#33 - Is IVF Part of a Demonic Agenda? (IVF, RRM, and Suffering)

In this episode of the Kingdom Mothers Podcast, we lean into a tender and often controversial conversation — Is IVF part of a demonic agenda? 

This isn’t an episode of shame or condemnation for those who have walked through or are currently navigating IVF. Instead, it’s an honest and Spirit-led discussion exploring the fertility industry as a whole — the systems behind it, the long-term implications, and the fruit it produces. 

Together, we’ll examine the facts, data, and spiritual dynamics surrounding IVF, RRM, and Suffering.  We will look at the fruit of each while holding space for those walking through infertility and loss. We’ll also talk about suffering, divine timing, and the hope available through faith — and highlight additional resources provided by Restorative Reproductive Medicine (RRM) for those seeking holistic, life-affirming fertility support. 

This episode invites you to discern, reflect, and seek truth with compassion and wisdom. 

Transcript

10:42:57 Is IVF part of a larger demonic agenda? What is RRM, and will it work for me?
10:43:02 What is the point of all this suffering? Welcome back to another episode of Kingdom Others. I'm your host, Brittany Thomas, and on today's episode, I'm personally speaking to the Kingdom Mothers.
10:43:12 who are finding themselves on a fertility journey they never asked to be on.
10:43:18 Today, I want to dive into the fruit of IVF, RRM, and suffering. I'm going to be asking and answering tough questions.
10:43:27 With the overarching goal. of being, how can we navigate our fertility journey in a way that is biblical.
10:43:35 Ethical and moral. My goal for this episode is not to bring condemnation, shame, or confusion.
10:43:43 It is simply to examine the fruit of different resources in the fertility industry.
10:43:49 And hopefully encourage you on your fertility journey as you take your next steps.
10:43:56 I sincerely pray that this episode blesses you. I pray it gives you hope to press on towards the goal marked out before you, and.
10:44:05 I pray that it gives you some things to think about as you navigate your own fertility journey with God.
10:44:12 So, let's dive in.
10:44:50 Viking and mothers, before we get started, I want to pray over this episode.
10:44:55 Father, I just thank you so much. Hollywood. How would be your name?
10:45:01 Thank you for being the good father who sees us.
10:45:05 Who sits with us, who weeps with us, and guides us.
10:45:10 Father, please remove… My flush from this episode. I command my spirit man to be brought forward and submit it to the Holy Spirit.
10:45:19 Lord, let your words. be my words, let your message be my message. I submit to you, and I surrender this episode to you.
10:45:27 Allow the women listening to this. So please hear the heart of this message.
10:45:33 Then receive guidance, hope, and encouragement as they walk with you on their fertility journey.
10:45:39 Lord, I plead the blood of Jesus over this episode, myself and those listening.
10:45:45 Let us submit to your will. I pray this in your name, Jesus. Amen.
10:45:53 Oh, as someone who has been on a decade-long fertility journey, this episode is definitely a heavy one for me. It's heavy in the fact that I have wrestled with these questions in my quiet time with the Lord.
10:46:05 Seeking Him, His will, His divine plan for my family.
10:46:09 And I have questioned his character. I've questioned his capabilities, his promises, his truths.
10:46:16 And I have truly spent countless hours. meditating on these questions.
10:46:23 Searching for him and the answers, searching for the fruit.
10:46:27 and the steps to take for my family. I… I want to live my life in a way that is biblical, ethical, and moral.
10:46:36 And I do my best to make decisions through these lenses.
10:46:42 Even when they go against cultural norms. And so this episode is definitely going to rub people the wrong way. This episode will trigger and bring up some things for some listeners.
10:46:54 And I just want you to know that this episode is not taken lightly on my end. In fact, this is the third time I've recorded this episode.
10:47:03 And if you're like me. And you find yourself on your fertility journey that you never asked to be on.
10:47:11 And you have a desire to have children, to have a child.
