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gonna be exploring what"},{"startTime":1478.089,"endTime":1481.539,"body":"kind of societal impact would it"},{"startTime":1478.089,"endTime":1481.539,"body":"actually have if we discovered that"},{"startTime":1481.539,"endTime":1482.999,"body":"we're not alone in the universe."},{"startTime":1483.449,"endTime":1484.699,"body":"Kind of the opposite of this episode, huh?"},{"startTime":1484.799,"endTime":1485.139,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1486.239,"endTime":1488.279,"body":"If that sounds interesting,"},{"startTime":1486.239,"endTime":1488.279,"body":"then join us next week."},{"startTime":1488.649,"endTime":1489.579,"body":"Thank you guys so much."},{"startTime":1489.879,"endTime":1490.029,"body":"Take"},{"startTime":1490.029,"endTime":1490.259,"body":"care."},{"startTime":1490.359,"endTime":1490.729,"body":"Bye-bye."}]}