I Am Loyal to How You Were Persecuted

Intellectually understanding an entanglement does not alchemize it. And Marie knows this all too well.

She’s tried to remedy her situation from so many different angles—for so many years.

In today’s client session, we're finding some relief for Marie, her family lineage, and her soul lineage through a mix of ancestral work, alchemical family constellation work, and even House Therapy and Feng Shui.

You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:

» have a sense of limit and lack on a cellular level

» want to improve your relationship with your home

» are tired of walking around with all this extra “stuff”

» have a background in both academics and entrepreneurship

» want to get away from “the only way I make money is by working really hard”

We taped this on a huge Mercury Cazimi day, which beautifully facilitates the heart and the mind to communicate more harmoniously.

I’m so grateful to Marie for trusting me, especially after the confusing experience she had with previous ancestral work.

But as she said, the only way we can truly move forward is to open ourselves up and be willing to trust again.

I hope that you got exactly what you needed from this conversation! Until next time, take gentle care.

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Amy Babish:

Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you're meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together. Welcome into the Soulful Visionary podcast.

Amy Babish:

I'm your host, Amy Babish, and today we have a friend and a colleague and she's going to go by the name of Marie. So, Marie, I'm so excited that you're here. I'm so excited to dig in. Today we're going to be doing some ancestral work, some alchemical family constellation work. Welcome in.

Marie:

Thank you, Amy. I'm so delighted to be here with you.

Amy Babish:

So for those of you who've listened before and for new folks, we always begin with intention setting. So, Marie, in your own words, can you tell the listeners what your intention for the work is?

Marie:

So first and foremost, I am in the process of, along with my spouse, I'm trying to refinance a loan for, for a home. And it, it's not. The home isn't in the United States and it's been just quite complicated to deal with this transaction and we're under a deadline to get it done or else we're going to be in a really difficult spot. And we're working with a loan officer who's been quite helpful and we're hoping that this is going to go through. Others have not. So that is like thing number one. But as you and I talked about, another layer of this is just knowing on all the levels that one can possibly know something that I have a lot of ancestral work to do around money and what's possible materially. I got a lot of direct messages from my parents about scarcity and lack and like, you know, how to get by with, you know, not very much and that kind of thing.

Marie:

So some of this came from living ancestors, but I think this, like, this is like long running and deep stuff. And I am so tired of walking around with all of this.

Amy Babish:

Thank you. Thank you, Marie. Some of the, some of the things that we also named I want to just check in with. So this is really, really important first layer. So do you also want to speak about your current home? And that was that that's part of your intention?

Marie:

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I just wasn't sure how many things.

Amy Babish:

Oh yeah, yeah. Well, we will. You know, the amazing thing about the way that I work with people is like everything you are the common bond, everything that's intention in this layer that we're going to work on today is connected. So the more specific we can be, the cleaner this systemic field will be for us. It's kind of like this is our lane. Even though there might be hundreds or millions of ancestors who are like, I want to work with Marie today. They don't get to just push the line. The line gets created by the intention and then secondarily by the entanglement.

Amy Babish:

So we'll talk about that. You're kind of naming some entanglements now, but we're going to talk about the intention. And this reminds me of in our pre conversation, you said, what are entanglements? So we're going to get into that secondarily defining that.

Marie:

Yeah, yeah.

Amy Babish:

I thought that was a great conversation for the podcast. But in terms of your other intentions, we want to make sure we get all the intentions kind of like front loaded.

Marie:

Okay. So, yes. My spouse and I live in a condo that when we found it a, it was like, it was like coming home to a long lost friend. And yeah, and it, how can I say this? Like, by like the standards of people who want to look like they have a nice home. It did not look like a nice home. It had been built in like 1975 and nothing had been updated. So it was like dirty ivory carpet peeling wallpaper that like, was different in every room. And some of it was kind of cool.

Marie:

Like some of the old wall paper was actually quite cool. But some of it was just like fugly and like, you know, like it was a popcorn ceiling. The kitchen had like wallpaper on the ceiling. You know, it was just like. And the appliances, like, you know, the old dishwasher worked like a tank. It was amazing. But the oven and the stove like gradually fell apart and like we got to the point where the oven didn't work and there was only one burner working right. And so it, it, the place definitely needed some love if we were ever going to rent or sell it.

Marie:

Or feel confident about having people over. But I also loved it the way it was. Like, I knew we were going to want to rent or sell at some point, and we're getting to that point now. So it was like. I knew it. I knew the remodel was necessary on one level, but I was also like, I love. Like, my mess is my mess. Like, this house, this condo, like, the way it is is perfect.

Marie:

And then we went into this remodel, and we tore it all up. And we got back. We moved back in. And immediately I was like, I hate this. And I also got sick immediately. I got, like, sicker than I've been in years immediately. And stayed sick for, like, six weeks. It was awful.

Marie:

And this was a little over two years ago now. And as you and I have been talking about, like, this is something that, like, needs reparation, and this is a relationship that needs attention. And I've as with your guidance, I've been working with the house, and it's been good. Last time when we talked, you were like, I don't feel like it has happened yet. And I was like, yeah, I don't either. And since then, I've been. I've done a few additional things that we've discussed, and I do feel like we're kind of, like, in the same room again. Like, the house is willing to talk to me, but I don't feel like there's been, like, a quantum shift.

Marie:

So that's another thing.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And for those of you who don't know, I also offer one of my modalities that offers house therapy and feng shui. And so Marie and I and her beautiful condo, we won't name their name. He is a he. He's been named. He's amazing. And they were traveling a bit back and forth. So now she's back at home, able to be in the works with her home.

Amy Babish:

So this is important. Any other intention you want to weave in?

Marie:

Yeah. So I was really thinking about this a lot since we spoke last. You said you can ask for anything else you want. And I was like, I want to win the lottery. I want $10 million. And you were like, okay. And on the one hand, I'm very serious about that, but on the other hand, what's behind that more than the specific dollar amount is wanting to get away from. The only way I make money is by working really hard.

Marie:

And I am, like, I'm barely deserving of whatever it is I make. And this has been like, a lifelong thing that I've been dealing with and I don't want to operate from that anymore.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Amen.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And you have a background that goes from academics into entrepreneurship.

Marie:

Well, it's more complicated than what I know it's actually been. I led parallel lives for a long time. I was in academia, but I was also in holistic health. I was also a yoga teacher. I had a holistic health, spiritual coaching, private practice for a while. So the toggle back and forth between academia and entrepreneurship was crazy.

Amy Babish:

Oh wow.

