Finding Right Relationship With the Land, the Masculine, & Power

Speaking your truth is on the line for a lot of people these days. 

When we first connected about this client session, there was a sense of grasping in Honeycutt’s energy field. The big question for him is, “Can I speak my truth and feel safe?” 

Part of what’s discussed is a very complex system of power over and power under. Power dynamics that were confused coupled with a need to relocate in order to survive. This is a reality many of our ancestors faced for all kinds of reasons.

In this case, the need to relocate was influenced by the creation of a new religion.

You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:

» have ancestors who relocated to survive

» want to feel safe to speak your truth

» know some of the family history

» also survived religious abuse 

» have unresolved anger

There are also themes of religious abuse, which many of my clients have experienced and survived. I know this will resonate and have the potential to bring deep healing to a lot of you.

This is our most complex episode yet. And yet it shows how constellation work allows you to easily free yourself, your ancestors, and your legacy to be in its own integrity with your own truth.

Until we meet again, may you receive all the love and blessings.

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Amy Babish:

Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love, and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you are meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast.

Amy Babish:

I'm your host, Amy Babish. And today we have Honeycutt, who I'm so excited to have our session with. He is. We were introduced by a mutual acquaintance and we met a little bit over a week ago or A week ago exactly. And I can't wait to see. We had our pre podcast chat, which is very short, brief. Um, I can't wait to see what his intention has evolved into and kind of what's been in his midst since we talked.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, Amy. It's. It's really wild. In our initial conversation and you asked intention feeling around within my system or my body of like, what it was I was trying to search or grasp for, for something. And you helped me kind of hone in that there was something around, like, my really being able to speak my truth and feel grounded. And since our, like, initial conversation, what has really opened up for me is this, this real deep intention or this real understanding awareness of, in my root, like, to be really rooted in my truth. I tend to want to really understand and feel solid on, like, on a solid foundation so I can speak my truth or speak my voice and what wants to come through. And so I feel like my intention has stayed very much in that line of coming to a place of, you know, this, this fear oftentimes that in my root that.

Honeycutt:

That maybe I was cut off from being able to speak my truth. And I'm at a place now where there's no perfect time but to really look at would I be ostracized or kicked out or demeaned or, you know, something around my own truth. And so I'm really curious. That is still my intention today is like, can I speak my truth and feel safe and can I root that into my reality?

Amy Babish:

And in the past, I love this. In the, in like throughout your life or in the recent past, do you feel like when, when you go to speak your truth, is it either not grounded or you feel the fear? What. Tell us, tell us what happens for you. Because I, I do have a sense that you can speak truth. But what, like, what's the lead up? What's the hesitation? What's the terror? What, what gets in the way?

Honeycutt:

Yeah, well, probably like for most of us, you know, it's rooted somewhere back in our childhood, you know, and. Yeah, and the really funny thing is, is I grew up in a Christian cult and they called it the truth. You know, they were like, we have the truth, so maybe there could be some stuff there because it was full of bs. So. But I think that in part that I had, I always knew my truth, but when I would speak it, it was being that that wasn't right. You can't say that or that's too much or that's too direct or, you know, I knew that it was going to go against what people's beliefs were or their characters beliefs, you know, like the programming that they were in. So I think that really started very young. And then as I started to move forward and really my spiritual journey or the work around, like leadership and being able to see the deeper, like I really focus on energy.

Honeycutt:

Like what's the energy behind it? Yes, maybe trauma at this one layer, but really we just have a manipulation in your system. But in speaking that and, and you know, people kind of look at like, what are you talking about? Or you can't say that I have trauma, so their own attachments. And then I'd be like, well, I don't know, like, it feels like my truth. But this is also not something I've really read somewhere else. This is something I know, like through my own journey where I've come to know. And so I think that that's where I've been testing and feeling. And then more lately as I've said stuff, it's like, oh, well, you can't say that, you know, kind of cancel culture.

Amy Babish:

Yep.

Honeycutt:

And. But I'm like, well, I think we should cancel culture if we really understood what culture is. And so, yeah, those are the times when I feel most cut off or when I'm feeling truth in somebody else or they're asked, like in relationship and I have to hold back because when I go to say something, then they're either triggered. And so more and more I've just like, if you're going to be triggered, you're going to be triggered. But this is the truth, or this is my truth. This is where I'm at. And so, yeah, I've had relationships that have long term relationships that have just ended because I've spoke my truth. And so that can feel isolating.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, this is, this is. I think a lot of listeners have many facets of what you're speaking about. And I also have a, like a certain percentage of my clients have left religious abuse or have experienced religious, religious abuse survivors. So I can hear, you know, this is going to resonate with a lot of people. And in these times that we're in speaking, our truth is on the line for a lot of people. So I think this is going to be of service for you, your lineage, your legacy, and the collective and all those who are listening and their communities too. So let's, let's dive in.

