Christine Paolilla

Grab your besties for Dinner at the Deuce while the boys load up the story of a backstabbing BFF and friendships that misfire.

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The Case of Christine Marie Paolilla:Unraveling in Clear Lake, Mystery Crimes (Podcast)
What Led a High School “Miss Irresistible” to kill 4 of her friends? Examining the Clear Lake Murders, People; Sean Neumann

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0:00
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That one's, you know, spicy one.
Yeah, That's go and get me.
That's go and get me.
0:36
We just want to.
We just got a little shroomy.
We just went to funky town.
Yep, let's do it all right.
Better time welcome.
To dinner at The Deuce.
You're here with Víctor García, crazy Rob Anders and fancy Lance Carlson.
0:55
Grab a chair, belly up.
Chow's on, get going.
Chow's on.
Chow chow chow, chow.
Chow's on all.
Right working fire for Christine Pale Lilla.
OK.
Hello, Lilla.
Lilla.
Yep.
And this is an interesting, they all are interesting, Yeah.
1:11
But these.
I don't know much about this one.
No amazes to hear it.
I don't think Lance says either, which is good.
I'm interested to hear your guys take kind of as it unfolds.
All right, let's do it.
But it is going to be interesting because there were multiple people like you had said, Rob, and I think there's some some pieces of this that kind of hit close to home as far as people's thoughts on loyalty and friendship and and how that plays into deception.
1:40
Deception.
I love deception.
This one will probably strike some emotion for sure.
Oh.
What type?
Yeah, should I take the Xanax The bad?
Kind of emotion.
Need Xanax?
Copy that.
Really.
No.
OK, let me take a little another.
Little let me take a little bump of Xanax.
1:56
So Christine born in Long Island, New York on March 31st, 1986.
So she's a youngin.
Oh yeah, baby.
Her mother Lori was a stay at home mom and her father was a construction worker.
2:12
That boy.
So all American.
All American, right?
Yeah.
When Christine was two years old killer her father passed away from a construction accident.
Well, that's.
Unfortunate.
So.
Hard hat, hard hat.
Yes, well, so.
Who was OSHA?
I did some reading to.
2:29
OSHA was no show.
I see what you did.
There very clever.
I tried hunting this down because I wanted to know what the heck happened to him and I couldn't find details.
But what what I did find is that somehow a pile of bricks hit him.
2:44
I don't know what that's.
Not a good way to build a house.
No.
You're right, guys.
Am I?
Right, right.
You with me?
Fucking hit me like a pile of bricks.
So, so pile of bricks, all the yellow, and that's all I know about how Dad died.
But I do know this it was an absolutely pivotal time in the Paleola family.
3:03
Pivotal, pivotal PIV of a wolf time.
Is that's the perfect time to become a killer?
Yes, a murderer, and it's all excusable.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, because it happened when.
The murder was in the family.
My dad got hit with a pile of bricks.
Exactly.
Let's.
Start Let's get to killing.
3:19
Yeah, let's get to the kill.
OK, is that how that works for sure?
Apparently.
So.
Damn it.
So right at that same time, Christine would lose her grandpa and her great grandmother and so.
She on the same dad's side, like that whole family just wiped out, Yeah.
3:37
Basically, wow.
And so for her at that age, it most certainly was very pivotal.
So Lori, the mom right after the death, the stay at home mom after the death of her husband, she started using and abusing drugs, Yeah.
3:55
That's a tough, that's a tough act to follow.
And D it got deep like heroin, you know, pretty, pretty hardcore stuff.
My understanding though is that she she did drugs prior but but.
Wabbled.
She did, but when this happened, like it went, it went over the edge.
4:13
I don't know, they're always like.
Bro I think it's.
All folks.
Now, yeah, I think it's like everyone.
It's it's everywhere.
Yeah, I think so.
I think it's.
Always been cool honestly.
In 2007, Laurie's drug problem finally spiraled out of control and she lost custody of her children.
4:30
Christine was 7 when that happened.
Lost everything.
Was just two young and she had one older brother.
So I will say from a, you know, again, not justifying anything that's to come, but from a child standpoint, the death, the, you know, the father passing the family, passing your mother, he becomes an addict, he loses.
4:52
Custody means nothing to Lance.
It's just no.
Those are just excuses.
Stop that just excuses no when no you're making me out.
Now swimming backstroke, yeah.
That's not true.
So she she's not, let's put it this way, we can all agree to this.
5:08
She's not off to a good start.
No, I.
Had no fault of her own.
For sure.
I you know why?
Because I also put myself in my children's shoes if I you.
Don't fit in your children's shoes.
I That's true.
5:25
But you know, if I were to die on the job like he did, you know, obviously my kids love me more than anything.
Yeah.
Even their mother.
Yes.
Not no, but I no, I get it.
5:42
I have a heart and stuff.
Yeah, Rob, you do.
Thank you.
Yes.
I know you do OK.
So.
It's made out of paper.
Paper So on a good note, Lori was eventually able to kick her addiction issues at a grow up and regain custody of her children there.
You go.
That's motivation.
5:57
Positive.
So, so Christine though she went to live with her grandparents and her brother during that time.
He said they were dead other grandparents.
Other grandparents correct?
Yeah, Rob.
Yeah, so shortly after all of that, Lori remarried and moved her family to Clear Lake City, Texas.
6:17
So.
HVAC specialist.
Yeah, she stayed in the construction industry, so.
I got it.
This is fucking funny to me anyways.
6:34
OK, so kind of back to what we talked to.
As you can see, Christine had a rough start to childhood.
Loss of her father, her grandparents, mom's drug issue, you name it.
Not good.
And to make it worse, I think this was only the tip of the iceberg as far as critical factors that affected the development of a young girl or young woman.
6:59
So when Christine was in kindergarten, she was diagnosed with alopecia.
Oh.
No.
We'll get to that in a second.
This is a condition characterized by some or all loss of hair on the body.
Christine had what is called alopecia totalis, which means she lost all hair on her body.
7:20
She's.
Superior.
Remember that movie Powder?
Yeah, yeah, dude, that was a Those people have special powers.
But he was in.
He was in albino.
Yeah, I don't know the difference, but I'm pretty sure if I see.
A.
You spell them differently.
I'm going the other way because they will.
7:38
They'll ZAP.
Sure.
ZAP me.
Yeah. 100 they can yeah, shocking.
They can rain.
They can rain in lightning for sure.
They.
Absolutely can.
All of them can, really.
This is true.
It's science.
Rob, it's science I saw.
Read a book for.
One I know I watch TikTok, I get my news.
7:54
From a reliable source, they're not a boy, so.
Yes.
So some folks with alopecia can grow their hair back, but that only happens in about 10% of the cases.
Not me, I got back hair up the ass dude.
So.
I got I'm the anti alopecia.
8:10
What's the anti alopecia?
Who?
Raise your hand if you've seen the rake hair thong?
No.
Yeah, Come on.
The Rake Hair Thong I.
I went through therapy to block that out of my mind.
Thank you.
Yes.
Anyways, if you know, you know.
If you know, you know what the rake hair thong is.
8:27
So, so the alopecia I can only imagine for even for young boys it would be bad, but young girls, that's that's horrible.
