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Walking with the Savior - Testimonies of Jesus Christ in Christian Lives
Porn Is Ruining Your Life But Jesus Christ Can Help
Curtis Morley, a successful entrepreneur and best-selling author, joins to talk about overcoming pornography addiction through Christ. Curtis discusses the pervasive problem of pornography, misconceptions about addiction, and the importance of recovery over mere sobriety. He introduces a shame-free program that focuses on understanding and addressing the underlying needs leading to addiction rather than just the behavior itself. The conversation also delves into the concepts of shame, guilt, and the transformative power of Christ's Atonement.
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Welcome everybody to this week's episode of walking with the savior podcast. I'm your host John Merrill Kirkman and on this podcast We talk of Christ We preach of Christ and we podcast about Christ so that we can all come on to Christ on this week's episode I've got a special guest Curtis Morley Curtis is a five time entrepreneur speaker mentor coach educator thought leader Mountaineer and professional He is a Wall Street Journal best selling author and had the number one new release bestseller on Amazon with his book the entrepreneurs paradox Curtis has built companies achieving 20x growth and acquired 96 of the Fortune 100 as clients. And he has been heard on over a 1000 radio stations by millions of people around the world and as a sought after speaker and has presented at events around the globe. I met. Curtis several weeks ago, and I interviewed him for this podcast Which will come out either next week or the week after and when we were done I said is there anything I could do for you and he said yeah, you can tell people about my Program overcoming pornography in which he talks about how the Savior can help them in his course that he's offering starting in January I said well, let's do an interview if you're talking about overcoming pornography through Jesus Christ Sounds like a fit for this podcast as I interviewed Curtis. We talked about shame and guilt and recovery and sobriety these are Fascinating concepts and even if you don't have a pornography problem, you can learn something from this podcast that will help you with your weaknesses and struggles because as we all know, life is built for mortality and that includes weaknesses. So let's jump right in to Curtis.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Curtis today we're going to talk about how we can overcome pornography through Christ. And I know what you're doing is miraculous and marvelous as we've talked about your program. So tell me how you are offering hope through Christ to overcome pornography addiction.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Thanks, John. Yeah, it's, there, there is, there's a pervasive problem going on in the
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm hmm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:and even in Christianity
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm hmm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:the low end, the say that 85 percent of men struggle with unwanted pornography viewing. and those are the ones that are reporting. And It's, it is, it's staggering. The, the thought that this is a pervasive problem and like to put a, to put a really strong point on it, there is a university out of British Columbia up in Canada, they got 6 million from a funding from the government. And they, they wanted to do brain scans on people that were addicted to pornography and those that weren't, and the criteria for being, what they put as the criteria was that anyone that looks at pornography, three or more times per week, they would put them in the, addicted bucket. And then in the control group, they were looking for 20 men. That were that we're looking at pornography three or less times per week. That was their criteria. and they ended up giving the money back. They ended up giving the 6 million back because they couldn't find the 20 men looked at pornography three or less times a week. And And
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Wow.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:this problem is pervasive and along with it, I believe that one of the reasons that it's so pervasive is that there's some myths, there's some lies and there's some traps around pornography. one of the biggest myths is that once an addict, always an addict,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:that you are condemned to a life sentence. that every day is going to be a struggle. Every day you're going to be shackled to this problem. And here's, here's why that's a lie, is that if we believe that we cannot overcome this, We also believe that Christ's atonement doesn't apply and Christ's atonement does apply and he can make us whole and he can cleanse us. I think about the, the woman with the issue of blood who for 12 years this issue of blood. And with her faith, she was able to reach out and touch the hem. of Christ's garment. And she was made whole again. She was made whole. She wasn't made 90%. She wasn't made 60%. She was made whole. And that's the power of Christ's atonement. And this myth that, that I'm an addict and I always have to be an addict, and that I will struggle with this every single day just not true. If you think about the atonement of Christ, it can't be true. But if we believe that, if we buy into that lie, if we buy into that myth, then it will be a daily struggle,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:every single day.