Stacey Stites and Rodney Reed-Part 2

This week at 72 House, the topic of discussion is the tragic murder of Stacey Stites and the controversial sentencing of Rodney Reed, a Black man convicted in Texas in the 1990s. This two-part episode will take you down winding backroads, where each turn leaves you questioning what's ahead.

Sources:
Girl in the Pines Documentary
Jimmy Fennell: 5 Fast Facts You Need To Know  By: Jessica McBride
Innocence Project - Justice for Rodney Reed
Wikipedia

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Transcript

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Yes.

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0:28

We have got a plane to land today.

All right.

God, we're 40,000 feet up and we're.

Going to land this sucker right now so.

We're climbing.

I got no no, no, strapped on.

I'm ready to jump out, not on my.

Watch.

So.

Rob's got a board.

Yeah.

0:44

Oh yeah.

Welcome to 72 House.

Howdy.

Rob.

Hello, Crazy Rob.

Hello, how are you?

Fancy Lance Carlson?

We're back.

Yeah, for another one.

I made it.

Land this plane, figured out what to happen.

All right, I did a little little research.

Pull up a chair.

0:59

In between episodes so I'm a little more educated.

Grab a plate, it's time for dinner at the Deuce.

Deuce Ding Ding shells on what's?

All right, so let's.

Recap Leftovers.

Let's recap.

Yeah, that's exactly what we're having.

So and I want to hear a recap in your guys's terms.

1:16

So go ahead.

What did you hear?

Big fat white cop guy had a wife took shower with her.

She ended up with some semen in herself and dad in the ditch by And then they're blaming a black dude the.

End.

Is that pretty much?

No, yeah, I suppose.

1:32

Well, so the the boyfriend was on the naughty list for like a long time and then they then he said he didn't do it and everybody else believed him.

So like he was off right.

And then they they found this other dude who is is this are we going in the direction that this is going to be race related?

1:47

You thinking because it's Texas in the area?

I think it's just, well, I mean, I bet you it plays into it.

I mean, think of the location where it occurred and when, when, yeah, way back when and the colour of the guy's skin.

Unfortunately, that would, I think, come to some rational conclusion that race could probably.

2:05

Part of that conclusion includes him being a piece of shit.

Yeah, duh.

Well, anally raping a 12 year old girl doesn't really.

That puts you in the piece of shit category.

Allegedly firmly in the Yeah, right.

Yeah, 100% so.

And why do we keep why do we keep saying allegations?

2:21

Because This is why it's such a hot topic right now, right?

Because it's he was found guilty and now it's being revisited.

Is that why?

Well, he he his, his not revisited.

His execution date came and passed.

OK.

2:37

So and we'll get to that piece.

So he's dead now.

No.

No.

So it.

He survived.

But we'll get to that.

He.

Survived.

I know I was just.

OK, so I'm going to go ahead and say that was an OK summary, but that'll work.

Well, we weren't listening, to be fair.

I see that.

2:54

All right, So let's let's start today talking about the Innocence Project.

OK, So, Rob, what do you know about it?

You you would.

I just heard tidbits that there's a it's a nonprofit organization that will elicit support from pretty prominent attorneys throughout the country.

3:11

And they can.

Pro bono.

Pro bono, Yeah.

Pro bono and they'll go and dig up life sentence cases and death row cases and revisit evidence.

We're utilizing some of the new technologies that exist today and go back and kind of revisit some cases.

3:30

It's kind of like, am I going to be too far if I say the Menendez brothers?

That's kind of a hot topic now, just with the documentary and everything they were they ended up getting.

I honestly don't know, but that's one that we could end end up doing I'm sure.

3:45

Oh man, that thing's been done 100 times.

But it's a great story.

I'd love to do it.

Absolutely.

So innocent project.

Let's let's start with that.

So although Rodney Reed himself has claimed he was innocent since day one, and remember this, he got officially convicted in 1998.

4:05

So since day one, he said he was innocent.

But in 2019, the Innocence Project took on Rodney's case.

And they are who you who you described rob a little bit of their back story.

They were founded in 1992, and it's a national litigation and public policy organization dedicated to exonerating wrongfully convicted individuals through DNA testing and other scientific advancements, and reforming the criminal justice system to prevent future injustice.

4:39

So I assume if you get, if your case gets taken on by the Innocence Project, I'm sure they've done their due diligence.

And yeah, look at I just pulled they're.

Not going to lose.

Well, here's the deal.

It's funny, we unfortunately share a little bit of the same brain, Lance, but I got it all that you know, the Innocence Project considers cases for exoneration if they meet the following criteria.

4:58

The trial is complete and appeal has been filed.

The applicant is serving their sentence.

There's physical evidence that can prove the applicant's innocence.

The crime occurred in the United States, but not in Arizona, California, Illinois, Michigan or Ohio, which is interesting.

5:14

But we'll, we can visit that later.

But that's interesting key point.

There is physical evidence that can prove the applicant's innocence.

And to your point, Lance, I couldn't agree more.

They.

We actually agreed on something on the show, is that, is that what I'm hearing?

So they did their due diligence and they felt and deemed that it was an appropriate case to take on.

5:35

That's interesting.

You know what we should do?

That speaks volumes.

We should add their link in case people want to donate.

As a matter of fact, I think that's a great idea.

Let me pull it up here with the magic of editing.

Do we know it here?

Hold on, let's see standby.

5:50

Are you doing your own research, Rob?

Yeah, let me hear the Jeopardy song all.

Right in the meantime.

Yeah, keep going.

All right, I'll, I'll chime in here when I can.

So Rodney Reed was initially scheduled for execution on January 14th, 2015, which then got rescheduled for March 5th, 2015 A.

6:11

Few months by a few months.

Yeah, but so in, you know, again, he was convicted in 98, right.

So, so 2015 they push it to from January to March, the execution was stayed to allow the state to consider further evidence and then later rescheduled for November 20th, 2019.

6:33

So as you can imagine, we talked about this earlier when someone had mentioned something about that feeling of knowing, oh, there's my date.

You know, he's had that date three or four Times Now.

Yeah.

Wow, kooky feeling dude.

I couldn't imagine it came and went.

6:49

Can you imagine the the dates of the women who got murdered?

They didn't know it, you know what I mean?

So I can't really feel bad.

Yeah, for sure.

There you go.

Fancy.

It's a good way to look now, yeah.

So this is where things start kind of getting wonky because it well, let's say this, it starts getting public, public, public scrutiny.

7:13

So in the weeks leading up to Rodney's execution, celebrities like and Let me get through this before you guys start laughing and making.

Jokes.

I'm prepared.