She's.
Fucking a bad deck of cards man.
That's just what happened.
8:42
Horrible I I I can only imagine not putting, you know, my daughter in those shoes and what that the damage that that would have done to her long term.
I can only imagine.
Well, just starting to father through that, you know what I mean?
As well as her parent.
8:57
For sure.
Devastating without a doubt.
So she had to start wearing wigs.
Even worse to, you know, to stack it on top.
She had horrible vision.
But flip the negative into a positive.
It doesn't have to do her hair, she just puts it on.
Did she be a redhead?
9:13
A brunette.
Yeah, at will.
No hair money on hair.
That's a dream.
Yeah.
And you know what, dude?
More, more, I bet you.
More women I bet you I.
I wonder if they would literally consider it would be easier for them to all just shave their heads and get wigs if that's something they would.
9:29
Prefer I'm not even diving into this because you're going to get us all killed and strung up right now.
I don't want either one of those things, so let's just move.
On Yeah, let's just move on.
I agree with you on that one, squirrel.
So.
So she had to start wearing wigs and to make things worse, she had real bad vision.
9:46
Had to wear those, you know, Coke bottle glasses like the big thick.
Ones you're just painting the picture.
Yeah.
So so far it sounds like.
Murderer to me.
Yeah, at no fault of her own.
For sure.
Yeah, it's totally absolved, completely.
10:01
Innocent.
Yeah, it was my childhood.
So, and again, as you guys can imagine, oh we are, she was relentlessly bullied and harassed.
Oh yeah.
In her yeah.
10:17
Kids, no.
And harassed.
Harassed.
Never mind, I'm not laughing.
I thought you said something.
Else I'm laughing at him.
Bullied in never mind.
So so you look kids, kids can be shit heads.
10:34
Oh, for.
I have Mike.
So you guys have older children and I'm just start.
I'm starting the teenage phase, dude.
I'm I'm understanding, man.
And I'm very fearful because I don't know how I'm going to react, right?
Get to the point.
Land the plane.
10:50
That's it.
That's that's, that's the no, no, I'm not.
I'm trying.
No, I'm trying to build a a sympathizer.
What you're trying to do is actually build a sentence, and it's just not right.
All right, Can we cut this out?
We'll, we'll.
Cut this out.
So, so listen.
11:07
On a serious note, kids, these kids, kids are assholes.
Run up, snatch her, wig off her head and make fun of her.
I got to tell you not to say I probably don't remember all of it, but I don't remember ever picking on kids.
11:24
I don't remember I.
Got picked on.
I didn't I didn't pick on kids.
I had a friend of mine won't give you a last name.
First name is Kyle.
And he got made fun of and I knew this kid from like kindergarten, first, second, third.
I still talk to him today and he they got made fun of and I would that kid, I would always defend him because that fucking shit pisses me off.
11:45
Don't, don't pray on the.
Weed, I felt like I was always on the other end defending.
Yeah, I was on that spectrum too, where I, I didn't like, you know, we all grew up from like hearing about bullying, you know, the anti bullying campaigns and stuff like that.
At least I did.
And dude, and I, I teach my kids, man.
12:04
I I will defend you getting kicked out of school for helping kids who are getting bullied.
That's 100.
Percent.
I will absolutely like tell the principal to eat shit and I'll home school if that's what it if what I have to do, if what you did is justified, right?
12:20
Yeah, absolutely.
Doing the right thing for the right reasons.
Like I knew bullying was always a thing, but I never like really truly visualized to the extent of someone pulling.
Like that's just being an asshole, right?
Those are 100% that's that's poor parenting.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
And I would say, you know, generally speaking, kids are victims and the kids that are probably picking on them are probably victims themselves of stuff that's happening at home, sure, but nonetheless.
12:45
Kind of my point.
Evil.
Yeah.
Shitheads.
So, so right, so you guys remember mom moved them to Texas, right, Clear Lake, Texas.
Christine attended Clear Lake High School from 2002 to 2006.
13:03
And to give you an idea about that high school in that area, there's a NASA like headquarters right there in Clear Lake and so.
Guilty murder.
Done.
Yeah, she's a murderer.
So wait.
13:19
I'm not correlating.
Those well, so I'm no, he's joking so so.
That was a joke.
It's sarcastic.
Oh, so I rewind.
Did it say it again?
What?
Did you say anybody who grows up around NASA as a murderer?
Obviously.
Clearly.
That's why we're here, Rob.
That was funny.
13:35
Fuck Clear.
OK, got it.
So.
So that was what came first there, the NASA headquarters. 10 years later, I think that high school was built and so the community developed around that NASA facility.
13:51
And so most of the people that live in that community are NASA engineers.
Most of the kids are obviously kids of, you know, literally rocket scientists of a pretty affluent neighborhood, all, all things considered, right?
14:09
So 2002 to 2006.
In late 2002, 2002, Christine was befriended by two of what would be considered popular girls.
Their names were Rachel Colorudis and Tiffany Rowell.
Both girls were a year above Christine.
14:29
Now here's where it kind of gets cool and then shitty at the end.
Rachel and Tiffany purposefully sought out Christine because they didn't like the way she was treated by other classmates.
So we're getting to exactly what we talked about.
People would fuck with her, right?
14:45
And these were two good girls who.
Had compassion, empathy, and recognize the reality.
Of the situation yes.
And they're like hey, we we can't let that happen and so they befriended her yeah.
And did what you would hope our own kids would do I think with a situation like that.
15:06
Rachel was by all accounts an amazing young woman that's.
Rachel Colerutis.
She was considering joining the United States Air Force.
She was extremely artistic.
Spent most of her time as spent most of her time as grade schooler and middle schooler as a youth counselor so.
15:31
How old is she?
Yeah, as a teenager.
Yeah, I mean, I guess younger like babysitting, but.
I mean, that's, that's pretty impressive.
I mean.
Yeah, 100.
Percent, Yeah.
You think that as a teenager?
Maybe by now would be, well, that's more selfless.
15:47
Yeah, that's.
More selfless.
Most kids are thinking about themselves.
Right.
She's got the capacity to be on the 90s.
Or the 2000s, right?
She's she's looking to give back and so you can see for sure our in what's being built or they were they were good girls, they had a good upbringing and and generally we're doing.
16:06
But I have a feeling something's going to go.
Well, a little haywire it it will OK, so Tiffany roll.
That's why we're.
Here.
She was described as extremely lovable.
She always had a radiant smile.
Her mother had passed away in 1998, which was a bonding point for her and Christine because as we talked about, Christine's dad had passed away when she was young.
16:30
Those two girls were so close that Tiffany actually carried a picture of Christine in her wallet.
So so.
It gets a little weird.
Well, I don't, I think just.
You have a picture of me in your wall.
No, but we're.
You have a girls and girls and guys are different now, dude.
16:47
I think with girls.
That they shower with each other and like do weird stuff like guys like like kick each other's asses and shit.
Yeah, we showered together to the station, didn't we?
Yeah, but I don't have a picture of you in.
In your wallet.
No, see, that's my point.
17:03
Well.
I don't think that's that out of the normal for women.
Yeah.
OK.
And so.
Tell me how women get a pass on that.
Yeah, 100%.