Marie:

There's a whole, that's like a whole other story. And before I even got into academia, like I had a long history of being a very low paid, but, but I don't know, very productive person. So I served in the Peace Corps for three and a half years and I did a lot of work, didn't make a lot of money after that. I worked in nonprofits, did a lot of work, didn't make a lot of money. So like I didn't make more than $35,000 a year until I was like 36. Right. So that's a lot of time like when most people are starting to build wealth that I was like, you know, working with not much when you live in like San Francisco, as I do. Right.

Marie:

So. Or while I've lived in other places too. But anyway, it's, it's. And behind all of that was like the belief of like, I shouldn't expect anything more than this. But I've always really enjoyed the things that money can buy way. And I don't think that's a problem. But there's also just this like deep seated thing of like, no, like you don't get to have that. Doesn't matter how valuable your work is.

Marie:

Like you don't get to have that. And where I am in my professional life now is like I make more than $35,000 a year, thank you very much. But even though I do make more money, it's, it's still it. The limits are still there. The sense of limit and lack at a cellular level is still in me. And I really don't want to live like more of my life this way. It's been fine, thank you very much. And I'm ready for the next thing.

Amy Babish:

Thank you for naming this so clearly and specifically. And so honestly. And this is a, a really clear example of an entanglement. So no matter what you do, no matter how skilled you are, you're a very, very skilled person in many different dimensions, many different ways. You come back to this. It's a belief, but it's also a lived experience.

Marie:

Right.

Amy Babish:

So it's both. It's both. And so to give the Cliff Notes of what an entanglement is for those listening and for Marie.

Marie:

Let me interrupt, say something like, this is super important to me on so many levels when I'm, you know, I'm a practitioner, too. And I think it's so important for us as practitioners to be really precise about the concepts that we're working with so it doesn't end up being, like, vague jargon. And I find that that really facilitates the practitioner client relationship. But also when I'm listening to something and I hear somebody using just, like, words and they don't make sense, it's like, what are they talking about? Like, this could mean any number of things. Right. And that's fine. Lots of terms can mean any number of things. But I think it's so valuable for us to be as specific and explicit as possible about what we mean.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

When we use a particular term. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And I think also in the world of terms, many people use the same terms without the same meaning.

Marie:

Yes. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So, okay, so when I say entanglement, I'm speaking from an alchemical family and systems constellation perspective. And so. And entanglement is always hidden in plain sight. So when we are in an entanglement, our regular modalities, our regular tools, it could be being in nature, exercising, you know, meditating, praying, doing tantra, whatever people do, going to therapy, whatever it is, whatever you throw at entanglement, it just doesn't budge or it has diminishing returns.

Marie:

So I think that's so important. But I think we should also say the thing that you said to me when we talked before about, like, what exactly an entanglement is.

Amy Babish:

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. We're going to get into that.

Marie:

Okay.

Amy Babish:

So when. When we incarnate. And this is. This is. I'm not here to tell you what to believe. The best way for me to explain it is when you incarnate, you choose blood lineages to help you. So through things that you have not figured out in other lifetimes or in other ways.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And so an entanglement can be chosen. Like, I'm going to figure this thing out in this lifetime. So in Marie's example, I'm going to figure out money worthiness and limits around money and making money and working hard or not working hard, binary or not binary, I am choosing this blood and lineage as like an exclamation point so that I will never miss it by a long shot. Like, she chose Parents who specifically held these beliefs. She's chosen many different modalities to be like, I'm going to understand how I'm wired, how. How people work, how beliefs work, how people change, how people evolve. And no matter what Marie does this, it's like she has a rubber band that brings her back into this specific challenge. And so in one way that we can have entanglement, it is through a blood lineage.

Amy Babish:

If it's in one blood lineage, it means it's in this lifetime. It's related to this blood lineage. Like the maternal side, for instance. If it is on both blood lineages. Both sides. Maternal. Maternal. Then it's most likely an entanglement that is from a past life.

Amy Babish:

And so a past life entanglement looks like another word for. It is a soul fractal. And so you have most of your soul in this lifetime, Marie, when we are an old soul, as you are, as I am, we can have many entanglements and many fractals. And so when we have lived in another lifetime, different blood lineage, completely different, we had that same challenge or that same entanglement around money, around worthiness, around the limits, around I have to work hard. It's in a different group, a different way, but it's the same thing. And in that lifetime, when it's your. The fullness of your soul, part of your soul is still stuck with that life, with that life context, with that person or those people around this challenge.

Marie:

Let me say something that I think I remember you saying, but firm. I think you described an entanglement as like an agreement between you and another person or another version of yourself, past or present, that doesn't serve you and needs to be like a. Like worked out somehow. Is that about right?

Amy Babish:

So sometimes it's an agreement that's like. I would say, like, that's a way of talking about it, but it's kind of like I. Out of love, we take on unresolved business.

Marie:

Okay.

Amy Babish:

Of our people.

Marie:

I love that unresolved business that we have taken on for whatever reasons. For our souls, for our soul's evolution.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, our soul's evolution. But it's not always. It's. It's very rarely conscious.

Marie:

Sure.

Amy Babish:

By the time I meet someone at this point in their life.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Just like no matter what I do, it's not this, it's not that, but it keeps on happening. And it's. It feels like insanity. It feels frustrating, it feels crazy. Making it feels like literally, we are out of options.

Marie:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

This is the only way. The only way I'm going to make money is to work hard.

Marie:

Right.

Amy Babish:

No matter what I really believe. Which is.

Marie:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

Leaves. You're like, I know that's not true. You know that's not real. But my lived experience is, no matter what I do, I keep on. Go to. I go to this pattern. I go to this place.

Marie:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

So this is where, like, people come to me and they're like, oh, I understand epigenetics. Or I understand, you know, this is what my parents look like. This is what my people live by. Like, intellectually understanding it does not alchemize it.

Marie:

Right. Totally get it. Totally agree. And I will also say, and this is relevant to everybody listening to, like, I have tried to deal with this from so many different angles. You have no idea how much time and energy and money I have thrown at trying to address this. And I'm a firm believer just. This is also just, like, for people listening, like, I'm a firm believer in taking responsibility for what we consciously have the power to control in this present incarnation of ours. And I also believe that there are some things that are just at a totally different level.

Marie:

Whole nother thing, whole nother dimension. And I am so ready to come at this in another way. And I loved what you said a moment ago about, you know, if it's from both lineages, it's a past life thing. I told you this. I worked with a ancestral medicine person last year because I was like, it's time for me to step up and deal with this. And, you know, this practitioner, like, I'm sure they have great results with some of their clients, but, like, they wanted me to, like, try and tap into, like, all of my lineages and, like, go back to, like, all of the unremembered dead, like, all at once. And was just like, this is way too much for me. This is like, I don't.