Kim Kardashian, Rihanna, Beyoncé, Meek Mill, Pusha T, Susan Sarandon, Seth Green, Oprah Winfrey, and that's a few that began publicly pushing for a stay of execution.

7:36

So have you guys seen anything about this?

Honestly.

No, I have not.

Not even a little bit.

OK, 'cause it really is.

I mean, as you see by the names, it's a.

Well, it's it's I, I kind of felt one way.

And the fact that Oprah's involved 180.

7:53

Lance.

So a stay of a Lance?

Scoot over.

I'm going to sit next to you.

I'm on your side of the table.

Yeah.

All right, I'm going to eat your leftovers now.

So at the same time, Rodney Reed was interviewed on the Doctor Phil Show, which also helped to garner public support for him, A bipartisan group of Texas State senators also petitioned Governor Greg Abbott to stay the execution on grounds that new, possibly exculpatory evidence had come to light.

8:24

So this is what we were talking about for the most part in that.

In our last episode, we really did go over the prosecution's case.

And what we're about to find out now is information that wasn't available to them at the time of his conviction.

8:43

OK.

On November 15th, 2019, five days until the execution, the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles unanimously recommended that Texas Governor Greg Abbott grant Rodney Reed a 120 day reprieve.

9:00

And later that day, they stayed Reed's execution indefinitely to review claims of Brady violations, false testimony and actual innocence.

Brady violations are, I know you guys are probably the same as me going, what the fuck is that?

9:16

They're an they're a suppression of evidence by the prosecution.

Those are Brady violations.

So there was an indefinite stay.

So that in itself, you know, has to tell you that there are some very valid facts that are going to come to light for them to make that decision in Texas of all places.

9:36

So here's the thing that's frustrating is that you would think that your character as a person should go into play on because because what they're they're arguing is this one specific case.

Is he guilty of this one specific case?

I wonder if Doctor Phil asked him about the 12 year old, the 19 year old, you know, all the, the anal violations, the rapes and all this other stuff.

10:00

I bet he just talked about this one particular murder and stayed with with this one particular murder without stating well this guy might be a piece of shit well. 100% the one thing I would say is that obviously the way our legal systems set up, you are tried for each of those individually.

10:18

And so I get what you're saying.

His history at the end of the day, whether he committed this murder or not, he's not a good guy, right?

And and I get what your point is, but.

Hold on, hold on.

He was allegedly accused of anally raping a 12 year old girl.

10:36

Yes.

In Texas, Yes.

Nothing about it.

Nothing about it.

Nothing about it.

Yeah, OK.

So.

I know I said a lot without saying anything.

Right.

And I hear.

You know what I mean?

So you're going?

Oh, really?

But at the same time, you go come on, five or six of these, at some point you're like, OK, dude, yeah, something's up here.

10:56

Yeah, I'm not.

I'm not saying that I'm, well, like.

You said Rob, where there's smoke, there's fire, right?

So no, that's what Victor said.

But I, I.

Like I said, that's what.

Victor said for 30 years.

So you guys ready?

Yeah.

All right.

On October 31st, 2021, a Bastrop County judge who was not appointed, who I'm sorry, who was appointed to review the case, recommended that Reed not receive a new trial.

11:22

So I did a, a little bit of reading on that.

And basically what that judge said is, hey, as I review this information, you are still most likely, you're more likely guilty than not guilty is what that judge had to say.

11:39

And so he said, I'm not recommending a new trial.

So on April 25th, 2022, so that happened on in 2021, April 25th, 2022, the Supreme, the Supreme Court of the United States agreed to hear Rodney Reed's case and it was set on the docket as Reed versus Gortz.

12:00

Gortz was the state prosecutor respondent.

So that's how his name got listed on that.

The court did rule in Reed's favor as pertaining to the constitutionality of the state of Texas's statute of limitations on when DNA, when adna test could be performed.

12:22

So Long story short, the Supreme Court, Supreme Court said, hey, the statute of limitations for this, what you use is not legal.

You can't do that.

And So what does that mean for Rodney Reed?

12:37

Because I go, okay, so this is Supreme Court.

Right.

But you're The thing is, is now I'm kind of flipping the other way because you're talking about formalities and procedural litigations and entries into the court system.

That doesn't equate all the way back to whether he actually fucking physically did the crime or not.

12:56

It's a bunch of bullshit.

Defendants, what you that the Jibber Jagger you're talking about in the last episode, you know, which is exactly what a defendant would say is You can't prove shit.

Prove it, you know, and I will find every caveat, loophole, whatever formality or whatever to circumnavigate this obvious, well, allegedly obvious guilty verdict.

13:19

Yeah.

So.

My brain hurts, can we take a break?

Yeah, I think you just had a stroke.

I did say senior.

Or something so.

So again, what does that mean?

Supreme Court sided in his favor.

Not, not a goddamn thing.

It means Dick.

It didn't change anything, correct?

13:35

Right.

So now here's where things get juicy.

Let's start talking about the new and debated information and evidence that's come to light since the trial.

So far, he allegedly had an affair with her that he introduced.

Her to no an unaffair a secret.

13:52

Relationship so secret that she didn't need exactly but they had a family circle of friends and family that supported him in claiming that they were together as a couple and she had his saliva and semen correct on and in her person.

14:09

At the time for her death, correct?

And bite marks.

Yeah, where were you at the at the recap of the last?

I was recapping.

OK, yeah, You know, sometimes the little circle just.

Goes, yeah, he was on his.

He was on a delay, yeah.

Time loop, yeah, yeah, OK.

So he's connected to the mainframe now he's.

14:26

Kind of.

So let's start, let's start with the timeline of events.

So remember, according to the prosecution, Stacey left home at around 3:00 AM to go to work for her 3:30 AM shift.

That was the timeline that everything was based off of in this trial.

14:45

And they were given that time.

But Jimmy.

Jimmy Fennell is the one that gave him the timeline.

Who was her current boyfriend at the OR?

Who was her fiance?

Or fiance.

Yeah, correct.

Which he defaulted to her normal probably pattern of behavior and actions prior to going to work.

Correct.

So the doctor that did the autopsy was a doctor by the name of Bayardo, Dr. Bayardo.

15:06

So according to Doctor Bayardo, he used the timeline given to him by police or Jimmy Fennell to determine the cause of death at 3:30 AM and has publicly stated that hey, the time of death that I gave you was only an estimate based on the information I had available and in no way should have been used as a tool to convict someone or not convict someone's.

15:35

Murder.

They were alive at 9:00, but they got shot in the chest in the heart at 9:30.

Time of Death 9:30 so.

That's.

Kind of what we do, you know time, well I mean by the time we put the monitor.

On I'm not impressed by this time of death.

