Eleanor Williams

Stories from the elusive Eleanor Williams of rape and human trafficking take the boys down a winding English road. Her claims will leave you confused, mentally exhausted and  infuriated.

Sources:

• Wikipedia
• Eleanor Williams Jailed for Eight and a Half Years After Rape and Trafficking Lies, The Guardian; Helen Pidd
• Trial by Media: The Case Against Eleanor Williams
• Eleanor Williams Jailed Over False Rape Claims, BBC News; Simon Armstrong

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0:26

Welcome to 72 House.

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To my right, fancy Lance Carlson, fancy Pansy.

How's it going guys?

Glad to be here.

Get a plate, grab a chair.

It's time for dinner at the Deuce.

0:44

How's on?

So let me start this off by putting out a request.

So anyone that works in a field where you deal with emergency based services and see some of the craziness that comes out of that world, whether you're a nurse, doctor, the firefighter, PD, you name it, send a OR.

1:05

Just a civilian that has a crazy story because my. 100% a lot of people.

Don't know this, but my my brother pulled someone out of a fire because just really.

Yeah.

Just walking past you just and you got burned.

No.

Shit, Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's a good point, Lance.

Civilians, anyone with a story that we could tell on this show and laugh about it, joke about it and put it out there.

1:25

Put in the subject line.

How about cool story?

Just put cool sweet story dude.

Yeah, bro, please do.

If you got any of those stories, send them in to us.

All right, so this one I was pretty excited to do because we've talked about similar things in different episodes that typically get you pretty fired up, Lance, I mean it.

1:44

So already fired up.

I've been excited to do this one with you guys for a while and it's been sitting kind of on the burner for a little bit now.

A couple months I wrote ago I wrote this one so Eleanor Williams, she's lives in England, so we're doing a a overseas 1.

2:06

She's born on November 26th 2000, so this is also Thanksgiving.

She's Yep, she's, you know, of our generation, not from the 50s, which which?

What year was she born?

2:22

She was born in 2000.

Oh, 2000.

She was born the year I started on a job.

Wow, no kidding.

That's bananas.

So there's not actually a lot known about Eleanor's childhood.

What we do know is that her parents divorced early in Eleanor's life and that she didn't have much to do with her dad after that.

2:40

She's suspected to have had some type of childhood trauma, although it's not known exactly what, and she exhibited self harm at an early age.

So yeah, there's like, we know there's always right some mental health issues.

And stuff.

2:56

Abuse, Physical abuse, Mental abuse.

After.

Absolutely.

All of it, yeah.

So Eleanor claims she didn't get along with her mother and didn't care for her stepfather at all.

By all accounts, though, her mother was a good woman and a pillar of the community.

She was some type of a political figure in England, that HOA.

3:14

President.

No, no, HOA president, she was.

She used.

To wear those little white wigs.

You know how the?

They wear the white.

Wings carry a gavel everywhere you go.

But the judge in this case did today, 2022.

They wear white wigs still.

Yeah.

In.

England, yeah, it's the thing.

3:29

It's a real silly.

It's wait, wait, here's the word ready.

The Parliament that.

Was it was nice.

Yeah, there you go.

You sound very educated.

Yeah, I'm not, but.

So, so she was actually what's called a Labour counselor, which I think is like a senator or congressman.

3:46

A Labour.

Labour.

Labour counselor and this is in I don't know if you guys know England well, but it's in a place called Barrow and Furnace, Barrow and Furnace England.

So the gist of this story is I told you guys this has to do with all kinds of crazy stuff, with rape, with suspected trafficking rings, all kinds of crazy stuff.

4:09

The Illuminati?

Is that what we're talking?

About the Illuminati, all of it.

So this is allegation #1 OK.

And you'll see there gets to be quite a number of these.

So the question is always is it true or not?

4:24

So we'll get to this.

Show me the receipts.

Show me the receipts.

That's my Judge Judy.

