Issei Sagawa

They're back with another cannibalism story. Issei Sagawa, nicknamed the 'Kobe Cannibal,' murdered and ate his only friend. This little gremlin prefers ass as his cut of choice.


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Issei Sagawa: The Kobe Cannibal, RedHanded (Podcast)

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Transcript

0:00

Let's see here, make sure I'm on the right spot.

All right, you fuckers.

Ready.

Yes.

All right, let's do this. 72 House K Jack 7.

0:18

Stabbing 1000 E Mission Dr. 72.

House K Jack 7.

Welcome to 72 House.

I'm Víctor García, to my left is Lukey Luke Kilo and to my right is fancy Lance Carlson.

0:36

Howdy, howdy.

That's the best you can come up with.

That's the best.

That's the intro dude all.

Right.

I'll take it.

That's what you're calling.

You could add some like Screaming Eagles.

So, so you guys will notice that Crazy Rob is missing today.

His mom is a little bit under the weather.

So Rob is hanging out with her.

0:53

And we've got a guest host in today, which is Lukey Luke Kilo.

Luke's been on for 16 years, I believe four years prior to that.

Yeah, 4 to 5 S.

So about 20 years.

How long have you been a medic?

1:11

10/11.

So, OK, 10 or 11 years as a medic?

SWAT Medic.

SWAT Medic.

How long?

At least probably 6-6, yeah.

Six years, OK, Six years of SWAT medic.

So long in the short a whole bunch of experience.

1:27

It's capping too, so.

Yeah, Captain as well.

And it is.

Honestly, because.

It, it is honestly, I think important because all of these things give us insight and do a lot of these cases that the general public just doesn't have.

The most important thing, and you miss this on your spot fire, is that I am your resident home life expert.

1:48

Yeah, I've known you now for a long time, since you were 16, I think is when I met you.

That's about right, playing basketball with us.

Right then, didn't you before?

I did not know, but I will tell you.

Actually I did not know at all.

I tried to hook you up with girls.

2:03

Along the way you did, actually, it was really awkward, yeah.

So, and I've known you since you were just a kid before you got on the job and have watched you progress and go to your career, A lot of proud moments along the way.

But I would tell you that probably that is the proudest I've been, is to watch you come out as a gay man in the fire service because as you know, extremely difficult and I know what your concerns were about how you were going to be perceived after that.

2:33

Sure you'd already told people before?

I hadn't, no.

Swear to God, really on my on my life.

I was.

It's your face, Victor.

Your face gave it away.

I honestly did not.

And, and this is something to me that's so important.

It has to happen on your timeline.

You know, that's fair.

2:49

And so no, I, I, I talked with no one about that other than my wife.

Well, that's enough of that.

It has nothing to do.

With murder.

What an intrigue.

No, but.

What is what is actually interesting is I went to TRT with this cat.

What year?

2012?

Whatever.

3:05

Sure.

Yeah, sure.

Sometime around 11, somewhere around.

There, and he was actually married to a girl at this time.

This is true.

And so we carpooled on the way to TRT, all the way to Phoenix, and I actually had no idea how much danger I was actually in.

Yeah, 100%, yeah.

3:24

You know what I mean?

Yeah, we talked about this earlier, but I'll, I'll say it again.

My primary attraction has always been intelligence.

So you never had anything?

Oh, no, no, no, ever.

You were.

That's not true.

That's not true.

You were so attracted.

To me, 90% of us in the fire service are safe.

3:40

Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm not smart enough to get that, I guess.

No, Lance.

'S his feelings are hurt that I'm.

Not that's not true.

My my feelings aren't hurt.

So, so yeah, we're.

Gonna edit all this out.

Maybe, but but nonetheless, Luke Killow here joining us in a ton of input.

3:58

I'm super happy you're here, Luke, and I'm interested to hear your take on some of these things because these murders, I honestly had no idea.

As much as we've run these calls and been on them, as far as the first responder, you really don't, I don't think start truly understanding these until you start looking into things on a broader level and seeing some of the things that people do to each other.

4:23

It's unbelievable to be honest with you.

And so I'm, I'm super pumped to hear your input on some of this stuff.

So the topic of conversation today is a Japanese gentleman by the name of Isay Sagawa.

He was nicknamed the Kobe Cannibal.