So he so the doctor said, and this is all from him, you know, again you talk about what's fact.

15:55

This is right out of his mouth.

He says, hey, basically I came to this 3/30 time because we knew in his mind, he says we knew that she had left her house at 3:00 so and her body was found at this time.

So that leaves the time of death somewhere in here.

16:13

No, that's not true, because at some point she's she's got rigor mortis on the pictures, you know what I mean?

So if hold.

That time.

Hold on to I will not wait.

Wait, go back, go back.

You need the first episode.

You said that she was found in PM but she's getting up to go to work at AM.

16:28

No AMAM.

They found her at 3:30 AM.

No, they found her in the morning.

Still I.

Believe I could have sworn at her PM.

Means.

Morning.

You don't even know what AM.

What does AM mean?

It means the opposite of PM Suck it.

So suck it.

16:44

You don't even.

Know.

So let's get back to the story, fellas.

Santiago it's AI know it's a was it Greek?

It's an old wooden ship, that is.

So Doctor Bayardo uses Jimmy Fennell's time of events to create the time of death.

OK, Which is obviously a huge problem because if the time of death is earlier, then the only person who admittedly was with her was Jimmy Fennell.

17:11

So we'll get more into that here in a second.

Since the conviction, a gentleman by the name of Kevin Gannon, who's a retired NYPD homicide detective and some of the best forensic pathologists in the world, have reviewed the evidence.

17:28

One of those pathologists is a gentleman named Doctor Michael Bodden.

You guys, you would know him if you saw him.

He was actually one of the medical examiners in the OJ Simpson case, the Jeffrey Epstein case, He's.

A celebrity.

17:44

He's huge.

He's literally one of the best in the world.

Yeah, I follow him on Instagram.

So I'm sure, no, no, Rob, I don't.

I'm not on Instagram, I'm pretty sure so it was.

I'm not mad, I'm just.

And 14 other highly respected pathologists believe the time of death that Doctor Bayardo concluded is absolutely wrong.

18:08

This guy's 90 years old.

Ish.

Ish.

He was born in 1934.

Well, he was.

What does he know doing this shit for the OJ trial?

And that was like forever ago.

Early onset dementia, please be honest.

So me or you?

No.

Not you, this guy.

Oh man.

Jesus, so off the cracker.

18:25

So Doctor Bodden adamantly states that Rodney Reed is innocent because the time of Stacy's death.

Pushed by they getting him confused with Rodney King, it might what No OK.

So.

He's dead.

Back to the story.

I think he did.

Doctor Bodden adamantly states that Rodney Reed is innocent because of the time of Stacy's death.

18:46

The time of Stacy's death that was pushed by the prosecution is medically impossible and only Jimmy Fennell could have been with her at that time.

Huh.

So according to who?

According to Doctor Baden.

Mr. Badass, The 90 year.

Old, yes.

So he says he based these things on all of the photos, the reports from the coroner, all of those things, the DNA samples that were taken by the.

19:15

Is Jimmy's dad affiliated with any kind of politics or government or council or police chief type thing in that small town?

Jimmy is a.

Police officer.

No, no.

But I just want to know what his dad was doing.

Like his dad might have been, No.

Cooking the books so he so so the doctor bases these things on all of the post mortem stuff that he has available.

19:35

According to Doctor Bodden, Stacy was found on her back, but the pulling of blood in her body was to the front side of her body.

Since she'd been dead a while and then got thrown out.

So she had been dead, according to Doctor Baden, on her face, on her belly, for enough time that the lividity set in on the those.

19:58

Front counts don't say that to me.

We've seen.

Dirty of dead bodies like probably 1000 I get I bet in 30 years and she had no modeling or anything in that.

Like when she was laying in the ditch.

Find that picture when she's laying on the ditch and her belly is like that's one thing that I noticed before you even said it.

20:15

There's no modeling.

It is up around her neck and face.

So it you can see it better in other.

Pigs.

You see?

You see that?

I do there but not.

Yeah, you think so?

That you can't get that lane on your back.

No, that's true, but it's not consistent throughout her entire.

Body.

20:30

Body, you know.

Like she was laying down.

So the doctor means look what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I do.

I do.

You see that where the rulers on her, right?

There.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's she's like.

Looks hooded, like she had a PE.

Yeah, like that.

It's like.

The front of her thigh.

Yeah, go to one of the shows, their belly right there, that one second over from Yeah, click on that one.

20:50

Look at that.

Yeah, well, it's hard to tell with that picture, but here's what we do know for a fact.

OK, Doctor Bodden, who I would assume knows this A.

Lot better than we do.

Right.

He's a doctor.

Oh yeah, we're just a.

Bunch of we're paramedics.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

I want six months to paramedic school.

21:06

I know.

So, so like I said, Doctor Bodden says, hey, clearly she died and spent the bulk of the initial time on her belly because of the, like he said, the signs of lividity and where, where it's at on her.

Hold on, is that the other part of the belt?

21:23

That's the other part of the belt, which we'll get to that too, OK?

Doctor Bodden also said that Stacy, he was able to watch videos of all of the medical examiners moving her, putting her in a body bag, all of those things.

And he said that that she had very little signs of rigor, which is for folks that don't know, stiffness of the body postmortem, which puts the time of death hours earlier than the prosecution stated.

21:51

And what he described on the stand is when they were putting her in the body bag, they were able to take her arms and fold them across her chest.

They were able to move her legs and put her in the position that they wanted in that body bag.

And he says, plain and simple, those things only happen at a certain period of time.

22:13

And so again, if you look at where the lividity is, the lack of rigor, he's coming to timelines in his own head about when this murder happened.

Interesting.

Does Doctor Bodden?

Know that Jimmy said that he didn't do it.

22:29

Clearly.

He he clearly hasn't talked.

With him, OK, Because I just didn't know if that was clear.

Yeah.

So here's another one that's interesting.

Doctor Bodden also notes that Stacy's fingers have impressions white impressions on them amongst the.

22:47

Can I just break in for a hold on real quick?

No, no, no, this is important.

It's important.

Sorry.

This talks about rigor mortis.

So the onset approximately 2 to six hours after death, a full development approximately 12 hours after death, plateau and dissipation 24 to 48 hours after death.

23:03

So if she was limp and everything else, it had either been days, correct or within that you know, within.

Estimated it sometime in the afternoon.

OK, interesting.

Correct.

Doctor Bodden also notes that Stacey's fingers have impressions, and you'll see them on there.

23:19

They're white impressions on the tips of her fingers and you get those if your fingers are pressed against something.

So the blood basically doesn't get to that area.

And so you again, it's, it's an indication to him that she was on her belly because you can see correct.

23:37

Her hands were down and her fingertips were pressed on something, right.