10:47:16 And you truly believe that desire is from the Lord.
10:47:19 This episode is really for you. This is for that woman who is still waiting, on the promise of the Lord to open.
10:47:27 your wound. And you… you may have been contemplating ways to support your body in producing a child, and so today, I want to really just dive in specifically and talk about.
10:47:37 the fertility industry, talk about IVF. talk about RM.
10:47:43 dissect both of them. talk about suffering, and look at the fruit of all of them.
10:47:49 In Matthew 7, 15 through… 20. It says, you will know them by their fruits.
10:47:55 It says, beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
10:48:02 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn brushes or figs from thistles?
10:48:09 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear good fruit.
10:48:16 Or, sorry, a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
10:48:22 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits, you will know them.
10:48:31 So, with that being said, I know that. This can be definitely an emotionally charged topic, and so I'm going to do my best really just to.
10:48:41 present the facts. of IVF in vitro fertilization present the facts of RRM, restorative reproductive medicine.
10:48:50 And… look at the fruit of each. look at… Also, the suffering that comes in all of this, and the fruit that comes from suffering.
10:49:01 And my goal at the end is really just to help you.
10:49:06 have some facts on your fertility journey. But ultimately, seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
10:49:15 Seek his character, seek his identity, seek your identity in Him.
10:49:23 And test the fruit of this episode for yourself.
10:49:27 So, okay, let's dive in. So, I've been on my fertility journey for 10 years. I've been presented with multiple resources, multiple approaches, multiple ways.
10:49:37 to conceive a child. And, um, here… The IVF is probably, like, the biggest one, and then RRM is the less known.
10:49:47 way too, um… conceive?
10:49:51 And a lot of people I've talked to don't actually know what RRM is, and this is the approach that I have chosen for my fertility journey, and so I want to just.
10:50:00 One bring up both? share with you both.
10:50:04 And let you really make the decision on what is right for you and your family. Um, I believe God is in everything. I believe He can restore, He can redeem any.
10:50:13 Any situation, any circumstances, he can use anything. So I'm not saying that he can't use IVF, and I'm not saying he can't use RRM. I am saying that there is.
10:50:24 a… if you're trying to walk your fertility journey in a way that's biblical.
10:50:28 Ethical and moral, there is a clear path, and once I present the facts.
10:50:33 I think you will see that path for yourself as well, but again.
10:50:40 Seek first the kingdom of God. Test the fruit.
10:50:44 Okay, so let's dive into IVF, let's dive into RM and what those are. So, IBF stands for in vitro fertilization.
10:50:54 RM stands for Restorative Reproductive Medicine. So, when you look at IVF versus RRM, just off the bat, IVF treats the symptom.
10:51:04 It looks at you and says, oh, you can't conceive, here's a solution to help you conceive, we're going to treat the symptom.
10:51:10 RRM looks at the root cause of your fertility.
10:51:14 And so, the two things that I'm doing in our… under the RRM umbrella are NAPRO and CRAM. So, NAPRO technology.
10:51:27 or natural procreative technology is a woman's health approach that uses the woman's menstrual and fertility cycles to monitor, diagnose, and treat a wide range of gynecological issues.
10:51:39 And it is based on the Creighton Model Fertility Care.
10:51:43 system, CRMS, which. I'll go into that little bit more. Um, for tracking biomarkers, and it's a.
10:51:51 It's treatment's aim to restore normal function and health.
10:51:56 Rather than bypass it using a combination of medical interventions, lifestyle changes.
10:52:02 And sometimes surgery. So… NAPRO is really trying to treat the whole purpose, find.
10:52:10 the root cause of things, and restore your normal function and health.
10:52:15 Versus IVF, that just kind of bypasses all this, and is just like, okay, we can help you conceive.
10:52:21 bypass… bypassing elbows. They don't really dive into your… a lot into. A lot of IVF.
