Katherine Knight

Our very own Mayberry detectives are headed to Australia to take on one of the hardest women to ever walk the earth. Katherine Knight carved out her place in history as an infamous 'butcher' who didn’t take shit from any man.


Sources:
Wikipedia
The True Beyond Bad Story: The crimes of Katherine Knight, The True Crime Channel
Remembering Katherine Mary Knight, Australias “Female Hannibal Lecter”, 20 Years On, Giselle Wakatama

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Transcript

0:00

All right, you guys are, you guys are going to like this one.

I think it goes oh.

God.

It drives good with the one that we did this last 1 I think.

How could anything drive good with that?

Well, you'll see.

OK, so.

I can't wait.

So all right, you fuckers ready?

0:16

Yes.

All right, let's do this. 72 House K Jack 7.

Stabbing 1000 E Mission Dr. 72.

0:32

House K Jack 7.

Welcome to 72 House.

I'm Víctor García.

Next to me is Luky Luke Kilo sitting in for Crazy Rob and I got fancy Lance Carlson over to my right.

0:50

Howdy howdy, I was so good the first time I got a second invite.

Outstanding.

Yeah.

When in Rome.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's great.

Right, guys?

Who's with me all?

Right, grab a chair belly up for dinner at the Deuce.

All right, cow's on.

Ding Ding.

1:07

All right, so again, I think you guys are going to like this one because one, we're all married, so we'll find the humor in some of this stuff.

But two, I think it's it's in stark contrast to some of the other ones that we've done as far as the mental illness that comes around or comes along with murderers.

1:29

So who were going over a woman by the name of Katherine Knight, Which in itself is strange, or I guess rare, because generally speaking, women are not.

Crazy psycho murderers.

Well, they're not murderers.

1:46

Yeah.

They're not murderers.

Yeah.

Yes.

So we'll get into this more, but the contrast I say is that our last one was Isay Sagawa and we were talking about the mental illness that causes people to want to eat someone versus versus the the type of mental illness that's formed based on circumstance, like your family was horrible.

2:12

Irrelevant, your honor.

Erroneous.

Doesn't matter.

You're a Dick.

You eat someone, you're a Dick.

There's.

Been a lot of these that have ties to sexual gratification, which is the I shouldn't be surprised, but it's surprising to me.

I don't know.

Why I think there's actually been AI want to say there's actually been a study on that.

2:29

I'm sure of that correlation, that distinction.

Wow, you know what I mean and I get I don't know, like I guess it kind of makes sense, but why not?

Dude, if you're going to eat somebody, you might as well fuck it.

I I don't know, I mean, am I wrong?

I I.

Who knows?

I don't know.

OK.

I've never.

Done either one of those, but so so there are some things that I think are very genetic and then there are other times when I think the environment played a huge role in how people got to the point that they were.

2:55

And Catherine Knight, I think she clearly had some mental illness, but I think a large part of her problems had to do with her environment and what you guys will talk about this and you guys can be the judge of it and what you think.

3:12

So, Catherine, the rainforest.

That's.

Her environment, yes.

So, Catherine.

I'm a dad.

This is interesting.

She's born in Australia so this is another one.

Not the rainforest, not AUS.

So Catherine was born in Australia on October 4th, 1955.

3:33

Her childhood was described as extremely dysfunctional.

Her mother Barbara, who had four sons from her first marriage, would eventually leave her husband for a man she was having an affair with.

I.

Had a girl.

This man was Ken Knight, who was Catherine's father.

3:51

Barbara had four additional children with Ken.

She's 8, so she's got 8.

I had to do the math a couple times ago.

She's got 8.

Catherine was born with a twin sister.

That was in 1955.

4:06

No one in vitro Then she's oh, straight up.

On the sister is not crazy.

Well, that I can't tell you, but she didn't kill anyone.

OK.

It's that we know of.

Still.

Crazy.

Very, very likely because of the childhood that Catherine endured.

4:22

Obviously the rest of them did too, so I'm guessing they all had problems.

According to Barbara, Ken was a horrible alcoholic and would rape Barbara up to 10 times a day.

OK, maybe she's not fertile.

Maybe he's just an.

Animal a day.

4:39

That's an animal right there.

He's.

Raping Barbara.

This is Catherine's.

Mom, OK, I'm not going to go into that.

So.

He's a real Bushwhacker, that man.

Yeah, he's, I don't have a Australian voice or I'd match you, but yes, yeah, yes, oi, oi, at some.

4:58

Point you got to.

Leave.

Well, so.

Where are you going to go with all that banging going around, dude?

Yeah.

You got no time to.

Leave.

There's no time to leave.

Yeah, you're on your back.

Yeah.

Barbara often told her children the details of her sexual relations with Ken and how much she hated sex with men.

5:18

So she's getting raped 10 times a day and she's explaining it in detail to her kids.

That's some nurture going on there for sure.

So I.

Don't know what do you mean nurture?

The environment, nurture versus nature, It's it's some of it's the environment, right?

5:37

Like versus you're?

Born.

I see what you're saying like you said, right?

Yeah, she's clearly had absolutely horrible mom and dad.

So to kind of give you an idea of the mom's thought process, and even after all that she experienced in later years, Catherine told her mother that one of her boyfriends wanted to do something sexually that she did not want to do.

6:01

Barbara's response was put up with it and stop complaining.

So.

This is lay down and take it this.

Is in the 60s though.

Yes.

Which is I mean 60s maybe 701970.

No, this is in the 60s.

In the 60s, society was different than it is now.

6:20

Yes.

Right.

So that might have been the commonplace response from an older, mature woman.

Right, just suck it up.

Maybe, maybe, but you would think though a mother that's been through the things that she's been through would have a different response.

6:36

But but on the flip side, right, we all know this, people either learn and do things different or they repeat the behavior.

It's one of the two so and most people, to be completely honest, repeat the behavior, breaking the cycle of abuse that I think is difficult.

6:53

Well, who knows how how broken her mom was to the point where she just said just take it, it's not worth it, right?

You know what I mean?

That's what I'm saying.

