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Fatherhood And Real Life
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A throwaway comment at work about Juneteenth turns into a moment that forces us to ask bigger questions: what do we do with buried history, everyday racism, and the kind of “patriotism” that demands silence from the very people who carried the cost? We start with Father’s Day energy and unfiltered real-life talk, then we get into a workplace clash that hits nerves on purpose, because these conversations are already happening whether we handle them well or not.
We talk about why Juneteenth feels polarizing, why the Fourth of July doesn’t cover everyone’s experience of freedom, and why “other groups suffered too” can become a dodge instead of an invitation to learn. From military service and the flag to politics and personality worship, we break down how people confuse symbols with truth, and how relationships get fractured when we refuse to give each other basic respect.
From a kingdom perspective, we also hold ourselves accountable. We talk through anger, crossing a line, and why we still choose to apologize when we act out of character. Along the way we share practical frameworks for hard spaces: read the room, give the benefit of the doubt, treat people as image-bearers of God, and remember you can love everyone without giving everyone access. We also zoom out to sundown towns, personal memories, and the ongoing fight for acknowledgment of Black contributions to American history and innovation.
If this hits home, subscribe, share the episode with someone who avoids these talks, and leave a review with your take: how do you keep respect without staying silent?
Toilet Humor And Fatherhood
SPEAKER_03Oh man, I saw that. This dude is fully, fully persuaded, bro. I was like, man. That's what we at. That's what we at.
SPEAKER_01People of God, welcome to the Gossip Twin Podcast.
SPEAKER_07Oh man. Woo, man. When you're in a creative rut, sometimes you need something to get you out of it.
SPEAKER_04Hey man, sometimes, bro. Sometimes.
SPEAKER_07And another funny thing, not only that, I don't know if you saw the other post where I talked about the uh thick toilet paper. Did you see that?
SPEAKER_02I did. I did it, right?
SPEAKER_07No, so so what's funny is oh people that got what I posted um on my social media. I said uh I said uh thick toilet paper is comfortable, but but uh the downside is the dingleberries, and so it was funny, and somebody asked me in the comment section, what are dingleberries? So my what made my day yesterday is to explain to this person what a dingleberry was, and if you don't know, look it up because I'm not gonna say it on here, dude. But I think seeing what that the definition was in print. Oh my, it floored me, bro. It floored me.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, oh it's actually that they actually got a definition that they actually say what it is.
SPEAKER_07They have to, man. Oh man, using that word for I think that word came popular in the 50s, if I'm not mistaken. Or the 60s.
SPEAKER_03Get out of here, yeah. Yeah, get out of here. Actually, man, you was the first person I ever heard say it. Really? Yes, oh okay, bruh. You know, my circle, man. You know, oh yeah, you gotta get with a different persuasion, man.
SPEAKER_07You know, those uh I feel you that uh the college jokes, man. Oh yeah, yeah, boy humor, toilet humor. Oh, that's why I get all that from because the brothers and sisters they don't play that, bro.
SPEAKER_03Right, right. But that's all but that's all right up your alley, though, bro. That's not humor.
SPEAKER_07I'm a Hicks, man. That's all we did talk about toilet humor, man. Grandfather, grandfather speaks me since we talked about my father's day. My grandfather would uh he would drop a deuce with the door open, man. I mean straight open, bro. He didn't even care.
SPEAKER_03Laughing the whole time, just laughing. Hey man, what I always tell people, man, is like I was like, when you use in the bathroom, you actually that's one of the few times that everybody is in the perfect will of God, bro.
SPEAKER_07Oh man, yes, we designed, bro, to uh you know, and that's why my grandfather on the way to the bathroom before the before letting it go and leaving the door open, what he says, he has said he said the same thing every day. Going to the bathroom is a blessing.
SPEAKER_03It is, bro. Yeah, have you ever not been able to go?
SPEAKER_07Yes, I have, yes, and it was it almost brought me to tears as a grown man. Oh man, come on, bro. Because this was when I had my knee surgery, uh taking all that medication, man. Stopped me up, man. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I was calling a wife in, but oh man, yeah, it was serious, it was serious stuff, man. Wow. I I mean, like I was thinking like hospital, bro.
SPEAKER_03It was like wow wow, dude. I mean, speaking of man, I know I know a person, man, that uh got deathly ill, bro, because they couldn't go to the bathroom and it be it began to you know back up in their system, man, like like a like a stopped-up sewage, you know. Bruh, it's real. And then people want to say, man, I thought this is gospel twins. We look, this is this is how life is every day. People are dealing with you. This is your everyday life. Is God outside of us uh dropping deuces, you know, and all of that?
SPEAKER_07But y'all gotta understand this is also a father's day podcast.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. Uh and this is what fathers do, dude. We drop dudes.
SPEAKER_02We drop does and then with dangle bears is what
Honoring God As Father
SPEAKER_02we do.
SPEAKER_07But yeah, I woke up this morning and um, you know, convene with the father this morning and told him happy father's day. You know, and like for us kingdom people, these certain holidays are are lifestyle, you know. Absolutely. Jesus' birthday, you honor that, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving every day. Every day, man, all of them, all the ones that apply that are applic applicable to uh the father that's every day.
SPEAKER_03It's every day, it's a lifestyle, dude. It's a lifestyle, absolutely.
