How do find purpose in my life? (Feat. Dustin Peterson) - EP 127

On this episode of Walking with the Savior, host John interviews leadership trainer and career coach Dustin Peterson, author of Meant for More, about discovering a unique, God-given life purpose. Dustin shares his longtime struggle to find purpose, explains why he believes everyone has a specific purpose, and distinguishes purpose (outward-focused contribution) from goals (often self-focused and short-term), using examples and analogies. 

They discuss the “purpose deficit,” how purpose fuels motivation, resilience, and wellbeing, and why retirement without purpose can feel empty. Dustin teaches how to craft a memorable purpose statement in 10 words or less and helps John refine his own. They also address helping teenagers find purpose through forward-looking questions and connect purpose to Jesus Christ’s teachings to love God and others.

Dustin Peterson's book is available now on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Meant-More-Waking-Life-Were/dp/1462150438

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00:00 Welcome and Tacos
01:56 Meet Dustin and His Book
04:58 Why Purpose Matters
06:56 Extrinsic vs Intrinsic Drive
09:40 Do You Have a Unique Purpose
11:45 The Purpose Deficit
13:26 Purpose vs Goals Explained
20:29 Purpose Outcomes and Power
23:28 Purpose Statement in 3 Words
25:49 10 Words or Less Rule
28:20 Crafting John's Purpose Live
30:22 Ten Word Purpose
32:48 Book Title Teaser
33:56 Journey Map Exercise
35:40 Purpose Questions Youth
38:14 Eulogy Vision Resilience
42:33 Purpose And Risk Choices
43:51 Turning To Jesus
48:28 Scripture Study Listening
50:09 Jonah Fear And Action
56:11 Purpose Statements Examples
58:04 Rapid Fire Wrap Up
01:01:33 Final Blessing Outro

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

What should I do with my life? I call it the universal question because it's the one question every person eventually asks. The search for meaning is universal. We long to know that our lives are part of a bigger story, that we aren't just wandering through random events, but are part of a divine plan. We wonder if we have unique, specific, and individual purposes, something meant for just us.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

You're awesome, you're amazing, you're for everything.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Welcome everybody to this week's episode of Walking with the Savior Podcast. I'm so excited to have you because I got an amazing guest talking about an amazing topic. Now, we always talk about Jesus, and that's the big topic, but today we're talking about finding our purpose. What is my purpose? And I brought on the purpose expert, Dustin Peterson. Dustin, so thankful that you joined us today. Uh, where are you where are you at, first of all?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Thanks, John. Grateful to uh be on the podcast today. I'm cut I'm coming to you from Houston, Texas, hot, sunny Houston, Texas today. And uh, you know, I will say, John, you said in the preparatory notes for this call today that that it's just two guys talking about Jesus eating tacos. Where's my tacos, man? I don't have any. I was waiting for the DoorDash to knock on the door. I figured you would order them for us.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

Dude, that is that's next level. I gotta do that for my next guest. I'm gonna order them some tacos. That and you know, tacos, I really I mean, I grew up with tacos, but my time in Texas has spent a couple years there on my mission in San Antonio and oh yeah, man, tacos are my heaven.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Yeah, yeah, you haven't you haven't had a good tacos since, guaranteed. We know we know we know how to make them in Texas. I don't know if they make them real well where you are.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Yeah, Utah's not known for its tacos, but I have done uh a few humanitarian trips to Mexico. And I tell people I go down there, I tell my kids, excuse me. I tell my kids I go down, let's go down there and serve some people, but I'm really going for the tacos and any chance I get 100%. Any chance I get, I'm sneaking off and go grab some tacos. I'm like, hey guys, I gotta go get some nails over at the hardware shop. Two hours later, I come back with a full belly and some for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

I'm I'm right there with you.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

Now, Dustin, how did you get into this book? Um, first of all, just tell us about your book. Introduce it. I'll let you do that a little bit and then tell us how you got into it.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah, let me give you a little background. So um again, live in Houston with my wife and uh kids, and um, I do leadership training and career coaching for a living. You know, there's not a major for that in college. And so I going back to my youth, struggled to figure out what to do with my life. I just was one of these people that walked the world wondering if I just happened to be the only person on earth that didn't have a purpose. I just I had this vision in my mind that somewhere along the line before we came to Earth, uh, there was a line of people, and you were standing in line to gather your purpose statement and then come down to Earth, and I missed the boat. I was getting tacos or using the restroom, and next thing you know, I showed up and I just felt like I kind of lacked that purpose throughout my whole youth. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my life or where I fit in the plan. And that really carried on into my uh early adulthood and and marriage, and I struggled to kind of figure out what to do with my life before having kind of an awakening moment where I discovered that I did have a really unique, singular purpose. And when I figured that out, I thought, wow, we've I've got to help other people figure this out. I've got to dedicate my life to helping people find out what their purpose is on earth. And so since then, since about 2004, this has just been what I've been focused on about 22 years now, is just trying to help people identify their talents, identify their purpose, and recognize that they're unique. So that's what kind of brought on the book, which published in January, Meant for More, uh, trying to help people discover that God-given purpose.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Yeah, I love the title, Meant for More. How did you come up with that? How'd you land at that?