Marie:

There's no there there as far as I'm concerned. So I loved what you just said about that. And I. And for. For the record, this definitely comes from both lineages.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So we're gonna. We're gonna just. We're gonna go for. For those of you who are listening for the first time, you can go to other episodes where I. I kind of help the guest to delineate. Is it maternal? Paternal? Because Marie does know in a conscious way, it comes from both lineages. So we're gonna just. We're gonna do our first tune in with both your intention and the entanglement.

Amy Babish:

We're gonna ask your soul to take Us, you and me, separately or individually or together. Whatever they wanted, whatever. However your soul wants to do it. Take us to the lifetime context where this started for you. So it might. You might see a certain kind of, like, landscape, you might see a certain kind of town, you might see someone at a certain age. They may or may not be the same gender. It really can be anything.

Marie:

Okay.

Amy Babish:

And you might get images, you get sounds, you might get words. Everybody's system works in different ways. Okay. So both. We'll both tune in. Okay.

Marie:

So guide me. I'm. I'm, you know, getting as subtle as I can here and just guide me through what you want me to do when you want me to do it.

Amy Babish:

So. So you can, whenever you kind of feel like your. Your soul has taken you there, you can just start to let us know where you are.

Marie:

So I'm nowhere near there.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Marie:

This is gonna take me a moment.

Amy Babish:

That's okay. So you're. What we, what we do when we do a tune in. It's like the words of your entanglements and the words of your intentions become like a radio dial. We're going to like 97.3 for this entanglement. That's basically what we do. It's in the vibrational field, it's in the quantum field. And rather than it being like what the other practitioner did, which I'm sure works for many people but didn't work for you.

Marie:

Yep.

Amy Babish:

It's not all ancestors throughout all time and space and dimensions. It's.

Marie:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

Just the soul lineage where this started for you. No matter what I do, I have to work hard to make money. I shouldn't expect more. You don't get to have what you really want, no matter what limit and lack on a cellular level.

Marie:

So this is just first thing that's coming to me. Rocks like steep mountain rocks, Moss, fog. When I see pictures of like the Scottish Highlands on television, this is what it looks like.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Okay. So thank you. Thank you to your soul for taking us to a region.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And so we can ask, you know, thank you for bringing me to the land. And can you let me know the specific context of my life where this, this pattern started, what was happening maybe, you know, either religiously, politically, community wise, where money became a real, real challenge. Lack and scarcity.

Marie:

So some of my ancestors are from Scotland. And what I'm seeing right now is this picture of. I don't know if it's my great, great, great or something grandfather that is actually on the wall of my mom's House. I'm seeing that. And beyond that, I'm just kind of like in the. In the Rocky Mountains. Not the Rocky Mountains of the United States, in the. In the Shire of Scotland.

Marie:

And, And. And seeing this picture, that's what I'm getting here.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And so this is where I'm kind of getting. I'm getting. I'm. I get information all kinds of ways. So one of the ways.

Marie:

Yes, please, please contribute. I'm terrible at this kind of thing.

Amy Babish:

No, no, you're doing. This is what everyone thinks they are. But, like, you're. You're getting more than probably you really knew there was there already. So I get information through, like, knowing and through my body in different ways. So I'm not a seer. I am Claire cognizant and clairsentient. And so I'm getting the goosebumps that tells me.

Amy Babish:

And this we always know with constellation work what is most resonant for you as. As the soul in this context or the descendant. But I still feel like it's a soul issue for you. So what I'm. What I'm curious about, and you can ask your systemic field in the Shire, when you see this picture of someone that you know in this lifetime or you know of in this lifetime.

Marie:

Know of. Yeah. Didn't know.

Amy Babish:

You can say, did I have a lifetime in a different Scottish lineage where there was a problem with that man who I know to be my great, great, great grandfather in this lifetime?

Marie:

Tell me that again, and I will ask myself out loud.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Say it line by line.

Amy Babish:

Yes. So you can say to your soul, is it possible. Is it possible that I had another lifetime in Scotland that I had another lifetime in Scotland that's different than my blood lineage in this lifetime that's different.

Marie:

From my blood lineage in this lifetime.

Amy Babish:

And it's somehow entangled with my maternal great, great, great grandfather in this lifetime?

Marie:

And it's somehow entangled. Yes, it is.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Yes, I did. And yes, it is.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So how does that land for you, Marie?

Marie:

As I'm just like, yes, yes, yes, for sure.

Amy Babish:

I feel it. So you can say to your soul, please show me who I was and what this was about.

Marie:

Please show me who I was and what this was about.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

So the first. This is where I always wonder if it's, like, thinking or knowing from the soul level. But the first thing that comes to me was, I was a witch.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Yeah. And Maria's weeping, in case that's not coming out in the audio. Like, it's very emotional.

Marie:

It's very.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So what is it like to just say out, out, out loud, I was a witch in another lifetime?

Marie:

It's like, God damn it, yes, I was. And the consequences of that were not good. And I'm still angry about it.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a Scottish witch, and I am still angry, angry in this lifetime about it.

Marie:

Not angry about being a witch, Angry about how I was treated, the consequences of it.

Amy Babish:

Yes, yes, I'm clear. I'm clear. Sorry, sorry. That didn't come off as cross, clearly. So you can ask however you. However, however you do it, Marie, you can say, can you show me who I was? Show me the witch that I was? Yeah, yeah.

Marie:

Can you show me the witch that I. And I. I kind of immediately got this picture of someone smiling, with beautiful curly red hair with a nose ring, although I don't know if that was a thing in Scotland back then, looking like a fairy princess.

Amy Babish:

And ask her first. You can say to her, because we're at the point you can see her, you can say, do you know you're dead?

Marie:

Do you know you're dead? I don't think she does.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, yeah. So you can explain to her, I'm Marie. Work were connected by souls, and I live in the year 2025 in America.

Marie:

I'm Marie. It's the year 2025. We're connected. But I live in America, and we're connected by our souls. He seems a little confused.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And say this probably. Probably goes beyond what you know. Do you know what you're. What year you're in?

Marie:

Do you know what year you're in? Getting 1774. But she still seems a little confused.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. You can say to her, I'm working with a woman who's also in America who's helping us.

Marie:

I'm working with a woman who's also in America who's helping us.

Amy Babish:

She knows how to go between time and space and help people.

Marie:

She knows how to go between time and space and help people. I think the next question might be like, are you ready for this? Are you ready for some help?

Amy Babish:

Yeah, you can ask her that.

Marie:

Are you willing to work with me on this? It's interesting. I mean, what I'm getting is like a little bit of resistance, like curiosity, but a little bit of resistance.