Honeycutt:

Okay, perfect.

Amy Babish:

So we're gonna just presence your intention again. And that's what we start with when we do constellation work and the intention of what creates the guardrails. Because there's many, many, many layers for all of us and all things. And this is the layer we're going to work on today about speaking your truth. So your intention is to speak your truth and feel grounded, open up to understanding, like in a very rooted way, like deep in your body. And that you're going to start to work through or face the entanglement around the fear of being cut off when you speak your truth, around being ostracized about being kicked out, around not feeling safe in your route. Do I have you correct?

Honeycutt:

Yeah, absolutely. Like, will I survive speaking my truth?

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I do constellation work, it's intentional. I don't usually type when I'm doing other work, but I'm taking dictation. And it's not just from you, but it's from your systemic field. So the ancestors are already starting to speak through you. So when we do the two, and then we're both going to close our eyes and you know yourself very well, you've done a lot of personal work. You're going to notice what happens in your physical body. You might get images, you might get, you might hear things.

Amy Babish:

And then we're going to report out on it.

Honeycutt:

Okay.

Amy Babish:

Can you let us know what you're experiencing? What's happening for you?

Honeycutt:

I feel right in my throat, my body's my head is moving and I'm feeling just nice and open. But the, the words that just came immediately is a call to action.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Okay. And our next layer, what we're going to do is you're going to present your mom behind your left shoulder, and you're going to present your dad behind your right shoulder. And you're going to ask them individually, do either of you carry this pattern? And did this pattern start with you?

Honeycutt:

I am. Will you what? The question again is, did either. Did this pattern start with them?

Amy Babish:

So we first asked them, do you carry this pattern, this pattern of fearing speaking your truth, fear of authorization, being kicked out for speaking your own truth, or, and. Or not feeling safe and not being able to survive when you speak your truth?

Honeycutt:

No.

Amy Babish:

Okay. No, for both of them?

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

Okay. So we're going to go back to. We're going to call up your four grandparents and we're gonna. We're gonna ask your grandparents, all four of them, do any of you carry a pattern of fearing speaking the truth, being ostracized or being kicked out or not surviving if you speak your truth?

Honeycutt:

No.

Amy Babish:

Okay. So we're gonna, we're gonna slow it down. And sometimes what happens in the. In the systemic field is that when something has been significantly omitted, and in this case, we would name that as speaking the truth, sometimes it is kind of like the metaphor of when you hear a tree, Will you hear a tree if it falls in the. In the woods and no one's around? And so we're gonna ask your systemic field to bring you to the ancestor who carries this pattern. And it might be someone that really doesn't seem familiar to you.

Honeycutt:

The. The only thing that came to me was Joseph P. String. I don't know. It's Strang is the last name.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And we'll. We'll ask him, do you carry this pattern?

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And then we're gonna ask him, did it start with you?

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And then we do a double check because we're in the field and, you know, you might not know this ancestor. And we don't have to know family history. When we do this work, we're going to ask him to show you his mother on his left shoulder and his father on his right shoulder. We don't know how far back that is, but we're going to ask those individuals, do you carry this pattern?

Honeycutt:

No.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Do you feel a sense. What do you notice in your body when you. When you ask them?

Honeycutt:

It's like a kind of a. Feels like a Weak connection. And. But I feel the rest. I feel like most of the ancestors are just like, this has nothing to do with us. This is all about you and your own truth.

Amy Babish:

So. So, and that's okay. They're. They're allowed, they're allowed to kind of chime in, in that way.

Honeycutt:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

When we, when we are sitting with you as the descendant, you carry the entanglement. And even if it's just one ancestor, you are feeling the almost what we call, like the lived experience of that one person. So even if all the other ancestors have different programming, they're clear that this is about you. You're still entangled with the, with the ancestor who carries the fear of being ostracized or who was.

Honeycutt:

He was ostracized.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. So. So we're gonna, we're gonna talk with him. Okay. Yeah. So we're going to ask the other ancestors to kind of. They can just witness and that this is an important conversation.

Amy Babish:

We're going to ask for that boundary with them. Yeah. Okay. So you can ask Joseph to Show you, or Mr. Strange, however he likes to be addressed. You're going to ask him to show you in his own way what was the context, what was happening in his life, his community, his system that led to him being ostracized. What was kind of like what was the series of events or the relationship or the context.

Honeycutt:

So the context is around receiving essentially spiritual truth or he. Like, what are you saying?

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

Part of me just being very upfront is a little confused because I know this story.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

But I'm also feeling connected to him right now, so I'm just. So it's like actually hearing it from him and not the passed down story?

