Robert Fisher

The guys bring you an explosive episode that takes place near our stomping grounds. Robert Fisher is widely considered to be responsible for the deaths of his wife and two children. Although he hasn’t been captured, there have been suspected sightings. Have you seen him?

Sources:
Wikipedia
Azcentral News Article, Sam Kmack
Robert Fisher, Unsolved Mysteries Wiki
Finding Robert Fisher, Az Family Channel 3 (Documentary)

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Transcript

0:00

All right, you fuckers, ready?

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0:17

House K Jack 7.

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You done chewing there club knuckles?

No.

Hold on, go.

Yeah, what he's chewing on, it's going to be a minute, yeah, but I'm ready.

0:35

So that's all that matters.

Here we go.

Welcome to 72 House Dinner at the Deuce.

Today is a good episode 1 because we got crazy Rob Anders back in the house robot.

0:53

Yeah, that was a little robotic.

Let's do that one.

More Let's do that again.

Turn on feedback.

Beep, beep.

Beep beep.

My name is Robbie and I'm a robot.

OK, man, that's enough of that.

1:09

Yeah.

Stop that, you're freaking me out.

Man, yeah, you're turning me on.

Wait.

Yeah, freaking me out.

That's a real song.

Though can we just rewind my life 10 minutes all.

Right, all right, let's go, let's go.

This could this, could we go till midnight with this shit?

Oh curious twerk.

All right, fucking you just put your fucking chipmunk over there.

1:29

Yeah, help this muck and licorice is so.

Good.

I know.

All right.

Welcome to 72 House.

Pull up a chair.

It's time for dinner.

Dinner at the Deuce?

Let's do it.

Chow's on.

I'm Víctor García to my left.

Crazy Rob Anders, Fancy Lance Carlson.

1:46

Howdy, howdy.

Rob, you ain't gone, my friend.

I know I'm back.

Two episodes.

Two.

I know.

Catch me up.

You died.

Anybody died?

They were interesting man and Lukey Luke did a good job, but I will admit there were some of those that I was very interested to hear your.

2:03

Input back on Let's go.

Yeah, 'cause they they.

They were in review.

Well, we did, Catherine Knight.

It involved crotch eating too, right?

I think they all have man.

Well, we've done 2.

We've done the German.

Germany.

That was the Germany dude.

Germany and then Asian cat.

2:18

Yep, Yep.

We had him too.

Yeah.

Catherine Knight was interesting, though.

Killed, killed her husband did all kinds of wacky.

Stuff not wacky.

There's probably most women in America when they killed their husbands.

Well, in their minds, no doubt.

Maybe so.

Still their soul.

We're just too dumb to die, I guess.

2:34

The spot fires are kind of hard for me because a lot of these murders that I look into, they're in depth, you know, and it's hard to squeeze it into 30 to 45.

Minutes.

You can't skim the details because everybody wants to know what everyone was thinking in in any given time.

2:51

So, and, and the each character and all of those things.

And so it's hard for me, but the reason I use this one is because one, I'm not a fan of the unsolved crimes.

They kind of feel like I didn't.

Yeah, it just didn't, you know, Didn't finish, didn't complete.

3:08

It's like, yeah, it's so it's never fun, isn't it?

Yeah.

That's never fun.

Never fun.

Never fun.

Yeah, sorry.

Lady.

Yes, that's always a problem.

Yeah.

And so Robert Williams Fisher.

Oh, I know that guy.

You do.

We all do, yeah.

3:23

Who doesn't?

He's he's an Arizona guy.

Yeah.

Obviously.

Mystery man, it's.

Solved but not found and so I figured we could.

I think that's considered unsolved, yeah.

Well, I mean, they know it could.

Have been the Butler, right?

3:39

That's got to be the most frustrating as a prosecutor and or for anybody in general to just know that all the evidence points, but because it's circumstantial or it's not beyond a shadow of doubt.

He's obviously he hasn't ever been apprehended.

He's on the FB is most wanted list, right?

3:56

Yes, you understand.

Tell me you didn't watch that show when you grew up.

Dude, back in the day, Americans were all.

You're aging yourself, dude.

Stop that.

That was a great show.

That was a great show at any age.

So, so Robert Fisher again, not found and we'll we'll talk about all that stuff in depth, but I figured he'd be a little bit shorter of an episode just because of that reason.

4:21

He's not found.

Most people at this point have at least heard pieces of this story.

So hopefully we can add a little bit to it, some things that they didn't know and Spark.

Curiosity.

Yeah.

And I think from a fire perspective, it's interesting because it does involve.

4:40

I thought we had crews there.

I know the fire was in Scottsdale.

We probably did.

I think it's either 2001, 2002.

That's pretty sure.

Definitely station 5.

I guarantee you 275 was there for.

Stripping.

It was kind of in the afternoon from what I remember.

I think I was on shift that day.

We just. 2001 you're correct Dang and so.

4:58

Were you on a 2001?

No, bro, yeah.

So yeah, you were I.

Was a baby dude.

Yeah, you were.

I was barely learning how to wipe my own out.

You were chasing young Asian women tail in high school.

In Thailand in.

Your Subaru too fast and too furious.

5:16

Bro, you have no many, you have no idea how many dudes I picked, but women.

Women.

Well, yeah, I'd pick up.

Women.

All right, so let let's get into this guy Robert Fisher, born on April 13th, 1961 in Brooklyn, NY.

5:32

His dad, Bill Fisher Senior, was a banker.

His mother's name, Jan Howell.

I wasn't able to find much on her, which actually, oddly enough, is kind of common.

None of the unless they had some kind of a, a real particular involvement.

5:49

I haven't been able to find much about any one of these murders.

Mothers, but not much on her.

The the notes that I took that he had a very complicated relationship with his mother and that's about as deep as it went.