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, I kind of vacillated a lot. You know, I didn't want the word purpose in it because people, when they hear purpose, sometimes they turn off or shut down, maybe out of discouragement and frustration that they haven't been able to identify theirs. It's a bit cliche these days. People talk a lot about passion and purpose, and a lot of people have strong opinions about that. So I really um, you know, it's bigger than that. It's bigger than purpose. And I thought, you know, every person on this planet is made for something great. And so for a while there, that was the title of the book, made for something great. And then it was made for more. And then I thought, you know, it's not really about being made for more, it's about being meant for more. There's something bigger than what you're doing. And I wanted people to recognize that, you know, the day-to-day routine we get caught in, the grind, whether you're 13 or 30, um, is not your purpose on earth. It's just a it's just a manifestation of it. So meant for more really kind of emerged and has a nice ring to it's a little bit sticky. So we rolled with it.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Awesome. I love it. Now, what you're talking about is is so true. Like going through the just the you we can just get in this just routine. And then before we know it, like years have gone by and you're like, what, what, what, what am I, what am I doing?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

That kind of hit me in COVID. It really did.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Uh you know, it did a lot of people. It did for me as well. You know, not nothing wakes you up like um being quarantined at home for weeks and months on end and asking yourself, like, wow, what am like, what am I supposed to be doing with all this time? At first it's enjoyable, it's leisurely, it's relaxing. But after a few weeks, people start getting the itch and they're like, I man, I need to contribute something to the world. And I think that's that kind of inborn characteristic from from God that says, I need you to contribute. Like, I need the parable of the talents, I need you to go and and magnify what I've given you. I just think people have this innate desire to do something to benefit humankind. And uh, and when that lies dormant, um, it bothers us. We feel that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Yeah, I almost feel like we get grown up, growing up, we get taught the purpose of life is to retire.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 7:02

The purpose of light is is to get set, you know. Like we used to say stuff like, Oh, you get that job, you're set for life, you know. And then you just write off on the uh uh the the curtails of whatever job it was. Um but man, it's missing something now. Like I'm I'm 55, so I'm getting close to that retirement thing, and it's like I don't want to retire to nothing, I gotta have something. And as a that's what triggered this podcast, some of the coaching stuff I'm doing is like, yeah, I if you die, if you retire, excuse me, if you retire without a purpose, you're just beginning the death process, I believe.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

You know, it's true, yeah. It's brutal. You know, it's interesting that I really wrote this book. Honestly, people ask me what motivates you to write it. I wrote it for myself when I was 16 years old. I wrote the book for me. It's it's a message, it's a letter in a bottle to me when I was 16 years old, 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

That is so deep.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

You know what's fascinating about it is that the people that um are most motivated by the book are uh people in their 50s and 60s. This is this is who comes to me and they say, Hey, what's my purpose? And I think that's because of what you just said, John, which is from an early age, uh we become solely focused on what I call extrinsic motivation, which is grades and um achievement and you know, graduating and a major and a job and a salary and a career path. And we're kind of taught and socialized and told that this is your purpose. Your purpose is to go figure this stuff out and make money. And somewhere around the 30s, 40s, somewhere in that range, we start to get a little bit discontent, realize it's not enough. Like those extrinsic motivators don't last. They've got a short shelf life. And when that happens, we start to kind of look internally instead of externally and ask ourselves, what am I doing? What am I contributing? What is my purpose? What is my legacy? I think that's why the 50s and 60s and 70s people come to me and say, Hey, I don't really need that. I'm not working for money anymore, not working for title, not working for prestige or recognition. I I want to I want to create change. And that seems to be the audience that's most inspired to kind of be ready to do that.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

I want to create change. Now, in the beginning of your book, you said this. Um this is kind of like the introduction, the search for meaning. You say, What should I do with my life? I call it the universal question because it's the one question every person eventually asks. And what you're saying here is some of the it seems like it's hitting people 50, 60, 70. You continue on, but it's closely related to why am I here? Whether it surfaces during a quiet walk, a late night worry session, a personal loss, or a major life decision, that the search for meaning is universal. We long to know that our lives are part of a bigger story, that we aren't just wandering through random events, but are part of a divine plan. We wonder if we have unique, specific, and individual purposes, something meant for just us.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Couple things I think that are important there, John, that I want to zoom in on. The first one is I want I want to be clear. Although the people that really come to me are in their 50s, 60s, and 70s, I do believe that the 13-year-old today is sitting quietly in their room asking themselves, do I have a purpose? I think the 20-year-old is doing it. I just think that we're maybe not yet um we're too fearful and maybe not courageous enough to externalize it. You know, when I um when I started trying to really figure out what to do with my life, I went through what I call that season of exploration where anybody that I came across, I would ask them the same questions. What do you do for a living? Why do you do it? How did you get there? And if I were to want to do it, what would I need to do? I was trying to figure out what I should do with my life. And you know, I found a fascinating thing as I went out to all these people that seemed really successful and really kind of purposeful and started asking them, what do you do and why? You know what I found is more often than not, John, that people would get a little bit squirrely and they'd get kind of quiet, like hushed tones, and they'd be like, Hey man, I don't actually know what I'm doing. I have no idea. And it rocked my world because I was like 24, 25 at the time. And I thought these people had it figured out. I'm asking 35, 40 year olds who have deep in their career paths, lawyers and oil and gas and accountants, and almost every one of them was like, I don't have any clue what I'm doing. Like, I don't know how I got here. Like, why? I I think everybody is struggling to know exactly what you said at the end. Do I have a unique purpose? Sure, we all have a purpose. Our purpose is to become like God and live a Christ-like life, but but do I have something more unique to me than that? Or am I just supposed to be on earth and contribute generally? I think people are wondering. And my answer today on this podcast is absolutely unequivocally yes. You, every one of you has a very specific, unique purpose.