So in November of 2017, at the age of 16, Eleanor was at a house party thrown by her classmate and friend, a kid named Cameron.

Cameron Allie was drinking, smoking weed and at some point she got a little too shithoused and got sick.

4:46

That girl.

So.

She likes to party.

Yep, she likes to party.

She's a partier.

And wait, how old?

Did you say she's?

16 OH.

Man.

She started young for sure.

So Cameron says that he called Allie's house and spoke to her sister to make sure Allie got a safe ride home.

5:05

Because she's fucked up, right?

OK, so he's does what a good kid would do.

Allie's sister picked her up and took her home.

OK.

And this can be verified right?

So the sister says yes.

This is like in the time of Ubers.

Yeah, and like videos, cameras everywhere.

5:22

Yeah, there's everywhere.

They.

Come around.

I I don't know.

This is 2000.

So bro, no, this is no, you're right.

This is 2016.

Yeah, dude.

So yes, yesterday, yes, yeah, there's like cameras, there's all that stuff.

Stick with the story dude.

Yeah, you're right.

Stick with the story.

So Ally was so wasted that her mother picks her up, sees how wasted she is, gets super worried and takes her to the.

5:44

Calls 911.

There you go.

She did not call.

No, she drove her to the bus stop and called 911.

She takes her to the hospital.

So while she's at the hospital, Ellie tells a nurse that she was sexually assaulted at the party, that she that she was just at next stop police station right safe.

6:04

Kit one O 1, yeah.

SWAT, we, I think we've all been on these calls where these type of things are a part of it.

Oh yeah, yeah, 100% though.

Police.

Are, you know, the people that don't know us have to realize that we worked right down the street from a major one of the largest universities in the country.

6:23

Absolutely, Absolutely.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, it's.

Hard not to get emotionally involved when you're dealing like your patient is a a victim of that type of assault dude.

Oh, yeah, It's disgusting.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

It makes your blood boil.

Yeah, for sure.

6:39

So this is the situation that she tells the nurse that she was in.

And you guys know, I guarantee you the nurses felt the same way we do.

They got right on the horn, got PD moving and.

Wait side, side.

Ball.

Is it rolling?

The hashtag me to movement around that time, 2016.

6:59

That's like in the thick of it.

That's right in the thick of it.

Do I know where you're going with that?

I don't know, I just I'm curious.

So Ellie claims that the next day she started getting texts from Cameron threatening to kill her and dispose of her body, one text read.

7:14

Sound like a good friend.

No one text read and obviously this is in quotes and this is also English people so.

Oh.

So.

Oh shit, that changes everything.

Here we go.

Spoonful of cigars.

Here's your quote.

7:30

Druggedy fuckedy muggedy lefty laughed at ye.

I've got HIV.

Druggedy fuck you muggy laughed at ye HIV.

Yes.

Is that what you're telling me?

Thank you very much.

I'm.

Giving you applause for man everybody.

7:45

Standing ovation.

I love the clapping.

Thank you for the ovation.

That was impressive, that.

Was right.

Pretty impressive.

Dude, you've made a major comeback.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

Well done gents.

I can tell you everyone, everyone, everyone.

Jolly good.

8:01

So Cameron gets interviewed and released.

For whatever reason, Ellie stopped helping the police and that drew an end to the investigation.

So, you know, she says she's raped, She's getting these texts, you know, with threatening messages.

8:18

And she drops it and says, ah, Nah, I'm going to move on.

Let's just forget about the rabie pot.

Move along with our lives.

What'd you say?

Indeed so.

Right, Well, I guess it wasn't that big of a deal.

So she want to make the accusation, but she didn't want to proceed with.

It correct.

And so let's don't let's hold off on judgement of that just yet because we're early, right?

8:40

I've already judged Jack.

I'm.

What am I supposed to do with?

My Mark over on Rob's side to you high five.

Yeah, we're good.

You.

You've got to.

Yeah.

Judge, can we just stop talking?

About you got to save your judgement on that.

