The Gospel Twins Podcast
A podcast that brings the freedom and truth of God's Kingdom to the masses.
The Gospel Twins Podcast
Tracing Hidden Histories, Challenging Violence, And Pointing People Back To An Unshakable Kingdom
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The Gospel Twins move from holiday honesty to hard truth, tracing the racist roots of Jingle Bells, naming hidden histories, and laying out a practical path to redemption that honors the harmed rather than whitewashing the past. They pair cultural clarity with policy courage, argue for a shared future, and unpack redemption vs salvation with precision.
• holiday stress, tight budgets, thin Christmas spirit
• racist origins of Jingle Bells and why truth matters
• redeeming traditions by honoring those harmed
• mass shootings, moral consistency, rights vs righteousness
• one future and shared responsibility for human dignity
• food systems, school lunches, health and lobbying
• redemption versus salvation, and working out salvation
• secular art as a bridge for sacred purpose
• Tupac’s pain as cultural lament and a missed pastoral moment
• winter health basics: vitamin D with K2, sleep, handwashing
• seeking the unshakable Kingdom for peace and steadiness
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Holiday Vibes And Thin Wallets
SPEAKER_00This is the Gospel Twins with your hosts, John and John, your go-to podcast for the kingdom perspective on current events and the good news God has for the culture. Get ready to renew your mind, one piece at a time.
SPEAKER_02People of God, people of God, welcome back to the Gospel Twin Podcast when you get your mind renewed piece by piece and episode by episode. And I am Sean. And I am John. And we are the Gospel Twin.
SPEAKER_04Yes, sir. Yes, that's what's up, Don. What's up, dude?
SPEAKER_02Man, I'm on that journey. You know, uh, bro, it's just crazy how I love the information age at this end. And I love information. Please, Lord, just keep sending it to me.
SPEAKER_01Send it to me.
SPEAKER_02Dude. Yes. We need a holiday season, am I right? So how are you feeling? How are you feeling? Are you in the spirit or what?
SPEAKER_04Man, me it's funny, man. Me and wifey literally was sitting on the couch yesterday, and she is like, I am not in the Christmas spirit. She was like, I am not. Dude. So, you know, I she was like, You I, you know, of course I gave my canned answer. Oh, I'm always in the Christmas bear because I know, you know. Would you shut up? You know, you know, you know what I mean. You know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01I wish I could have been there for that one.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I get, I get both sides for sure. Um, what what's looming with the prices of everything? Um, you know, we do uh Christmas on Christmas Eve over here. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And the sentiment was like, man, man, the funds is the funds are low this year. So the focus is gonna just be on the grandkids, and like and then my um my oldest daughter just got a new house, so she was like, our money went to there, went to the house.
SPEAKER_04Yes, for sure.
SPEAKER_02And then you know, it was funny too. Like our kids are all getting their own spot, and it's like they all take took their turns, with the exception of a few that live with us, but you know how they just just how their behavior when they was living with us opposed to now they got their own spot. Now there's like so my oldest daughter's like, we just gonna be there just for a hot sack, and we ain't we ain't gonna spend that much time, you know. Now she wants to spend time at the crib, and then for sure, yeah. Your other daughter got her apartment, and she just like since she got her own spot, we barely even see her, bro.
SPEAKER_04Oh man, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So they people talking about they don't have money for gifts and all that, and so yeah, yeah. I get it. I was like, hey, join the club, man. We gotta we I guess toilet, man. We still gotta work on that. I need a new toilet, and so that's gonna have drive drive guests upstairs, sure, right, right.
SPEAKER_03Right, and uh privacy You don't want that, bro.
SPEAKER_02And Tyres, you know, my cousin Tyres who just he's all about tradition. He um yeah, he convinced my my wife because we didn't even have we don't have a Christmas tree up yet at all. Oh wow, yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_04Bro, our Christmas tree went up the day after Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_01We don't have it up, man.
SPEAKER_04You waiting on you, you're like, look, I need the Christmas bear to even get this Christmas tree up, man.
SPEAKER_02But what we do have, you know, we got a six-foot grinch, so he come up.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And um, and then we get that might not be what you want to lead off with.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, trying to get the Christmas, bro. That's the theme of that crib because our bat I uh guest bathroom is decorating the Grinch.
SPEAKER_04The Grinch. Yeah, so the Grinch is out.
SPEAKER_02So the Grinch is out, but everything else, nope. I got one Rudolph in my I got a little Rudolph figurine I got in my TV room. But other than that, and if it were for Tyres, like telling my wife, like, you know, what's up with the Christmas tree? So she's like, Yeah, yeah. You help me out, I'll you know, I'll put it up.
SPEAKER_04Get it up there.
SPEAKER_02They pulled it up, and they still nobody assembled anything, it's still in the box, man.
SPEAKER_04Oh, pulling it upstairs, pulling it upstairs, but not putting up. Okay, so this coming phases, man.
SPEAKER_01So look, this leads me into this.
SPEAKER_02Did you know jingle bells originated as a menstrual song?
SPEAKER_01No, man.
Jingle Bells’ Origins And Cultural Honesty
SPEAKER_02What the Cambridge a guy at the Cambridge University, man. Cambridge uh university wrote an essay, man. That the man who wrote jingle bells used to uh do menstrual shows, and that's how he got paid. And his first uh the first draft, the first when he when he was on his his tour, his menstrual tour. Oh my god, saying that he had a song called uh uh let me tell you, man. So I want to get this girl for that because I was just but you know, but yeah, I saw that, I was tripping, like man, what else is coming out?
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, right?