And so again, you see what's being built.
They they established a good relationship.
They were, they were good girls.
17:20
Both Tiffany and Rachel taught Christine a lot, but how to do her makeup.
They helped her as far as a sense of fashion, but the main advantage of their friendship was that it brought Christine instant credibility with the cool kids.
17:37
Dude, no joke, I hate to sound like that guy, but this is.
Oh, here we.
Go.
No, no, hold on.
This is the the Mean Girls.
Mean Girls the movie.
Yeah, This is Mean Girls, that movie.
Yes.
Did the I haven't seen it, Yeah.
Avi.
17:57
And I want to say.
Too, I haven't seen it.
What is that?
What is the?
What is the premises of this?
Movie basically.
As if.
Basically this that's I thought that was say it can't buy me love.
Oh my.
God.
OK, we got to move on these.
18:13
You were killing me.
God, yeah, that's not it.
You're wrong.
So.
So the girls not only took her in as a friend, they did everything in their power to help her have a better, I think, run at high school, which pretty cool.
18:31
Again, it's something for me I would hope that my kids would do in those same positions.
So in 2003, Christine was actually voted Miss Irresistible at Clear Lake High School.
That same year, Christine began a relationship with a 21 year old named Christopher Snyder.
18:52
She was 17 at the time, a little boy.
Living up to a reputation man miss irresistible that is very sexual in nature for eyes.
It it, it's a.
It definitely has that connotation.
What does that mean?
I don't know but.
19:08
If it's not sexual, like like OK, if it's not sexual, what does that mean?
What I'm guessing is that she had like a contagious smile or.
Hold on, you got.
To give me this Oh, you're a wildly.
I'm looking at mistake.
I got to find this.
I got to see a picture.
So I'll keep going while you look.
So.
So she starts dating Chris Snyder, right?
19:25
He's 21 years old.
She's 17.
I really wasn't able to find a lot on Chris Snyder only.
That the knees are rapper.
Yeah, basically he he was described as aggressive and pushy and that he had a how do you spell?
19:41
Her last name, sorry.
He had a hard drug problem.
Oh shit, how do you spell it?
Paoloa PAO.
PAO.
ILLA so this you know obviously this is where things start going South OK her friends are about to graduate she she starts dating this older guy that.
20:05
Really sounds like a shit head.
And for a 17 year old, he's 21.
So for a 17 year old, she's the things that he's probably been doing for years are brand new to her.
She doesn't know any of that world yet.
The drugs and party voting, all that stuff.
20:23
Voting Yeah, the Maggie.
Nudie mags, Nudie mags.
I get it.
So let's get into those two relationship a little bit because I it factors in.
I think the opinions of their relationship vary immensely depending on who's doing the talking.
20:41
So as you can imagine, friends of Chris have their opinion and friends or family of Christine have their opinion and they really are kind of night and day.
So Christopher's parents describe Christine as very insecure, jealous, psychopathic, and generally not a good girl.
21:01
Oh really?
Like what you describe a child who's had a shit childhood?
Strange.
You 21 year old straight like weird ass dude.
You would, you know what I mean?
Like of course they're going to say that because I'm sure he's a shithead too and they want someone to scapegoat him.
21:20
Well, he's a 21 year old dating a 17 year old with A and he's got a hard drug problem.
Yeah, and I'm sure like his parents describe him as definitely not a statutory rapist.
Yeah, no doubt.
They seem to be missing some pieces of it, yeah.
21:36
So his parents are credible.
So.
But there was some things in defense.
So according to Christopher's parents, Christine would call incessant incessantly and had at least once slept in their front yard overnight and threatened to kill their whole family if Chris didn't come out.
21:55
I've done that.
So yeah, that's normal, right?
Right, guys, Who's with me?
Right, Right guys.
Right, right.
So so their relationship is definitely interesting.
During one of their fights, she stopped arguing, licked his face top to bottom, spit on the ground and then walked away.
22:19
Damn, that's a woman right there.
God damn, it's like I'm.
Going.
To tell you right now, my wife did that.
Holy shit you'll win every damn.
So, yeah, so interesting, right?
22:36
I don't even know what to say to that.
I'm aroused, is what you got to say.
About Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Huh.
So, yeah, with all due So, so on the other hand, right, that's that's Chris's people.
On the other hand, Christine's family says face liquor that the face liquor says that Christopher was abusive and controlling and would often keep Christine from seeing her friends and family.
23:00
Christine implied that he raped her, but never said it directly.
Both both sides are toxic. 100%.
And they're feeding.
They're perfect for each other.
Absolutely.
So I do think that Christine's family had some genuine concerns, which I think we would all agree.
23:20
Christopher had a lengthy criminal record and spent time in prison for an armed robbery just after he had met Christine.
Statutory rape.
Yeah, not to not even counting that right.
So an armed robbery, you know the kids 21.
23:36
Yeah, it's only.
Going to be a worse.
Yeah, you want to talk?
About psychology, what is the psychology of women who are attracted to shit heads?
Which is, yeah.
Like guys were like bad boys, bad boys.
That's a representation of herself worth Yeah, knock that makes.
23:53
A that makes a lot of sense.
Sorry, Last damn Rob.
Yeah, sorry.
All right.
Case dismissed.
Going to drop that nugget on him, huh?
OK.
So and we said he the Chris also had a bad drug problem.
24:09
And of course he introduced Christine to drugs as well.
And the more time they spent together, the more drugs that Christine started doing.
Fuck.
Exponentially.
Yeah, and this, this takes us into the murders.
24:26
OK.
So.
Well that is a got a feeling.
About everybody.
Steep, steep slope.
But what I'm curious about, because I have not heard the story, is who kills who?
Well, and that does get very interesting.
24:41
OK, We'll spend, I'm sure lengthy time talking about the murders.
OK, so.
Let's start right now.
Let's start right now.
So on July 18th, 2003, Christine and Christopher went to Tiffany Rolls home in Clear Lake City.
24:59
So how old is she at this time?
Well, 2003 so.
She was born when in 84.
Yes, 84 and 8686, OK.
Fuck, dude.
Yeah, so.
Young.
So 2003, July 18th, they head over to Tiffany Roll's house.
25:17
So and then let me give you a little back story about Tiffany's house because remember, they graduated a year before her.
So they had got an apartment and they're in college doing their thing.
And, and so here's a little bit about that house.
25:34
When Tiffany and Rachel graduated high school, they rented a house together, as you can imagine, with two college girls.
There was frequent partying at the house to include plenty of drug use.
And my assumption is that you're probably talking about a lot of weed because in my at least I I parted a lot growing up for sure.
25:58
And that was the norm is a lot of beer and a lot of weed.
And every now and again, some shithead would roll in with some.
Some like hard.
Drug some cocaine or even heroin on occasion, but that was rare and it's it stood out.
26:15
In high school for me, cocaine was like reserved for like rock stars, you know I mean like you.
It never even crossed your mind that like your own buddies would do it and and I was my opinion was the same as yours.
Like when I found out some my friends were doing that, I was like what are you doing?
26:34
Same here it.
Blew my mind.
It absolutely blew my mind.
But everyone has that friend.
When I was drinking, they were smoking weed.
When I was smoking weed, they were doing cocaine.