Like, maybe she was just a beaten woman, you know, just like emotionally, physically and just like, just not.

7:09

Because that's not a normal response to tell someone right now.

I just take it.

Yeah, Right.

So I could only imagine her in the. 60s as a woman though, with eight kids, you have to provide for them and you have to survive, and it's not like you're going to go off and have this 7 figure career as a woman with eight kids in the 60s, right?

7:28

Society was pretty fucked up.

Yeah, she was in survival.

Mode.

She was in survival mode, right?

And so she's trying to teach that to her daughter, which is.

Which sounds horrible to us today.

Right, but if you want to survive in this, in this societal norm where men dominate everything and you have to suck it up if you want to live, that's that was no depressing.

7:48

But so.

Yeah, thanks a lot for killing it, Luke, you're.

Welcome here for you.

And it keeps getting worse, too.

She had.

A big wet cloud over here, I know.

I know you're welcome.

You're welcome.

Anytime.

She she had a horrible upbringing.

Catherine claims that she was molested until the age of 11 by multiple family members, not to include her father, and this has been confirmed by other family members.

8:14

Brothers.

It doesn't specify, it just says other family members and you're not able to find.

Specific, yeah.

So the long and the short of it is her understanding of sex has been distorted since day one.

8:33

Fact watching her mother and the things she went through and then the things that she went through from a young girl of, you know, of sexual age up.

So again, difference right when we talked about it, but versus the things that you're learned or that are learned through environment and the things that are genetic, She has a lot of learned problems.

8:56

Catherine was considered a loner in high school and was considered a bully, although she assaulted one boy at school with a weapon, I don't know what weapon you're probably going to ask, and would frequently fly off in rages.

She also had another side of her when she was in a positive mental state.

9:13

She was an ideal student and would even be rewarded for her exceptional behavior.

Oh dear, after her.

I wasn't going to ask what she assaulted him with.

No.

Were you?

I already know.

You were wondering.

You were wondering, not wondering.

So you.

Don't know me.

Isn't that's I, I wrote that in here because that's interesting to me that on one hand, you're you can be this horrible person or student at least, but you still have you still have a child in you that wants to please.

9:45

And I think it's still normal to some extent.

And that part of her also comes out in school, both sides.

Tell me you haven't seen that as a Battalion Chief.

Someone's good to you, but shitty their fellow.

10:02

Without a doubt, Without a doubt that's part.

Of survival.

For sure.

But she's, you know, a child.

And so it's a lot more pure to me, I think, what you see from her.

This is at what age?

This was in high school.

Oh, in high school.

10:17

It's not a child.

Yeah, I'm thinking like 12, dude.

Catherine left home at 15 and took a job as a cutter at a clothing factory.

And so obviously, I'm sure that pretty much is self describing.

She cut the cloth for the people that were going to sew it.

10:33

Not too long after that she would land what she referred to as her dream job, cutting awful.

Do you guys wonder what awful is?

A waffle.

No, not a.

Waffle El.

AALAL.

Is it like lanolin?

It's like a full, like wool.

10:50

No, all wrong sheepskin.

This is the internal parts of animals produced for food.

So parts like the heart, liver, kidney and tongue?

Where would we say?

That that's awful.

Say that again, the internal parts of animals produced for food, heart, liver, kidney and tongue are examples.

11:09

Is that common terminology or is that Australian?

I think that's Australian.

OK, Awful, awful, awful.

You remember when?

I've never heard that?

That is awful.

Do you remember when he said that we were both wrong?

And what?

No one ever about what we were saying.

11:24

Awful is right.

Yeah.

Did no one ever tell him to praise in public and correct in private?

Here we are.

Yeah, go by those rules.

Yeah, go by those rules.

It's a fire service, fucking suck it up.

That's right, suck it up.

It's.

Like being a woman in the 60s.

11:40

Suck it up, suck it up.

So get this though.

That's her dream job.

Cutting awful.

Cutting heart, lungs, kidney and scrotum.

That's her dream job and she was doing this at the Local.

Is that not part of it?

11:55

Abattoir, of course.

Abattoir.

Do you know what that?

Is is that French?

Why?

Does he keep using big?

Words.

That's French.

No, it's not French.

That's Australian.

It's straight Australian.

I assume so, it's in Australia.

I don't know what an abattoir.

Is it is a slaughterhouse?

12:12

Why did you just say Slaughterhouse?

Yeah, because I wanted to seem very smart and this is the way to do it well.

Holy smokes, you fooled me because I don't know either one of those words and now I.

Know now you're.

Still don't think you're smart?

You're smarter for it.

Yeah, OK, OK, so she gets hired at the local abattoir.

12:29

She was given a set of butcher's knives that she would hang over her bed, per her quotations.

Would always be handy if I needed them.

Yeah, that's the back to the nurture. 100%.

Like mom taught her, these dudes are going to do bad things.

12:44

Do you always be prepared?

You better be ready to defend.

Every packing a blade in between them cheeks, Shiv, You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Keister Stash.

Yeah, you better keister that sucker just in case shit gets wild.

Never know before we.

Get into her insanity.

Is she any better for this, having not been her fault?

13:02

Like, no, it's still her fault.

She's she's still a Dick.

Fault.

Yeah, she's still a Dick.

Yes, it's her fault.

Sorry you had a crap childhood.

It's still her fault, creepers, but I do have more compassion.

Oh, come on, you.

You would not say that That was your daughter.

You're right.

I would not but wait till you find out about everything.

13:20

So, So what we're going to talk about now is her marriages.

And as you would probably guess with her upbringing, she had a handful of them.

Probably all of her uncles.

Yeah, no doubt.

No, that's that's somewhere else.

I'm only going to touch on on some of the craziness because it it would be a whole other podcast just to talk about each individual husband and what happened in those different relationships.

13:46

Nuts.

I'll give you the nuts.

So her first marriage was to a gentleman named David Kellett in 1974.

David, as you would imagine, was also an alcoholic, similar to her father.

14:02

Very.

Nice.

Yep, David would often get into drunken fights.

Not a boy but he was lucky he had a road dog with him.