OK, so that was allegation one we're going to get into now allegations 2-3 and four.

8:58

Oh so the plot Yep.

So on March.

No, that's Australia.

Yeah, well, whatever.

Let's throw another shrimp on the Bobby.

You're close to.

The wrong country?

Yeah, Complete.

Wrong country.

New Jersey, yeah.

So on March 8th and 9th.

9:13

What a Delaware to the party.

Ellie, 19, goes on a date with a kid named Jordan Trengrove.

She claims that Jordan took her to an undisclosed location and raped her.

Well, this is the second allegation.

This is the second.

9:29

Of four, this is the two of four in my.

Calculator.

She already gave the one, but then she bailed on that.

So this is on March 8th or 9th She.

Didn't sympathy because this is like obviously like.

These two dudes know each other.

We'll get to all of this.

No, let's.

Get to.

It right now, I know, I know you fuck heads got to got to shut the fuck up so we can get to it.

9:48

So March 8th or 9th, Ellie?

2017.

No, this is 2016.

OK sorry.

So this is on March 8th or 9th that she claims this happened and she reported it on May 6th, so 3.

10:08

Days later.

Yep.

So no SO.

May the 9th.

No March.

She reported it in May. 02 days later.

You were Haskell.

Don't have anything you ask them.

Include numbers.

10:23

That's true.

Ever forget that for?

Constant calculation.

Yeah, you're going to have to count the numbers out.

Don't answer to numbers.

Yeah.

So, so May 6th, Ali calls police and claims that she was attacked that day.

In addition to the attack, she reported the supposed rape that happened on March 8th or 9th.

10:42

So this is on the 6th, right?

And she says, hey, I was attacked.

And by the way, I was also raped on March 8th.

So according to Allie, Jordan came to her flat and was let in at some point.

Allie asked him to leave and was refused.

10:59

Ellie claims this is when she was held at knifepoint, beaten with a shower head and raped.

She had a swollen right eye, bruises to her legs.

Those are the pictures you saw.

Correct.

Why does where's the shower head come into place?

Yeah, how do you unscrew a shower head just so?

11:16

The one that screw it, but.

I mean attached like the hose.

There's like 18 other things that you can grab before you go fucking.

Take the time.

Yeah.

Hey, unscrew a fucking.

Shower head Hey, we, we I wanna kick your ass, but, you know, can you come over here in the bathroom?

Yeah.

I'm gonna smash you in the face.

Give me a minute.

Lock that door, please.

Yeah, yeah, lock that door here.

11:31

Yeah, yeah.

So I don't know how the shower head got brought into that whole mix, but that's what she says.

And you guys saw some of the pictures but she was beat up good.

Her legs were completely bruised and she did have a completely swollen right eye.

That is true.

11:48

So she also had text.

Here's a quote.

You were wanting it.

I should have filmed it.

Could relive the experience.

I'll rape you again and leave ye for dead.

No, I know what she's doing now.

No, you know what she's doing?

She's getting in these dudes phone and texting herself from their phones.

12:07

Show me the receipts.

Yeah, let me see.

I'm still not, but I'm still on the judge side still.

I've I've made a judgement.

I am sticking with it still.

All right, so let's so we'll talk about all those at the end.

So police interviewed Jordan and he's later bailed out.

12:23

So on May 18th, 2019, Ali again calls police.

She claims that after night out partying, she went home to find Jordan in her flat.

She had snuck in.

He had snuck in the front door that she had left unlocked for a friend.

12:40

She says.

Jordan.

Wait a second, it was it was an unlocked.

Door unlocked door.

So he didn't sneak in, he just walked.

In.

He just walked in.

Yeah, for sure.

All right, yeah, yeah.

Came in.

You can't.

Get anything past me, pal.

Not even swayed.

12:56

You're a quick one, I.

Am locked.

In this guy.

I'm locked in with my judgment at this point.

So she says he comes in, attacks her, and eventually rapes her again.