Amy Babish:

Yes, yes, this is important. What layer of ancestor is he for you? Since you know about him, he would.

Honeycutt:

Be a great, great grandfather, I believe.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Okay. And so.

Honeycutt:

And go ahead.

Amy Babish:

Oh, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.

Honeycutt:

What he showed me was that he received an awareness or truth to. To him as well as another. Another man, both claiming to have received this individually. Two different perspectives interpreted. He chose his path, the other chose their path. The path that he chose was less. Was deemed. Was deemed by society and the greater good of essentially being the wrong.

Honeycutt:

The wrong path. What he, what he claimed. Let's see. This is all about a religious belief having to do with the LDs.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

At the time that the tablets were. The golden tablets were said to have been received. He was there, said that he also received them in this ceremony.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

But he chose the polygamist route and led Fractured off a group of followers and the polygamist followed him, and the rest followed the. He's not telling me the. The name of the one who said. Who he founded lds. Okay, whatever.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, the other. The other man.

Honeycutt:

The other man. It doesn't matter. But he's. But for him, it was his truth, but he was ostracized for his decision.

Amy Babish:

Okay, and when he was ostracized, what happened to his ability to speak his truth moving forward?

Honeycutt:

Well, his influence was far less than he had to hide the way he lived from society at that time because it wasn't acceptable.

Amy Babish:

Okay, and when he had to hide the way he lived, did he feel like he lived in shame or he had regret? Like, we want to understand what the. Something's not resolved.

Honeycutt:

He was pissed.

Amy Babish:

He was. He was angry. Okay, so something is unresolved for him, and that's part of the entanglement. It's not just that you don't feel safe in speaking your truth. There's something that he needs support around that I have a sense it's in how he felt. Even though he was clear, this is how I want to live my life. There's something. There's something not resolved for him, and I'm wanting him to share with you.

Amy Babish:

What else? Maybe he didn't even tell anyone else, but something that he struggled with or felt burdened by or confused by or angered by, that is living in your system and your actual life.

Honeycutt:

This. What. Like, I'm getting a little confused because it's like he is pointing stuff within me, but I'm not sure about all of that. But anyways, here's. Here's where. What I'm sensing, okay, is he felt sure that he. What he received was a divine message, okay. And felt he was making a decision that was best for him in his belief structures, even though it went against all of what society said.

Honeycutt:

So his. I think there was a question around, like, his. Like, did he make the right decision? He thought he did. Like, he thought he did because he thought he had received this divine message.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Okay. And is he trying to point out something in a way that feels helpful, or does it feel, like, accusatory with you?

Honeycutt:

No, he. It's like he's. If it feels like what I'm getting, what I feel from him is that it's okay. It's okay to. To speak your truth and to Also that it can change as you grow and become more aware. It's like never a perfect time to always speak. But at this point you can only speak what is your truth. It is for others to determine if it resonates or not.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so it sounds like he's giving you guidance.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, it, it's basically wrestling with God. You will have to wrestle with this with God.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

The internal. And to know that you are. Okay. Who you are and where you're at in your truth.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And so we're going to ask him, when he had to wrestle with God around being ostracized, what. What was that like for him?

Honeycutt:

Something around being too caught up in the power and influence versus his own truth.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And did he feel like God was hearing him or did he feel like he was confused about who God was? Anything like that.

Honeycutt:

He felt sure of himself.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

And yet there was room for growth. Okay. It feels, he seems to feel resolved, but having seen that, he also had room to grow.

Amy Babish:

Okay, and who did he go to to ask for help or feel more seen before he left, before he split from this other man.

Honeycutt:

There was allegedly a council.

Amy Babish:

Okay, and did he go to the council? Because I know you have the family lore about it. We're asking, we're asking him directly.

Honeycutt:

Oh, yeah, I don't know. This, this is not family or like, look, I don't know. He said there was a council.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And what happened when he petitioned the council?

Honeycutt:

Some agreed with him, most did not. He was not able to persuade. Part of it was society's fear because at the time, the Mormons or the ld, like at that time, he said they were already ostracized as is. So there was a lot of fear around who had the greater truth.

Amy Babish:

Okay, okay.

Honeycutt:

And, and influence. So ultimately he said that he, he more went to try to convince.

Amy Babish:

Yep. Yeah.

Honeycutt:

And. And most did not listen to him.

Amy Babish:

Okay. So we're going to ask this. This feels very related to the confusion and the power dynamic in the bigger systemic field of the LDS and Mormon system because they were, they were ostracized. So this ancestor carries some of the systemic burden. And when that happens, we're going to ask. We're going to ask for him to show you what was the context of the outer world. So when he says that the outer world didn't understand the LDS community or the faith and they were being ostracized, where was that ostracization felt the most?

