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The Gospel Twins Podcast
Rediscovering Paul Robeson
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Start with a game-day laugh, end with a name they tried to erase. The Gospel Twins move from Super Bowl banter and Detroit fandom therapy into a deep dive on Paul Robeson—the scholar-athlete-artist-activist whose voice once shook the world and whose story America tried to quiet. Along the way, they unpack how erasure works: from House committees and passport bans to media frames that diminish Black excellence while borrowing its shine.
The brothers explore Robeson’s sweeping résumé—Rutgers All-American and valedictorian, Columbia law grad, NFL player, Broadway’s longest-running Othello, a bass-baritone whose concerts sold out worldwide—and the machinery that blacklisted him when his influence met his convictions. The thread runs through Jackie Robinson, too: owners who funded the Negro Leagues to stall integration, the calculated pressure to make a hero testify against a friend, and that chilling line from Howard Bryant about how power wanted “your benevolence and not your equality.” It’s a mirror of today’s culture wars, where representation sparks backlash and the wealth gap and public impatience pass for progress.
Through a kingdom lens, the G.T.s argue that faith isn’t a retreat from hard history but a mandate to engage it with truth, empathy, and righteous governance. They own their emotions, aim for clarity over comfort, and insist that remembrance is not grievance—it’s strategy. They also get practical: fasting, juicing, and the small wins that rebuild confidence, because dignity lives in both policy and the mirror. If you’ve ever wondered why you didn’t learn about Paul Robeson—or why some voices get turned down right when they matter most—this conversation connects the dots and hands you names, books, and questions to pursue.
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Welcome And Super Bowl Banter
SPEAKER_01This is the Gospel Twins with your host, Sean and John, your go-to podcast for the kingdom perspective on current events and the good news God has for the culture. Get ready to renew your mind, one piece at a time.
SPEAKER_02People of God, people of God, welcome back to the Gospel Twin podcast when you get your mind renewed piece by piece and episode by episode. And I am Sean. And I'm John. And we are the Gospel Twins. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_00What up, man? How you doing, dude?
SPEAKER_02Hello. Happy Super Bowl Sunday.
SPEAKER_00Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Who you got? Who you got?
SPEAKER_02Bro, bro, the Seahawks. Do you know the Seahawks is my surrogate team, right?
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that. I didn't know that. So you the same, my boy Ray Bobby, man. That's his thing. So okay. We are Seahawks rooting for the Hawks, then. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I um when I divorced the Lions back again, was it divorced the Lions? 2007? It was like, yeah, around 78-ish, I divorced them. Matter of fact, what's weird? I ain't gonna say it's weird. I I kind of divorced the Lions and the Wolf Rings around the same time, bro.
SPEAKER_00Man, so even under the new culture of the Lions, man, the new leadership, you you ain't reconciled, bro. You ain't I thought you were back. How many years with the Lions, man?
SPEAKER_02Nah, I'm I mean, I'm I'm not I listen. There's a time where I would root against them. I don't root against them anymore. I root for them, but there's no emotional attachment at all. Man, do you know how many Sundays? I would just like, man, it would just take over my whole Sunday, and I would just feel so bad. I was like, man, I'm not gonna allow them to do that to me anymore. So I divorced them.
SPEAKER_00I was like, deuces with you, man.
SPEAKER_02And I'm at my hey, bro, and I'm at Meyer. I'm at Meyer. Last time you've been at Meyer, they got so much Lions merch. Now you're trying to get rid of it. Now it's oh that's on clearance and all that. It's like you know, because you know me, man. I'm I'm a I'm a pissed and fan. Like, what a piss in love at we're talking about a storied franchise that won championships and went to Eastern Conference Finals, playoff appearances, all-stars.
SPEAKER_00Right, right.
SPEAKER_02And they like they're the redheaded stepchild. I feel some kind of way when I go in and see all this lion gear, and I don't see no Detroit.
SPEAKER_00Like, what do they got tiger gear? Do they got do they got another gear?
SPEAKER_02They do, uh tigers, they got the Wolverines and the Lions, bro. Wolverines and Lions, they trump all of them. But I'm like, come on, man. Wow, y'all need to stop it.
SPEAKER_00So you got this uh in the in the pest and merch in there for my boy.
SPEAKER_02Come on, come on, they got some of them, but it's like a small corner.
SPEAKER_00Like, what is this? This is insulting. Ah man, and the pest is representing too, man. They're getting it at the man.
SPEAKER_02What dude? They getting so much national press, so much national love. I'm like, it feels so good, you know. And I and I get you know, like think about the lions, man. This for years, I've been saying for years, the disappointment at this is disappointment. So when they start getting when they start getting better, Dan Campbell do the change around and all that. Um people loving it, and they coming out the woodworks, man. Um I'm seeing so much lions love that I've never seen in my life.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Even Trump and the B the B Sunders days, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely something. I I I'm down with it. I can't, I'm not on the train because I never always been down. So, you know, you know what I mean. So I I was I'm with him through the through the up, the down, the the good, the bad, the ugly, man. Uh, you know, that's just my it's my squad. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh I guess I hear that, man. I got kicked. I got kicked in the growing too many times eating them, bro.
SPEAKER_00You gotta wear a cup, bro. You gotta wear a cup.
Lions, Loyalty, And Sports Culture
SPEAKER_02No, I ain't in no relationship, I gotta wear a cup. All right, man. What are we talking about, bro?
SPEAKER_00Let's go, let's go. It is Super Bowl Sunday, so it's only right that we represent football. But yeah, let's let's roll. Let's roll.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so you know, before we go, I've I even got some C I don't know if you probably see you know when I do some of my videos. I got some Seahawks gear. I don't know if you ever noticed, but yeah, I guess you know what?
SPEAKER_00I I guess I haven't, man. Yeah, uh, because I would have definitely talked asked you about it, man. Yeah. Wow. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02I got me, um I got me a Richard Sherman uh jersey upstairs.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna throw that mug on today. All right, that's what's up. Show my allegiance, yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's my man. I used to man, I used to love him, dude.
SPEAKER_02Ooh, dude.
SPEAKER_00I mean, he was he's controversial, bro. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but I I dug him, man. And I like him, man, in his little commentary role. Let me not call it little in his commentary role. I dig him, man.