Amy Babish:

So sometimes we have to explain a little bit more context. So you can say to her however you would say it, Marie, like, even though I am witchy, I'm not a witch in this lifetime, or however you'd like to say it to Her.

Marie:

I'm not quite a witch in this lifetime, Although I'm also sort of a witch.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, you're magical. Yeah, you're potent. You're magical.

Marie:

Yeah, you. I don't call myself a witch in this lifetime. Maybe that. Maybe that's what I want to tell her. I don't call myself a witch in this lifetime, but I also kind of know that I am a witch, and I'm sorry that I didn't claim that for myself in the way that you claimed it for yourself. Yeah. She seems a little more receptive now.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, she. She wants honesty. You. You can say to her, I really am a. I have a reverence for. For knowledge and wisdom and for making things whole in this lifetime.

Marie:

I have a reverence for knowledge and wisdom of all flavors and varieties.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

And what was the other part about making things whole?

Amy Babish:

I'm. I'm here to make things whole.

Marie:

I'm here to make things whole for both of us.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And the. What. What called me to you to this lifetime was my intention and my entanglement.

Marie:

And what called me to you in this lifetime is my intention and my entanglement.

Amy Babish:

And my entanglement is no matter what I do, I have to work hard.

Marie:

To make money and my entanglement is that no matter what I do, I have to work hard to make money.

Amy Babish:

That there is a limit to what I can make.

Marie:

There is a limit to what I can make.

Amy Babish:

And that there's limit and lack on a cellular level.

Marie:

And that there's limit and lack on a cellular level.

Amy Babish:

And I shouldn't expect more.

Marie:

And I shouldn't expect more.

Amy Babish:

And no matter what, I don't really get to want no matter what, I don't really get to have what I really want.

Marie:

And no matter what, I don't really get to have what I really want.

Amy Babish:

And you can say to her, my intentions are clear, but what we have, the soul piece that shared between us is the entanglement.

Marie:

My intentions are clear, but what we have between us is the soul entanglement. I think she's saying that she was, like, run out of her home for being a witch and she had to be somebody's, like, servant for the rest of her life. Okay.

Amy Babish:

So you can. You can say to her, I am entangled with your servitude.

Marie:

I. I am entangled with your servitude. I am entangled with your banishment from.

Amy Babish:

Your gifts and being bound from making.

Marie:

Money around gifts and being bound for making money around gifts or banned from making money around Gifts. Yeah, I can.

Amy Babish:

I can feel that she was. They used other magic to bind. To bind her. Ask her about that.

Marie:

What did they do to bind you? She's saying that they told everyone that she was not to be trusted. They poisoned the community against her. Everyone wanted her gone.

Amy Babish:

So you can say to her in your lived experience, no matter what I do, the right people who really can benefit from my gifts can't find me.

Marie:

Fully in my lived experience or hers in yours.

Amy Babish:

In yours. You can say it. However you would say that to her.

Marie:

I think what's more accurate is I put limits on or I put limits on or other forces put limits on people. All the people finding me who could.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. I am loyal to how you're persecuted.

Marie:

I am loyal to how you were persecuted.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, the limits they put on you are entangled with the limits I have in this lifetime.

Marie:

Yeah, the limits they put on you are entangled with the limits I put on myself in this lifetime.

Amy Babish:

And that just are here.

Marie:

And that just are here.

Amy Babish:

And what happens as you share this with her?

Marie:

She seems a little bit reluctant to like give up her indignation.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So to say to her, it's okay to keep your indignation.

Marie:

It's okay to keep your indignation.

Amy Babish:

You know, you, you know a little bit about that too. Like, I would be pissed too.

Marie:

Yeah, I would be pissed too. I would have a hard time letting that go too.

Amy Babish:

So we're not here to make it all nicey nice.

Marie:

We're not here to make it all nicey nice.

Amy Babish:

I'm here to get you some relief. And it doesn't mean you have to let go of that.

Marie:

I'm here to get you some relief and it doesn't mean you have to let go of that. I think she gets that.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so we're going to ask her did she go to anybody for help or was it just like a swift banishment?

Marie:

She says it was a swift banishment.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So ask her what is a resource that wasn't available in her lived life that she longs for in this? Like she's in purgatory or in limbo.

Marie:

Yeah. What is a resource that you didn't have that you long for? Now she's saying a few clear sighted advocates.

Amy Babish:

Okay. And does she, she, does she know their names or she know their positions? Are they spiritual? Are they real people?

Marie:

Well, the first thing that I got was my great, great, great whatever grandfather.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so ask him who was he in that community?

Marie:

Who was he in that community? She's saying he was the mayor. Okay. I don't know if that's, like, true in real life, but.

Amy Babish:

But that's the. That's the term that she's using. That's resonance. That we can understand. Might be a Scottish brogue term that we don't know. And be like.

Marie:

What is that? Yeah, exactly.

Amy Babish:

She's giving it to us straight. I appreciate that.

Marie:

Right, right.

Amy Babish:

Okay. Who else?

Marie:

She's saying that the mayor didn't start the trouble, but he didn't stop it either.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

And that when he could have spoken up, he didn't.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So we're going to bring your great, great, great grandfather into this context with. With you two.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And so you're going to introduce yourself. You're going to say, I am your. Your descendant. I'm in the year 2025, and I'm connected to this. This witch that was banished.

Marie:

I am your descendants. I am in America in the year 2025, and I'm connected to this witch that was banished.

Amy Babish:

And what happens with your great, great great grandfather?

Marie:

He feels shame.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Ask him, does he know if he's dead?

Marie:

Do you know if you're dead? He knows he's dead.

Amy Babish:

Okay. So you can explain to him. We can't change history.

Marie:

We can't change history. And I know you know that.

Amy Babish:

And we can do something in this liminal space that will help both this witch and me as your great great great granddaughter.

Marie:

We can't change history, but we can do something in this liminal space that will help this witch and me as your descendant. And you, the dead person.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And the lineage, backwards and forwards on both sides.

Marie:

And the lineage backwards and forwards.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. The witch's lineage and my maternal lineage.

Marie:

The witch's lineage and my maternal lineage.

Amy Babish:

And my paternal lineage.

Marie:

And my paternal lineage.

Amy Babish:

And what happens when he hears that?

Marie:

He gets a little flustered.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Say you don't have to understand it.

Marie:

You don't have to understand. I think he understands it. I think he doesn't feel that he's up to the task.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

I think he feels like he fucked up and, you know, didn't stand up for the witch when they were trying to run her out of town, and now he thinks he can't do anything about it.

Amy Babish:

So ask him. In his belief system, is there a religious, ancestral, or political person that kind of embodies right relationship?