Honeycutt:

Where did you feel? The hospital. This is at a time when America was experiencing a bit of an age of enlightenment.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

There were new spiritual, so to speak, truths or belief structures or thoughts or thoughts or systems that Were outside of the typical of the more protest the. The not Protestant. It's the pure puritanical systems of belief that have been brought over. The ostracization came from. Well, there's something about the star systems that were misinterpreted, maybe misinterpret at the time were interpreted as clearly as they could. However, this was more around astrology and the lack of societal awareness of the greater spiritual system. And therefore it was already. They were already viewed as out so to speak outcast of the typical religious systems in the United.

Honeycutt:

In this United States. And for him in the understanding that most had chosen for quite some long period of time polygamy as a way forward. And in this splitting was this almost constriction of wanting to somewhat comply with somewhat comply or to bend or mold maybe into ways that were more aligned with normative society and thus why they most departed and left to Utah because that was a safer place. It was further away from the. From most of society, most of the American culture at that time.

Amy Babish:

Okay, and so we're going to ask him was he a part of the people that had to. To leave?

Honeycutt:

He chose to take his group stayed in Ohio, I believe is what he's saying. But he as I know he went to an island in the Great Lakes and established and led the polygamist side of the LDS church until his passing.

Amy Babish:

So he was from Ohio. Is that. Do we have him right?

Honeycutt:

No, this is where some council happened.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

So that.

Amy Babish:

So I'm trying to. I'm trying to get a sense because he had. He was forced. It was his choice. But to survive, he was forced to leave.

Honeycutt:

They were all being forced to leave that area because of the. Of the. Of. Of the. The other people around society around did not want them there. So they were trying to make a decision where to go. Yeah, this council was held. Then they got these like what they call golden tablets or something such as.

Honeycutt:

And then the split happened where the one group followed maybe to Utah and the rest went with him into Michigan or. And spread into other areas and dispersed.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so. So the community was forced to leave their. Their regular. Their regular lives.

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

And so that, that when. So it's a form of exile or ostracization that's held in the bigger systemic field. Yes. Before the. Even the split happened.

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

So I'm trying to. Because there's the whole community. But he is the ancestor we're working with with you. Where was he living? Where did he have to leave? I understand the council was in Ohio.

Honeycutt:

Where he left to Beaver Island.

Amy Babish:

Where was he. Where. Where did he leave?

Honeycutt:

Ohio.

Amy Babish:

Ohio. Okay. So we're. We're going to invite him. He. He. This was not available in his lived lifetime when, When. When people.

Amy Babish:

When ancestors are forced to leave because of war, because of genocide, because of ostracization to when they have to survive or when they're forced to leave to survive. This is about a layer of. This is connected to land. So we're going to ask him to. Wherever he is in his field right now, he might be in Beaver island, but we're going to ask him to invite in the land of Ohio that he felt most connected to, that he was forced to leave.

Honeycutt:

He never felt he was again forced to leave Beaver island at a point, and that is where he is more connected.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Okay. So it's, you know, people's system, connection to land is complex. So we're going to ask him to wherever he's at, to call up the land of Beaver island and allow it to come behind him. So he's being supported on the land mass in the systemic field. And you can be there with him where he is being reconnected with the land that deeply mattered to him. That felt like home, that felt safe. He could feel that safety in his route.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah. What, what happens? What do you, what do you witness in him? Honeycutt?

Honeycutt:

No, he's telling me I'm not rooted.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

I don't have land.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So we're going to slow it down. Can he receive the resource of being reconnected to Beaver island right now? Yeah. And what happens for him when he begins to reconnect with Beaver island, with that land, with that sense of home, that sense of being rooted? It.

Honeycutt:

It's just really kind of quiet and peaceful.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

That's sort of the feeling of it is that this rootedness is working through. It's like, it's like feeling like it's kind of moving through, like, almost like a. Like a vision of the roots going down and then like really, like electric roots kind of like going out and into, like into the landedness. Almost feels like it's like what I'm getting, this sense of like it's moving through the family.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah.

Honeycutt:

Like all this rootedness, although a part of Eli or Honey feels that most of the family has always been rooted in Michigan, there's been a disconnection from a true grounding.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah.

Honeycutt:

He's just the message. So this message, he's like, it's very important for me to have some land of my own.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

And to choose it.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So when you receive that message from him, what happens for you?

Honeycutt:

I feel like validated. But his also message is, this is not a place you have to go back to. This is a place you create for yourself. This is you and your own unique creation.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

And so that feels. That feels good. Because I, I don't feel connected to like going back to Michigan or those places.

Amy Babish:

No, no, no, no. It's, it's. It's not a one size fits all that. Something he. He needed to have contact with, something that he was separated from.