But they think that whatever eventually led to his distress and kind of doing the horrific crime that he did and committed, it kind of tails back when they were psychologically profiling him with the FBI.

6:13

They kind of configured that and really, yeah, disseminated down to the fact that he probably had a very complicated unwavery relationship with.

Mama.

Interesting.

He had two sisters, one older, one younger.

So by all accounts the Fisher children had a normal childhood up to about 1976, and that's when his parents divorced.

6:36

He was 15 and per family, the divorce was the hardest on him.

So the divorce thing is kind.

Of how old was he at time of divorce?

15.

So that's a, that's a pretty like impressionable age, yeah.

It's tough though, right?

6:51

Because all of those ages, I think you could argue.

Sure, yeah, there's no like good time to get a divorce where an adolescent.

And I think, I mean, yeah, we could talk about that for days, but you know, young children in split homes it, it's a it's a tougher Rd. to hoe for.

7:07

Sure, for sure.

You know.

Especially when it's terrible like it's when it's a.

Bad lead divorce.

I mean, like, if it's like, hey, it didn't work out, that's one thing, but.

And you guys know in our line of work, 25 years I've been here in the fire department and I've seen countless.

7:25

Divorces multiple.

Yeah, multiple, and they're almost never good.

No, no.

And they used the children as weapons, which is obviously unfortunate, you know?

I mean, think about how many calls from wives that you know of crumbling marriages or divorces that have called the houses looking for information and you know it.

7:46

It gets ugly.

For sure.

For sure so.

So after the divorce, Robert and his two sisters went to live with their father in Tucson.

And that's how we get to the Arizona piece of this whole thing.

Robert graduated Saguaro High School in 1979, and soon after he enlisted in the United States Navy.

8:07

He had What do you got, Rob?

Nothing.

It's always those Navy guys, Navy dudes.

Man, you got a lot of time on their hands.

So get this, this is a story of everyone that ever went in the Navy.

He attempted to become a Navy SEAL.

That a boy.

Yeah, but was unable to complete the training again almost everybody that ever, Yeah, right.

8:27

Yeah.

Yep.

So yeah, unsuccessful Navy SEAL.

He ended up working in aircraft handling and fuels.

He was honorably discharged in 1982, so it looks like he did about three years in the Navy, failed SEAL training and ended up doing aircraft stuff.

8:44

Interesting enough he did, although he failed out of the SEAL training.

He if you if you look at pictures of him, he's actually the guy was a really fit.

Yeah, well he was a self professed master survivalist.

Yes, this is true.

9:01

And he was, I mean, he looked, he looked like a, like a Paul Grimaldi type build, long and lean.

No doubt was a was physically capable and we'll get to it.

But is he was also a firefighter for a period of time, so.

Really hero.

9:17

Obviously.

Oh, bona fide hero Superman, right?

We all know.

So shortly after being discharged from the Navy, that was about 1983, he was hired as a firefighter.

And I had to look this up because everything, everything pretty much just said he was a firefighter, but it didn't really say shit about it.

9:35

He was a firefighter at Borrego Springs Fire Protection District.

It's a rural area of San Diego County.

No kidding.

Yeah, and I, I say that because, again, you know, I wondered, OK, so he was a firefighter.

9:51

And as we all know that are in the fire service, that could mean all kinds of different things, you know, where'd you work?

Were you a volunteer?

You could have seen that you saw a fire truck one time driving down the road.

Exactly.

If you're that type of person, you know.

Exactly or you were, you know, a cadet somewhere or who knows, you know, but he he so it sounds like he was a paid full paid firefighter, but at a very small fire department.

10:14

It looks like he worked as a firefighter until, well, he had what was described as a major back injury sustained on a call in 1985.

So medically retired.

But you just do this.

Yeah.

You do the simple math.

He was a firefighter for about a couple years.

10:31

And everything I've read, it sounds like he's a quitter.

He's a quitter.

For one.

He it sounds like they had some type of a brush fire that he hurt his back on is what I could gather.

But a couple years he spent as a firefighter.

Interesting.

Yep.

10:47

So medically retires he meets his wife, well who would eventually become his wife, Mary Cooper in 1984.

So he was either a probationary firefighter or around that time period when he met Mary and he met her at a Baptist Church social group they met.

11:07

Praise the Lord.

Got engaged and were married in a year.

Interesting.

Is that a shotgun wedding?

What's a shotgun wedding?

Shotgun.

I think they're pregnant is.

That what do you mean I just.

Think so?

What's shotgun wedding?

I don't know.

You don't know.

It's fast, I can tell you that.

11:22

No, but I think it's when you're you're pregnant, not you, but I mean your spouse.

I can't get pregnant anymore.

I know that I.

Understand difference between a man and a woman.

So.

I've tried when Robert's.

Firefighting career came to an end.

Him and Mary moved to Arizona.

11:41

So back right back to Arizona.

Yeah, because he was up in somewhere in California.

He enrolled in Community College and would ultimately become a respiratory therapist and a cardiovascular tech.

Really.

So, Rob, you're in the hospital now.

What does that mean?

The cardiovascular tech is just going to probably work in a CVICU type unit, kind of like a EMT to a medic type thing.

12:01

And he'd be kind of an assistant to a nurse or do you know, some kind of things.

And then RT is just respiratory therapists are going to do all the, you know, heavy duty vented patients, all that kind of stuff.

OK, All right.

So they bought a house in Scottsdale, near where Mary's mom lived.

12:19

Shortly after they purchased the home, they welcomed their first child into the world, and that was Brittany Jean in 1988.

Their son, Robert Junior, was born in 1990.

So again, you know, you kind of do the simple math.

He, the Navy thing ends in 1983.

12:37

He meets his wife in 8485.

He sustains the injury, firefighting and moves to Arizona, where he now enrolls in Community College to be attacked.

Yeah, he's doing life right now.

Average Joe just living.