They were always a step, yeah, they were always a step ahead as it came to like getting into that stuff.
26:54
If it comes from the earth, I'm good with it.
I've.
Never done anything other than marijuana.
I know me well.
Me either, really.
Like no like psychedelics like.
No, I haven't done.
I'm sorry, vanilla.
Do I am?
I am heading down the road training myself so I eventually do the drive.
27:11
Dimethyltryptamine, the DMT, the Ayahuasca.
What is that looking for?
It's just is that LSD?
No, no, it's the most potent psychedelic known in this world.
We produce it naturally in our bodies.
It's inside of our lungs.
They theorize it might be in our pineal gland.
27:26
Has to do with some of the experiences relate to like near death experience.
That's a whole.
Get this, when I was in high school, I think I was in high school or just out of high school, I did mushrooms with some buddies of mine that.
Was my favorite.
We were in a house just down the street on rural.
27:45
Fast forward, I go to the I graduate high school, go to the military.
I get out of the military, get hired with the city.
I'm on engine 274.
Our first call that I ran was to that same house that I did those mushrooms in.
No shit, different people live there, but I was looking at brick walls and stuff that were.
28:04
Do you?
Think that maybe you're actually still tripping it.
There was a piece of me that's like, this is this is fucking odd.
This is weird.
Yeah, this is crazy.
Yeah, crazy.
Yeah, but anyways side now.
So back to the story.
So Tiffany's boyfriend and remember, Tiffany is the friend, right?
28:21
Tiffany Roll, her boyfriend was a guy named Marcus Priscilla and he spent a lot of time there and by all accounts basically lived there with her.
He was there that much.
So everything up until now is fairly innocent, right?
28:38
Like nothing bad.
Probably just.
I mean.
Necessities and jealousies and those kinds.
Of things well, no, because she's still friends with the people who took her in for because she had alopecia and a bunch of yeah, all that you know right.
So she actually has some friends that she has invested interest in, like trust.
28:56
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Right.
So she if anybody's gonna burn her, it's these girls.
Yep, it's probably coming.
I just want to know who kills who.
Well, again, yeah, you'll see.
It gets it gets interesting.
There's a lot of players right now we're up to like 5.
29:11
Six.
So excited.
Yeah, yeah.
So, so this guy, Marcus Priscilla, who's Tiffany's boyfriend, he has a cousin named Adelbert.
And this, this kid had only been in clear like, for about a week.
Guilty.
Sorry.
He'd left the north side of town to get away from violence.
29:31
I guess that was kind of the shittier side of town and to kind of get a new lease on life, which sucks.
We'll, we'll talk a little bit more about that in just a second.
Marcus dabbled in drug dealing.
Now he.
29:48
Was the north side of town.
Yes, it sounds to me like he for the most part sold weed and like Molly and like some pass Molly Molly he's.
Like a class like 3 drug dealer.
Yeah, he's not.
30:04
Is.
He from Breaking Bad.
Right.
No, no, okay, yeah, he's not your high end drug dealer that's dealing with cartels.
You call the go to man?
No.
Yeah, the middleman at best.
Wannabe.
Yeah, yeah, she.
Yeah, I said.
Wannabe.
He's not our guy.
I know he's that guy, Not that guy.
30:21
Yeah.
Yeah, so.
Ideal aspirin.
If you got a headache, come see me.
Yeah, OTC over the counter drugs.
What do you want?
Yeah.
So.
Christine, we'll throw in a little Pepto.
Christine and Christopher knew the four people in the house well and had partied with them many times, so it would not have been out of the ordinary for them to show up there.
30:46
So again, you know, you've got this house with basically four people living in it, Tiffany, Rachel, Marcus and Adelbert.
In their 19 teens and late teens and 20s.
Yes, correct, Correct.
31:01
Disaster.
So something's coming.
Who's going who?
So right, this is on July 18th.
Tiffany, Rachel, Marcus and Albert all at home at that time.
According to Christine, the plan was to steal the drugs that Marcus had and the money they assumed would be there.
31:22
Oh, here we go.
Tripping, dude.
Yep.
So according to Christine, Christopher and Marcus got into an argument which led to the shootings.
Oh no.
Smart so.
Who shot who?
So we're at the house, Christine and Chris go there to rob them money and drugs, she says.
31:45
The two guys get into an argument, shootings commence.
The crime scene was horrific.
And if you guys get a chance, you can look it up.
There's pretty in depth pictures of that crime scene and it it's it is a mess.
Like that bloody can smell the iron.
32:02
All of that.
So real quick, when, when Christine and her boyfriend because you said there was an argument, right?
Of course of well, of course there's going to be an argument when you are robbing someone.
Right.
32:18
Right, So what I'm asking is they went in there with the intent to rob them.
Did The Who was having the argument?
Was the argument already having?
And then they go, I'm going to rob you now.
My guess is what she's saying is that Marcus and Chris got into an argument because Chris probably came in and said give me your money and drugs.
32:39
Yeah, that's where the fucking argument.
Comes in right, Exactly kind of kind of expected.
Like a mute point.
Like of course you're going to have an argument.
Like what are you?
What are you doing?
You're robbing.
Me or you could just be a polite gentleman like.
Oh dah, you're robbing me.
32:55
Fuck, the drug's over there.
Thank you so much.
Here's my money.
Oh God yeah.
Would you like the combination of the save?
So.
So yeah, that party's a little silly, yeah.
That's redundant.
33:10
That's her story.
All right, so look at the crime scene because I took a look at it and I will tell you that we've all been on some bloody, bloody calls.
And this is, I would say would have ranked up there with some of the bloodiest ones that I've seen.
33:29
And granted, there was a lot of people involved, so that kind of accounts for it, but it it did.
It sound like this was more of like a crime of opportunity, passion.
All of the above.
So like it They didn't plan to murder everyone is what I'm saying.
Like.
33:44
I don't think so.
OK, I don't think so, no, but I don't know.
But she gets.
Cray, right, Right guys?
So.
So almost 40 rounds of ammo were fired from two different weapons.
You're a horrible.
34:00
Shot Yeah, so.
What if you shot me in the face?
It's a chance we're willing to take.
It.
That's right.
So 40 rounds.
So you can imagine, all right, every victim was shot multiple times, but a few of the specifics make it all that much more gruesome.
34:16
So you, this is where I think we'll have some conversation in this.
Both girls were shot in the genitals.
Damn.
So.
That's after they were dead.
You think so?
No.
Yeah, that no.
I don't think it was.
Maybe they finished, maybe they tried to block it with their genitals.
34:34
Yeah.
Wonder Woman, So labia of steel.
Yeah, I don't know.
I've seen it.
These were these were two girls that.
Which 2 girls?
The two girls, Rachel and Tiffany, that basically.
Oh, the friends.
The friends, the good girls.
34:50
Yes, the big girls.
They're bullets with their vents.
Yes, I think they got shot in the head first and then that was a well thought well.
Not necessarily the case.
And yeah, you would think Rob.
But you'd be wrong.
Hey, I'm being like a detective.
35:07
Right now I'm putting this together.
This is the first time I've heard this.
So.
Plugging the pieces.
Together, so you got these people that these two girls that you know good girls they recognize she needed help and helped her.