4:40

First off, as he's Japanese, I'm certain I'm going to mess up a ton of the pronunciation on stuff, so forgive me, I'll do my best.

OK, so isay Sagawa.

He was born in Kobe, Hyogo Prefecture on April 26, 1949.

4:57

Obviously, that's in Japan.

Isay was born to a prominent and wealthy Japanese family.

His father was the president of Kirita Water Industries and his mother was a stay at home mom who by all accounts was a good mother.

I bring up his home life because I think that's where most of us go to very affluent.

5:16

When someone murders someone, you start going, OK, where did this go wrong?

Did they have a bad parenting issue?

Did you know where exactly did this go wrong?

But as we know, the more we look at all of these cases, it's not always that clear.

So where did Isay's parents go wrong?

5:34

Right?

He owns a.

He owns a business.

Mom's a good mom.

Right.

What happened?

Right.

So far, by all accounts, the childhood was was normal as far as his parents go, right?

But Isay was a sickly child who was born premature and per his father, he said he could fit Isay in his one hand when he was born.

5:55

Keep giveaway.

Cannibal Done.

Done.

Yeah, 100% Kobe.

I I immediately went to Kobe beef.

That may be where I should have probably looked that up, but I don't know.

So E say because I think of the probably being premature some genetics.

6:13

He would never reach 5 foot tall.

He was like 411.

Dude I saw a picture of him, he's a ugly.

Dude, he's a little ugly troll.

Little ugly dude, Yeah.

Yeah, he looks like a little troll like AI don't know OK Gremlin and even get this.

Which makes sense.

6:28

Gremlin he had For a guy that's 411 and looks like a little gremlin.

He had ridiculously small hands and a voice that sounded like a female.

'S just a poor dude.

Yeah, he was man set up for failure.

He was screwed from the get go.

6:44

Suck it, I'll just eat people.

I was going to say, you know what I mean That.

In life, I'm just going to eat all of you, yeah.

Yep, it's like.

When you have a sharp.

Little teeth.

I wonder is that like the equivalent of like small man syndrome in Japan?

Like Japan where like here?

Like no, I mean like here 5 foot tall dudes like get like the big lifted truck, you know what I mean?

7:04

But like in Japan, like you eat people if you're 5 foot, but you know what?

That's honestly like, not super small.

Right 5 foot.

No, in in in Japan.

In Japan, Well, I think the average height over there is 565.

Six.

So even by Japanese standard he's pretty small.

7:19

Yeah, he's.

A little little yen, all right.

So Isay had a younger brother that he was very close with, and like I told you, both children lived what would be considered a pretty normal childhood with caring parents.

In fact, many sources describe his mother as being overprotective, I would guess to protect her.

7:39

Hobbit of a son, 5 foot tall, voice like a girl.

Need to protect her son, car.

Anybody else?

Apparently if he's a cannibal.

Yeah, exactly.

She probably.

Knew that too.

No doubt do.

You know.

What age dude?

I think you know your kids.

You go.

7:54

That kids.

Weird.

That kid's gonna, you know what I mean.

The Cannibal.

I mean.

You, you go.

That's my kids different.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like you go.

Like you got to be honest, you go.

I love my kid, but he's he's something different.

There's something.

Wrong.

There's not a doubt that there are some things that you know as a parent like, hey, my kids a little different.

8:15

So have you guys looked into this in some of the other episodes?

Have you looked at their parents reactions of did they know that their kid was different and when?

Well, unfortunately with a lot of these cases, the parents are not so apartment to talk about these things and so really all you get is a look at the person themselves.

8:38

I have looked and it's very hard to find information on those people in a murderer's life for sure.

So Isay believes he first began fantasizing about cannibalism while playing games with his brother and uncle.

8:53

As a child.

His uncle would pretend to be a giant who would look for the two children to eat.

What the fuck?

Yeah, comments.

Let's not like that.

The kids an asshole.

Like some people are just born assholes, you know?

I'm 100% I agree with you.

9:10

How old are they when their uncle starts playing this game where he's a cannibal and they're hiding and he's going to eat them?

It's like uncle stuff.

You know what?

I.

Mean like no.

I'm an uncle to 9 nieces and nephews.

I've never pretended to eat people.