12:52

Life, yes.

Yeah, life is coming at him pretty quick, I'd say Mom.

As far as the children were concerned, all accounts, they lived a normal life.

Both kids were active in sports and did well in school.

Robert and Mary's relationship, however, not so much.

13:10

Yeah, and they again, we'll get into it, but they had a pretty shitty rocky marriage from the get go.

Yeah, he was wrong the whole time, you know he was.

Yep.

So you guys are going to love this.

This is where I think you guys are going to.

13:27

You'll get a kick out of it.

So in 1988 and this is all Roberts thoughts on what happened.

He says he had an affair on his wife in 1998.

OK, that's frowned upon.

That's that'll cause a lot of trouble.

13:42

OK, so here was his affair.

OK, not to discount it, he went to a massage parlor, like a amp, right?

An Asian massage parlor parlor, and got a rub in a tug.

Oh, rub tug.

Yeah.

And he was like he was.

13:59

Transactional.

He he was like, yeah, you know, I.

And then he fell on that's who he married, that's who he oh, that's who he had the that's the affair.

He had an affair.

That was his affair.

Wait, was affair, Was it an accident?

I mean, like when you turn down like a dark alley, you're like, hey, I'm not supposed to be here, but like, hey.

Since we're here.

Is that not?

14:15

Yeah, that's like just tripping and falling into it, right?

It's not even.

It's just an accident.

Yeah, it's like a whoops today.

Like getting a massage, that's what he did and it was just. 100% like Rodney.

You gave.

Wait, what if she made us inside?

Stuff coming?

If you gave me a massage right now, I would expect you to finish me off.

14:32

I thought that's how a normal massage is.

OK, let's play devil's advocate here.

I know, I know.

What?

No.

That's not we're.

Getting up on a tangent, but let me say no we're not.

No dude, if your wife went to a massage, involved, I know.

But if your wife went to a massage parlor and just accidentally got finger blasted?

14:48

Would you be?

What I'm just saying dude her if she tripped.

She tripped what fell into a finger blasting.

Yeah, like a stiff like class, like class three finger blasting.

Yeah, I can understand where she'd get a little upset. 100% OK, 100% yeah, for sure yeah no, I I joke and I kid, but obviously every, every woman that listens going to go Come on you Dick heads.

15:11

That's clearly an affair.

But here's the deal though, it was more than a rub and a tug because he got a UTI from the account encounter.

So you.

Don't get a.

Wash your hands.

Yeah, well, I'm guessing they had sex.

Oh.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, then that's not he didn't go there.

15:26

Then that is, that's cheating.

Yeah, I would.

I think there's a difference between cheating and an affair.

I feel like entrapment.

I feel like this is entrapment.

Yeah, you're entrapping me right now.

You're.

OK, I digress.

Yes, maybe I'm on checking myself.

You're trying so.

We we got to go home to our houses.

15:42

You're gonna get a.

Friend.

She tugged him with her vagina.

OK, Yeah.

And then he got a UTI translation STD.

Yes.

Yeah, OK.

One dude gets a UTI.

It's like.

So gonorrhea.

So Mary finds out, right?

She throws him out of the house.

15:58

Jeez, it's just sex.

Did she give?

Did he give her a UTI?

Yeah, well, no, he did not got it.

So he, so Robert decides he's going to go camping and pace camping and pacing while Mary decides what she's going to do.

Oh boy.

And again, you know, like you said about the survivalist thing, the guy's, he's a weirdo for one, for sure.

16:18

Well, he can do his own rub and tug in the in the woods.

He's a survivalist.

So, you know, you tell you, you get caught cheating on your wife and you're like, yeah, I'm going to go camping.

You know, it's logically you're like.

Living his best life.

Yeah, apparently exactly.

So as we you'd mentioned, Rob, he was an avid outdoorsman, but not by definition a survivalist.

16:41

And that's one of the things that gets pitched a lot.

Like if you were just to read an article or watch a quick news segment, they're going to pitch him as a survivalist.

He's not a.

Survivalist.

And like I just said, weird dude.

He exhibited strange behavior in a lot of different areas.

17:01

But like some examples, he was a hunter and so he would hunt and with the people around that he was hunting with, he would kill whatever he killed.

And he would have sex with it.

No, but he would take, like the bloody stuff and rub it all over his face and his body, which to me is weird, you know?

17:22

Maybe, yeah, but I'm not a hunter.

So maybe if you're 100, you go.

Oh, no, that's what we rubbed the blood off.

I don't.

Know yeah, we, we, yeah.

Your first killer.

You eat the heart, dude.

Yeah, honestly.

Oh sure.

Yeah, ate the deer heart.

So here's another one he got.

He got in trouble with the law and this was on multiple occasions for shooting dogs.

17:42

What?

Yeah, and why not cats?

So, well, exactly.

Cats.

Don't fuck with cats, but they.

Made a well show.

About it.

Do not fuck with cats.

I know.

They'll get you in your afterlife.

Or what?

No, they just had a whole show about.

That I'm not saying torture cats, I'm just saying like don't adopt.

17:58

So the dog situation, he what he says is that a neighboring dog basically attacked his dog and so he shot it.

So there's two sides of every story.

True, but twice.

You know I and SO like the things that I read.

18:14

Not guilty in my eyes yet.

Well, not yet, but the things that I.

Read.

Maybe a weirdo, but you know.

Say that he they don't believe that that was actually the case.

They think it was more of him just being a sick.

I think that's some egotistical law enforcement group that was unable to apprehend their man, so they're making excuses and turning them into something that he probably was far beyond their.

18:38

I don't know, obviously, because he never fucking got caught.

Here's the deal though, he murdered his whole family, so that in itself.

Yeah, allegedly, yeah.

Allegedly.

So that in itself would lead me to believe there may have been something goofy with the dogs.

Yeah.

Look, but trust the justice system, OK?

