Terry Jo Duperrault

Brace yourself for a gripping tale of murder and survival aboard the ill-fated BlueBelle. Terry Jo Duperrault's extraordinary story stands as one of the most remarkable survival accounts of the past century.


Sources:
Wikipedia
The Horrific Survival Tale of the 11-Year-Old Girl Who Was Orphaned at Sea, Gabe Paoletti
The Sea Orphan, RedHanded (Podcast)

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0:00

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What are we?

What are we eating tonight?

0:43

We are eating the sea orphan seafood.

That's right, seafood.

So spot fire episode 4 this.

Introduction or.

Man, God damn it.

You're such a silly wrestler.

Don't even cut that.

Just do it.

0:58

We're going to give you this just once Do the intro now, but keep it all going.

Everybody is really interested to here.

Yeah, sea.

Creature.

Yeah.

Sea urgent something.

So what's the intro start?

There, I'll give you that.

So I'm Víctor García.

I know.

To my left, Rob Anders.

1:15

To my right, fancy Lance Carlson.

Yep, hi.

That's crazy.

Rob Anders.

Hello.

Not just Rob Anders.

Check.

Certified.

Certified.

Bona fide.

Bona fide.

No, seriously, he's got a certificate.

Yep, I do unmedicated as well.

Completely 100% unmedicated.

So so spot Fire episode 4.

1:32

This one is on an 11 year old.

Well, the focus is on the 11 year old daughter.

Her name is Terry Joe Dupero and never.

Kind of like a rap Terry Joe Dupero.

1:48

Dupero Yep.

And again, you know, kind of like all the ones is.

She the bad person.

No.

She's a good person in the story.

She's she's a good person.

I was just trying to think of how her name would be on the back of her little prison orange jumpsuit they don't have.

2:03

Names on the back of their prison jumpsuit.

They don't.

No, they just have.

Numbers.

Oh, maybe it was from the movie I saw Dirt kids, the Disney one with Doug Holes.

You watched holes, not dirt.

You watched a football game one time.

And you know, I hate watching football.

Started watching reruns literally over and over.

All right, we did.

It's a whole.

2:18

Nother.

All right, all right, you did.

Sorry all you radical badass NFL sports fans.

All right, let's move on, Terry, Joe Dupero, Dupero.

So cool story, I mean interesting and a ton of just circumstance, you know, things that you go, God, that was bad timing, you know, or or like.

2:41

If this would have, if just this would have happened like none of those would have.

Happened exactly man, and literally I read this and it reminds me of the butterfly.

Effect kind of thing.

No, not quite that, but it, it reminds me of like that Alanis Morissette song where like, you wait to take the flight.

2:59

Yeah.

I've never listened to her, but it's.

It's yeah, yeah.

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't know anything.

That is a bona fide lie, buddy, Bona Fide lie.

All right, so her parents, Arthur was her dad, Dupero, 40 years old at the time of everything.

3:16

So man, think about that 40.

I'm. 47 going to be 48.

Yeah, Rob, you're 62.

Yeah, it feels like it actually.

A little bit less than that, but a little more than what you are.

You don't look older than 50.

Thank.

You.

Yeah.

You know what?

Yeah.

I'm right behind.

3:33

Thanks, Lance.

How old are you, Lance?

I'm 414140. 1.

So I can't baby, he's 40 years old and we'll, we'll get into some of his background, but 40 years old, he's a World War 2 vet.

OK.

You know it it.

Just quite 80s.

3:49

No, no, no, no, no.

This is in the 50s.

Oh, God.

OK.

Way back.

So.

So Arthur's 40.

He's the father.

The wife is named Jean Dupero.

She was 38.

These parents started saving money for a sailing trip sometime in 1959.

4:08

They saved for years to take this trip.

And the the father, Arthur, had planned all this.

It was a path that he had travelled in World War 2, so he knew the waters in the area and thought it was the most beautiful thing ever.

So he planned this trip for his family.

4:27

Yeah, let me go relive the years of war.

How?

Much if my family it's a great trip is like that in the 50s.

I think it actually it. 2 Dimes.

I think we talk about that actually, I think that's comes up.

Of a yard of licorice.

The price went down after the Titanic sank.

4:43

I'll take two lumps of chocolate, please.

If you if you think about this, though, he literally 40 and 38, they're fairly young parents in the grand scheme of things.

They save their asses off to take this trip and we'll get into what how the trip pans out I.

5:01

Have a feeling it's not going to end well.

That is true.

Someone might die.

They might die.

So they had three kids, Brian, 14, Terry, Joe, who was 11, and Renee, who was seven.

And this trip was from the Florida Keys to the Bahamas.