Marie:

In your belief system, is there a figure, a person, an entity who embodies right relationship? He's telling me he wishes he knew.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so we're gonna ask we're gonna ask the witch. She's hearing all this, so we can. We can ask her, was there, I don't know the Scottish witch history so well, is there a pagan deity or a elemental deity that can come and help?

Marie:

She's telling me the druids can help. And I don't know if this is, like, actually, like, historically correct, but that's what she's telling me.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so we can ask, is there a druid God or goddess that can come and facilitates this between the mayor and the witch?

Marie:

Is there a druid God or goddess or other figure who could come and help facilitate this? And she's saying yes.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. It could be an elemental being, like a tree or something. I don't know.

Marie:

She's saying yes, there is this fairy figure who can do it.

Amy Babish:

Okay, so we're going to invite the fairy in.

Marie:

The fairy has arrived.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And what we know the witch knows about her or it. What happens with your grand. Your. The mayor.

Marie:

The mayor. Yeah. He's like. He's glad.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

And he's. He's ready to receive healing from a source that he rejected in the past.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And so the fairy can say that your great, great, great grandfather slash the mayor, in her own fairy way. She can give it to him straight. Fairies are. No, no, bullshit. You know, empire and the church and patriarchy and misogyny made you hate women and magic.

Marie:

Yeah. So many things made you hate women in magic. So many things made you afraid to stick up for women in magic, even when you believed in them.

Amy Babish:

And you and all of your lineage has paid a high price.

Marie:

And you and all of your lineage has paid a high price where we.

Amy Babish:

Can never be at peace.

Marie:

Where we can never be at peace.

Amy Babish:

And where I can't fully make money without suffering.

Marie:

And where I can't fully make money without suffering.

Amy Babish:

The limit and lack you put into the witch I live with.

Marie:

The limit and lack you put into the witch I live with.

Amy Babish:

And so did my parents.

Marie:

And so did my parents. He's stuck on feeling responsible, at fault.

Amy Babish:

So the fairy can explain to him that you see that the good intentions that you had and the fear that you had created a lot of harm.

Marie:

Yes.

Amy Babish:

And the fairy can say to him, this is what was missing.

Marie:

What was missing was trust in your own leadership. What was missing was trust that if you spoke up, this could have turned out differently.

Amy Babish:

And you can say, say to your great, great grandfather, I've been loyal to breaking the cycle. I've spoken up around truth, no matter what cost. I Paid.

Marie:

That is for sure.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

I am loyal to breaking the cycle. I have spoken up for truth no matter what cost I paid.

Amy Babish:

I tried to make it right for this witch in every. Every lifetime.

Marie:

I tried to make it right for this witch in every lifetime.

Amy Babish:

And for you.

Marie:

And for you.

Amy Babish:

What happens with both of them when you. When you share that?

Marie:

They're grateful. They're relieved. They see new possibilities for peace.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Rest.

Amy Babish:

And does the fairy need to offer a transmission or do any fairy magic to help a whole repair between the two of them.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah. They both have to trust that. That their so called wrongs can be righted in the future. That they don't have to do anything more.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So the fairy might use a different word.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

But the word without religion is atonement.

Marie:

Sure. They don't have to. They don't have to be labor their struggles and limitations any longer. The future can forgive them and make rectify what was what needed to be resolved. What couldn't be resolved in their lifetimes.

Amy Babish:

And the very can also explain to them that the victim perpetrator bond is the closest bond, most intimate bond throughout all time and space.

Marie:

Yeah. They're saying they can live without bond in a new way.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. It can find its rightful place. Yeah. Where we're neither only the victim or only the perpetrator. We carry both.

Marie:

Right. Right.

Amy Babish:

And then I think that. Oh, go ahead.

Marie:

I think they're starting to kind of relax into that.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And that they deserve this peace. They deserve grace. They deserve relief.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And now they can finally die.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And what happens for the witch?

Marie:

She's starting to understand.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

She's starting to see that she can rest.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And what about your great great grandfather slash the mayor?

Marie:

He is recognizing that he can rest in a different way. Rest without remorse.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And does the fairy have anything else to say or do?

Marie:

She wants them to trust that this really can be okay.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. She can say it. And however it might need to be. Something in Scottish I feel something about magic is real and it goes throughout all dimensions and spaces and times.

Marie:

Yes. Magic is real and it goes through all dimensions and spaces and times.

Amy Babish:

And what I'm hearing is that your great great great grandfather might know the word alchemy. Like this is an alchemical magic.

Marie:

This is an alchemical magic.

Amy Babish:

The people in the upper echelons just said alchemy, but they left out the word magic.

Marie:

The people in the upper echelon said alchemy and they left out the word magic.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. What happens?

Marie:

He's Willing to trust that.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And what happens for the witch?

Marie:

She sees. She sees that any. Whatever it is, existence or state of being beyond indignation.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. And if it feels true, your great, great great grandfather can say to the witch, can you please forgive me?

Marie:

It feels true.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And is she able to forgive him?

Marie:

She is.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And when you're ready, you can say to both of them, I've been entangled in a very complex way with this whole situation.

Marie:

I have been entangled in a very complex way with this whole situation.

Amy Babish:

I'm taking my soul fractals back from both of you.

Marie:

I'm taking my soul fractals back from both of you.

Amy Babish:

I'm leaving all of the entangled entanglements around money, working hard, being seen, allowing the right people to see me in my work. I'm letting that being. Being dissolved by the fairy.

Marie:

Letting all of that stuff that you just said get dissolved by the fairy.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Yeah. She can do it. She can do it. Yeah. Yeah. And I would like to go back into this life fully.

Marie:

And I would like to go back into this life without these entanglements.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. I would like your blessing I would like your blessings from the fairy, the mayor and the witch.

Marie:

From all three of you.

Amy Babish:

And the Scottish shire.

Marie:

And the Scottish shire.

Amy Babish:

For clear and ease filled loan for our home away from home or a.

Marie:

Clear and ease filled loan refinance for our home away from home.

Amy Babish:

I would like to be able to fully embrace my relationship with my condo.

Marie:

I would like to be able to fully embrace my relationship with my condo.

Amy Babish:

The forgiveness that you two had has been entangled with me in the condo.

Marie:

The forgiveness that you two had, or lack of forgiveness, has been entangled with me and my current home.

Amy Babish:

We played out what happened in Scotland in your relationship with me and the condo itself.

Marie:

We played out what happens in Scotland in your relationship with me and the condo itself.

Amy Babish:

I would like that relation to relationship to be fully repaired.

Marie:

I would like for that relationship to be fully repaired.

Amy Babish:

And you can say whatever in your own words, Marie. Whatever you'd like to say. Like, I would like to be able to make money with ease.