SPEAKER_03 12:29

Now, this reminds me to a part of your book where you call it the purpose deficit. Where the impact of not knowing your purpose. Uh, can you talk a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah, for sure. So um, one of the really great things about purpose is that it's motivating. It's got it's got a motivating uh factor to it. When you know your purpose, it energizes you. You feel on fire, you're electric. That's why you've got so much energy, John. I mean, you're like bottled up energy, man. And the reason why is because you're living in your purpose.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Um, the same is true of the opposite. You know, when we don't know our purpose and we wander, we start to flounder and languish, and we start to feel flat. Things start to be really routine, you start to lose motivation and energy. Um, and what I notice for me personally is I'm just not as good of a husband and father. I'm less patient, I'm less forgiving, I'm more judgy. I just uh, I don't know, I just become um a little bit of a curmudgeon when I start to drift from my purpose. And the reason why, John, is because purpose is outward focused. It's always focused on other people. And and the opposite of that is to be inward focused. And when I'm only focused on me and myself and what's going on inside me, then I just become kind of not fun to be around. So there is a deficit uh across society, I believe, of people that are purposeful and living in that intentional place for sure. And uh and I think it leads to a lot of negative outcomes.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

So we talk, and I think society talks a lot about goals.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

And and but goals seem to be different than purpose. And goals, I I think I think if we set up goals without purpose, and sometimes we give goals in the and we say stuff like this, well, you want to get a job someday, don't you? Oh, that's inspiring. Or or you know, you you don't want to be homeless, do you? Or you know, you want to take care of your kids, don't you? And those are there's kind of like uh, you know, that's not really moving the dial. How does purpose differ from goals? And why do you think it's important to add purpose to our goals?

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Yeah, this is important, and I'm glad you brought it up. So, purpose, let's just clarify a couple of definitions. Purpose is this desire or intention to contribute to the well-being of other people. It comes from Angela Duckworth. She's a writer and a psychologist. And I love the definition. Grit, yeah. She says it's the intention. Think about that, the intention to contribute to the well-being of other people. Purpose is always outward focused. It's always big and idealistic and hard to achieve in a lifetime. That's what makes purpose so motivating. When you know your purpose and your purpose is so big you can't achieve it in a lifetime, it keeps you driving forward. Goals, on the other hand, are not always outward focused. Oftentimes they're self-focused. And uh and they oftentimes um are short-term. You can have long-term goals. But let me just give you a real life example. I was working with a young guy one time. He's uh in his early 20s, trying to help him identify his life purpose. And he went off and did some research, and he came back to me. He said, Okay, Dustin, I think I got my purpose. I said, Oh, great, what is it? He said, My purpose is to amass knowledge. I was like, okay, tell me more. He's like, I just want to gain tons of knowledge. I was like, wow. So you're like like omniscience, like you just want to know everything. He's like, Yeah, man, I just want to know everything. I said, Okay, I want to push you a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

Was this before AI? Or he's like, I want to be the first AI.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Yeah, this is the godfather of AI, right? Yeah, yeah, seriously. And uh, and so I pushed on a little bit and I said, you know, um, why do you want to do that? Like, you just want to become all-knowing? Like, what like why do you want to do that? He said, No, no, no. I want to amass knowledge so I can help other people and lift them from where they are to the where they want to be. I said, dude, that's your purpose. Your purpose is to amass knowledge, to lift other people from where they are to where they want to go. The minute you said that, it became a purpose. Until that, it became a goal. Because purpose is other focused, it's about benefiting society. So, you know, people can say, I have a goal to lose 20 pounds, I have a goal to make $10,000. That's great. But guess what? The moment you achieve that goal, it will cease to motivate. The minute you achieve it, the second you lose that 20th pound, the motivation disappears. It's it's psychology. Purpose, on the other hand, is bigger, broader, more idealistic, and therefore more motivating. So goals and purpose are different, but both are important. You know, when I set my when I identify my purpose, the very next step is to start to set goals. One of my goals was to publish men for more. That was a goal. But it leads to my purpose, which is to help other people discover their purpose.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Wow. It just seems like the other thing that purpose does is it adds fuel to the fire. And we think, oh, I want to, you know, I want to be a millionaire someday. But that's not a purpose, there's a goal. And and it's really kind of some people are more motivated by money than others, but uh it really I I use this analogy, and I'm feeling like I need to share it today. I use this analogy with a guy. He like uh is a big business guy, and he did corporate and corporate finance and corporate investing and stuff, and he cut back and he's like, I want to connect more one-on-one with people. And so he sold part of his business, cut things back, and he's like, Yeah, I'm taking a little bit of pay cut, but I feel like it's more people. And I use this analogy with him. I said, Well, I said, Do you hike mountains? He said, Yes. I said, You ever run a marathon? He said, Yes. All right, let me tell you an analogy. Let's see if we can make this fit here, all right? Because I said, Um, let's imagine you hike the top of a mountain, you get to the top, and then you get up there and you like start looking around, and you're like, Oh, shoot, I I love my family way back there. And um, I'm up there at the top of the mountain by myself. And it's like, how does that feel? Like, it's thrilling that you climb the top of that mountain, but not having somebody to share it with, it's like something's just missing. You might even take a picture and say, I want to show this to people about what it's like to be on the top of the mountain. If you get to the top of that peak and you have nobody with you, you're gonna feel empty and lonely. And then I said, Let's compare that to running a marathon where you're surrounded by tons of people. And as you're running, you got friends on the sideline who are cheering you on, saying, Dustin, you got this, man. You're amazing, you're doing great, keep going, you know, and then and then uh as you get closer to the finish, more people start cheering you on. And when you get to that finish line and you cross the finish line, there's family and friends ready to embrace you. And that is like I how does this fit, Dustin?