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:So how is your program different than, like, say, the 12 step program or other things like that? What are some of the things that stand out that are different with your program?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:The, the biggest one, well, there's, there's multiple, but
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:biggest one is that this is a shame free program. And we don't buy into the myth that you are committed to a life sentence. The, if you, if you go to any essay meeting or even the Christian based meeting, the very first thing they do in their meetings is they start with shame. And they have everyone stand up and say, hi, I'm Curtis. I'm a pornography addict. And they put this great big label across their chest says addict. going to identify as an addict. And if you think about that, like if you identify as an athlete, What are the things you do? You buy the clothes, you dress like an athlete, you, you spend your morning in exercise, you eat like an athlete, you, you do the things an athlete does. And if you label yourself as an addict, you're going to do the things an addict does. And that's part of the trap. That's part of the reason that the same people show up at the essay meetings every single week, year after year, saying, well, I just had another relapse. I just had another relapse. I just had another relapse. And it turns out that sobriety, sobriety is the counterfeit. for recovery.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:that, that may be the biggest difference is that, that most programs, almost every program I've ever seen is focused on sobriety. And, and the definition of sobriety is how long can I push the demons down in my soul? And I've got a little demon right here. Is how long can I push this demon down in my soul? Okay. Until at some point, I'm going to be triggered enough that, boop, it pops right back up and then I push it down again and I'm sober for a week or two months or even a year and I keep pushing this down and then all of a sudden, there's that same event again and, boop, it pops up and the difference between sobriety and And recovery is sobriety pushes it down. Recovery? We pull this little guy out of our soul. We pull him right out of our soul and we say, Hey, Let's go to lunch, let's go to lunch and we sit down and go to lunch with our demons and we get to know them and we start to understand what they're trying to do for us. the funny thing is once we do that, once we pull these little guys out of our soul, it's amazing because we find out they're not actually demons. That they're trying to protect us. They're trying to help us and they're doing it in a destructive way. Don't get me wrong. Pornography is not, not good that they're, they're trying to protect us. And once we understand what they're trying to do, what the purpose is, then we can come to peace with them.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:help them help us. the next time that exact same trigger pops up exact trigger, all of a sudden there's no more demon here in my soul. Now the demon is out and I can be in the exact same situation and have zero desire, zero inkling, need for the behavior. And so what we do is instead of focusing on the behavior, we focus on the need for the behavior.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:that need? What is this little demon trying to tell us? And why, why is he trying to And, and if you think about the Hebrew meaning Of perfect. I, you look in Matthew 5 48, um, the scripture says, be there for perfect, even as the, your father, which art in heaven is perfect. And, and I had a Bishop share this with me. I'm a, I'm a recovering perfectionist for sure. And, uh, and I had a Bishop share this with me and he said that this may be the most misunderstood scripture in all of scripture. and there's a couple of reasons why, if you look over, if you look at the cross reference, from Matthew 5, 48 to, to third Nephi 13, 48. Where he says almost the exact same thing almost not quite in 3rd Nephi. He says be there for perfect even as I or your father which art in heaven is perfect. And do you notice what he left out in Matthew?