5:19

OK, done it, Bennett, Done it.

So like I told you, the trip had real personal meaning to Arthur the father, because this was the path that he sailed during his service in World War 2 I.

Don't remember a lot of the huge error to see battles over the seas in between.

5:38

You don't?

No, I don't.

Yeah.

I don't know that that he had any actual time in, you know, the deep combat or he served stateside.

I mean, obviously he served stateside, so.

He was the cook.

He.

Was the maybe so?

5:54

So Arthur was also a successful optometrist in Green Bay, WI.

That's where he came.

From I see you.

Beat me to it.

So he started.

I didn't see that coming.

Oh dear.

I really do.

You should have better foresight.

That's right.

Good Lord.

You guys, you guys so get this 1959 they started saving.

6:15

They finally had saved up enough money by 1961 and this is a week long trip so classic 1950s middle America family.

OK, they got to save 2 years to take this trip and which again just blows me.

6:32

Away you go man.

What are the chances of all?

This, yeah, because now we have to save like four or five years.

That's when like darn was a cuss word.

That's, you know what I mean?

Totally.

Ward, you were a little hard on the Beaver.

Last night, sexual and.

Violent.

Yeah, well.

So.

Leave it to Beaver.

Yeah, that's a joke.

6:48

So this wasn't funny, they say for the trip, right?

The family arrived in Fort Lauderdale in early November and begin working on chartering a yacht for the week long adventure.

They didn't pre plan this, they just went down their rogue like.

There's going to be a boat, we know it.

Well, yeah.

7:04

And remember, you know, this is not like cell phones and Internet, you know it, it was different times.

Ironic.

Go down to Florida Keys on a boat here.

Yeah, I'm going to save for two years.

7:20

I still don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what you're.

Referencing about, I saved $67.

So they end up settling on a 60 foot catch that.

So that was my question.

Do either of you 2 yahoos know what a catch?

7:37

No, we need to bring Luke back, I think.

I think it's between a dinghy and a yak.

So a catch is a 2 masted 4 and aft rigged sailboat with a mizzen mast.

No clue.

Step forward of the rudder and smaller than the four mast.

7:54

So I hope you all love the great definition.

It's a boat.

The bottom line is it's a small, fairly small sailboat.

OK, let's just.

Let's just start there.

It's a.

It's a small sailboat.

So, so that that literally brings me to how a ladder Truckee guy wants to explain how awesome it is to go up and do vertical ventilation.

8:16

And I've explained to them multiple times that they're taking a fucking chainsaw and cutting through half his quiet wood.

It's not really a big deal, guys, Just be safe, OK?

That's all I have.

Just be safe.

But you guys go.

So it is cool, by the way, It is so cool.

It is.

So they they get the boat.

8:33

The boat is named the Bluebell.

They paid $515.00 to charter that boat for the week.

OK.

So what would you guess that is in today's dollars?

I'm going to figure it out right now 5. 150.

No, no, no, no, don't guess I'll because I'm going to tell you I already got the number 5. 100 so it's a rhetorical question.

8:52

I'm asking you.

I'm OK, I know I want to have.

I want to do.

It's not a.

Question.

Look at your phone.

I'm not looking at my phone, I'm cheating.

It's going to be ChatGPT.

Lance, this is getting hard with Rob guess. $515 in 1950.

Yeah.

Inflation rate is 7.35 then you multiply it with 37.

9:09

I think it's with space-time inflation.

All right, I'm going to take. $14 million.

No 13 million fucking close 28137.

Dollars no $5300 in today's my half off so so.

But you're closer than 16 trillion is what my guess was was a lot.

9:26

You know today's inflation.

Oh absolutely, that's what I was guessing.

Somewhere in the trillion range, so.

Anyways, you're saying the fireman If you work a few overtimes you should be able to buy one of the boats today?

Yes, 100% give.

Me A.

Catch.

So $5300 in today's money.

For one week rental.

9:41

One week rental.

That's a nice boat.

So he ended up hiring what was a highly recommended yachtsman from that area.

His name was Julian Harvey, and he was 44.

They agreed.

Included in that price.

No.

So they agreed on $100 per day, which?

10:01

Yeah, that's another $5000.

You're talking you, no?

Because five days or for a week, it's more than that.

Lance, we need to stop.

Just can we?

Am I yelling we can edit it now or not?

500.

Dollars slow down.

I remember the last podcast I said to take full breath.

Wait, did you?

Say 513.

10:16

No, no, no, no.

You've got that.

Lance.

Look, it's OK.

No, no, we're good.

I promise we're good, he said. 513 dollars.

Right for the boat.

Which was 7.

No, hold on a week.

That was for the week right?