SPEAKER_02Man, dude, Sanford graduate, man. Dude is elite. Oh, okay, okay. That's what's up. All right, man. Um we talk about map.
SPEAKER_00You said what?
SPEAKER_02Are we going to talk about map today?
SPEAKER_00You know what, man? We we we we could talk about we could talk about it and and and pivot if you want, man. Uh yeah, yeah, we can definitely do that.
SPEAKER_02Is there anything you want to talk about though?
SPEAKER_00I mean, man, it's all good. It's all good. I mean, we in Black History Month, so uh, you know, I figured that we would kind of hit that, but then the map is all part of that too, so we can pivot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's a book out right now. Did you listen? You get a chance to listen to uh Bo Monty Jones podcast.
SPEAKER_00I did. Yep, I sure did.
SPEAKER_02You see his openings like give me five stars ratus.
SPEAKER_00If you give me four stars, I'm inclined to believe you. Yeah, I thought that was funny, man. I thought that was funny, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02So he had a guest on this show, Howard Bryant, and he he has a book. He just released a book called Kings and Pawns, Jackie Robinson and Paul Robinson in America. And man, this was just a fascinating, just the podcast alone, man. Yeah, it was good, it was good, it was really good, and you know, and growing up, I heard Paul Robinson's name, right? But not the way we should have. And and that uh that podcast uh shining a light on why he's slowly but surely getting erased in history, just as just as uh Jackie Robinson is getting erased, man. Yeah, um I like how they how they describe Paul Robinson. He was the tallest tree in the forest.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's what they that's what they said. Man, that's that's something, dude. Yeah, and it's like you said, man, I yeah, I heard his name, you know, in passing, but never never knew anything about him, man. And the only thing when I was listening to the podcast, I said, yeah, that name sounds familiar. Yeah, and uh, as he was explaining, you know, going over the the show, man, and things were coming out. I'm like, wow, okay, that's that's why we never heard of him. So yeah, man, that's that's that's something else, man. This this erasure of uh of history, particularly black history, is uh yeah, it's it's it's a serious thing, man.
SPEAKER_02And um and this is had this started way back then, you know, at a at height of his popularity, he they said he was the most popular black person in the world.
SPEAKER_00In the world, yeah.
SPEAKER_02When he was doing at that time. Um, he was born April 9th, 1898, and he passed away in 76. So we were like five, we were like five years old when he passed away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, but I mean he still bled, he bled over into our into our culture, entire generation. So man, to not bro, that they compared it to like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan, like his his notoriety globally. And I'm like, how in the world is that possible when I don't even hardly know anything about the person? You know, you say Muhammad Ali, dude. I'm right there, you know. Oh, the goat, yeah, for sure. Michael Jordan. Oh, the goat? Oh, for sure. You know, like it's it's it's no, you don't have to think about it. Paul Robinson, yeah, that that name sounds familiar, man, but you know, I don't really who who was it? You know, that bro, that's that's something wrong with that, man. Something's wrong with that.
SPEAKER_02Uh I like how they talked about it. He said, uh, they said uh they brought up Martin Luther King and said he was the finest African American. They said, but Paul Robinson was that dude, that bad A.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh man, he was just man, he was man multifaceted, you know what I'm saying? He was a bass baritone and concert. He could sing, he was an actor, he played.
Pivot To Black History Month
SPEAKER_00Athlete, man. Said he was like the baddest college athlete of his time, man. I'm like, how is this possible? Did this this person have all this, you know, prolific things in his life, and and we haven't heard anything about it, particularly in the African-American community or black community, which is just really indicative of that erasure that we're talking about. This this has already been going on. So wow, it's it's it's it's not not a cool thing, man.
SPEAKER_02No, because it was he got it from both sides, he got it from whites and blacks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, they say he was truly a man without a country, you know, and that's uh oh, that's sad to say. That's hard, man. That is hard, bro, to and to to exist and and and thrive. He didn't he didn't just exist, this dude thrived, man. They said back in in when he was, I forget when what when was it? Whatever he was doing. They said this dude was making a hundred and something thousand dollars a year in the 40s, as a as black uh as a black man. So that's that's not just uh that's not just uh you know a passing thing, man. That's that's a significant impact you're having to be able to generate those types of resources uh back then, you know, in the midst of you know, all of the type of the you know, the the oppression and everything. It how do we not know who this dude is? You know, and a lot of people can say they did, they know him, but that's because you actually did the studying or you found out something about him and you specifically, you know, went in there and learned some stuff. He don't just he's not just a name that's just normal, you know, in in the community. So that's uh that's that's a trip how you can look at that and see this this stuff happen.
SPEAKER_02Bro, I mean, this dude was so accomplished, right? I mean, he um she went to he went to Rutgers College. He went to Rutgers, he was all American in football. He was elected, he was elected class valedictorian. Wow, wow, yeah. He earned his L L LLB from Columbia Law School. He played national, he played in the NFL, he played Othello.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, that wow, wow.
SPEAKER_02He played Othello, man.
SPEAKER_00That is, yeah, that is a trip, man. That is a trip.
SPEAKER_02And they said, uh, what was his description? They say he was like 6'3.
SPEAKER_006'3, 250 pounds. Oh, that's a huge that's a big, that's a big piece of mad meat right there. Yeah, he paying, bro. Yeah, no wonder they called him the what was the tallest tree in the forest. What'd you say? Yeah.
Enter Paul Robeson And Erasure
SPEAKER_02So it was a lot of battle back then with uh the civil rights, and so uh, and so that's why he ended up uh getting ousted out of the community. But uh they they uh on on that podcast, they they talked about uh World War One. And so black, you know, black wanted to be equal, you know, they wanted civil rights, so they figured like we'll just we'll go fight and maybe this uh This will endear us to the yeah to the nation, yeah. Yep, and uh so what can they say? You know, we fought for the country, we showing our patriot patriotism for doing them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02And um, and uh so we're gonna put aside our fight with civil rights, and we could just go over here and just fight.
SPEAKER_00Fight for this country, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Get back, man, and it was even worse.
SPEAKER_00It was the total opposite reaction, man.
SPEAKER_02They say this black soldiers were getting hung in unicorn in their unif in uniform, like in uniform. In uniform.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, man. And then uh and so when they went to say uh when they went to World War II, he was like, they were like saying, you know what, we're gonna fight, we're gonna go and fight again, but we also gonna fight.