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Hmm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Notice what he left out. He left, left out himself. This was before, Matthew, it was before his atonement, before his resurrection, before his crucifixion, before ascending to the father, before getting a perfect body. He didn't include himself, not until all of all of those things happen, not until the garden of Gethsemane, not until after all of that, did he say, and so we have this idea of perfectionism that I have to be perfect, but truly, it's not in this life that we have to be perfect and elder Holland has said that many times and in his conference talks, his It doesn't have to be in this life that we're perfect. And it's, we're not actually expected to be perfect. we are expected is to be willing to be perfected,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Oh,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:willing let Christ do his job and perfect us. And so that's the first reason this, this scripture is so misunderstood. The second reason is we've got to go back to the Hebrew translation the word perfect. The word perfect means whole. Be there for whole and, and, um, I was listening to the sparks of sparks of gratitude podcast and, um, Randy Sparks had Devin rapidly on, and he talked about this idea of what does it mean to be whole and this little guy, this little, I've been calling a demon in our soul is actually part of us. And most of us say, you know what? I don't want you. I'm going to reject you. I'm going to take a piece of me, separate it from me, you know, exclude it, exile this piece of me. And as long as I'm putting part of me out, I can never be whole. As soon as I start accepting all that is me, even the things I don't like, then I can start to become whole. Then I can start process of letting Christ, his atonement, perfect me.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Hmm
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:But as long as I'm, as long as I'm shunning and exiling pieces of me, I can never be whole.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:hmm. So we've, we've talked in before about shame and guilt. How
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Hmm.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:that fit into this and why is shame such a source of the bigger problem?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. this is fascinating. Most men that think they're addicted to pornography they're not clinically addicted you can actually see addiction in the brain and they're, they're not addicted to pornography, but what they are addicted to. The actual addiction is an addiction to shame.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Hmm, that's mind blowing because shame is so. So bad,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:It is sinister.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:it's sinister.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. It doesn't matter how someone starts looking at pornography. What keeps them trapped in that cycle that that spin is, is the shame. And, and I can, I can tell when someone is when someone is in true recovery sobriety is when they finally are willing to let go of the shame when they're finally willing. And it's fascinating. I was talking to a friend and he talked about his dad and his brother. And he said that his dad was a raging alcoholic most of his life and would just, you know, go into these fits and as he got drunk and it was this horrible experience. And then his brother, as soon as he turned 18, in his dad's footsteps and became a raging alcoholic as well. And, and about five years ago, five years ago, they, they both decided together that they were going to get clean. And so they went through the programs and, um, and they. They came out the other end and it's been five years. They've been five years sober. And he asked his brother, or excuse me, he asked his dad first. He said, dad, how often do you want to drink? How often are you, do you feel this compulsion? Like I've got to have a drink. I've got to have a drink. And his dad said. don't remember. don't remember the last time I wanted a drink. And, um, and then he asked his brother the same question. He said, when was the last time you wanted to drink? He's like, oh, 15 minutes ago. He said, every single day I wake up, the first thought on my mind is I gotta have a drink. And then I go throughout my day and over and over again, I have to fight this thing that says I need to have a drink. And this clearly illustrates the difference between recovery and sobriety. His dad was in recovery. His dad said, I don't even remember the last time I wanted to drink. And that urge, that compulsion, it was gone out of his life. had no more desire to do evil as the scriptures say. no more desire to go to that behavior, that destructive behavior. His brother was fighting it every 15 minutes of the day. And that's what this program. Yeah. Yeah. The, the pushing down the demon, it was over and over. And every 15 minutes that demons popping up saying, Hey, go have a drink, go have a drink. I need a whiskey. I need a scotch, whatever it was. And he kept pushing it down. His dad pulled the demon out. And said, you know what? I realize you're trying to protect me, but I've got it from here. I don't need you to do this anymore. And so, so understanding that difference between recovery and sobriety is so critical and the, the shame aspect of it. The shame aspect is what keeps us trapped. This belief that I have to be an addict, belief that says I cannot be made whole, I cannot be made whole. And this lie that we're being told. says you will struggle with this the rest of your life. It's not true, John. And that's why I created this, is because there is hope. There is hope in Christ. There is hope in his atonement. And there is hope in understanding the truth. pornography, because here's the thing. Pornography is that much of the problem. You could replace pornography with gambling, with alcohol, with exercise, sports, with, um, gaming, with shopping. I mean, it doesn't matter. That's the behavior. And that's what most programs do is they say, here's the behavior. We're going to focus on the behavior. And they never come and say, we're going to focus on the need. For the behavior. Because once you get rid of the need for the behavior, just, it just dissipates. It just dissolves into nothing. And the beauty is, is it becomes almost a distant memory where it's like, Oh yeah, that's right. I used to do that instead of every 15 minutes wanting to go get that drink or wanting to binge on pornography,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:That the the thing that really Sparked like wow, this isn't this is a total shift was when you talked about Previously we talked about this episode and you shared that Relapse is viewed differently in your program like it could be a friend You And can, can you explain that and how that connects us to Jesus Christ? Because that was, and I, and for the listener, if you don't have a pornography problem, think about your anger problem. Think about your, uh, what, what could be another thing if they're not addicted to pornography?