18:53

So here's another one that that although I laugh and it's humorous, I wouldn't in the moment if I was these people.

So they would go camping and he would other campers that were in other sites, he would sneak up behind them and empty his gun in the air behind him as a joke.

19:12

Boom boom boom boom right behind him when when you're out camping.

Weird factor, just catapulted.

I I do that is that, is that weird?

No, Yeah.

I mean, yeah, that's weird, guys, right, guys?

Yeah.

Because what if he did it to me?

I'd fucking shoot him.

Like I I would I would at a minimum beat the living shit up.

19:29

Yeah, I'd fucking yeah I'd.

Probably say, bro, that's not funny.

That's.

Not funny.

That's what I totally scaring the.

Kid, that is not nice.

Yeah, I'd say Sir, you need to holster your weapon.

Interesting, interesting, interesting.

I'm trying to develop this like psychological profile about this guy, about what's going on in his head, what eventually led to what he did.

19:50

Well, I love that you want to get in everyone's brain.

Yeah, I'm already there with.

I know I did.

I know you want to profile everyone.

Yeah, there's a book I was going to plug.

It's called No Parts or something like that.

It talks.

By Rob.

No, no, no, no.

But I'm just relating to some of this guy's behaviors.

That behavior sneaking up behind people, shooting the gun.

20:07

There's an absolute, I think that they.

It definitely it's, it's worth noting, like he probably has fantasized about just capping someone in the back of the head, you know what I mean?

I don't know.

He is fucking weird that I know for a fact.

20:22

This dude all the way back to his childhood, man, I guarantee it.

And I'll be honest with you too, man, even looking at him, like if I didn't know anything about this guy and someone showed me a picture, I'd go, yeah, he looks like a fucking weirdo.

Really.

Yeah, I haven't seen a picture of him in a long time.

Did he look methy?

20:38

Yeah, a little.

Bit did he like call it like emaciated and.

No, I mean.

Just he was thin, just a little bit.

Gone.

But he just had those eyes that looked fucking red.

Eye 1000 yard stare.

Yeah, 1000 yard stare, dude.

Yes, he, he, you would know.

You'd look at him and go, OK, something ain't fucking right with that guy for sure.

20:56

So let's get back.

Right.

So he's weird.

We established that cheats on the wife.

He's camping.

Well, she thinks about it.

He wrote his wife Mary a letter during the four days he was gone camping and he told her he can't live without her and that he would kill himself if she left him.

21:15

Oh geez.

Yeah, so Mary, of course, eventually takes him back.

Yeah, because she's a sweetheart.

She's a sweetheart.

Robert started what he called the Season of Redemption.

The season of redemption.

What do you mean he called?

He.

That's what He So what?

21:32

Is there like a manifesto?

Well, so no SO so he began, he began spending a lot more time at church and carrying three by five note cards with him that had Bible verses written on them and so.

How do you know this wasn't like the second of the year where he's like just gung ho about his, you know, goals?

21:49

His New Year's resolutions, Yeah.

I don't think that was the case, though.

No, I, I, there's no doubt, right?

He, he cheats on his wife.

And I will say this, he sounds like he legitimately feels bad about what he did.

And he's either trying to make peace within himself for it or make amends to her by saying, hey, look, I'm going to put in this work and make it right.

22:15

That's what I gather from.

It so can I put in a side note?

Side note.

If this dude, OK, knowing what we know now, all of a sudden, like, reinvented himself and then did great things, we would all praise him as being like, dude, he was down in the dumps, he cheated on his wife, he made everything better and like, did great things.

22:33

We go, that guy's a legend, but because he did terrible things, you go, you look back and you go, yeah, I could see that coming.

Well, but you know what I mean.

But true but.

Like how quickly.

Like we like dismiss.

Well, but but he came to a fork in the road.

You.

Know what I mean?

Well, yeah.

And that's kind of what I'm saying is like, yeah, you absolutely could make that make any decision at any point in your time. 100% either just you go fucking nuts.

22:56

You can turn it around.

Or you can turn it around.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And he most certainly did not.

No, he.

He lost.

He lost so.

This whole thing was set in emotion when he was a child for some.

I agree with Undisclosed.

Undiscovered reason.

So let's talk about that.

You get a divorce, everybody gets divorced.

23:13

At what point do you go, yeah, that's okay, At some point you got to grow up, yeah.

Because I'm you're planning for my second marriage.

Right.

Yeah, I, I, dude, I'm going to have a midlife crisis here pretty soon.

I'm like, I got that.

You're going to need a.

You're going to need a sleeve.

You're going to need a earring.

And also, I got a ton of excuses lined up, you know, for my childhood.

23:30

Absolutely your mom.

My kids have severe trauma.

The metaphor that I would use would be like, a kid has all these pieces to a puzzle and he's trying to put this picture together for himself.

And when kids go through childhood trauma, they have fucked up things happen to them.

That puzzle gets all fucked up with other pieces of puzzles that don't fit in that puzzle.

23:50

So when they become adults and they try to put their puzzle together and they can figure it out, they have pieces that just don't fucking fit.

So then they fucking do shit like this.

We need to try to like take these stories and figure out what happened these kids way back fucking when and try to get them the therapy and shit that happened so this shit stops happening.

24:06

So we actually, I won't get deep into this, but September and I have an idea of doing a podcast called and that's another podcast when we say those things and go, we need to look into that, you know?

But anyway, yeah, I agree with you, Rob, for sure.

Those things no doubt are impactful.

24:24

But Lance says this in almost all of our episodes.

You know, you get to a point where you're like, OK, So what?

They're Dick heads.

They you know what I mean?

Yeah, that's got and that's all I'm bringing up is like, at what point does that puzzle, is it OK to interfere with other people's puzzles?

24:40

Everybody has their own shit, you know, everybody has their own shit.