So, OK, so I didn't know if it was a business week or or a conventional week.

10:34

Now swimming back, no, no, no, no, no, no, no swimming back.

I know.

So it would be more than it.

So the total cost of the trip would be around $12,000 right?

Ish.

Well right now we're only at like 5800 dollars.

Well, I know, but that but though for the one week rental.

But the Bankers Week and then the Bankers hours.

10:50

All right, all.

Right.

Hold on.

OK, I know what you're doing.

And I don't like it.

All right, I'm cutting us off on this because I think we chewed that one up.

So $100 a day.

And that included, I know I'm not going to get this out of my mouth before you guys start.

11:08

It included Harvey's wife, Mary Dean Harvey, 34, who was working as the cook.

So as soon as I said I thought how can I phrase this other than it included his wife?

Still completely sexist because.

So he negotiated meals, right?

11:26

The captain.

Whatever.

The Charterer.

Yes.

He said I want, I want, I want to be fed.

Yeah, so you figure $100 a day that includes your guide, your. $500, obviously.

Pilot, obviously.

And either five or seven your dinner near the thousands but.

11:44

No, in today's dollars.

Oh, that's what we're doing, Yes.

Oh, God, I got you.

I'm so I was wrong.

I apologize.

So you guys talked about his wife?

She was.

I never talked.

About her She was a cook.

12:00

Oh, I know.

Oh, you said it though.

I didn't.

Yeah, OK.

So that was his time traveler.

That was his sixth wife, 6th wife.

OK, the problem's you, dude.

Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, I found the problem.

And you make bad decisions.

12:16

Yes and this is 6 wives in the 50s when divorce wasn't like it is today dude.

He was making it cool.

Yes, he was most certainly a trailblazer.

Yeah, he's like, hey, don't get divorced.

It's bad juju.

He's like, hold my beer, man, I'll get.

Yep.

12:31

Five.

It's on now.

Yeah.

So.

So Arthur, he again back to like the man who would think this guy that he hired to sail them was actually an acquaintance of his.

12:47

I wouldn't say they were good friends, but they were most certainly acquaintances.

And I so I don't know exactly how, but but they knew each other.

They both had served in World War 2.

So Harvey was a prior Marine, and he also was a pilot in the Korean War.

13:06

OK.

So, you know, as Arthur's looking at this, it's the safety of his family, all these things he's thinking, OK, well, I couldn't be in better hands, right?

Another World War 2 vet Marine.

He flew planes like this guy's good pilot A.

Craft.

13:23

No a catch.

A catch.

That's right.

You're embarrassing me, Rob.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

It's a catch.

You had me a wood mast.

So on November 8th, 1961, at approximately midday, Arthur Dupero, his family, Harvey and his wife boarded the Bluebell.

13:41

Here we go. 1961 Boys, November 8th.

Let's go.

So the trip went as planned.

For most of the trip, Caesar calm.

The first four days were spent stopping at ports like Bimini.

I don't know.

Oh, I've been there.

I've been to Bimini.

13:57

Really.

I swear that's the trip we took with Chucker.

We sailed the cross.

Yeah, we went from Miami across over to the Bahamas and went to Bimini.

Fun fact, that actually tie, I'm really excited to actually say this because it ties in.

I'm like really super excited that I know this it's just useless trivia, but it ties into what we do.

14:15

So part of the movie Silence of the Lamb at the end when he was on this, the phone when she, he called her and talked about, hey, Clarice, the fava beans and bottle of candy.

That that part.

Yeah, that was at Bimini.

That was on Bimini and no shit right to the pay phone that he was on in that movie.

14:33

So did you dive there?

Yeah, we dove all over there.

Was was it as beautiful?

As they, that's where I put on a bathing suit that was yellow, that had silver circles and evidently the sharks that were attracted to it.

So I was, every time I dive, I had these fucking sharks swimming around me and they have a bunch of pictures and everything inside there's a one.

14:52

I had a big nurse shark swim right up in between my legs and I kind of like just had this scared look on my face and I got a good great picture of it.

It wasn't like Alaska.

I actually, I didn't like try to get out of the water.

So we got Alaska's Another story.

We got to get into the Alaska story.

We do at some.

Point that yeah, for everybody that knows me or anything about me, the truth will come out and I'm going to you know what?

15:11

Fuck this.

We're bringing Stainer on this fucking podcast and we we are bringing Stainer on this podcast and we're going to have just a side side note with Alaska.

It's just kind of a true Crime Story.

It could have been because evidently I held somebody at gunpoint and was going to like kill him unless they got me to the road.

15:28

I would.

I would pay money to listen to you and Steve talk about that.

I wanted the fuck out of Alaska, I'll say that.

