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SPEAKER_03 0:07

Welcome to another episode of the Modern Disciple Podcast. My name is Isha. It's your boy Mike. It's your boy Alan. How you guys doing? It's been a long time since us three have been here at the same time. You know, how you guys feeling?

SPEAKER_04 0:20

Man, it's been a while, but I'm excited to meet with you guys, especially some of the conversations we had today. I feel like it was some of the most longest and fruitful conversations we had this week. So I'm excited to meet with you guys today.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Feels good to be back. I've been MIA for the last two recordings. You know, just life. But I'm happy to be back talking to you guys once again.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Oh, for me, everything's going smooth. Just been a lot more tired. Don't know why. But yeah, we'll get it. Excited to start recording. I think after Easter, things kind of got hectic. Um, obviously there was Easter. Then after that was something else, I forgot what it was for you for us or for you guys. I think it was like the the school thing. Yeah, the school programs. A few worship nights. And and then last week for me, it was my brother's wedding. So that's another reason why I couldn't record. And then here we are. So it's not like we didn't want to record it. It was things that was out of our control, unfortunately. Um so with that being said, I'm gonna hand it over to Alan. We're gonna speak about a few things that he wanted to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

Alright, so to start us off today, I had a question for all of us to answer and to deliberate on. The question is what Bible character would you most compare yourself to and why? And who would you compare the other members to?

SPEAKER_03 1:47

You see. I haven't even even though we talked about this question, I I haven't actually thought about it. Yeah, I was gonna say you should kick us off because I'm definitely not ready. What Bible character would I think that I hey? I don't know. You guys should start off because you guys had more time than I did.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

I can say who I think I kind of compare to.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

I guess I would just say kind of cliche, but I'll say David. Because David's a musician, I'm a musician. Okay. And I feel like we deal with some of the same struggles when it comes to women, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

In that case, I'll compare it to Solomon. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

No, no, no, no, no. That's who I say, I'd be. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

You know, just to bounce off what he just said, I I briefly thought about it today, and that's actually what I was gonna say for you, funny enough.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

So you can I'll start out with that too. I was gonna say the same thing that I was comparing to David. Don't get too soup, but I was gonna compare you to David, especially because of the musician portion. I feel like that was what I first heard you even mention, like when I first like started to get to know you a lot. When you mentioned that you wanted to be like David in the sense of where when he played, he was able to cast out demons, was able to send tormented spirits away from Saul. So that's what I would compare you to, especially. I'll just start out then with Isha 2. Then I'll say who I like specifically thought about is Paul, just kind of like especially I wasn't killing people, I beg. I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah, I definitely I thought of Paul, especially because of knowing you the time I've gotten to know you, the 360, not a 360, but the 180 if you've you've done, I would say that's especially why. Where we've seen you from what you used to do and what you do now, I would say like it's a completely different person. I've seen instances where a lot of times people have called you back. Well, people have tried to like bring you back to old ways, people have pushed you to do old things, but you've remained steadfast in what you've become now, and even to the point where now it's like you're even teaching others to do the same. You're teaching others to become more like Christ. So that's why I would say Paul for you.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Yeah, I would say the same thing. Um, I haven't known Abe that long. I kind of met him after when he went from Saul to Paul. I didn't know him when he was Saul, but I knew him when he was Paul. But from what I've heard, what he's told me, what other people have told me, and seeing him now, I can see like a huge change, even though I didn't know him back then.

SPEAKER_04 4:33

Thanks, guys. And man, I haven't for myself, I actually did not think about it at all. I did not think about it at all, really.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

For you, actually, I like funny enough, I didn't really like think about all of this, but I thought about it like very briefly. Like like him, like how he said that it was David. That was spot on for what I was thinking about him as well. For you, I was thinking more so about like um uh uh what's his name? Gideon. Because we know that like at the start of the story, like from what we're told he was somebody who was hiding, but then the angel came to him and said, Oh, you're uh a uh a uh brave warrior. And I feel like to some extent that's you, like you kind of like shy away from doing certain things, or you're not as like confident when you do things, but it's like oh wow, like I see you, I'm like, oh wow, like this guy, like like this guy is actually like somebody who doesn't really see himself like the way that he's supposed to see himself.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

I see what you mean, especially I would say that comparison is right. I kind of thought about getting into yesterday a little bit because it's like people have kind of told me, and there's been confirmations where it's like there's like an outward role you're supposed to play. But when I first heard that, I was like, who? Me? I was like, Oh me, I'm supposed to be doing this, oh me, I'm supposed to be doing this. It was even Richard who had spoken, like, oh, let me know when when you're preaching. And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, and I was like, Me, I'm I was like, in my mind, I was like, Oh, I'll make sure it doesn't happen. But little do you know it, like it started happening like frequently, and I'm like, me, like, I feel like I'm someone who's like not as great as speaking as others, not as confident as others. So I was like, I was surprised to start seeing these things kind of happen. And I've I kind of compare it to like even like seeing some people kind of go through the same thing where like someone like Josh, I'm from the Deliver Children's podcast and other stuff, seeing people kind of go through the same thing, I feel like it's been reassuring. So I do agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

And it's interesting that like you say that, right? Because I feel like a lot of men of God that that that I'm kind of around, like, it's almost like a s like a switch. Like, and what I mean by that is they themselves, how they are on like a day-to-day or like our to our like they're like quiet people, they're like uh is it meek or mild or whatever? Yeah, like like they don't speak too much, but then when you watch them preach, uh teach, lead, like there's like a like a fire, and like how they speak, it's like it's not even them speaking for real. Yeah, and like that's I feel like that that's almost every like man of God that I that like I'm close with. Like if I even think about someone like um what's his name, Josh or um Tomiwa, like like when I see him, he's usually like reserved and like quiet, but like when I saw them on stage, I was like, wow, I was like, yeah, like these kids are like these kids are like 22, 23, and like they're doing big things, you know what I'm saying? And like even like me, like like who I am right now, like I'm more like of like a like I'm more quiet now, like I would say, but like when I'm like teaching people or speaking about the things of God, it's it's like a switch, like you know what I'm saying? So like and I would say it's probably the the same thing for you both as well. Like if you're like playing the keys like you're fit like you're feeling it, like you're really into it. If you're helping out in church or praying or like leading X, Y, and Z thing, it's like a switch that comes in. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 8:37

And it's I would say even like this podcast, because if you ask people around me, family that and tell them I'm doing a podcast, they wouldn't even believe you. They wouldn't even believe you because the way I am outside in church, I'm very quiet, very chill. So like I can see what you're saying where there's a fire that comes in between into you doing stuff like this, and I definitely feel it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

And it's interesting too like we we started hanging out, bro. I already have like a call for something in my throat, bro.