SPEAKER_00 20:02

That's the goal. That's the goals versus the purpose, right? That's the goals versus the purpose. Yeah, the hike up the hike up the mountaintop is the goal, right? It's I I've got this goal, I'm gonna achieve it with or without people, I'm gonna make this thing happen. Purpose is the marathon. Purpose is the, I'm gonna bring as many people along with me as I can, and we're gonna finish this thing together. It's gonna be more motivating and it's gonna benefit humankind in some way. This is this is critical. And you know, the the audience I struggle the most to teach this to is youth, young people and young adults, because, and I get it, I was one, and um you're in survival mode. You're like, I need to make money, I need to provide a living, and all that is true, but it's not an either or. It's not that I can either go make money or live a purpose, purposeful life. It's both and and just trying to help uh young adults let go of exactly what you started this conversation with, which is the million-dollar thing. I just need to go make a million dollars. I'm like, yeah, sure, fine. Go make a million dollars. I don't care, but do it with purpose and do it in alignment with who you are, not at the expense of who you are.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Now I gotta I gotta just share some outcomes that you have in, I think it's chapter two, but it might be chapter two.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

It's wild, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

Is this wild? You wrote, in fact, purpose has been associated with some pretty incredible outcomes. People who know their purpose quadruple the likelihood of being engaged at work, live up to seven years longer, experience a forty-two percent increase in happiness, have better quality sleep, have improved impulse control, are able to stave off depression, reduce their mortality rate by twenty three percent.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

And I read the other day that people with a purpose are one hundred and twenty five percent more likely to. Get a flu shot. Because when you live with your per when you have a purpose, you want to preserve life, you go get a flu shot. Yeah, all those are true. You know, when you have a sense of purpose, it keeps you from, you know, you can stave off depression. You have more impulse control. You don't eat that uh bowl of ice cream right before bed because it's gonna conflict with your life purpose. You know, you've got a little bit more self-discipline. Uh, purpose is a powerful thing, it's motivating. You actually said at the beginning of the podcast, and I you said it in passing, but it's true. If you retire without a purpose, you're just starting your journey toward death. And that may sound dark or morose or heavy, but it's true. You know, I hear of so many people that um that drive toward retirement, retire, and then within a year or two, they're just like, I am like losing my mind. Like what? I I don't know, I have no purpose. Like, where do I focus my energy? And so you're right, it's it's critical, and and purpose is powerful. It's power, it's very powerful.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

You go on to say, purpose motivates you when circumstances seem overwhelming, when your schedule is maxed out, your energy is depleted, and the pressure feels unbearable. Purpose can give you a reason to keep going. You don't move forward because it's easy. You move forward because you know you're called. When the why is clear, you can find the strength to face the how. Purpose lifts your eyes from the mess and fixes the fixes them on the mission. Purpose lifts you when disappointment threatens to drown out your spirit. Let's say you pour yourself into something, a relationship, a project, a dream, and it doesn't work out the way you'd hoped. The door closes, the silence lingers. That's when purpose steps in. It whispers. This isn't the end. Even when the outcome falls short, purpose reminds you that your obedience still matters, your effort still counted, and your story isn't over. Well written, brother.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Thank you. Yeah, purpose is transcendent. That's the important takeaway. It's bigger than a job. It's not a job. I just, I really, it's important we make that distinction. Purpose is not a career, it's not a job, it's not a relationship, it's transcendent of those things. Let me maybe anchor this to make it a little bit more practical for people listening. Purpose, um, you know, my purpose statement that has guided me for the past 17 years since I figured it out is very simple. Magnify human potential. Three words. That's the reason I exist. That's what God put me on this earth to do. Magnify human potential. And every one of those words I mean with intention. Every one of them exists on purpose. I did the work to figure out that that's my three-word statement. So, what does that mean? It means that when I'm walking into a workshop or retreat with a client, I can center myself by saying, Dustin, whether this thing goes well or not, whether people are receptive or not, the outcome doesn't matter. The goal is to magnify people's potential. I want to take somebody in that room from where they are to where they could be. When I walk into a conversation with my son about basketball and he's struggling and he didn't, he maybe sitting the bench more than he should. The goal is not to be a full-time starter, go get a D1 scholarship and make it to the NBA. That might be his goal. The goal is to magnify his potential, is to take him from where he is, one step further than he was before. Purpose transcends. When you can identify your purpose statement, it's in your marriage, it's in your family, you apply it in your church service, you apply it in your career, in volunteerism. Everything I do is through that singular lens for me. That's what I'm challenging listeners to do. I want you to go do the work to figure out what is my purpose, and then how can it inform what I do, whether or not that thing succeeds or fails. I can't count the number of failures I've had. I've applied for things, I haven't gotten them. And guess what? It doesn't change the fact that I still exist to magnify human potential. So if I can't do it in that way, I'm gonna find another way. It's transitive.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

I love how you got it down to three words. Now, in your book, you talk about hey, I want you to have it less than 10 words. And I love this because I've got something written down on my mirror and I try to read it every day, but I don't got it memorized because it's probably 15 or 20 words. And in the book, you're like, put that thing down to 10 words or less. And I love yours three because you can just speak it to yourself all the time, and you can live from that purpose because you have it memorized, which I think is so vital and so important. So tell us why 10 words, what's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Yeah, it's the key, it's actually the key. So I had a guy reach out a while back. I was helping him with his purpose, and he sent me exactly what you described, but longer. It was his purpose narrative. Thing was like a page long. And I read the whole thing through, and it was so electric. It was exciting and motivating, and I could feel his authenticity just pouring out of every word, and it was very exciting for me. And then I folded it up and I said, Okay, so what is your purpose? And he's like, Yeah, my purpose is to um, let me think, find ways to wait, what was it? Uh, help people. Shoot, I can't remember. Was it to search? And I said, dude, what's the point? What's the point of having a massive purpose narrative that you can't remember, right? I want you to, I want your purpose to be short because um if you can't repeat it, it holds no power. The whole purpose of that statement is that when you wake up in the morning and you plant your feet on the carpet, you say, today I'm gonna blink. Heal wounded souls, magnify human potential, make big things small, expand vision, whatever your purpose is, I want you to say it. Because if it's if you can't repeat it, it doesn't hold power.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Boom! Right there. I love that line. If you can't repeat it, it does not hold power.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Yeah.