Honeycutt:

That's home for him.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, that's home for him. And it doesn't have to be home for you. So. So can he receive from the land something that maybe got a little bit. I'm not sure if the right. I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth, but it feels like he had to really fully full throttle go into his truth because he didn't have anywhere to go back to. And so he kind of lives in a binary of, I was ostracized. I have to fully commit to this.

Amy Babish:

And then I hear from him that over time, he knew himself in a different way. He evolved. But something. Something got maybe tangled for him. When I could hear how angry he was when he had to. To survive, he had to leave. And it felt like a binary.

Honeycutt:

Yes. Because it was calling into question his, His. His personal choice and the way he chose to live and create family.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So the land. When he. When he really receives this support and this rooting from the land, what happens for him? What does he have now through this transmission, through the support that wasn't available to him?

Honeycutt:

Well, he does feel. So one thing he's saying, he does feel bad because when he got there, they kicked out the Irish settlers.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

They ran them off.

Amy Babish:

Okay. So does he have an Irish settler that comes to mind that he could do some repair work with?

Honeycutt:

He feels that that's not necessary. So I, I understand that he's a little stubborn.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So part of this is a very complex system of power over and power under. And so he was forced to submit and leave.

Honeycutt:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

And then that was repeated with the.

Honeycutt:

Irish settlers and then repeated again when he was kicked off. Again.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So this, if he could humor me, it's an important layer of the work that will help him to be supported and to help free you as his descendant if he's not willing. I respect that.

Honeycutt:

No, I don't. This last name, o'callahan. I don't have any idea. That's just the name.

Amy Babish:

That's okay. If he can call that person into the space and say in his own way. With a clean. With a clean heart and clean hands. I didn't know what I was doing back then. I didn't know the power that I wielded. And I didn't know the harm that I would cause by forcing you to leave. The next layer I would invite him to.

Amy Babish:

To sit with. Is to say I was a victim of my own community. I felt powerless. Even though I was powerful in my truth. And I wielded that power without seeing you as a whole person and your. And your people as a whole. Just as my people couldn't see me as a whole. I was dehumanized by my community.

Amy Babish:

And I perpetuated that by kicking you off the island and your people off the island. Yeah. What happens? What do you witness? A Honeycutt.

Honeycutt:

This really clear message that it's really sad to see that again through interpretation of what is considered a holy book. That one's deemed less than are being kicked out or looked at less than. Just based on an interpretation and not an embodied truth. This is a repeated cycle.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Yes. So does he feel complete? Does he feel that there's anything else to say to this gentleman?

Honeycutt:

No.

Amy Babish:

Okay. We're gonna invite in a resource. Another resource that helps your ancestor to receive. Maybe it wasn't even in his awareness in his lifetime. But something that allows him to understand. Right. Relationship with power. It could be a planet.

Amy Babish:

It could be an ancient archetype. It could be a God or a goddess. Something. You've mentioned. The star system.

Honeycutt:

Mars.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Mars. And we're going to invite Mars to offer support or a transmission that allows this ancestor to receive the missing pieces. Mr. Strange. To receive the missing pieces around.

Honeycutt:

Strang.

Amy Babish:

Strang. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. I didn't mean to insult your ancestor.

Honeycutt:

I don't. That's just like. It's Strang.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Mr. Strang. To your great great grandfather. To receive the missing pieces around being in right relationship with power and integrity. Wholeness. From Mars. From the sacred masculine.

Honeycutt:

Okay.

Amy Babish:

And what happens for your ancestor?

Honeycutt:

It's like a settling of energy.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. He's. He's grounding. Yeah. And what happens for you as you witness him receiving this support.

Honeycutt:

The words that are coming through is the. Like a domination.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

The masculine domination. Has been missing the nurturing masculine.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

That's for me.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So you can say to your great grandfather. Your confused power dynamics have lived within me. The masculine domination. No matter What I've done. Those power dynamics have played out within me in our family and in my life. And I haven't felt safe to fully be me and speak my truth for fear of being dominated and ostracized and made bad and wrong and not whole. You can say I belonged.

Amy Babish:

I belonged. I belong to your confusion that it was also held culturally in that community. And you can say in your own way, now I see that I come from a very complex system, even more complex than I intellectually understood. I see that you struggled and you did your best to live your truth, but it came from punishment and domination that continued to be perpetuated with people on land. And you can share with them. This is how it's shown up in my life here. And how is this landing for you? Honeycutt.

Honeycutt:

Feels very. I mean, there's. There's a little part of me that is, you know, his. He's speaking about religious or spiritual awarenesses for him and the domination by a society that. So, I mean, it feels relevant in the like. Like the felt experience, but in what I experienced very different. Having been ostracized and kicked out of the culture for being queer and so. And dominated by a perceived masculine energy that was not nurturing.

