou go thy way till the end be, for thou shalt rest and stand in your lot at the end of days. Oh my I said, Lord, is this Daniel? Is this is this Daniel?

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Man, my head is blown, man.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Dude, but wouldn't that make perfect sense for this to be Daniel? Because when I was I got the same, bro. The did you know the father gave me the same revelation you got, bro? He told me to seal it up, and I didn't know nothing about it, and now he's telling you to open it. Wouldn't he wouldn't it be just like God to have Daniel come to John and say, It's time to open up the cells, bro? It's time, oh it's time, it's time. Oh man, dude. And wouldn't that make sense? Because when the pro law and the prophets were coming to an end, who did God send to Jesus? Elijah and Moses. Yeah, the the two prophets that represented the law and the prophets.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

See how all that's connected. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Do you see? Dude, you can't make this stuff up, bro. I said, Lord, wouldn't the prophet that you gave the end time prophecy to and talked about the abomination, desolation, and all these beasts and all this stuff, and you told him, and he he told you he was perplexed. I don't know what this is. He's like, bro, sell it up. This is for the end time. Go to sleep, you're gonna rest, but in in that day, I'm gonna raise you back up and you're gonna stand in your place as it pertains to all these prophecies, bro. Wow, I always wondered who this dude was. I'm like, if that's not an angel, and he's like, No, don't bother me because I'm I'm of your fellow servants of the prophets. It had to be somebody who from the old covenant, bro.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

I said, tie it all together. Wow, this is Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

This is dude, it blew my mind, dude. And I said, but Lord, it just makes so much sense, it just makes so much sense, dude.

SPEAKER_04 49:12

Oh man, and people talk bad about the Bible. The Bible is all of that, man.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

It's his history, people. It's history, it's history, undeniable history, bro.

SPEAKER_04 49:26

Undeniable. Oh, dude, man. That's this made my day, man.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Man, dude. I thought you would like that, bro. So that's why I didn't talk to you about it before beforehand, but dude, it blew my mind too. It blew my mind and then it didn't at the same time. I was like, Yeah, right. It makes sense, right? It made Lord. Oh my god. Dude, I always wondered who this cat was, man.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

You gotta get your baran on, though. You gotta you gotta that's only way you're gonna understand that you get your first, you gotta have ears, you gotta have ears to hear, and then you gotta get your brain on.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

You gotta get your baran on, man. Got to study this word, bro. But what but look here, bro. What if we would have recorded this episode when we first wanted to do it a couple weeks ago before we had all them technical difficulties? We wouldn't have been studying on it the way that we were. And to to to because that's where that's where the the gold is, bro. The digging for it, the the nuggets and everything is as we dig into this stuff, man. Instead of just taking men's word for it and just saying what they said, you know, and repeating it generation after generation, dig for it, man. Like you just said, the Bereans, get your Berean on. They the only people that the scripture ever said that they were noble for what they did because they were had an open mind to hear new stuff. But man, I'm gonna study these scriptures, bro, because I'm not gonna, I'm not just following anything. What you're saying is dope, but I'm not just I'm just not buying into it, bro, just because you said it. Sounds good. I would love it to be the case.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

That was me when I first heard the kingdom message. I was coming out of religion, coming out of Christianity. It was because you would say stuff and I would get annoyed, man. I'm like, man, whatever. You know, I was like, whatever, man. Then I'll study it like it would smack me in my face, like oh man, and uh it was undeniable. I'm I'm reading it in black and white, or red too, you know.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

It's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

The hot sauce, bro, the red stuff, dude.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

Man, man. I appreciate you so much, man.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Man, I you dude, because I'm telling you, man, you you took my searching to a whole nother level, bro. You because I always searched the scriptures only. I never went thought about going extra biblical, and and and that was annoying to me, you know. When you would be like, Man, you know, you got Google this, man, or look at this and you know, do some stuff. And I'm like, man, that but they that ain't coming from straight out of the Bible, bro. You can't, but you like it's but it's history, dog, it's history. You can't deny, and you are actually the one, and I don't know if I ever told you this, man. So I'll tell you this, give you your flowers here on the air in front of everybody.