SPEAKER_04All this man, the the fun the funny part about this all is, bro, is that and this and this is actually a good lead-in for the first part of a conversation we have about redeeming things because people it's the difference between whitewashing stuff and making it palatable and and you know, and making it to where people can digest it, but then there's still this back room where everybody knows the truth and all these back winks and stuff, man. Can you imagine being in a room when everybody, you know, you coming in and you think everything is all good and gravy, but in behind the scenes, people got this little secret thing everybody knows about you and your situation, and it's kind of the joke behind the scene, you know? And nobody would appreciate that. Nobody would. So let's, you know, come out with it, like you know, the origin of this, you know, um is was this, and you know what, man, that was so ill for for for us, you know, the people that did that and take and take responsibility for the ancestry and the irresponsibility of it. You know what I mean? Really like, man, they they was ill, man. I you know what I ran. This is why one of the biggest things that Paul talks about to the Corinthian church being able to come into the fullness of understanding the gospel, the kingdom, is he said you got to renounce things of the hidden things of dishonesty. It's the reason why he says that it's it's hidden, you know what I mean? These truths, these realities are hidden at the foundational level, and we need to renounce those things. He's like, You renounce it, you know, just like man, it was that was ill, bro. You know what I mean? I don't know, they was on some different stuff back then, man. You know, we gotta forget that, but man, I don't I don't have no parts of this. And it's like you said, it's like once you know that, man, maybe if you're gonna call yourself trying to redeem the situation and not whitewash it, is then kind of celebrate the people who it was harming, you know what I mean? Yeah, like you were saying about Thanksgiving. Hey, let's go forward with Thanksgiving, but let's acknowledge what it is and let's give uh the Native Americans, you know, uh a mad salute as the priority of this day, you know what I mean? Yeah, man. Uh, so we can still keep going on with it and Thanksgiving, because bring the people that was wronged into the celebration. You know what I mean? You know, don't don't just don't just like you said, whitewash it and and just act like it didn't happen and then don't acknowledge the fact and you want these people to just you know just join in just because you traditionally want to want to do this. No, let's deal with it, let's go to the origin of it, deal with that, and and then bring those people into the celebration by honoring uh their present after we forgive what happened in the past, man. And that is truly how you redeem something as opposed to just trying to you know whitewash it and and just keep going on with it.
SPEAKER_02Uh the song was originally called The One Horse Open Slay, and it debuted in Blackface at Orde Hall in Boston in September 1857. And the picture that accompanied dog is two black people, man. Of course, they're just their features are exaggerated, man. Of course. Then the sleigh and they're getting driven around with two donkeys, bro. It just yeah, a team fast on the snow, and it's it's two white, it's a a black couple, man, and making fun of them. So this picture was accompanied by that song. Yeah, there it is, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that bro, that's that's ill. And you know, and and like you said, man, you know, thank God for the information age, man, because it brings things to light. Because another thing that the Lord said was gonna happen, he said, every every plant that my father hasn't planted, it's getting root, it's getting plucked up, bro. Y'all gotta deal with that. You know, this this is something that Jesus has said, so that means it's going to have to happen. We can keep ignoring it from generation to generation, or thinking that, you know, oh, that's just something dope Jesus said, and man blessed, died, and all it. No, he's like, no, this is real. You know what I mean? If my father, because how is this world gonna have nothing but righteousness in it? Right, if it's if it's built on all of this other unrighteous stuff, he's like, No, that's why you gotta pluck up that stuff and get rid of it and plant new trees and new things, you know, and go, but you can still plant it in the same soil, but but you we you can't let these wheat and these tares grow up together. He said you can let them grow, but at some point, he said, when you fully can understand which one is the wheat and which one are the tares, there has to be a separation that takes place. And and he said it's the angels that make those separations. So that means we got to be in the spirit, man, and and utilizing all of these resources that the father gave us to uproot this stuff. And one of the things that he gave us as a resource, man, is is humbling ourselves, man, and renouncing those hidden things of dishonesty, bro. That's terrible. How dishonest is that? We we all sing in jingle bands, just laughing, laughing all the way, and all the way, and and the origin of it, man, is is this crap. Yeah, man. It's crazy stuff, man. We we gotta get better, bro. We gotta get better, man.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's terrible. It is another thing I too want to address too is um I saw on the line they were talking about, I think they're talking about death sentence or uh child molestation. You have you seen that?
SPEAKER_04I have not.
SPEAKER_02Okay, uh supposed to be I guess there's something when it passed death sentence to child's molestation. And which, okay, whatever. You know, I'm not against that. We know that molestation and child molestation is horrible.
SPEAKER_04It's horrible, absolutely.
Redeeming Traditions Versus Whitewashing
SPEAKER_02But can we do something about these mass shootings? Um, we had uh I'm at I'm at the mass shooting tracker because we had another one uh mass shooting yesterday at the college. Uh two people died and nine injured. And we had we have more mass shootings than we have days this year. We have 464.
SPEAKER_05Wow.
SPEAKER_02But we're not talking about that. We're we're railing against all the other acts of deviant acts against kids, but man, we're talking about something that's ending their lives.
SPEAKER_04Listen, going right, going in there and just snuffing out their futures and and everything, absolutely, man. Through violence, through particularly gun violence. I mean, bro. Just to uphold the Second Amendment? Yeah. And that's that's again putting pe putting rights above people, man. You know what I mean? Is it's like people, the thing when you know, one of the things is do you want to be right or do you want to be reconciled? You know what I mean? And yeah, okay, man, you can defend I have a right to do this. You know what I mean? It's a lot of things we have a right to do, but it's not right to do. And it's bro, do you we can this is something that we can easily control. You know what I mean? You're not telling people to take away your right to own a firearm, but you know, first you need to go through all the right channels to do that. But then if you abuse that privilege, then there has to be some strenuous things put into place that will curb people from taking these types of actions. Not only, bro, if your weapon, um, if you go and use, okay, man, yeah, I I don't know who's gonna who's what these people are using this stuff for, but then this is why they do extensive background checks for you to get um you know a firearm. Why do you think they do that? Because if something goes off or pops off with your firearm, we coming to you. Yeah, you being held responsible. Well, somehow somebody stole it from me. Well, or or why why didn't you report that immediately if somebody stole your firearm? Or this or that, man, and start telling people you're gonna be held responsible for your irresponsibilities, or and then putting strenuous laws. And if you use this firearm in this capacity, this is gonna be your you know the consequence of your actions and all this. So 100%, man. You don't cherry pick what we're gonna bring to at the heart. Look, if we're gonna start coming after people for abusing children, which we should, yep, because Jesus literally said, if you offend one of these little ones, it's better for you to tie throw a millstone around your neck and just throw yourself off in the ocean, find a short pier and take a long walk. You know what I mean? This is what Jesus said. So if he has that attitude about young children, he he's conveying that we should have that same attitude. And so, man, mass shootings is just as, you know, and I don't want to put a comparison in that. I know, I know. You know, molestation is horrible, but that's not an ended life.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_04That's that, you know, so so if you said, yeah, molestation should have a death penalty to it, I'm not necessarily saying that shouldn't be the case, but I'm saying, like, okay, well, if that got a death penalty to it, then this should probably have a death penalty too.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_04Even more so, yeah, right, because you're you're ending life here.