unknown 28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

So I would challenge you, John. Like you've got a, and by the way, let me be clear here. I'm not the purpose police. Like, I nobody gave me the badge. I don't get to go, I don't get to go to people and say, yep, sorry, your purpose doesn't pass the test. So, folks, if you want to have a 20-word purpose statement, do it. If you want to have a purpose narrative, far be it for some random guy on a podcast and tell you you can't do it. I'm just telling you though, purpose holds power when you can get it down to 10 words or less and you can say it. So you've got a 20-word purpose, you read on your mirror. My guess is you could probably get that thing down to a couple of words that just really tells you what you exist to do.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

Okay. And pause this. And do you already know what it would be? No, no, pause this right here. I'm gonna run and grab it. My editor can delete this. We are gonna Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

You go get it.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Okay, I'm back.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Okay, we're gonna do some real-time crafting. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

Okay, so I just ran and grabbed my purpose statement off the mirror. It says, My purpose is to provide inspiration so people can live their lives better and overcome their trials. Do good wherever I am, be a father who leads his family to do the same. Boom.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

So this is an important distinction, okay? And I think I talk about this in the book. If not, I certainly teach it in in sessions and workshops. Um, I borrow this concept from a guy named Simon Sinek. Um, start with the why. Everybody, a lot of people know this, have seen it. And he's got what he calls the golden circle. And he says that we, you know, then the middle of that circle is your why, and then it's your how, and then it's your what. And his proposal is the great organizations start with the why. They don't talk about the what, they talk about the why. For you, um the what would be a podcast, the what would be a class, the what would be a training video, the what is out here. The middle is your why, but what I would argue is that you've got maybe a little bit of your how woven in with your why, and that's why your statement is 20 words. And so I think, you know, if you could really start to back that statement out a little bit, I really think the first couple words are maybe the most important. So will you just read it again?

SPEAKER_03 30:35

My purpose is to provide inspiration so people can live their lives better and overcome their trust.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Just pause there. I think there's something here. Uh, I think that again, I'm not the purpose police, and I'm not gonna craft your your purpose, but but what do you exist to do? I'm just gonna take a word the word provide, and let's just say inspire. I exist to inspire people to what end say it again. I exist to provide people to uh provide inspiration.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

And overcome.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

There you go. I inspire people. Maybe it's to live better lives, maybe it's to overcome trials. Uh it's it could be both, but it's probably one or the other. The the two are probably related. But as I'm starting to think about your purpose statement, I could see a world where you wake up and say, John, today I am going to inspire people to overcome a trial. Period. I just in your mind, you picture somebody out there who's struggling with something, and you say, if I can do nothing more today than inspire that person to overcome that trial, we all win. What would you say though? What do you think is is that purpose statement if you had to really boil it down?

SPEAKER_03 31:59

I think I think that's spot on, to be honest. Not to try, I mean, that probably sounds like I'm whipping out, wimping out here and not thinking. But when I think about like the second one, which is do good wherever I am, uh be a father who leads his family to do the same, that falls under inspire people. There's something. That's the how.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

And your where and your who and all that's important.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

Do good wherever I am. Is that the is that uh the how?

SPEAKER_00 32:28

I think it is. I mean, I think it's part of it, but it's you know, only you can decide. But it to me, it just sounds like um look, this is this is what you do. You inspire people to live better lives and overcome trials. And by the way, that's about 10 words. And and you know, that's the kind of thing you can wake up in the morning and say, I inspire people to live better lives and overcome trials. That's exactly 10 words. That's powerful.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

And um the original, the original name of your book. That kind of resonated with me too. What was that again? I'm gonna write it down.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

The original, was it the made for made for more, made for something, that one or the one before that?

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Yeah, before at the beginning of the book, you as you were talking about how you settled on the name meant for more, you said there was another title you were thinking of for a while.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

It's it escaped me just now. I can't remember. You can have to go back and listen. That'll be a teaser. People can go back and listen to it. I had like five or six, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

It was it was like um okay. I yeah, I'll go back and listen to that. Thank you. Thank you, brother.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Yeah, go listen to your podcast.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Now, two things I want to do before we wrap this up. I want to talk about teenagers and I want to talk about Jesus. Which one should we do first?

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Let's let's talk teenagers first and then close out talking about Jesus. Yeah. Um, in the book, you know, I I propose an exercise to identify your purpose. It's called a journey map. And I have every client do this, and it's a super simple exercise. Listeners can do it right now. And what you do is pull out a piece of paper and a pen, and I want you to draw a line on that piece of paper that looks like a roller coaster ride. It's the ups and downs. And what that line represents are the highs and lows of your life. So on one edge of the paper is zero, age zero when I was born. On the other side of the paper is whatever your age is today. At the top of the paper is a 10 out of 10, at the bottom is a zero out of 10. And I want you just to plot the dots along your journey of those highs and lows of your life, and then connect the dots, and you're going to find a squiggly line that looks like a stock market ticker or a roller coaster ride. You know, the one thing I've found is that purpose more often than not emerges from the difficult moments in our life, those crucible moments, the lows of life, the things we want to bury and forget, actually hold some of the greatest secrets to your life purpose. Part of the reason why I exist to magnify human potential is because I've had so many moments where my potential was boxed up and not magnified, and I felt the pain of that. And I don't ever want anybody to feel what I felt. So my purpose is to go help other people do that. Um, the journey map is a powerful exercise, but only if you've got a lot of journey behind you. And so when I work with youth, I find that that journey line can get kind of short and maybe hasn't experienced a lot of ups and downs, right? You've probably seen this too, right? Yeah. So um, there's an answer for this. Bill Damon, who's a great psychologist around purpose out of Stanford, um, really focused a lot of his research on youth. And what he found is that instead of looking backward to identify purpose, you can actually look forward. And the way to do it is by simply asking a couple of questions that are just maybe a little different. So for our young listeners or maybe parents of youth, here are a couple of questions you might ask. Number one, what activities make you lose track of time? Like, where do you where do you find yourself kind of losing yourself? Uh, number two, what impact do you hope to make in the world? Number three, what problem feels especially energizing, motivating, or might make you angry and therefore moved to act on it? Like, I want to solve this problem in the world. Um, another one he talks about is what role models do you have specifically and what do you admire about them? And then a fifth one is if you could fast forward 50, 60, 70 years and look backward, what do you hope to have accomplished? Now, the key with those questions and really with the journey map exercise, John, is I've never met anybody that just sits by themselves in isolation and identifies their purpose through deep reflection. It's hard to do, it's always easier to talk it out. So you got to have somebody you can sit down with, a friend or a family member, and talk about it. Share your answers. And every year I do a workshop of about 100 teenagers who are trying to decide if they want to go into medicine. And I always have them write down their answers first. And then I have them pair up and tell each other the story, talk about the answers. What you find is that when people start talking about it, they get really passionate. And usually, if you push them enough, it's like the last 10 words they say. When you say, So why do you want to have that impact in the world? They say, I don't know. I guess I just don't want people to feel alone. Suddenly their purpose is I exist to help people never feel alone. That becomes their purpose, right? And so um, look, can you figure this out? I I just want to say this loud and clear. Yes, they can, because too many adults believe youth and young people can't figure this out. Well, they don't have enough life experience. Bull. They can do this. And we got to trust them and believe that they can.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Now, this reminds me of the funeral activity. I think it was in Covey's Seven Habits, but it might be.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