SPEAKER_04 52:40

Man, dude, you man, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Yeah, I can't wait. You are the person that actually got me, because I started saying this stuff, and and even wrote it in my book that the Bible is not religious, it's a history book. It's it's it's it's based on historical events and things that have happened, and you there are extra biblical resources that you can get into that will speak, and it's not gonna conflict with the scripture, but it is it is actually to give uh an additional credence or level, another layer or level of of reinforcement to the to the scripture. Because I was bro, I was Bible only. You I wasn't going anything that was outside the scriptures, bro. I wouldn't, I didn't even consider it. You know, like nah, nah, bro, you ain't catching me up at not, you know, but but and then to see your studiousness, man, and the way you search stuff out, bro. You you have so many notes and stuff that you don't ever even show how much notes you didn't research.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

No, it's ridiculous. Yeah, I get I I look at it, I get perplexed looking at it, like, oh man, like yeah, yeah. Yeah, uh, yeah, I got that from you know, but I I want to give up big ups to the Jehovah's Witness, man, because that's what they do because they have a book, they have a book called Reasoning, Reason of the Scriptures, or Reason for the Scripture, Reason of the Scriptures, and they give extra sources, they talk about, you know, they give biblical sources and then they get external sources as well. And to coincide that to uh to bring it all home, and it's like wow, and I appreciate that. So uh see, look at that and and that because that helped me to receive the kingdom and understand the teaching. Uh, I mean that don't do everything right, but I I give them big ups because it's they don't even have they only have uh inside the congregation. There's no hierarchy because people you got brothers, but um a little bit. And then they need that the sisters don't go up there and give talks. They might give, they might give um they do sit, uh they do you go up there and they give situations because you know they're going door to doors, so they showing you how to respond and certain things. So that's when the women involved before as going up there. I don't know how it is, it's been a while, but I haven't seen that. But most of the men go up there and give talks, but it's not the same person. You might be sitting around there, it's like, hey, next week is you. It's like wow, wow, I I gotta brush up on my talk, and I gotta figure out what I'm gonna do. And so I give a big ups to that. But I love how things come together with us, man. You know, that we are saying the gospel singers, man.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:38

Not the Sons of Thunder, man. You know what I'm saying? Because you and I we both got yeah, we both got that spirit, because I'd be want to see things get punished too. That's my my favorite, one of my favorite genre movies is seeing people getting getting people getting played, you know. Yeah, about time, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Um we all got a little bit of that in us, man.

SPEAKER_04 56:04

We are so like he said, when we do come on here in the microphones and talk to the people, we have a certain tone and we gotta we gotta pull back on that. Yeah, we do, because I'll be like, uh, because I can speak so annoyed and frustrated, but it's not at the people, it's at the institution. Yes, I I can't stand it, and you know what I'm saying, and I I might excuse me, I got a few things I gotta say.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

So go ahead, bro.

Relationship Over Ritual

SPEAKER_04 56:31

The word Christian, I don't like it. I don't and I understand, but it it reminds me of the N-word, you know what I'm saying? It's like it's just a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 56:43

You know, here hear me out, okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

You know, uh, because like you say, it's not the word Christian in Christianity, it's in God's will, so it's something man-made, just like the N-word is man-made, you know, because these people from Nigeria, whatever, and but it has a different meaning, and so nowadays people see Christian as you know has a bad connotation to it, right? And and you can't clean, you know, as much as you want to clean it up, it goes back to its original origin that it came from something from a pagan man. And same way with the N-word, you might want to say the N-I-G-G-A.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

Clean it up, right? It's a term of endearment now, but right, but even a only only when we say it to each other, though. Yeah, right. It's not a term of endearment if somebody outside of our culture say it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 57:36

But even with even with us, man, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 57:39

Like, like when I told you please, you better get that out of my face, man.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

Emphasize that it's a decorative but what I want to say is, man, you know, only fool only fools learn from things, you know, learn from experience. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

That is true.