This time they arrested Jordan, charged him with three counts of rape.

And here's the fucked up part.

13:12

They remanded him to prison until the trial.

They held him in the sexual predator wing of the prison.

So like a without bail type deal.

Well, I guess basically he's not officially charged or he's not officially guilty, but he's charged and they deemed him enough of a flight risk that they said, hey, we're we're keeping you in jail and proven.

13:37

Guilty until proven innocent or.

I mean, you know for sure you can make that argument.

He.

So yeah, he ends up there.

They end up putting him in the in the pedo wing of this prison which.

13:53

For.

Crazy I, you know, and and there's been nothing proven at this point which.

Just allegations.

Just allegations.

Completely, I'm standing with my judgement.

I We don't have enough information.

Not yet.

So let's move on then to Allegation 5, so we can get more quicker to your guys's judgement, OK?

14:13

Yeah, it's just wrap.

There's only four.

So by by June of 2019, Eleanor was starting to get pretty well known by the local police.

She had been reported missing multiple times and each time was found fucked up on drugs, alcohol and usually had injuries, which is the thing that kind of fucked police up because they were significant.

14:36

Always.

You look at it and go, man, no.

One, I'm going to do this, I'm like judgment, but I'm not judging further because I'm not going to hold her accountable for some of those behaviors because of potentially what she went through.

No, that's not.

That's not a thing.

I know.

I know enough on purpose.

That's.

No, look, hey, got him.

14:53

No, no, that's yeah.

No, no.

No, yeah.

No, you can't.

You, you said.

You just said I can't hold her accountable for things.

No, no, go back and say.

Give the explanation with Go back like a.

Paragraph no what you said.

Wait, wait.

15:09

OK.

Wait.

So.

Go back and reread.

OK, in June of 2019 Eleanor was pretty well known by local police.

She had been reported missing multiple times and each time was was found fucked up on drugs, alcohol and and usually had injuries.

15:26

The fucked up on drugs, alcohol and injuries part.

Maybe she is like that, using those drugs and everything because something actually did happen to her in the past.

So the judgement that I currently have doesn't stand.

It's weakened just briefly, just a just a little tiny bit until we figure out a little bit more that makes sense.

15:44

That makes sense, yeah.

Yeah, I'm, I'm all for a fair judgement.

Yeah, that's.

What I'm saying, I'm going, OK, there's some you can behaviors that are leading me to believe that maybe something did happen.

All right, let's and I'm thinking it's.

Her dad, that's why he bailed.

I think she was sexually molested by her.

Dad, well, that has not most certainly ever been proven OK or insinuated so.

16:05

So in July of 2019, after being reported missing and found, Eleanor made some of her most outlandish accusations yet.

She would tell police that when she was younger, she frequently attended parties where most of the attendees were older men.

16:23

She said that she met a man that she called Rami when she was 12 years old.

Apparently, she used to work in a restaurant that Rami owned.

Rami was a local businessman named Mohammed Ramzan.

They verified this.

16:39

Yes.

Oh, OK.

Well, they verified that she worked for this person, correct. 12 years old and and that he knew her.

Yeah, I don't know about the 12 year old piece.

As far as what?

Yeah.

Great point.

What that means with working?

Strange, right?

16:55

Yeah.

And I don't know if it's, you know, a friend that you let your kid come over and help.

You know, I'm not sure about that because.

Employed.

Sounds like she is like our owner.

Yeah.

Or like baby's hat.

No, it said she she worked in a restaurant, so she probably helped eat dishes.

17:13

I don't know.

At 12.

It's. 12 and I think we're.

Getting 2000 and.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think European years is like kilograms.

All right, so Ali told police that Muhammad began grooming her at the age of 12 and that she believed that he actually loved her and that she was his girlfriend.

17:36

Yep.

So according to Ali, she began having sex with Muhammad at the age of 12 or 13.

Damn.

So we're about to get into this.

But you guys also know that allegations like this are extremely damaging to Muslim communities that.