SPEAKER_02You know, ending dreams, just dreams, everything.
SPEAKER_04You you're snuffing out futures, bro. And he and one of the things, man, and one of the one of the biggest parts of us healing as a as a as a world is that we gotta, there's no such thing, and I just said it with an S. And and we can keep saying futures as it pertains to individual people, but the reality is, bro, there's no such thing as futures as as in there's a bunch of different futures. There's one future that we all have in common. Now we all have a part to play as it pertains to how that future unfolds, but there is not one life, bro, that is not contributing to the future of us all, whether it be in a negative or a positive way. So we got to recognize first that we're all intertwined, bro. We're one blood, we're one race of people, like Paul talks about in Acts 17. God, we're all God's offspring. And if we don't take this serious, man, it's like, am I my brother's keeper? Yeah, yeah, I I am. And uh man, this we we share a common future, bro. And we gotta come, and before we can even come together on that, all this other crap gotta get gotta get dealt with. And if bringing a strenuous uh law against uh things, man, and for punishment, if you violate it, bro, then bring it on if that's what needs to happen. You know what I mean? So yeah, I'm with you, man. I I would love to be against death penalty, period, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I just I wanted to comment so much, but I you know, uh I just know how the masters get. Sure. Cause I could easily like, uh yeah, man, lestation is terrible. It's horrible, but death is worse. It's worse. And no one, no one, everybody's clapping, yeah, about time, but nobody's saying anything about anything about these mad shootings, man.
SPEAKER_04And I haven't even heard any anything about it. I so that goes to show you how much it's just not in mainstream media because I heard anything about it.
Mass Shootings, Justice, And Rights
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Uh just man, there's so much we need to work on. And it's a lot, man. It is a lot, man. And I think right now it most Americans are feeling a lot of it, and there's so much divisiveness, and then you got the you got you got this administration said the prices are good and we're we're we're thriving when we're not.
SPEAKER_04And right, you're just outwardly lying to the people, you know.
SPEAKER_02Come on, bro.
SPEAKER_04Who who is that who is that news for? Yeah, everybody that's outside of America, because we know it ain't true.
SPEAKER_02So I get faced with it every week, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm I'm always trying to like, I'm this is my limit, this is my limit. I'm not trying to go over 130. Oh my god. Yeah. 210. Right.
SPEAKER_04I mean, like, what did I even what did I even get? Yes.
SPEAKER_02You know, you know, you know what I mean. Yeah, so that's how it is. We got Christmas and the mass shootings.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Dude.
SPEAKER_02But you know, seek the kingdom, people, seek the kingdom.
SPEAKER_04Bro, it the kingdom is is the only thing that's going because it's the only thing that remains unchanging and unshakable, man. Economies, man's economy go up and down, it vacillates, man, men's, you know, their societal and around the the things that impact society changes and all of this stuff, man. The only thing that remains unchanged is the kingdom. And and God isn't trying to do this to ruin our fun or anything, bro. He's trying to say, look, I'm trying to help. You how to enjoy, have and enjoy life in an abundant way and get rid of all that other uh dramatic crap, man, that's uh that's weighing on on us and killing us, man. Bro, we we're dying from this stuff, man. You know what I mean? We're people are having health issues because the greedy government and all of this stuff, man, and people being able to be bought and lobbied and all this stuff, man, is you calling feeding people poison, you know, on purpose and relaxing F S D A, F D, whatever it is, standards and all, if they even had great standards to begin with, but you know, all this other stuff, FBI and all this stuff, and people finding out they're involved with some crazy crap and just all this different stuff, man. There's just bruh, it gets to the point where like who can I even trust anymore? Yeah, you know, what what's even true? And then and then what the abuse of AI, not AI itself, because it's just a tool, bro. But when you abuse it and and and deceive people with it and and all this stuff, and that you it's like, what is true? You know, what else? If I didn't have the kingdom, bro, I I'll be like yes. This is recent. I'm out, you know, you know, I'm out, and and yeah, man, that's a terrible, terrible place to get to, dude.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, well, if you don't like it, you can always leave.
SPEAKER_04But where you gonna go though? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Go leave, and then this guy was giving, he was giving beats like, no, how about you just do better?
SPEAKER_04Like, just this that's the answer. The answer is not running, the answer is let's let's do better. And and man, it there's there's just not the heart to want, because we've seen people that have come to the forefront to make things better and be killed, you know, for wanting to make things better. So you got a lot of people like, yeah, man, I I got I could tell you the foods and things you can eat to cure cancer, but you know, if I do, big farmer gonna put a hit out on me, you know.
SPEAKER_02So you know, I'm watching before we got on the mic, I saw this video this guy posted, and I'm gonna post it on um social media. He's comparing American lunches. We talked about the kids, we're talking about the schools, and we're talking about uh FDA and all that. And he's comparing the American Lunch, which is, and he shows American Lunch, chicken nuggets, peas, a cookie, a couple, a cup of uh fruit, and and some mashed potatoes. In that stupid milk garden. And so compared to other countries, man, I'm looking at Brazil, they got plantain, they got fresh food, fresh food. Black beans on rice. Then uh uh Italy got man fresh grapes, man, pasta, meat on a bed of lettuce, man, uh a baguette, and then you got some like sliced tomatoes.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes, real stuff, like life, life-giving food.