No, not like literally like cook, like put them in a pot, but like, I'm gonna eat your belly.

9:25

You know?

I do it with my kids.

All the time, yeah.

Like a giant, you know, Am I safe?

I.

Think you're just saying is he going to eat me?

Yeah, I can see like I wouldn't.

I agree with Lance on this one in that look, the uncle was just being an uncle, but this is one of the things that he.

Attributed he took it to the next level he's the one fantasizing about it the uncle just like how I'm not taking that one on chin Fuck that yeah I'm not that kids a.

9:50

Jerk.

I wanna say they were around like the six to 8 range.

Okay, so here's another kicker, right?

Isay would also admit to performing bestiality with the family dog as a youth.

What the?

Fuck.

Oh no.

10:05

That's.

Fucking what the fuck?

That's the part I'm cool with.

Yeah.

Why?

Not so like you said, kids.

Weird man.

Yeah, the kid is not right.

Yeah, right.

I mean, I think beyond salvageable agreement, yeah.

He's and obviously the parents don't see it because they're like, Oh my kids an Angel and you're like, no, your kids a jerk.

10:22

You're he's going.

To eat someone.

He's going to eat someone someday.

Matter of fact, to that point, I don't know that I can ever talk with parents, kids ever again because I'm going to be looking at them thinking, yeah.

Are you going to grow up and eat?

Are you?

Going to grow up and eat somebody?

Yeah, someday, you little shithead.

Dude, I didn't realize how many cannibals there were out there.

10:39

It's not that uncommon.

This is a common theme I'm saying.

It's not as uncommon as you would think.

I honestly tried it.

No, no, no.

Not in your mind.

Yeah.

No, SO Issa can also remember looking at a boy's thigh in first grade and thinking that looks delicious.

11:00

True story that that is what he's quoted as saying that looks delicious.

He also stated that because he was so sickly as a child, he grew an extreme attraction to tall, healthy women.

Oddly enough, the vibe that I was getting initially with him, because he did talk a lot about young boys or men, was that he was gay.

11:21

But that's not the case.

He did have an attraction to women and.

That's why you invited me on this podcast.

I get it now.

Nailed it.

Yeah, nailed it.

Nailed it.

Done.

Now this is where you come in, Luke I.

Was married to a woman once.

Yeah, but anyway.

It's it's overrated, yes.

Not for you to.

11:39

So Isay was considered an introvert and would grow a love for literature, which would become his focus in college.

He attended Waco College in Tokyo in 1972.

While away at college, a 24 year old essay followed a young German woman home.

11:57

When she fell asleep, he snuck in through a small window with plans to cut off a small piece of her ass and sneak away.

Kids a Dick.

There's no way she would know.

Yeah, what was she?

What was she?

Wearing she's going to sleep through it.

So.

Yeah, it's only a.

12:12

Tiny small piece of ass.

She's never know.

She'd never know, right?

But get this, because Isay was a little Hobbit, she was able to defend herself and ultimately overpower him.

Ain't that a bitch?

Shocker, you're 5 foot.

You're a weird dude trying to.

Trying to cut off a piece of someone's ass.

12:28

People's ass and then you get beat up by a girl dude.

And then you, yeah, just at that point, jump off a.

Bridge just just end it right?

That's what I would do.

That's what I'd do too.

I, I just, I don't know any of this story, so I'm like eager to hear how this develops and where it where it goes into.

He's going to escalate.

He's got yeah, yeah.

12:44

Yeah.

So yeah, he's going to take it to the next level.

He goes.

That ass biting thing went so well.

I'm going to just try to.

Up it.

Let's go ahead and bump up to phase two of this.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, maybe I'll get my ass beat less, Yeah.

I don't know.

So Isay was captured by the police and charged with attempted rape.

13:04

Because of Isay's father's wealth, he was able to pay off the German woman and get the charges dropped.

All that stuff is true and happened and the father did actually pay the woman and she dropped charges and it went away.

Did he try to ride it off on his taxes?

13:22

Yeah, probably.

This is a company loss, probably.

Yeah, so it.

Was bury that one?

Isay graduated from Waco College and in 1977 moved to France to begin work on his PhD in literature.

You know, interestingly enough.

13:38

Waste of money.