Right? Where he's like, he and and it sounds almost weird because you're a little gross, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Like crafting your eulogy, aren't you? Isn't that what they want isn't that what you want you to do? Kind of craft your eulogy or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

If I remember correct, it's something along the lines of, you know, you show up at a funeral and then you come to find out it's you that has passed away, and people are going to speak about your life. What do you want them to say about you? What do you want them to remember you for? What kind of person do you want to be? Do you want them to say your XYZ? And this has actually been a revelatory experience for me. This might sound weird, but there's been a few funerals that I've gone to, particularly older men, um, that kind of connects to me. Uh, like for example, a a grandpa in our ward passed away, and I I knew him uh very pretty well, and he was you know like 90, and you know, his family's there. And as I'm sitting there listening to the speeches, I'm like, man, that's the kind of man I want to be. You know, that's the man I want to be. I want to be like that. And it was like this inspiration uh that I gathered from this man's funeral. That's happened to me several times. As I get farther along in my life, more people die, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Yeah, that's true. It's had been true.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

But as I as I observe these funerals, I'm like really inspired by these men and want to be a better man. And I think that might be why you know Covey asked us to think about that is a great gain a sense, a vision of who we're trying to become, why we're trying to get there, and to gain our purpose. And it's interesting because as leaders of youth, we often talk to them about goals, but we leave that purpose out and that vision of uh what do you really want to do? This activity that you're pointing out in your book is fantastic. And if we can help them gain a sense of purpose, I think it ends a lot of those challenges that teenagers go through. Of course, the challenges are gonna still be there, but it that purpose gives and I can wake up tomorrow even though this didn't go well today, because I have purpose.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Yeah, purpose builds resilience, and that's that's true according to the research. You become more resilient, and that's because when you've got a bigger purpose, you can weather the failures. The reason why that eulogy activity is powerful is because almost never is somebody gonna write that they hope people will talk about what a successful, you know, business person they were. Like nobody's gonna sit down, and if you sit down with a 15-year-old and say, What's your eulogy gonna say at your funeral one day? I I doubt, I don't know, but I doubt they're gonna say he was a successful veterinarian who healed many animals with their aches and probably not, right? What it does is it forces you to focus on uh bigger uh characteristics, attributes, idealistic statements. That's where purpose lives. It's it's up in that kind of idealistic, motivating lens. And it's a great activity. And you're right, it is it is very similar, builds that resilience.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

And if you can uh if you can see this vision of and then and then just begin today. Yeah. Just act as if principle. Just like this is who I want to be, this kind, loving, caring family man. I come up from a broken home. Just act as if you're a kind, loving, caring man, you know, and just put it in action. And that's how it happens.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

It helps you it helps you start screening out things too, because when you know that purpose, you you aren't driven to do things that are counter to it. When you're having to make choices in your life, you stop and ask yourself, is this driving toward my purpose or not? And if not, why am I wasting time doing it? So yeah, it's a great tool.

SPEAKER_03 42:36

It really's got me asking a lot of questions. And maybe you've seen some research on this. I'm just wondering about research between a teenager who's got purpose and things like um the poor behaviors that sometimes teenagers and young college kids for that reason get caught up in with promiscuity, drugs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Have you seen it? Did you find any research on that?

SPEAKER_00 42:59

It's in my book, a little bit of it is, uh, Bill Damon, you know, the shocking statistic that's going to be maybe a little sad is that in his research of youth, he found that only approximately 20% of youth and his sample size could articulate anything close to a life purpose.

unknown 43:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 43:15

20%. That means 80% of our young people, 80% of our youth are wandering the world without a clear sense of purpose, either because they don't know that they have one or they don't have the desire to figure it out. But look, we know that when people know their purpose, they make better decisions. Uh, they they are more resilient and productive. Um, they are more successful. And so, you know, he argues, and I are I believe as well, that we've got to start this young. Like now is the time. And we've got to help our young people zoom out and think bigger, think bigger than the step right in front of them.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

Now let's steer this towards Jesus Christ. Russell M. Nelson said the Lord. Has more in mind for you than you have in mind for yourself. You have been reserved and preserved for this time and place. The Lord needs you to change the world. I'm gonna repeat that. The Lord needs you to change the world as you accept and follow his will for you, you will find yourself accomplishing the impossible.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

I love it. Isn't it so motivating? I know. I remember when he said that, and I just thought, wow, man, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Mic drop.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Mic total mic drop.

unknown 44:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

I just want to take through a few of these. The Lord has more in mind for you than you have in mind for yourself. And and think of where we've come in our lifetime with the the progress of the internet. Like I remember receiving a blessing when I was 15 years old. I talked about teaching and impacting lives through teaching. I had no idea that I'd someday be writing sharing a podcast. And it also said in there that I would be teaching people about Jesus Christ, testifying of him, and that as I did that, I would, you know, have greater happiness and joy. I can't, I don't got to the exact memorized thing, but but it was like teaching and Jesus Christ, man. And when I embrace that, like it's like I turn into the Hulk. But who would have thought when I was 15 years old 40 years ago? The concept of a podcast having haven't even it didn't even exist at all.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

True. True.