But like we always like want to look back and go, oh, what's because of this?

Like that still doesn't make it OK.

That's not 100% agree.

You know, so like what, The only thing you can only do is like, just recognize, hey, fuck, man, I had, I had AI had a shitty childhood.

24:59

I'm recognizing this compared to everybody.

Else you're assuming, you're assuming, but you're you're assuming that people have the capacity and the faculty.

No, but that's that's.

The self resolved that in itself.

I want to bring awareness to.

I don't want to dive into the world of Excuseville.

25:14

I want to dive into the world of, hey, this is what's going on with you.

Don't be a shithead.

Don't fall into A to be a statistic where you go, you know, I, I, my parents got a divorce and so now I'm going to kill everyone.

That's why.

Complete side note from your side note is they're developing with quantum computing and the AI technology that like in classrooms, they're going to be able to observe and listen to the kids and based on actions and behaviors consistently over a pattern of time.

25:46

This system that exists in these schools is going to be able to pinpoint kids that are dealing with issues that they themselves don't know how to talk about.

But then they can somehow bring it to some kind of attention to try to manage it appropriately so they don't grow up with those pieces and everything.

They don't have the ability to make excuses.

26:02

I'm not making excuses for people that have these issues, but you have to appreciate and understand that people can get to the point in their life where they don't have that self-awareness.

They don't have that ability to recognize how they're being, how they're feeling, those pieces of the puzzles, don't they?

Still know right from wrong right?

I and that and that, but what is?

26:19

What is right and wrong, Lance?

Dude, it's killing someone or not killing.

Someone OK if you want to be black and white.

I'm just saying like.

You just gave it a 5050 chance, right?

So obviously he didn't, he didn't know.

So you just answer your own question honestly because he did it.

So obviously he wasn't aware that it was but you.

26:36

Ask any 5 year old, is it OK?

You know what I mean?

Is it OK to murder someone?

No 100% of 5 year olds no matter what home they grow up in.

It's gonna probably say. 100%.

It's, well, you know what I'm saying.

Right.

No, no, generalized 99.

Yeah, whatever, because there's the 1% like Robert Fischer that did what he did.

26:54

Yeah, so we can move.

On from that, OK, that's another.

Podcast.

That's another podcast, High Vice.

Right high vice.

Right.

So so as we talked about the affair in his marriage was a it was a big event and but it was far from the only issue.

27:11

As noted by multiple sources, Robert was cruel and distant and a control freak.

And I just put a few examples.

There was a lot.

One of them is they were talking with friends at some kind of a get together and Mary talked what he believed to be out of turn and I don't know if that means.

27:33

She spoke at all.

She she butted in.

She spoke at all, right?

She said a word.

He takes a hose and turns it on her and starts spraying her with the hose like like she's a dog.

In front of everybody?

Yeah, At the party.

In front of.

Everybody.

You got to protect your wife.

Dude, that's just being a Dick.

27:50

He's an asshole.

So they go on a camping trip.

They were supposed to bring certain things.

She forgets to bring the salt and pepper.

This is per friends.

He berated her embarrassingly about the salt and pepper that she forgot.

28:09

I take it back, I was on her side.

Not anymore.

So little things.

The walls in the house, they were only allowed to be painted white and they could only have a few pictures displayed.

OK.

28:25

So what, I'm not going to lie, there's about 100 different shades of white.

So, so that's actually, I know that from experience.

That's actually not bad.

If you ever went to Sherwin-Williams with your wife, you know what I'm talking.

About.

This is true.

28:42

This is true.

Maybe he was just trying to cut down the color from 2 billion to 100,000 whites.

Good.

Good point, yeah.

Yeah, OK.

So, so this is one that, again, you would have to be there with all of these things to truly understand the context.

29:00

But friends said that his kids didn't know how to swim or at least weren't good.

And they were on a boat at one of the lakes.

And so he tossed them both into the lake and said.

Swim, swim or drown.

29:17

Swim or drown, right?

That is a way.

So, yeah.

And so I don't know what the specifics are behind that, but the long and the short of it is friends, people that were around them most certainly saw him as a Dick and not very nice to his wife and kids for sure.

29:38

Wow.

So here's some other interesting stuff and, and probably to your point, Rob gets back to stuff in his childhood, usually stuff that's sexually related sexual issues somehow date.

Back back until childhood, right 100%.

29:53

So they fought about sex frequently.

Mary complained that Robert had an overactive sex drive.

He he so get this guilty so again, right.

That's 100%.

Again, this is all perception.

Yeah, he wanted sex.

30:10

Every day.

Still guilty?

Yeah.

So sorry, I'm attracted to my wife.

Well, I guess the kicker though is.

But it sounds like he's an asshole.

He's he's in control.

Yeah, No, I so when I, when I, when I say it's funny because I, I am attracted to my wife.

Yeah, of course, but you're not going to force yourself.

30:27

Sounds like this motherfucker.

Like this dude is like.

She's not getting a fucking choice, which is total fucking.

Bullshit.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And I And I think that's where we're headed.

This way.

Got it.

It's one thing if both of you want sex every day.

Yeah.

But if one doesn't now we're now we have have an issue, right?

So the the sex thing's interesting to me.

30:45

They eventually came to an agreement that they would have sex every other day.

Yeah, that's 50% dude.

That's negotiating right there.

Yeah, that's you could have a still, you could have sex every like. 18 hours.

I I still feel bad for the wife because she's probably totally just not into this at all.

It it yeah.

31:01

What's wrong with what's wrong with her?

She's even tolerating this bullshit, you know.

What?

I mean, that's a good question.

Yeah, that's a good question.

And it gets into the whole what trauma has she had?

Yeah, exactly.

You know, but they also fought about money, which, Yeah.

Everyone.

Sex and money, dude.

31:17

Yeah, Sex and money.

Sex and money.

As we know, every fire service divorces.