SPEAKER_07So uh, but yeah, just because we do it here right here on earth right now, I just shout him uh thank you and uh this morning, man.
SPEAKER_03Be the best father ever, ever, man. Come on. If you're gonna give you gonna honor, you gotta honor the the one who sets the tone for us all, man.
SPEAKER_07So you know goats, talking about right, right?
SPEAKER_03The greatest of all time, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yes, absolutely. Yeah, thanks for clearing that up because you know these religious folk, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yo, call father, got a goat.
SPEAKER_03If you anyway, I don't know. That ain't where we gonna do this, bro. Yeah, what up, dude? Yeah, how was your week,
Tennis Elbow And Rehab Care
SPEAKER_03man?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, man. It was challenging. It was challenging, man. Just uh, I got this tennis elbow. Now I'm dealing with tennis elbow. Like, come on.
SPEAKER_03Is that the is that the is that the job that's doing that to you?
SPEAKER_07Is that uh, you know, it's a it's a combination of things. Um I don't know. Have you been on uh on TikTok, they got this uh this chest uh machine, man. It's like um uh it works through uh hydraulics. So you you like squeeze it, so it's supposed to pump your chest and your forearms and all of that. I well, I was going heavy on that boy, man. And it has like levels to it, so I was like really going in on it, man. And with the combination of that and that work doing these certain certain particular jobs where I had to press down these sleeves on a particular part, man, and we talked about like 1200 parts. Yeah, trust me, at the end of the day, man, my my elbow was on flame, and I haven't recovered since. Oh wow, yeah, wow so I got a doctor's appointment Tuesday about this tennis elbow. Of course, I went to the uh nurse at the hospital, and um, you know, they always downplay stuff, yeah. Yeah, they always downplay it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, oh man, dude. And it's not like when they do it, they love to fall back on the age or the weight or whatever, you know. It's all it's always, and they gotta normalize it, you know what I mean? It's like well, that's to be expected at your age, or that's to be expected when you, you know, weigh this this much, you know, or something like that. You know, it's always, you know, but it's is it's just funny how it just gets like you said, they it's so downplayed, you know.
SPEAKER_07So oh, I got a knot on my elbow. It's a knot. Protruding, right? Oh man, yeah. So she measured, she meant this is my right elbow. So she measured, she measured the left, and then she measured the right. Uh it's about the same. No, it's not, man. Look at it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's it's visually not the same. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Wow no, bro. Well, I'm just down here to for for for the formality.
SPEAKER_02And so, yeah, yeah, no doubt, dude. No doubt.
SPEAKER_07But uh, mom's uh man, uh mom's in a nice facility, she's in this rehab facility, and it's so nice. It's so nice to the point where I told her, I said, look, she's there for two weeks, she got one more week. Yeah, I said, take advantage of this. I said, uh, treat this as a vacation. It's like that, man. I got that it's a pleasure, it's a pleasure visiting her there.
SPEAKER_03Wow, wow, that that must be real nice, dude.
SPEAKER_07She got her own bathroom or on TV, uh her own nurse.
SPEAKER_03Wow. Okay, that's what's up, man. That's that's how you rehab right there, bro.
SPEAKER_07And it does, and it and that's my mom's what third facility, maybe third or fourth facility that she had to, you know, over time. And and you know, I it doesn't smell like a rehab place.
SPEAKER_03That's what's up, man. I know. That's what's up. Yeah, it's uh that's how it should be, man. I know it should be. Yeah, you know, make people feel good about rehabbing, you know what I mean? You know, that's what you're supposed to set that atmosphere, man. That's it's important. I I love that, man. I love that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so I've been have been having the peace of mind the last week. Um, and um, so she's getting better, so that's good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well that's important, man. That's just so important, man. That like you said, it's just a nice facility, and it's not uh just giving you that classic rehab vibe that you know, and to tell you to actually enjoy this moment, you know, this time here. Man, dude, you're that mental, you know, that all that all of that has to do with uh rehabilitation, man. And to be in a clean and you know, uh attentive environment like that, man, you know, where you feel uniquely attended to, dude, that's important, man. That's the worst thing that people can ever feel, is like they just part of a of a herd, or they part of, you know, just numbers. And just man, everybody loves personal attention, dude. And that's that's just I I love that. I love that, man.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's a nice place, man. So uh it was that's what's up, man. Darius spent a little bit of time with her yesterday. She uh needed some lotion and some snacks, took it up there and just kicked it with her, man. And I was like, Oh, you got one more week left.
SPEAKER_03And uh now you know that's how come when you count down the time when you're gonna have to leave a spot, you know.
SPEAKER_07You know, you know that's for me as selfishly as for me, but for her, she ready to go home.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course. I gotta do it. Ain't no place like home,
Juneteenth Comment Sparks Conflict
SPEAKER_03dude. No place like home.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah. So yeah, man, let me uh you got anything to say because I will talk about you know, that's this little incident at work. No, man, go go on into it, man. Yeah, we're all about being humble, open, and transparent. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Always transforming. So coming here, you know, John and I come in, tell us our story of whatever we went through, and then we under the lens of the kingdom, and and then show how we need to do and how we move need to meet.
SPEAKER_03How we come back, bro. That's that's the that's the biblical motto, man. Yeah, nothing never hid with God's people. So what up? What happened, man?