He's clearly a sick individual, but I mean all things considered he seems to be fairly intelligent which makes me wonder similar to some of our prior episodes, of how self aware he was of what he's doing and how wrong.

13:55

Apparently he wasn't aware of getting his ass whooped by that.

Chick.

Yeah, no doubt he.

Should have been a little bit more clairvoyant on that one.

It's fair.

No doubt so Isay sick thoughts would continue to haunt him.

He admits to bringing home prostitutes almost every night while in college.

14:11

Isay said he wanted to shoot them but could not bring himself to pull the trigger.

No, so so as we get going on this, you guys will see this guy Isay.

One of the things that's super interesting about him is that he loves to talk about this shit and he he you name it, he will talk about it and give you the most truthful, blunt answers you could imagine.

14:36

And we'll get to some of the reasons why I think he's like.

That I'm I'm coming to a hole in the story though.

You're saying that he's intelligent and yet he thought he was going to sneak into this woman's bedroom and cut off a piece of her ass without her knowing?

Well, yeah.

But he's also very self aware that he knew that Daddy would get him off.

14:54

Well.

That's fair.

I didn't see that coming.

This is.

Probably isn't his like first actual attempt.

He probably did a bunch of strange shit before that, got away with it, and then he just got, I don't know, beat up this time, I guess, Yeah.

Careful though, if you say too much smart stuff.

15:10

Well, yeah, you know the truth.

Yeah, that's.

A good.

Point there's there's a lot of different levels of intelligence wow.

So academically, he, you know, was a pretty smart person 5.

Foot you got to be.

Yeah, you got to have something right.

15:27

Smartest mother lover in on the room.

Yeah, no doubt.

So while going to school in France, Isay met a beautiful 25 year old Renee Heartvelt.

Renee was tall and healthy and immediately caught the eyes of Isay.

15:42

In attempt to get closer to her, he solicited and hired her as a tutor.

They would become very good friends, so.

That's pretty.

Smart.

I don't know how much you guys research this, but Renee Heartvelt was a very pretty young woman and it's not surprising to me that isay liked her and eventually sought her out as far as a victim.

16:06

Did you get a chance, Lance, to to see any pictures of Renee?

No.

So take a look when you get a chance.

She's she's a very pretty young girl.

And I didn't you asked me.

That's a good question.

That's a good question.

All right, let's move on.

16:21

All right, it's going to be like that all night.

So, all right, on June 11th, 1981, a 32 year old Isay invited Renee to his apartment for dinner and a poetry reading.

This is 81, so I thought a poetry reading.

16:38

Who the fuck does that but nerds?

Yeah, exactly.

I guess an 81 maybe.

More likely than today, Isay planned to kill and eat Renee.

He believes he selected Renee because she had all of the characteristics he lacked in a.

16:53

Soup.

So he this is interesting to me.

So to some extent he is self aware, right?

Because.

He knows what he's lacking.

He knows, yeah, where he's.

Not healthy?

He's correct.

Aesthetically pleasing?

Correct.

17:09

He's not tall.

But he's getting prostitutes though, right?

That's love.

Yeah, I mean, he's got that going for him.

He's with me.

That ain't enough.

No, no.

That doesn't money.

He can buy you love, turns out.

Yes.

But you still feel empty.

So.

Don't you?

You say?

Yes, he does.

17:25

You have a little.

Hobbit.

Yeah, you little Hobbit.

So so Renee goes over and she's completely unsuspecting.

As you would guess, she's got this little Hobbit that she probably does not even remotely think would or could harm her so and they've they've made.

17:43

Teddy bear, dude.

Exactly.

And they've made a great friendship, so she's not thinking anything other than, hey, I'm going to hang out with this friend that I met in college, read.

Some poetry.

Read some cast iron pan over the head.

Well, that would be nice, but no.

She sat down at a desk in Isai's room and begin reading poetry with her back to him.

18:03

Isay snuck up behind her and shot her in the neck with a 22 caliber rifle, killing her instantly.

Third.

What the fuck can we say that?

Yes.

Absolutely.

You said it twice.

That's the third time so.

Yeah, damn. 22 one, that's risky because yeah, the 22.

18:22

Exactly.

You could barely kill a pigeon with a 20.

Two and in the neck, that's what you went with.

I'm guessing he must have hit her right in the spine because she is as he says she died in I'm.