Haven't gone back so.

I still think it's great that you clapped after.

Here's a little story about Bimini.

Are we just really going to gloss over that?

Yeah, you clapped after?

I've been waiting patiently to go OK.

15:46

Are we just not going to talk about the clapping?

It's all good.

So to myself, Rob is Bimini as beautiful as they're painting it.

I don't know.

I just remember it.

I was, yeah.

It's just like a little tropical island.

It's pretty cool.

Can you?

Take any dinghies.

No dinghies.

16:01

We climbed coconut trees and collected coconuts.

Oh dear.

Yeah.

And then?

We went around it just recently got hit by a hurricane when we were there, so it's pretty cool to go see bunch of abandoned buildings and stuff like.

That it is on the westernmost tip of the Bahamas, so.

Beautiful, beautiful white sand.

It's gorgeous.

Yeah, yeah.

16:17

The you dive the supposedly the road to Atlantis is there.

Yeah, I've been there.

Have you?

Nope.

Why not?

Did you have as much fun as I did?

Nope.

Nope.

Did you hear of Sandy Point when you were there?

No, Sandy, No.

Sandy Point.

So that's another place that they'd stopped by.

16:33

Just an example of one of the places they had stopped by that was supposed to be very beautiful.

Where's a bar there that has panties and bras?

Perfect.

Yeah, it's like any bar in Mexico, dude.

Pretty.

Much.

Yeah, Yeah.

So they would get off right at these ports and bought trinkets, sightseeing normal stuff.

16:52

And things are going.

Just as he had thought and planned.

November 12th was the last port before they returned to Florida.

This is where the trip went sideways so.

Didn't pay their bill.

Things are going amazing well.

17:07

They're only amazing, but like people's true personalities are going to start coming out.

They've been together.

The little niceness wears off.

Yeah, 5 business days is a long time to be.

Well, on a boat, you just kind of yeah.

Really only one person's true identity comes to, but you you guys will see that and it is unfortunate.

17:25

Like I said, they everything's going great.

Just what he imagined and and they imagined as parents for their kids.

And then here we go.

She.

Didn't make their meals.

She was like, I'm not making one more fucking sandwich for you guys.

So.

So dinner was probably.

17:42

Some sexual tension between the adults.

No, yeah, that was.

Started No Captain wanted some.

OK, yeah.

I mean, yeah.

You guys are amazing investigators.

All you wanted a little Mary Ann 'cause you were sick of ginger.

Yeah, well, yeah.

Or Gilligan.

I mean.

Wait, what?

What professor?

Hold on.

17:58

All right, so dinner served on the night of the 12th.

From this point on, the story is told from the perspective of Cherry Terry, Joe Duperol, because unfortunately, she was the only survivor to talk about.

It.

Oh damn.

All of them are dead.

Indeed.

18:15

Wait, why?

Why?

Why are we talking about the 11 year old thing?

This She's the survivor.

Twist.

Terry, Joe.

I kind of really wasn't into the story until right this morning.

Well, here we go.

Like I said bro, get good.

Shut up.

I want to hear that.

Hold on, hold on.

I got a little buzzkill going on.

Let me get back where I was.

18:31

All right, so after dinner around 9:30 PM, they went downstairs to her cabin to hunker down for the night.

According to Terry Jo, the rest of her family stayed above.

So Terry Jo, they, she eats dinner.

It's getting a little late.

18:46

She's tired.

She goes to bed in her cabin.

Rest of the family stays up right.

We're on the same place.

And this is at the end of the vacation, the end of the.

Vacation everything's.

Great, peaceful, happy as could be.

Yep.

So hold on, I wasn't paying attention.

19:02

So the 12 year olds below in the cab, 11 year old is below in the cabin, right in her, in her quarters, Yes, and all the adults.

So there's a total of three adults and one kid.

No, there's three kids.

There's three kids, Yeah, three kids and four adults.

19:22

You're on the same podcast as us, right?

That's news to me.

OK, you most certainly weren't paying attention.

Now I was just hyper focus on the the captain, the two chicks or no, I'm sorry, the dude, the captain and the wife who's.

Supposed to be two couples.

There's four adults and three kids.

There's seven people on the boat.

19:39

There we go.

Bingo.

Bango that is.

That's quality math right there.

Boom.

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That's not even close.

All right, move on.

Terry wasn't exactly sure what time, but sometime at night she was awakened by her brother screaming and calling for his father.

20:02

Terry Jo went to check on her brother and what she found would change her life forever.

Her sight was the bodies of her mother and brother.

On the floor in the main cabin.

So this is the first thing she sees as she gets up.

20:19

The next thing she remembered is seeing Harvey ship captain.