10:52:29 practices don't really dive into what is actually causing your infertility to the extent that NAPro and Creighton do.
10:52:35 So, if you haven't heard Creighton method of tracking.
10:52:38 It is a natural family planning method that involves daily observation and charting of a woman's cervical mucus.
10:52:47 And other biological science to identify the fertile and infertile phases of her menstrual cycle.
10:52:53 This system helps users understand their reproductive health. And is used for both achieving and avoiding pregnancy.
10:53:00 I highly… I would be so happy if we actually taught this to our.
10:53:06 Teenagers. If we started teaching the crane method of tracking how many teen pregnancies could we avoid? If we started actually teaching women how, from an early age, how to, like, love their bodies.
10:53:17 how to understand their bodies, how to track their cycle, and understand what is my cycle actually telling me?
10:53:24 I think we could prevent so many fertility issues, so many different, like, PMS, PCOS, endometriosis things.
10:53:32 If we caught, understood our cycle, and could track your irregularities, or track… the regularness of our cycle from.
10:53:42 the beginning of puberty. And the Creighton meth flood… model actually teaches you how to do that. Um, and it's taught through a standardized program that includes an introductory session and follow-up lessons with a certified instructor.
10:53:58 instructor. So, you, if you're choosing to… figure out what is actually happening… happening with your cycle.
10:54:07 Why are you experiencing. Infertility. This is going to actually give you answers and closure.
10:54:16 And RRM helps you collect data so that then you can treat.
10:54:22 based on that data. Versus IVF, which really just takes this problem.
10:54:30 has a solution for it. And treats the symptom.
10:54:36 So again, this topic is really for that person, that woman, that family who's in the waiting, and knows that God has called them to conceive, but for whatever reason.
10:54:46 they're unable to right now. The second fruit when I was looking at IVF versus RRM was… God's divine design for creating a child.
10:54:58 And this was a big red flag for me with IVF, because IVF removes God's design.
10:55:05 For creating a child by removing intimacy and intercourse.
10:55:10 From conception, and removes God from. the creation of the embryo.
10:55:15 So, sperm is taken from the husband. Egg is extracted from the life, and an embryo, which is a fully formed human being at the earliest stage of development.
10:55:24 is created basically in a petri dish in a lab.
10:55:28 And we see that the practice of IVF is more in alignment with fleshly desires and timelines than with God's perfect will and design.
10:55:38 And timeline. Versus RRM, where conception is in alignment with God's divine design.
10:55:46 Intimacy, intercourse is encouraged. And, like, that's… we want you to do that, and when conception occurs.
10:55:55 God gets to knit together the wound… in the womb from start to finish.
10:56:01 God's timing and His perfect will. are… were submitted to that. We're submitting to the timing is on God's perfect will and timeline.
10:56:12 And we're allowing for true surrender of our fleshly desires and timelines, and putting full trust into God's perfect plan for our family.
10:56:23 And I feel like IVF takes that away. It takes away… that trust, that surrender, and yes, like, I'm not negating the nuances, I'm not negating.
10:56:34 The trust and support of families that go through IVF.
10:56:38 I'm looking at this from, like, an industry level as a whole.
10:56:44 The practice is we can put you on a timeline, on a schedule.
10:56:49 We can create these embryos, and you can have control of conception, you can have control of.
10:56:54 When you plan your family, versus allowing God to kind of.
10:57:00 have control of all of that. Another red flag with IVF, when I was really doing research on this and praying through this.
10:57:11 was that the family unit is separated. Ivf… IVF opens the door to any… for anyone to create a child at any time, for any reason. Ibs is… IVF is unregulated.
10:57:23 There's really no laws around how old you can be, how many embryos can be extracted and put in at once.
10:57:29 Hence, Optimum, if you've heard of her. And so it… it really just kind of… tears the family unit apart, or opens the door to do that.
10:57:39 Versus RM, which is, you know, you have to have a husband and wife.