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:um,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:anxiety, your,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:uh,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:uh,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:any, any of those feelings. Yeah. Depression.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Okay. So tell us. Okay. Okay. Okay.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. So the, the definition of, of sobriety is the time between relapses. So you have, you have this timeframe and you cannot be sober in, in, or excuse me, you cannot have a relapse in sobriety. If there's a relapse, it's the end of the world. It's cataclysmic. Like, holy cow. I just had a relapse and and I like to think of it. I've got a little stopwatch here. I like to think of it as the worth clock. So my worth clock starts. And it, it's just, it just starts running, right? So the worth clock is running, and as the worth clock runs, we believe that, you know, I am worth one week of sobriety, or I am worth two months of sobriety, or maybe even a year. And that's my worth. My worth is tied to this clock that says, how long did I go from my last relapse? and then all of a sudden, oops, we
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Hmm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:And then all of a sudden my worth goes from whatever it was back to zero. And, and that sobriety is the time between that recovery. Recovery, you can actually be grateful for your relapses. And I know that goes against all conventional thought. Like every program is like, wait, no, no, no. Relapse is the worst thing that can ever happen to you. It's the, you know, that's the, you have to get rid of all relapses forever. it's, it's an irony. It's a paradox because when they're focused on the relapse, they're not focused the heart and, in recovery, you can actually relapse. You can relapse in recovery. You can't relapse in sobriety. here's the difference. Here's the big difference in how God and Christ plays into this is that when, when I relapse. I can actually get on my knees thank God for the relapse because I know
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. I'm like, what,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:it's like, wait, wait,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:wait,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:you just
_1_12-21-2024_085139:wait.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:thankful for the relapse. what are you crazy?
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. I'm like, Oh, what?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:And here's why. Here's why you can be thankful is because every relapse. Is God taking, taking a map of my soul, taking a map of your soul and putting a pin in the exact location he wants you to drive to right now, right now and start digging. And it's not a 20, 30 mile radius. It's not this ambiguous, Hey, be better. I'm going to put that in air quotes, be better. And you're like, Oh, where do I go to be better? No, he gave me the exact location that says. here right now and start digging, dig up that skeleton that I need you to dig up because I need you to be better. I need you to come unto me. I need you to be like me. That's what the purpose of this whole life is. And I'm giving you the exact way to get there. And for that, for that, we can always be thankful. And I'm not saying we're thankful for the pornography because no, pornography is destructed to the family, destructed brain. is destructive, but what we can be thankful is the message that came with it. The message that says, God needs me to drive right here. This is the pin in my map and dig up that skeleton so that it's no longer in the graveyard of my soul. And, and the beautiful part of that that when we do that, no longer trapped in the shame spiral. Like happens. I've heard, I can't even tell you how many stories of men that will say, You know, I was sober for a year or maybe even two years or, you know, this, whatever period of time. And then I relapsed. And they said, what happens after that? Well, then I'm like, well, it's an all or nothing, you know, I, I'm either all sober or I'm, I'm not. And you know what? I relapsed. So going to have to talk and tell my wife anyway, so why not do it another 10 times or 50 times or, and they get into the spiral of, of shame, this shame spiral and with re with recovery, a relapse happens once. Because then we're driving to that spot in our soul to do the digging and we exchange our shame for shovels and we start digging we start to understand what's in our soul and it's not a spiral. A relapse happens once when someone is in recovery, and then they dig it up. And then the very next time that exact situation happens and the situation, maybe your spouse or girlfriend, um, is, you know, is mad at you or threatens to leave you or, you know, or you lose your job or there's financial pressures or any of these triggers can be happening. you're, and it's, it's, Like this deep sigh of relief. Like, you know what already dug up that skeleton. I don't need to go there again. I'm okay. I'm okay.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:That's so beautiful. I just think about whatever. I think as Christians, we can do this with anything.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:can,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:can, we can go into spirals of shame about anything, really. Any bad habit. Any bad mistake.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. And it's fascinating. If you look at the research, um, Brené Brown, as well as the university out of Sweden, they, they flipped the research on its head. Up until about five, 10 years ago, every study that I've read said the guilt slash shame study. So guilt and shame as if they were one entity, that's how well shame masquerades as guilt, how shame counterfeits guilt. is beautiful, healthy, important. Shame is the lowest frequency we can fill. It's the lowest frequency emotion that we can fill. And so this study. They said, okay, what is the effect of shame? And there's a direct correlation from shame into bullying, suicidal ideation, addiction, criminal behavior. There's a direct path from shame into these things.