He was carrying a bucket and he, he sounds like he struck her, which I don't think he, you know, hauled off and punched her in the grill, but he shoved.

Terry, he hit the 11.

20:35

He did, he did he he struck her and shoved her aside and just said hey, get your ass back to your cabin.

So she's 11, she's scared shitless.

So she goes back to her cabin and she's trying to kind.

20:50

Of seen her dead mom and brother.

Correct.

And she's trying to she's.

Terrified.

She's trying to piece this together and figure out what the heck is going on.

She's 11.

She's.

In the middle of the fucking ocean. 100% Yep.

So.

Not a good family trap.

No.

21:06

Did not go well.

So she remembers oil and water rushing into her cabin and then she saw Harvey again.

This time he was carrying a rifle.

They made eye contact, but for whatever reason Harvey did not shoot her.

He returned back to the upper deck and started banging on something she didn't know.

21:24

She just started hearing some loud clanking.

So Terry Joe finally musters up the strength to go back up deck.

She finds Harvey working on readying the dinghy.

We're doing what?

Readying the dinghy.

It doesn't mean what you think.

Oh, fluffing it up.

But exactly you, That's where you're headed.

21:42

Yeah, readying the dinghy.

You're getting it ready to to.

She's put in the water.

Yes, she's writing the.

Course dip your dinghy.

Yeah, you got to dip it.

Of course, don't let your dilly Dal dangle in the dirt.

I've and don't let your.

I've always said that dangle in the Honestly, yeah.

So, so they get ready.

21:58

She's he's messing with the dinghy, right?

She comes up.

You play with it too long, you're blind.

That's right, everyone know that damn boy so.

So he actually says hey, help me with this rope.

OK, so yeah, so so she held a rope for him, and the rope slips out of her hands and he starts kind of sailing off, which what you now know is that probably saved her life because he couldn't get back now to the ship, which I'm certain his plans were to kill her too.

22:31

Why would he leave then?

Because the rope slipped and he's off into sea now.

He doesn't have the means to, you know, I guess arm pedal back, you know?

4 Four adults, three kids, 11 year old goes down to sleep the end of the trip gets up, hears brother screaming, comes out, brother and mom are dead.

22:52

Good.

Captain's like go back in there.

She goes back in there rifle the the the scared comes back out.

She he's off the boat already and she loses grip and now he's sailing off and she's on this boat alone, correct?

Captain's like the worst murderer ever, dude, you know what I mean?

23:07

Like he's like basically hinged all like his.

What is this girl thinking?

Well, so we'll, we'll, we'll most certainly get into that.

So Harvey had to dive overboard when the rope slipped and get the dinghy before it floated away.

23:23

Naturally.

He left Terry Joe probably assuming she would go down with the ship, so the oil he had planned on the ship Catching Fire.

Oh, OK, got it.

So that's where all of that came from.

So they're in the middle of the ocean.

23:40

He just has killed everyone but her.

Even his wife.

Even his wife.

The fuck's wrong with this bro?

He has killed everyone but her.

How did he kill him?

Did he shoot him all?

No witnesses player.

So, so actually there there to there is only speculation for some of it that's correct because a lot of the bodies weren't found.

23:59

Yeah.

So it's.

Pretty big ocean.

Isn't it indeed ironic?

I love it.

I love it the whole episode.

Yeah.

How you doing a reference to Alanis Morissa?

I no, yeah, no, I don't know.

24:15

I don't even know what you're talking about.

I'm trying to reference it back to how that even became a.

Thing it's it's like like raining on your on your wedding day.

I think so.

I think it is.

You're fucking tripping me out because I'm catching it, but I'm just not unsure where it's being thrown from.

No, that's.

It no, we'll just.

24:31

Move on.

We'll move on.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's just pretend like you got it and we'll move on.

Wah, wah, wah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

So a short time later, Harvey sails off.

The boat starts sinking. 11 years old.

I'm super impressed with this.

Terry Jo has the wherewithal.

24:46

Wherewithal to grab a float that was hanging on one of the walls and use it to try and make it to the life raft.

She made it to the life raft and stayed on it for the rest of the ordeal.

She would float at sea for four days, 84 hours, 11 years old.

25:05

What did she eat?

Is there food because Mom's not there to make?

It Nope.

No food.

No.

Food laying down.

No.

Food so but there's like rotting people like on the on the boat, right?

I mean, yeah, they're they're dude.

Random side note trivia fact just relating to our story.

25:23

It was just a random fact that happened to cross my ADD mine kind of the.

Human head weighs 8 lbs.

I know that.

Show me the money.

Yeah, no reference to one that's more sad, but what do you think?

The longest time someone survived at sea alone?

How long?