And some of these pictures, it's you.

They're not great to tell, but I did look at the ones that were very clear, and she most certainly did have the white impressions that Doctor Baden talks about.

23:54

Huh.

That is better than me.

I don't see it.

So, and, and again, you know, this is this doctor has no, he has no horse in the race.

No stake in the game.

Right.

He he's just giving you the evidence now I will say this what the defense came and and they only asked him a couple questions basically.

24:15

And one of the things they said is, is this an exact science?

And he said, no, it's not.

So there's exceptions.

Well.

There's well, there's going to be a, there are analytical, statistical data that exists that they could go through and there's going to be obviously outliers, but majority of things.

24:34

So statistically it's.

But he can't say this is a dead balls on science.

I'm more concerned with, I don't know, Jimmy's motive, right, Let's say, I mean, because obviously Doctor Bodden's evidence shows that it would be under Jimmy's watch.

What would?

We'll get to that.

24:50

We'll get to that.

So let's talk about the DNA evidence.

Now, Yeah, that's what I was just thinking.

It's not Jimmy semen or his saliva.

Yeah.

So DNA evidence that's.

Probably more important.

The serologist who collected the semen and saliva samples was a woman by the name of Megan Clements.

25:07

To start, and this is one of the all of these other experts that came in the things that they found wrong to start.

The samples were taken in the field, which is not standard practice because as we we know just in our world, hold on.

It opens the door to contamination.

25:24

Now what were you going to say?

Can we just admit that these professional witnesses that come in and provide this expert testimony are hired by per SE, the plaintiff or the?

Defendants.

25:39

No, they're pro bono.

This is all pro bono work.

This is all pro bono.

This is all through.

This is all being done through the OK.

But still, pride is a thing, you know where you want to try to prove another doctor wrong to to establish your superiority.

I, I really don't think that's if you watch these things and watch the interviews and the that's not a factor here.

26:02

I want them to talk me through Robert Reed's semen being.

We already went over that.

It was the semen fairy who jacked him off and in the middle of the night and then so.

We will.

We'll get to that.

That's so like I said, the last thing I said is the the samples were taken in the field and which can lead to contamination, not standard practice.

26:25

Megan also testified that the intact sperm, meaning head and tail, cannot live in the body beyond 24 hours maximum.

This obviously hurt Rodney Reed because what that insinuates being as his sperm was alive and intact in her, it puts the time of death closer to when they.

26:47

This other dudes saying that?

To when the prosecution wants it to be right.

So, forensic pathologist.

Change my tune.

Forensic pathologist Doctor Gregory Davis testified that sperm indeed lives beyond 24 hours, and in some cases up to a week.

27:06

What?

Yes, kind of.

Cases on a Petri dish.

Or freaking socks would be crawling across the floor.

No.

No.

I said that I would assume my socks would be crawling across the floor.

Yeah, hop it around.

I can't imagine what's in a fire station.

27:21

Oh my.

Gosh, I don't even want to know.

I don't dare take a black light in there.

So so the 24 hours that got stated as facts.

What's all over Lance's chin?

Hey.

Was absolutely false and and that we know it was determined Stacey Stites was anally raped based on semen found around the anus, what Doctor Bayardo documented as trauma around the anus.

27:51

This is important because like we said, Rodney Reed had a history of anal rape.

Doctor Baden examined all of the photos that Doctor Bayardo used as evidence of the anus and states that there is absolutely 0 evidence of anal rape.

28:07

He believes the semen that they found near the anus was very likely was ran down basically from the vagina.

And so he says that the things that Doctor Bayardo noted as trauma are completely normal in people.

28:23

And something that else that you got to know about Doctor Bayardo.

He's.

So now I go to this foundation, this institute, this nonprofit hired this expert to come in and prove their theory right.

So then they can come through and get somebody out and release from death row.

And then that'll further include that they're going to get more funding and everything else.

28:42

There's a little bit of a.

Clue they didn't hire anybody.

The oh, this guy's just volunteering.

They're pro bono.

Right, right.

I can only take the.

What the?

Facts.

I can't.

The conspiracy piece of it I don't.

Know I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, I'm just saying it's an it's an Ave. that my brain went down OK.

29:01

OK, so Doctor Bodden examines the all of the evidence with the anus and says, hey, this, this does not.

There's nothing in here that would indicate that this, this person was anally raped.

The truck that they took in as evidence.

29:16

The red 1.

The red truck, the.

One that they did 0.

It had, well, the state liquid the state.

They gave it back to Jimmy a couple of days before, or bad, they gave it back to him.

Right.

They gave it back to Jimmy and he sold it.

Now that truck should have burned.

They didn't find not one lick of evidence of Rodney Reed in that truck.

29:37

What was the unknown liquid that you talked?

About they didn't test it.

No, they never did.

That could have been Rodney's.

What was with?

Did they did they say anything about the?

Clothes.

Baby batter.

What was with the clothes in the back?

Yeah, that was some of her clothes, basically.

But then they have the RIP piece of belt too correct with the and then the other piece of belt was next to her body correct.

29:58

Which I assume.

Was her belt.

No, it looked.

Very It was her belt.

It was her belt.

It was her belt.

Because her pants were beltless.

That's right.

So not a lick of Rodney Reed evidence in that truck.

Not a hair, not a fingerprint, not a nothing.

The only evidence in that truck was DNA evidence of Jimmy Fennell and Stacey Stites.

30:18

Oh, really?

Interesting.

And according to the prosecution's case, he basically kidnapped her in her truck.

In her truck.

Right.

So he something would have been there.

Correct.

You would you would assume, right?

30:36

One of the biggest mistakes of the investigation that you go, are you fucking kidding me?

They didn't.

First off, we know they didn't do any DNA evidence in the house at all.

The next humongous mistake that they made, the belt used to strangle Stacy was never tested for DNA.

30:54

What?

Never tested.

Are you kidding me?

It's unbelievable.

And so here's the crazy part.

Rodney Reed's legal team has went back and tried to obtain that belt to have it DNA tested.

31:10

No, it's there.

But, but they gave it back and he sold it.

The state refuses to give it back because they documented that there was basically the chain of I.

Don't know what the word.

Is the chain of custody for that belt was broken somewhere along the way and so the state, so the state's not viewing it right as something that can be used.

31:32

Considered procedurally irrelevant, that's the correct term.

So I believe you.

So the belt never tested, never tested and not and the states won't allow it to be tested all.

Right, OK.

Yeah, that makes sense.

31:48

Not.

OK.

Jimmy said he didn't.

Do it.

OK, so quick recap, right?

Jimmy.

The 24 hours semen not true.

It can, it can and does stay alive far longer than that.