SPEAKER_02Man, Spain, Spain got uh shrimp and rice, they got a slice of orange, tomato soup, and a baguette and um and a vegetable mixture, man. Fresh, I mean, look, these these colors of these vegetables are popping, bro. It's herb. It's not like the we have here, they spray paint stuff and dyes and what is that about, dude?
SPEAKER_04Come on, man.
SPEAKER_02I'm looking up. I can't wait to post this. And this guy's like, I can't believe he got the Ukraine, got sausage on some on the bed of uh smashed potatoes and um coleslaw.
SPEAKER_04I mean, just dude real food, actual food, actual food, not just bruh, bruh, right? Not this ain't even me. That's what he's talking about. Like, we don't even know what's in the nugget. This ain't even me. You can just call it a nugget. I can call it a chicken nugget, but what what did people used to say? Look, man, I could put I could put uh uh uh whatever in a garage that'll make it a car, bro. I could call it a chicken nugget, but that'll make it chicken just because I called it a chicken nugget. We got to do better, bro. We got to do how you just gonna have a plate of chemicals, bro.
SPEAKER_02So you can end up at the hospital, you know the routine, ending up at the hospital, and then you get your medicine and prescribe medicine, yes, yes, it's terrible.
SPEAKER_04It is, it is, and for what?
SPEAKER_01I'm angry, man. I'm laughing.
SPEAKER_04I know this is this is this is your this is your uh passion here, though, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because we've been having these conversations like the kids aren't built like they used to, why they got all these allergies, man. And I wonder why. Peanut allergies, man.
SPEAKER_04What? Okay, yeah, our parents used to teach us you are what you eat. You know, well, then you're just a chemical walking, bro. You're just an unbalanced chemical, and then you wonder why you can you got all these triggers, yeah, because chemicals react to things different.
SPEAKER_02Messing with your mental triggers, yes, you know. Oh why it got just be a simple fix, just just just as you just said, stop, yeah, first do it now.
SPEAKER_04Give us first, just stop doing that, and then let's do better, bro. Let's do better.
SPEAKER_02Everything, everything don't have to be a business, right?
One Future, Shared Responsibility
SPEAKER_04Right, everything gotta be about money making and all of this stuff, man. And and and for what, bro? And at the expense of what you know, human lives, bro? Yeah, man. Yeah, the the the thing that actually that this world needs is people, and not and God made it to where this world not only has people, but it has healthy people. For this earth to be a healthy place, we need healthy people, you know. This earth is an absolute extension and reflection of the people that are on it. You want to talk about global, all of the climate and everything is just so chaotic, and this is happening, this is happening because the people are experiencing this. Is how the people are living, and the earth is just a reflection of that. It grows, bro, and gives you back what you put into it. Yep, and all this mental dysfunction and and hatred and prejudice and extra to where we're hanging and killing people, then you wonder why the weather comes with extreme prejudice, you know, destroying stuff and all of this stuff, and you just got garbage thrown all over the place, and the earth can't even do anything with it, man. And and it just regurgitates it back out onto the surface and all this stuff, and and man, it's bro.
SPEAKER_02Just like look, I was having a conversation with a co-worker, you know, we and um she just got a new car. And uh first cat question I asked, like, what color is it? She said, White. I said, Have you noticed it like when you go to my when I go to my job, I work at Fort Motor Company, you look in the parking lot, bro? My you know, I have a I have a red car, my car stands out. You know, why? Because a lot of these companies aren't making bright colors, man. And the 70s, 60s, 70s, and 80s colors, uh, car colors were like the rainbow, the varieties, yeah. Now if you look at them, they all just dreadful, man. It's gray and and smoke and green, navy. Look, they all dark, bro. Wow, just pay attention. You go to Raw, it's like so. Like the car, like you might have some red cars, some yellow cars, yeah.
SPEAKER_04They stand out.
SPEAKER_02Most cars are taupe, brown, just all these dreadful colors, man. It's like like a like a gray sky. I'm like, man. Yeah. And she's like, Yeah, I never thought about that. Like, she's oh I'm glad I got white. So, yeah, uh, even white.
SPEAKER_04I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But it's the they're not offering colors, man.
SPEAKER_04And I think it has I think it's a mental thing. Yeah, and very, very well could be. Um, man, when you when you become thoughtful and mindful of things and look around and wonder why things are happening the way they happen and why trends, certain trends, why is this going this way? Right, you you can track it back, man. You can always do that. And like you said, if things, if people not into colors and vibrant, you're a very colorful person. Your wardrobe is colorful and everything, but that's because you're a very joyful person naturally. So, all of the things you have, all this eclectic stuff, man, because joy is like a rainbow. It, you know, you find joy in a bunch of stuff, man. Other than you know, than me, you laugh more than than I do. And I laugh at a ton, I'm just always laughing, man.
SPEAKER_02I've been holding this pause, the pause on the rainbow, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_04No, go ahead. Pause, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02No, pause, no, pause. No, no, pause. You you know what I'm talking about, pause on the rainbow. The rainbow as in noah and not in pride. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, yeah, I missed that.
SPEAKER_04But it is true. Absolutely, dude. Paul. Dude, I'm sad. I'm sad. But this see, but this leads into this, man. The redemption, bro.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_04We gotta redeem these things, man. Paul Paul said we we have the ability to redeem the time, you know. That because why why would you say that? Because we're getting time gets lost and wasted in things that we shouldn't be even dealing with. You know what I mean? It's we need to redeem this stuff, man. You can't take, you know, we ain't gonna turn this into that conversation, but like you said, the rainbow, bro. It we know what it means. You know, it's it's a promise, yes, you know, that God gave to Noah. And what was that promise that I'll never destroy the earth again, man? I won't do that. But what people want to do to fit into a theology, instead of hearing the heart of God, oh, he said he wasn't gonna destroy the earth with a flood again. Oh, he was he's gonna do it now. This time by fire, you know, God don't need to play these word games with you, man. I said I'm never gonna, I did the that was the promise, so you would know that I will never do this to the earth again, ever. And then you got a whole group of people in their anti-theology thinking that oh, the destruction of the earth is coming, dog. Oh, yeah, it's coming, and God is because he's a consuming fire, and he's gonna destroy his earth with bruh, and you sick for even thinking that that's a cool thing, you know. Did I call him sick? You I didn't mean it like that.