SPEAKER_03 45:54

It was not on anybody's radar. And but I believe Jesus knew. And I didn't believe Jesus had those plans all along. Now that's not my only purpose, right? That's a part of my how. But Jesus had a purpose a long time ago. Tell me what you think about Jesus' purpose life.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

I love your story, John, because if you had not identified your purpose and gotten clear about it, um, we wouldn't be having this podcast. You wouldn't be influencing people through trainings and videos, you wouldn't be teaching our youth on a regular basis about Jesus Christ. Uh you'd be off, you know, being you'd be an accountant somewhere or be uh constructing doing construction building buildings. And that's not bad, by the way. Those are great professions and great things, but but we would have missed out. We as a people would have missed out. The same is true for everybody that's listening to this podcast today. God's got something for you, and it's less about a destination and more about who you are becoming. God is is is more interested in your development than your destination. And if you will turn to him, everything about the Savior Jesus Christ is about helping us become more than we could ever become on our own. Think about what he did for us. He will reveal to us who we are, how he sees us. He will help us pick up the pieces when we fail and fall short. He will give us his grace and magnify our abilities. He will inspire us to do things like this podcast or write books or contribute in other ways. Everything about the Savior is about helping us become better than we could ever be on our own. And so, purpose is not something that should be identified in isolation or without thinking about the Savior Jesus Christ. He is the source of power, he's the source of light, he's the one that will illuminate the path for you and show you which direction you go if you have the faith to step into the darkness and find that it's lit a little way before you. So remember, um, it's all about the savior. He lived with purpose, he lived a life of purpose, he wants us to do the very same. And I and I fullhearted believe that.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

Now, in your book, you talk about taking time, pulling out a journal, and writing. And I like to supplement this, and I don't know if you talk about this in the book. So um I like to imagine when I do those activities of sitting there with the savior, kind of having this mental conversation. Like, what do you have to say about what do you have to say to me about my purpose? Um or or the other questions that you have in your book. I feel like, I don't know, do you talk about that or am I just throwing something out there?

SPEAKER_00 49:04

No, you're there. It's there. Yeah, it's there. Yeah, we need to we need we need to pause and listen and um and ask and find out what he has for us. The other thing we need to do is study his word through the lens of purpose, recognizing that every story in the scriptures is a story of purpose. You can read about Peter and find out how Peter, did Peter figure out his purpose? Absolutely. Uh, he went through the ups and downs. You can see his journey map play out. Did Ruth identify her purpose? Totally. Adam and Eve, they found it. Joseph, he's he found it in Egypt. And so as we read these stories, we need to read them alongside our Savior and ask, you know, what does this tell me about how to find my purpose? If we'll be quiet and listen, he'll tell us. Nothing that's happening in your life is happening by accident. I believe more often than not, God is putting things in our life that are driving us toward our individual, unique purpose. If we'll pick our head up and pay attention, he'll show us, he'll manifest it.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

Well, when I think back of what you're talking about, I also see in the scriptures this play on the human element where you see people who are like, Me? What the heck are you thinking, God?

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Totally. Yeah. So good. Oh, yeah, 100%, John. Almost always. This is important. Almost always when you discover your real purpose, your palms will sweat. And you'll be like, whoa, I'm not gonna do that. Who am I to do that? And I can't count the number of times that I've said, Who am I to write a book? Who am I to speak or talk? Who am I to give this lesson? Why me? And I've shirked it and I've shunned it and I've tried to hide from it, and you can't. Once you know you've got to do it, you know, like Joan and the whale, uh, you're gonna do it, or God's gonna send a whale to help you do it. So be careful figuring out your purpose because you're right, John. Uh, almost always there's this sense of me? You want me to live that large, to live that life? Yeah, it can be pretty unnerving.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

Yeah, I I just gotta highlight Jonah the whale, right? He he's running from his purpose. He's running from it. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I'm gonna get as far away from this call, this purpose as possible, and God's like, it ain't gonna work.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

No, you can you can go wherever you want to go, but whether he sends a whale or whether he just keeps you up night after night with this nagging feeling of dissonance, I promise you the Lord will not let you let you shirk that purpose. But here's the good news you also don't need to solve that purpose in one fell swoop with one activity. There's not one thing that you need to do to live that purpose. There are lots of little things. And so when you figure out your purpose, just you said it, John, just start living it. Just start living it. Wake up the next morning and do something a little different than you did the day before, that brings that into fruition. If my purpose is to magnify human potential, I can wake up tomorrow morning, I can sit with my son, and I can help him magnify his potential. If your purpose is to inspire people to overcome a trial, go find somebody with a trial and inspire them. Folks, as you're listening to this and thinking, gosh, my purpose feels so big. I want to love and lift people, or I want to break down barriers for people, or I want to go find somebody with a barrier, break it down. Go find somebody with a problem, lift them up. Purpose can be big, but the execution is small.

SPEAKER_03 52:49

What's coming to my mind is, and maybe once I found my purpose, or or really narrowed that down the last few years, the hows just exploded.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

They do, don't they? It's like the universe shifts to make it possible for you to start to do it. And it's almost like more opportunities than you can even do. You gotta be a bit selective. You're right, though.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

The house starts to explode. It kind of drives my wife nuts because I'm like, Yeah. She's like, You got another why you got another one thing at a time, John. She doesn't do that language, but she's just like, what about focusing on all the other things you're trying to do?