SPEAKER_04 9:07

Yeah, and it's like this game's affecting everybody, bro. Chill, chill. I'm the one I even I look like I'm not sick right now, so can't lie if you get me sick. I never get it. I'm not sick, bro. But I was even gonna say, like, I immediately thought of like when I forgive me, I don't have the verse, but it was just paraphrasing it, it was this the Pharisees had seen that they had been with Jesus in reference to Peter and them.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Okay. I don't know exactly where it is, but I believe I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

And it's it's just like I feel like that's like that time with Jesus, that time that you spend with Jesus, it's not you can't hide it. It will always like bring it to light, it'll always embolden you, it'll always bring you to a way where like you weren't expected to be at.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

And it's so interesting that you say that. This is like going off topic, but do you guys feel like there's certain places or certain things that people don't say around you anymore, or like certain places that like they don't invite you to because like not to say like you're more holy than them or anything like that, but like they they'll keep you out of certain like talks and conversations or like not invite you to certain places because maybe they feel like you'll judge them, or maybe it's really like the like the God in you that's kind of like if you're there it'll convict them. Yeah, you're literally a convict. Yeah. Cause I've I've I've never really experienced that until now. Like last week, um something was supposed to happen. And they were inviting everybody else, and then when it uh came to me, they was like, oh, like uh, I'm not going to invite you because um something like I don't think that you would um wanna come anyway because of what we're doing there. And I was just like, hmm, like it's it's kind of like an honor, I guess, but it's also like not saying that I would even want to be there in the first place, because I probably wouldn't have gone, but it's also like wow, like I don't know if it's God trying to separate me from doing things, but it kind of feels like it kind of feels weird. I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_04 11:45

I know what you're saying. It's like you literally become like like we were talking about being that advertisement of Christ, and how when we in the previous episodes we spoke about how like you being a Christian, it should be even more obvious than someone wearing a hijab. And this is literally what we speak about where it's like people can set people can feel like the Holy Spirit in you. People sense a presence within you. So whether it's whether you're wearing a Jesus shirt or you're wearing just plain clothes, people can tell you're a Christian. And ultimately, people feel uncomfortable if they're not doing right. Because when you're walking in a room of darkness, they see there's a light walking in. So what do they do? They start to hide their their stuff, they start to hide their ways, they start to, I don't know, suddenly like they clean themselves up.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

For me, I've noticed at work, even like certain jokes they won't make when I'm there. Or they'll stop talking about certain stuff when I'm there. Like, oh Alan's here, don't talk about that, don't make those jokes. And I guess it's just because of how I act, how I speak, how I walk. They know I'm I go to church every Sunday. Yeah, they know I'm playing at worship programs all the time, so they won't even make certain jokes around me.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Funnily enough, even a question that you say that, like, even at work, we talk about like they be talking about how like they be going out to like the bars and stuff. I usually like it's something that no one ever asked me, like, personally. It's always like in a chat that they're asking about it. And I even got convicted one day because I was like, I would say this was a time where I was like in a how can I like a rut kind of thing. So I was walking like back to the garages with a co-worker, and he asked me if I was gonna go. And immediately that he asked me that, I don't know, I was offended. Like in my mind, I was offended because like that's something not even like that, not even like that, but in two years of asking, like, this is something a question that no one has ever really even asked me personally, and even asked me, oh, if I'm gonna drink with them. So I was like, dang, I must like this show. But I was like, oh, this is truly like God's telling me, like, get back in the groove of things. You're slipping.

SPEAKER_03 14:02

That's a great way to look at it though. And and like even with what Alan said too, like, I work remote, so so I haven't ever like met my actual like um boss or colleagues in person, but like even my uh boss, right? She like she swears a lot like a lot. But ever since I like joined the team, like whenever she swears and all that kind of stuff, uh she always says, Oh, sorry, Abe, sorry, Abe. I'm like, I'm like, oh wow, like like you, like I don't know if it's my face that shows it, but like when like she swears, like she always apologizes to me and like I and I don't know why. But um, what was the I think you had another thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, I had a another, not a kind of question, yeah. Yeah. Kind of like a dilemma slash question. But um, the question is if a person is gifted and anointed, but their character is questionable, should they still be leading?

SPEAKER_03 15:09

It's because I have a specific situation, but you know when people wouldn't know what you're talking about? So it's kinda like, I don't want like I'm trying to use their situation without using the specific situation. If someone is gifted and anointed but has characters.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Would you say David's character was questionable? Or he just makes mistakes. I would say he made mistakes. But his character is not questionable though.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

But I'd say his character may I I feel like they're kind of the same thing because at the end of the day, like the only thing that separated him was the fact that he loved God a lot. If you if David didn't love God as much as he did, he would be a questionable person. He literally sent somebody to go and die after he slept with the man's wife and and he impregnated her. Is that not questionable? What's happened in today's age is he's finished. That's why I'm like social media's killing him, bro. But like, what do you mean by by the question though? Like, is it like uh position in church or just like overall life? Like, what is like what do you mean? Yeah, in church. So let's let's say worship leader, pastor, and like he slept with somebody's wife type of situation.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Whatever situation is, but you could they have anointing when they're singing or or pastoring, but their c their character is questionable.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

Let's say they'd have to face the consequences of whatever action they do, but I don't think it necessarily means like from now on they're like shunned or they're being like banned.

unknown 16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:48

Because ultimately, like the only thing humans can do at our level is kind of punish them for a certain period of time. But when it comes to like the heart thing, like they can literally be repent, fully repented the next day and good with God. But on for us, we don't like we don't know. And of course, the person who's has been offended or the person who's been affected, that person's healing process, that person forgiving them, it's like it's not on their terms. So I would say I would say you can because ultimately humans can make mistakes, but if it's something that's repeated, if it's something that's been addressed in private, it's still being done, then that's where like more action has to be taken. I would say.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