17:59

Disgraceful to the family.

Well, and you know, ignorant people are going to start making assumptions about all Muslims and you know, and things start getting crazy, crime start happening and people jump to pass judgement.

18:16

And at the end of the day, like we said, Lance, this is kind of right around the peak of the me Too time.

People are jumping quick on both sides to support or to dam.

So this is the situation that Muhammad's about to be put in, according to Ali things.

18:37

So this is with Muhammad.

I'm sorry to stop you.

This is at 2012 now, right?

Because.

No.

This is like this 2019.

This is now.

OK, so 2012 she started with Mohammed. 2016 she was partying, doing drugs and doing all like that's been like the first accusation allegation, yes, haven't.

18:57

And now we're in 2019, right?

Correct.

Yeah, correct.

So, right.

OK, so who's according to Ally?

We're going to do that too.

You got me all fucking mixed up here, Lance.

That's not true.

I just, I just laid it out for you.

19:15

OK, Well, thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome.

So.

So according to Ally, things escalated with Muhammad.

What's?

Sad is my ADD can follow you.

It just goes.

It stays.

Right.

You know right where he's at.

You're just grabbing.

19:30

Yeah.

You're OK?

Yeah, I got this.

Bro fucking hey where are we going?

I'm your fucking copilot.

I'm good, man.

I'm with you.

So, according to Ally, things escalated with Muhammad.

She was asked to do it.

This is all her narrative.

This is no fact.

There's no proof of any of it.

19:46

Right, so Muhammad asked her to do this huge favor.

He has a friend that he needs LA to have sex with.

Yes, she says he begged her and swore to her this would be a one time thing. 2000 Rupals.

So Ali does the favor that Muhammad asked of her.

20:05

But according to Ali, the one time favor turned into a fairly regular occurrence, and Muhammad began getting paid for her services, so she So she says he's pimping her out now.

So hold on, how many rapes are we down here?

Well, some of them are consensual.

20:23

Yeah, yeah, consensual.

Consensual, not consensual.

But I get how they could.

Be confused.

Yeah, yeah.

Full breath.

Conceptually.

Conceptually.

Yeah.

Yeah, conceptual again.

Right there with you.

20:38

Yeah, I know.

You follow me.

Yeah.

So every one of these allegations seem to come with rape, right?

OK, Yeah.

So how many are we down?

Four or five.

Yeah, we're, we're climbing.

So Ellie claims that there were a lot of other girls at these parties that were doing the same thing.

20:54

She gave police a list of 60 girls names that were involved 6060.

She had that just laying around.

She has the names in her phone, phone numbers, everything.

Yeah.

This is the time phones.

I mean, she would have had it on.

Her I don't even know like tinfoil hat this but is this like a like an Epstein type like party?

21:12

So like circle.

So we'll we will get to that right, right.

So Ellie tells police that Muhammad had her go to Amsterdam, where she was forced to work in a brothel.

Apparently there was an auction at this brothel where?

Wait, who's telling?

21:29

She's telling the cops this.

Yes.

OK, so she's she says Muhammad and her go to Amsterdam.

She's forced to work in this brothel.

Hold on.

She's with this dude.

Where's her parents at this time?

She's they're allowing this to go on.

She's basically saying that they're taking her against her will.

21:48

OK, got it.

So, so she says she sold for £25,000 but the buyer never completed payment and the deal fell through.

She says Muhammad then takes her to Ibiza, which is a Spanish island located in the Mediterranean Sea.

22:06

And she was again forced to work in a brothel.

So, you know, we are starting to get into some of that deeper sex ring type of stuff, yeah.

Bro I I don't like that this stuff is actually true it makes me like very uncomfortable.

22:24

You know what I mean like this is currently in 2019, right 2020 two 1020 like this is now this is happening now it's.

Disgusting.

Wow.

Absolutely.

Just raise awareness.

So before we get into the investigation piece of this whole thing, I do want to give a little pretext to the police and their frame of mind at this time.