They became great friends.
But clearly when you one will rob people 2 kill them.
35:26
But to shoot, to do things like that, there's other problems, you know, you've got some built up anger to to do that.
I don't know what I mean.
I'm not obviously a psychiatrist or a psychologist.
35:42
I can't tell you what behind that, but I can tell you this.
Some ain't right.
I feel like I should make a joke about that but like I don't even know where to start.
I've got like 8 of them on the tip of my tongue.
I I don't even know where to start at.
All I'm not even.
I'm just laughed to myself so.
I'm not saying about well.
35:58
They're fucking funny.
Yeah, they're super good in my head.
So I just got to, I got to sort them out, yeah.
So we'll, we'll talk more about that.
So, so according to Christine, after the shootings, her and Christopher left the house, but Christine was worried that Rachel was still alive.
36:16
She went back in and found Rachel barely alive but still alive.
Christine was out of bullets at that time, 40 rounds.
They dumped them all.
So she beat Rachel in the head with her revolver with the butt of her revolver until she died, so I guess.
36:38
You could have just choked her out.
You have to beat the shit.
Out of her.
That's angry, man.
That's very personal.
So Rachel, and this is per Christine, Rachel Plaid Y over and over.
She actually had and this is you can see this on the crime scene tapes and images.
37:02
She had her cell phone next to her with 911 on it.
She just didn't get the chance to push the button.
That's when Christine came back in and found her still alive.
Oh my God.
Dude damn and beat her with the butt of her gun to death.
37:21
Fuck.
Yeah.
So, well, when you think about it, her dad did die of having bricks fall on him.
So yeah, so I.
Mean it's all a pass, right?
It's all a pass.
That's a pass.
Yeah, for sure.
37:37
So it's.
Right, guys, Who's with me?
So crazy.
I mean, again, I, I think back to all of the calls that I've been on and I can't think of any like that where you go.
37:55
Holy crap.
Dude, I, I, I dodged one.
No joke.
I was on vacation and my crew, my shift went on a lady who took a a butcher's.
What do you call it?
38:11
Like a cleaver.
Cleaver and leave it.
To Cleaver.
Like went like her and her estranged husband had an argument she walked to like the police and this would actually be a good fire, but went to the district downtown, whatever and like said, hey, I'm I'm not doing good.
38:35
You know, I'm, I'm having thoughts and like nothing happened.
Anyway, she her husband called 911, they broke it up and their suggestion was he go somewhere else, right.
38:50
She stayed with the kids, he goes somewhere else.
So he didn't have a new place to go because it was a port part of town.
Well, he ends up sleeping in his car in the parking lot and she takes a cleaver and to her kids.
No, I didn't.
See that coming?
Yeah.
And then Jim was on that one, so we should probably have him.
39:10
Van Winkie.
No, dude, bro.
Jim Collier.
Van Collier, Collier Collier Collier.
Got it.
But man, what AI remember that?
Because yeah.
Oh oh, you do.
OK, so I was on.
Vacation, she capitated her children.
39:25
Yes, pretty much I.
Kind of remember.
That Yep.
And Jim was the only one to go in.
And man, I, I'm usually, I kind of try to pride myself on being cool and those like situations, but man, I'm really glad I didn't do.
39:42
That 100%.
I don't.
I don't need that man.
I'd I'd like I think too much.
Well, you can't erase.
Yeah, that's there forever.
Yeah, and it it, it's different.
I've seen 1000 dudes you know, and chicks and like grown adults in like the worst positions but like children demanded it.
40:04
Oh yeah, those stick with me.
We, we went on a call up when I was up north for years.
And then Long story short and a, a child was out in the street walking around and the neighbor found the child knew what house he came from.
40:21
And so she went with the kid to the house to knock on the door and say, hey, your kid was in the street and the door was kind of open.
She went to knock and it opened a little and she could see blood.
And that's clearly something had happened there.
So she took the kid, ran and called 911.
40:37
We get there, the two year old was with the neighbor that was the kid that was in the street.
The other child was a year I would say, and she was resting on her mom's chest.
40:55
The father had murder suicide, had shot the mom and then shot himself.
And the kid was just laying on mom crying.
And I most certainly will never forget that.
41:10
I remember driving away from that call thinking I need to, I need to adopt these kids.
I need to, I don't, you know, somehow.
How do you how do you reset from that you how do you erase that?
Yeah, you don't.
It's there, you know.
41:26
The most profound thing about what we do in those experiences are you run that call and you experience it and you see it and you smell it and you feel the emotion, and it's so palpable and thick in the air.
You get back on the truck and you go back and you're going to finish making burritos for dinner and like it like it's just another.
41:45
Day and then you do it again then.
You fight, Yeah, you do it again.
And then you go on a 23 year old college kid that has a stubbed toe and you got to treat him just as nice, you know what I mean?
It's just this total roller coaster mind fuck.
And it might lead some of the listeners or spouses of firefighters to kind of like have a little more understanding to some degree, Not the.
42:06
Grace.
Just some grace.
Just just like it.
The roller coaster ride is fucking real.
Man, it is.
It is.
It's hard to.
Navigate Yeah.
For sure, it really is.
Well, and so the, the cops, the firefighters that went on this call no doubt are having these same stories with each other about this call.
42:24
You know, you can't erase them.
They're there for sure.
For sure.
Yeah.
So.
So they go in, they murder these four people.
Afterwards, Chris drives Christine home.
She gets cleaned up and he takes her to Walgreens for her scheduled shift so kills them.
42:47
Gives you.
The shower straight to work and works her normal shift.
No.
Shit.
Yep.
Wow.
Yep, sorry, I'm dragging today.
I killed my best friends.
Ruthless.
Yeah.
So I'm not doing so good.
Unbelievable tired.
Just but like crime, murder of passion, like shooting them in the.
43:07
Yeah, and I want all that.
Like, my guess is that had to do with probably some type of a jealousy.
Oh.
For sure, yeah.
Were they having sex with these boys that she wanted to get on?
And I don't know, dude, I I think it's that.
Whatever.
Dude drug addiction is a mother lover man.
43:23
I I just assumed she was on drugs, right?
Because her, her had to be.
Boyfriend was.
Creating these narratives that aren't even probably.
That's another piece of for sure.
She could have been completely.
Just fucking bonkers.
Like this whole storyline, you know, and it's all all the way through.
43:38
It's fucked up.
It's weird.
It's really fucking interesting to me though, man.
For sure.
Like how like what part?
Like just a bowl of spaghetti and it comes out this random end and that's what you end up, you know?
But like you said, Lance, a lot of other people have dealt dealt with worse tragedy and being successful, right?
43:57
I've worked with some firemen that were very successful and you listen to some of the shit that they went through.
You know, they find a success.
But it's like, I don't know, man.
It's just twisted.
I think you're, you know, like you're like your brains like a muscle man.
It is what you put into it.
And if you constantly put shit into it and think that you deserve better, you deserve more, you deserve this instead of just being thankful and grateful and you know, man, I, I could be screwed over today, you know, and.
44:27
Yeah.
But I think what you were subjectively and respectfully to you, I think you're missing the point that you're you're you're giving a lot of people a lot of credit in being self aware of how they are or how to recognize how to find that ability to fix it.