I I'm kind of trying to think of it from like the most extreme cases, being like, okay, let's say there's like a man of God in a church, he's a prophet, he's this, he's that, he does a lot of things in the church, right? But he has certain sins or or things that he cannot let go of. I think for sure there should be consequences of something like that, and for sure he should be reprimanded for the things that he's doing. However, it's it's it's like you said, it's not the the job of the church to shun because God wouldn't shun people. But there like even with God, there's consequences to the things that you're doing. So I believe that definitely you should be held accountable. Whether you are like an elder and you lose that elder status or whatever, that one I don't really I I I think for some time maybe you should be suspended, honestly. But in terms of being like kicked out of the church or or being looked at differently, that one I don't think so. Because if if God put a highlight on on all of our sins that so everybody can see that, oh, you you do this, you do that, you do this, you do that, then all of us would be like literally as ashamed as the person who now got caught. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like with that, yeah, uh they they should definitely face some kind of consequences with when it comes to things like that, but that I don't think they should be shunned. They should probably get some kind of help.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Yeah, I think especially if it's a like it's something that's a pattern, something that they're not repenting from. Because these something like that would be private first and then before it gets to other people. And in Matthew, when we spoke about how like how to reprimand her brother, wasn't it first to speak to that brother in private for him to fix that issue if he doesn't escalate it to the church comes in, the church leadership. If that person still refuses, then that's where that person would be. It's off your hands at that point, then that person would be left to Satan. So I ultimately think that's the solution. I even seen, funnily enough, I seen one example on Instagram where um a group of instrumentalists, I guess, were whatever actions they were doing outside of church, when they when they came into the church, basically like whatever they were doing outside of church was distracting the actual worship going on in church.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 20:05

Like people was basically wasn't feeling what they were doing.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

So So like would it be like them like being people that smoke, drink, clubbing, and all that kind of stuff outside of church, and then they would still play in the church?

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Let's say some it that was that like that. So when they played, let's say the spiritual awareness wasn't there in them in moments of worship or moments of praise. And the church had taken that group and like literally like banned them for some weeks, and had um like instrumentalist service. And people were talking about how like service went on, like service started to like change, like changes for the better because of that.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

And like even with that, like some people might look at it like oh, like you need them to be in the church for the instrumental, this, that, and the third, blah blah blah blah. Like we we like it's nice that we do have those people in church, but we don't we don't need that in the church though. Like essentially, like it's nice to have instruments, but it's not needed. Like the only thing that's needed is the word, honestly, and that's yeah, in the body, and that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Well, that's gonna lead to my next question because it's kinda on the same topic. That's my last one. If a church has powerful worship but weak teaching, is it healthy to stay?

SPEAKER_03 21:35

Powerful worship worship weak teaching, is it healthy to stay? So I'm still growing to an extent as well, right? So what like how how I think about that question is okay, like what ex like like if we're to describe the church itself, uh obviously the church itself. Is comprised of people that believe in Christ and and and wear the body of Christ, right? Worship comes into a play, but what's the like the goal of the church itself? Like what would you guys say?

SPEAKER_04 22:14

The goal of the church itself.

unknown 22:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

When you say church, you mean like the body or like the building itself, like a church?

SPEAKER_03 22:28

So your question is kind of both, like the building and the people who are inside of the building. So that's what uh that's what I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

I was say to edify its members and to grow to bring others into the body of Christ.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

So then would you say that the word and and obviously like the worship that we're talking about is music. Yeah. There's obviously like just actually worshiping God, and I feel like you can do that through the word. So would you say that the the the word itself is means more than the music that we're hearing? I I think they're all even. You think they're all even?

SPEAKER_04 23:14

I want to say this, yeah. Necessarily a hierarchy to any of it, but I would say that I just I don't know. I was thinking like, are those things can those things possibly be mutually exclusive?

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Like because to his question, how I'm thinking about it is I would put the word here, because the word is the most important thing, like, in my opinion. After that, like, yes, like music is important. We know that even in heaven, like we'll be singing. So I'm I I'm trying to think of okay, like if the word is lacking and the music is good, I would first find out why that is and why, like, like is it like a doctrine issue? Is it we like they haven't studied the word enough? Is it that um uh uh the church itself overall is is just more spiritual and more into like the musical or worship aspect than actually the word? If so, then we you would have to find a way to fix that. I don't know if I would leave off the bat, but but but if I don't see a change and I see that it's kind of a structural issue issue within the church and how the church is is founded and made, then I would leave. Because I think that the word takes precedent over precedence over everything else.

SPEAKER_04 24:42

I see what you're saying. I was kind of looking at as if too is like when we speak about church also, and we're speaking about the actual like going the building once a week, that's only like let's say two and a half hours out of each week. I feel like if we're dependent on the word on that day, specifically only as a like supplement to Christians, it's not really enough. But there should be like outside things also to contribute to that. And I do think the body of Christ has a has like a a responsibility to do that with weekly programs, like when we we look at the church in Acts, it wasn't just once a week there was a meeting and Peter will s stand on the pillar and preach, and then that was it, everyone went home and came back the next week. This was something that was every day. So if that's the case, then yeah, I see what you're saying where the teaching if the teaching is lacking, then it's it has to be like a a doctrine issue, has to be a deeper issue because that would mean that there's more preparation time put in in the during the week in music than actually teaching.

SPEAKER_03 25:55

Because even oh, I hate when I lose my train of thought. Never mind. Oh Jesus Christ. You can keep talking about that.

SPEAKER_04 26:05

Oh no, that was like the end of my thought. Well, what did you think, Alan?

SPEAKER_00 26:09

Yeah, I feel like I mean obviously I wouldn't leave right away. And I I can see where the Abe's coming from, where the word takes uh precedent over the worship. But I think the worship plays a very important part too, because I feel like breakthroughs and changes can be broken through worship as well as the word. I feel like I honestly I don't I don't feel like um I feel like sometimes we box God to where it's like oh you go to church, open in prayer, uh praise and worship the word, and then you go home. I feel like that's not always how God wants. I feel like sometimes God can be moving through praise and worship, we should just praise and worship the whole day and go home. So I think Yeah, you like Mike said, you have to do your own work at home. But I think the word should be important in church as well. So if you're not getting a good word, you should try to fix it first of all. If you have to, maybe you should leave and find somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Because even how I was thinking about it is in the Bible it says faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, right? It doesn't say through anything else besides the word of God. So those people who maybe are just church goers and don't read the Bible as often, maybe they're just literally one sermon away from from from certain things being revealed to them. Don't know if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Yeah, like under Gainer.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