SPEAKER_07So you know, you we've talked about this. We matter of fact, we had a Juneteenth of episode. Oh why they got all man lead it, man. This it's a so polarizing holiday, and I admit it's a weird holiday for me. It's a weird holiday to celebrate. It's just uh divisive, polarizing, and then just like you know, then it's like you know, the enslaved people finding out that they were free a year later, which is right, nothing right.
SPEAKER_03So that's what put you on, that's why you was in your your Chuck D vibe.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and I wasn't even I wasn't even even thinking about Juneteenth. Matter of fact, I forgot about Juneteen. And think about my job too, and and I made this uh abundantly clear to this person that uh it's a racist place here. And I'm talking about my job. You know, um you know especially when Biden was in office, you would you would easily see some racism drawn on in the bathroom stalls.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, we just like, man, all these grown people, man, yeah, yeah, yeah. Vandalizing this crap with that, man. Like that that thought could easily be, you could have kept that. Right, for sure. And so it's always a pushback on Juneteenth. And uh I my area is like really, we're really pretty close. And we have a team later that decorates the uh break area. So every holiday for the holidays, okay. It's just she's a festive lady, and she just yeah, but needless to say, uh any of the black ones is there isn't any decorations for it. So I made a comment last year, like hook us up. Yeah, but what I do understand is that uh the Memorial Day decorations in the 4th of July are the same. So they just from May to July are those decorations are coming out. And so I suggest it maybe just because it's the break area is pretty, it's a nice size, it's it's big enough to have three picnic tables uh and two desks, right? And a sink, and a sink and a refrigerator. So that's how okay. It's a nice size break.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07So I said three picnic tables, like can we get one of them?
SPEAKER_03Right, right.
SPEAKER_07But then also, yeah, what'd you about to say?
SPEAKER_03No, no, just splash a little bit in there on just that one table.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, just that one table. But also, I did I I did give it a second thought because like I said, you know, there's some people in there, it's racist. And in our area, we only work day shift only. So when we're not there, people just come in there. Oh, okay. Take stuff from our man, we we we we miss chairs, anything. So we gotta we gotta lock down chairs and all types of stuff. And um, so I I I was thinking that and I know that somebody would come and vandalize the table. And so I just you know don't you know what don't even do it. Right. I don't even want to come in here because you already saw what I uh how how I came out after just dealing with one person, right? See the table vandalized because of Juneteenth. So this guy so I was telling two people, actually, I was telling this uh my co-worker Wendy, I was talking to her, and I was telling her about, you know, we was looking at the decorations, and I was like, yeah, I I I I said something to Margaret about uh hooking uh brothers up with Juneteenth, this one table. And this dude, Brent, comes over there, man, and he's a MAGA person, he's a Trump person, Trump, but also he's Arabic too. So that might bring some confusion to some people, but you know he kind of says and he points at the uh 4th of July decoration and said, That's the only freedom that we need to. He said, That's the only freedom that stopped him. He said, That's the only freedom that stopped him, and I just went in because I know this person, and I was like, look, man, you nobody cares about what you saying, man. And like you don't need to be talking about nothing like this. And then he then he tried to proceed and I cut him off again, and then he tried to say something, I cut him off again, and then I just like just went in on him, man. And just like um just start, I started going on, you know. I went I went back 400 years, bro.
SPEAKER_03Gave him the gave him the who and what for. Yeah, gave him the speech.
SPEAKER_07And where he drew the line that what he didn't like is that uh I said something about the flag. And um, and then he he also proceeded to say, well, you know, the Chinese, they were they were oppressed here too. I don't they don't I don't see them getting a day. Give them a day, who cares?
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_07I said so many groups in this country, let them all have a day.
SPEAKER_03That's been oppressed, absolutely.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you know what I'm saying? If they contribute to society, man, yeah, absolutely acknowledge that group. Absolutely, and then there's some groups, you know, we we go keep it a buck. We kingdom people, you know. If this is June, it's gay pride month. Uh I don't subscribe to that, but I'm not going around there and you know, if there's some decorations at my plantation, right?
SPEAKER_03You ain't going down vandalizing it or cheapening it, right?
SPEAKER_07Or saying, well, you know, God hates pride, right? Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, if somebody comes and ask me, I give them, I will tell them the truth. Right.
SPEAKER_03My opinion about it, right?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, my opinion on certain stuff or the or the truth of the Bible. I just come up that way, you know, but and that's something like, man, we you don't need to say, I say, you know what? I say it would have been best if you just not said nothing. Just said, okay, right moving.
SPEAKER_02Right. Right.
SPEAKER_07And then he tried to talk so then uh I walk away. And so Wendy, Wendy tells me later, oh, he was he was kind of insulted. I'm like, why? What? What did I I mean besides what uh I I think I was more insulted, but what what what was he assaulted about? Right. Oh you you said about the you know the military and the flag. Oh, you one of them.