10:57:47 it takes you from the entire, you know, intimacy, intercourse, conception.
10:57:51 Through the life cycle of… The natural life cycle of that baby being born.
10:57:57 the baby's born to that family, the family unit stays intact.
10:58:03 We're IVF opens doors to just… crazy family scenarios.
10:58:09 I also… another huge red flag for me is that.
10:58:14 IVF is not pro-life. And as a follower of Jesus, as somebody who wants to.
10:58:22 Follow the Bible. And… kind of make decisions from that lens.
10:58:29 I can't in good conscience support something that is.
10:58:34 Literally killing human beings. And taking… devaluing life.
10:58:42 And I'm going to dive into this a little more, but when we look at RRM.
10:58:47 you… you're having intercourse with your husband. That child is being conceived in your womb, God's in that very process from start to finish, and when you realize that you're pregnant, like, you're receiving that as a gift, you're valuing that life.
10:59:04 And you're gonna face whatever happens with God, with your partner.
11:03:43 the research on IVF and the process of IVF.
11:03:47 It is… it's not pro-life. healthy, viable embryos are destroyed in IVF.
11:03:54 Far too often. Life is based on conditions.
11:04:00 And… what is viable, what is successful? is based on conditions. Like, they're not… What do you want? What do you want? Pick and choose.
11:04:11 Human lives are literally thrown into the trash. If they don't meet these conditions.
11:04:17 In the IVF practices of discarding embryos is a form of eugenics.
11:04:22 as a fact. And I know that sounds harsh.
11:04:26 But we have to, as… I believe, as believers in Jesus, as Christians, like, we have to look at these things.
11:04:32 And just because we can do something doesn't mean we should do something.
11:04:37 When you look at the genetic testing that's done on most cases.
11:04:42 It leads to a discriminatory attitude. Like, we're taking human lives.
11:04:47 And we're controlling the process. We're picking and choosing which conditions are deemed valuable, which are not.
11:04:52 And this IVF practice devalues conditions of humans that are actually alive today.
11:05:00 So it's creating these discriminatory attitudes. It's devaluing… Human lives.
11:05:08 And then, for those IVF… for those embryos that are not used.
11:05:15 what happens to them? half a million plus embryos today are put into cold storage.
11:05:21 With millions more that were thrown in the trash. The options for unused embryos are.
11:05:26 Also, just not great, right? Their options are death to be sold or donated to science or families.
11:05:33 willing to adopt? Which are not a lock, or they're, what, left to freeze for eternity? Like.
11:05:41 Is anybody thinking about the children? Are we thinking about the downstream residual consequences that come.
11:05:47 with IVF. As an industry.
11:05:52 A couple Bible verses that, like. just keep popping in my head are when.
11:05:59 Our Leviticus 18.21. In Jeremiah 32, 35, Leviticus 18.21 says, You shall not give any of your children to.
11:06:08 offer them to Molech. And so profane the name of your God, I am the Lord.
11:06:13 Jeremiah 32.35 says, They built high places for Baal.
11:06:17 In the Valley on Ben Hinnum, to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech.
11:06:23 Though I never commanded, nor did it enter my mind that they should do such a detestable.
11:06:29 thing, and make Judah sin. And it just seems like… We are literally sacrificing our children over to Molech.
11:06:39 Through these IVF practices, when embryos are being destroyed, IVF embryos.
11:06:44 And when we look at this from, uh, my question at the beginning was, like, is IVF actually part of a larger demonic agenda?
11:06:53 We see… the husband and wife intimacy intercourse is taken out of the equation, God's taken out of the equation.
11:07:01 And it makes it so easy for… Family units to be destroyed.
11:07:06 And detached. And for human lives to be destroyed.
11:07:12 Or just frozen. like, can… can we see… What a great plan this is.
11:07:21 For the enemy to get vulnerable families. to come to IVF.