Honeycutt:

But one of the things I was really feeling was the fact that the masculine energy was not just dominated through the male sex.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Honeycutt:

But that it was really dominated through the feminine. And that the dominance that has happened is through the feminine line.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah. And so you can say, you know, the. The victim, perpetrator bond lived on in men and women in my. In my. In my culture community and in my family system. We're going to invite in your entire lineage in between this great great grandfather and you, and we're going to invite them to receive the right relationship with the sacred masculine. They're going to receive the resource that has been omitted from the family system, from the cultural all the way down to you, their descendant, men and women, anybody that's been kicked out of the family or the church, anybody that was disowned and all the people who still belong to that church. What happens.

Honeycutt:

There's like a funny. It was like I heard yelled at. Heresy.

Amy Babish:

Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And just let Mars do its thing. Mars is much bigger than fears of heresy. Yeah. And no one's forced to receive. And those who are willing to receive the support in the systemic field will receive the support.

Honeycutt:

It was. Yeah. It was more said kind of like jokingly.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when you're Ready? You're going to look at your. Your systemic field from you all the way back to your great great grandfather. And you can say in your own way, I see the complexity and I feel it in a different way now, understanding the misalignment of the masculine in our lineage, the domination that omitted tenderness in both men and women in the domination of one group's truth over another in a binary. Yeah. What happens? You're smiling.

Honeycutt:

Oh, it's just, it's so much more clear, like what was actually happening in the dynamics of the system.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Honeycutt:

It was ostracization. I mean, all sorts of separation done and.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

And being isolated from because of different religion. It's all religion. It's all religion and isolation. And I mean, so now I was like. I mean, I kind of always knew that, but I don't know, my. My grandparents died early. I was not. I was really kept isolated from them.

Honeycutt:

Didn't really know them. And I don't know much of the family history, just even just a little bit about that gentleman or grandfather. But now it can be. It's so clear, like the. How that has played out and especially within my most. My personal parents unit.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

Like that. My close, you know, my, My bro. My parents and my siblings. Because everybody's isolated from each other.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

And all because of this. All because of religious. I'm sure there's other. But this, like the, the nurturing, tender, masculine energy was omitted. Yeah, totally.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah. In the name. In the name of truth.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, well. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amy Babish:

So you can say to Mr. Strangle, your great great grandfather, I truly see you now. I see my whole system now. Thank you to your willingness. I see things in my own family, my nuclear family, much more clearly from a grounded heart space. And, and I see the importance of me being connected to land and being rooted not from a place of domination, but from a place of wholeness with the sacred masculine. And then the next statement we make is, I take my life back from you. I'm willing to speak my truth in a grounded way, rooted with right relationship with power and tenderness in the sacred masculine.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. What happens when you share that with him?

Honeycutt:

There's more. Just a sense of pride.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah.

Honeycutt:

He's. He's just proud and. Yeah, I think.

Amy Babish:

Can you take that in?

Honeycutt:

Yeah, Well, I, I just. I feel more connected now to my, like, I don't. I feel more connected to my own system. My own system.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Yes.

Honeycutt:

Like me, yourself.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Honeycutt:

Because you were me.

Amy Babish:

You were entangled.

Honeycutt:

Yeah. And not that. And because I've been having trouble grounding. Not when I say ground. I can ground in other ways, but I've been having trouble kind of getting myself ever. I've never been rooted. I've only ever lived in, like, a couple. You know, like a house for two years.

Honeycutt:

You know, it's like, move, move. And I love the adventure, but I've never been able to be really rooted in. And, you know, done a lot of spiritual work in my own systems. But I just conceptually understood. I just. I. Like this land thing is just really interesting how that was in my. Like, now I'm like, oh, I feel like.

Honeycutt:

Like I feel like I can actually root, like, for me, not have to try to root for everybody else. Maybe that's what I've been trying to do is root, like, ground in the family system.

Amy Babish:

The systemic field.

Honeycutt:

Yes, the systemic field. And I. That's not. I. Sorry.

Amy Babish:

We can cuss on this. We can cuss on this show. We're real here.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, that. That, like, I can't. I. And so it's. That's sort of making. There's a lot of things happening in my field right now. And awareness where I'm like, oh, okay. Like, because I've been wanting that I' been wanting divine partnership.

Honeycutt:

And all of that has been, like, sort of circling. But no one. I could. How could I call that. How could that align in. If I.

Amy Babish:

There's no place to land.

Honeycutt:

If there's no place to land or really root, you know, and then that person's going to feel that lack of groundedness.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. When we go. Leave. We got to leave. It's not safe.