But like Yeah, let's say that the word that week was just so good that now that they've been in church, let's say they've been in church for 18 years and they haven't ever heard a sermon that good because the word has been weak for 18 years, but then they finally hear a word that's that's actually speaking to them, and then as a result, they've never been the the same since that preaching. That's kind of how I was thinking about it when we're speaking about the word because I feel again I'm I feel like the word is the most important thing. Everything else, okay, sure. Like the fellowship aspect, good that was supposed to have worship, important, we're supposed to have that. Um, what else we're supposed to have in the church? Like gifts and all that kind of important, but everything happens solely because of the word, like all of that follows because like after the word, yeah. So that's kind of why I'm like I'm thinking about the way that I'm thinking about it.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

That's that's all I have. So, with that being said, we're gonna go into our main topic. It says, So, this episode, we wanted to primarily just talk about um discipleship. And I'm gonna read from Matthew 18. Jesus came and told his disciples, I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you and be sure of this. I am with you even at the end of the age. Amen. Amen. So, one thing that that I like I've been having a problem with. Like, obviously, I grew up in the church, my dad's a pastor. Um, and I spent a lot of time in the church physically, right? But obviously, it wasn't until like 2022 when I actually, you know, gave my life to Christ and started walking as a Christian, right? But the thing that I've kind of noticed is, and it's not even just my church, right? It's a lot of different churches there. They're locking the discipleship aspect, right? Because what happens, okay, we've we've won a soul, right? How do we make sure that that soul is continually being fed? Because for me, I feel like when I gave my life to Christ, it was like I was doing everything by myself, reading by myself, understanding by myself, and not to say I I I didn't have people around me that I could have asked, yeah, but I feel like there also kind of has to be like a reaching out and be like, oh, like shh showing that you're caring about like your youth and and and and and discipleship. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_04 30:44

I completely agree because we're in the reality where a lot of Christians are churchgoers, a lot of Christians don't pick pick up the word weekly, like during the week. A lot of Christians are Sunday to Sunday, really, and then they go home and do their own thing. I was even watching today, funnily enough, as like we're kind of like preparing for this, I was watching a sermon by Apostle Selman, and he spoke about how it's so funny how in the secular world you could compare it to let's say if you take three doctors in the same area in function, you can ask, you can pretty much like speak with them and they'll all be like about the same level in in the when it comes to um their knowledge in that area. But when it comes to three Christians, at a certain point, you take three different Christians and you speak to them, and it's like it's like as if they're all different religions. So there's truly like a lack of understanding and discipleship when it comes to the body of Christ. Especially in like today's age, where it seems like young people are just doing like whatever. And some things they're doing it out of zeal. Like we talked about the worship nights and stuff like that. Some things are being done out of zeal, but when it comes to the actual understanding behind it and the effectiveness of those things, it's like dramatically reduced because there's a lack of discipleship from seniors.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Do you guys feel like it it starts at home though? Because, for example, uh the kids that I kids, what can I ask? What was that? What kind of accent was that? Um the the kids that I teach, right? The first time I started teaching them, like I asked them, I was like, okay, like how many of you like actually read your Bible like outside like outside of me like teaching you guys? And some of them raised their hand, and then I asked, okay, how many of you read with like your mom and your dad, and if so, how often? And not a lot of them raise their hand. And I feel like discipleship literally like starts at home, like especially us as like men who have families like one day and wives one day, like you should be able to disciple your wife, and your wife and you should be able to uh disciple your children. But I feel like in a lot of families that's not happening, whether it be oh, like uh uh uh the parents work 18 hours like every like two days, or or like they just work non-stop, but yet like they're they're kind of not prioritizing the word so the kids don't prioritize the word, and by the time these kids reach a certain age, they're influenced by X, Y, and Z things, and then when people ask them why you're a Christian, there's no they can't even express themselves as to why they're they're a Christian. And then with now being as though there's so much technology here and there and there, like you can formulate like a whole idea. Like how like um Alan said he has somebody who who's picking things from like from this, from that, from this, from that, like like how like how can that be?

SPEAKER_00 34:04

So yeah, it definitely starts in the household. I'll say for me growing up, um, yeah, I was I don't say forced, but I was forced to go to church every Sunday. But there was no like Bible studies or morning devotion in my house. I would say my my my mom, she's very prayerful, which I think is a lot of the reason why I'm here and I I found Christ found Christ in myself. But I think it definitely starts at home because there's a lot of youth nowadays, like if you ask them about doctrine or Christianity theology, the only way to answer any of your questions is that they can't tell you why Jesus is God, they can't tell you what the Trinity is, they can't some of them can't even tell you even some main Bible verses. So I think it all starts at home.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Train your kids in the way they should go, they'll never depart. I used to hear that all the time as a kid. So I definitely agree. It's it's even crazy because you we see the result now where it's like it's kind of easy to like we're in an information age where it's so easy to hear different ideas, different like hear misinformation, hear different facts. And this is where we see Christians kind of developing their own ideology. There's like there's like different truths outside of the actual word of God.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

And I even think that like so if I'm not being discipled correctly, and I have access to Chat GPT, uh, all these AIs, I have access to Instagram reels, I have access to uh uh uh TikTok live when someone's asking me, oh, like uh let me pray for you, and things like that, right? If if if I'm not being taught properly at home, I'm going to get my my ideas and the things I think from other people rather than be able to formulate like my own ideas and my own thoughts about uh being a Christian. Um and then I start to pick things up from online, whether it's right or or wrong, or without actually having to do the work by reading my Bible. I'm just plucking grapes from here, from here, from here, from here. Yeah. And that's something like that's a big problem as well. Like to go back onto the main like topic. That's a problem that I personally have with with with the church as a whole is well, let me not say the church as a whole because I don't go to um anybody else's church besides my own, um, is the discipleship aspect, right? How can like, especially in an in an age like this where there's so much misinformation, right? How can you not try to teach kids or teach younger adults to to stay in the right way and not stray away? But then when they stray away, you you you get upset or or you look at them funny, but they they were never guided in the right way. Especially with what we just read, it it says, uh, therefore go and make disciples of all nations. Yes, you have won the souls for I don't even know if that's even like considered winning a soul if like they're not staying in the faith because you've preached the word to them and you're not doing anything after that, like any action items to nurture them and to make them understand why being a Christian is true, why Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and it and the life. But as a result, you baptize them in the water, you're a Christian now. End of story. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 38:01