SPEAKER_02You might want that, but no, they be ill in, they be ill, they be healing, for real.
SPEAKER_03For real, yes, you be ill, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Dude, run the prophets said it back. You be illin', bro. Um, but yeah, man. Speaking of the redemption thing, man.
SPEAKER_02Get into the salvation and redemption, okay.
Food, Health, And Broken Systems
SPEAKER_04Yeah, all right. So, what prompted this, bro? Because you, I mean, you know, the big thing that always has been is uh can you lose your salvation? You know, can you lose it? And it this has been a theological debate for centuries, bro. And then it comes down with well, grace, man, makes it all, you know, you can't lose your salvation because it's a it's by grace, it's the gift of God, you know. So uh you can't lose it. Then it's oh, but grace is not a reason for you to continue to sin and do all of that, you know, that grace can abound. So, you know, this is this, this, and this, this. So this has been just a debate, man, forever. So I I I recently saw a video where that conversation came up again. And can you lose your salvation? I went in the comments and I saw all of it this the same fight back and forth in the comments, and I'm like, man, they are fighting over a term that they don't even fully understand. They they're fighting it. Can you lose your salvation? But the actual question that they're really asking is can you lose your redemption? And because redemption is what dealt with sin, not salvation. Salvation is not a sin issue, salvation has to do with the way you live and inheritance that we have because of the redemption of Christ. It's it's not the the salvation is not the redemption, salvation is a result, now what we get to experience because of the redemption, and they're literally two very different words, man. So redeemed is what Christ did at the cross when he died for us, and he and he gave his life in exchange for ours. We were bought back with a price, and that price was the blood and life of Jesus for ours. That's redemption, bro. Can you lose that? That's impossible to lose. Why you didn't have anything to do with it? Nope. That was between Christ and the Father. That was a divine exchange that went on without any of our input or anything to do with it. It wasn't a it wasn't a grace thing, man. It was a price was paid, bro. There was there was an exchange that happened before we because of redemption, because of what Christ did. Now, listen to what the word redemption is in the Greek, man. So and the definition. So, and I took it from uh Galatians 3 when Paul talks about uh you know Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. So the reason why he uses that as the discussion, man, is is is he saying that if you're being if you're being redeemed by redeemed, like we just said, it's bought back. Just say, okay, I sold something in a pawn shop. It was very valuable, but you know, I sold it. And I don't I can't get it back. I don't have enough money to get it back. I can't get it. So someone comes along and and sees what I what I sold, what I lost, and they say, Okay, I I'll I'll get it for you. They go in, they make the exchange, they get it back, they've redeemed it, and they and they give it back to you. The only thing that you can say in that situation is thank you. You didn't have anything to do with it. You you could not do anything, you did not have what it took to get it back, but you needed it back, you wanted it back, and it ain't that the the fact it couldn't be got back, you just couldn't do it, and so someone comes along and they do it for you, and then they give it to you. Thank you, it's all you can do, bro. Can you lose that? Well, what if I lose the lose it again? That okay, so let me give you the definition of redeemed. So, redeemed is the Greek word exagerato, and it means to buy up, to ransom, to rescue from loss, and to completely restore. That's redemption, bro. You can't lose that because you had nothing to do with that, you didn't have anything to do with the loss, and you didn't have which I'm not, you know, from the soul standpoint. That's what Adam did. He's the one sold us into sin, into slavery, and under Satan's authority and control. He did that, we had nothing to do with that. That was Adam, and he sold us all into it, and we didn't have anything to do with it. But Christ comes as the last Adam. Okay, I'm getting I'm getting it all back, I'm getting all y'all back, I'm getting your souls back, I'm getting your purpose back, I'm getting your dominion back, I'm getting everything back. But in the process, I gotta give my life to do it. So he does it. The father says it's acceptable. And Christ let us know, and you're gonna know that the offering is acceptable because when that happens, he's gonna send back the comforter, Holy Spirit. When for the He was the sign of the fact that the transaction went through. Yes, you know, if you go through and you go and do a transaction in a store, you you gotta wait for the moment to see that it says approved. Why? It's validating if you got the resources to make this transaction. Christ for that four for those that time that Jesus went away, and between the time that the comforter came, that was a validation process that we is happening. Happening in the spirit that everything, yep, yep. Check, check, check, check, check. Holy Spirit comes, that means approved. And the Holy Spirit didn't come silent. It said he came as a Russian mighty wind in that room and everything. You knew that the Holy Spirit was back in the earth. And who did and what did he bring with him? He brought the kingdom with him. And so we know that that's been approved, and the transaction is complete, and that can't be undone. Redemption is sealed. That's Holy Spirit is called the seal.
SPEAKER_02So is he the receipt too?