Respectfully, you know, and no, I hear that's what's hard.
44:44
No, I get it.
You know what I mean?
And it is, yeah.
And it's it, it certainly I, I have a different mindset or perspective than a lot of other people.
And so I'm not from every walk of life, but for the most part, everyone knows it's wrong to rob, steal and murder.
45:05
You know, for the most part, you know, there are certain factions of life that that's what that's a way of life, so to speak.
But I'm just from the standpoint of like, you know what's right and wrong to the core of you, right?
But people, you're missing kind of a really broader view of that because, yeah, people might recognize what's right and wrong, but there's a level of morality that exists on each side of right and wrong.
45:32
And a lot of people in their experiences, life are going to make that like that's all going to be different, that that right and wrong is right and wrong.
People make choices, and those choices they make are going to be based on whatever level of morality that they were brought up with or assumed or whatever, because it's kind of subjective.
45:50
Yeah, killing someone's wrong.
But you know what, if you culturally, there's the word culturally have grown up in an environment, well, it's kind of like you're desensitized to it because you grow up seeing it.
And I'm talking about some of the inner city cultures.
And like these people that grow up in these communities, they're probably have PTSD and are desensitized.
46:10
The reality of what that truly means.
So then the value of that life isn't as important as people like us.
No.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Aggregate anybody?
I'm just.
Saying no, that makes sense.
You got to kind of maybe.
Appreciate that.
Yeah.
There's a lot of Gray area.
Yeah.
And I would say just to kind of close that out, you most certainly, it takes a higher level of thought to self diagnose and to truly evaluate I think yourself and figure out what's wrong and why you're doing what you're doing without a doubt.
46:42
And not everyone has that ability.
So let's get to the investigation.
So Rachel and Tiffany were scheduled to have a party the night they were murdered.
The kids coming to the party, unfortunately stumbled upon the crime scene and they're the ones that alerted police.
47:01
So kids are showing up, innocent kids, Yeah, with their 6 packs, you know, sacks of weed getting ready to party and.
Double chick shot in the vagina?
Yeah.
Beat to get beat to death.
Yeah.
Yeah, Josh.
Dang man.
This is what they find.
Wow.
So the Police Department, which I kind of get, they focused on the idea of a drug deal gone bad because Marcus Priscilla did have a reputation as a drug dealer.
47:28
And I think with the police as well as the the community, the people in in that friend group, they knew.
So that was their initial thoughts and that's what they focused on.
The neighbors, on the other hand, reported seeing two people dressed in black entering and exiting the house that day.
47:52
They were able to tell that one was a male and one was a female.
They were also able able to give descriptions of the two assailants.
They were actually pretty good descriptions.
Again, if you look at some of the stuff on the Internet you'll see those drawings and they are pretty damn close to Christine and Chris.
48:18
Really close actually.
Even with all of this, no one suspected Christine in the slightest.
In fact, she was bombarded with all of the well wishing attention.
You know, Oh my God, your friends died.
48:33
This is so horrible.
Like everyone wanted to coddle her and take care of her because they, you know, saw her as a victim as well.
Not one witness said yeah, it was some girl with alopecia, I know, and then narrowed it down.
Yes, all.
48:49
Right, I'm silly.
So yeah, unbelievable.
It was a girl with no eyebrows.
So, so get this, the investigation went on for three years before breaking the case.
So those 2GO in, two kids really go in, kill 4 people and get away with it for three years.
49:14
They go on and live their life like it didn't happen.
Crazy.
So, so let's talk a little bit about the what that break in the case was.
So in 2004, Christine and Chris broke up.
He got arrested in Kentucky for auto theft and shortly after that Christine entered rehab.
49:37
So.
So hold on, after they murdered four people, they didn't get their shit together.
They continued being shitheads.
They absolutely did.
When you got away with murder.
You should see my shocked face.
So.
See my shocked face?
So he tries to steal a car, gets caught and she gets sent to rehab and she get she does get clean is my understanding for a time period.
50:01
And and yeah, they actually truly break up and they're done.
OK, now while in rehab, Christine met a fellow by the name of Justin ROTT here.
We go.
Who is of course, a recovering heroin addict.
Data girl, here you go.
50:18
The relationship had all of the fundamentals that solid marriages are made of.
So in 2005 they got married, of course.
Yeah, you fill out that Tinder profile out of rehab.
Still kind of a shit head.
Absolutely.
I mean wipe.
50:34
Swipe yes, I'm in.
Absolutely.
So to add to their marital bliss, Christine came into the inheritance of her fault that her father had left behind for.
Her.
Oh boy.
So.
So I didn't tell you this before.
50:51
How much was it?
Well, I'll tell you in a second, the dad, when he died, had a life insurance policy.
He left it to Christine.
Oh boy.
She was the inheritance.
So the mom, nothing, the son, nothing.
And she didn't get it, obviously, until she turned 18300 and $60,000.
51:12
That's a lot.
And that was when in the 90s. 2005 I'm.
Way off.
So, so crazy 1 he had OK, great, he had a life insurance policy, but why would you not have your wife on that policy or your son?
51:28
So, you know, she obviously, I think the mom could have used some help at that time, but anyway. 360, yeah.
With an awesome daughter like Christine, you don't need help.
So.
So she gets married and bam 360 K drops in her lap and you're just out of rehab with and you decided to marry a heroin addict.
51:51
What are the odds?
Yeah, exactly, man.
If you're a drug dealer.
You're lucky.
Out doing a good job.
So.
It's time to turn that chapter.
In July of 2005, Christine was watching the news and saw an anniversary segment on the Clear Lake murders.
52:07
The segment focused on the two suspects the neighbors saw and the sketches they helped create.
So she's seeing the sketches going oh, shit, that looks like me and that looks like Chris.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, exactly.
52:22
So she freaks out, she confesses to her husband, Justin.
Yep.
Fuck.
Of course she blamed it all on Christopher.
The.
You give me that 360,000, I'm going to tell everybody.
So these these two rocket scientists decide it's time to go on the Lam.
52:42
So he finds out this they both watch the segment and they're like, let's get the hell out of here.
So we got money.
Yeah, we can.
Great plan, yeah.
Exactly.
Agreed.
Yeah, great plan.
I think we all kind of want to do that, right?
But yeah, I'd well besides the murder.
52:59
Part and I don't.
Want to do that shit?
Take off part.
So Christine user inheritance money to rent A motel Who?
Christine and Justin A.
Motel 7 would.
Stay there for roughly 8 months shooting heroin and cocaine to the tune of $500 a day.
53:17
Damn right, living a good life.
Yep, and only coming out.
To buy drugs or get food and they pretty much lived on Cheez, its and Reese's peanut butter cups.
I'm kind of so.
So they're built.
Slowly, yeah.
53:34
So you guys need to.
Look up the pictures, the room that they were in.
Don't tell me I know what exactly what it looks like.
You don't, dude.
I'm telling you, I promise you, I've been inside that room A.
Dozen times is, I'm telling you, as many.
53:49
Times as you've been in a Motel 6 that is.
No, I was that Motel 6 is right by.
The Arby's right by station, too.
Yeah, we ran a call there.