Oh shit.

Yep, someone that scrapped it up with him every time he was in a mix.

Oh yeah, I got one of those.

Guys, that's what I got Lance for.

That's right.

Guess who this was on the?

14:17

SWAT medic team.

Guess who his Rd. dog was?

Oh, tell me it was this girl.

It's Catherine.

It is.

Catherine.

Oh Dang, I like her.

Yeah, she feisty.

She was there with him scrapping it up.

Dang.

Yeah, that's cool.

Get drunk.

Fuck fight.

Yeah, right, fucking with fighting.

14:34

Fucking fighting.

Yep, so.

Come on.

Get this No.

At the couple's wedding, they showed up on a motorcycle with David stumbling drunk and riding bitch.

What she was driving.

She was driving.

OK, OK, on that note, I have to tell.

14:52

A story whose Whose chopper is this?

Do we have do we have tell the story?

3 minutes.

Whose motorcycle is this?

OK, it's not a motorcycle.

So it's a chopper, This is back.

I'm not out, right?

I'm at station, I'm at the deuce.

Working.

And I live out in San Tan Valley, which is, for those of you that don't know, it's an hour drive to work in the middle of nowhere, really on the outskirts, farmland everywhere.

15:18

Yarby lives out there.

You guys know the story.

No, never heard of it.

OK, so Yarby lives out there.

We both lived in San Tan Valley for three years, never ran across each other once.

My buddy and his wife own a coffee shop and I'm over there on coffee one day and he goes, hey, my wife had to take my car, can you give me a ride back?

15:39

And all I have is my motorcycle.

Our house is like a mile from the coffee shop.

And I'm like, no dude, no, I'm not.

And, and he's a big dude.

He's probably £300, right?

And this is like a naked sport touring bike.

And he's like, hey, can you give me a ride?

15:55

I'm like, no, absolutely not.

Bring your ask your wife.

Luke, did you say I'm not doing that?

That's gay.

So he keeps on.

He's like, dude, I need a ride home and.

I'm like fuck, did you ride on the hand?

16:11

I finally.

Go.

OK, whatever.

So he sits on the back, hop on my pants.

I give him, I give him my helmet.

So I don't have my helmet, right?

And as we're leaving the parking lot of the coffee shop, we don't get more than 50 feet away.

Who pulls by in their pickup truck?

Fucking Yarby, who I've never seen in three years of living in the same small potok town.

16:33

And he looks at me and just just does the old head nod.

And of course I'm on shift tomorrow and I'm like, fuck, this is gonna spread.

He knew.

He knew.

He knew right then.

Right then, he knew.

Dead giveaway.

Yeah.

16:49

We still laugh about.

It you say I outed you, you outed yourself, buddy.

You just couldn't help yourself.

Yeah, Yarby walked away and said oh shit, let's game.

I don't know that.

Totally makes sense.

Like, I don't know.

Yeah, it's.

Not this big old £300 dude.

Like giving me a bear hug, right?

17:05

Yeah, it's not my motors. 100% that's just a good Saturday, right?

There.

That's a Rob Anders.

That's a crazy Rob digression.

Oh.

Yeah.

I feel like it belongs, no?

Split, that's all right, so it gets better with the with the wedding, right?

So they roll up on the motorcycle he's riding.

17:23

Bitch.

Catherine's mother, Barbara, had a few words of advice for David, and this is in quotations.

This is was David's recollection.

You better watch this one or she'll fucking kill you.

Stir her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you're fucked.

17:41

Don't ever think of playing up on her, which means cheating.

She'll fucking kill you.

She's got something loose.

She's got a screw loose somewhere.

Hey, that's the lady right there.

This is Mama talking about her daughter.

I mean this chicks hardcore she's don't fuck her.

17:57

When did this conversation take place with him and mom?

Their wedding.

Oh.

Geez, thanks a lot.

That's a good place.

Yeah, that's great.

Yeah.

Thanks a lot, Mom.

Yeah.

Crazy lunatic.

Now you tell me.

Imagine wins, Mom, could you imagine that one on you on your wedding?

How about?

Just don't say anything.

I'll just, I'll just learn the hard way.

18:13

Yeah, no shit.

You know what I mean?

Like don't ruin my marriage because like, what are you supposed to do now?

Call the wedding off?

Then she'll kill you.

I'd I'd rather.

That's the only option I'd rather just not know.

Yeah, I'd rather wake up with a throw a knife to my.

Yeah, I'll deal with it then for sure.

I mean, does she?

I don't know.

18:29

That's fine.

Now does.

He wake up with an actress.

Throat Yeah, you'll you'll find out so.

She's a lady.

Very next.

I'm glad you brought that up.

So on their wedding night, Catherine tried to strangle David.

On their wedding night.

She said it was because.

Mother-in-law warned you and one day, 12 hours later on their.

18:46

Wedding night.

Here's what she said.

It's because they only had intercourse three times.

Not ten, not ten.

I mean the precedence was set.

The precedence was set.

Dude she that's a high testosterone woman.

You ain't lying.

Only three times.

19:01

Yeah, So good for her.

I know we're all thinking she has had a miserable upbringing and all of these things point to point to someone that had a bad environment versus someone that is more mentally ill.

19:20

I think she's got both.

Dude, that.

No, I think she's way ahead of the crowd.

Yeah, probably.

No, check this out.

You strangle a dude and then you emasculate him by saying it's because he couldn't put out four times.

Like, what is he going to do, Leave now?

19:37

That's not how this works.

Nope.

You put your.

You put your husband.

Yeah, he's a he's.

A bitch, he's a.

Bitch, dude, she's like, you got choked out like I, she basically said yeah, and dude, that was a power play.

Good for her.

Yeah, you're right, I said the.

19:52

Table, she said.

This guy is not going to screw me like my moms.

Yeah, 'cause he's too much of a bitch you can't even put out four times in a row.

It's like, it's like when you got that.

It's like she decided I'm going to be the man.

That's it.

It's like when you got that firefighter on the truck that has, we all know, right?

20:09

That is always giving people shit all the time.