11:07:27 With good intentions, like, I'm not… knocking that these families.
11:07:32 don't have good intentions that they truly want to care for and love these children.
11:07:38 And then things happen. they can't… or decide they don't want more children.
11:07:49 Or they're like… Yeah. I'm not even… I don't even know that I want to go down that part, because I don't know that that's really what God wants me to talk to.
11:07:58 But really just come back to, like. I feel like the enemy has his hand on the IVF industry because of the red flags that I'm seeing when I look at what it's actually doing to families, to our relationship with the Lord.
11:08:11 to our children. And I asked the question, is anybody focusing on.
11:08:17 The downstream residual consequences, or are we just creating a culture where we focus on our own plans and our own.
11:08:25 timelines. Our own fleshly desires. And once… which is, yeah, it's a good one, it's a good desire to want children to… we're called, like, we were created to… Create and multiply to bear fruit.
11:08:40 And so the desire itself to have children is not bad.
11:08:43 I think, though, we should look. at how we're going about creating.
11:08:51 those children bearing fruit and multiplying. And what are the implications of.
11:08:58 those different options that we have. And when I look at IVF, all I see is this… like, when I was praying on this, I heard Demic Agenda, and then… it was, like, the pieces came together.
11:09:14 like, oh my gosh, yes. I don't get to have sex with my husband. God doesn't get to design my embryo.
11:09:21 I'm putting… I'm literally allowing. somebody in a lab to kill my children, to throw my children in the trash if they are deemed.
11:09:32 Um, unsuccessful or unviable based on who. Who decides that?
11:09:40 like, the red flags, the fruit that I'm seeing is not looking good.
11:09:47 And then it also, like, feeds into our… our desires.
11:09:51 for our timing, our own plan, and we're not submitting to God's timing and His plan and will.
11:09:58 Versus RRM. Where I feel like it's looking at the entire story, and it's planning with the end in mind.
11:10:05 For IVF is really just… looking at, here's what I want right now, but it doesn't really look at the entire downstream consequences.
11:10:15 Um, another red flag with IVF. is that there's this trauma. I feel… I see so much trauma wrapped up in IVF in an already traumatic solution.
11:10:26 like, situation. going through my 10 years of fertility, I have experienced a lot of different forms of trauma, and grief, and suffering, and it's… uncomfortable… being uncomfortable, and it's… it's not been fun.
11:10:45 And to add in something like IVF, where there's trauma for the husband and wife, physically, emotionally, spiritually, and financially.
11:10:52 Um, it, it just, like… kind of adds fuel to that fire of, like, why are we… As believers.
11:11:01 pursuing this.
11:11:07 And looking into trauma from. Okay, let's say you are able to have a child.
11:11:14 And then you can't carry the… the other 2 or 3 embryos that you have, or whatever.
11:11:21 Are we even advocating for or taking in consideration?
11:11:26 The child… the children… The trauma for the baby who doesn't get chosen.
11:11:31 They're abandoned. And yes, let's say, like, embryo adoption, somebody does come along and do embryo adoption, which is… Maybe one of the only ways we can redeem this.
11:11:44 But it's still not, like… a great option, like… when you… when we're looking at this from, like, okay.
11:11:52 Are we going to actually impose these consequences, like, on purpose?
11:11:57 These children that are being adopted. They have… Genealogical bewilderment.
11:12:07 So, basically, as they're gonna grow, they're gonna ask, why was I not chosen? Why was I love to freeze?
11:12:15 Why was I, you know, maybe, yeah, they were able to do surrogacy, but then that's still trauma, too. Like, when we look at surrogacy as an option, like.
11:12:24 You're allowing this… this human life to be bonded.
11:12:28 with this birth mother. for 9 months, and then they're separated from that bond.
11:12:35 And that was, for me, adopting our son, like.
11:12:39 That was the… most traumatic part that I did not expect.
11:12:45 Leaving the hospital, taking our son from his… Loving Mother's arms, because circumstantially.