Sure, he did the calculations.

I'm sure he did the calculations, so here's another funny part, right?

18:39

No, no, it turns out this guy's a Dick.

Turns out he's a Hobbit.

Right.

All along I was right the whole time I was like that.

Might be a pretty premature on the Dick calling, but.

He's a Dick.

He should have jumped off a bridge when he was 8.

Yeah, turns out you guys were right about this.

Here I am looking for the good in this guy and there's just none.

18:55

None so.

Non salvageable.

So get this he he shoots her, she dies.

He says that he instantly passed out from the sight of shooting and killing somebody.

Oh, like he didn't this.

Is this figure that part?

Out No.

This is his.

19:11

First, this is his first.

Wow.

So he shoots her and then boop, he he's passes, passes out himself.

Yeah, which is crazy to me.

So when he woke up, he realized that shit just got real.

19:27

Now what a rush, right?

Yep, he had no choice now but to go through with his twisted plan.

So remember, he had, he had thought about this stuff with every prostitute he'd ever been with.

He he, by his own admission, thought about shooting all of these women, but could never get the guts to do it.

19:46

But he he waits until he has a friend that's smart and beautiful and all these things and like you don't want to do.

Is eat it.

I don't know I'm.

Going to kill this.

Person that's actually taking care of him and nice to him, that's the one right?

So here's where it even gets You guys already are like this guy's a fucking shit head.

20:06

So according to esay.

He shoots her.

He passes out.

He gets up.

He rapes her corpse.

Well, always with the raping.

Well into the night while while playing German poetry on their radio.

20:24

What?

The fuck for at?

Least he did it after though, you know what I mean?

So.

I thought that makes it any better.

I'm just saying like at least.

She didn't have to suck for her, but.

Could you imagine she would be laughing the entire time like he's trying to like.

Get with her just like.

20:40

Putting him down like you're going to rape me with that, Like get out.

There, that's.

Adorable little Hobbit Weiner.

The penis, only smaller.

Yeah, these it's like 1/5 the size.

We just did a cannibal our last episode and it doesn't get any less surprising.

20:56

It's unbelievable.

I can't.

It's hard for me to fathom what.

The sickness.

Like people have, yeah.

How many cannibal episodes are you going to have to do before it doesn't surprise you anymore?

None.

It'll never happen.

It'll always surprise you.

I think in my mind, anytime you try and put a sane logic to.

21:14

Insane.

People, insane people.

It will never click and you'll never understand.

So logic is one thing, but understanding why people do the things they do and trying to figure that out, that's that's fun.

Yeah, no doubt.

And there have been a ton of people over the years because this guy is so apartment to talking about it, that have spent a lot of time getting into his mind.

21:40

So there's like two different types of like crazy psycho people, right?

There's like these Ishua or whatever, Isa whatever.

Isa, yeah.

Right.

And then there's people who we see like on the side of the streets talking to themselves, like chewing on barks who could kill you and eat you and literally have no idea what they're doing because they're so drugged up or whatever, right?

21:58

You know what I mean?

Most certainly.

Mental illness has many different faces.

That's a fact, right?

You you get people like Isay who come from money and affluence and he has enough sense and wherewithal to to, I think, live within society and have these ridiculous cravings of murder where some people are so mentally ill that it's blatantly obvious they can't fit into normal.

22:24

Society, what's frustrating is guys like Isa, I'm sure.

I mean I know this is in Japan but if it was over here whatever, they would just get lumped in as mental ill right?

And then get a lighter sentence and just say no I have been to illness so I can't.

22:39

Get well, you know so save those thoughts right because we get to his what happens when he's caught eventually so this is this also gets crazy.

You'll love this Lance.

So.

So he has sex with her corpse.

Oh, very fast.

You'll love this, Lance.

22:55

Yeah, well, you'll see why.

You'll see why this is Lance's house.

Yeah, so Isay also attempted to bite off pieces of Renee's ass, but was unable to bite through the tough skin.

It's it's a tough.

23:10

Piece.

It's a tough piece of meat for sure.

And our last cannibal remember, couldn't get through the Dick.

Yeah, what a Because it was what it was Chewy.

Is that right too?

Chewy.

Too chewy it.

Just keeps going.

I'm going.