22:47

So this gets in exactly what we're talking about right now.

So there was an event in England that they called the Rochester child sex abuse ring, and it was still very, very fresh in the minds of the police and everyone in that community.

Literally the wounds hadn't even begun to heal from this that incident.

23:07

So this is again like could be a whole other literally three-part podcast to talk about that child sex abuse ring.

From 2004 to 2013 young girls were being trafficked in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.

23:25

The police completely shit the bet on this case.

They failed to take accusations seriously and were behind the 8 ball on starting an investigation to put it lightly.

So police completely fuck up this true sex ring and trafficking ring and it's monstrous. 47 girls were identified as victims. 42 men ended up getting convicted, with jail terms totaling 432 years collectively.

23:55

Damn.

Yeah, still not enough.

Well. 432 years. 432 just.

Collect like.

Well, yeah.

Right, Victor, I said.

Don't.

Drink.

Don't.

Oh, you told me with numbers, Newman.

No. 432 years.

I'm just saying like with 60 people, I'm just trying to figure out how many like.

24:13

It's 230.

Seven, No, I know, but I can like per like per person like how many like that would break break down.

Oh, let's don't do the math.

Let's just move on before we hurt ourselves.

All right, All right.

So although the police were skeptical of some of Ali's stories, you can imagine they're not about to fuck this thing up like they did the last time because some of the stories last time sounded so crazy.

24:36

They're like, there's no fucking way this is going on.

This has to be a lie.

And so Ali comes in with these outlandish accusations, and they're thinking, wait a second, this is ringing a bell from somewhere.

And I don't like the way it feels.

So they're sweating balls when she comes in and starts telling them about this stuff.

24:57

Police arrested Rami or Muhammad Ramzan and interviewed him.

Muhammad denied everything and said, hey, I hardly even know who this girl is.

So he's questioned for 36 hours until he's finally bailed and released.

25:19

And as you can imagine, monstrous investigation starts at this time.

So that was all within the 5th allegation.

So we're about to get to the 6th I.

Thought there was only four now.

We're on 6.

We're lying.

25:35

We're on 6 so.

We're being played.

You keep dragging us on.

It's going to be like a 10th 1 here.

We'll see.

All right, so.

What year are we up to now?

What year are we in?

You keep with the numbers.

The numbers.

25:53

Jeez, Rob, I'm just trying to keep it right in my head.

So what are we in $2000?

Trying to do and you made fun of me and I don't.

No, I don't want to play anymore.

I wasn't making fun.

Of you, you were you were hurting my feelings.

That's.

What's going on?

Laughing with you, We.

Were laughing.

All right, all right, OK, that's enough.

You do.

26:09

Let's move on to the 6th allegation.

All right, how many more are there Cuz you.

Originally, I won't tell you there's a lot.

I could swear in the beginning he told me there was.

Four.

No, I did not.

So while the investigation is going on, Ellie would make another claim that she had again been trafficked, this time to the Blackpool area of England.

26:30

According to Allie, she received messages saying that she needed to take the train to Blackpool.

Ellie was able to give police very specific details about the buildings and area that she had been.

And I'm talking like she was telling them, hey, there are calendars on the wall that were this the smell.

26:49

She's definitely been there.

She knows this down to a gnat's ass.

And so they're like, wow, this is, this is legit, and they're buying what she's selling.

Still a little leery.

Wait, hold on.

So she's giving these details, but are these details later confirmed that that was actually?

27:07

True.

There will be an investigation, yes.

So on July 10th, 2019, so we're 19, not 20, OK.

So she's 19 years old.

OK, so police take Allie on a car trip to the Blackpool area to do exactly what you had talked about.

27:23

Let's.

Go see if.

To start trying to confirm is this is this bullshit or not?

So she has all of the details right as they're doing this investigation.

That are very overactive imagination.

One of the two.

And so they go, well, perfect, we'll take her into Blackpool and have her start showing us all these things.