It's crazy because I literally thought of first Corinthians while we were reading, where it's like you take baby Christians, and if you don't nurture them, you leave and come back, and they're all over the place. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

And it's true because how many like people have grown up in the church yet don't even know anything about being a Christian? Yeah. Like, like you just were born into the church, you were just grown you you've grown up as a Christian by name, but because nobody's ever spoken to you about the things that you you should do, or like even answered your questions or or or or or showed you places in the Bible where it says X, Y, and Z things, right? One thing I love about our generation and under is we like we ask questions. I feel like my brother's like um generation, like he's like 40 years old, like they were like, especially as like as like Africans, right? They were always taught to, oh, don't ask questions, your your elders know more than you, so don't ask them this, don't ask them that. And then as a result, I feel like even that in itself has has kind of trickled down to the whole discipleship thing as well.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

I kind of see where we're at. Like the point we're at now is like, do you feel like there's a foundation, right? And then there's nothing built on it. I feel like that's how it is kind of now with discipleship.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

It's not there is no there really isn't no foundation. If there is a foundation, they wouldn't be able, they wouldn't waver away. Or it's not deep into the ground. Okay, I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Because even like how many adults themselves in your churches actually like truthfully, like you can say that, oh, like if I was to ask this auntie and uncle about what it says in in uh in um Matthew 28, like actually understand or no. I feel like for me, there's there's probably only of a few that I can go up to and ask and speak to. And I think even with that, that comes down to they were they were never shown, so how can they show me? You know what I'm saying? And then as a result of them not knowing, and then because I'm asking people that don't know, now God forbid somebody like me stays in the same spot, and then the next uh uh um set of people come. Now I have nothing to teach them because of the fact that I was never taught. While I do agree that the the the info right now is out there more than ever, and you just have to seek it, there is still a part that comes in with discipleship because again, you don't want to pick up the wrong information.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

I definitely agree with that. I think I feel like so the way in my church when I was baptized, we had like some classes. I don't really remember too much, but I remember my pastor talking to us about uh Genesis 3.15 and how that was a prophecy about Jesus. That was the first time I heard that was like 13 or 12. But after that, there was not much after that. And thank God I was I studied in my own and learned on myself because if not, like someone from like someone who knows our learning better than us, like someone Muslim who knows Christianity better than us, if we don't know, they'll come to us and ask us questions, and you won't be able to answer it. And you'll be like, wow, like why do I believe in this? And that's how I feel like a lot of people are lost and end up following other religions, leaving Christianity, because they weren't taught the basics. So when people come to ask them questions, they can't answer them. Then they go to ask somebody, oh, why are you asking me this? Oh, I don't know the answer either. So why why would I why should I believe in this if I can't get answers?

SPEAKER_04 41:53

It's crazy because I was gonna say that they were given, I was gonna say kind of the opposite, not the opposite, but they were given the like basic things. But when it came to actual things that they can like kind of take a hold on to their faith, they didn't, they weren't given that. And I kind of say that, for example, like the Sunday school example you gave. So many children grow up in the church, but they get maybe it's because we see children as like not being able to understand certain things, but we give them like nursery rhymes and things like that. When it comes to actual things of why do I believe in Jesus, what did Jesus even come to do? Why did Abraham do this? Why did Moses do this?

SPEAKER_03 42:32

I'm gonna say something because they're gonna laugh. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

They they don't they don't know that, and maybe I think it's from a place where we look at the children and it's like, oh, they won't understand it if we give them that. But later on, by the time they're like 13, 14, where the the ideas are really like starting to flow, the curiosity is starting to flow, this is where they start to get lost, where it's like this thing is just like a way of life for me. It's not really something I believe in, but it's just a routine thing of my life going to church, going home, and then I go and do my own business after.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

And the thing is, like, how like how how are you 15, 16, 17, 18 plus, and when I ask you, okay, who's Jesus? You told me that you don't know. So, like, and honestly, I don't I I honestly truthfully don't even really blame the kids. I I actually I actually don't blame the kids. I I do not blame them because yes, there's Sunday school, but Sunday school is three hours out of the 180 hours or like however much hours is in the week. I I I think it's 180, 120, something like that.

unknown 43:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

So if I'm your Sunday school teacher and and I have you for three hours out of 120, what are you doing for the other 120? You're you're either at school, which I get in school, you you don't get taught that, but the rest of the time you're most likely at home. So So what's mommy and daddy teaching you at home that you don't know who Jesus Christ is, and your mom and dad are are churchgoers and they come every Sunday, and yet you you can't even ask, you can't even say, okay, like Jesus Christ is is is X, Y, and Z thing. And one thing that I've noticed is they also give answers based off of things that they've heard, not based off of things that they actually like understand or feel, or like they can't formulate like thoughts by themselves because they've been so glued into their phone and and things that they've just heard other people say. So it's it's sad that that kids aren't being taught just from being at home. Like if your mom and your dad are like literally like prophets, elders in the church, deacons, this, that, and the third, but yet you you like you as their kid cannot answer who Jesus Christ is. Like, like what are they like what are you like what are you doing? What are you doing at home?

SPEAKER_04 45:07

It's it's to a point too where like there's simple things that can like that the Bible, like there's simple answers that the Bible have, but these are the answers that people are like losing their faith for. Like something as simple as the promise Jesus that the promise that God gave them to not flood the earth again. I had a friend who like back at URI when we were when we were talking about like our like religion, how we grew up and what like we believe. He told me that he believed that right now, as of now, he believed that right now earth is hell, and it's a training ground for us to get to heaven, that God will come and flood the earth again, and that those who are those who are good will will basically be taken every like everyone will die, but though the good the good will go up to heaven, then the the bad will have a chance to try again. Wow, this is level one. So it's like and it's like this is something that can be debunked so easily, yeah. But everyone has he has he's taken like stuff from here, he's taken stuff from there, and he's put it all together, and it's like this is what makes sense to me. And ultimately, I couldn't really like blame him because he wasn't put on the right path as a kid.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