SPEAKER_04 58:10

And I, you know, when we do this podcast, I sit back and I learn from you, man. And I and that's I'm giving you a fly. So I sit back, you know what I'm saying? Let's learn. And I, you know, and you know, you and I talk about the DJ Jazzy Jeff poster. I am the, you know, I'm the DJ.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 58:28

And you the teacher, I'm the preacher, man. And I don't pretend to know everything about the gospel, you know. A lot of times, I do, right? But you know more than me, right? And so that I do. And so I sit back and I listen, I listen to you, and I just, you know, instead of saying like act like I do know, like, I just say, yeah, man, you know, because I have some people that I speak to and they tell me, like, I you know, they'd throw scripture back at me, but like, but you gotta, we all gotta be humble enough to learn from it.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

You know, uh, I learned from my I learned from my kids, I learned from my wife.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 59:05

I know more scripture, but she, you know, she could, you know, she'll say some stuff to convict me, man. You know, like same here. You know, the main thing is this diet thing, you know. Then I saw the scripture about being vegan. I shouldn't, you know, make fun of people who eat meat. Right. And you know, and then another thing my wife convicted me on, like, you don't take pleasure in people's calamities. That's something to always take to me. Yeah, and to the point where I had a co-worker who I love so much, she was uh she came to work and she was happy about this girl that she doesn't like, getting a terrible job, and she was happy. And now I was like, she was happy, man. And I put it to the side, like sis, you know, you can't you can't be like that, man. You can't take pleasure in calamity. And she's like, Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. But I'm just not surprised it happened to her. I say, okay, you can you don't have to be surprised what happened to her, but just don't take pleasure in calculation.

SPEAKER_02 59:58

But don't, right, don't, don't relish. Yeah, right, true, true.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

And and one thing that's what I love about God putting this podcasting on my heart. Because originally, me being a podcaster was gonna do was in sports.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

Oh, okay. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

Originally, the first I was gonna do in sports, but then sports is like second, third language. Uh my first language is music. And so okay, okay, yeah. So now the gospel is because I'm trying to get the gospel, my first language. It's still like my second language, man. I'm not as comfortable talking it publicly, yeah, like I am music, you know. Right. Uh well, you know, you and I, I can you and I kick it. I got comfortable with you. Yeah, my wife and I are comfortable. You know, but publicly, like it on here, I I get a little hesitant because it's a responsibility, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

It is, man. It's heavy. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

It is you know, you know, uh teaching and preaching the gospel, and like you know, back in the day, entering the holy of the holies, man, ancient times required a high priest to perform serious strict rituals, purification acts once a year, day of atonement, man. Right, right, after making his own sin, his own sacrifices for his and uh that's deep, man. And so yeah, but that's one thing Jesus freed us from, you know. That's my good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

Because he is our great high priest, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

That's when that that curtain was ripped, man. Get it out of here, get it out of here, get it out of here.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

That's it, that's it. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:34

And one thing, my my my my cousin Mario, who's a preacher, man, he always said this when I first got and I started renewing my uh relationship with the Lord. He said, Hicks, he said, you know how everybody, when they think about you, they think about Michael Jackson. And I was like, Yeah, he said, Man, it's time for them when they think about you, they think about Jesus. And right, and you know, and but that's a daunting task, man, because you know, don't say because Michael Jackson, I've been feeling Michael Jackson sounds a child, right? So it's almost impossible. You know, that's why I push back a lot of it, but right when I do entertain, that comes out like you saw the video yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yes, absolutely. Heavily influenced by entertainment.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:21

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

But you know, I sit back and I listen to you and I just learn because you got this understanding, and um we've been doing this podcast what since uh what about a year and a half.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

I haven't and I haven't I started I started diving deep into the kingdom in 2019. And so I'm still new, but like I said, what helped me to understand what I'm you know talking about and learning is when I went to the kingdom of hall. But you know, you grew up and I mean you grew up in the church and but then you uh transformed and trans, you know, to the kingdom, and so I appreciate you. So that's why I sit back, man. Because I don't, man, I'm I still learn it, man. And we all learn, bro. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:12