He's in, he's in a a normal marriage.

Exactly so far I.

Mean so far, yeah.

Like, yeah.

So we know, right?

Every divorce there's three things that are either one or all three or a combination.

31:34

Asian massage amps.

No, OK, that's not it.

OK, money.

Money, sex, sex and and blow jumps.

Addiction.

Addiction.

There you go.

Those are the three marriage killers for sure.

So they So now we're into the money part.

31:52

So Robert paid the bills and bought the groceries, but Mary needed to buy anything else that she wanted through money she earned from a part time job.

So I hate this dude.

So again, super.

Yeah.

You know he's controlling obviously to like the NTH degree.

32:10

This is the toxic white male that they talk about is this guy.

Yeah, not the majority of men, but it's guys like this that give us all a bad name.

Oh, 100%.

You know what I mean?

It's fucked up.

It's too bad.

So.

He's telling her we just.

Get lumped into this bullshit.

Here's what you can do.

You in our house.

32:26

Here's how many pictures you can hang.

Here's how much sex you're having with me.

You know, here's how much money you can have.

I mean, he's, yeah, he's controlling every bit of this thing.

So in 1998 they start getting marital counseling and by 2001 the marriage is on its last legs.

32:44

So they're going to counseling for a few years and good.

Job counselor.

Yeah, clearly that wasn't worth it.

You ruined a happy marriage.

So things were going great when you see a counselor.

Yep, Oh my.

Gosh, I most counselors and therapists need to go see counselors and therapists.

Guarantee it.

That's the one I'm not going to.

33:00

So I want to go to somebody that's for shit together.

So so because.

I'm a wreck.

So here we are, right?

We're we kind of got an idea now about who this guy is, about his family life, his kids.

Got it.

The problems going on with his wife in pretty much every facet other than, I guess addiction.

33:19

Is the only thing is a hug?

Well, he got a, he got a hug from that, that tug tug place, you know, got a, got a couple.

Wiener hug.

Wiener hug.

So you provide the hug, I'll give the tug deal.

Wait, no, it's a rubbing tug, not a tug get.

Any on the rug?

33:34

Yeah.

So the murders, Oh, here we go.

Get right to the Jews.

Dun Dun Dun, it's got.

Serious.

According to the neighbors, the Fishers had a loud fight at around 10:00 PM on April 9th and this is 2001.

33:50

According to the neighbors, they could hear a lot of yelling and shitty things being said.

A neighbor recalls Mary saying.

You're worthless and I could have done better than you.

That's.

Not wrong.

Yeah, she's.

Not wrong.

She's yeah, that's a normal marriage.

34:06

I'm still in the normal marriage part.

Yeah, so wait.

Yeah, let me know when we start getting to like shady character, shady details, OK?

I'm still in the normal marriage.

Is this podcast about me when she's trying to get me juicy?

Yeah, she wants to get me all razed up, dude, Yeah.

You know that.

Angry.

Sad.

34:21

Hey babe, can you talk shit to me again?

I really like that.

You're worthless.

Oh.

Yeah, there we go.

I could have.

Done better than you.

That's what I'm talking about.

Keep going.

I'm there.

I'm there.

All right, I'm fucked up.

I get it.

Go on.

OK, so this argument was approximately 10 hours before the house erupted in flames.

34:40

A coincidence?

It was 10:00 at night, 10 hours 12 / 10, so about 8:00 in the morning.

Yeah, well.

Wow, that was so.

That was pretty good.

Damn Rob.

Damn Rob.

Super computer, dude.

Robot.

I'm actually an AI.

So police think the murders happened somewhere between 9:30 and 10:15, based on video footage from an ATM.

35:03

What they see at the ATM.

Somebody tell you so.

Robert was caught on camera withdrawing $280 at 10:43 PM with Mary's Toyota 4 runner in the background.

How much does it cost to get a rub and tug, do you know?

I don't know you all my money because I'm married to one.

35:20

Yeah.

Are you trying to?

Incriminate people?

No.

Yeah, not at all.

He's he's asking me specifically because my wife's Asian.

Yeah.

You're, you're putting the exact words that I wanted to say in my mouth.

Yeah.

Exactly, because that's why I said all my money, everything I have, that's how much it cost.

35:37

She's beautiful, man.

She is beautiful.

Yeah, you're good.

And I keep coming back for her with the lighting for punishment.

So 280 dollars. 10:43 PM.

He's in her forerunner.

At 8:42 AM, the Fisher House explodes.

Literally explodes.

Boom, sending a shockwave through the quiet Scottsdale neighborhood.

35:53

Shockwave, there's a quiet Scottsdale.

Neighborhood you knocked that shit off and let him till sorry.

Scottsdale Fire Department responds and and immediately declare it defensive in Soho.

Yeah, so we all joke about that in our industry, but the piece alone that they're probably coming and going, hey, this is a natural gas explosion, which is what they, you know, so they're probably not too anxious to get get in there, not knowing if they're still going to be more explosions.

36:22

What what the heck's going on?

So I, I get that piece of it as far as it being defensive and it and it I think for people that aren't firefighters, it gives them an idea of there had to have been a ton of flames and probably a lot of destruction, I would assume.

36:38

They have a good video of it.

You can you can YouTube it.

Yeah.

Anybody listening YouTube Robert Fischer house fire.

They have amateur video of it.

I watched it.

It's ripping, man.

It's it's.

Good after the fact, not not the actual explosion, because I've been in a fire where just a single MAP gas bottle exploded.

36:53

Remember that one on Mill?

Yes, I do remember.

The casement windows.

Is that the one that blew the roof?

Yes.

That was a rocker, man.

Map gas bottle.

Well, that's what they said, that's what the investigator said, and it we shook.

Were you in there?

Yeah, no, I was just outside.

Ponseca was in there.

37:09

Yeah, dude, in that.