SPEAKER_00We're gonna keep fighting this war too. This this civil war that we have in here at home, and uh, yeah, and go and fight for this nation at the same time. Which which, you know, and I just want to say this, man, for any people that listen, is that Black History Month or or just Black History, just history, it should just be history, but yeah, um we're we're no we're not speaking this from a standpoint, we're not flipping the script and trying to say, you know, black people superior, you know, look at, you know, or or walk in with this chip on our shoulder, even though it can seem like that sometimes, but that's because we're overcoming so much, so many obstacles. But if you don't know or put yourself, as you always say, where's your empathy? If you can't put yourself in a person's situation and say, man, do you know how hard that has to be to literally go and fight for a country that loathes you? So I'm fight- I gotta go fight for you at the same time that I'm fighting with you or against you. And and do you know what that does to a psyche of an individual? And and then all the generational stuff that that passes on. To to it this is not this is not something that can just be, well, we're gonna grow out of this or time is gonna pass by and enough of it is gonna happen, and these things are just gonna be things of the past and forgotten. It it won't be because it's history, and we're not just it's not just history on the books, it's history that we're bearing in our bodies, in our realities, and and we have to we have to talk about this and it's and get it dealt with, man. It this can't just be something that, oh man, these are some goof. Wow, that's some some interesting facts. I I didn't know that. And you didn't know that, and they don't want you to know it. This is why it this erasure culture is is worse than cancel culture. At least if you cancel something, you it was there, you don't but erasing it, that means you're acting like it never was, man. And that we it we can't continue to go this route, man.
SPEAKER_02And he was he fought on behalf of um uh Jackie Robin. Major leagues didn't want blacks and and baseball so badly that they funded the Negro League.
SPEAKER_00The Negro League, yeah. Stay over there, stay over there. We will pay you, we will fund you to to stay in your place, to stay over there.
SPEAKER_02And one of the biggest, and you know, he was trying to uh Paul Roberts was trying to integrate, like, man, he's you know, the African players can play. You know, um so uh Jackie Robson finally got his chance, but it was only because one of the owners broke away from the other owners like uh yeah, let's give him a chance. And yeah, yeah. And what the owner, oh what the owners were afraid of is that they didn't want they didn't want black fans in the in the house.
SPEAKER_00He's gonna attract him, he's gonna attract black fans coming. And it's gonna be, they weren't like they said, people say it ain't it's just about green, you know, people ain't it ain't racist, because I used to make that statement too. I used to make that statement, particularly about our uh, you know, administration right now, like, man, it's just about the green, you know, it ain't it ain't racism. But when it comes down to it, man, and you start getting the information and start hearing the facts and hearing that we we we were investing and paying money to keep you away from us.
SPEAKER_02That's wild, man.
SPEAKER_00That's why is as a nine, bro. Yeah, that is what I am willing to pay you to stay away from me. That man, that it you don't think that that has a generational uh psychological toll, you know, it this this thing, Paul Robinson, man, to to hear about him and the things that he was willing to do and the things he was willing to sacrifice, like you know, I just spoke about you know how they brought out he was making, you know, six figures back in the 40s, but when he got more and more um, you know, became more of an activist for civil rights, his they they talked about his resources went from six figures, he just went from making$160,000 to making$2,000 a year. Yeah, man. That's that's that's a huge sacrifice, man.
SPEAKER_02The one you're about to say, all because of um because he he he didn't he didn't he didn't agree with the war against the Soviet Union, you know. Right um, it was so bad it said he uh he refused to recant his public advocacy for the Soviet Union, so the U.S. State Department withdrew his passport, man.
SPEAKER_00And that's when his income plummeted, man. Plummeted in there, and bro, did you hear when they brought out that at that time there was one person that was responsible for who get and who did not get passports?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00One person, and I think it was, and I think it was a woman. I think they said it was a woman, who could determine if you were or not to get a passport. It wasn't a legal thing, because when you put it in the hands of a person, whoever that is, you're subject to their to their opinions, man, and and and what and their beliefs and things like that. So if they if they don't like you, you you don't get a passport, you don't get to travel, you don't get to leave this country if if I don't like you.
SPEAKER_02It was so bad. He couldn't even go to the U.S. territories.
SPEAKER_00That's man.
Robeson’s Achievements And Influence
SPEAKER_02He couldn't even go to the U.S. territories, and they uh they contacted Canada to make sure he couldn't go there. And all just to silence him because they didn't want to. To silence the voice, to silence the voice, you know, and him uh stating how he felt about what was going on in America. So they wanted to make sure he stayed here, man.
SPEAKER_00Because one of the biggest things, man, about you know America is how we're perceived. You know, I mean that's right now we can't control it because of the way social media has taken, you know, taken over. And so we can't continue to paint this image that how we are. But man, they said back then, bro, they would pay and have people, black, black people go out to other countries as delegates to make it, as delegates, I'm sorry, to make other nations think, oh man, yeah, it's oh America, man, we they treat we're it's great. You know, they treat us great. I don't know what you heard, but that's not that's not how it is. And then you're gonna have this black man leave, who's known, you know, a person that has such a prolific background, and he's gonna go around and say, that's a lie, man. That's that's not what's happening back in America. This is what's going on in America. Then they weren't gonna allow that to happen, man. This this this censure uh ship of everything, and and I and I said censure ship, not censorship. Uh it it bro, it's um this it's big, it's bigger now than ever when you got people that are literally pooling their resources together to purchase a whole social media platform so they can control it. That come on, man. This is it, go please, man. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02It's just it's just sad, man, because he advocated to get black players into baseball, which you know, Jackie Robinson was the face of that. And then turn around this the country wanted Jackie Robinson to testify against Paul Robinson because you know, like, you know, he he said he was a communist, man.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02I didn't I didn't realize how bad of a word that is. I will hear commie and all that, man.
SPEAKER_00Because it it wasn't back then. It wasn't it wasn't it hadn't become what it has, you know, came in later years. But just like the Republican Party back back then, that wasn't uh it wasn't the the demonized party in black, you know, in black culture or in uh, you know, that society like it is today. You know, it was 50-50. It was 50% Republican, as they brought out on the podcast, 50% Democrat. But now it's like 98% because of the demonization of the party and what it is perceived about it, man. Say it was the same thing with communism, dude. It's communism when you think about it, is not a horrible thing. It it if it's in the hands of horrible people, yeah, then it like just like anything else, it just becomes it takes on that nature of the people that you know have been uh handling it. So yeah, bro, it it wasn't bad back then, not like it is now.