The belly not tested the truck.

32:05

No evidence that Rodney Reed was in that truck.

Technicality.

Technicality.

I guess so so my case.

Is falling apart.

God Dang it.

Let's get to the.

Why haven't they used truth serum yet?

Good question.

32:22

Or if they could subpoena your brain, you know, and get all your going.

Out neural link Tesla.

You know what I mean?

Have you seen the latest thing of that Real quick side Rob note these are things keep me up at till 41 everybody strap in neural link Tesla.

If you haven't looked into it, if you're aware of it, awesome.

32:38

If you haven't, they're injecting and implanting this computer interface directly into people's brains where these people that are paralyzed can look and just think and it does what they think.

They're uploading dreams, they're uploading memories.

32:54

They are going to like evolve to the point this is mind blowing.

OK, this is all just presumption and prediction, but there are assuming that they're going to get to the technology and be able to put it in your brain and your brain will be connected to the cloud, meaning that everything that you Google right now, when you think, oh, where am I?

33:16

What restaurant is open today?

You're just going to know it because your brain is going to be connected to the cloud.

That's a terrible idea.

You can tell you it's.

I think it's awesome.

Yeah, you're gonna get, you're gonna, Yeah.

Exactly, dude.

You can't walk down the street and go.

You're gonna get you're arrested.

Do you know why you're arrested?

33:31

You know what you're thinking.

You sick?

Fucked exactly?

Yeah.

That's an entire idea now anyway.

Moving on.

Moving on.

So let's talk about the secret relationship secret between Stacey and Rodney Reed.

OK.

So as you recall, no witnesses were able to be brought forward at the trial.

33:48

More than a few have come to light since.

Oh yeah, because they're getting paid.

Come.

Just take your tinfoil hat off.

Yeah, they.

Take the tinfoil hat off it.

Comes down to money.

So.

Probably not wrong, but I don't.

Know so Alicia Slater was a Co worker of Stacy's at the HEB, the grocery store.

34:09

Alicia has testified that her and Stacy were work friends and they used to have talks at lunch, so they would eat lunch together every day and bullshit about the things going on in their lives.

Alicia says that Stacy told her that she was less than excited about marrying Jimmy Fennell and that she was sleeping with a black guy named Rodney.

34:30

And she said this was a very memorable moment because.

Now the guy that's on death row is black and his name is Rodney, so that could be the same guy.

Could be the same.

You just put that together.

Oh my.

God, yes.

Well, you, you heard him, Johnson.

He's correct the case.

34:46

Correct the case wide open anyways.

Amazing.

Yes.

Amazing.

So amazing, yes.

Couple simpletons over here.

So, so she doesn't have again a horse in this race.

She says, hey, look, the reason it stood out to me and I remember it is because one, she was engaged.

35:07

And so when you say you're sleeping with somebody else, that kind of sticks with you.

And he said she said to be honest, too.

Wouldn't say anything for a certain dollar amount.

Well, when she says I'm cheating on my husband and I'm or or fiance and I'm also cheating on him with a black male in Texas in 1996, it's going to spark memory.

35:30

And so she's has come forward since and she said that she didn't come forward back then because she said I was 18 years old and I just didn't want to be involved with anything.

That had to do with it, OK.

But she said when she saw the the death penalties and all these things, she felt compelled to come forward.

35:53

So the next person, Calvin Horton.

Calvin.

This is Stacy's cousin testified that he saw Rodney and Stacy together, and when the news came out that they were having a relationship, he wasn't surprised in the least bit because he'd seen them together before.

36:10

And he just, he arbitrarily just, oh, I didn't come forward either because I just didn't know what to do.

It's none of my business.

It's it's Stacey's cousin, so I don't know what his.

He was jealous because Rodney was getting something he wasn't.

Maybe I mean.

Kissing cousins.

It's allegedly a real thing.

36:28

Maybe let's get into another guy by the name of Charles Fletcher.

My God, that can't keep track of all these names.

Yeah.

You don't need to know the names.

So he's a former member of the Bastrop Sheriff Office.

And obviously this is prior to Stacy's death.

36:47

He says Jimmy Fennell told him, I think Stacy is fucking a blank, blank, blank.

You can fill in that N word.

And he's also didn't want to disclose all that information way back when.

He, I don't know what he but three people, this is a this is a sheriff's officer.

37:07

What would his, what would his motive be to, to lie?

I don't know.

Not to mention he could, you know, the, the blue code or whatever, you know, he probably wouldn't be so welcome back.

I don't know what his motive would be to lie about that.

So the state argues that none of these witnesses are credible because they waited too long to come forward.

37:29

Agreed the.

Truth So.

Agreed.

I do agree with that.

OK, so there's a piece of it.

Now let's get into some of the other crazier stuff.

So let's talk about Jimmy Fennell.

So about 10 years after Stacy's murder, which was in 2009, Texas Rangers started started an investigation into rape charges against Jimmy Fennell.

37:52

Oh boy, didn't see that coming.

So I'm about to go into this whole it's, it's a moderately long story, but it's important.

So Connie Lear was with her boyfriend at an apartment complex in October of 2007.

They're drinking, getting their party on and wouldn't you know it, couple lovebirds in Texas.

38:12

They get they get into a lover's quarrel, so they're at the apartment scrapping it up a little bit.

The neighbors hear the commotion and call the cops.

Police show up.

One of those officers that showed up is Jimmy Fennell.

The police end up arresting the boyfriend and taking him in.

38:30

Connie and Jimmy now are the last two people on scene.

At this point, Connie asked Jimmy if he can please take her to her boyfriend.

Jimmy has her jump in the passenger seat and off they go.

So they get in a fight, they arrest the boyfriend.

38:45

She feels bad and says, oh, you know, we, we fight like that sometimes.

Can you please take me to him?

Jump in the car, I'll take you over, right?

Connie says hey, I started to realize something was wrong when he pulled into a secluded park.

Oh boy.

Jimmy gets out of the patrol car, tells Connie to get out, takes out his service revolver and sets it down in front of her on the car.

39:09

Oh, good, good cop, bad cop.

He slams her up against the patrol car.

To Frisker.

Pulls down her pants and rapes her.

Oh, what?

That's not frisking.

That's not frisking, she said.

I was so scared I couldn't even fight back.

We won't get into conspiracy theories yet because this.

39:26

Was he arrested?

This is factual.

Yes, he's.

Convicted.

Jimmy drives her back to the apartments, gives her a business card and tells her we're going to do this again tomorrow or else get out.

What's with the business card?

Business card, card.

He wants her to know who to call.

39:43

I guess they're doing it again tomorrow.

What?

I don't know if that's a business.

Man, see you're, you're, I'm not buying that 100%.