Colors, Culture, And Mood
SPEAKER_04He's the receipt 100%. That's exactly who he is. He is the receipt. And Jesus said, He will be with you and be with you how long? To the end of time. Yes. For always. Man. So and he said, and I'll never leave you or forsake you. That is him speaking in that person of the Holy Spirit is the evidence of that. Because he's forever with us. Now, can that be taken? No. That's redemption. Forever. Salvation is a different story. Now the word salvation is the Greek word soteria. And it actually comes from the Greek word sozo. But soteria means to it means to rescue, save, to keep safe, to deliver, be in health, to save. So then you go and see, but it's from a derivative, it comes from the word sozo, saved. Now, sozo means literally to deliver and protect, heal, preserve, do well, make whole. There you go. To make you whole. Now, Paul says, and we were talking about this before we came on air. You you brought up that scripture. How can salvation, how can salvation, uh, when a person says that you can lose your salvation, when we say, yeah, you can absolutely lose your salvation, because salvation is something that you have to work out. And he said, work it out how fear and trembling. With fear and trembling, bro. Meaning what? If I gotta work something out with fear and trembling, that means like if you don't, bro, you can get caught up. This salvation only works if you work it. Oh my goodness, no, you can't saved by grace through faith. It is the gift of God, lest any man should boast. Okay. Yes, it's the whole thing that's the gift of God. It's not just grace is the gift, grace and faith is the gift. He gives you the whole thing, and he says, now work it out. If you don't work your faith to get the grace to be imparted in your situation to keep you safe, to keep you delivered, to keep you whole or healthy or preserved, provided for what the kingdom provides for everything. If you don't exercise your faith and work your faith to where that grace can keep flowing to you in that capacity, you 100% cannot experience it. Now, is that did I lose my salvation? I I lost what that salvation was get sent to do for me. Yeah, I didn't I didn't use it. I didn't use it, so I lost it. I lost the salvation uh victory or whatever you want to call it in that situation. Doesn't mean, but but it's just like bro, if if now if I see I blew it on this, then what do I do? Oh, okay. I well then I guess I need to be using my faith, you know, to get the grace to continue to help me when I need it, like Hebrews 4 says, you know, you cannot be negligent. He literally says, How shall they escape? And he and this is in Hebrews, in Hebrews, I think, two, when he was just talking about salvation being an inheritance that we got through Christ's sacrifice, and he's talking about the salvation now being our inheritance and angels having a major role to at ministering that salvation to us. He's like, but if you don't utilize it and work it properly, how will you escape? Which means to come out of a situation, if you just neglect so great a salvation. Just being negligent, bro.
SPEAKER_02Also, let me add to that. Um, I'm reading in Philippians 2, 14, you know, after after the um after the 12th verse, he said, Therefore, my beloved, you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but not as much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Then he goes off the 14, he said, Do all things without complaining and disputing. So he's telling you what you can like could like stop that, you know.
SPEAKER_04Stop it, yes, right.
SPEAKER_02Be a constraint, be constrained to that.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Absolutely. No, man, and I'm glad you did. Thank you for imparting that because the one thing that I love, one of the things that I love about the word of God, man, and when it's spoken and the revelation is given to it, is that he don't just tell you what to do, he also tell you how to do it. You know what I mean? It ain't like he leaving for you to figure it out on your own. He's he then tells you the way to do it. But what bro, how everybody that was in that chat or whatever, there was the there was disputing this side and that side and this side, dude. You're showing that you you didn't lost your salvation, not working it out because what are y'all in here doing? Complaining, doing all this stuff, just debating all of this. Paul's Paul constantly preached unity of the faith. He constantly preached being of one mind, being of one spirit, being that you're a body that's joined together. If one uh it rejoiced, then the whole body rejoiced. But if one part of the body is hurt, the the rest of the body part of the body is hurt. We can't, we're not living in the to ourselves, bro. We're all connected, we're all intertwined and in one fashion or another, and that's supposed to be to the glory of God. That's not a bad thing, bro. That is a great thing because God didn't give any one of us everything, but he gave everything that we will ever need in each and every one of us. But if I was the enemy, the biggest thing I'd do knowing that is to keep y'all beefing, man.
SPEAKER_02And then he goes in 15, he said that you may become blameless and harmless children of God without fault in the midst of this crooked and perverse generation.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. That doesn't sound like running. That don't sound like running to me. Nah, that don't sound like nobody having to leave. That's that sounds like stop it. Yeah, you know, stop it and come together, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Come together, man. You know, I remember me and you having a conversation once we were talking about secular music and you know, the difference between secular and sacred and the gospel and all that. And we were talking about playing, uh, you know, if you was the the like, should you play secular music in in in church, quote unquote. But bro, as you just said, when you we were just talking, come together. One of the first songs I think about come together is is the one by um who who's that that made it? Mike remade it. So that's the Beatles. The Beatles, the Beatles, yes. That's one of the things that I that's one of the first songs I think about when you talk about come together. Come together right now, yes, boo-doop over boo-doo, dude. Is that not a a song that could be played to glorify God?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
Redemption Vs Salvation: What’s The Difference
SPEAKER_04Well, that's not what they did it for, you know. But we're talking about redemption. It's it's not that it can't be bought back, they may they're making the music out of the experience that they're going to, but they are still out of their hope and their longing and their expectation saying things could be better if we came together. Now, they may not have put Christ as the focus in that song, but we can. But we can, and then we through their music can say to them, like, man, this is a can you imagine if the if the church, the true church, the body of Christ, would hear songs that other people are making that are not glorifying God in the way they made it, and we go to him like, Man, that is such a dope song. That spoke to me so heavily, man. It made me think about how when Jesus, you know, did this and the and how he presented this and this and that. And you and you make use what a person has done and tell them, man, that touched me so deeply. And man, it reminded me of this. And and swing through through being wise as a serpent, like Jesus said, but harmless as doves, and swing and show a person that your gift literally can't glorify God. Man, do you know how good that makes people feel if they felt like they were used by God? Man, this song touched you and made you think about God. Like, yeah, man, it really did. It really did. Dude, who wouldn't appreciate that? All right, and then and then you keep on, and it reminds me of what you you're right now. You you're doing uh you're getting ready to do a Tupac uh podcast.
SPEAKER_02Just did it yesterday.
SPEAKER_04Oh, you just did it yesterday. Look at that, look at that, and I can't wait to hear it, bro. So you just did a uh a podcast on Tupac for your music book, and you said that while you were studying this and researching and everything about this brother, you just came into so much uh it's your story, man. You tell it, bro.
SPEAKER_02Uh, just heavy. Um, the the guy was I I had a range of emotions when I was studying Tupac. Uh went from empathy to anger back to sadness. Um, he just went through a lot. And a lot of his, and because he it because it's his upbringing and also how he was taught, his mom taught him that black man has a short time on his earth.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_02So his mind, his mentality, he was that's why he was so impatient. His mentality is like that he was gonna die early. Yeah, so I got a short time on this on his earth. I gotta do whatever God put in me, which is music, I gotta get it out. And he just was that's how he lived. He lived from minute to minute.