11:12:52 She was not able to really give him the life that.
11:12:55 that she wanted him to have. And knowing that he was experiencing trauma in that moment, he was going from this.
11:13:05 This mom, this birth mother, this woman that he had bonded with for 9 months to come over to me with somebody, with a stranger.
11:13:13 And… adopt… natural adoption, what that is, it takes a bad situation and tries to make the best of it.
11:13:20 God calls us to… you know, take care of the widows and the orphans.
11:13:26 And while, yes, embryo adoption, I think, is a way that God can redeem the IVF.
11:13:32 industry and redeemed, like, this scenario of. frozen embryos that are basically abandoned.
11:13:40 by their intended family. we're choosing to put these.
11:13:46 children in this circumstance. And I think that's the red flag for me, that's the fruit that I don't… that just, like, doesn't taste good to me.
11:13:56 is that we are creating scenarios and problems on purpose.
11:14:02 And IVF is prioritizing the needs of the parent instead of the needs of the child.
11:14:06 Who is advocating for the child? And the downstream consequences of these half a million children on ice.
11:14:13 The millions more that were thrown in the trash. Who's advocating for them?
11:14:19 This industry, like, is also very profitable. And it's very profitable with a low percentage. For women under 35, the live birth rate per embryo transfer is around 50%.
11:14:31 And this rate decreases to around 25% for women between 38 and 40.
11:14:38 And so, not only does the immune… again, if we, like, kind of take this.
11:14:43 back up to, like, the 30,000 feet view. The enemies going to come in.
11:14:51 remove intimacy from the marriage, remove God from the creation of your children.
11:14:58 create trauma, physical, emotional. spiritual trauma, I believe.
11:15:04 And… financial. trauma.
11:15:09 And then also create all these unnecessary scenarios and problems.
11:15:15 downstream, like, just freezing. human lives.
11:15:20 discarding human lives, creating discriminatory culture. And I'm just like, for what? 50%? 25% success rate? Like, that's… That's the trap right there, is that there's a small piece of hope.
11:15:36 that this solution can bring. a child into this space, and because God is a good father, and because God redeems, and because God.
11:15:46 is working for all things for our good, like, yes, there… there are going to be successes within this.
11:15:52 And I don't want to discredit that, and like.
11:15:55 those lives are beautiful, and those stories are beautiful.
11:16:01 Well, when we step back. and look at this from a big picture view.
11:16:07 Like, the picture is just, like… Wow. He's tricking so many families into killing their own children.
11:16:14 And to do separating… The husband and wife, to taking God out of the process.
11:16:20 And… for, uh, like, hope, this small hope that may or may not come to pass.
11:16:31 And when I look at my journey with RRM, like, I've been able to steward.
11:16:36 my finances. Make wise decisions. And really, a lot of the things that I've been… had to do, like blood work.
11:16:45 you know, different supplements. Follicle scans, those types of things are not, like, breaking my bank.
11:16:53 And they're giving me data, they're giving me closure.
11:16:58 And… they're creating… an environment. I'm not saying it's been easy, I'm not saying I don't have.
11:17:07 moments of weeping, moments of heavy grief, moments of questioning.
11:17:11 all of that is still very real. But God is in every single step of it. He's in… the intimacy in the intercourse with my husband. He's in… you know, God willing, the conception. He's in the doctor's visits, like, he's…
11:17:30 He's in it in a way that's more authentic.
11:17:34 And by his design, versus, like. almost like an artificial… way. Like, we're forcing him into this design, and we're forcing him into this will that really wasn't ever a part of his.
11:17:50 plan and design for how families. And creation should be created.
11:17:56 And I say this again, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
11:18:00 And it seems almost irresponsible to do IVF when we can't guarantee, as a culture.
11:18:06 as an industry, that we can use all of our embryos.
11:18:12 And this is gonna sound harsh. though we don't actually have a right to children.