I.
Mean Darrell.
On the battalion and this guy slit his arm so much he was like on high on drugs and then he crawled over the entire apartment or not apartment but motel room ended up in the shower with the water on just running this thing.
54:11
So dude you could smell the blood for like 5 feet from the door.
Dude it was literally wall to wall entire carpet.
His entire blood volume was he was everywhere.
Dude, have you been on that Motel 6?
Call where there's shit on the ceiling I haven't seen.
54:28
Well, not like, actual shit.
Or like I've seen blades shit, Yeah, feces on the ceiling.
Dude disgusting.
So that place was horrible.
So, yeah, no doubt.
Look.
I've Hey.
Side note, pay.
For the extra star, OK, don't go to a Motel 6 if you can afford if you're in that.
54:48
If you can afford the extra star, pay for that.
Sorry, proceed 100%.
I agree with you now.
As much as I look, I worked in that area for a decade.
Yeah, I've been in those Motel Sixes a gazillion times.
A gazillion times.
55:03
And I'm telling you, there was eight months of heroin needles in food wrappers.
They didn't throw away shit.
Oh, you went on that?
You saw that?
No, I'm saying.
In the picture these two.
People, these fuckers.
Yeah, OK, I got.
You.
How do you not do that?
55:19
Where you go?
Yeah, I got a.
Bunch of used heroin needles, but I'm, you know, an adult I'm not I'm going to grab a new one It's it's again, you know what I.
Mean again Lancer giving.
People a lot of credit bro.
Geez, like where you giving?
No, where you?
Go like there's like a whole pile of like used heroin needles and you go, I'm too good for those in the corner.
55:39
I'm not gonna throw them away, but yet I'm gonna just go buy some.
What do you think?
They're actually Lance.
What do you?
Think they are bro I don't know what they are I'm just saying like I'm.
Trying to get, I do I fully understand I'm trying to apply logic to like an illogical situation, but like, there you go, dude.
55:55
There's a dumpster at the Motel 6.
It's a cross the parking lot, then it's 30.
Yards away much?
Credit bro, you guys need to look at the pictures.
It it, I guarantee you'll go OK.
That's another level.
Really.
56:11
If you need me, I'll be over here asleep.
It's impressive.
So get this.
While Christine's in rehab, she confessed to someone about the murders.
Why do they always do?
That Yep, on July.
On July 8th of 2006, Crime Stoppers received an anonymous tip about the Clear Lake murders.
56:35
And this was someone that she, I guess, you know, felt super close with in rehab and told them.
And they said not only did she tell them, they said she bragged she wasn't telling.
Like, I need to get this off my chest.
She was bragging about these murders.
56:52
Cut herself.
Yep.
So stupid.
So July. 19th, 2000. 6 Christine and Justin were.
That's why I've never been caught.
I'll never tell you.
Guys, not even when I don't.
Care if there's a fire?
I'll never.
57:08
Tell you guys how many?
People have murdered Smart.
Thank you.
Thank you, I will.
Never say anything on this podcast genius.
How many people?
Murdered your.
Your eyes don't lie, dude.
I can see right there.
Yeah.
My, my.
No, it's my hips.
My.
Hips don't lie.
57:24
That too.
Thank you.
So July. 19th. 2006 they're arrested.
They found way to go. 70 vials of heroin and over 100 needles in the couple's room.
Wow, they never obviously let housekeeping in the room so it was covered in needles, trash, you name it.
57:49
Vomit, dog shit.
They had a dog in there blood.
We've all been in those.
Well, I've never.
Shit dog shit.
So I hope there's a dog in there.
Yeah, sure.
I've never been.
Accused.
So.
58:05
Justin Rot, the husband folds like a cheap suit.
He tells police about Christine's confession and gives them all of the details.
Gives up his own wife, gave her a Now obviously.
What about all the free hotel?
Six days?
No.
58:21
Didn't matter.
Ingrate.
Just.
Ungrateful.
He came to his.
He came to his.
Senses so of course he's not giving any prison time right So what the all the.
58:36
Crushed ice you could have, dude.
Oh no.
Yeah, what a loser.
The people from Not Smart.
Not smart, no.
So believe.
It or not, he lives.
His life in anonymity.
So he he kind of anonymity, anonymity.
So he.
58:52
I heard that.
I heard that term in.
Nemo, Finding Nemo, that's where I got it.
That's where you got it.
That's where I got it.
So so.
Christopher had moved to Greenville, SC, and was living with a woman he had met online.
On You meant on.
59:09
Rehab No.
Oh, he he met a different.
Woman out of rehab No no, no, no no Christopher is.
The one that she committed the murders with, right?
Wasn't he?
He didn't go to rehab.
Where the?
Fuck, have you been right?
59:25
What do we he?
He went.
He went to.
Prison for attempted auto robbery?
The first dude, yes.
The first dude.
Oh.
Yeah.
OK.
Just full breast, man.
Right, right.
I thought you meant the chick that she.
Meant in rehab that like committed the most no no I'm such a.
59:43
Silly goose.
For the love of Jeepers, Greepers.
So.
So, Christopher, right?
The one that she committed the murders with.
He's living in Greenville, SC with some woman he met online.
One of his family members called him and said hey man, you're fucked and there's a warrant for your arrest.
1:00:04
And so on August 5th, 2006.
Christopher's decomposing body was found in a wooded area near where he was staying at the time he overdosed on prescription painkillers.
What a silly Billy dude.
But where did they find him?
In the woods.
1:00:19
Next to the house he.
Was staying at decomposing.
Wow, you.
Know not living dude it it sounds like pretty.
Much when the family called and told him he's like, all right, well, that's it.
So we went out and that's a wrap for me.
That's a wrap.
Yep, I'm just going to go do.
1:00:37
It.
Yep, and actually.
You say that, but the truth is it is such a horrible tragedy.
All of the lives impacted by this and all because like, honestly, like I don't.
Want to blame it on childhood trauma, but drugs, dude, huge piece of mother, lover, man.
1:00:57
And and we've all, we've all seen this, right?
We've all seen the extent people will do for drugs, right?
And victim or UN victim, whatever you want to call it, alcohol is the worst drug, right, bar none.
It's just not as potent as these drugs.
1:01:17
Or it's a slower killer.
It's a slower killer, right?
Yeah, but man, the war on drugs is a joke.
Just side note, just a little, you know, whatever.
Did you say joke A?
Joke.
Does it say joke?
Joke.
That's a joke, right?
So I'm, I'm saddened for today's America and the future of America for like, because.
1:01:43
Heroin and.
Cocaine and fentanyl, you know, we've all been on on those fentanyl calls, man, it's sad.
And what are you going to do for our kids?
I'm I'm scared for our kids is what I mean.
Well, the tough part is, man, I don't.
1:01:58
Think we're in any different position, to be quite honest with you than we were in, you know, the 60s and 70s and 80s with drugs.
It's, it's what it is, you know, Well, I think that that they have certainly.
Advanced or I, I feel like they're, they're more synthetic.
1:02:13
I mean, we, we've, we've went through the, the, the bath.
What is it?
Bath salt?
Remember bath salt?
Like do you remember the epidemic they were fucking out of?
Control those patients that were high on that.