27:41

And this is going to be easy to yeah, 100%.

So they get to Blackpool, her and the investigators.

Suddenly the memory's shit, she can't remember any of this.

And the and there's actually footage the police recorded their ride with her and all of their travels through the city.

28:04

And one of the things you hear her say frequently is I'm not sure and I can't remember.

So it's all you can listen to this stuff if you want to Google it.

It's all on YouTube and interesting to say the least.

But this is the same police that is familiar with her, right?

28:20

It is correct.

So they they know to record everything with her.

They're recording everything so so she's now not able to recall many of the details.

She's extremely vague and short with the information that she does have.

28:37

One of the officers with her said that it was really weird that Ellie had no emotion at any point and this was the first time he began to actually have doubt in her stories.

I've had it all along.

The first five weren't doubted.

28:54

No, but remember, you know, we know kind of coming into this that there's going to be a hook.

Yeah, You know, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

These guys I.

Just don't want to be.

Don't.

So I don't think you will be all right.

It's predictable at this point.

This thing gets pretty crazy, OK, Right?

Yeah.

29:10

So investigators.

I have an open mind.

But open it all, right?

It's open, it's open.

It's just.

All right, so investigators start combing the areas that Allie had told them about.

They end up visiting a hotel that Allie said she was taken to.

29:28

One of the employees there remembers Allie and told investigators that, yeah, she'd been here, She actually reserved a room 2 days prior to when she stayed in it.

So they're starting to now, like you said, that one investigators like, oh, this something's weird here.

29:45

They start really now getting into the details of this thing and trying to figure out is this true or not.

Is this like a rent by hour?

No, it's a nice hotel.

Oh yeah.

So there's video footage or?

What was the?

Other well, I'm just used to like running in Motel Sixes, so I'm like thinking, Oh yeah.

30:04

You mean on calls?

Yeah, the fucking worst.

Yeah, when you say hotel.

This is nice.

It's most certainly not a Motel 6.

And there's actually video footage of her checking in and she's alone.

So, you know, she says that she was taken to this place and, you know, raped and so there.

30:23

She's checking in by herself.

She's checking in by herself.

Starting to unravel?

So she leaves the hotel about an hour later and they follow videos from different locations in the city of her walking around town, going into local shops.

30:39

She bought a few things and then she goes back to her hotel room.

The time that this was happening is the same time Ellie had stated that she was being driven around and assaulted at various locations by various men.

30:56

So they've confirmed she's lying.

So they know for a fact that the times you said this was happening, you were here.

We have you on video.

Is she getting anything monetarily?

Like is she?

Capitalizing on any of these?

No, no.

31:12

So the fucking crazy dude.

This is strictly just to like ruin dudes lives.

This is just batshit.

Crazy.

Well, we'll get to that part for sure.

Let's get to the kitten.

I know, I'm telling you, if you would do your research, you would.

I didn't get any research I'm that's true.

I'm learning this right now.

All right, that is true.

Jeepers Creepers.

31:28

So they also were able to get the door card data from Ally's hotel room.

They know now that the door was not opened after Ali's arrival from walking around town for almost 24 hours later.

Damn.

Yep and they can show that during that time she was logged into what they're in England is called the BBC iPlayer which sounds like like a YouTube type deal and she's watching videos.

31:56

They're watching you, man, you can't hide anything.

Anymore.

So she finally leaves the hotel after 24 hours and returns home via city bus.

And again, they have her on video.

She's a liar.

She is lying.

She's a liar.

Yep, she's stretching the at least about that right.

32:13

Yeah, we know for.

Sure.

OK, Well, I mean so.

Show me the receipts.

Credibility is not looking good, my judgment.

My judgment stands.

OK, so investigators now are getting super Duty.

They're like, oh, this is bad.

So they start.

32:28

Going this is the 5th or 6th allegation.

If she has four more allegations, I'm going to start being remember to court.

Remember, though, remember what they're coming off of, You know this.