Military Service And Flag Talk
SPEAKER_07I said, Wendy. I said, Wendy, I'm sorry, I served in the army too. Oh my gosh. Yeah, you know, uh my when I was in the army uh in a uniform, uh I uh uh a dude I was cool with, he they white dudes called him, uh called him there, where and it was going it like it was about to be like white on black, man. Yeah, and this is not what we we here for. We're here for the country, you know, right? And this was uh in the 90s where Desert Storm, this was uh right after Desert Storm, so but that still was lingering. We were all always reminded that uh we could get you know deployed, right? And so it was a serious situation, but in the middle of all that, yeah man, it worked. So you don't have to deal with it, you know, and I and I and I brought up my daughter who's currently well, she just recently um uh graduated from the service, but she uh she she dealt with um she was scared, but she was overseas and she said uh people women were getting raped. Oh man. Um so wow, uh so what you which what you were uh honoring so much, and I and that's something it's about the people, bro. I don't care about no cloth or none of that. And I said when they uh when they wrote the declaration of independence, they wasn't thinking about my black behind, and they wasn't thinking about yo, Arabic behind. And you want to honor them dudes if they woke up, they was like, what the heck is going on here? We left y'all, and that's what y'all let happen. Who let the dogs in? Oh man.
SPEAKER_02Oh no.
SPEAKER_07Excuse me, but um yeah. Yeah, but um that really it really got under my skin. And and he's the type of person that he just he's a very annoying person. But I like the dude a lot. He's a good person. He's very helpful. But what's funny, like I told you before we got on the mic, nobody's encouraging me not to, you know, uh not to do it. You know, yeah, yeah, I'm getting a lot of atta boys, man.
SPEAKER_03Right, right. No, no corrective measures.
SPEAKER_07Like even I went to my boss. I went to my boss. I just want to get ahead just in case he might hear something. Right, right. Because my boss was uh he was working in another area, so he was just running thin. So I bumped into him and I said, Hey man, uh, I had to cut your boy, I had to cut your boy out. He's like, he said, I was wondering when somebody was gonna do it.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, dang, ain't even ain't even getting no check and balance from the boss, man. That's you know that ain't right.
SPEAKER_04I was wondering what somebody was gonna do it.
SPEAKER_07But I definitely was an unlikely person's geese, right? For sure. I don't I don't want to be that one, man, because everybody else they have an opinion about him, and I'm the one that's on the opposite side of that. They say this. I'm like, well, he's harmless though, you know.
SPEAKER_03He's and he is harmless, but uh he got to be, he got he came, he came at the wrong time with that one.
SPEAKER_07So so yeah, Holy Spirit was on me, man. Absolutely. So I waited till uh because he was avoiding me, which I I get get it because I I was angry and I was and I was bleeping this and bleeping that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Especially look, I was called call it. Look, what I think is very weird and goofy. I find it goofy, man, and people just be worshiping politicians, man. You know, only politicians you need to be worshiping is God.
SPEAKER_02That's the only politician, that's it.
SPEAKER_07These dudes here, man. Y'all are you worshiping these guys? They give you, or just say you get the person that you vote for and get in. Well, they might they might do what they say they're gonna do, but they might not. But then just say they did what you voted for. How long is that gonna last for? Maybe what three years? Three years until the next person comes in and change it or something like that. So it's always back and forth. So it's it's wacky and goofy to be sitting there re-worshiping these dudes, especially to the point where it's severing relationships, right?
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, very true, man. Very true.
SPEAKER_07And uh, even though I apologize to him, uh I'm I'm uh it's still gonna be awkward to be around him. Right. Um, so yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, that'll that'll resolve though. That'll resolve. It's still fresh. So yeah.
SPEAKER_07Because he was like, he came to me, he's like, and I apologize to him. He said, No, no, it's okay. I said, No, it's not okay, man. That's like I acted out of character, and so I want to come apologize to you. And then uh one of the things when I was going off on him, I was telling him about, you know, when I was in the army, heard the N-word, he was like, Oh yeah, man, we I heard some stuff too in the army, but it was in jest. And I was like, man, I wasn't afforded that luxury, man. So and I looked at it, I walked away like fro. Yeah, he about to get me started again.
SPEAKER_03Still rumbling underneath the fault line is still there.
SPEAKER_07I feel you we don't you won't have to celebrate the holiday, but you ain't gotta sit there and you know, assumed somebody who you might think celebrated because he don't know about celebrating or not, right?
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_07But uh, if you want to assume anything, you know, assume that I might and um it just respect it and just keep it moving, man. Right, absolutely, man. Once the black people leave, go and say what you gotta say.
SPEAKER_03Right. My wife always read the room, man, read the room, bro. So yeah, just gotta, man, yeah.
Toleration Versus Real Respect
SPEAKER_03And here one of the things, man, that I just really is is disheartening to me, man, is really the the toleration uh that we really have, you know, in our society, man. It's a lot of us, man, are just tolerating each other, man. You know what I mean? And really not getting into the um into the the meat and the crux of the matter, man, of just like I I owe you respect, man. You know what I mean? Just for the simple fact that, you know, I my baseline is I see everybody, you know, as first before I see any other thing, color, gender, any of that, I see the image and likeness of God. I you have to train yourself to that, you know. So I'm not I'm not any better than anybody else. This is just what I've trained myself to see as a baseline. Because before I start judging you from any other point, I gotta go from here, you know, that you're you're an image bearer. And that means I automatically afford you, you know, a level of honor and respect. Now, where we go and build from here is, you know, that's a whole different thing. And it lets me know if I'm gonna, you know, tolerate you or not. You know what I mean? And and that, and that's not making, that's not trying to put nobody in, you know, down or anything. It's just like if I'm if I know you are, okay, let's just say, because it's Juneteenth, we all know what that is. Like you said, it's polarizing, it's it can be divisive. Only way it can be divisive if you're not gonna afford me the benefit of the doubt of recognizing, like you said, assume because of what the holiday is, assume I I probably celebrate it. And then if we're in a conversation, I say, well, man, I I really don't celebrate that specifically, you know, or whatever. But just give me the benefit of the doubt. Just like when Christmas comes around, I assume everybody celebrates Christmas. You know what I mean? Just, you know, in whatever capacity you do that, that's a whole different thing. But I'm assuming you still honor and respect it until you, you know, until we get in a conversation that I see otherwise. But until then, it's just like everybody say, I'm I say Merry Christmas to everybody during that time.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_03You know, it's Christmas, you know what I mean? So why should this be any different? You know, Juneteenth, it's simple, it's it's recognized. You know what I mean? It's recognized now as you know, nationwide. Now, maybe different states do different things, but it's an actually federally recognized holiday. So assume. And it's particularly for the black community.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you you're talking to a black guy, right?