SPEAKER_04And uh because he could die any moment, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so he was into the streets, so it was a lot of drugs, and you know, he didn't have any guidance. He didn't he was still searching, didn't really have you know God in his life, so he was searching, so he had a lot of gun violence, and then you know, uh and he just man, that spirit, and we were talking about uh, you know, he was an actor as well, and he get he got into a role, and and they always said, like, you know, uh, once you get into these roles, you gotta get out of them, and then you know, learn your learn who you are again, you know, because you can get so deep into it, and that's what happened. And that spirit of that character he played, Bishop, and Bishop followed him from that time from he was like what 19 to 25, so a six-year span, he was living out the life of Bishop and not Tupacamaru Shakur. Wow, and wow, it was just so deep, and uh I was feeling it, I was grieving the Holy Spirit. I mean, Holy Spirit, I can't wait for this to be over. Wow, wow, no, I I I couldn't I had to lean on my guests because I couldn't finish listening to a lot of that music because the only uh all eyes on me is the only album they offer in the clean version, so everything else I had to listen to, the words, and it was man, I was grieving the Holy Spirit, he was rejecting it, and I just wasn't at peace listening to a lot of it. Yeah, and um, I had nightmares. Wow, I had nightmares, so uh yes, I was so but the guy I was doing a podcast with, he hit me up and said, Hey man, uh we on this Saturday. If not, man, we can we can I can wait another week, I can do some more research. I mean, no, bro, I want to do it. Nah, I gotta get it over now. I'm popped out, man.
SPEAKER_04Now, now see, now a person would listen to that and be like, Well, man, you know, that's because you shouldn't have been touching it in the first place. And it's not, but the thing is, bro, you he he had a note, noteworthy life, it was notable, and he's impacted a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, to this day, bro.
SPEAKER_04To this day, dude. So to tell his story and to talk about his struggle and his journey is something that should be done. His his life it it impacted, it mattered, it had uh a very huge impact on our culture and society. So to be able to talk about that and acknowledge that that's that's that should be done. That is notable. But but as you are doing your research, and because you're very spiritually, you know, awake and and woke, if I can say that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you can. You know, you're right.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna take that word back. But go ahead. Redeeming, redeeming that. We redeeming that. And and because you are so spiritually woke, when you go into and investigate and delve into these matters, you experience a lot of what you said, like the compassion, the empathy, the simp, the anger, and all of this stuff because you're literally getting into the life of, but you're just researching it. He had to live it, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04He was living it. So, what torment was he in? Yeah, well, I tell you what torment he was in. He told us on so many tears. Yes, he literally told us what he was going through. This dude had questions. Is there heaven for a dude like me? Is there heaven for a G? People who live like us, you know. I dude, I got the thug life patted on my chest. You know, I mean, he's literally talking to us, and people who have the heart of God and the mind of Christ, we should have been holding this brother up, not talking about look what he's doing to the culture, man. Yeah, man. This dude was crying out in music, dude. Yeah, and where were we? Where were we? The the body of Christ in our box churches, and and trying to stay, you know, to detach ourselves and have nothing to do with that kind of stuff. That hip hop, that crazy no, bro. This is one of the most influential, influential music genres there's ever been. Yeah, we're supposed if we see what's influencing the culture, we don't need to be shying away from it. We need to be getting in there and being the light and the salt of it, and not just make our own versions of it either. Because, man, Christian Rat by, I mean, it's getting a lot more dope now, but bruh, in the beginning, it was the most wackiest things I've ever kingdom stuff, but as you streaming it, as you're streaming these new artists that are rapping the kingdom in Christ, they most of them and a lot of them are streaming it you to instrumentals of the other, of the of the quote unquote secular song. Why? Because, bro, their production was was way dope, doper than typical Christian productions, and and secondly, man, they're riding the wave of the impact that the original song had, and they're trying to bring a redeemable aspect to it and get people to listen to it who would otherwise not listen to it. They'll listen, oh, that's that that's that biggie beat, that's that too, and and somebody just listened. Oh, and then at the same time, and then hear a redemptive message on it.
SPEAKER_02Man, our brothers and sisters in the box churches, all these religious people be going hard against that stuff, like hard, like oh, he just bringing the devil into the church. Oh my god, he's not bringing it in church yet, you just separate and try to separate separate yourselves from the world, and you're not impacting and influencing it. And like you said, take that stuff. Man, look, man. I I have when I was in the box church, uh, I've heard so many sermons, but one, you know, one the one sermon that stuck with me is and I and I'm gonna give big ups to uh a pastor David Walker, man. He was a little visionary, he had a little kingdom in him, but uh, you know, I guess he had to stick with the status quo.
SPEAKER_04Sure, sure.
SPEAKER_02And which was uh which ultimately ran me away, but you know, but he and I had talks outside of the church. But he had a sermon based on Cats in the Cradle. And if you know about that Song and Songs about uh uh uh absentee father, and so and the father would just he was in the home, but he was always busy, and so then when the child grows up, and now he don't have time with his father, you know what I'm saying? Oh wow, and uh and so he he talked talked about that, and and I posted and I posted that video into uh the music book and a person uh a sister I used to go to church with at that. Church, she said, I remember when Pastor David talked about that. I said, You know what? I do too. And um, she sent him an invite to music book and he enjoyed, and then he liked the post. But yeah, uh, that that's it was a profound message, man.
SPEAKER_04That's dope, man.
SPEAKER_02Because I used to hear that song all the time, but really didn't really dive into the lyrics and he broke it down. It's like, yeah, there's a father who was in the home, but he wasn't he was in kingdom, he wasn't doing what he's supposed to in the home. He was always at work, you know, he didn't have any balance, and so then the sons craved his attention. So then when he got older, the father wanted attention from his son. But you know, he's like, nah, he's like, I'm just like you, dad. Wow, I'm gonna grow up just be like you. Cats in the crater on the silver spoon. Wow, oh, dude, that's deep. And yes, I'll ever be grateful for Pastor David for doing that. And I was like, man, that's not supposed to be. And then also picking big ups uh to Michael Todd, who he always brings us at quote unquote secular, and he talks about it.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely, you know, absolutely, and uh dude, all of Jesus' parables were would be quote unquote secular. Yes. This is that's what makes this so asinine, man. When people want to try and separate the secular from what's sacred, is Jesus, all his parables, man. What he was things that people could relate to. You bro, mo people want to sit there and come hard with against secular stuff, but most Christians' jobs are secular. I know that is the real most ridiculous thing in the world, man. Your job is secular, and then if somebody said there, you want to put it on the music, that music is demonic and this and that, bro. Somebody used the car you produced to go and do a drive-by with. You made the car that they rode and did do a drive-by to kill millions. I mean, not millions, but you know, a whole myriad of people. You you want to front on the person that's making the music, you'd be like, This person, um, you know, like uh dark child, uh, very spiritual, you know, and he's a Christian, dark child. But he all that music dark child makes for all that secular music he makes. He needs to be the brother's at work, he's a producer and he makes beats and engineers music, and they pay him a wage to do it, just like your job.