SPEAKER_00 53:33

Yeah, yeah. There there are infinite hows and whats to solve your why if you will take the time to figure it out for sure. Where most of us spend our lives, though, is we do a lot of what's and hows without a why. And and when you live a lot, when you do a lot of what's and hows on a daily basis with no sense of why, you feel like you're wandering, you feel scattered, you feel like you're all over the place, like there's no cohesion, there's no congruence. And so start with the why and then the hows and the what's. It'll bring some alignment to your life.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Now, I feel like the savior is this fountain of life that that uh really embeds in us uh a purpose when we come to him. Um how do you see that connected?

SPEAKER_00 54:28

You know, um the savior actually told us very simply in in the scriptures the per our purpose and it's love God and love our fellow man. And I think that's why researchers have figured out that purpose is always other focused. Now they don't recognize that it's actually a God thing, they think it's a research thing, but but purpose is always other focused because that's what Christ is about. He's about us focusing on other people, loving our fellow man and loving him. Uh, I I 100% believe that if you live your purpose, you will become more like the Savior Jesus Christ every day because you will be existing for others, serving, lifting, loving, strengthening, ministering, and doing exactly what he would do. Um, I think that for sure that God is all about purpose. Our Savior wants us to know it and live it and ultimately to be like he is and walk with him.

SPEAKER_03 55:35

Uh you know, I'd never thought of that as a purpose statement. Obviously, it's a commandment: love God, love your neighbor, but you've come to see that as purpose.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

It's purpose. Think about it. Ten words or less. Big, big idealistic statement, impossible to achieve in a lifetime, motivating. Uh it it can permeate everything.

SPEAKER_03 56:01

A million hows, a million why.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

A million hows and a million what's underneath it. And your and your specific why can, no matter what your why is, no matter what your why is, it can fit neatly underneath that that statement. You know, I've got a list here I'm looking at of some purpose statements people have come up with in the past. I exist to help others heal, I exist to bring hope, I exist to be a voice, I exist to rebuild and reinvent joy, to bring others upward and forward. These are actual statements from 18-year-old teenagers who've come up with purpose statements.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

18 year old teenagers said this.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

And I another one, I exist to minimize suffering. When you look at these purpose statements, I exist to fix things. Every one of these fits neatly under the savior's ultimate purpose, which is to love God and love our fellow man.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

Oh, give me some more of those. Those just give me how many more you got.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

I exist to help people get through tough times. Um, I exist to um bring hope to love and lift. Yeah, so many.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

Do you find it helpful to provide some samples like this for teenagers? And which one resonates with you?

SPEAKER_00 57:16

For sure. There's a bunch in my book, and uh, and when I present a session, I teach people what purpose is, I teach them uh how to discover it, I give them the questions, they quietly answer them to themselves, and then I show them a few examples of the target. Like, hey, here's what we're aiming for. Here's what this this phrase is probably gonna sound like or look like. And then I have them pair off and start sharing with their buddy, and I have them come back and say, okay, now I want you to take everything you just discussed with your friend, and I want you to boil it down to 10 words or less and look at these examples, which one resonates with you? And and they they always come up. I mean, John, these were from 18-year-olds that I'm reading off my my list here, and they came up with these on their own. I mean, these are just again, we can figure this out. They can do this if we will help them.

SPEAKER_03 58:03

That's magical. That truly is magical. All right. Well, what I like to do is I like to ask some quick questions, and these will be kind of used as kind of a promotional video, just kind of a two-minute, hey, this is Dustin Peterson. Um, and so I'm gonna ask you these questions. Don't worry about if you need to pause, you we can always snip out some some space. But just uh, you know, the first thought that comes to your mind is usually the best answer, and you're good at this, I can tell. So here we go. Uh what's a what's a promise you made to yourself that you try to keep?

SPEAKER_00 58:35

I try to keep the promise to myself that I will always live my purpose and not drift from it.

SPEAKER_03 58:44

When someone says your name in 50 years, what do you hope they they say?

SPEAKER_00 58:49

I hope they say that I was the kind of person that helped them to better know the savior.

SPEAKER_03 58:58

Ooh. If you could implant one idea into everyone's mind, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 59:07

You are unique. You have a specific purpose that is is for you, is about you, and God will help you find it.

SPEAKER_03 59:19

Hardest thing you've ever accomplished.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

The hardest thing I've ever accomplished is quieting the doubt and the fear that stopped me for a long time from trying to become who God wanted me to be, and embracing that purpose and that vision for me, and then making it happen through books and businesses and teaching and lecturing and helping other people. The best way you can overcome hard things in life is to get clear about who you are, uh the got the plan God has for you, and then lean into that with everything you have.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

How do you measure your life?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

I will know um I was successful in life if my children and my grandchildren and the people that were around me in my world were positively influenced and um and drew closer to the Savior Jesus Christ, became more like him.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:40

Now if you die, which we all eventually will do, and when you meet and when you meet God and he says, Well done, thou good and faithful servant, I love you. What do you hope he says next?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

I hope he says that I lived my life the way he intended me to live it, with intention and purpose, and to the benefit of my fellow man.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Thank you so much, Dustin. It's been a memorable interview, brother. Thanks, my friend. You're a man you're a man of God, and you inspire me, brother.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

You're so good at this. You've you've found the right calling, so keep leaning into it, my friend. I've really enjoyed this. This has been a great, great time.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

I love it, man. And to all our listeners out there, you have purpose, you have value, you are seen, you are known by the God in the heavens, and Jesus Christ wants to walk with you. Enjoy your walk with him this week. Until next week. Have a great week, everybody. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

Your future is bright when you walk with Christ.