So when you work with them, the first thing you do is throw the first punch and let them know straight from the get go.

It ain't going to be like that.

Yeah, very much so.

I think.

I never thought of it that way, but you're right.

I think that's exactly what it was.

20:26

She wasn't going to be the one getting stepped on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's that's the survival mode, right?

So in 1976, shortly after the birth of their first child, David left Catherine for another woman.

This threw Catherine into a deep depression and she ended up spending several weeks in a psych ward.

20:46

I expected her to kill him at this point.

Yeah, when's the shooting start?

Well.

OK, so we don't know the story.

What is your assumption?

Speculate.

Her weapon of choice?

She tried to strangle once.

Dude, if she's a fighter, man, that's how she's going to go.

21:01

She's going to go out stabbing or shooting or something.

Like usually like women will like poison you or something.

No.

Well, she's a butcher, right?

Right.

So she's going to stab.

She's.

Going to stab, Yeah, she's not going to shoot.

That's.

That's she ain't no punk, that's for sure.

She's a lady.

Use her hands, yeah.

OK, so the day she gets out of the psych ward, she left her newborn baby on the railroad tracks.

21:22

Oh, or that found an axe and went into town threatening to kill several people.

What the fuck?

And back to the psych ward for Catherine.

Yeah, she Cray Cray.

Left her baby on the railroad tracks, Yeah.

Like indefinitely or like left her for like a few minutes and then like left.

21:40

Got an axe and went to kill people, yeah.

And went to.

No train came.

No train came.

Oh good.

Geez.

Yeah, what happened to the baby?

Baby was fine, didn't didn't get ran over.

Not a murderer, didn't.

That's what I was not a murderer.

Grow up to be a murderer, yes.

21:56

Does.

The cycle repeat itself.

Yeah, at least not one that made it yet to the true crime syndicate.

Yeah, that's next episode.

Yeah, Catherine's baby.

So when Catherine was released from the psych ward for the second time, she took OK, hold on.

22:12

When she was released from the psych ward for the second time, she God damn what the fuck is this?

Cut him off.

Cut him off.

OK, here we go.

So when Catherine was released from the psych ward for the second time, she assaulted a woman with a knife and took a young boy hostage.

22:30

Oh dear, she's going for the gusto man Good stuff.

The police were able to disarm Catherine and she would later tell them that her original plan was to kill the mechanic at the service station because he's the one that fixed David her ex husband's car which allowed him to leave her and then she planned to kill David and his mother.

22:53

Next stop.

Psych Ward.

Round 3.

Completely logical at that point.

I get it because she.

Enabled him.

She fixed his car.

If he doesn't have brakes then he'll never stop and you know what I mean?

Completely logical.

I get it.

So.

So where's the psych ward come in?

23:09

You're a SWAT medic?

Yeah, I'm a SWAT medic.

How many call outs have you been to?

Barricaded subject with a woman.

Where the woman is the aggressor is the aggressor.

No, not a.

Single fucking one.

It's usually the dudes.

23:24

It's always the dudes I've been on a lot.

It's never been the woman, Not even once.

Yeah.

Always so when they don't.

Even let you barricade anybody if you're a woman.

It's it's sexist as it's fine.

You know what I mean?

I mean, what I want to live in a society who who doesn't let women barricade people?

23:43

Yeah.

So when David found out about this, he decided to leave his girlfriend that he had left Catherine for and reunite with Catherine so he could support her.

So he felt bad.

She's in the psych ward for the third time.

She's leaving her baby on a railroad tracks, the mechanics in danger.

24:01

I better get back there and see what's going on with this woman.

Smart man.

Yes, so Catherine was released in August of 1976.

She moved to a city near Brisbane and took another job at a slaughterhouse.

Catherine had her second daughter in 1980, and in 1984 David finally left Catherine for good.

24:23

So David and Catherine have two kids now, correct?

So one kid, when all this crap went down and then he got back together with her and had another kid, correct?

Smart.

But he's only fucking three times a night, so that's true.

I.

Mean.

What do you expect?

Yeah, for the most part.

Yeah.

Exactly, Yeah.

24:39

What a weirdo.

Shit I so no joke.

I used to do that with my ex-wife.

The only way she would be happy is for 15 minutes after sex.

So we had sex three times a day for a year and that's what turned me gay.

I was like, I'm done.

Are you kidding me, dude?

No, actually, that's a true story.

24:54

Three times a day.

Three times a day and she'd be happy for 15 minutes afterwards.

So I see why Catherine's like discontent.

It was only three times a day.

That's when we go to our divorce.

So Catherine's upset starts killing people.

How many times?

A day.

I mean, I see it.

That's why I got out.

I was like, no, I'm out.

25:10

She's going to start killing me.

I don't blame you three times a day.

That's ridiculous.

I was not as 40 then.

That's a little silly.

Come on, come on, come on, come on.

All right, this takes us right 1984, David says.

I'm done.

I'm out of here, she marries.

Yeah, you try to kill me four or five more times and I'm out of here.

25:27

I swear I put my foot down on this one.

All right, Catherine.

So she marries another guy named David.

This guy's name is David Saunders and.

I hope for him.

I guess you don't have to get that tattoo erased you.

25:44

Know that's probably why she's winning.

So she marries him in 1986?

No, I'm sorry.

She meets him in 1986.

Yeah, semantics.

Who cares?

David was a minor in a nearby town.

He was what, 1617?

Not that kind of minor asshole.

26:00

Yeah, that was doing there.

That was.

Intentional you Rascal you guys are Rascal, you Rascal so as you would probably guess, David and Catherine had an extremely explosive relationship and would fight often she's.

She's a fighter.

Dude, she's a firecracker.

26:17

Catherine would kick him out and then beg him back a few days later.

Yeah, classic.

I've seen that.

There's so manipulative.

We talked about that earlier today, the power of.

Let's just see that poon pang.

Yeah, he'll get you, man.

That's why I'm immoral.

It's a real son, bitch.

Yes, this is true.

26:32

Yeah.