11:18:19 Nora passed to conceive them any way possible. And I… I want to ask this very real, raw question.
11:18:28 Why are we as a culture, so afraid to suffer?
11:18:34 Romans 5, 3-5 has just been heavy on my heart, and it says, not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings.
11:18:40 Because we know that suffering produces perseverance. Perseverance produces character. Character produces hope.
11:18:48 And hope does not put us to shame. Because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit.
11:18:55 Who has been given to us?
11:19:01 And Romans 8, 5-6, it says, Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires, but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.
11:19:13 The mind governed by flesh is death. But the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
11:19:22 One more verse I want to share with you is Hebrews 12.
11:19:25 11. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful.
11:19:32 Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
11:19:40 And I share this scripture after. 10 years and counting.
11:19:45 on my own fertility journey. And I can look back over the years and be grateful for the waiting, be grateful for the weeping.
11:19:54 Because I did produce Perseverance. I have produced character. I have produced hope.
11:20:02 And to be honest, I am so grateful. I've come to a place now that I am so grateful for my unborn children, because they are making me a better person, a better wife, and a better mother.
11:20:14 They have taught me so much more, and when the promise does come to pass, I will appreciate that gift so much more.
11:20:21 And there is also mercy in the waiting. And God has a divine time and plan.
11:20:29 And sometimes I believe he's caused me to wait, because… He has perfect timing for those children, and there's some things in my life that maybe he was.
11:20:37 It was actually mercy. His Noah's mercy, his… his discipline.
11:20:43 and helping me learn how to wait. and help me learn patience and perseverance.
11:20:49 I'm growing my character was actually a form of mercy, not a form of punishment, which there was a long season where I'm like, I am being.
11:20:58 punished for a sin that I committed. God doesn't, you know, want me to have this… I did something wrong. There was, like, this form of unworthiness.
11:21:08 God had to upward that and refine me. He had to give me space to really learn who He is.
11:21:14 who I am in Him. And how to hear Him and walk with Him.
11:21:23 God has a divine time and plan. And who am I to say that the child, the children that he has for my family.
11:21:34 who am I to determine when they come into this world?
11:21:39 If God truly wants me to have a child, won't He do it for me like He did for Rachel?
11:21:45 Hannah, Sarah, Elizabeth, and Mary? I want to put my trust in God more than my trust in a science experiment. I want to seek the Creator. I want to love the giver.
11:21:59 more than the gift. Come what may. And it seems out of order, and out of God's design to pursue IVF.
11:22:10 Especially when RRM. is a resource, is an option for families.
11:22:17 who are pursuing the promise of God to have children.
11:22:22 Because RRM is going to at least give you answers, it's going to give you closure, it's going to give you a clear path to the end, and come what may, you will still be aligned biblically, ethically, and morally.
11:22:35 We have to stop despising our season of waiting.
11:22:39 We have to stop despising our season of suffering.
11:22:46 Sit in it. with Jesus, weep with Jesus.
11:22:51 The Bible says he is close to the brokenhearted.
11:22:56 Jesus knows how to grieve. He knows how to question. He knows how to… like, he's been through the Garden of Gethsemane. He wept for Lazarus.
11:23:07 And yet, he still did… His father's business. He was about his father's business.
11:23:13 He was on his timing. And… he was on his plan.
11:23:19 Regardless of his fleshly desires. to not want to take the cup for us.
11:23:25 To not want to hang on that cross. he still did it. He still chose the discomfort. He chose the suffering.
11:23:33 He chose the grief. For us.
11:23:43 So I want to encourage you to grow in your faith, grow in your perseverance, grow in your character.
11:23:49 And grow in hope. And when we walk our fertility journeys step-by-step with Jesus.
11:23:58 In alignment with God's perfect plan. This will, in design.
11:24:03 Then, if he put it… the desire in your heart, if… He gave you that promise, then stand on it, and stand on it with everything that you have.