Well, it's 100% true.

How do you know?

Because he was convicted and of it and spent time in prison.

But we'll get to that.

39:59

So Connie runs to one of the neighbors.

Well, they didn't do a background check.

How's.

He.

Yeah, how's he a cop?

Right.

Yeah, clearly they should have seen that he's a rapist in the future.

That's illegal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Connie.

40:15

Right.

She's raped.

He takes her back, gives her the card.

She runs the one of the neighbors and calls 911.

The call's scary.

It's obviously there's.

You've listened.

To it.

I have listened to it and you can tell she is scared as fuck and she is not lying.

It's very obvious, she tells the dispatcher.

40:33

Don't send Jimmy Fennell, because he's the one who raped me.

And wouldn't you know it, she's looking out the window and the first motherfucker to pull up is Jimmy Fennell.

She sees him and freaks out on the phone.

Like she absolutely goes nuts.

It's like she saw the devil, which pretty much she did.

40:51

So thankfully a bunch of other cops showed up too, Connie says.

She was then put in a police car and forced to take back the claim that Jimmy raped her.

She looked into the police camera and said I made the whole thing up.

41:08

Wow, they have that recorded.

They do.

That's that's so sad dude.

That makes that makes me upset.

So it even gets worse.

So then the cop says, well, OK, now you're under arrest for public intoxication.

Oh shit.

Yep.

What made her deny it?

41:26

And then arrests her for public intoxication.

Then they wasn't she at home, Then they brought her out in public.

When Connie got to the police station for this public intoxication deal, she called 911 again from the jail.

41:43

This time she got the attention of a different Sheriff's Office and the Texas Rangers.

An investigation was open that day.

The charges for public intoxication that got dropped and she was actually then taken to the hospital and had the rape kit done and all of those things approximately 2 days later.

42:02

Jimmy Fennell is charged with aggravated sexual assault, aggravated kidnapping, improper sexual activity with a person in custody, and official oppression.

Yep, Jesus.

Jimmy pled guilty to 1 count of improper sexual relations and one count of kidnapping.

42:20

He was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Damn.

All right, so he did.

A dime.

He did a dime.

He did a dime.

And so we'll get to some other things about that.

We'll come back to prison and Jimmy.

So it would also come to light once they really started digging in deep to Jimmy Fennell, that he was the source of several internal investigations involving sexual assault and misconduct.

42:45

But they all got pushed under the rug.

Why don't you toss this bottle in the first one, dude?

So lead me down a dirt Rd., yeah?

Drop me off and drop me off.

God damn it.

You fucking just turned me around.

Texas, baby, that's how we do.

Damn, dude.

43:00

All right, now let's talk about Stacy and Jimmy's relationship.

OK.

The prosecution's wants to paint the relationship that they were a loving couple newly in love.

You know, everything's amazing.

The truth of that is actually very different.

43:18

So they were able to get a hold of journals that Stacey's mom actually wrote.

And to say the least, the things that she said in there described a rocky relationship with a lot of fighting.

And the weird thing is though, and I'm sure there's some psychology behind it, but the mom to this day basically doesn't recognize her journal entries that they were in a shitty relationship and says Nope, they were in love and you know.

43:48

Even though it's written.

Down even though she wrote it down, right?

She just pretty much doesn't acknowledge that she wrote that.

It's got to be old now.

Well, this is even some from tape.

You know, some time ago, there's another HEB employee, right?

44:04

And her name's Susan Hugin.

She worked with Stacey as well at that HEB.

And she said that back then she had believed that Stacey was physically abused by Jimmy Fennell.

And she said the reason that she thought that is because she would come in.

44:24

It was clear that she wasn't happy as far as her demeanor at work days you would see bruising on her wrist and a lot of the tell tale signs of of an abusive relationship.

And she said, you know, Stacey never outright came out and told her, but would kind of basically hint around at that hey, this is a shit deal and I don't want to marry this guy.

44:47

Susan also claims that Stacey introduced her to Rodney Reed and described him as a very good friend.

So basically Rodney came to the grocery store, she says.

And Stacey said, hey, this is my friend Rodney.

He's a good friend of mine and so she says I I also saw her with him so but.

45:06

Again, she didn't think to reach out and tell them that way back.

Yeah, during the so a lot of these people and I and I should have put which ones so I could tell you, but a lot of these people actually did go forward and report things and they were just told shoe, we've got a guy and we'll talk about some more of them.

45:25

So there's a so this guy I'm about to tell you about is a County Sheriff deputy.

His name's James Clampett.

James Clampett.

That's right.

Black gold Texas tea.

He testified that during Stacey's funeral service, he heard Jimmy say she got what she deserved.

45:44

And, and this is a former sheriff's deputy that says, hey, I was blown away.

I could not even believe I heard that come out of his mouth.

And he said, but they're really at the end of the day, you know, I, I could tell people about it, but there's nothing actionable about him saying that.

46:03

But he's like, he said it.

She got what she deserved.

So that tells me that the possibility exists that in three in the morning, whatever, that she wasn't being raped and she maybe didn't get raped by anybody.

She had sex with Reed and Jimmy fucking caught him.

46:19

Some fight ensued, whatever, Reed fucking took off or whatever.

I don't know if he would say that or admit it or anything.

But then the fucking guy, they probably got in a fight.

He fucking killed her and fucking strangled her and he's trying to frame this whole.

Thing well.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, except for there was no fight.

But Rodney Reed has nothing.

46:35

He he well and also there was no fight with.

Him.

Where was where was he the night of?

He said he was home sleeping.

We just OK.

So.

By myself.

Yeah, you just asked me.

I'll tell.

You that exactly.

So this other guy that witnessed that's come forward and this is this one's kind of to me, but he's a former Aryan Brotherhood member and prisoner.

46:58

His name's Arthur Snow and real.

Good guy, real stand up dude.

Real stand up guy, this guy Arthur.

Jimmy did time with him and he testifies that Jimmy told him.

You wouldn't believe how easily a man's belt breaks when strangling AN word loving bitch.

47:15

It came from a reputable source maybe.

He was talking about a different.

Knot Reputable reputable source.

Yeah.

And so that's the deal with that one is obviously he's a prison snitch.

And so I don't know.

Right, He's he's just looking for time off.

Snitches get stitches.

47:30

That's.

What I heard and actually he didn't come forward this until he was out of prison so so he didn't get time off a.

Prison if he he called the ball like that against the White Aryan Brotherhood, I don't think he would have ever gotten out of.

Prison.

You're right.

You're probably right.

Right.

Shank.

47:45

So here's another inmate, a guy named Michael Bordelon who met Jimmy in prison.