So in 1987, Catherine cut the throat of a 2 month old dingo pup to show David what would happen to him if he ever had an affair.

That's love.

OK, so if your girlfriend this is before your wife.

26:49

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, I'm totally going to answer it honestly.

Yeah, yeah, if she's smarter to Dingo cut its throat in front of you and.

And it was his dingo pup.

Oh OK, so this is your pup.

So.

So you got a puppy.

Your girlfriend?

I'm straight up John Wick on this.

27:06

You hurt my dog.

You're done.

You cut my dingo, we going to fight, I'm going to fucking punch you right in the mouth.

It's own.

So she cuts.

She cuts the two-month old dingo's throat right, and next she knocks his ass out with a frying pan.

27:25

Yeah, the fucking frying pan will get you, dude.

It'll dunk you out.

Man, hey, back then those are those are cast iron.

Yeah.

A woman who can wield a cast iron with one hand.

Those things are heavy.

So she's stout.

Important Firehouse note, right?

27:41

Like don't ever wash a cast iron skillet, but not because it's bad for it, but because some firefighter with 60 years on the job will berate you and tell you that you should never do that and you should throw yourself off a bridge.

Oh, absolutely everybody.

The hell are you talking about man?

27:57

I'm talking about knocking people out with.

Cast iron skillet.

You're talking about on probation.

I'd never fucking seen a cast iron skillet in my life.

And you're on probation.

What do you do?

You fucking wash the dishes, right?

Yeah, a little scrubbing pad of the skillet and it was like I had cut this dude's 2 month old dingo, right?

28:16

Yeah, is that is that?

How you're tying this in this ridiculous story?

Yeah, Cast Iron Pan is your dingo.

So in 1988, that was in 87.

In 1988, Catherine and David welcome a child into the world, Catherine's third daughter.

He didn't split after the Dingo incident.

28:33

He's either a bitch or hard.

Well.

Think about this.

No Twitter, that's for sure.

No.

And you're talking about a miner and a slaughterhouse.

I mean, these are two they're.

Hard.

Yeah, they're hard.

These are hard people, without a doubt.

28:49

I got the black lung pop.

So not long after the birth of David's daughter, he left Catherine.

So now she has three kids with two dudes named David.

She does cool.

During a fight with Catherine, she hit David in the face with an with an iron like iron your clothes iron and then stabbed him in the gut with a pair of scissors.

29:12

Damn.

David moved back to Aberdeen and went into hiding.

Yeah, no shit.

Yeah, I'm going back to Aberdeen.

Fuck.

You he went into hiding like he would told his friends.

Don't say shit about where I'm at.

This bitch crazy.

This bitch is crazy.

Yeah.

So, I mean, kind of gives you an idea when we say these are hard people.

29:31

These are hard.

People, I promise you this, you ain't going to find a minor who don't want to be found, you know what I mean?

This is true.

They're diggers.

He knows where to go.

Yeah, he knows where to go new.

Zealand, or like China at that point, Like this girl's hard.

Yeah, Yeah.

Well, lucky for him, she finds another guy, John Chillingworth.

29:51

So Catherine and John originally met.

I see what you're doing.

I see what you're doing there.

So Catherine and John originally met as coworkers at the slaughterhouse, and although John and Catherine were never married, they had a son together in 1991.

30:08

Man, 4 kids.

The relationship lasted three years.

Catherine left John for a man she had been having an affair with for some time.

So.

Damn, what is up with this?

This chick's sexual appetite is impressive.

It's impressive putting out enough right 10 times a day.

30:25

That's the standard that was set when she was like 8 years old.

For sure.

High testosterone woman right there.

For sure.

She's, she's comparing absolutely every, all of these things are being compared to her mother and the things that her mother, yeah.

She's got some pen now.

Yeah, although she did stab a man and I don't like the dingo slitting.

30:43

Yeah, the dingoes.

What the dingo do is because.

She's a real coochie girl, so I didn't say it.

I.

Didn't say it.

So she leaves John, right?

And kind of like David, the next guy she's with is a guy named John Price.

31:00

Wait, wait. 2 Davids and two Johns.

Correct, correct.

So.

Keep it simple.

Right.

And, and so I'm going to, I'm going to call this guy John Price the whole time.

It'll sound a little bit weird, but I don't want it to get mixed up with the other John.

31:16

We already forgot about.

Yeah, let's just talk to John as John Price.

All right, so we're talking semantics.

All right, so we're talking John Price.

He'd been having an affair with Catherine for the better part of her marriage to John Chillingworth.

John Price had three children of his own, with his two older children still living with him.

31:35

Catherine moved into John Price's home in 1995.

Although John Price was aware of Catherine's violent past and had what was described as violent fights with him, the kids seemed to like her and their relationship was for the most part happy.

31:53

So I'm guessing this is kind of like the honeymoon phase for the most part.

He's he's putting out three times a day. 10. 10 times a day.

Three leads to your dog's throat getting.

Guts.

Yeah, you're.

Right, they move in together.

The kids like her that's.

Something what?

32:08

Is neat.

I mean a woman that hard, if the kids like her, things are going good for her.

I would say savages too.

Yeah, maybe those kids are going to.

Probably some hard ass kids too.

Big time.

All hopped up on mountain.

Dew.

Damn right, damn right.

Love that fucking beverage.

32:24

God Dang it.

In 1998, Catherine and John Price got into a fight because John refused to marry her.

Apparently, Catherine was so angry that she videotaped items at John's house that were supposedly stolen from his job at the time.

32:39

Oh, a little blackmail or what?

So she's pissed off he won't marry her, she says.

All right.

I'll get you back, I'll get you fired.

I'll make you love me.

Yep.

So John just learned a lesson from Henry the Eighth.

I am, I am right.

32:54

Like his wife had like, married and just forced several other men into hiding.

Oh, without a doubt, I'm not marrying this.

This I am unfamiliar with Henry the Eighth, so I cannot comment.

On Yeah, we don't need your gay smart stuff in this room, Luke.

33:12

You're you're talking intelligent.

You're dumb heterosexuals in here.

You.

Dumb that shit down you're.