Marie:

I would like to be able to make money with ease, greater ease. Through my own efforts. And I would also like to be able to receive money without any effort through unlimited sources and unlimited amounts.

Amy Babish:

And when it's the right time, I'd like to sell our condo.

Marie:

And when it's the right time, well, let's just say this first.

Amy Babish:

Okay?

Marie:

And when it's the right time, I would like to find loving tenants for our condo.

Amy Babish:

There we go.

Marie:

And when it's later, the right time, I would love to be able to sell our condo for an abundant price to people who will love it and care for it like we have. Yeah. Or better than we have.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. I will take the love that you both had for Scotland with me in all the places I love.

Marie:

I will take the love you both had for Scotland with me to all of the places that I live.

Amy Babish:

And I promise to remember my magic.

Marie:

And I promise to remember my magic.

Amy Babish:

That I am magic.

Marie:

That I am magic.

Amy Babish:

And there are no limits now on my ability to receive.

Marie:

And there are no limits now on my ability to receive.

Amy Babish:

Is there anything else you want to say to them or they want to say to you?

Marie:

Yeah. I want to say to my great, great, great, whatever grandfather that I became him as much as I became someone rejected by him, and that I don't have to do that anymore.

Amy Babish:

My life force went to you because of all this hardship.

Marie:

My life force went to you because of all this hardship.

Amy Babish:

And now I can see you don't need my energy anymore.

Marie:

Now I can see you don't need my energy anymore.

Amy Babish:

You're taken care of.

Marie:

You're taken care of.

Amy Babish:

Is there anything else?

Marie:

I want to thank the fairy for showing up so quickly.

Amy Babish:

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Marie:

And I want to wish them all peace.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. You can say I see you from my heart now.

Marie:

I see you from my heart.

Amy Babish:

And does it feel important, Marie, for you to go into your blood lineage and to allow this to filter through your blood lineage?

Marie:

Yes. And I would say lineages.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

Because, I mean, although this came through my maternal lineage, like, if I were to talk about this, like, from an intellectual standpoint, I would imagine the scarcity and lack to be even, like, more of an issue on my paternal.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. So when we do this work, the way that I explain is, like, you are. You are in the cosmic teacup of your bloodlineage in your tea bag, and you have so many herbs and wonderful things in this lineage. So we had to go outside to a bigger teacup in this other lineage of the witches. And so even though there was this beautiful kind of infinity loop with your bloodlineage, that doesn't always happen. The herbs that you now carry in your tea bag get to come back and steep in the. In the cup of your shared lineages of this lifetime. And so when we take our place in the lineage after you do something like this, that transmission can go backwards and forwards.

Amy Babish:

So I invite you to presence. Your mom behind your left shoulder and your dad behind your right shoulder. And you can face them and have however many ancestors behind them that are related to this.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And you can stand before them and say whatever you need to say in your own way of I thought it was you for such a long time.

Marie:

I thought it was you for such a long time. And I blamed you for it.

Amy Babish:

I'm sorry I kept you on the hook.

Marie:

I'm sorry I kept you on the hook.

Amy Babish:

I can see now that this is way, way more complex.

Marie:

I can see now that this is way more complex.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

I can see now that I really wanted somebody to blame.

Amy Babish:

You can say I was entangled and with another lifetime of someone who carried that too.

Marie:

I was entangled with another lifetime of someone who carried that too.

Amy Babish:

And what happens with your parents?

Marie:

They kind of become like bubbles.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Rather than like specific people.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. It's just their souls. You're speaking to their souls.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So you can say to them in your own way, I see you both gave me life.

Marie:

I see you both gave me life.

Amy Babish:

And now I can see you more as who you really are, two souls.

Marie:

And now I can see you more as who you really are as two souls, without rehashing my narrative about your scarcity based beliefs over and over and over again.

Amy Babish:

Because now I know they weren't just.

Marie:

Yours because now I know they weren't just yours. And the extent to which they were yours may not be the most important thing.

Amy Babish:

That's right. That's right. So you can say to them in your own way, can you accept my apology?

Marie:

I'd like to offer my apology.

Amy Babish:

And what happens?

Marie:

They receive it.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. And is there anything they want to say to you?

Marie:

They want to say that they know on some level that they brought their own entanglements into our relationship and they're sorry for that too.

Amy Babish:

Well done, parents.

Marie:

Yeah. Never would happen in real life.

Amy Babish:

This is on a different level.

Marie:

Yes. Or I should say, it never would happen on a different level.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So if you're ready, you can say to them, I'm ready to take my life back from both of you.

Marie:

I am so ready to take my life back from both of you.

Amy Babish:

And I'm ready. I'm ready to live on my own terms.

Marie:

I'm ready to live on my own.

Amy Babish:

Terms and have this radically different relationship.

Marie:

With money and wealth and have a radically different relationship with money and wealth.

Amy Babish:

And the flow of money and wealth.

Marie:

And the flow of money and wealth and the possibilities that are Available to me in relation to money and wealth.

Amy Babish:

And see if they can extend their blessing to you, Marie.

Marie:

They can.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And you can say to them, if you like to access what happened with great great grandfather and me, you can have that, too.

Marie:

If you would like to access what happened with great great great great great grandfather and me, you can have that, too.

Amy Babish:

Anybody who wants to receive it in those bloodlineages can. We're not forcing anybody. We're not convincing anyone. It's there if they want it.

Marie:

Yeah. I offer this to anyone in my blood lineages who wants it.

Amy Babish:

What happens.

Marie:

I think a lot of people want it.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. Yeah. So you can call the fairy and she can just do. Fairies can scale. Fairies can go, you know, nano to macro. The fairy can come and do how she does.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And create some real alchemy here.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And when that feels complete, we're going to bring you into your current condo, where you are in this recording. We're going to invite the fairy to come in. And if there's anything between you and your condo, I won't say his name out loud, but you can say his name to yourself. If there's anything that needs an additional kind of TLC or support, you can give the fairy permission to help with. With you, too.

Marie:

So I have a question for you.

Amy Babish:

Yes, yes, yes.

Marie:

Do I want to ask the condo what he thinks?

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

Okay. Needs additional help or support. Okay, let me. Let me try that.

Amy Babish:

He's been a part of all this in our hour together. He's like, oh, I didn't. I didn't see this coming. I can feel that from him. He's like. I can feel him thanking you. And you can say, what. What's unresolved between the two of us?

Marie:

It is unresolved between the two of us. So this. This feels more intellectual than anything else, but the condo is saying that I've got to sort out the rugs.

Amy Babish:

Oh, that's not. That's not intellectual at all. So this is where we're going to weave in. You know, sometimes we got to just pull all the tools in.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Tell me about the rugs, Marie. What does. What does he mean?