SPEAKER_02I just oh man, I just feel so bad for the guy. And then it like like they were saying to the point where like we're like gotta discover him.
SPEAKER_00Like I'm like that because go search him out, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02And um, black he was blacklisted and all this oh just because of the opinion.
SPEAKER_00And uh right, right, right. Not just his opinion, because his because of the impact that he had in giving his opinion. See, it everybody got an opinion, man, but if you don't have no, you know, if you don't have no credentials behind it, or you don't have anything, you know, and some type of power that's propelling your opinion, then it doesn't matter. People don't care. That's why when they say, oh man, they ain't on nobody's radar, so they'll let you have it. But when you begin to start making impact and you're cracking into the, you know, breaking into the culture, and and it's really going outside of a certain community, and you had is, I mean, you know, let's flip it real quick. Eminem is is kind of reverse for him in hip hop. Him and Eminem, his skills are undeniable. So he broke into the culture. You couldn't stop it because his skills broke him through.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But he still don't get, yeah, people gonna give M and say, man, yeah, he and it's really, really MCs that's really down with the craft and understand the intricacy of it that give M his props. Other people, man, is listening like M and M ain't ain't. I mean, yeah, man, he can rhyme, but you know, you know what I mean? Because it's like this is our culture. You you're a guest here. You know, you're not, you know, you you don't have a residency in hip hop. You're you're a guest. And it's like thinking at it from his perspective. What would he what does he have to do to get the recognition that he really deserves from this community? Well, the same thing, man. Paul Robinson, this dude, you couldn't deny him as you, as they as they brought out. He's the tallest tree in the forest. You can't deny the impact that he's having and that he was, you know, able to generate. So what do you do? Okay, we couldn't stop it, but we can't allow a person that was like that, that had, see, he wasn't just an angry black man. He had this dude was educated. He was, you know, he was athletic, he was educated. He had, he, he, like you said, he had so many things that he could do that were undeniable, that you could not, you know, just just reserve the fact that, oh, it's because of this. Bro, he was just excellent in things that he done that he did. Man, dude.
SPEAKER_02He's in plays, he was in movies, he's singing. Man, all American Valedictorian, yeah, right.
War, Patriotism, And Black Civil Rights
SPEAKER_00He was he was he was undeniable. Undeniable.
SPEAKER_02And that podcast, who were they? Was it I can't remember because we they talked about it, they went back and forth with uh Paul Robinson and Jackie Robinson. Did they say that Paul Robinson um advocated for because we when you talked about the Republican Party, didn't he say he advocated for Nixon or was that was that Jackie Robinson?
SPEAKER_00No, no, um, oh yeah, I think it might have been Jackie. Yeah, okay. Jackie Robinson was the one that was friends with Nixon, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then he later found out, but yeah. So I want to go back to that. And so in order to isolate Robinson politically, uh, the House of American Activities Committee subpoenaed Jackie Robinson to commit to comment on Robinson's Paris speech. Robison uh Robinson testified that Robinson's statement was inaccurately reported, were silly. Uh Mr. Robinson does his does his people great harm in trying to line them up with communist side of the political picture. Uh Jackie Robinson helps them greatly by his four or five statements. Days later, the announcement of the concert headlined by Robinson and in New York City was provoked by uh local city to decry the use of the community support to uh support him. So um dude, it says the peak skill riots ensued, which vi uh violent anti-robison protest shut down a Robinson concert on August 27, 1949. And marred the aftermath of the replacement concert held eight days later, man. Wow. And so he was they gave a date. They said from 1950 to 1955, he was blacklisted, man. Just for trying to do the right thing, trying to do the right thing. And this is uh sad that that Jackie Robinson was influenced to turn his back on him after he didn't help him out to try to get you know help him out and get into the big leagues, and now he just couldn't hold his back. And uh just like they were talking about how Kaepernick Kaepernick lost his job and was like, hey man, y'all with me?
SPEAKER_00Uh no, no, because you're looking at these paychecks, and see that that's the thing, man. And and that's the silence, man. It's to it purchasing your silence, dude. And this this has always been a thing. This is this is not new. And and the re and and some people can listen to us, man, and be like, man, I thought this was supposed to be a gospel twins, you know, or a kingdom pro, you know, program or a podcast, and y'all spend so much time talking about you know what's going on, you know, around and all of this stuff. But the true gospel, the true kingdom impact is to go into a culture and transform the culture. It's it's not to evade or avoid it, no, it's to get in there, and it's not to not acknowledge the the bad things that's going on, man. You know, you we don't get entangled with it to the point where we're emotionally driven by what's happening, but we are absolutely supposed to engage it. How can we influence anything that we don't get involved with? And this has been the down part of Christianity for years, not the early church, because they knew how to do it, because they knew they were following the the instructions of Christ and the apostles. But this new thing that we've done of trying to avoid things and and not redeem stuff, is this is a fairly, fairly new, you know, phenomenon, you know, in the faith community, because the kingdom has always been about getting in there. You know, don't do not avoid this stuff, have the hard conversations, do the right thing. This is this is where we're heading to the world being nothing but a righteous place. It doesn't mean that unrighteous things doesn't don't won't happen. It just means that righteousness will be the the prevailing authority. We the us who have the dominion who flow in righteousness is going to be the ones in charge. This is why Christ said, I'm gonna put you over cities. Why would you have to be put over or in places of authority over people or cities if there's not gonna need to be a governance? And if there's gonna need to be a governance, there has to be righteous governance. Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna say righteous governance, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, because go ahead. No, that's le jump over.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no, no, no. No, I was with you.
SPEAKER_00I was I was just gonna have to define it, it just can't it just can't be under any kind of governance, right? I know absolutely. And and right now, man, what we're seeing, this is not, these are not new phenomena, man. These are just things that keep coming back around because we're failing to deal with it when when we have to. A generation that doesn't deal with its stuff, you're destining your children to have to deal with it. And if they don't deal with it, then your grandchildren. And if they don't deal with it, then you know, on and on and on. We're still dealing with we still haven't got to the equality or the equity of the rights of the people in this land. We're still trying to vie and fight for civil rights just to be respected and to be treated with some form of civility. We're still fighting that fight, man. We're still fighting it. Why? Yeah, I um yeah. Um I just Paul Robinson thing is still is still relevant. You know why they have in the podcast? Because it's still prevalent. This is this is still an issue. Like you just went to Carlin, Colin Kaepernick. The dude lost his. This dude had a future in the NFL.