25:38

Shit, I got no idea.

How would you have that filed away up there?

Because it's just one of those.

Random things he was waiting for today.

To waste our time.

You've been saving it OK.

And I'm not going to give you the exact number, so don't quote me on it, but it's, it's about a year and a half.

Yes, over over 400 days.

25:56

There's two Hispanic males fishing off the coast of Mexico somewhere and they got lost.

Well, one guy supposedly died.

They think the other guy was using the other guy's bait to catch fish and things like that.

But he he survived and lived.

What do you drink?

The he would just like rain water.

26:12

It's always like the swells in there.

So the fresh water is going to come in somehow.

He did it, I mean, and you look it up.

Wait, was he married?

Was he wearing?

Yeah, I just thought it related somehow.

All right, well, that's crazy.

I wouldn't have guessed that.

Yeah.

So 11 days pretty damn good for 11 or I'm sorry, 4 four days, 84 hours for an 11 year old not bad.

26:34

And all of these things happened.

She she knows her family's dead.

She still has the mind to think I'm going to.

I need to go grab this this raft so I can get out of here, which is you would think, you know, she would be so.

26:51

Where's the captain at?

At this point?

I didn't hear.

I don't remember.

He'd sailed off well.

He's gone, He's gone.

He killed his wife.

Remember, yeah, he's gone.

So she has a wherewithal to grab this thing and and get moving, which is nuts.

You think she would be completely out of her mind with grief and which I'm sure she was, but.

27:08

Was the was the oil was he trying to like set on?

Fire he was.

OK.

So is that what like, like why wouldn't you just stay on the boat then if there's no fire, fire?

Well, it was sinking.

Oh, it was sinking.

OK, I missed that part.

Yeah.

So did I miss that part?

27:23

You missed that one.

Oh man.

So let's talk.

Let's talk about the rescue dude.

Good thing I wasn't on that boat.

I had died. 100% sure. 100% without a doubt.

Swimming.

Swimming with the fishes.

Yeah, yeah, 'cause that's where fishes live.

Sharks.

Sharks.

27:40

Big sharks, so the rescue 11 year old on the ocean 84 hours.

Four days.

How'd she get rescued?

She was spotted by the second officer of a Greek freighter called Captain Theo and rescued shortly thereafter.

27:58

As you can imagine, she was in bad shape and barely conscious.

What are you thinking about?

So this gets back to what I told you guys.

They take this trip, it just happens they charter it with a nut job that seemed to be the perfect guy to do we.

28:13

Don't have any What's the back story?

What's why this Yeah, we.

Should know.

We should know about.

We'll get to that.

Oh, OK.

Yeah, this.

Oh, I.

Thought you.

Were no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We're still going.

OK, we'll.

We'll get to that, but I thought the.

Fire was out.

It's the fire is not out, so the chances right the like you said, oh, it's a big ocean.

28:30

Somehow this freighter is going by and not just going by her and this is a massive freighter.

I don't know if you guys have seen pictures.

It's it's humongous and bigger.

Than their their what do you call it?

Coach Catch.

Catch.

It's far bigger than a catch, Yeah.

28:47

Dude, it's like a.

Football field.

Yeah, it's a floating man member Water World The movie Water World I.

Do it's monstrous, Kevin.

Costner.

And, and so these people you guys know, if you've been on a cruise, you look down in the water, things just look like grains of sand.

You know, it's small and you most certainly can't see off in the distance too well.

29:05

So they actually not just pass her, but they see her from the observation deck and rescuer, which is absolutely nuts in itself.

Good for her.

So Harvey. 10,000 spoons when?

All you need is a knife.

29:21

Yeah, how do you know what I was going?

To say it just made sense, I don't know.

So Harvey, on the other hand, was rescued after only one day at sea by a freighter also called the Gulf Lion.

They took him to a Coast Guard checkpoint.

So, according to Harvey, a sudden squaw.

29:40

Back to my definitions.

What's a squaw?

A.

Squaw's a wave.

Yeah, no, not a wave, a storm.

It's a violent gust of wind.

There you go.

So close.

I would I would give that one to Rob.

So he says that that squaw comes through and brings down the bluebell's mass, creating a hole in the bluebell's hole.

30:00

Oh dear.

So he also says that he says that when the mast fell, that it ruptured an auxiliary gas tank, causing a fire.

So he absolutely planned on this thing burning.

30:17

Yeah.

And he's pitching the story, you know, building it all as he planned it.

So he told the Coast Guard that because of the circumstances, he was unable to rescue anyone on the ship.

So he said that like, hey, the mass fell.

There's all kinds of wires.

I tried to cut some stuff, and then a fire broke out, and I couldn't save anybody.