He testifies that Jimmy told him when talking about Stacy.

I took care of the problem and when Michael asked him what the fuck do you mean by that, he put that Dick head N word is going to do the time.

48:06

And and so this guy right here is just a he was just a customer at the HEB store.

But he says that he testified that he witnessed Jimmy Fennell and Stacy in the parking lot, and Jimmy's screaming at her in the middle of the parking lot saying you lying fucking bitch, you lying fucking cunt.

48:30

So it goes along with my theory.

Well, hold up.

Minus the Rodney, Rodney was never there.

Your theory includes Rodney on on site, right?

You know what I mean, correct?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, sounds like he probably dropped her off at work and they had that conversation on the way.

And then he killed her and raped her to.

48:47

Know like how he got home from.

Well, maybe she wasn't even raped.

Maybe Steam was in there from?

Yesterday.

Well, that's that's the whole.

That's Rodney, reads.

She was saying, hey, we had we.

Actually was never raped.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So that guy, his name's Mr. Scroggins.

He, he asked Jimmy.

He says, hey, can we please not do this here?

49:04

To which Jimmy replied, What are you fucking looking at, little man?

This is none of your business.

Well, compared to this guy, everyone's little.

Yeah, that big old fat, fat dude.

Yeah, that guy's got a head like Collier.

Yeah, he sure it is.

So really what they're what you're getting a look at here and and we got some more, but what you're getting looked at is this guy Fennell is a yeah, he's.

49:28

Not a good.

Deal.

He's a scumbag.

Another name for you, Rob Brent Sappington, whose father are.

You writing these down, Rob I?

Fucking have them all locked in right here, right?

In the old vault.

So his dad lived in an apartment next to Jimmy and Stacy's, and he testified as well that during a visit to his father's apartment, he heard a bunch of commotion.

49:48

He said it sounded like a bunch of tables being turned over, shit being thrown, hollering.

He said his his father reportedly told him, Nah, that's just Jimmy and Stacy and.

Yeah.

Don't worry about that.

Yeah, that's just normal.

And he also said, hey, my father wanted to move and that's the reason why, because they, he couldn't.

50:07

They're always fighting it.

Yeah, loud and shit like that.

He reported this, that guy reported it and was told hey thanks but we already have a suspect.

Yeah, wow.

So.

We don't need any more evidence.

The evidence shelf is already full.

50:22

Yeah.

That's right.

So.

Jimmy said he's in the room.

Jimmy said he didn't do it.

Yeah.

That's all the evidence we need.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Closed.

For the love of peace, he's an office.

Yeah.

I said it three times.

I'm in a.

Simple minded people here.

All right, let's just give him his truck back and be on your way.

Officer of the peace.

50:38

He's an officer of the peace.

Make sure and donate to the cancer.

Society.

That's right, yeah.

So let's get back to another person.

And this is another testifying witness and she was a dispatcher for Giddings, which just the other another town, her name's Cynthia Schmidt.

50:58

She testifies that she heard Jimmy Fennell say of Stacy, at least the bitch got to wear the dress and he's talking about the wedding dress.

They actually buried her in her wedding dress and so, and this is a, this is a 911 dispatcher, you know, and so no reason to.

51:17

Like fabricate her.

Right.

Yeah, right.

And Cynthia reported this to the Texas Rangers but was never contacted.

Cynthia also recalls a domestic violence call regarding Stacy and Jimmy that was actually taken by the dispatcher on the shift prior to hers.

51:33

She said not everyone knew about the call and it was pretty much swept under the rug.

But again, the relationship was not good.

This guy is a piece of shit.

Clear.

Now, I know you're going to tell me we're going to get to that, but is Jimmy Fennell at least brought on charges on any of this?

51:51

Yeah, he spent ten years in prison.

Oh, oh, for this one, Yeah.

No, but what about for his?

His the one that he allegedly murdered.

Well, no.

So.

OK.

Yeah.

All right.

That's why Reed's in prison, no?

I know that, but I mean executed well.

I guess you have got a point there.

52:07

So the court largely rejected every piece of view evidence brought forward by the defense.

They argued that none of the witnesses were reliable because of the time it took him to come forward, the expert opinions and the forensic pathologists that were all disregarded as opinion because forensic pathology as it pertains to time of death is not pinpoint accurate.

52:33

So they basically said, hey, all of these things from multiple multiple different of the best in their field.

These this evidence saying that the scene that you painted could not have happened.

We don't care.

We don't care.

52:49

And so none of this stuff basically meant shit.

And if you watch the videos, I would tell you guys, if you get a chance, watch This Girl in the Pines.

It's obvious that the judges that dealt with this case are fucking annoyed.

They're annoyed with the defense.

53:06

You can tell that they feel like their time's being wasted because and.

They've made-up their.

Mind, they made-up their mind and this is where the ego gets into play that you.

Talked about.

I was right the first time exactly.

You were with what?

Them you're right that you don't know you're.

53:23

Right.

You're right.

Yeah.

So you asked about about for now, well, Rodney Reed still on death row waiting for a new execution.

Execution date.

On June 28th, 2023, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denied Rodney Reed a new trial.

53:41

The appeals court wrote that Rodney Reed had not demonstrated that he is more likely than not innocent.

So, so basically, you know, they're like, you didn't prove enough to us.

53:57

And he still waits on death row.

Jimmy Fennell Freeman walks, walks free and started a new life.

I actually listened to his attorney in this show.

They they have his attorney talking about him and he's trying to pitch you this bullshit line about how, you know, Jimmy found God in prison and he's just a good old country boy trying to make right of his life.

54:22

He says, look, I ain't going to lie to you.

Jimmy was never going to be police detective of the decade, you know?

Yeah.

And I'm like what the?

Hell.

Is going on with these.

People in the same town, same county.

I don't think so, but I didn't get too far into what he's doing now because I really didn't.

54:41

Care.

He's the type of lawyer that gives lawyers a bad name.

Exactly.

Yeah, he's a sleazeball. 100% And so, OK, so, so summing this whole thing up, I went through every emotion that you guys had.

I went through the same ones and I there were times when I was like Rodney Reed did it.

55:01

And then there were points when I was like, Jimmy Fennell did it.

But what I think for me at least, and we'll see what you guys have to say, it ultimately gets down to kind of what you and I talked about Lance, which is they're both not good people, Right, Right.

And really what you're trying to debate is which one of these shitheads actually jumped into murder and jumped back out.

55:26

But they're both rapists in my.

Hold on a second, who did Jimmy rape?

His.

Jimmy raped.

I know he went to prison for no, I know that he raped her, but.

Who else does he have to rape?

No, no, no.

Just follow me on this.

So he raped that girl.