SPEAKER_02And guess what? Because he is who he is and he's spiritual, he brought Michael Jackson to he brought Michael Jackson to Jesus to faith.
SPEAKER_04That there you there it is. No, you're right, absolutely. Brought him to cry too, man. Jesus is the this default, so yeah, yeah, right, right. No doubt. He people don't talk about that though. People don't talk about that because we were told that we're light and salt. Jesus said, look, if the light ain't shining and the salt ain't hitting, then you ain't even worth nothing, man. Why why even have why even have the light and be salty? Why be salty and lit if you ain't gonna use it? Right. You salt don't you don't put salt on salt? This this is what the church do. This is what the you know, the quote unquote, the box church. Putting salt on salt. Y'all just in there salting and lighting up each other. And why the world you want to complain about the world is in darkness in your four corners, man.
SPEAKER_02Stop it!
SPEAKER_04Can't wait to dare it. There it is, stop it.
SPEAKER_02Just stop the four corners, man. You look stained glass windows, and like the world is so bad.
SPEAKER_04Go out there and influence and influence it. There you go. That's what you do, go out there. He said, get in there. He was like, and and here, be as be as wise as a serpent, be able to have these conversations with people that don't know or love God. But be gentle as a dove. I mean, you don't when Christians do go in in into those areas, they are not gentle, bro. They are you're going to hell and you you just need, I can't wait to Christ come back. Y'all know what Greece is coming now, sugar. We getting out of here, and he just come down, rain fire and hell down on this terrible and dark place. Bruh, stop.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, stop.
SPEAKER_04Stop. Anyway, and we're gonna stop that right there. You gotta give me a hell tip, bro. Give me something to live on.
SPEAKER_02Uh I what I will say, Holy Spirit brought to my attention this morning uh when I got up. Uh we are we are in the winter seat, we are in the winter season. And so he just wanted this what you uh people of God, what you need to do. Like I said before, continue to take the vitamin D that's very important.
SPEAKER_04Test to nine this morning, dog.
SPEAKER_02There you go. Uh, because that also that just helps too, like people who uh have issues with uh getting up and urinating in the like sometimes when I don't, it helps you not use the bathroom as much during the night.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_02So vitamin D and the K2. Uh also because if we have the lack of sunlight, that's another reason, but you host you have to get your rest. Uh you have to get your rest, man. You got to get the CS to in, baby.
SPEAKER_04That's it.
SPEAKER_02You know, because that's funny. Because you can just like just say this, you might just be a particular day, you only got two or three hours of sleep, and you're tired, and then you get around somebody who's sick. That sickness could that sickness because you're not here at full strength, can jump on you. So please get your man, it's important to get your rest, take your vitamin D and also wash your hands.
SPEAKER_04Oh, there it is. There it is.
SPEAKER_02You do all of that, and you should stay away from all that that crap that uh these stores pushing on you, all the halls and all of that. But you know, but if he it gets on you, you know, you know, pray about it, but also of course, of course, yeah. You know, use that stuff that was made for that. But yeah, but this this is preemptive.
SPEAKER_04You give him you give him preventative message. Yeah, yeah, you know, preventative, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02So I was like, thank you, Holy Spirit. Yeah, I I'll talk about that today. Make sure you wash your hands. Get your rest.
SPEAKER_04Yes, that's important. That's important.
SPEAKER_02And I appreciate now. I know uh my new job, I used to have to uh I was starting off at uh starting off at five o'clock. Not on, I don't start at the six, and just that one hour. It matters. I'm well rested. I feel man, I have a brain fog.
SPEAKER_04Uh that's dope.
SPEAKER_02I just I wake up, I'm like busy, bright eyed bushy tail.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And uh what's funny about people laugh at me at work, I like to greet everybody I work with. And they say, Oh, you oh, what you doing? You make your rounds, like, yeah, you know, I'm presidential like that. I'll just say I'm presidential like that. That's right. That's right. I go around telling everybody, good morning.
SPEAKER_03There it is.
SPEAKER_02You woke up this morning. I'll be saying that you're like, I'd be like, you woke up this morning.
SPEAKER_04There it is. There it is, man. And people, and that and what a good message to hear first thing in the morning, bro. And and that, and that is ministry. That is ministry, and and this is what we have to get to the point, man. People of God, is that everything we do is kingdom. But the more you understand how to move and function in that, yeah, man, so much better. Your life is gonna you'll experience what does the kingdom bring? Righteousness, peace, and joy through the person of the Holy Ghost. Down. I know. Love him, I love him. Oh man, oh, ain't nobody like him.
SPEAKER_02Like um that that scripture I posted yesterday. I'm gonna send you this this uh podcast other two. The sister sent this to me, man. It was it was only like 16 minutes, but it was he hit hard. Oh, but it says that's what I had posted that scripture. There is no peace, says the Lord for the wicked. And then his his teaching was based on that.
Working Out Salvation In Real Life
SPEAKER_04And um, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, send that to me, man. Send that to me, dude. No peace. We're gonna have to do a episode on Holy Spirit coming. Man, we got to yeah, bro. Yeah, and people of God, we coming to YouTube. We're gonna be on video, people of God. Y'all get to experience the GT visually, yeah. So bless that, man. Bless that. All right, man. All right, bro. Love you and love you, people of God. Peace.
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