So you got to fry it up more.

23:25

Think that would.

Be the best.

Right.

The ass, the Dick.

They're horrible pieces of meat.

You would think.

Man, you would think so.

So he couldn't get through the skin, right?

So he goes to the local store and purchases a butcher's knife.

23:42

Isay cut and ate parts of most of Renee's body, to include most of her breasts.

He also admits to swallowing her clitoris.

Whole like a oyster.

Yes, like an oyster.

See.

I wouldn't have the reference for that, I don't know so.

24:00

What?

Is it that drives people to eat someone like like, so everyone surmises, right?

Like if you like older women that your mom left you as a kid, or if you like older man, your dad, like whatever, right?

24:16

What is it that people surmise lead someone to eating people?

They're assholes.

There's no, I don't think that there's anything you can say.

There's people who are just assholes, you know, and it's like that.

You think it's genetic.

I don't know, like at some point like.

Does it matter?

24:32

I do think it's it's.

Probably genetic nature versus nurture.

Maybe, or somehow, somewhere, wiring got crossed with that kid.

Clearly.

I mean, that's all mental illness as we see every day, every line of work, right?

24:48

But this is like to the extreme.

Yes, mental illness is relatively harmless.

And what's up too?

Once it extends into somebody else's life, like eating their ass.

Yeah, that's fair.

That, and we're not talking about the good kind.

Of no, no, yeah, we're not about the good stuff.

The bad kind.

Not to get back this either, but he eats her clitoris hole.

25:07

I again, I just I'm baffled at the that he found the clitoris.

Well, that he found it one because, you know, he's never.

Been he's lied, right?

He's never seen the problem, right?

Every night college.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

So he probably does there.

Was some prostitute somewhere that educated him It's.

25:24

Like there has to be.

A clitoris.

This is what you do.

Don't take some.

Scissors to that, yeah.

So that also, though lets you know most certainly.

I mean, the fact that he obviously had sex with the corpse, he eats the clitoris.

Not only.

25:40

So you ask like what?

What pushes people to this Clearly sexual gratification is one of the driving forces.

Now what takes it to that direction?

I I couldn't tell you.

I'm sure we could probably read some books on that one, but.

Can you read?

No, so I'd have to get a picture book.

25:57

So Isay saved what was left of her body in the refrigerator and took pictures of Renee's body at different stages of consumption.

He's eating her and then snapping pictures at, you know, the basically what he's ate.

Did it say like how long this process took from the time that she went missing?

26:16

To the time that he's like, yes, so is.

No one looking for her.

No.

So it sounds to me like it took about four days roughly, but we'll get to that.

OK.

So for all you listeners out there, and we're now at 5:00.

Five, yeah, we're at 5:00.

26:31

We're at 5:00 because.

I've told people anytime someone invites you over to read poetry.

That's a hard note.

At least tell a friend where you're going.

Yeah, that's, that's fair, right.

Yeah, turn on the track me on your phone.

Exactly.

Yeah, 100%.

So, as you can imagine, the remains began decomposing and smelling, prompting Esay to completely dismember Renee and stuff her into two large suitcases.

26:56

She spoiled, yeah.

She did she.

The meat spoiled.

His plan was to dump her in a nearby river, but his little ass had trouble moving the suitcases.

And he's a little guy.

What?

A bitch, Yeah.

Little fucking Hobbit.

Yeah, Yeah.

You got to get the rollers, the duffel bag with the rollers, so you know what I mean?

27:14

Yeah.

So he abandons the suitcase under a tree near a sidewalk, and it sounds like he.

He's a quitter.

He's a quitter as well as a Hobbit.

Did he not watch The Hobbit like you Keep on the journey.

Clearly not.

Didn't get the part.

Clearly not.

27:30

So a couple that was driving by saw Isay struggling with the suitcases and they saw him walk away, leaving them under a tree.

So they got out and looked in the suitcases and discovered a human torso.

I think actually that those people are why Isay left the suitcases.

27:47

I think he noticed them noticing him and said OK that's it, I can't carry these anyways because I'm too small.

So he beats feet and leaves the suitcases.

These people find the torch.

A little dude struggling with a suitcase and then guy passed my.

28:04

Hey need some help with your Samsonite?

Do you have a really big truck that he drove to this place with?