Not too long after.

Ship of pants.

Kill was in one.

Oh, that was a that was a smoke.

Explosion.

That was a smoke explosion.

Dude, it blew the garage all the way.

Off.

Yeah, I was on that one too.

It was Ziggy.

Yeah, you were Ziggy.

Yep.

Yeah.

No, I remember being scared the hell out in in Squad 270. 8 And then Brando got burns all over his face or his ears at least.

37:31

Keel.

Keel was all fucked up to you, wouldn't he?

Yeah.

He got a concussion from.

It yeah, he was all but I remember seeing Keel was all his skin was drippy on his ears and all that.

Yeah, they both went to the you.

Know who did a really good job on that call?

Levo Scott.

Levo, man, he took right over, man.

Like it 'cause he was, I think he was a second truck there.

37:47

And soon as that blew up, man, he took command and ran.

Kind of kind.

Of yeah, he always did.

He's a smart guy, yeah.

For sure he.

Was pretty awesome.

So once firefighters were able to get into the house and search it, obviously a little bit later they found a grizzly scene and I put in here enough to rock even the most seasoned of firefighters.

38:09

So they get in.

They find Mary Fisher, who was 38 at the time.

She shot in the back of the head and her throat is slit.

God.

Dang, that's personal.

Fuck yeah, that's angry.

Bobby Fischer junior, 10 years old, found with his throat slit.

38:26

No shit.

Brittany Fischer, 12 years old, found with her throat slit.

Damn dude.

Fucked up Dark Cloud just came over so I'll.

I'll let me get this next part and then we'll talk a little bit about this.

But the throat wounds on all three victims were ear to ear and so deep it almost decapitated them.

38:47

Mary and Brittany's bodies were so badly charred it was very difficult to tell them apart to the point that investigators actually had showed wrong images to family trying to identify because they couldn't tell the difference between the two.

39:05

Because of how Bobby's body was left.

Only one side of his body was badly charred so they were able to identify him pretty easily.

No soot was found in any of the victims Airways indicating they were dead before the explosion.

39:23

So.

So again you.

Know dude, he would have been better off just shooting everyone you know if he had a gun.

Why?

Why, I could not possibly fathom cutting my worst enemy's throat, let alone my own children.

It's.

Pure evil man.

It is it's it's truly not understandable.

39:43

I don't think for a sane mind the.

Guy was.

Psychologically, it's interesting to me because I've watched quite a few interviews of people that have done that level of heinous crime against family members and loved ones and things, and they somehow rationalize it and explain it and you'll never agree with them, but you're sitting there going.

40:01

They fucking there's no doubt I believe they believe that they fucking believe what they believe and that they were justified in what they did.

The old saying like perceptions, reality, Oh my God, it's fucking insane.

It's it's creepy.

So these people are just out there, but like, what's the fucking trigger?

40:16

Well, so take.

This to our careers.

I have been on gas explosions but I haven't been on any with bodies.

I'm trying to think I've I went on, me and Darrell were on the battalion ripping house fire.

40:33

A couple crews were in there.

We got to sign interior.

There were reports of people trapped.

No one's found them.

Long story short, I kind of come around, do a little right wall search, boom, there's a body story kind of comes along and it was two women that were married going through a divorce.

40:48

One was the next Phoenix PD officer and she freaking caps her wife and then lit the house on fire.

So that's kind of along the same lines of kind of what this was.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting.

Did you guys find the?

Bodies.

I did, I did.

Yeah.

Yeah, Well, just just her.

41:04

We only found the one cause the lady that shot her, it was the one that called 911 and she's like ran outside, but she wasn't, she was acting like the whole somebody's in there kind of thing.

So yeah, it's pretty fun.

Crazy, what about you?

No, mostly the dead bodies that I found that have been burnt have been in car accidents as you know.

41:20

Like that's probably by far the most common. 1 for me.

In fact 1 was so badly burned it got rear-ended by an 18 Wheeler and the cab exploded along with all the diesel fuel.

And did we, we checked the front car first because we're trying to find the driver and we couldn't find her.

41:40

We didn't know like if she like just because the car was toast.

We assumed that she just got out and ran off or whatever.

But like we didn't have any idea where it was coming from or where she was.

And no, she was there.

She was melted into the seat with her hands still on the steering wheel.

That was like down to like the bones.

You just couldn't you just, I mean, there's like describable, well, like the material from the roof, you know, what kind of like melted on her and and it was so badly charred and burned that like you didn't realize that that was a skull like down.

42:08

I mean, like usually like when I see them, they're like, you know, there's melted skin.

This one was so bad.

It was down to like the actual skull.

It was very, very gruesome.

I've been on a number of those where people get burnt in a car.

Car accident.

42:23

Yeah, yeah, they're always nasty.

But as far as house fires, we, we did pull a couple people out of an apartment fire and this thing was ripping so much so that Scott Williams and Zach Kwiakowski, they, they actually made entry just before us and they had to back out.

42:40

It was too hot.

And then we came in after them and we're able to make it in.

I think they cooled it for us.

We were able to make it in, find the two bodies and get them out.

And I thought for sure they were going to be charred.

They weren't.

They actually looked normal other than they had some soot and ended up actually they were in respiratory rest Scott Ellers tubed them.

43:02

Oh.

Yeah, double tubes.

Yeah, and they and those people ended up living Scotty Double tubes.

Scotty double tubes.

Yeah, I remember.

I remember hear about that call.

It's crazy man, It's all in the same damn city.

It's not spread out.

Yeah.

It's kind of stuff.

Any firefighters you talk to, it's kind of stuff happens.

Yep, pretty much.

43:18

You'd be shocked at the amount of this stuff you see through a 25 or 30.

Year that's what makes for me personally these stories because I can relate to it even more because I understand what the fire look like not having not been there.

I just in my mind, I know what the fire look like.