SPEAKER_03Right. So assume that, you know, you know, and then I had to say something twice.
SPEAKER_07I I said it's I said this twice to him. It's a holiday, right? Yeah, yeah. He said, well, we shouldn't do it. Yeah, he said, well, we we shouldn't be doing I said, but it's a holiday, right?
SPEAKER_03Right, right. It's recognized, man. It's recognized. And and and and that's what I mean. Tolerate me. Bruh, I here's the thing. I go into a room, I know when I'm being tolerated. Bro, I mean, among family members, I know when I'm being tolerated. You know what I mean? So I I don't have I don't have no weirdness about toleration. You know what I mean? Like, I just people get offended by that. But you know, the thing is, we're all tolerating each other in some in some respect, you know, as it pertains to certain things. When we don't agree on stuff, but we're maintaining our cordiality with each other, we're tolerating one another. Because you got two people that are not agreeing with each other, man, and but we're choosing not to let this disagreement cause us to come into some kind of conflict. That's toleration, bro. Biblically, it's called long suffering. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_07But man, this dude, man, this
Love Without Giving Full Access
SPEAKER_07dude, though, man. This dude, man. Like, I didn't like what what made her fix his mouth to say that? And then like you never know anybody's backstory, right? So the person I was with that I was working with that day, we started talking about family. And this particular person didn't have a uh was estranged from their mom. I mean, for ye like over a decade, you know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah, and d doesn't have a good relationship. I mean, just on just on the surface, said what what they said about their mom, uh the reaction when you know looked at me like you probably think I'm I'm I'm a bad person. And I said, no. I said, uh my experience with my mom is different from yours. And as as we work together, and she had a lot more to say, and now I see where her anger comes from, and you know, why she doesn't, you know, f feel a certain way with her mom. But I just told her, I just look, as a person with a relationship with God, this is what I do. I said, I I I afford everybody love, but I just don't get everybody access. And it seemed like a situation where she's I mean, the way it sounds, man, that she's gonna have to learn love her mom a long distance. I I just I I mean, just with all the things she told me, I I yeah, it's just gonna just it's not gonna work because of somebody's mental situation. And so until they get the help they need, it's just your you know, I told her I say protect your peace. Absolutely, and so I can't judge her about that, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely, no, and just like and just like the homeboy, he can't judge me on my patriotism, I could because I have a certain feeling about that, absolutely. I yes, I appreciate where I was born at. Uh, but it's it's a lot of work to be done, and so and and I serve and I serve this country, and but now I have a different view of all of this when I'm sitting back and experience and see what's going on in this country, just the whole time, not just recently, and think about it, man. Like we you and I talked about it before. We shared, you know, uh we inherited our parents' racism. And so my mom, you know, she well, it was borrowed, so she tell me what she went through, and then I probably went through a little bit and I shared it with my kids. And and as time went on, even my kids, they didn't deal with it. It wasn't overt as it is now, and so it's like was going backwards. Now I have a point of reference of uh a new racism, and I got more stuff. Now I got new stories to talk about. When I was it was a point in time I would just talk about old ones, right?
SPEAKER_02Right. Now I got new ones. Now you're giving me you're giving me some fresh work.
SPEAKER_07That's and so my my thing is this my patriotism is earned, right? I'm gonna I I'm gonna respect you, but if you want to be like rah-rah rah, and I got the flag on my back, a flag on my house, no that has to be earned because I'm just not gonna do that, you know. Um anybody can fracture a relationship, of course you can. Of course you can. And I'm a willing participant to say, yeah, I want to I want to get past this, I want peace. I want to I want to have a I want to have a good relationship with this country.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, I really do, absolutely, but right now it's fractured and and and I think again that's where it comes in that people have to give each other uh the benefit of the doubt. You gotta give each other grace. Uh, because like you said, it's it's not even any longer that the conversation exists because of the past. It's present stuff that's happening that's giving people fresh uh material to be referencing as it pertains to racism, man. And and the thing is, dude, it it's it's not a regression or coming back. It's just every now and then the rug gets pulled out that we never dealt with it. You know, it's still undealt with, you know, it's from the beginning. Because first it starts off the lack of acknowledgement, like what happened with your coworker. That's the only freedom we need to represent.
Fresh Racism And Earned Patriotism
SPEAKER_03Why? Why is that? As a country, you can honestly feel okay as a as a representative of the country, being the country being free, but the people within the country, all of them not experiencing freedom.