SPEAKER_02He went to a Super Bowl. Starting quarterback, man.
SPEAKER_00This dude was just getting started, and we needed that at the time. I'm talking about not just a black quarterback, but a black quarterback who was uh not downplaying his, you know, and and and he didn't even fit the the visual of you know of what who you would expect to represent that way. Right, right. You know, you know what I mean. He didn't this brother could have just easily, you know, divested himself and and held on to his contract and be like, you know what, man? Look, I gotta do what I gotta do, bro. I gotta get my do my thing on my own. No, he he he hit a significant sacrifice, man, and lost his job, bro, behind it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but um, I will say this, man. He he took his calling, he's he's running with it, and he's still doing good things in the in the community.
SPEAKER_00But you have to go look for what he's doing. Yeah, you're saying. You have to, as you said earlier, you got to discover what he's doing because it's it's not just being publicized and and proclaimed, you know, through the media.
Passports, Blacklists, And Silencing
SPEAKER_02Also, I want to talk about this podcast too, because yeah, we are, you know, like one thing you always said that I've always like keep in mind when we do things, everything's kingdom.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, everything's kingdom, everything will come back. And not only we we everything is kingdom, but we are we are real-time podcasts. We're growing, we're growing as we record and and publish the podcast. And um it's just and then it's fluid, and so we're also gonna talk about what's what's going on in the country or our family or other countries, we're just gonna just talk about current events, absolutely, and right now it's hard not to talk about this division, this racial divide. I don't want to talk about this, man.
SPEAKER_00No, why why should we still have to be talking about this?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I don't want to talk about this, man. Right, it's it's tiring, it's it's tiring, it's exhausting. It is, it's very exhausting, and then you get people who just it's exhausting to everybody because then then people like I don't want to hear it, right?
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02But that yes, and that happened to Jackie Robinson because once he yes, because once he got on the other side, once you realized oh, Paul Robinson was on the right side of this, he was on the right side of this thing, yep, absolutely. And so Jackie Robinson was opening his mouth, and they didn't want to hear that.
SPEAKER_00They was like, Look, we just wanted you to come in and play baseball, and look, man, you weren't supposed to take up no activist position with this. You just supposed to come in and hit hit your ball, take your stick, hit the ball, and and and here they brought out another thing on the uh, you know, shouts out to them brothers, man. What what's the name of his podcast again?
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's uh my boy Bob Bomani Jones, man.
SPEAKER_00Okay, Bomani Jones.
SPEAKER_02Okay, is called The Right, uh, yeah, the right time.
SPEAKER_00The right time. Okay, man. Big ups to them, man. Um, but what he one of the things he they brought up, they said this is the funny part. They actually publicized this stuff in in a paper, man. That Jackie Robinson's skills, bro.
SPEAKER_02You you want to tell it. No, I want you to tell it because I'm you brought it up. I'm glad you brought it up. Go ahead, man. It's so ridiculous.
SPEAKER_00Oh, peace.
SPEAKER_02Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth.
SPEAKER_00They said, they said that he it wasn't the fact that he was just a good player, just because, just because he was a great player, but he actually got better at playing baseball so he could represent this cause, this blitz so he could promote progress the cause. So he be, he was the athletic activist, you know. He was able, he was able to increase his athletic ability just so he could be an activist for the movement of civil rights, bruh. Bruh, what kind of crap is that the same stuff is going on, same type of thing. I got better from my crew, bro. I got better from my crew. What was you about to say?
SPEAKER_02It was just like what like now the same stuff, man. For real, no, like man, I'm about to go practice my butt off, man. So I can represent stopping.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. And the thing is just so funny that and this was in and people was capitulate with that statement. Like, they were like, Yeah, yeah. They was like, How did it get past the editor? How did this foolishness get past the editor to publicly put this out in the paper? Because the editor was in on it. The editor was like, you know what, that makes sense. That's what happened. This color went out here and got his skills up so he could promote his little, you know, the little agenda. Jesus, man.
SPEAKER_02How long because I know he was like the lone black guy for a while.
SPEAKER_00He was like, exactly, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_02You know, more or the other. I used to say I'm I didn't prove Sean proved that we could do this. Like, where why the other was at? Like, I think Satchel Page and everybody else started.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they wound up coming. But but but you know, but Jaggett already, you know, and and he was handpicked, you know, for a reason, man. But but even in that, he was already dominating, you know. Now they would probably his skills were they were like, he was good, but he wasn't, he wasn't like great. So the thing was is like he got better when he got here because he wanted to push that agenda. And the reality was is that he was he was he was just good, but when you are playing with a bunch of other people that are just good, your the the greatness doesn't come out that because everybody's great when you're playing, you know what I mean? So you just look like one of the one of the other people. Now, not saying that that white people don't play sports great, not that they weren't great, but when he came, you take somebody that's playing in a in an area where everybody is just grinding and and and playing at this level, and they go play somewhere else where people weren't playing at that level, their greatness now it looks because you're playing in a whole different area now. So not to try and put no black superiority over white people when it comes to sports. But it's just man, when when we when that's really all we had, you know what I mean at the time, and that's what they did all the time, y'all doing a whole bunch of other stuff. These people, this is all they know, you know what I mean. This is Jordan and them, man, these dudes are out here was devoted to playing ball, man. And this is what they had, and they weren't going home to farms and and doing all this other stuff. Their life wasn't diluted with other things. This is what they did, yeah. So when they come over, you know, it it just it just came off like you know, like it was, you know, a superior level of play. But anybody that but in any culture, in any discipline, in any area, if anybody give an excessive amount of attention to something, they're gonna be excellent if you put them in an environment where everybody is not like that. You overlisten to other people, they be like, Man, look, I got a life. I ain't doing all that. Okay, well, don't expect to be as good as that person then. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02That just makes sense, man. One thing about Jackie Robinson, because we you know, we when you hear Jackie Robinson, you hear about greatness. He barely made the Hall of Fame.