I think that's also why it's so important for us to know our religion too and know our word. Because in that instant, that was a chance for you to obviously honestly debunk him, but teach him. Because I I've been I remember a few years ago I was talking to my manager about free will, I think. Yeah, I think it was free will. He was trying to say we don't have free will because God knows everything. But knowledge is not causation. Just because God knows what's gonna happen doesn't mean he's making us do it. We still make our own choices. But I wasn't able to explain that to him a few years ago. And after I felt convicted, because I was like, why can't I explain that to him? So, which is what made me want to learn, what made me get into my word. So I think we should be ready to there's a verse that says we should be ready to defend what we believe. I think it's 1 Peter 3 15, I think. Yeah, 1 Peter Peter. 1 Peter 3. We should always be ready to give an apology, give an give an explanation. Yeah, yeah, something like that. And that that verse is very true. We should we should always be ready no matter what the situation is. Even recently at work, I was talking to a guy who used to be a Jehovah's Witness. He grew up Jewel's witness, but he I think he left it. And I was he was asking me questions, and I was explaining to him the Trinity, and he was you can tell he thought something about it, but he didn't really know what it was, so he he kept misunderstanding it while I was explaining to him. But because I've studied on my own and got the knowledge, I was able to answer his questions. So we have to be ready to defend our faith at any time.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Especially when it comes to this Bible, especially those who say they are Christians, when you give them sound doctrine from straight from the Bible, it's something that they can't really they can't deny there.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

And and like even with that, it's so interesting because like there's a few podcasts that I I um listen to and then outside of that, obviously like my own research and things to understand the certain like certain context of things, right? Like like there's there's so much truths in the Bible. Obviously, it's all true, but certain things that people argue and and like fight about, there's literally like like there's even science to like back it up. The only way that you're not understanding is literally if you choose not to, or or or or or if God has chosen for your heart to just be hardened so that you just don't understand. Because certain things, it's so easy to go and just Google it, or just go and read them and be like, okay, like here here's the context for this. Okay, I don't really understand this. Is this true? Okay, there's science to back this up, there's history to back this up as to why it's true. So it's really just like if you don't want to understand, it's really the only reason why you won't understand.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Yeah, so yeah. I think someone even told me before he became a Christian, he's a new Christian that when he was he used to be like one of the spiritual people. And he said when he would shirt stuff up with the mindset that it was true, he would find what he wanted to find. Exactly. Yep. Yep. That's that's that also proves to your point.

SPEAKER_04 49:50

Yeah, that's this algorithm, this algorithm, algorithm like time that we're in, everything like you want to believe, you will believe it. Because you'll just get fed that message over and over again. You'll find it, yeah, yeah, for sure. Even how like Chat GPT can align its answers to like answer how you would want it to be answered. So now we see videos of Muslims searching up things on on chat. Oh, like what's the most likely religion? It'll say Islam, they'll take it, and then they'll run to social media with it. So that's what we're seeing now.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

I just want to say the verses. First Peter 3 verse 15. But in your hearts, honor Christ, the Lord as holy. Always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you. Yet do it with gentleness and respect.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

That was the verse I was talking about. Read that last part again.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Um I'll just read the whole thing again. Okay. But in your hearts, honor Christ, the Lord as holy. Always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for for a reason for the hope that is in you. Yet do it with gentleness and respect.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

So, with that last part, how do you guys feel about like apologetics? Like like like people who who try to win souls but don't win souls in a way where it says, uh But do this. But do this in a gentle and respectful way. Keep your conscience clear. Then if people speak against you, they will be ashamed that they see what a good life you live because you belong to Christ. But I think I was having that conversation with you about people doing things like eating the Quran, right? We don't believe in that, sure, but like even the message you may be preaching might be true, but the way in which you're preaching it may be drawing somebody away from Christ.

SPEAKER_04 51:55

Ultimately, you're stooping. I think ultimately you're stooping to the level of you're stooping lower even to the level of the people you're trying to get. Because ultimately the motivation of even like giving your apology, giving your explanation of the hope of your faith is to win that person's soul. So anything outside of that is doing it for the wrong reason.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Because I feel like yes, you're trying to bring Christ to this person, but you're not only have to preach the word to them, you also have to act and look like Christ. Like, yes, we knew like Christ and and the disciples weren't no like pushovers and things like that for sure. I I 100% agree with that, but they weren't going around doing certain things to kind of provoke people, I guess I would say. But they were also doing it in a res it really respectful sometimes. It had if like Jesus was calling them dogs and brutal vipers and things like that, yeah, sure. But like I don't like like strongly in me, I don't believe that Jesus would want me to to to to like set a uh a uh uh uh uh hijab on fire, do this, do that, do that. Like, like I don't I believe strongly in my heart that Jesus wouldn't want me to do that.

SPEAKER_04 53:26

In that context where he's calling them basically like kind of what they are, it was those aren't people who are like trying for an really an answer on your whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

No, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

Yeah, I agree. I agree. Those are those who have whose hearts have already been hardened to a point where they're they're done.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Like they won't change their ways. The only thing I would say is because I know what you're talking about, and in the context of those situations, I'm not saying what they're yeah, what they're doing is not right, but it's not unprovoked, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's unprovoked, but I still don't think it's not right, it's still not right, yeah. Even like that person we're talking about, like I I don't even I have questions about his alignments still right now, but ultimately, like I feel like if you're not doing whatever you're doing, if it's not backed by the wisdom wisdom of the Holy Spirit given giving it to you, if it's not led by the Holy Spirit, then you're just doing it for like for no reason.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Because the Holy Spirit's not telling you to do that easily.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

I'm I'm so sorry that I I don't believe that because ultimately, even someone who sees like my thing always about that is that let's say I'm a Muslim and I see that whatever you say from that point on turns me off. I'm not listening. I'm not listening to anything you're saying after that. Like, I'm not how can you do that and then tell me to like about the Bible? I'm not gonna listen.

SPEAKER_03 54:50

Exactly. And like it's even like uh me and my uh uh fiance had an argument this week, right? And and and the thing that she said to me, like, like I was already upset. Like what she was saying wasn't anything bad, it was good and it was helpful. But because of the fact that I I was already upset, all of the good things that she was saying, I was not listening to her anymore. Because of the fact that I was already provoked, I was already mad. Yeah, so that's kind of the same thing. Like, how like how can you expect to win a soul when when okay, now you've already caused them to not listen to what you're saying because of how you're behaving.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

I see what you're even saying. Because if you don't, if you don't use mess wisdom to deliver a message, exactly, like that message that you're intending to get, the person's not gonna listen to it. That's why even the Bible even speaks about like nagging, for example, like that's something like you may the message may be right, but ultimately the way it's delivered the will really show whether that person will take that message or not. So I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

So to kind of get us back on topic as to what we were talking about before, and and and then we'll close out. So what do you guys think that the church can do to to kind of even like help like us like in terms of discipleship, like what would you guys want to see like in order to be discipled uh correctly?