Fucking stupidest what you are.

So she records this stuff, right?

And you see where this is going.

The items John took were out of date first aid kits that were slated for disposal.

33:32

But nonetheless, the mine fired John after 17 years of service.

I'm not saying I'm not saying it.

You said it.

I'm not saying no, I ain't saying it.

This is recorded.

John went home and kicked her out.

Yeah, that's the consequence, right?

33:48

You rat me out for expired goods and I get fired.

You get out of my house.

I missed my pension by three years. 17 years he works there and he won't marry her.

She gets his ass fired.

Wow.

Dude I'm surprised that she found so many mild tempered men.

34:09

She she's never got gotten punched the face by any of these.

Dudes.

Oh, I'm sure she did regularly, but but I think she was such a hard woman that.

She can take a beating.

Yeah.

Keep on.

Eating, I mean like her, her like her first husband, you know, she was, she was, she was the road dog.

34:25

She was out there scrapping it up with him.

Yeah, yeah, it was my, it was my meal.

Yeah, exactly.

They're back up.

So yeah.

So anyway, unfortunately a few months later, drawn John Price took her back, although he was smarter this time and didn't allow her to move back into his house.

34:44

That's the magic pee.

Back to really good and bad I.

I wish I could quit you dude.

I can't quit you.

I can't quit.

Is something yes, something I?

Never.

So John Price, unfortunately, was the unlucky 1.

35:01

So she had these prior husbands.

We've talked about horrible marriages with all kinds of fighting and craziness going on and skillets over the head, irons to the face, scissors to the gut.

But John Price is the one that ended up getting the OH.

35:18

The Creme de la the coup de grace.

Yes, he got it all.

John moves back in, right?

And I'm sure you guys have probably figured out how the story keeps progressing with Catherine.

But John and Catherine were fighting more and more frequently, and the fights were escalating in violence.

35:35

So in February of 2000, during a fight, Catherine stabbed John Price in the chest.

John finally decided that he'd had enough of Catherine and kicked her.

Right here.

That's where I draw the line.

You stabbed me in the chest.

I'm kicking you.

Out.

We're done.

The gut is one thing, but the chest, No, that is too far.

35:52

That's.

Where I draw the line, I'm a man.

Yes.

You don't stab me in the chest.

No one stabs me.

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.

This is true so.

He stepped up to the plate.

Good for him, good for John.

And.

Kicked her out and then kicked her out, yeah.

She's I'm going to kill you, John.

What year is this?

This is in 2000.

36:09

Yep.

So on February 28th 2000 John filed for a restraining order.

He also told his Co workers that if he didn't return to work it was because Catherine had killed him.

Not before I kill that ass first, you know, So you know what I mean, Vern, he.

36:26

He knows what's coming, right?

Wow.

So when John arrives home from work, Catherine wasn't there.

John spent a few hours with his neighbors, went home and went to bed around 11:00 PM.

Sometime after 11:00 PM, Catherine went to John's house.

36:43

She apparently watched TV for a while and took a shower.

After the shower, Catherine woke John up and they had sex.

I have no idea how, but John fell asleep after sex with Catherine.

Wait, that's pretty normal.

36:58

She's still in his house, still in his bed.

Is it though?

He just got stabbed in the chest by this woman.

Dude what?

Your penis makes you do insane things?

Let's just be real.

That though, is like, that's your balls life.

It's the balls that OK, you know what I mean?

37:14

OK, it's the balls.

Whatever the it's the penis is helpless.

It's the balls that makes all the stupid decisions.

Regardless, we all know, like you've talked about it before, men's weakness to vagina has caused the downfall of civilization.

He.

Deserves this.

37:31

Honestly.

But you know what?

I.

Mean you would think, though he'd at least have the sense to like get her out of the bed, you know, like get a distance at least right time distance shielding there's.

There's only a matter of time before she gets you at this point.

Like you can you can push her outside of your house, but you have to fall asleep at some point.

37:51

Dude if I ever have to tell my Co workers hey if I don't show up for work it's because this chick murdered me.

The last thing I'm going to have that chick is in my house. 100% sleeping in my bed.

You know what I mean?

And I'm not having sex with you.

Are you out of your mind?

38:07

I.

Mean that could be some of the dudes at.

Some point.

I gotta.

Cut it off.

OK.

I do believe that whether it's, yeah, men's primarily drive to procreate, not in my case, but for most people is like the number one driving factor in all their.

38:28

Existence.

It's primordial, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

So it's not surprising that he falls.

Well, but the procreation was done.

Now it was safety.

Well, so yeah.

So next part.

So of course, John Price doesn't show up to work the next day.

38:46

Yeah.

Supervisor sent an employee to check on John.

The worker banged on John's bedroom window but stopped and called the police when he noticed blood on the walkway leading up to the house.

Police arrived to find John's body and Catherine comatose from apparently taking a bunch of sleeping pills.

39:06

Based on the evidence at the scene, it appears that John was stabbed while sleeping and got up to try and escape, but was continually chased and stabbed by Catherine.

John bled out and died at the front door.

I've seen that.

I have run that call.

39:22

Really.

Yeah, at the Paradise Motel.

A woman killing a man.

Yes same exact story.

So much blood at the front door that we work the trauma code but it didn't matter there was nothing to circulate and I don't carry whole blood on my fire truck so wow.

I don't know if people know this but like IV fluids don't carry oxygen so.

39:42

Wow, yeah.

It was.

It was gnarly, Yeah.

Wow.

OK, I can't.

I'm talking about.

This stuff is it.

Yeah, yeah, I just can't, you know, use names and addresses and stuff.

Oh.

Don't say names.

So I.

Didn't know the name.

Based on the evidence at the scene, it appears that John was stabbed while sleeping and got up to try and escape.

40:01

Oh, I read this whole thing right, didn't I?

Yeah.

John bled out and died at the front door.

Yep.

OK, that's where I distracted.

OK, the autopsy revealed that John had been stabbed 37 times.

See my call?

She only stabbed him 17 times.

40:17

She's that's impressive in its own right.

She's.

Twitter She's not 30.