30:36

So that's kind of his story for the most part.

So midway through Harvey's interrogation, this is the best part.

He was informed that Terry Joe had been rescued and was showing a lot of improvement.

That's an oh shit moment.

Yeah, because you're supposed to be murdered.

30:53

You're supposed to be, that's how.

Murders go.

Their stories are not going to match.

Yeah.

So you said, you said that's a no shit moment.

He actually, he was quoted as saying you getting up and yelling, Oh my God.

And then no.

What he really said was.

Fuck.

Well, shortly after that he said Oh my God.

31:09

And then he said isn't that wonderful after a couple seconds.

So he was most certainly freaked out.

It got him.

Well, in 1950s hockey was said, Gosh darn it, right?

That's how you know he's real cross.

He's he's pissed.

Yeah, yeah, he's very upset.

31:27

Yeah, 100%.

So that happens, they tell him.

He cuts the interview short and says, hey, I'm too tired to continue.

I need to get a little time to recuperate.

Giant's tough.

Yep.

So he bolts out of there.

Go back on the raft and sail back out.

31:43

Yep, he well, even better, he checks into the Sandman Hotel, which is just down the road.

That's the name of the 1950s sixties.

Hotel Sandman, Yeah.

Absolutely, I get the Sandman.

So he pins A2 page note.

32:00

And what's that two page note?

He slashes his thighs where he believes there to be arteries, ankles and jugular with a razor.

Oh, he's taking himself out.

He's taking himself out you.

Coward motherfucker.

32:15

Dude.

He.

Wrote a two page essay right before he was.

Going to manifesto?

Not even he I wouldn't.

Do any homework man, I'm like, I'm out.

He wrote, he wrote a two page deal to his friend that really didn't say shit, didn't apologize for anything, didn't talk about the murders and nothing.

32:33

Yeah.

And at the end he said, hey, will you take care of my 14 year old son?

No, no.

Explanation.

Yeah, exactly.

No, I won't.

So he cuts himself everywhere.

Bodies found by a maid approximately 2 hours later.

So he's successful, he does.

32:48

It he does himself.

Done.

And has no there's so there's no true from the horse's mouth explanation of why he did this.

No.

Well, not even in his little two page.

Letter No, but you start piercing it together.

Aren't going to make themselves what meals are not going to make themselves.

That's what started this whole thing.

33:05

He's hungry.

It's true when you want crab.

Cakes, he's just angry.

Yeah, so, so nothing, yeah, like I said, didn't didn't get into any of that stuff, but police start doing their investigation and they start figuring shit out.

OK, good.

And it gets pretty clear.

So of course, like I said, he left no explanation.

33:24

No, no apologies.

The letter was left addressed to his buddy that he had served within the Marine Corps.

And it just said at the very end, the last sentence, I got too tired and nervous.

I couldn't stand it any longer.

And that's when he checked out.

33:40

Checked out and cut himself up, No.

Shit, that's a brutal way to do it.

Feels like it could be like an actual like decent movie.

I'm not kidding you, I probably is.

I didn't look, but I've heard of it.

It wouldn't shock me if it already.

Lost.

It's incredible.

So let's talk about the motive.

OK, that's the big part that I've been waiting for.

33:56

Yeah, I was the 11 year old.

Yeah.

Percent.

I know who did it.

I've had this figured out from the beginning.

I'm trying to figure out in my head real quick the math.

But she'd still be alive.

I think she is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She is.

She was born in, let me say, in 19. 39 I need to try to get people like that on the show.

34:14

Was 49.

She's born in 49.

No, because you said 1950.

She's 11 and the trip was in 59. 59 OK.

Yeah, so 4048 roughly so.

That's how old would she be today?

Should be in her 80s.

34:30

I'm pretty sure she's alive. 72.

We need to get people like that on the show.

So, yeah, no doubt.

So Harvey had trouble holding jobs after his service in the Marine Corps.

He had a slew of financial problems, which, as we see in a big chunk of these murders, always factors in.

34:50

And get this, like all the ones, he had arranged a double indemnity insurance policy for his wife two months after their marriage.

What an amateur.

The policy was for $20,000, which rob no phone.

How much is that in today's money?

35:06

You said 500 was 5000.

Correct, and this is for 20,000.

OK.

Take a stab at.

It 847,000.

What's your guess?

40 * 5002 million dollars.

35:23

Way off both you two 209,000 that's it 209,000 but you know.

People fucking that's just.

That's not a bad chunk.

What's the rate?

What's the number where you go?

Yeah, I'll take lives for this.

I mean this is considered.

I added a zero, I meant two 200,000.

35:39

Then you were super close.

Well.