I don't think so, no.

You don't think so?

Me, man, you know, like you got to plan this out, dude.

You're a smart dude, you know what I mean?

Like you.

Would think you'd be a little bit more.

28:20

That German Wiener eater or whatever.

Oh, he was detailed.

He was very like, he was very methodical, like he you got to plan this out.

Man, yeah, that dude put like a Craigslist ad out there, Yeah.

Yeah, there's no thought that's went into this.

What's?

Yeah, like, but how do you know this is?

Strange not going to spoil or it's going to spoil, right?

28:38

Like.

Dude, I don't know man.

How do you not know that?

Like you, you wouldn't buy a hunk of meat from the store and like, leave it on the counter.

You have a salt.

Cure that.

No shit like everybody knows.

That maybe, you know, a rich kid from Japan, maybe he never was involved in that exactly.

Kobe or Kobe?

So the French police were notified and four days later they had Isay in custody.

28:58

Isay waited two years to stand trial and was ultimately found legally insane and not fit to stand trial.

He was ordered to be sent to a French mental institution for an indefinite amount of time.

29:14

Get back to what you said, Lance.

The system's rigged.

The system's rigged.

He he does these things that are absolutely.

Heinous.

Heinous, horrific.

And because he's and he is clearly mentally ill.

29:32

I mean, I don't think there's any disputing that.

But I don't, I guess this gets into a whole other debate and a whole other podcast as far as what should you be accountable for?

What your actions you, you got to draw the line, man, I hate to be that extremist guy, but at some point like.

29:48

You know, I can't say I disagree with.

You, you know, I mean, you got to draw the line and you like, does it really matter, like to the victim's family, you know?

Exactly.

You know what I mean?

Like, who?

Who?

Who cares what the reasoning was?

I'm sorry you had a bad childhood or whatever, but you're a Dick man.

And at some point too, you are just not fit for society anymore.

30:05

Well, you really have one of two options at that point, right?

Like you have on one end, you have the death penalty, which is an option, right?

You're not fit for society.

Let's remove you from it.

Or the other option you have in indefinite incarceration in a mental institution where you will never leave.

30:27

Well, that's the problem is that we don't have any more mental institutions one another.

Story, right?

Yeah, that's a totally different.

Yeah, but anyway.

But like either one of those honestly work depending on where you are in the spectrum.

Politically, what you believe, it doesn't matter, but either one removes you from society indefinitely, and you're not going to.

30:44

Repeat this in an ideal world, right?

But then you take in everything else.

Which brings us to the next part.

Isai spent only four years in a Max security mental institutions institution before being extradited to Japan in 1984.

Side note, while at the French mental institution, Isay wrote a book called In the Fog, which told the story of his cannibalistic adventure.

31:07

His book would become a best seller in Japan of.

Course it would a best seller.

This is this is the whole other piece of this story that we'll get to.

But he spends four years while, while he's in, while he's in this mental institution, he's got plenty of time on his hands to write a book.

31:27

Peaceful time, right?

Well, meanwhile, this the family is in hell.

He's writing a book about his adventures and the things that he did and he's profiting from it.

And he's profiting from.

It if you can write a best seller, you're not that mentally unstable.

31:44

That's why the system's.

Rigged.

So he's extradited to Japan, right?

And as we all know, his family are well to do in Japan.

So as soon as he arrives in Japan, he's placed in another mental institution.

32:00

Holding cell, whatever you know, just to get the paperwork through.

Probably because the Japanese doctors determined that Isay had a personality disorder but was not insane, but because of red tape accessing records from France, Isay would only serve 15 months in the Japanese mental institution before being released in his parents custody.

32:24

So you can eat Someone spent five years with someone giving you medication and food and a nice comfy place to stay and then just go back.

Yeah, you can, apparently.

Yep.

Wow, and it's not like this was in the 30s.

This was in the mid to late 80s.

32:42

You know, this was not all that long ago.

And right.

And really what you're talking about supposedly right, is, is red tape getting records accessed.

But that's to me is, is really nothing more than a smokescreen for his parents had money and basically paid for him to be released once he got back to Japan.

33:06

Now here's where things get funky again.

So there's more, but where there's more, there's more.

So he's in his parents custody.

He would become somewhat of a celebrity in Japan for a small moment in time.