Are they claiming that he raped his girlfriend?

55:44

His fiance.

No, okay, no, that's not.

So basically what the defense is saying is, look, more than likely what happened is they got in a fight because he found out she was sleeping with a black guy, right?

Which there's evidence, people that say, hey, he told me this.

Yeah.

55:59

And other police officers.

But that never originally came out, no.

And.

And that was admissible or erroneous or, you know, whatever.

It's that's what's crazy to me is that a man's life is on the line and these people can't come forward.

For whatever reason, well, a lot of them did.

56:14

Though, well, I I according to.

Who subjectively?

Well, no, according they they went to the cops.

They were Pooh poohed though.

Yeah, like.

And they have that, they have that document.

Well.

I.

Mean, I'm sure they didn't have their phone right there, but I.

Don't have phones in?

There.

So I wonder who, so the witnesses that went to whoever the powers that be that got kind of dismissed.

56:34

I wonder where, you know, where they're at as far as what's their responsibility in this whole case of, you know, like I said, like a man's life is on the line and you go, it's OK.

We already got it.

We already got our man.

Yeah.

You know.

The whole the SO.

None of it adds up.

56:49

Well, so this is the part that I get back to you.

In my mind, I go, you know, there's at least enough doubt where I go.

You can't execute the guy.

Right.

Yeah.

Where's where's?

Where's the doubt?

What do you mean?

57:05

Were you?

Well, it's.

Well, I mean.

Certain it it turns it from indefinite to circumstantial at best.

OK.

Right.

How many allegedly sexual assaults did?

No doubt like.

I said yeah, he's not a good people.

But this specific.

Case that he's being tried for.

Is what I'm debating is who killed her?

57:21

Was it Jimmy or was it Rodney?

And I can't tell you for sure that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, you listen to one side of the story.

It's for sure Rodney.

And then Jimmy comes in.

You hear his past and his history and his motive, right?

And then you go, well damn, it's it's got to be him.

57:38

And you've got forensic pathologist saying, hey, that's not the time of death.

The time of death would have happened when Jimmy was with her based on all of this evidence.

It was only 30 minutes.

No, no, what he's suggesting is that he she got murdered in the apartment which they which they didn't even bother, which they never tested and then she was dumped or placed and said foliage.

58:00

And then found.

Correct.

And then found Yeah.

I know I'm just playing down you're.

Doing a good job.

Thanks.

Hey, you're down here.

You're supposed to be way up there.

You're playing down here?

Yeah.

Let me.

I was getting rid of getting my elevator and.

Climb up.

Yeah, I'm up in the the tower.

I just know I'm I'm I'm, I'm mulling it over my brain before I give you an answer.

58:22

All right.

So.

You're just testing what we know.

I know no.

No, no, no.

You tell me, Jimmy or Rodney.

I think it's Jimmy.

I think he found out I I think she was messing around.

Victor.

Dude.

58:38

That's just my opinion.

The the logical side of me says I think it was Rodney because of his past.

That's what I I think.

It was Rodney, but the other piece of me looks at the scientific evidence and these pathologists that are the best that go, hey, this could not have happened like they're saying it couldn't have.

59:00

It's impossible.

And I and I have belief in that too.

So what I, I think I get back to ultimately, I don't know which one of these dirtbags did it, but I do know this.

There's at least enough that yeah, it could be retried or you can't, you can't execute the guy.

59:20

There's enough doubt at least.

Well, if there's enough doubt to have him not executed, he should be let go out of prison.

You're right, that's the.

Other that that, that's just how it is.

Interesting.

Then if you're going to do that, then you might as well prosecute or bring charges on Jimmy, right, Because someone killed her.

59:38

Yeah.

So absolutely someone's on the hook for it and the only other witness would be Jimmy.

Correct.

And of his time frame that he gave them, I was with her at this time period, which is the time period that these pathologists are saying when she likely died.

59:54

Yeah, and I don't even care that he said that.

He didn't do it.

I think he did do it.

That's my professional.

Opinion.

I would say allegedly he's not.

Well, I can tell you for sure he either did or didn't.

That's 100%.

Backed good point, good point.

1:00:09

That's about where I'm at.

I don't know, I wow, I'm going to have to.

I'm going to.

That's real brain.

Buster, a little deeper into this, can we try to get Rodney on the show?

Yeah.

I don't know if Rodney's going to want to hang out with us.

Yeah, probably not.

And I don't know what I'd want.

To not hang out with you 2 guys.

1:00:25

You guys think you did it?

I'm the only one.

He might hang out with me.

I'll give him a call.

That's true.

And Jimmy's just running around out there and free world, just doing his thing.

And I guarantee you he's every bit as much a dirtbag now as he was then.

Yeah, and if you're listening right now, you're a dirtbag nerd.

1:00:42

So he killed it in the apartment, loaded up his truck, the belt was there, all the stuff like, yeah, what do you do, throw her in the truck?

Allegedly.

Allegedly throw her truck.

Just threw her out of the truck, huh?

Well.

1:00:58

You know, it doesn't help again that the apartment was never tested.

The belt was never tested.

You know, like you, you start going down the line of mistakes that were made in this thing and you go, man.

Oh.

Man.

Yeah, people need to be held accountable, but they're not for sure.

1:01:14

And it's A and unfortunately, it's not illegal to be ignorant.

Well, or.

There you go.

Unqualified the.

Story of Stacey Stites, Rodney to Jimmy Fennell.

Kind of like so where it's at, Where's Rodney at in his appeals and state?

Officially exhausted every Ave. there is.

1:01:33

The only thing that can save them now is a presidential pardon really, which is what people are trying to get done right now.

Story of Rodney Reed, Stacey Stites, Jimmy Fennell.

Crazy.

Crazy story.

Yeah.

Well, and I'm sure we'll talk more about this on future shows because we will most certainly keep thinking about.

1:01:52

It yeah, we'll certainly have a have to have a recap, you know, come come execution day.

Yeah, yeah, maybe.

No kidding.

You should go live.

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1:02:12

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1:02:27

What's next?

What do you, what do you want?

What are we going to do for Chow next shift?

I don't know, murder.

I've got a murder mystery.

With the Midget, the little people.

I'll give you an example of one we got a little taste of one we got coming up.

He is the creator of one of the most popular brand of tires ever.

1:02:48

Oh yeah, Mr. Goodyear, No, the Michelin man.

The Michelin man.

Yeah, I think he he.

Stepped on a few people.

That's right.

Wow.

Yeah.

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All right, so I know what you're talking about.

1:03:04

That's it.

Let's clean her up, get the dishes cool.

All right.

Thanks for joining us at 72 House for dinner at The Deuce.

All right, boys.

Amigos night, night.