But I feel you, I feel you, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:15

So I wanted to say that to you, man, and to the people.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

Uh yeah, so that was on my heart. I woke up, man. Matter of fact, when I said I woke up with the dogs, I I wrote this out. I you know, before I went laid back down, I wrote this out because I want to make sure I said this to you and said it to the people of God, man. But yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

That's humbling, bro, man. I appreciate you, dude. I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, it's bro, it's people of God. All all we can it we absolutely love you, and all we say is just and study these things for yourself, not just the scriptures, but the historical documentation of these things. It it helps to solidify and confirm what the word is talking about, man. These things are in our rear view, they've been done. They're not and and it's such a cop-out that the it's not a cop-out. Let me change that. It's a deception of the enemy to get us to still be looking forward and towards something that gets us from fulfilling the purpose and the call, the true purpose and call of God. We are we are here in this earth to be fruitful, multiply, replenish, subdue, and dominate it, and and enjoy the resources that our father has given us as a family, and we don't war against each other. We got another enemy that we should already have done done banished by now. But what he keeps us from being able to do that is because he keeps us fighting among each other and he keeps us looking towards something that's already happened. And that is you're talking about being on a treadmill or a hamster wheel. We self-checks, you know, by and large, you know, because we're we're we're spending so much time on things that are not uh the intentions of our father.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:22

And we gotta remember it's a relationship, you know. Absolutely, and you know, and your worship comes to your relationship, the love out of relationship. You know, just imagine your child, just say you got it, you got a child, and you go into the room and they got a shrine with all your pictures on there, like and singing songs about you, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:46

Don't talk to you personally and engage with you, but it's always about telling you about this this shrine they got uh towards you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

In your bedroom, it's like oh wow, you know this is crazy. Like you crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:02

I would feel somewhere when in my daughter's room is all pictures of me and all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

I'd be like, oh my god, you got me.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

Yeah, what is all this about? You got me, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:15

You ain't gonna do all this cool. Let's let's go have breakfast and let's go.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

Let bro I don't want to play in all my videos and all this stuff, and I gotta be like, come on. Oh no, it's a lot more to life. How many times can you tell God how great and wonderful he is, bro, in a in a in a service? You know what I mean? I ain't talking about you know appreciating like like you know, our family, man. Well, you know, my family parts of them, man. Every time they leave a room and they're kicking it, we're talking, okay. Well, I'll be back, love you, and they go. They say love you. You know, it's just it's just part of the dialogue. Yeah, it it's it's not if I walk in the room, my daughter falls down on my knees and and all this stuff, bruh.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:07

You gave me birth. I love you so much. Oh my god, and without you, I wouldn't be listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

I'm so oh my god, in comparison to you, I just oh I'm such I'm a wretch.

Health Tip And Lighthearted Close

SPEAKER_02 1:07:21

I'm so undone, you know, and and and and we're laughing at it because it's laughable and one, we used to do it, yeah. We used to do it. It's it's it's freedom, bro. When it just like to hear, I love you, man. When you how much when you go in prayer, when you just go in to pray, do you just come in and sit down in the father's presence and be like, I I'm just here just to kick it. I really don't got nothing to say about what's going on. I already talked to you about this. I ain't gonna what you doing? You know, how you doing? How you doing today, Lord? How's your morning? You know, what's going on with you? What what you want to get into? You know, the anything particular on your heart, your mind. It's a relationship, bro. Yeah, it's it ain't one-sided, it ain't just going in with our going in with your checklist and you know, and do this and do that, did this, oh and I, yeah, no, okay, went through that part, and okay, yep, did that. Bro, it's an authentic relationship. It's man, I had I ain't gonna share this because of the um the nature of of the dream, but I had a dream, bro, that was so disturbing to me, and it brought so much condemnation into my heart when I got up, man, and I I felt like I couldn't go pray because it, you know, because it was so, you know, it was so d disturbing. And I said, I went in, came my room lord, was like, come on, he's like, Don't you want to talk about that dream? I was like, No, I don't, I don't. It was like it was like, we need to talk about it, you know, and we talked about and bro, and as we talked about it, it was so liberating. It was it freaked the all of the burden I had and condemnation out, it just was gone, bro. Took it away. Why? Because out of the relationship that we got that we have, it there was no judgment in it, you know what I mean? It was no judgment in it. It was like it it happens, bro. You know what I mean? Had dreams, you know, this seemed a little crazy. Man, don't don't take ownership of it. It that there's no it was no indictment of who you are, right? And especially of who I think you are, you know what I mean? And it was it was so liberating, bro. And I'm like, thank you. Just for just being cuz it's like just yeah, cool. We cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:05