Honeycutt:

Yeah. Yeah. Even if their bodies are feeling. I just didn't realize that, like, tight. Yes. Anyways. Is what I'm saying. It feels very interesting to be sort of like, free of all the family.

Amy Babish:

The entanglement.

Honeycutt:

The entanglement. And I was not raised Mormon, but Jehovah's Witness, which is just. Just as weird.

Amy Babish:

Another complicated experience.

Honeycutt:

Very, very compl. Experience. But what is really interesting is that when I was observing all that, I'm like, oh, my goodness, what a comp. That is a really complex system of. Well, that's just so heavily entangled.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. I can see that something's getting your eye.

Honeycutt:

Just like feeling really grateful to not have to. I don't feel. I just don't have to worry about that. Like, that's. That's not my. That's not my.

Amy Babish:

That's entangled with somebody else. That's not your Stuff.

Honeycutt:

Yeah. That's not my stuff.

Amy Babish:

And I don't know if your great, great grandfather's still there, but I would love for you to take in his pride, because I. I have a deep sense that you have not had that since you came out from a father figure and receiving that.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, my dad passed, and my dad's really proud of me. He's always present.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Honeycutt:

And my grandparents. But he. I think what I sense and he. What. Like, he's there, but he. But he's really proud of. Is that, like, the spiritual teachings and awareness and around energy and my connection to God or the universe. Source.

Honeycutt:

But God is. The word I use is, like, grounded in me.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Honeycutt:

Not. I have found my own way.

Amy Babish:

You find your own wisdom.

Honeycutt:

My own wisdom and my own way, too, and my own belief structures having shed a lot of others. And he's really proud of that because it's almost kind of like a. Like a break the.

Amy Babish:

Break the cycle.

Honeycutt:

Break the cycles and. And break the normative or the, you know, culturalization around religious beliefs. Kind of like to. To break those cycles so you can say, your gifts.

Amy Babish:

Your gifts live in me. Yeah. Yeah. I will. I honor your ability to tap into your own wisdom. It lives in me. Yeah. Thank you for.

Amy Babish:

Thank you for giving me those gifts. Because it skipped a couple generations.

Honeycutt:

Oh, it.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when we get the complex entanglement, we also get incredible gifts, and so we can give them back something that's more whole, and we get to take our wholeness back, too.

Honeycutt:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Is there anything else? This feels so nice. Anything else you want to name? Anything you want to say aloud about the process or to him before we close out that. That layer?

Honeycutt:

I think I just, you know, to honor and respect that he felt he was, you know, you. He was just. You were really just following your heart and what you thought was really, you know, aligned for you against culture that was so against the way you chose. And I don't align with those beliefs, but I am really, really grateful that in my heritage, I have folks that were willing to take a risk for something that may seem nuts to.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Honeycutt:

To. To follow, you know, their own intuition and guidance and that there's wisdom and all of that.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah.

Honeycutt:

So I'm really appreciative.

Amy Babish:

So he'll be there when you need to call on him. And. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you to him for his willingness. Yeah. And I'm sorry for butchering his name.

Honeycutt:

Oh, he's just being silly. But, yeah, everybody got it wrong. He would say.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So for you, Honeycutt, having, you know, you are. You've done a lot of your own personal work. You lead a lot of journeys for people. What was this process like? Like?

Honeycutt:

Well, what I really enjoy. It's when you're working, helping other people to tap into their own systems and be able to see, you know, it's harder for one to do it themselves. And so I've had a friend that we do a lot of work with each other. You know, I think there was a little bit, because he went right that he came so quickly forward and there was a more self conscious part of me that was like, that's the only story because I'm not, I don't feel tied to my, to my ancestors at all. But that is the one story that all my ancestors or all my family loves to talk about. And as I'm saying this out loud, I'm like, I realize why they all talk about him is because that is still very present and in the, in, in our systems.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Honeycutt:

And so, so like that makes sense, you know, to me. And I really, I. Yeah, the process felt really good. I think, I think it does. I think it does not think. I know it does not make. I don't take light that the things I feel called to speak about are also things that are going to probably push people's narrative of what their beliefs, systems or their programs have been based in and whatever they're kind of entangled in. Yes, but where I feel different than him, where him is that I'm really appreciative of choosing or having this, this, this, this queer perspective because I feel like the nurturing masculine has been within me more.

Honeycutt:

But it was more that, like fear of the external.

Amy Babish:

The domination.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, domination. Especially around being queer and spiritual or talking more about, you know, insights into, you know, Bible or, you know, around queerness being okay with, you know, But I feel very grounded in that and, but I do sense like that disconnection from land. I just didn't realize as much how much that was really kind of bugging me in the background.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, it was, it was omitted. It was omitted.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, yeah, totally. And that like, divine right to have my own rooted land space, you know, for me.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And your future partner.