Your math hasn't been great today.

OK, It's no, it's been misunderstood.

OK, because no, hold on.

No, because I thought it was a business week.

Bankers Hours.

Yeah, bankers hours, OK.

35:55

Like when?

Like when I go for a week, Right?

Right.

It's perfect, and that's totally.

Understandable that we're supposed to believe you because if we don't, you're going to get irate.

So we have to understand your sensitive nature and just agree with you right now so we can continue on with the podcast.

I'm going to bring your catch down.

OK.

I'm going to do OK.

All right, so so they start looking back into Harvey's past.

36:16

And I don't know if you have one of those, but if you do, I'm going to burn the shit out.

That's right, why don't you come put your hands on my dinghy?

So they start looking back in depth into his past and they found a whole bunch of sketch of shit.

He, he's a piece of shit.

So.

So he was involved in a car accident in 1949, and that accident took the lives of his second wife and her mother.

36:40

According to Harvey, he lost control of a car, plunged off a bridge and into a Bayou.

Guess what he was He was able to swim to safety, but unable to attempt to rescue for anybody else.

Oh shit.

I bet he was all heartbroken and stuff.

Oh, I'm sure he was good.

36:56

Yeah, we have to know more about Harvey.

He got to.

He's a crafty motherfucker.

He is.

Did he get money from that one?

And that's he did, yeah.

And we'll get in some other ones.

So heart.

Beats working.

Yeah, no doubt so Harvey also had a small sailboat that sunk after running into the wreckage of.

37:14

Schooner.

No, a wreckage of the warship the San Marcos after he repeatedly was told hey turn away, turn away, turn away he hits the wreckage and gets insurance money for that as well.

In 1958, he.

37:29

Reads the fine print.

That's what it is.

Clearly he sunk a power so high.

Yeah.

What were the rates then and what are they now?

Yeah, that's the real traffic, yeah.

Yeah.

So in 58, he sunk a power boat off of the coast of Cuba under what was described as suspicious circumstances.

37:46

Every one of these things ended in large insurance payouts.

Bottom line, he's a pile of dog shit like most of these other murders that we.

So this, this all precedes the actual murders, right?

So he like, yes, he's, he's doubling down, right?

38:03

It starts off with boats and this becomes how he makes money through insurance claims.

That's how he lives.

So he would, you know, you kind of mentioned, well, not the butterfly effect, but like you kind of mentioned like 1A series of circumstances, right?

I wonder if he planned on like, why, if you're going to do that, right, why would you bring another family with you to charter the boat?

38:24

You know what I mean?

Like you didn't have to kill the rest of the family.

I don't.

I don't think he planned to.

I think it somehow circumstantially it ended up that way.

You think he's just like an explosive personality, like he's got like a.

No, he planned on killing his wife.

38:40

Well.

Yeah, I know that.

But like, why?

But why bring another family along with the trip?

Why not just go?

It's more believable.

Maybe, I don't know, it's more believable.

It's hard to look into the mind of some of these jackasses and put logic to it, you know?

What a real dingus.

So let's talk about Terry Joe.

38:56

OK, Terry, Joe.

She she returns to Green Bay, has to live with her grandmother and her three cousins and D Pierre.

Green Bay.

And that's probably not how that's pronounced, but whatever.

39:11

Yeah, it's Green Bay.

Who cares, right?

I can just roll with it, right?

I don't even know what you're talking about.

I know where Green Bay is.

So she doesn't talk publicly about the murders for over 20 years.

OK.

That's, I mean obviously damaged.

Yeah, it turns out that's actually what PTSD.

39:28

Yeah.

What today's?

So in 2010, she finally wrote a memoir titled A Lone Orphaned on the Ocean.

Yep, 49 years after the murders, she did an interview with Matt Lauer.

39:45

The gist of the interview is that she wants to be remembered as a survivor.

She stated if one person heals after a life tragedy after reading my journey, my journey will have been worth it there.

You go kudos to her.

I want to read it.

So, yeah, interesting.

40:02

About I totally support that she made it up.

It's all yeah, totally made-up.

This is kind of the.

Like Rose and the Titanic, honestly.

Like if you think about it.

Yeah, go back.

You know, there was definitely enough room on that door for Yeah, for Jack.

40:19

For Jack.

There was.

I'm just telling you.

There wasn't room.

There wasn't room.

No.

All right, So let's close this one out.

All right.

All right.

Terry.

Terry.

Joe Dupero.

Yep.

Was a winner.

OK, boom sounds.

Good.

All right, let's close it up.

You know, thank you for joining us at 72 House for dinner at The Deuce.

40:36

Lance, get the dishes.

You got it, Bell.

Bye, bye, bye.

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