SPEAKER_00Barely.
SPEAKER_02They said it was crazy. You needed 75% of the vote. He got seven.
SPEAKER_00He just got 70. He slid.
SPEAKER_02He just slid about it. I think it was a 70. He got 77.
Jackie Robinson, Owners, And Integration
SPEAKER_00So enough. Just enough. It wasn't just a last lie. You're not like, oh, for sure. Yeah. How he's absolutely gotta get in there. How can that be, man? How can that be? How's that possible? How do you deny people, man, that that are undeniable? How do you you know it's it's all of the things, man, that that they were fighting for? Yes, it's like we mean you were talking before, yeah, things people want you to be grateful that things are better, you know, and me and we had the same conversation on the last time year when we did the black history studies. Of course, if you getting if I was beating you 50 times and now I didn't brought it down to 20, why are you still complaining, man? That's ain't it better? Yeah, you know, it's like, no, don't put your hands on me at all, man. Give me, give me the same respect that we ain't even getting, we haven't even got to equal rights yet, bro. We ain't even talking about because the wealth gap is still ridiculous between the white high household and black household. You know, don't even factor women into the equation because the gap gets even bigger. And and it's man, it's just all of the things that are still so prevalent, like you just said, why are we still even needing to talk about this stuff?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and um I try to I try to hold my tongue and I see all this, and I you know, because I'm so attracted to the comment section, man.
SPEAKER_00That's the researcher in you, man. That's the researcher in you.
SPEAKER_02So you know they doing a they doing a reboot of the was it, the burbs? It was in that wasn't at the Tom Hanks movie. Oh, Barney.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02And old girl's gonna be in it. Um, what is her name? Let me look corrupt though. Uh Young Black Lady, black girl, uh The Burbs.
SPEAKER_00I don't even know what that movie original one was about. I don't think I ever seen it.
SPEAKER_02I don't think I Amy. Uh uh, yeah, it's gonna be a dark comedy, it's gonna be a TV show. And uh, Kiki Palmer. Oh, wow. She's gonna be in it, right?
SPEAKER_00Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02And um, so she's on she's on the cover photo, the burbs, uh promo, the promotion picture. And people just going off.
SPEAKER_00Going off, really, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh no, of course they're gonna make her black.
SPEAKER_00And I was like, I said I mean now who's going like, is it the black community going off on her?
SPEAKER_02No, it's a white community, it's a white community. Well, I ain't gonna say the back and forth I had is a white person, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And um now, what's it? What was their remark?
SPEAKER_02Um, oh of course, they of course they're gonna make her black, make the make the lead black. I said, Oh yeah, of course the main character is black now. And then I responded, I said there was a time when when most characters were Caucasian, even other races were portrayed by Caucasian, exactly. Of course, with inclusion, there will be comments like yours. Right, right.
SPEAKER_00But the thing is with you, man. But the cool thing about like, see, I don't do that. See, I don't go into it because, bro, I can't ever God has everybody wired and equipped a certain way. You can go in there and do that and make your comment and and you can discuss it and have it later, but it doesn't have a psychological impact that that sticks with you and bring your joy levels down. Me, when I go and engage with people, man, because I want you so much to get liberated from your you know, thinking that's keeping you bound in this pattern that I take on that and it starts bothering me. Like, man, because I I just hate the devil so bad that I can't stand when he oppresses people, particularly through ignorance. Yeah, you know, like Miles Monroe say the devil ain't the worst enemy that you can have, ignorance is the worst, you know, and and it's and and ignorance is bad because it's not the fact that you're this is why I love the word ignorance, and so many people get offended by it. I'm like, ignorance is like the last offensive word ever. You know, it doesn't mean you're dumb, it doesn't mean you're not smart, it just means you're ignoring the information. You I don't want to change my mind so much to the point where I'm not gonna even listen. You know, as they say, like, don't confuse me with the facts. You know, I I I feel the way I feel, and this is how I want to be. You know, I want to be prejudiced, I don't want to like you just because of the color of your skin, and that is crazy to me, man. I I don't understand racism. I just I'm just not wired to understand it. Yeah, I don't get how can you not like something just because of the color or the tonality or the shape of something or this and that, and then actually want to destroy it because you don't like it so much. Yeah, I don't mean it, bro. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_02I don't get it, man. I mean, especially if you you know you have that superiority complex. If you're that superior, why you have to hide or destroy somebody to erase somebody.
SPEAKER_00There you go. I don't, I don't there you go. It's because it bro, and and this see, and this is this is what we're here to do, to to have the tough conversations. And and bro, we get emotional. We got emotional uh, you know, when we had a podcast, you know, the last one. Yeah, we didn't done uh more since we just can't get them out, but technical it well anyway, yeah. But the last podcast, bro, we were emotional and we and we came back and well on the podcast that no one's heard yet, and we admitted that we were emotional. We humbled ourselves and said, you know, you know, we were we were in our feelers, man, and it happened. And we didn't represent the kingdom at its, you know, at the highest level. Sorry, you know, you know, forgive us. It doesn't mean I don't still feel the same way. It just means I didn't represent uh the kingdom and presenting the information uh, you know, uh the way that it should be. It it doesn't mean we shouldn't have these hard conversations, it just means we shouldn't get upset to the point where like I'm pissed off at you about it. You know what I mean? Because at the same time, we gotta be uh empathetic as well, compassionate, and compassionate actually uh exceeds empathy. So yeah, man, we we're doing this thing in real time, just like you said.
Media Narratives And Athletic Myths
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was I I had a spot and I lost it. Um but yeah, he got his uh Paul Robinson got his um he got his he got his passport back. Passport back. Okay I I had the year and um but dang.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but it was some years after.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Years later. Probably because some things got changed legislatively, you know, and and it went from one person being able to decide to where you just it went into the the legal process. And you know, man, laws are only as good as the as the people who are in charge of enforcing them are. If if if I mean we're experiencing that right now, you know, we're we're seeing some infringement upon basic laws just because the people's characters that are over the enforcement of them laws are flawed.
SPEAKER_02Man, um, yeah, I found it. He was his passport was returned June 58, and um he his passport was banned for eight years, man. Wow. Eight years, man. So um sad. You know, and then think about it, you know, we talk, it's like we gotta have these hard conversations, these tough conversations, and and and and one one of the conversations that we need to have, and people and we talk about empathy, and we need there has to be uh a large amount of empathy because the trauma has not been dealt with, man.