11:24:15 come into agreement with me. Treat your body as a temple.
11:24:18 Do your part, walk in obedience and faith. And then surrender to receive what his perfect plan.
11:24:24 And Will is for you and your family.
11:24:30 So, if you're a woman in the waiting. And you're questioning, God, is this really still your desire for me? You're questioning.
11:24:39 am I ever gonna have a child? Remind him who he is, and remind him who you are in him.
11:24:47 You said it, God. And I'm gonna believe it.
11:24:51 If you can do it for Rachel, Hannah, Sarah.
11:24:55 You can do it for me. You put this desire in my heart, and so I'm asking you.
11:25:03 to do what you said you weren't going to do.
11:25:06 If this is not a desire of you, Lord, then take it away.
11:25:10 I'm gonna do my part. I'm gonna treat my body as a temple. I'm gonna use the resources to learn more about my body, to track my… my cycle.
11:25:20 to get the blood work done, to test my hormones, to track my ovulation.
11:25:26 to, you know, I'm gonna exercise. Eat right. Do the things that are in alignment with what God calls us to do, to restore our bodies back to His.
11:25:37 design, and I believe… when we look at RRM, it is, like.
11:25:42 encouraging you. 2. Follow what God says in the Bible of how we should treat our bodies.
11:25:48 How we should treat our spirits and our minds.
11:25:52 It is in alignment with that.
11:25:57 And then we have to come to a place of surrender.
11:26:00 His perfect timing… His perfect plan.
11:26:07 And wait upon the Lord. And not grow weary in doing good.
11:26:15 So again, like, I hope this encourages you. If you're in the suffering, that you are… it's okay.
11:26:21 I hate that you're suffering. But don't despise it, because God is doing a good work in you.
11:26:28 He is producing good fruit in you, in your waiting, in your season of suffering.
11:26:33 And I believe if we can continue to look at him, to seek him, to know Him.
11:26:39 There's going to be peace wrapped in that. There's going to be comfort. He… will comfort us. That is a promise of His.
11:26:49 But keep seeking Him, keep pursuing Him, keep asking the questions, keep being honest.
11:26:54 Being that relationship with Him. And he will guide and direct your steps.
11:27:01 And if IVF and. Embryo adoption, or whatever comes with that, is part of your story. I'm not discrediting that, I'm not devaluing that.
11:27:10 I think God can redeem this industry. I think He can use all things for our good and for His glory.
11:27:17 And so I celebrate with you. If you were able to have a successful.
11:27:22 Um, child… from one of these… options in the fertility industry.
11:27:30 How my heart is for us to have eyes open wide when we go into.
11:27:34 These choices, and really look at and understand the downstream.
11:27:39 extreme consequences. And make decisions in a way that are going to align biblically, ethically, and morally.
11:27:48 So with that, I love you guys. I… truly pray for you.
11:27:54 and your families. And I… I really hope you hear my heart on this.
11:27:59 And I hope that if you are in the waiting, that you are encouraged.
11:28:04 to keep going, keep putting that step in front of the other. Have that mustard seed of faith.
11:28:10 That is, like, weird that this kind of grows, and… It is so thick that it cannot be torn down. If God said it.
11:28:20 I'll leave it, stand on it, agree with it.
11:28:23 wait on him. It will happen. And I believe that for you just as much as I believe it for me.
11:28:30 The Test the spirits, test the fruit. As you're making decisions.
11:28:34 Try not to make decisions from a place of fleshly desires. Try not to make decisions from.
11:28:41 our emotions. But truly look at what does the Bible say?
11:28:46 What is God's character? what is the fruit of these decisions that we're making?
11:28:52 Not only in the present, but downstream. And then go where there's peace, go where there is alignment with God's truth.
11:29:02 And go with a heart. And a posture of surrendering to receive.
11:29:08 Thank you for listening. And I'll see you on our next episode.