Talking Race With The Grandson
SPEAKER_03That you can be okay with that, man. My grandson, he's 14, bro. We went yesterday, you know, we were out grabbing, you know, grabbing some food, man. He was like, Grandpa, I'm gonna ride with you. We ride and, you know, we just get into a conversation. And he brought it up. It swung, swung over to uh, he mentioned something like, um, he's like, yeah, grandpa, he's like, uh, do you think a person like uh it was something that was being said? He actually was talking about the gay pride thing. He was like, do you think a person that was talking, you know, like right now, you can't say certain things uh about you know this type of subject matter without it being, you know, really, really intense. Um, how was it, you know, and my grandson is mixed. He said, How was it like because somebody have said uh talked about this, you know, the racial stuff like back in the 90s and 80s, and bro, I don't even know where that came from. I don't even, you know, maybe some TikTok stuff he's looking at or whatever. He said, Do you think that a person could have that conversation back then? I said, probably probably not. I said, you can more probably have racial conversations now that you couldn't have had back in the, you know, the 90s and the 80s. And he was like, why? I said, because man, you gotta understand, uh, back in the late 80s, early and through the 90s, there was a really cultural awakening. Our music was, you know, really, you know, like the the black power, the black pride movements and stuff was really strong back then. Even our rap groups were becoming very conscious. The music, you know, the the newbian sound and all of the you know, Afrocentric stuff was like at at a peak back then. So you wasn't gonna be able to move. Like trying to be around, you know, like having the gay pride and conversation stuff like that was more taboo back then than it would be now because of the consciousness of the the culture back then. It was in everything. And he was like, Oh yeah, I can't I guess I could see that. I could see that because right now, man, you know, the N-word is is back up, you know. Uh if it was a stock, it's like at an all-time eye right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like you, and like your dude is trying to hide it and say it's being done in jest. I mean, you know, the right now, the incorporation of being able to say the N-word, man, is like, you know, with the other ethnicities, is more sliding in. Like, do I can I say it? Do I get to say it? It's almost like they want to say it and be able to be free with it, you know, and be openly free with it. It's it's sliding in. And in his in his group of people, you know, and everything, they saying it like it ain't nothing, you know, right now, you know, in 14, 15 years old, you know, in that demographic, uh, with no inhibitions whatsoever. They'll say it just quick, fast, and in a hurry.
SPEAKER_07And think about it too. Um, what's the difference? This person, like I told you, man, I was telling anybody who had ears, bro.
SPEAKER_03I know you text me real quick. Oh, when that man, I just cussed this dude out.
SPEAKER_07You know, so I had a uh co uh Facebook friend post something similar to that situation, and I about just something about Juneteenth, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I was like, man, I had to cut somebody out, man.
SPEAKER_07It's just and this person said, this person uh replied to my my comment saying, man, freedom's supposed to be uh celebrated every day. He said, freedom's supposed to be celebrated every day. He said, but he said, but the uh 4th of July reserve is it reserved for us, our country kicking Britons behind is what he said. When he used another word, but yeah, right, right, right. And that's and what he said is true. That's what that's about, really. Sure, you know, getting out of their uh their their authority, you know, authority and stuff like that. Shaking them off, right? Absolutely, and well, so we haven't dealt with that forever, you know what I'm saying? Right, that's different, and all that, and bearing arms just in case the British might come. I mean, all this stuff is times, has really changed. Some of that stuff could be flipped and and um repackaged in a way, but you know, he's staying on to it. But uh no, bro, it's too many, like I told him, it's too many groups, man. I don't care what group, man. You giving it to society, especially the black community, uh, especially our ancestors building the White House and all that, and DC and all that. Stop it, bro. I mean, like that should be acknowledged, man.
SPEAKER_03Well, man, it's it's it's because uh again, as we talk about this kind of stuff, man, it it brings triggers on both sides of the fence, man, because we're getting more, much more conscious of our contribution and the lack of acknowledgement of it. And the other
Who Gets Credit For Innovation
SPEAKER_03side is recognizing the same thing. See, we're if you want to say being woke, everybody's starting to wake up to the actual contribution that you know the black uh community of black people have made to this country and is having two different, very uh two, two very different responses. That this black side, and and it's a lot of white people that's on that side too, that are saying, look, man, black people a huge contribution to, and that needs to be acknowledged. Yeah. And then you got the other side to say they realize, man, black people had a lot to do with whatever. We need to bury that. You know, we need to get rid of that, you know, and and it's and and that's what's causing that division, man. It's a book somebody just dropped, man, that said, black people invented everything. That's literally the name of the book. Black people invented everything, and people don't realize that at the be behind the scenes, everybody there. You have Nike and then you have Jordan. You know, the thing is Michael Jordan is still, he's still Nike is the company, so you gotta represent them. But Mike became like so big that he became a representative, his brand of this brand. And as he went up, Nike went up with him. Black people have it. Look at black people like Nike, and look at white people like the Jordan brand. They were the face of it. But Thomas Edison is not the one who invented the light bulb, man. The incon does the light bulb. It was the black man that actually had that. Black people, and if you look at the GPS, all of this internet, all of this stuff that we have, yes, it's like we did it, and but we did it out of a necessity. You saw it, and you got the resources to take it to a whole nother level, and thus you get the you are the one that's getting the face, you're the face of it, so you're getting all of the the props and all of that. And then it's it's it's written like you did it. You know what I mean? Michael Jordan did not create Nike, Nike create, you know, and I don't mean created Jordan as him, the person and the player. I'm talking about his brand. You know, Jordan's brand is as big, if not bigger, than. Nike itself, you know what I mean? I'm talking about worldwide, man. Nike was known for running shoes, bro. Jordan brought them to the point where they were known for they they they didn't do uh basketball shoes, bro. Yep, and Jordan's are still not the most comfortable shoes to play basketball, still it's just the brand. White people get the props of the brand, man. And it and hey, and I and I'm only saying white and black because that's just that's just how is how you we designate it, man. I'm not trying to exalt one or debase another, I'm just using it as a distinction. But at the end of the day, man, the people of color, most of your inventions, the Wright brothers did not invent flight. You know what I mean? They they did not do that. The first flying transport transport was a black person that invented that.