Dude it was like clitoris eating man.

33:22

Like they got word, got out, that's it.

That he's a clitor eater dude.

Get this though, he starred on game shows, Food Pro food programs.

The fuck And.

Food program.

Yes, and even played a cannibal in a porno.

33:38

Oh, dude, that dude's winning, man, that dude's winning.

So.

He is smarter than everyone.

Exactly.

Not only do I get to do this heinous thing, but you're all going to celebrate me for it and I'm going to get to live this out for a longer period of time.

That's insane.

33:53

If you guys go.

Back him, he figured it out.

You know what I mean?

Like to some extent I went.

From like hating this guy to.

He's all.

Right.

Yeah, No, you're.

Not I'm not even.

Mad.

I'm not even mad anymore.

So the craziest thing to me is to think that Japanese culture welcomed this guy back.

34:12

Yeah, I I would love to say that's so weird, but it's hard.

You know, American culture, who knows?

Who knows what people are going to do and what becomes like a cult following?

You really don't get to pick those things.

But to think that in normal Japanese culture, you could put him on a food show, Yeah.

34:33

That's sick and twisted.

How That's fucking twisted.

I don't even think you can do that in the States, it really.

Tastes like ass.

Yeah, I don't think you can do that in the States and get away with it, right?

Absolutely not, dude.

That'd be like, I don't know, like what?

Like OJ coming back and having.

34:50

And writing a book that like if I did do.

It if I would have, yeah.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I guess as I look at that, it's pretty much the same damn thing.

That is a common theme that we're seeing though, Like we saw it with the arsonist, right?

Like they like to.

Yeah.

35:06

Yeah, celebrate.

Their own farts, basically.

Celebrate.

That they're smarter.

Than everyone, right?

Like I'm smarter than you.

You couldn't do it.

So here let me explain it.

And you still can't tie it down.

Very much so.

Damn.

So he did get his 15 minutes of fame, which is crazy because obviously we all can agree he deserved none of that.

35:26

He deserved nothing but a horrible, heinous death that he did not get.

But I will say this, his 15 minutes of fame closed on him and he, his parents passed on.

He spent all of the things that they left him, the money, the homes.

35:44

He ended up in public housing without a pot to piss in.

What an asshole.

He died from pneumonia on November 24th, 2022 at the age of 1722.

The story just got good with him dying. 2022 and he was 73, so he killed her when he was I believe 32.

36:05

Damn and dude, I don't think that was the last person he ate.

I mean, you know what?

I mean.

But he's under a lot of scrutiny and supervision, right?

Like.

Dude the dude is a celebrity.

I promise you he was eating people like while he was.

You think he.

Posted an ad like I don't think for a young healthy.

36:21

No, so actually he did say that he still did fantasize frequently about eating people, but I think he was too.

He was too known to, I mean.

Everyone's going to know who he is.

He's a celebrity.

36:37

Like no ones going to go and read poetry with him anymore.

Know the story.

I never.

Thought a dude would answer a Craigslist ad stated that he wanted his Wiener 8.

So his Wiener, all of them.

Went true righto.

Tomato man, I'm.

Like.

What are we doing here right guys?

36:54

Yeah, so.

What a weirdo.

Yeah.

And the thing that I guess at the end of this thing that's a little frustrating to me is Renee dies at a young age, had her whole life ahead of her, no doubt was going to do great things in whatever, you know, career path she chose.

37:16

And she gets snuffed out and this little Hobbit lives to 73 and even gets famous from doing these dirty, nasty things.

It's, it's, I guess it's just an example to me of how unfair life can be.

37:33

What a kick in the Dick, man.

You ain't lying, Jack.

Dude, that is someone who's completely undeserving, gets everything and you get a big old.

Bowl of dog shit?

Yep, I got a belly full of white dog shit right now.

I thought like this was going to be like the Disney movie where it has a happy ending.

37:51

No, there's no happy ending to this.

No.

And you know, and that's.

Very depressing.

I'm very.

Depressed right now.

I'm going.

To go drink.

More.

Yeah, yeah, all of these true crimes, you know, you scratch your head and go, man, what?

The fuck?

Yeah, What the fuck?

38:06

What is wrong with people?

But anyway, that is the story of Isay Sagawa.

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