I know what the feelings were.

You can see the bodies, the whole thing.

43:34

You kind of you kind of visualize that.

Yeah, you smell it?

You it's.

Crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

I feel like I can go my whole career and not go through a triple homicide with children.

I think I'd be cool with that.

Without a doubt, I don't.

Yeah, without a doubt.

Most people will go through their entire life without seeing a dead body, let alone the vicious things that we see happen to people.

43:59

Yeah, probably over and.

Over again.

Stadium full.

Yeah.

You know, between all of us.

Yeah.

Crazy.

So as you guys know, Robert Fisher's body was not found in the house because that was their initial thoughts is like this was a gas explosion and the whole family's gone.

44:15

Right, except for the slit throats.

Well, they figured that out because initially they were so charred and that that came just.

Being a Dick.

Yeah, yeah, normal.

Shocker.

Shocker.

So the investigators would find that the furnace in the back of the house had been disconnected and left to free flow gas into the house.

44:35

The gas was eventually sparked, which created the explosion by a candle that Robert Fisher had lit prior to leaving.

No shit.

So cuts the gas line, gets gas cranking, puts a candle.

On.

And gets out of there.

44:51

Interesting.

So because of the delay of the explosion, they estimated left Robert Fisher with approximately a 10 hour head start.

Damn.

Yep, interesting.

So on April 14th, 2001, Robert Fisher was officially named a person of Interest and an arrest warrant was issued.

45:10

How far could you get?

In 10 hours. 10 hours Colorado.

I get to work.

California, Mexico.

Well, deep into Mexico.

You can fly, I mean.

Well he could have, yeah, but they would have a video then.

Oh this was pre 911 though.

45:26

Yeah, so on April 20th, 2001, Mary's forerunner was found deep in the Tono Forest with Robert's dog holding the Fort down.

So this is where it gets interesting, right?

Because you said how far can you get?

Yeah, What you know for sure is that he definitely went into those woods and hung out there because the dog was still there alive by the car waiting for him.

45:53

So he.

Brought the dog.

Wait, wasn't he shooting dogs?

He was, but not his dog.

So that that from what I wear, that played into another change in his psychological profiling because the cruelty that he displayed then wasn't translated.

So he had something in like in the dog that he wanted.

46:09

So they just equated that and kind of changed the profile a little bit.

But what's interesting about that was I bet you.

Because the dog gave him sex every day.

Every other day.

Every other day.

Yeah, yeah.

No hand jobs, though.

No, no thumbs.

That's.

The problem?

They'll get you a good.

Jar of peanut butter in your.

46:25

Yeah, yeah, you're set.

This is.

A best run for life.

So when they came, they found his car there.

When they found the car there, his dog was there, right?

Correct.

So he was close by, right?

And then he got, and then he saw them come in and then he bailed from where he was.

Or there's a theory, I don't know if you got this or it's coming up.

46:43

There is a theory that he he went up and staged that previously to throw everybody off.

So in that area of the tunnel forest, there's a shit load of naturally formed caves, some of which run very deep and in a maze like fashion.

47:00

Police only searched one of the many caves that are out there.

Which initial thoughts are, are you kidding me?

But there are a lot of these caves and they do like people get lost.

Seasoned spelunkers get lost in these caves.

47:17

Splunk spelunkers.

Splunkers so.

There's a whole, is there a whole group of people that have gone?

There is.

And they've never found obviously anything or anything really interesting in those caves, right?

You covered all those tracks.

47:33

So the location, now here's where we get into some of the stuff that you talked about.

The location the Forerunner was found at is also only about a mile from the Fort Apache Indian Reservation, and as it turns out, a couple driving along the road that Robert Fisher would have had to cross saw a man matching his description walking down the road 2 days before the Forerunner was found.

47:58

The couple reported the encounter, but it wasn't followed up on until sometime later and the reservation was never searched.

So I did a little reading into that couple and they swear that was him walking down that.

Rd. right guys?

48:18

Am I right?

Right.

Right.

Guys.

You with me fucking?

Funny, dude.

I don't know why it was funny.

So fucking pretty funny.

Because you're stoned, that's why.

Yeah, a little bit.

A little bit.

There are many theories about if Robert Fisher is alive or dead and if alive, where he might be.

48:40

The police still receive hundreds of tips a year.

And so you talked about this, Rob, you say that there's definitely you talked about some of the kind of theories about where he might have been, some sightings.

Medical knowledge just they mentions medical knowledge extreme amount of like camping equipment, survival gear.

49:05

He had a meticulous plan, they think sufficient period of self-sufficiency in the wilderness.

He'd gone a bunch of training survivalist camps.

I know you guys don't like using that term for he.

Failed.

He's a failure.

Leading up to the murders, he withdrew a significant amount of money from his bank accounts.

49:25

Not just the ATM stuff, but like I guess you took a ton, a ton of. 280 bucks that won't get you shit down, but back then that was the good old days.

That's right everyone.

Gas was a dollar.

I do.

They think that some theory suggests that Fisher may have constructed or had access to an underground bunker or hidden hidden shelter in the Arizona wilderness.

49:46

He would have equipped it with food supplies.

Necessities allow him to remain there for years without needing to go to the surface or be found.

And he was also a great chess player.

Where's that Bobby Fischer?

That's Bobby Fischer.

Oh, close.

OK.

That's what we're talking about the the chess player, the whole.

50:03

Time so like every one of these we get to the end of he's a sick fuck.

You know, to kill someone in itself I can't imagine, but to kill your wife and children?

At that point, I don't give a shit about your childhood.

Same here.

You're dead to me.

You have no.

50:18

Business on earth and you.

See Dogs.

And you shoot dogs to boot.

Yeah, so great episode to have you back.

Happy to be here.

That's it folks.

Let's clean up.

And did you pack it up?

Dude, yeah, rock home, right?

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50:42

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