Right.
Dude, we, we, yeah, we'd fucking chemically, they were chemically restrained them.
1:02:29
And then the crocodile was.
Like had a stent, I don't know where it kind of removed your flesh, you know what I mean?
Like, and if it, if it was just like marijuana, shrooms and cocaine, like those are fairly natural, like occurring substances.
1:02:45
They are.
Yeah.
You know what?
I mean, yeah, one's a.
Leaf.
One's a mushroom and one's a wheat.
One's a yeah, but you know.
Fentanyl is, you know, it is from the poppy, but it's it's just very addicting, you know, and and I I guess what I'm saying is like, I don't want to be sounds so heartless to say like I just want to dismiss all drug addicts, right?
1:03:08
Because, like there is clearly a psychological issue there that makes you want to do things that you wouldn't otherwise normally do, right?
So it's I don't know what the answer is.
I just think that I'd recognize it, you know?
1:03:27
Yeah, there's most certainly.
It's shitty.
I don't know what else to say about that.
So back to the story.
Oh sorry guys side.
Beside you So are we back?
Are we back?
We're.
Back I thought.
We're I thought we'd.
Not that those so Christopher's dead.
1:03:45
Body found OK he O DS on.
Painkillers.
Suicide.
Christine initially designed denied the accusations, but eventually realized, OK, I'm fucked.
So of course she tried to blame it all on Christopher, the kid that just killed himself.
1:04:04
The kid that just killed.
Himself.
She said.
And you guys got to watch her interviews with PD.
She tried to say that he put the gun in her hand, held his hand over hers and squeezed the trigger for her.
1:04:20
Is that how she explained like?
Fingerprints on the weapon she.
Was not very thought out in her stories.
I'll say that you you she had like how many years like figure this shit out and like.
It's obvious that she's making this.
Shit up as she goes 100%.
1:04:38
So she said it was him that shoved the gun in her hand.
It was his idea to to steal the OR attempt to steal the money and the drugs.
He fired the gun first or one of the guns 1st and it was all a huge surprise to her.
1:04:54
Which obviously is a crock of shit.
And she actually.
Said.
That her gun, she, her story changed multiple times, right?
One is, oh, he's got his hand on it.
And then the other story she told us that her gun just went off, that she she didn't know what happened.
1:05:15
It just went off.
It did after she pulled the trigger.
Right.
Yeah, that's what happens.
That's yeah, right.
Yeah, so.
Ridiculous, ridiculous it it would come out.
That Christine.
Which is obvious.
1:05:30
And again, we'll get to, you know, Lance, you're into this thing, but is and is and was mentally ill and and suffered from bipolar disorder.
So look it again, it's kind of merely interesting, right?
Like you said, she, she's a shithead.
1:05:46
She, she killed not just people, but her friends.
She's a horrible human being.
But when you take bipolar and you stack on top of that, heroin and drugs, alopecia, alopecia.
1:06:02
Dad who got.
Crushed by breaks Breaks.
And Coke bottle.
Glasses what you?
Get out of.
That is not something that you or I can understand.
I I truly believe that we we can only put the logic that we know in our lives to those things.
1:06:22
And at the end of the day, that is a very ill person that we're trying to understand, right.
But to Lance's point, that doesn't.
Excuse.
No, and it's not an excuse.
She she's a.
Horrible person, right?
Look, I mean, there's no denying people are going to be held accountable equally, or should be.
1:06:39
You know, I, I, I wonder why there isn't.
People out there who like isn't like just don't inherently do things great.
Like really, really good, like just really, really good people.
It's always like some random people with no motive whatsoever, really truly and just kill people.
1:06:56
Like why can't there be people out there who just like just randomly with like how any thought, like just do great things for each other.
There are just not that many.
I and you and you know what?
I'm not publicized.
Either that's not the stuff that people are going to make.
Podcasts.
Well, that's true, right?
Yeah.
So it's all about.
1:07:11
The horizon I Right, I had to.
This is, this is a good, that's a good point, dude.
This is a good genuine point for us.
In our in our profession.
Is I had to convince myself, and it took a really long time, even after I retired, to recognize the fact that all the cruelty and violent crime and death and everything we experience is still the minority.
1:07:29
Everything else, yeah.
It's a.
Small representation society.
It's truly not how everybody is.
And generally, honestly, if you look at it and you just kind of give people benefit the doubt, everybody's really kind of fucking cool.
It's actually a really good point.
Yeah, just happy, but.
I don't know.
Yeah, you know.
So yeah, you're right.
1:07:46
Good.
Typically goes unnoticed.
It does, you know what I mean?
It's.
Always the horrendous.
You're not going to drive a podcast.
On the freeway all the time, No.
Problem and never gets to know but the second you get in a car accident which is one out of like 10 billion cars or 10 million passes whatever you know so so side note this will get cut but.
1:08:06
Rocky Point Why I'm.
Going to live there for six.
To 8 months out of the year, everyone there is on vacation.
They're drinking, they're laughing, they're dancing, they're happy, they're not in a hurry, they're not pissed off.
And I can always go onto my patio and watch people happy partying.
1:08:25
And it's a whole other vibe, man.
It's an interesting perspective that you.
That you share that because I just recently had the exact same conversation with Carrie and like we were talking about because eventually Caprice can graduate and we'll buy property on the coast in Hawaii somewhere you don't wind up on the ocean.
1:08:42
That's our thing.
So but she's like, do you, do you want to live like where everybody vacations?
You go, yeah, absolutely everybody vacations because.
It keeps you.
Young.
Yeah, it's just.
A good positive vibe.
You know, so absolutely keep it in whatever it's.
1:08:57
Pretty cool, you recognize.
That absolutely so.
On October 13th, 2008, Christine was convicted of four counts of capital murder.
Because she was a juvenile at the time, she was spared the death penalty.
She was given a life sentence.
1:09:15
As fucked up as it is, she is eligible for parole July of 2046.
She'll be 60.
No shit, she.
Killed 4.
People who had who did.
I'm not going to lie, dude, I'm not going to be that guy.
1:09:32
And so like, nobody deserves that.
But like, there's like definitely four people in the back of my mind who definitely deserve it.
And, you know, I mean, like, I don't know, like it's just tragic.
It's just tragic.
Yeah.
The whole thing, man.
You all of these stories, I think that's always kind of my well, one, I go, what the fuck, but two, I end up thinking to myself, you know, because the murder itself is only one piece of it, right.
1:10:01
Then you've got all of the, you know, the ripples in the lake of the families and all the people that so does that does that.
Suggest a cultural issue in that part of the country where all that went on and how they were raised and I don't know, maybe I.
1:10:21
Don't know.
Yeah, I don't know how many.
Other stories are there like this.
There's got to.
Be man a ton we will as.
Long as we do this podcast, we will never even come close to touching the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, we're too sorry.
We're too dumb for that.
Yeah.
1:10:36
And it's too hard to get you guys here.
To actually record them.
So hey, that's hurtful.
All right, fellas, so that.
Is working fire Christine Paolilla That was a good one.
Nice.
That was a good.
One SO.
As you guys know, time to clean up.
1:10:54
All right, let's do the dishes.
Come on.
Dinner's over.
Let's get her.
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