Well, Catherine is a hard woman.

She's hard, there's no doubt about that. 37 times she stabs him, and many of those blows punctured vital organs.

Yeah.

She's also accurate.

She's very accurate.

She knows exactly what she's doing.

40:34

She he was probably dead after like the third stab.

She's had a lot of.

Practice.

The rest of them were like just for show.

Yeah, she's had a lot of practice.

Several hours after John died, Catherine skinned him.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait.

That's the whole another twist.

40:49

Oh yes, I'm telling you she's.

A butcher is that.

I'm not a butcher, is that?

Common skin a cow?

Do you skin a pig?

I mean, I guess so because when I eat a steak it doesn't have a fucking leather on it, so you have to skin.

Man.

Man.

She's a butcher.

Well.

Yeah, but I I think you like you don't.

Skinning to me is like taking the whole skin off in one piece.

41:07

Like it's different if you're cutting in a piece and then cutting the skin off is.

She the different potato peeler.

No, she's got her knife set bro.

She's in a She works at a bar I.

Mean like you can, I mean you can, you can skin like an elk right and then or a bear.

41:24

And that's like, 'cause you want to, you want the whole skin, like as a whole.

And I think.

She wanted his skin as a whole.

Right.

And she's, she's, she's a professional, right?

This is what she does.

So she hung it from a meat hook on a door.

So she skins him, she kills him, she skins him it.

41:42

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Hangs the meat from a hook on the door.

She wasn't done, though.

Catherine then decapitated John and cooked parts of his body, serving up the meat with baked potato, carrot, pumpkin, beetroot, zucchini, cabbage, yellow squash and gravy in two settings at the dinner table, along with notes beside each plate, each having the name of one of Price's children on it.

42:12

She was she was preparing to serve his body parts to his children.

That's next level dude.

So that's.

Sadistic.

I mean, you know what I mean.

Almost impressive way.

Like, yeah, that's next level.

I don't even know how to process that honestly.

We've already said this girl is hard.

42:29

Yeah, that's, I mean.

That's hard for a dude.

That's hard.

Yeah, I mean.

I'm going to serve your father to you.

Like usually guys are fucked up like that.

You know, it's very rare to especially like what is this in the 2000?

2000.

She had a beetroot who eats.

42:44

Beetroot.

I don't know, that's pretty fucked up.

Australian, I guess, can you the the thought there is a lot of thought that went into that dinner that is a lot of.

That's what I.

Mean that's like.

Vegetables.

I think that was like 9 veggies and one dude they.

43:00

They heard his kids would have a healthy deuce after that.

I think that's a complete.

Meal.

Yeah, that's.

A ton of fiber.

That's a complete meal.

For sure, for sure.

So John's head was found in a pot with vegetables that was still warm.

43:16

Catherine then set the.

Body.

You know what I mean?

The head.

Yeah, you have to, right?

I don't think so, man.

You leave the hair.

Did she wash it first?

No it.

Doesn't I think you shave it, man, That's that's.

So, Rose, I don't think so.

43:33

You know.

So weird.

So the head's in a pot, right?

It's still warm.

Catherine then posed the body, set it up with John's left arm draped over an empty soda bottle with his legs crossed left.

43:50

Arm over an empty soda bottle with his legs crossed.

So basically me except my drink over here and there.

That's it.

I think.

I think so, yeah.

Which I wonder, obviously.

I'm sure that had to have some significance.

44:06

With no head though.

Picture me with no head.

With no head.

Right.

Like posed.

Just oh, she posed him.

Dope just set up like this.

Wait, but without skin.

Without skin?

Without skin and no head.

Picture that.

Oh, that is creepy.

Yeah, she's a Dick, you know what I mean?

44:24

That's an asshole.

That's big Dick.

Like it's a bad thing.

That's beyond.

A That's just terminology, you know what I mean?

Colloquialism.

Yeah, that's what it meant.

That's what, that's what I was going to say.

Colloquial colloquialism.

Yeah.

Colonialism.

Yeah, I was going to say that.

So take.

44:40

It's just my coping.

Magnet Yeah, yeah, I digress.

So again this gets back to where we started with what is genetic and what is learned.

She left a blood stained handwritten note.

44:56

I'm going to try and read this as best I can because it's she she didn't know how to read, I don't think, but she knew how to write some things.

I.

Don't, no, don't go there.

Don't do that.

Don't do that, no.

So.

45:11

You're going to be Harrison Butker before you.

Know it all right, so this is this is what she wrote, Tom.

Got you back Jonathan, for rapping my dooder.

So wrapping RAPPING my DOUTER, So raping my daughter.

45:34

Daughter, I didn't get that.

I thought duder was like a a slang for also known as a colloquialism for vagina, but I'm not an expert on that.

No, so wrapping my duder.

That's how she spelled it.

DOOTER.

Yes, daughter it YouTube Beck for Ross.

45:53

That's Price's daughter.

You also you 2.

You 2 back for Ross.

What does that mean Price's daughter?

I'm not exactly sure and then it says for little John, that's his son now play with little John's Dick John Price.

46:13

So it it's not even it's hard to even make sense of what in the hell she's trying to say there.

But again, it kind of gives you an idea of how uneducated where her mental growth stopped and it was clearly a long, long time ago so.

46:32

Somehow she managed to land 4 dudes.

Yes, but.

And a bunch of dudes in between.

My understanding is.

Six.

Oh yeah, power of the P man.

Yep, it's fucked up.

Some of this too so the town that they were from in Australia.

46:51

My understanding is that that slaughterhouse was pretty much the town.

Like the town revolved around the slaughterhouse.

You're you're talking about a hard, hard group of people that lived and existed in that area.

47:06

You know, we, we think we see a lot and, and we do because we see it with humans.

But could you imagine?

Like the callus that you would develop if you were slaughtering meat all day long.

47:23

How it would be easy from that with a shitty upbringing to go to killing people and serving them with vegetables to their children, no.

Oh yeah.

Well, no, I do think there's most certainly a connection there for sure.

It's just crazy.