Honeycutt:

Yeah, yeah. Giddy up, giddy up. So. No, that feels, it's. Thank you for that. I will be curious how that impacts the rest of the family, you know, over.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Yeah. You know, we're all connected, so. And you know that from your work. We're all connected and the shifts will happen Maybe not in the way that our conscious narrative says, but yeah, they'll unfold. I do have a couple episodes that are coming to mind for partnership. We don't have time to get into that layer.

Honeycutt:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

But I have some house therapy feng shui that would be really helpful for you. And they're in other episodes. And for those of you who listening, like, I have a partnership question too. We'll list that in the show notes because there's some. I can see just by how you're seated in our recording that some of those things will be helpful for you and opening your. Your space up energetically to shift the soup that you're steeping in to receive a partner. Yeah. So that will be another layer for you.

Honeycutt:

Perfect.

Amy Babish:

Do you have any other questions for me before we close up.

Honeycutt:

Now? I guess I do have one question because around the. When, when we do more systematic stuff around, like, religious, like, larger collective belief systems, like, I know consciously it shifts, but it feels like so many people are going through that. So, like, what is your take on when you're looking at the systems in these really large clusters of, like, you know, if you look at like a, like Joe's Witness, like that whole thing when you're looking at those systems, what you see? I don't. I'm sort of curious, and it may not be the. The conversation for this call, but I am really curious from the larger collective, like when we have these clumps of.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, definitely, definitely. So that's one of the most beautiful, beautiful and supportive things about systemic constellation work, is that we are getting into all kinds of dynamics. And when we think about it doesn't matter if it's a JOH witness or an organization, but we want to look at like, who is the one that names it and what is their intention. And then what's the framing of the group and what's the lineage of framing the group? That's the first place I would start. And then thinking about what's the group's intention. And then one of the things I'm always looking at when there's something very complex is what's the victim, perpetrator, bond, what's been omitted. And most systems, not just family systems, but religious systems and system systems, they are sitting on the edge of either feeling really identified with the victim, which is, I feel helpless and I want to really kind of annihilate the perpetrator often, or I'm really identified with the perpetrator perspective, which is what came up in. In your constellation, which would be really beautifully kind of illustrated with what happened on Beaver island, which was your great grandfather couldn't see the Irish people as whole.

Amy Babish:

So when we carry the perpetration identity, we have good intentions, but we're not seeing the wholeness of the other. And that happens a lot in, you know, when power dynamics are confused with religion, not just politics. They're in different places. And so I could have really good intentions as a religious community, but when I think that my way is the right way, that's a, that's a tip off to. Usually the perpetrator identity has been omitted and then the power dynamic continues to iterate in different ways over and over again. With your great grandfather was with land.

Honeycutt:

Right.

Amy Babish:

And with you, it's with your, it's happened with your queerness in your family system.

Honeycutt:

So.

Amy Babish:

And the religious system.

Honeycutt:

Right. Yeah. Really, really fascinating. Thank you for sharing that.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So thank you for bringing this very rich and complex system to us, to your, to your lineage. And for those of you who are still with us at the end of this episode, giddy up. That's what I say when we get into deep work. I hope that this episode gives you a lot of food for thought around really, when you're facilitating this kind of work, it's important that the facilitator comes with a clean heart and clean hands and not with a bias. And I, I believe that I held that with, you know, seeing you and your ancestry and your, and your ancestor and its wholeness and whatever the listeners are carrying, that feels like, oh, this is too complicated. I can never ask Amy for help with this. It's so, you know, just out there, it's complicated.

Amy Babish:

Is she going to get enrolled in the story? It's really, you know, my hope is that listeners can say maybe there is hope for me. Something that I've been up against over and over again. And it just keeps on feeling like maybe it's you can't speak your truth, maybe it's you don't feel grounded and safe. Whatever it is. Oftentimes constellation work is really overlooked at how you can get some support for you and your system. So I invite you to look into booking a 90 minute session with me. I invite you to listen to other episodes. I would say that Honeycutt's episode is our most complex yet and really that so many things can shift with this work and you can really free yourself, free your ancestors and free your legacy to be in, in its own integrity with your own, your own truth.

Amy Babish:

As Honeycutt is kind of emphasizing for us today. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you to Honeycutt. Thank you to the listeners. If this episode resonates, please leave a review on your favorite platform and I will see you next time. That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary Podcast. If you found value in today's episode and are ready to delve deeper into aligning your inner world and environment, please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Your subscription helps us to reach more soulful visionaries like yourself, and if you've been inspired by what you heard, I'd be incredibly grateful if you could leave a review.

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