SPEAKER_07Man, look, before we get out, because uh we want to cut this short, but uh uh Neil de Grasse, Neil deGrasse Tyson, man.
SPEAKER_03Is he the one that wrote the book?
SPEAKER_07No, he's he's he's going, he's going around, he's he was on Shannon Sharp, and he was talking about how society don't want to give black people the credit. He was like he started talking about the pyramids. He said the pyramids were were built by Egyptians, right?
SPEAKER_03But you wanted you rather say aliens, aliens, which is crazy. I'd rather give uh extraterrestrial credit before I give black people, yeah.
SPEAKER_07E.T. bro. E.T.
SPEAKER_04built the not Toby, not Toby. Right, not Toby. That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_03E.T. not Toby. That's that's funny.
SPEAKER_01Oh man That's funny that you say that.
SPEAKER_03I'm actually man uh going they finally taking me to go see this closure today, man.
SPEAKER_07So oh tell me about it because I told you I want I want to see Emily uh Emily Blunt. I got five but man uh because I wanted to talk about it, and she's one of my favorite actress, but yeah, yeah, man, they giving it the business, like saying it's whack whack juice, man. Bro, I thought go into the comment section. Wow, I saw I was like, I was like, my girl couldn't carry the movie. I was like, what? Like, wow, they were saying some stuff. They like this was Spielberg's worst movie. This was uh John John Williams, who did the score, it was his worst film. I was like, man, so I I man, I want an immediate report for you.
SPEAKER_03I'm definitely gonna give it to you.
SPEAKER_07Get it, brother.
SPEAKER_03Up man, so uh X gonna give it to you, man.
SPEAKER_07But before we go, oh no, but nothing too. Before we go, uh so yeah, we've talked about history and all that and the lack of and hiding and burying history. So I'm telling this person I'm working with, you know, I just wanted to give her a backdrop of where all this built-up stuff comes from. And I this mild mannered, godly person could just turn into the hulk. Where does that come
Sundown Towns And Childhood Memory
SPEAKER_07from?
SPEAKER_03Right, right.
SPEAKER_07So I gave her a backdrop and I was explained. I slept from Inkster. And she's like, Oh, that's not a good place. I was like, Well, yeah, it was a good community when I was growing up. Yeah, exactly. I said, We were surrounded by sundown towns. She's never heard of that before. Oh, wow. Oh, so okay, could you imagine her face when I explained it to her? Like, what? Like, yeah, man, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine, imagine being raised by your parents and your parents telling you, like, yeah, make sure you're not in these cities at when the street lights come on.
SPEAKER_03Street lights, that's what being for the street lights come off. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07You know, and and that stuff was real stuff, man.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07Uh, I've I like I I spoke before I was at the complex riding my bike. I had to be like eight years old, man. Man, leaving the strip joint, man, which is crazy. Uh Caucasians come to Inkster or Black Towns to go to strip joint. Yeah, and then she's leaving. Oh, look, a nigger.
SPEAKER_03Right. Right.
SPEAKER_07That stuck with me in my whole life. I remember going home and telling my mom, and she was so angry.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07She was like, you know, like absolutely, absolutely. But yeah, I was telling her all this stuff, and she was just like floored by the things I said, you know. It's like, yeah, well, you know, the society, this, and she's a Trumper. She told me she likes Trump. Yeah, for sure. She told me like Trump. And uh, and I told her too. I said, just because I said, I'm telling you now, because she was telling a situation where this person just assumed that she didn't like Trump. And so she said, This person was just going off. She said, I didn't say nothing, but he just assumed I didn't like Trump. And I said, Yeah, just like when people assume that I uh because I don't like Trump that I like Biden. I said, Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_07I said, I don't like the whole system. I don't the whole system could just that's broke, throw them all away. I like throw all of it, man. Start over, it's busted, absolutely. Yeah, so absolutely. So she was like, Oh wow, yeah, you know, get your game up, man.