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:But for the first time when they flipped it and said, well, what about guilt? What about guilt? And they found it was so beautiful. found that guilt is a direct path.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Mm.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:is a direct path in. Guilt is a direct path out and when we can understand why guilt is beautiful, why guilt is healthy, how guilt is serving us, we can understand that there is hope that through that, through that process of change that Christ offers us, we can find that and guilt actually comes from an old English word. In the 1300s called Gildan and Gildan means to make whole repay. The feeling of guilt is not the feeling of I suck. The feeling of guilt is the feeling of, I need to repay. I have a motivation to make someone whole and that someone may be myself. That someone may be me, but I have this desire to make whole and guilt is such an amazing emotion because it cleanses, it us to a better place. And shame is the opposite. Guilt says I did something wrong. Shame says I am wrong. Guilt says I made a mistake. Shame says my whole existence is a mistake and that's why it's so damaging.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:I just, man, we need to talk another hour, brother, about shame and guilt, man, because as a teacher of youth, I'm like, how do I do this without inducing shame? I don't want to go on that path right now. But I mean, that's, what's running through my mind is like, how do I create a shame free environment where I can teach the gospel of Jesus Christ and help youth who are really doing a great job, but sometimes, but they got weaknesses. We all do.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yes.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Sometimes youth will quit the race because of little mistakes or sometimes big, but a big mistake is a 14 year old is still tiny in the long run of things. You know what I mean?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Right.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:I mean, like you're 14. Uh, I mean. So I'm not trying to minimize sin, but I do want to get rid of this. And every, every time I listen to you, Clint, I'm just like, man, I'm so inspired. So let me ask the obvious question. What have you seen as you've worked with some of these processes and help people turn to Christ and, and use the relapse to go, let's dig in your soul and go to Christ. Can't wait to learn about that more. What have you seen in people's lives?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah. One of the big things is, is that hope is the unshackling um, we've done this at different retreats and other things and, it doesn't have to be a life sentence. It doesn't,
_1_12-21-2024_085139:I love that.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:it's this unshackling. And the, the image that I have in my mind is that Sobriety is every morning strapping on the driving gloves, grabbing the steering wheel and going a hundred miles an hour around these mountain curves. Like just, you know, white knuckling and you're just holding on and you're screeching around the tire, drifting through these, these mountain passes. And there's a thousand foot cliff on the other side of this road, right? and all the other programs, they say, okay, let's put up the filters and how many hymns can you sing and all of these band aid solutions that don't get to the heart of the issue so that we can put up barriers as you're screeching around the corner, we're going to put up barriers to hopefully prevent you from sliding off the edge and, um, and guaranteed. There's going to be a corner. You're not going to, you're not going to make, and you're going to crash right through and straight down off the cliff. And that's, that's the sobriety, the recovery. We changed the game. We, we changed the entire game. Recovery is driving in Iowa where the entire elevation of the state is like 200 feet. And, and the, you know, it's a straight road. There's corn on each side and that's the road we're driving on in recovery.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Uh, Uh, Uh, Uh, Uh,
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:no more desire to be To do the behavior, and that's one phrase you'll see in the scriptures often is that God blessed them with no more desire to do sin. No more desire to do evil. And that's what we're talking about is we're getting rid of the desire. We've talked very little about the behavior. We talk about the desire for the behavior.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Uh.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:that, there's so much hope. So we take the program and we go through guilt versus shame. We go through pain versus misery to understand pain in our lives and why, why we have pain. What is the purpose of pain? We talk about love versus lust. And, and this one, this one took me a full two years of research to really understand. Um, but we, Dive into what is love and what isn't love. What is lust and how can we recognize that and get lust out of our lives? Then we, we talk about, um, that we've, we've talked about is, is kind versus nice. It turns out that there's a correlation between men with the struggle with pornography and the nice guy syndrome. are a lot of nice guys that struggle with pornography. And we dive into each one of these week after week for eight weeks. at the end of it, get to be free. We get to be unshackled. We get to find the hope that, that this is not a life sentence, that this can be cleansed because Christ, all of our sins, all of the things that, that are vexing us can be taken. We just have to be willing to believe. And when we do, and when we put in the work, he takes it from us.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Wow. You've done some seven day retreats. What have you seen in men's lives who have gone on some of those retreats with you?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:That's been incredible because the effect is that. one week's period of time, these men can be done for good. After struggling for decades, of the daily struggle. And that's so exhausting, John. It's so exhausting every day for decades, struggling with this. And then to be completely free, to shake off the chains, off the chains that hold them bound and be completely free. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing is because there is hope. There is the ability to do that. And we have to believe that we're not addicts, that we're children of God and that we have a savior can cleanse us.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:So, tell us about your next class.