SPEAKER_04 56:27

I would say ultimately the body of Christ has to go back to being the body of Christ. I would say that especially here in America, a lot of Christians come here and they're just so consumed with work, they're so consumed with their own issues that the body of Christ starts to become like disunited. Is that a word? Like the unity in the body of Christ starts to dissipate. So everyone's so worried about themselves that other people are going through this and no one's worried about it. Church at that point becomes that we come Sunday, we leave, we all go back to our own stressful lives, and it's done. But I especially felt like when we were younger, there was a sense of community. That sense of community is gone now. So now this auntie that may be going through this, or this person that's going through this, because we don't even talk to each other in the mid midweek, we don't care about each other's problems. Now it's like it's as if we're just colleagues in the body of Christ.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Do you think that's actually the case, or do you think that because we're older now, we hear and we see more? You know what I'm saying? Because even now, like when I was a kid, there was a lot of things that I didn't know, I didn't hear, I didn't know that this auntie and this auntie had beef. I didn't like I didn't know any of that. But now that I'm older, I can see things, I'm more attentive to certain things, or like I hear more. But when I was a kid, I was just a kid, like like everybody was was cool to me when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

Yeah, I can't lie. There's stuff like one of my uncles they'll tell me, like, what was happening to church? You don't remember? Exactly, exactly. I was a kid. I was like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 58:17

There's always like there's always gonna be issues like among people because we're just humans, but I just even mean like even meeting during the week, church shouldn't be something that's only three hours a week.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

And it's true because when when I was a kid, we were in church on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. Yeah, exactly. And just because we just wanted to go. Yeah, I would walk from my house on on Ford Street all the way to church. And that's like three or four miles. If I did that, I'll probably drop dead now. But but but like we like I I did that just just because I wanted to come to church.

SPEAKER_00 59:00

No, yeah. My church we used to have youth meetings on Saturday, and my church is right next to Wendy's, so it was like a tradition to go to church, go to Wendy's, come back, eat in the church. Yep. Nowadays, we we we have to sneak in youth meetings on after Sunday at the church because no one has time for Saturday while working, people are going to school.

SPEAKER_03 59:19

But do you feel like so like stuff like that is like Ex extending to like our like our generation? Like the whole like how all these aunties be having beefs and things like that. I I feel like it is. I ain't gonna lie. I feel like the way in which like our like I see like people that I grew up with nowadays, well whether they still go to my church or not, they behave like the aunties and uncles that we promised that we would never be like. No, it was just problems. Mm-hmm. But back to what I was saying.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

So while I was gonna say, wouldn't that even be like even proving the disunity? Because let's say like I truly see you as my brother, how can something how can something like small come between us and now we have beef that is now public that we haven't solved like on our own? Because ultimately we should see, especially when it comes to discipling, we should see these as our brothers and sisters. There should be an actual genuine care for the people in our churches. But now it seems like it's not there. You guys think COVID had a lot to do with that?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

COVID? I do think I feel like our churches are still recovering from COVID, even though everything is open now. You can go straight whenever you want. I feel like it's just it's not the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:50

I never looked at it like that. A lot of zooms hasn't been the same since Zoom everything. I do see that point. Because even like our up until now, our recent up until our recent Bible studies and like prayers, there wasn't really programs that were on like in person since then. Okay, and then also our parents are getting older too, so now they're using the Zoom now to meet rather than to go in person. But now because of the lack of discipleship, we see young people are not really taking up the mantle.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Yeah, it's it's it's true. Like, and to go back to the question that I asked, I I feel like one of the ways that we can improve is is literally just knowing like just knowing the word and actually like living the word. Because like that there's a lot of people that go to church, read the word, but like when you look at them, you don't even see like you don't see the word. Like, why would I want to be like this person when they come to church and yet they don't they don't not play the part but but but walk the walk. Like yes, like you can preach your you're like a great like orator, like you can speak very well, you can do this, you can do that, you can but but now like I don't see the evidence of the word that you're preaching in your life, like that's another thing that I feel like should take rule over everything else is in in in order to even be able to disciple somebody properly is okay, are you just preaching the word or like are you actually like letting this word transform you? Because otherwise, like even people like us, for example, like I can see you preach the word for hours, know this book from A to Z, but what's like if you're not living it, what's the point? What's the fruits of it? It's like the devil, like he like he knows the Bible. He knows the he knows all the words of God, he knows the word of Jesus, but the the reason why he is like that is because he's not transformed by anything that the word says.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:03

Devil, that guy, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:05

Yeah, we gotta stomp him all, can't lie. That's kind of off topic. I have a co-worker who believes um what'd he say? The devil's not real or something, or he's just a test on like that. That guy. But God's God's real. He said the devil was just he was like, he he believes in the universe, all that stuff. Yin and yang, balance. He's like, oh, that's that's basically what the devil is. There's God and it's just a balance. That's what uh he's one of those people that take from everywhere. He believes in reincarnation.

unknown 1:03:38

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

Let me ask you guys another question, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

This was this doesn't even have to do with anything we're talking about right now, but I was listening to something today. Uh, a preaching. Yeah, well, I wasn't listening to it. It was a clip that somebody posted on their WhatsApp story. So how like how do you guys feel about okay, let's say me, Abraham, I'm a preacher, right? And I say that I am I'm a Christian and I'm saved, right? Well, let's say I'm preaching the word of God in front of people, kids, people of all ages, and then the next Sunday you see me with a full sleeve of tattoos, you see me with a nose ring. Does that prove that I'm like I'm a false teacher or like or or or I haven't been transformed by what I've been preaching? What do you guys think about that? And this is post giving your life to Christ and me actually being out there in the in the limelight? Is that is that the correct word?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

This is gonna be controversial. I don't know if you guys believe the same thing. But I don't believe that in the word it says tattoos are a sin. Because it says um do not make markings for the dead. So if you're not doing that, I I don't know if it's a sin. I'm not sure. But that's just what I think. Maybe I'm wrong, but when I read the verse, it doesn't it doesn't just say tattoos are wrong, it says don't make it for the dead. Uh look it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:13

It's in Deuteronomy and Numbers, right? I think so, yeah. And even with that, there's context to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