Marie:

So before the remodel, we had wall to wall carpeting, and it was ugly, but. And also like. Like, esthetically, like, I like the way hardwood floors with, like, area rugs look. But the wall to wall was awesome because it created like an acoustic cocoon, which is so important to me for so many reasons.

Amy Babish:

Yes.

Marie:

I have a loud husband who watches television, and he's like fucking deaf. And so we can coexist peacefully in our home with this cocoon carpeting. And after the remodel, we just had hardwood floors and it became this echo chamber. If somebody sighs, you can hear it across the house. Right? Like, never mind all the farting. Like, it's crazy. So we got like some rugs. But first of all, I, like, I've never, like, gone through the process of selecting area rugs before.

Marie:

And I was like, I don't know what's going to look good. Like, I don't know, like, how much do we want to spend on this? So it was a very piecemeal effort. And we didn't get rugs for every room in the house. So we have one rug that's okay. One rug that is awful. One rug that was awful. But then the dogs had some incidents on it. And so we got a replacement one, which is okay.

Marie:

And then the one that's in my office where I am right now, looked really cute online, but isn't cute in real life. And it's been, you know, it's been like almost two years since we got the last one. And I just haven't done anything about it. I've just been like, I don't want to deal with this. Like, I don't want to spend money on this. Like, I'm so mad about this. Like, why would I spend more money on it? And just on like a day to day, like, intellectual level, I'm like, yeah, I really need to do something about this. And in terms of like, how the house feels, feels like having like a better rug situation would make a big.

Amy Babish:

Difference also because your house is a family member. And so he's here.

Marie:

Yeah, yeah.

Amy Babish:

All of the tv, all the farting, all of the, like cacophony of whatever it is.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Your house, it's like, instead of seeing your house just as a house, it's like having a family member that be.

Marie:

Like, why are you doing this to me?

Amy Babish:

Can't you, can't you figure this out? Like, yeah, so that's like, that's the power of house therapy. It's a. Yeah, he's a family member and so he's like, this is like, really matters.

Marie:

You're not treating me well, you're not.

Amy Babish:

Treating all of us well. And like, this is a seemingly low hanging fruit, even though it's. It can be like an investment. Rugs also create the earth element, and the earth element is grounding. And you have a Chinese medicine background, so I know you know that's important.

Marie:

Right, Right, right. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, like, when we talk about it like this, it's like, oh, yeah, obviously. But for so long, it was just, like, unseeable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Amy Babish:

So it's like, we can say to your home, thank you for helping me see how important this is. Like, you want to feel better. I want to feel better. This is going to help us feel more grounded.

Marie:

Thank you for helping me see how important this is. I'm sorry it took me this long, but we're gonna do something about this.

Amy Babish:

And in the elemental cycle, when we have a really nourished earth, wood can come up.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And wood is related to wealth, and so you can intentionally anchor in the rugs. You choose. And if you need help with that, I have a house therapy peer. Her name is Abby Lane. Abby Lane charges very reasonably. Like, she's an interior designer, and she also is a house therapy feng shui expert.

Marie:

Interesting.

Amy Babish:

She can do a walkthrough. I don't know her. Her current rate, but it's. It's much less than mine because of my. My skill set's different.

Marie:

Sure. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

Amy Babish:

Abby would be someone who I'd highly recommend not just for Marie, for anyone on the show who's like, I struggle with interior design. Abby is wonderful.

Marie:

Interesting.

Amy Babish:

So if you need help like, that, she could help with, like, if you want to redo wall to wall or if you want to do mixing out, taking things out.

Marie:

Yeah. We're probably not going to do wall to wall again, but just putting in some new area rugs would go a long way.

Amy Babish:

I'm saying this for you and for your home. I can't say his name, but I feel like he needs to know, like, there's a concrete resource. I'm very practical at times, like.

Marie:

Yeah, yeah.

Amy Babish:

That she will find it at any price point. She's not going to find the most. Like, if you say, this is our budget, she will work with the budget. Okay. Yeah. So she's wonderful. Interesting. So is there anything else.

Amy Babish:

Anything else to help you and your home move forward? Anything else?

Marie:

So it's interesting. You and I talked about writing a letter to the house, and I just finished that two days ago, and I asked for. I said. Said a lot of things, and I said, you know, I want to repair this relationship, and if there is anything you want me to know or do in the service of repairing this relationship, please let me know in terms that will be unmistakable to me. Right. Yeah. I learned that. I learned that from someone Else.

Amy Babish:

Yes, of course.

Marie:

When we ask our dreams questions, please, dear dreaming self, please let me see the answer in terms that will be unmistakable to me. So I asked for that, and I don't know that I've received something that seems like an unmistakable response, but I will tell you that yesterday morning I was like, I'm listening, I'm listening. And two things happen that were really interesting. Three in. My first dog died in this condo. Yeah. Sweet, sweet poor baby. And we have his ashes in a thing on a shelf in the living room.

Marie:

And yesterday, when I was walking through the living room, the light was coming in at an. At an angle such that it just was hitting my dog's ashes and, like, where he sits on the shelf. And it just. It was like, huh, this is an arresting visual. And, like, there's something to this. Like, I don't. I don't know what this is in words, but this is interesting. Then yesterday afternoon.

Marie:

I live near a lake, and there are, like, birds at the lake. But it was, like, probably five years into living here that pelicans started coming to the lake. And I live near the ocean, so it's not like that shocking that there would be pelicans, but I'd never seen them before. And then ever since then, I've seen them every year at the lake, which is delightful. And this year, I hadn't seen them yet, but yesterday I went for a walk in the late afternoon, and there were pelicans at the lake, and they were just, like, doing all the cool pelican things. Like, there were so many of them, and they were like, flying and, like, diving into the water and like, doing all this stuff, and it was just like, wow.

Amy Babish:

Wow.

Marie:

Yeah. And then last night, I had a dream about. So I served in the Peace Corps, and I have dreams about, like, the Peace Corps all the time. Like, it's like. Usually it's like I've, like, signed back up. It's like I'm gonna, like. Like, I'm signing up now, like, many years later, and I'm like, wait a second. Like, do I really want to do this again? Like, that kind of thing.

Marie:

But last night, the dream was about this woman who was in my cohort who's died. Actually, she died, I don't know, two years ago. I mean, and she was, like, 46 or something like that, so. And there were all these spiders, and it was a kind of spider that I've, like, never seen in real life, but they were these, like, enormous spiders. And I was trying to get her to Help me, like, figure out what to do about that. And I was like, chasing them and like, trying not to, like, get close to them, but also, like, trying to squash them, and they kept eluding me. That's as much as I remember. It was.