Yeah, just this that relationship, and then we talked about Micah Turnbow, just how he just oh yeah, how he came to Micah, Micah about his his uh sexuality and how he how he turned him around, how he yeah how he eventually repented.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Yeah, and it was so crazy. I'm not crazy, but it was so it was it was crazy to hear it, but it was so amazing of of how much the father loves us, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:34

And he wasn't condemning them, you know, and I appreciate it. But yeah, that's man, we about to wrap this up. Let's let's go. I got a I got a funny story for you, man. Funny story. This this tied into the health tip.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

To the health, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:48

You know, our body chemistry changes, you know. One thing we know, you know, uh some things you might do, and then all of a sudden your body chemistry changed. I had a conversation with my um with my uh with my daughter, and she was like, Man, I used to use a certain deodorant, it doesn't work anymore. I don't know how many of you guys uh that you have that experience. I've had that experience. I had certain deodorants that worked at one point, then all of a sudden it's don't work anymore. It's like I need something stronger. And um sometimes uh that comes from internal, internally, and so it other cultures in the in the east, a lot of them don't even use deodorant, you know. And but they don't smell right, right. So a lot of them take they a lot of them they eat they eat, you know, they eat uh a lot of vegetables and stuff like that. So I've taken this the uh internal deodorant called dios. It's a okay, it's a supplement, and the main ingredients is chlorophyll, parsley, and mint. And when I tell you it works, bro, that uh it works. Um so uh speaking of church, man, so my body chemistry had changed. So I don't know. I'm in church, man. I'm sitting in the pew, bro. And now I'm smelling something like man. What the world? I'm looking to my left, to my right, and I'm kind of centralized. There really nobody next to me. I'm like, oh, is that me? Man, went to the bathroom, I was sweating down there, man. You know, I that's a term the term that I came up. It's called taint stank. The taint stank was on lame, bro. I'm in a panic because I'm an usher, so I'm walking around people like I'm walking by people like, man, this dude ain't taking no shower. Like, what the heck? So I had to think quick, man. Holy Spirit, what should I do? And um got me, uh I cleaned myself up, and then I was like, I gotta go to crack at some, I maybe have some clone or something. I went to my car, man. Why the preacher was preaching? I'm in the car dog, and I couldn't find any clone. But what I did find was one of those car freshers, those little tree boys, yeah, yeah. I did some MacGyver stuff, man. Attached the strings just like an inside button, and they let that tree sit on the tank, man. I was like brand new up in that piece, bro. That's what's up, but I say all this now. I don't have an issue, my right, my underarms, any of that, man. Um even bro, even gas, even my bathroom experience, you're gonna smell nothing because it clears all that up. Wow, that's what's up, dude. So, you know, I I was telling my daughter about it. It's I was like, it's she's like, I was like, man, I I'm not saying I'm mean or doing this on purpose, but I'd be crop dusting, man, and people just don't be knowing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:21

Parsley, chlorophyll, and mint, you know, and mint and meant me like do you get did you just get a whiff of a minty? So people pick it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:34

If you got these, go to TikTok, go to Amazon. It's called Dio's D-E-O-S. It's wow, it's of something, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:42

There you have it. All right, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:45

Well you want to get rid of that tank stank.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

That's what I'm saying. Get rid of the tank stank, go get you some dios.

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SPEAKER_02 1:14:54

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SPEAKER_01 1:15:15

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SPEAKER_03 1:15:28

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