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:It's going to be on January 8th, in Orem, uh, starting, we do, we meet once a week and then throughout the week, there's daily activities that we do. the class goes from, um, 6 to 9 every week. you know, I think about Christmas time. I don't think there's a better gift that you could give yourself than being free, being unshackled from, from this, finding that peace, that freedom, that hope that what a wonderful gift. to give yourself. so it's, yeah, it's sponsored. There's a amazing company called tax hive that is, is helping us with the location and, and the, I love you bro project actually has agreed to, sponsor a participant already. And so it's, It's amazing. We've got guest speakers, like world renowned guest speakers coming in every single week to, to share with us their knowledge and insight. And, people like Todd Sylvester, he runs one of the top 100 mental health. Podcasts in the world and, he's coming. We've got experts, from out of state, like it's, it's an amazing program. And, we put in the work. That's one thing I'll say is we put in the work because change requires work. um, and we change our beliefs. We totally reframe the conversation. And so, um, yeah, it's every week starting January 8th for eight weeks.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:And, if somebody's listening out of the state of Utah, what, how can they find some more information with these concepts, or is that something down the road?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah, yeah. The best place to go is counterfeit emotions dot com and also our Facebook group. We've got a really active Facebook group. Um, it's fun because you're part of the Facebook group, you'll be you'll have the opportunity to read the pre read the transcripts of the book before the book comes out. Um, so, but counterfeit emotions dot com is, is one of the best places to go. The Facebook group is also a great place to go. They can reach out to me directly. yeah.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Where would, where would you like them to reach out to you?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:yeah, the, you want to schedule a call about the program, you can go to. To counterfeit emotions. com. I'll, I'll put the link on there. There's a big, big fat banner across the top of the homepage that talks about it. Um, and then you can schedule a call, put it directly on my calendar, um, to, to schedule a call. Um, feel free to link, reach out on LinkedIn as well. And message me there. Um, I, I get my, all my own messages. So happy to look at that.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Last, let's end with, Why Jesus Christ gives hopes hopes. I like that plural plural Why does Jesus Christ give plural hopes to those who are struggling with any kind of addiction?
curtis-morley---counterfeit-emotions_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah, it's, oh, it's so interesting because this, this life is not about perfection, it's about the journey. It's not about being one thing or another. about becoming, that we're not commanded to be perfect. We're commanded to surrender our will to His, to be perfected. And let Him do His job, and stop denying His grace. Let Him do His job. Give our will to Him. And when we do, John, I promise, He will take us where we need to go. And sometimes, where we need to go, It might be a little uncomfortable. It may even hurt. I know that's where I had to go in my life was to a place of some really great pain. And yet knew exactly that's where Curtis Morley needed to go. And he may do it again. may bring that pain again and that's okay because I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing right now. If it weren't for that pain, I wouldn't be in the place that I'm at without that pain. And so for that pain, I'm so grateful for that pain, because I know I can give my, my pain Christ.
_1_12-21-2024_085139:Yeah, that's awesome, man Jesus Christ offers. Hope what a beautiful testimony brother. Thank you for coming on today I want to encourage everybody to have a great walk with the Savior and Turn to the Savior in our struggles and our challenges and have a great day everybody