That that's for the Israelites, right? There's I think there's one is the for the Levitical law, and there may be another one.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

Um yeah, like I'm more on the fence with him, honestly. Because when I was seeing that person preach, I was like, he was like, Oh, you call yourself a man of God, but you just got a fresh tattoo, you've got a fresh uh nose ring, you're fake, you're a demon. Uh I was like, I was like, yo, I was like like to be fair, I do see both sides because essentially that there should be a level of transformation, guys. Again, we Don't claim to know the most on this podcast. We just show you guys our journey, right? Um, like I I get that they like when you're saved, and and and especially if you're like a preacher and somebody with that, like there should be a level of transformation that takes place post you giving your life to Christ. However, that's not the evidence of God in your life by you having a tattoo. Did I phrase that correctly? Or or or or you having a nose ring of of like any kind of thing? While I do understand that that that may take like away to some people with what you're preaching, but it sh if you're preaching Christ, it shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

Well look let me ask a question before you go. Yeah. Someone like David, back to David. David's a great example. When David did what he did, was he not saved? True. So are we gonna say because David did what he did, he's not a Christian, he's not a man out of God's heart no more.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

And and that's why I was kind of like, I like like I don't maybe I'll speak to somebody who's more like knowledgeable than I am, but like I don't like I didn't like that message. Like it is it didn't sit with me, but I do understand though, like if I'm a pastor, I shouldn't like, but like I don't know if it's right, like I I actually don't know if it's right or wrong, but I see both sides.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:29

My only thing as like I'm not saying it's wrong, but just as a pastor, you have to like kind of like at that point your body is no longer yours. Yeah, and I'm not gonna say like the person made a mistake or did it out of sin, but let's just say he was like, Oh, I want a tattoo, I'm gonna go get it. Like, you know your body isn't yours at the end of the day, and then on top of that, everything you do at that level of preaching is gonna be looked at by baby Christians that people who are impressionable. So is this thing truly beneficial?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:01

And and that's one of the the verses I brought up to to the person in which I was talking to about all things are lawful for me, but not all things are uh beneficial for me. Because it's like if so my dad obviously he's my pastor, right? So if my dad if I see my dad go and get a fresh tat, fresh sleeve, fresh nose piercing, am I not gonna like look at him like why? And that's me, somebody who's who's kind of grown in my faith, right? Versus somebody who's like a five-year-old who's like, oh like now that I can see that he has a tattoo, like I can get one. And again, this isn't like speaking about like prior to you becoming to Christ. No, it's just like after you've already said that you've given your life to Christ. So I I I don't know. I actually don't know. That's that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:02

It is, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:03

Yeah, I'm not gonna say the person's wrong, but because to say that like they're a f like a fake prophet, and to say that they're they're a demon because of that, I that that's the part that kind of like threw me off.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

Yeah. No, yeah. When it gets to that part, I totally disagree with that. If you want to say maybe you shouldn't be doing that, like what you guys saying, yeah, someone may see it and it may affect them the wrong way. That's fine. I can agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:30

But calling someone a demon, yeah, they're faster than that, but I feel like people gotta be careful what they say sometimes, man. I ain't gonna lie. Cause like I was understanding him up until he said that. I was like, I was like, uh that doesn't mean that person is a demon. Maybe they made a wrong choice and didn't and did something that they weren't supposed to do. Okay, like we can say that, but to call them a demon and demon possessed, I know about that one, Chief.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

Wish it was that easy to see. Yeah, wish it was that easy to notice demons, bro. Yeah, I don't know. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:07

Anything else? No, I don't have anything else. Alright. Uh with that being said, well, what are you guys looking forward to over the next two weeks?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:16

Over the next two weeks, I feel like this talk today was like very like eye-opening. I love meeting with you guys, so I'm definitely looking forward to getting back into our schedule. So that's what I'm looking forward to. Finals, finals week is coming up.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

So you end school soon, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

Yeah, then we start up again next month. But yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to. Just finishing school and then getting back getting back with MDP schedule.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:44

Next two weeks. Oh, Monday is a worship night, URI. We live around here. Monday? Yeah, Monday. Monday at 7. I'll probably pull up. URI. I mean it's URI. Worship. Yeah. Okay. Worship and baptism. Oh, they did talk about that at the other event, right? Okay. You guys wanna come? Just show up. I'll be there playing keyboard. Um what time are you guys going? I'm gonna be there early. It's like five. You going?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:10

Yeah, I have to leave straight from work. Yeah, you're gonna screw me, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

Oh, wait, you're uh Lemon from Smithfield?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

Yeah. Um, it's been a while since I've been here. I know you guys probably missed me. I missed the last two recordings. But I'm back. Welcome back, bro. Trying to make this a priority as well, not just the other things in my life. So I'm glad to be back.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:33

Shout out to Tomorrow too, because last minute stuff, he was willing to join us every single time. Shout out to bro. Yeah, we're gonna bring him back too. That's my guy. I love that guy, bro. Definitely gonna have some some good guests soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The next like two or three episodes, it's gonna be very it's gonna be a less of us talking and more of more people that know more than us talking. Uh um for for me, the next two weeks, same thing. Uh, there's a convention in my church. So I that I it's been they've been playing that for two years. Can't wait for that to be over. Don't know why they made me the IT lead. I didn't ask them to, but I I can't wait for that to be over. Um in the next two weeks. I'm I'm besides that, I'm I'm not doing much, just regular stuff. Um gonna try to swim more. I'm trying to be like Michael Phelps. Like, you should Phelps. No, like I'm being serious, like I'm trying to be like, but one PSA to LA Fitness in Potucky. You guys, how you guys set up your pool doesn't make sense. Cause you walk into LA Fitness, there's a big glass thing, and you can see people swimming. I feel like that's just uncomfortable. So you guys need to switch that up. Um, but yeah, that's it for me. Just build the wall. Bro, it doesn't make sense because I walk in, and the left side is like a big glass thing where you can see everybody swimming. But I I don't want them to like people to see me swimming. Like I just want to swim in peace. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:11

Can't lie. I gotta learn how to swim. I know how to swim, but I gotta be comfortable swimming.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:15

I love swimming, bro. Be comfortable swimming. I love swimming. Like I I know too many black people that can't swim, which is low key side, but I love swimming. All right. With that being said, my name is Isha. It's your boy Mike. It's your boy Alan. And we'll see you guys next episode.