Marie:

It was pretty crazy.

Amy Babish:

Okay.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So you're getting some animal. Animal medicine.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And so I'm sure you have associations to your dog that died. That was wonderful.

Marie:

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, he was like my first love, you know? Well, I mean, first like dog love. And he died pretty suddenly and it was a big surprise to us. Like, we didn't understand, like, what was going on until, like the day that we knew we had to put him down. It was just like, holy shit. Like, this is really bad. And so it. I have two dogs now and like, it's at the point where, like, my love for my two dogs is just.

Marie:

It's. It's. I no longer actively miss my old dog, but I did for a long time. So. Yeah, I mean, he's. He was such a special creature for sure, but I don't, I like, I don't like, think about him all the time anymore. So I don't have like a. An act of.

Amy Babish:

This is what, this is what I'm sensing from your home.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

When you asked for like, can we repair? I feel like he's telling you that our love goes. My love for you goes beyond the beyond.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And that's the first message. And then I don't know pelican symbolism, so I looked it up quite quickly.

Marie:

Oh, cool.

Amy Babish:

It's focus, patience and self initiation with style and flair too. I feel like that's what he's. He's like, we can, we can really make this work in abundance with like, with all the activity you saw, like in was like, it feels like joyful and exuberant like this, this revival can be amazing.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And then with the peace corn signing up, I can hear how much that was like such an impactful part of your life.

Marie:

Like, absolutely. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And it's like he's. He's asking you to sign up to make peace in a creative way. Spiders represent creatrix and like weaving new, new possibilities. Like, so it's like, I feel like that's his, His. His code to you.

Marie:

The message.

Amy Babish:

Yeah, the message. The three part code. It's like, I'm willing to do this. Like, I will love you no matter if you live here, if we have renters, or when you let me go. Like, I will always love you. I can feel that. From him.

Marie:

That's so nice.

Amy Babish:

And that, like, we gotta. We gotta put some elbow grease and, like, be intentional. Like, rugs number one matter.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Hashtag rugs matter.

Marie:

And.

Amy Babish:

And, like, let's. Let's let it be fun. Like, let your flair come through. Let, like.

Marie:

Yeah. Let's make this beautiful.

Amy Babish:

You're so fiery and, like, so decisive and, like.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Clear. Like, I feel like he wants your Marie-ness to really be a part of that process. Yeah. And he wants to delight in it.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Amy Babish:

Yeah.

Marie:

Yeah, me too.

Amy Babish:

So we have. We have journeyed through many realms, through many lands.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

How are. How are you feeling? Do you need a sip of water?

Marie:

I definitely need a sip of water. Let's do that.

Amy Babish:

I need some water, too.

Marie:

And I feel good. I feel. I feel good. I'll be really interested to see how this reverberates, but in the moment, I feel good. I feel like. Yeah, feels right.

Amy Babish:

So, you know. You know alchemical processes from your own experience. And just for the listener's sake, like, stay away from substances. Caffeine, alcohol, like, sugars. Like, you want to let this, like, course through your physical body.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

And then whatever way feels right for you to honor it. Like, you might do a ritual. You might write something. You might burn something as a way to, like, lock in your Marie-ness around it.

Marie:

Yeah.

Amy Babish:

It might be with a witch. It might be the fairy, might be their grandfather. It might be with your parents. Like, it might be all of it. And, like, it might be symbolic. You might use music. You get to decide. You get to create your own ending.

Amy Babish:

But I would say, like, we're taping this on a huge mercury cazimi day.

Marie:

I thought that was yesterday.

Amy Babish:

It's. It's this today.

Marie:

Oh, really? Oh, cool. Okay.

Amy Babish:

It's this arc.

Marie:

Okay, great.

Amy Babish:

Yes. So the communication around it, and you're such an exquisite communicator. Like, really, like, speaking your truth around it, I think will be important.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So you don't have to, like, complete it today, but we have this energy from today that's.

Marie:

I definitely. I have some time carved out this evening that I'm. I'm gonna do some fun stuff. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

Yeah. And do you have any questions before we close up?

Marie:

Not right now. I feel like this was awesome. It feels, like, super rich and also, like, complete. Yeah. And. Yeah. Thank you so much, Amy.

Amy Babish:

Thank you for trusting me, Marie, especially after the confused experience you had last year.

Marie:

Like, let me. Let me say this. Like, Amy, I really respect what you do, and I really like Trust your wisdom and your, what am I trying to say? Like, the, the layers of perspective and expertise that you bring into this. I don't say that about a lot of people.

Amy Babish:

I, I deeply respect that term because you, you like many of my clients, like, your, like, academicness, your precision is very precise.

Marie:

Like, it's that, but it's also like, I've been around the bend with, like, practitioners of all the different states, stripes, and like, some people don't really know what they're doing, and it's hard to be handled by somebody who doesn't really know what they're doing because you have to risk the trust.

Amy Babish:

Oh.

Marie:

If the relationship is going to work. But when you put trust in enough people that just don't know how to handle you, well, it's hard. It's like, it's a bummer. Right? And so it, it, it's always great to land on someone who is worthy of that trust.

Amy Babish:

Thank you. And I, and I have that shared experience of like, yeah, I know people have really good intentions and then, sure, they either, but that doesn't mean their work is good. Their work creates confusion or harm. And yeah, so many people pay the price. So thank you for, thank you for receiving this work. Clearly. Thank you for being willing to trust again. Yeah, it's not easy after you've been.

Amy Babish:

Oh, yeah, burned or wasted money or you name it around it. That's not easy.

Marie:

Yeah. And to everybody listening, like, I totally, like, see that as part of the process. Like, you know, sometimes when you trust, it's not going to work out the way you want it to. And, like, that's okay. That's okay. But we can, like, honor our, like, instincts and set different kinds of boundaries, but we also want to be able to trust again because that's the only way to find someone who's a good fit for you.

Amy Babish:

That's right. That's right. Yeah. In all kinds of ways.

Marie:

In all kinds of. Exactly, exactly. True of so many things in life.

Amy Babish:

So many things.

Marie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Babish:

So thank you, thank you, thank you to those who, who've listened to this episode. I hope that trust, money, wealth, limits home rugs, dogs, animal medicine, dreaming, lineage, witch medicines, the Scottish shire, mayors, soul, everything. I hope that you got exactly what you needed. Even if you feel like I don't really know what happened here, I know you got something that you needed and you can listen again at any time. And until we meet again, I send you so many blessings to you, your land, your home, your blood lineage, and your soul lineages. If you carry that, too. Thank you, thank you, thank you. That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary Podcast.

Amy Babish:

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