No, because that's that's also kind of like saying, oh, you're a fireman, so of course you start fires.

47:43

You know what I mean?

Like I think there's butchers out there who don't fantasize.

It's totally fair, right?

You know what I mean?

It's I don't think there's like necessary.

Connection there, no, I get what you're saying, but if you.

Already have the ability to do something?

Yeah.

If you're going to slaughter someone, you probably will do it better than an average person for sure.

48:00

If you're not stable and you and you also have been desensitized to things that normally.

So you have a, you have a predisposition because you're mentally unstable, and then you have the nurture that comes along with it.

It's all fucked up.

It leads to slaughtering guys.

48:16

That's just it.

So.

Beware of butchers.

Yes, beware of butchers.

Yeah, that's what that's.

And people who work at slaughterhouses.

So March 2nd, 2001 Catherine's charged with murder.

After Catherine's lawyers went back and forth on whether Catherine would plead guilty or innocent, it was eventually determined she would plead guilty.

48:39

Psych Psych Psych Psych Psychiatrist for the defense claimed Catherine had borderline personality disorder.

Borderline.

Yeah, I would not say that's borderline without a doubt.

And like we said.

You're a Dick.

You know.

All your personalities are assholes.

48:56

I mean, I, I'm sure they did, You know, we've got Cliff's notes on a lot of this stuff, but her upbringing had to have been a piece of the defense, I would assume.

Oh yeah, sure.

What else they're going to chart?

49:12

You know you can't.

Like, what's your defense?

She's cuckoo.

Yeah.

Yeah, of course she's cuckoo.

You know, look at like, I don't know.

But like at the same time, it's like, doesn't matter.

That's what that's what it really comes down to.

It's like good point.

Does that make it go down any smoother?

Yeah, At some point, regardless of what got us to this point, you can't survive in society, right?

49:34

It's that simple, I think.

And it sucks.

I mean, you know, some people, it was very circumstantial.

But what?

But what does it matter at that point, right?

And everyone loses and it you know, because like obviously like the families are like the crazy person are going to be distraught because they're found out that their kids are murderer or killer or whatever.

49:53

They knew all along the kid was off, right?

We watched like the news clips of families of, of people that have done mass killings in the US and most of them knew at some point they weren't like, Oh no, my kid was Angel.

50:08

Like, Oh yeah, he had problems, which means my kid was fucked up.

Right.

But at the same time, like, they don't, that doesn't make it the the news that they're tied with that murder for the rest of their lives go down any smoother.

You know?

I mean, like, they're still like, that's not that's not good news.

50:23

Yeah.

It's a lose lose, you know, And so obviously, like all the families who got touched by this crazy person or crazy persons, like, it doesn't matter, you know, everyone loses.

They all suffer.

Sucks.

Bummer.

Thanks a lot.

All the press now buzzkill.

Yeah, she's.

So Catherine was sentenced to life in prison, but the judges refused to fix a non parole period and ordered that her papers be marked definitely never to be released.

50:52

OK, good for them, right?

That's fair.

Not fit for society, right?

Cool.

Yeah, bye, Bye.

Except she is Australian and Australia was a penal colony, which means it was.

A big Dick.

Of course you would know that, yeah.

51:11

I was not going there.

You were too.

I was going.

England sent all of their criminals to Australia and they obviously.

Had sex with each other.

Clearly.

Yeah, right, a whole colony of fuckers.

Were able to to reintegrate into society and make this awesome country so maybe.

51:33

She Luke, I don't need your intelligent ad Lib to this.

It's not.

I don't have any.

It's not.

OK, here's this though.

So Australia.

So Australia.

Right.

This what you said?

Hey, all right, that's good.

Yes, good.

But this was the first time that that had ever been imposed on a woman in Australian history.

51:55

OK.

Oh, she's the first.

She's the first.

She made it.

She made it.

Good for her.

She made her name in the books, finally.

Yeah.

Were you the first she's recognized?

At anything.

What's that mean?

I'm.

Guessing that's a no.

That's a no.

Well, no.

I mean, I well, like first.

52:11

First what, like in my family?

I mean, I did you do something?

High school, you were a you were a legit wrestler.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm the first wrestler in my family.

Took state, OK.

And state.

I took state.

Yeah, I'm the winner.

You.

Could throw a football over the.

52:28

Mountain.

Yeah, yeah, You give me a football man, I'll throw it.

Are you as hard as Catherine?

Not that hard, no?

No one's that hard.

No, she's hard.

I would submit for sure.

You would.

I would totally.

There's no one in modern day society that's as hard as that would.

There has to be someone, but they're equally as sociopathic.

52:46

For sure.

Yeah, for sure.

Not in the same person as hard as Catherine.

No, no, no.

That's a fact.

You go to another level.

I mean, you got to am I right?

Am I right?

Right.

The whole thing with her, like I said, I, you know, again, just to get back to what we talked about in the beginning, at the end of the day, Lance, I agree with you in that she she did what she did and there's consequences that come with that.

53:11

And that's all there is to that piece of it.

As far as my sympathy goes, I do feel for someone like her that just was never given a chance to succeed at all.

53:27

So I mean, in a sense, with her upbringing, she's sort of coping through all of this.

And maybe it's an extreme coping mechanism of I'm not going to get taken advantage of like my mom did, so I'm gonna throw the first punch.

When you say extreme, you mean turning someone into a Stew?

53:45

Yeah.

And then beating it to their kids?

Yeah, that's very extreme.

And putting their skin, headless body.

Yeah.

And posing just like this, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's extreme.

That's extreme, but.

I would say that's.

Quite the coping mechanism.

If you look at where her mental, she stopped developing at a certain age where that's how you react to things as in extremes when you're a child you react in extremes and so.

54:13

Yeah, she that what?

That was like a temper tantrum.

Yeah, to some extent, like.

An adult sized temper.

Temper.

Yeah.

That's what happens when a grown adult who has a intelligence of a child snaps.

Yeah.

Just for the record, I guess it all stops when you turn 40.

54:30

Yeah, Yeah.

Well again another interesting 1 Katherine Knight.

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