SPEAKER_00It hasn't.
SPEAKER_02Because I mean, it has to get you know, and it's like why are you so angry and why you uh react this way? Because the trauma hasn't been dealt with, hasn't been dealt with, and every time we try to talk about it, get pushback. Black lives matter. Absolutely, no, all lives matter, and then or this or this or that, and it's always a pushback.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02And we just want to just we want the empathy, we want to just have a conversation and just want to move forward, but right, just yes, you can't keep move forward.
SPEAKER_00We got you got a hand in your in your chest holding you back, holding you back, and and something over your mouth keeping it closed, and you know, it it bro, it's like you just said, man, you know, all lives be you say black lives matter and say all lives matter. Absolutely, they do. But no one has that argument when you come in with a gunshot wound to the leg and say, well, you know, we're gonna treat the arm because all the body matters. It you're gonna go after the area where the the drama is, where the pain is, where what's in danger at this moment. And if you don't stop and look at the fact, you erase black history, you are erasing your history. Yeah, if you could really take if you remove the contributions, I man, I wish I could just, you know how they the move where you can they have movies where you can give people a glimpse of something that if something went a different way, yeah. I wish that people could see if you deleted or erased black people out of the history of this nation, you to see what condition this nation would be in. It is not what you would want, man. No, not it is a hundred percent not what you would want. And no, go ahead, bro.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, no, go ahead. I just go ahead. Because I'll just I just want to tie it around, you know, I end it, but I wanted to talk about some of his achievement because yeah, for sure. He had music, he was in movies and plays, man. He was in movies, bro. But body and soul 1925, Camille, 1926, Borderline 1930, The Emperor Jones 1933, Sanders, Sanders of the River, 1935, Showboat 36, Song of Freedom 36, Big Fella, Big Fella.
SPEAKER_00Wow, wow, check it out, I take that.
SPEAKER_02That was a 37. My song goes for 37, King Solomon Mind. I re seven Jericho Dark Sun Sands 37, The Proud Valley, 40, Native Land 42, Tales of Manhattan 42. I mean, just man, just movies, man. And then the disogany.
SPEAKER_00That's just movies, yeah. Uh and the plays that he did. The plays, Broadway, bro.
SPEAKER_02Broadway, oh fellow, yeah. I think he seen this. Did he have a version of sweet sweet lows? Uh swing low sweet cherry. I think that's his voice. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00Sweet cherry.
SPEAKER_02Are you kidding? That's that's robes. That's robes. Wow.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_02Listen to that voice. That voice is out cold.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, man. That dude, it to j and that that resume that you just gave was just movies.
SPEAKER_02Yes, man.
SPEAKER_00That's just movies, man.
SPEAKER_02Again, valedictorian.
SPEAKER_00Come on, go.
SPEAKER_02Man, just let's see what else is just accomplished, man.
SPEAKER_00Very accomplished, man. Very accomplished.
SPEAKER_02Let's see. Let's go before we end up.
SPEAKER_00In the arts, bro. Not just in the arts. And in thank you. Man, if people just oh man, if we don't recognize and see what is really happening in our culture, in our society, in our nation, what what programs have been getting removed from the schools? The art programs. The art programs. There's been a resurgence of them coming back, but the first thing to go is the art. And man, if we don't recognize the art, it is the heartbeat of our world, man. It is the music, the the creativity that comes with not just the music, the artistry of acting and all of this stuff. Everything is an art. Even, I mean, it doesn't matter what you're doing. You can make it an art form. You make it your own. And it's supposed to bring joy and happiness around everyone. And for the most part, man, if we leave people alone, if we stop highlighting the differences, you know, and just man, just sit back and just take it in and love and enjoy what's being presented, man, this world would be a much different. It would have a way different complexion than it has right now.
Equality, Wealth Gaps, And Ongoing Struggle
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh, it said his efforts to end apartheid in South Africa was posthumously um rewarded in 1978. So he got all his all these awards after he passed away with that. After he's gone, man. Paul Robinson, he had a he was uh uh he got uh he won Academy Award for best short documentary in 1980. In 1905, he was named to the College Football Hall of Fame, man. Oh come on, come see in Lifetime Achievement Grammy Award at the pathway, and also a star Hollywood Walk of Fame. He has one there. And also and as of 2011, the run of Othello, Star Roberson was the longest running production of Shakespeare play ever stage on Broadway in history, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Bruh no, no, man. You don't have a machine on that. Let me and this is one of the things, man, that I I really appreciate about you, dude, is is you talk a lot about giving people their flowers. Now, you know, you you man, you bring up people that when on and I'm talking particularly on your music book podcast, but man, you you you acknowledge people's birthdays, contributions, and things they done, not just the music, but even just their lives, that it that they mattered, yeah, that what they did, don't you say keep keep the classics current. Don't forget these people because they they were they made significant impacts. And while they're sitting and their careers are, you know, have have have the sun is set on their careers and them actively doing those things, man. We still need to look at them and just man, just say thank you, appreciate who they were and who they are still, and acknowledge them, man. And and you do it while they're still here. And even so it they yes, keep giving people flowers after they're gone, appreciate and honor their legacy, but man, let them see and hear you now. That I appreciate your impact, man. I appreciate the influence that you have and you know and had on my life. And I really do just want you to know that everything you did mattered. It mattered, and bro, I appreciate that about you, man, because if we all brought that into our lives and did that more, things would look different. Things would look different.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, um, I see him in a different light. I'm fact, I'm a you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I gotta go discover him, man. Yeah, I don't know enough about him, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I feel like I'm in the dark, man. I knew some, I knew about uh excuse me. I just knew about um and like I say, I I went to a black college, so they you know he they brought his name up, but it never did dive, they didn't delve deep into his uh his accomplishments, man. But uh I missed out. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Uh big ups to my man, man.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man. Who wrote?
SPEAKER_00I appreciate you for sharing it with me, man. Because what was the name of the book? Kings and pawns.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Kings again, Kings and Pawns by um Howard Bryant. Kings and Pawns, okay, Jackie Robinson and Paul Robinson in America, a new book by Paul.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna check that out, man. Yeah, let me check that out. I hope they got an audible version. Yes, please. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Uh we have a big ups to Howard Bryant and my boy Bomani Jones. He's one of the podcasts I listen to, man. He's uh Paul Bomani, man. He's he's he's a very intelligent guy. His I think his mom is a professor or a lawyer.