SPEAKER_03It's good. People need that right. This I was literally about to say that the day and the age that we live in now, it's no reason that you shouldn't have the context. But you gotta want to give you gotta want to, and man, it's some uh a white, young, white, uh man, young white man that is has a TikTok, man, that he just breaks it down and like talking talking to you know white people, like understand why black people have these feelings. And then he just breaks it down, just just man, just little events by events and historical facts by facts. And like, how would you how would you expect these people to be when they've had to experience this all throughout history, you know, and you know it's it's a context, and he gets it, and he's a young guy, man. He's gotta be maybe 19, 18, 19. For him to have that mean that he actually went in and and studied and got the context and the facts to understand. We all about fact checking. You want to say that these people got a chip on their shoulder, go see why. Go go study why. And whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, just understand the reason why. If we I'm I'm not glorifying it, man, because black people can be racist too, man. I've I've met some of the most most racist people I've met has been black people, but I also understand the context and why that is because I know being black and being raised in that community, I also know that that black people are some of the most forgiving people. And we were talking about tolerance earlier, man. Our whole existence has been toleration. So we understand it, man. And and when you showed it you down for us, man, we we'll rock with you, man, till the wheels fall off, dude. You know, and it doesn't matter what color you are. We black people respect loyalty more so than than color. You know what I mean? And and that to me is a very strong uh value to have, man. Uh, we'll represent a set, we'll represent a color, we'll represent what uh a family name, whatever, man. But we're we'll rock with loyalty real, real deep. And uh, man, and and just for anybody to say, like, why are we having this conversation? Because Juneteenth just happened. That was Friday. Don't, you know, don't just experience the day off and everything. You understand what it was for. You know, it it was about acknowledging a group of people that were oppressed, set free, and nobody told them. Yeah, no, nobody told them.
SPEAKER_07Like I said, and like I said, I don't even really I don't celebrate it.
SPEAKER_03I said, but the fact I don't either, I don't either, but I but I understand the reason why it's there though.
SPEAKER_07Yes, you know, but I'm telling you, but once once old dude came at me like that, I was like, Oh, I pulled my Daishiki out, y'all. Yeah, I saw that. I pulled my Daishiki out, oh man, my Juneteenth bracelet out. I was listening to the public, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, he in his bad only thing I didn't pull out my African medallion.
SPEAKER_07I decided I decided to keep that put away.
SPEAKER_03I know I wanted to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The medallion is the thing I wanted to see.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I should have bought yeah, it's like yeah, I'm just gonna, yeah, and I get I was getting compliments, man. So people was respecting what I had on the day, you know. Oh yeah, happy Juneteenth, man.
SPEAKER_03That's what's up, man. Just say that and just keep it moving, even if you don't really mean it, man.
SPEAKER_07But like you were talking about black people forgiving, and and man, I think um, if I'm not mistaken, remembering that race with the Rodney King stuff, and then when the verdict was announced, and then when when they just set LA on fire, and um Reginald Denny got attack uh attacked. Uh, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was a black person like rescued him. That it was, absolutely, it was you know that's that's what how we get down, man. I mean, we got it's a it's a level of humanity in all of us. Absolutely. But yeah, you know, like you said, there are I mean, and there are A-holes and you know, it may be even racist, but like, like, but because of what we endure, like I remember like um my my daughter, uh, my oldest daughter, uh I would get her on the in the summertime or on holidays, whatever. And I remember I was dating, I was dating this uh girl that was that looked white, but she wasn't. She just looked white. Yeah, she could pass if she wanted to.
SPEAKER_02Right, right.
SPEAKER_07Uh man, my daughter was scared of her, man, because she was white. She was white. So she thought, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know. So um, and it took her a while to bring to pull that wall down because she just was like, man, she was man, just looking at her like wow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07And it was because, you know, what she saw on TV, sure, and what she was even taught, you know. And um, sure. So I had to teach her otherwise. No, that's not the case. Absolutely, you know, absolutely. And that should be the other way too. Like, you know, black black people aren't bad, white people aren't bad. There are bad apples in the world.
SPEAKER_03And in in every ethnic ethnic group, absolutely. Absolutely. We don't blanket that. And and I just feel the need to say this because you won't say it. And people that would think that you're so alcohol and and bro, your your wife is white. So you know, so so somebody to think like, oh, they just own one. No, yeah, no, we are all about the truth, we're all about the kingdom reality, and everybody needs to be treated fairly. But you just just because you just because we're kingdom folk, don't mean you get to come crazy at us. You know what I mean? But if we but if you trigger us and we cross a line, we will come back and say and apologize for it, you know, because we recognize when we operated outside of character, outside of character, there would be no need for mercy if there was no need for mercy. Yeah, you know, you know what I mean. We we are going to cross lines sometimes, but the father has made provision for us to also resolve those issues, man. So, you know, it's not about perfection, it ain't about being flawless, man. It's about fully understanding what needs to happen. I shouldn't have come at you like that. And people are trying to excuse you, like they say, oh, you you know that's all right. No, it's not, it's not okay. No, you know, and and uh and then you have to get positive, man, you know, and it could take some time, and it can take some time.
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SPEAKER_07Uh before we go, man, announce your podcast, my guy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man. Yeah, doing the podcast, identity crisis. It'll it'll drop today, you know, a pilot episode today on uh Father's Day. And uh, and it's all about man, just identity crisis, you know, being us identifying with not only the Christ that we're in, but also the Christ that's in us, and uh and getting that identity, man, because we are at you know an all-time high of an identity crisis in our culture, man. And um, that is such an important thing to get resolved, is our true identity. So yeah, so man, you know, got the got the permission and the go and the green light from the father to go ahead and run it. So we're gonna run it.
SPEAKER_07Yes, identity crisis. We are kings and queens, y'all.
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SPEAKER_07The trifecta, yeah, 2026, man. We coming at you.
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