SPEAKER_00His you know, his education is huge in his family, so and you can tell when you hear him speak, you can tell they're so uh even even though he got a little salty, uh, you know, salty vocabulary, you can still it it is peppered, but it's definitely intelligent, though. I mean, you know what I mean. So yeah, I mean he he being who he is, but he you can definitely it doesn't, you know, shroud his intelligence by any means.
SPEAKER_02Oh no. That man, he man, he'd be on it, he be on CNN, he's all over the place. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Oh, they have him on there, they get his his opinion because he got a great opinion.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um yeah, for sure. Because it's educated.
SPEAKER_02Yes. I wanted to say this too. Uh this quote from Howard Bryant from that podcast. He talked about um Paul Robinson and Jackie Robinson and and um and black people want the inclusion. And he said, well, when he came to realize that they they just wanted your benevolence and not your equality. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Not your equality. Wow. Wow.
SPEAKER_02That was huge, bro.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's deep, man. That's that's deep. That's deep. Well, I guess that's a good place to end, right there. Yeah, yeah. You got you got a you got a tip for?
SPEAKER_02I have, I can't remember, man. I just got uh just uh oh, I would say this I did yesterday. This you know, I fast every Saturday. Uh not every Saturday, this is my second Saturday in a row. I had I fasted one Saturday, skipped one, then I did two in a row. And so when I do though my my 24 hour fast, I just drink uh a juice, I make a juice. So I usually do the green juice, but yesterday I did another, a different juice. And um and I kind of I kind of I I'm starting to find it quite easy now to do it now. I do it from five PM Friday to five PM Saturday. So that's what I'm trying to part with. Cause you know, it's like once you stop eating and then you go to sleep, you know, just keep yourself busy and drinking water, drink your juice until you know, whenever you break your fast. And I made this juice that contained Ooh man, this is this was alcohol. And this is uh purple cabbage, purple cabbage, ginger root, beetroot, and pineapple, pineapple, and strawberries. So the beet is gonna clear it, cleanse your blood, give you good blood flow. The cabbage is good for your health and your skin. The lemon is gonna push push the uh the cabbage that has uh ingredient that's good for your skin, and so it's gonna push the collagen. And so, bro, my skin, my skin is shining. Wow, that's what's up, man. You gotta understand. I am so happy. Talking about a guy that dealt with acne in high school and as an adult. Wow. And I'm finding out this doing this fasting and doing these juices on top of praying. Well, of course, man.
SPEAKER_00No, that's the that's the lifestyle, though. You know, that's who that's who you are, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And eating right, yes, yes, I don't have to have these these uh complexion challenges because they were it was it's man that's they're killing, man, bro. I mean, you're talking about your your confidence, man.
SPEAKER_00Your esteem, yeah, man. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02I remember when I was in high school, I would I would be um invited out to go places on the weekend. I would nope, I would stay in the house on the weekend nursing pimples, bro.
unknownWow, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I see y'all, I see I see y'all Monday. I'll be home uh trying to get the red out the pimple because I'm messing with it, picking at it, so I'll be nursing pimples all weekend. So now here to where I could just wash my face, put a little cream on it.
SPEAKER_00Come on, bro.
SPEAKER_02Keep it moving and just like that, being at 55. Also, yeah, this juice also supposed to take help take away wrinkles.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah.
Culture Wars And Representation
SPEAKER_00That's what's up, man. That's what's up. I love it, man. And and people of God, God does care how you feel about yourself, so he knows that if if you have issues with parts of your anatomy and biology, he cares about that too, and he will give you uh some form of remedy or something to help you with that. So, you know, it's not all vanity, despite what uh your boy Solomon said.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I mean, but yeah, if you don't have any self-esteem, it's hard to be in front of people, you know. Absolutely, and so that's one thing I prayed. And remember, I I talked about on the podcast when um I just happened to go to Ollie's and I used this special uh oxywash, which is hard to find, it's it's called insensitive. And and remember, I was walking down the aisle and something called me, something told me to look to the left, and right there was one bottle of the oxy wash by itself.
SPEAKER_00There it goes, tucked for you. There it goes. Don't tell me that God don't care. Don't tell you the Holy Spirit ain't right there with you, man. Let's get that, man. Look, look what I got for you. You know, look at that. Look at that. I love it, man. I love it. And if you need scripture for it, people of God, Moses tried that same thing with the Lord about his stunt stammering and stuttering, and God cared enough and said, Look, okay, I'm gonna send your brother, your articulate brother, with you. I'm slow at speech. Lord, I can't do this. I can't do it. I don't listen to me talk. I can't do it. Oh bruh. And what did God do, man? He made concessions for his for his inferiority complex. God made concessions for it. And and because he cared, because he cared how he felt. I mean, God wanted him to know, bro, don't have your esteem in that. You have it in me. But he still, he still met Moses where he was. And that's what I love about the father, bro. He yeah, he always pushing us to be better and be excellent and to get uh out of those little idiosyncrasies, but he does not disqualify him like they don't matter. It does it matter to you, then it matters to him. And people of God, we we gotta get past this in 2026. We gotta we gotta stop thinking like God don't care about this, you know. It's just about this that he cares about. He don't care about, he cares about every aspect of your life, every one of them.
SPEAKER_02It's nothing like that relationship, especially, man. When you when it when that relationship, I don't know if people, guy, have you been in a situation where you see God's humor, father's humor. I'm like, oh father, bro. Oh, right. I was like, oh, you got jokes, yeah. And I can't do nothing but laugh.
SPEAKER_00That's all you can do, right? That's all and that's all he wants from you. Some everything don't mean when he do something, you drop down to your knee, or this and that, and it gotta make it all solemn, bro. Sometimes that's all he wanted. All bro, all I want him to do was laugh, you know.
SPEAKER_02We think we got it from, you know, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Image Barress, joy of the Lord. Let's go.
SPEAKER_00Let's go, let's go. Righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. So he's condoning all of that, man. So, bro, I love it. There's no other life, man. There's no other life like it, bro. All right, people of God. People of God, we love you.
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