They literally just went through one of the shittiest times probably in the history of their Police Department and they're trying their hardest not to fuck this up and.

32:50

So are you referring to?

The police.

The me too.

No, no.

Oh, oh, the the big, the big.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

I'm I'm thinking I'm still stuck on that.

I'm tripping out this time.

33:07

I fucking.

I was on the.

I fucking did not follow that one.

OK, Yeah.

So, so investigators, they start going door to door interviewing all of these 60 girls that Allie claims were trafficked with her.

Not one of these girls knew what the fuck she was talking about.

33:24

They're they're like and judgment.

Some of them, too were like, I hardly even know this girl.

Judgment stands.

All right, poor Rummy or Rammy or whoever, that dude.

Yeah.

And what we'll get to that?

There's more.

OK.

There's Rami, right?

There was Jordan.

Rami Jordan?

33:40

Yeah, before her.

Yeah.

And then Cameron before Jordan.

And one of Jordans, and that's the one that went to jail, right?

Jordan.

He is still in jail still today.

At no at that point.

In time, he's.

Still in jail.

For 432 years.

That's right.

33:57

Let's don't get into math.

Let's just move.

The speed of light Lance.

I I know it was multiple people with an accumulation of 400 and. 32 years so July of 2019 just.

Divide it.

Investigators start going down.

I was trying.

They finally started looking and moving all of their efforts towards Ally, and they finally get enough evidence to charge her with perverting the course of justice.

34:22

Perverting the course.

Of justice.

In this very proper English way.

That's right.

This is in July of 2019.

They go to serve her.

She's gone, so they go to her house.

She ain't there.

She's got wind.

34:38

So.

She knew the gig was up.

So The funny thing is this in your guys mind you're probably thinking OK, I see where we're headed towards, you know, the police are on to her.

We're, I know we're going well.

Let's get to allegation 7. 7.

We're not done.

Seven out of.

34:54

Four, we're not done.

So while out searching for Ellie late one night, Ellie's brother's girlfriend so the So she's gone, right?

Police go to go to arrest her.

She's gone, family's out looking for her, so her brother's girlfriend actually finds her stumbling along like a roadway bridge.

35:17

She picks her up, convinces Ellie to get in the car, She takes her home, make sure she gets home safely, and she calls what is 911 here, which I think is 999 in England.

Police showed up 20 minutes later.

35:33

So they get the call and go, hey, get your asses down there.

Now. 20 minutes later, they show up ready to arrest Ellie.

So they get to her house and of course her eyes are swollen shut and she appeared to have been assaulted.

35:51

Police took her straight to the hospital.

And again, I've seen pictures you guys can get on the Internet and look, she is beat up pretty bad.

Like bad to where I would even question seeing all the things we've seen over the years.

I would have to question and go, man, I don't know if someone could do this to themselves, especially a young child, which is really what she is at this point.

36:13

She's a she's a she's a child.

And so an old man, a grizzled war vet maybe, you know, but they were girl who.

Picked her up by the bridge can like contest that.

So we'll get to that.

We're working to that piece too all.

Right, yeah, 'cause I mean, some of these are like obviously have to have a corrugated or a coordinated timeline.

36:33

Right, so we'll get to the timelines.

So Ellie would claim that a man named Oliver forced her to take drugs and then raped her.

Ellie said he was part of a sex trafficking ring and that she had his number so they could even call and locate him, and they did.

36:50

And she had her name's Oliver.

I'm part of a sex trafficking ring if you wouldn't mind escorting me over here to my dark van.

In this.

Here's my business card.

You can call me anytime day or night and I'll traffic you anytime.

In this.

Puddles of blood.

Yeah, I don't mind.

37:07

You would handcuff yourself.

Ignore the knife.

Yeah, ignore the knife.

So this the.

Other screaming They're so proper they mean nothing.

Even the the the sexual assaults like more proper over there.

Like hello, I don't know.

37:24

So fucked.

Up.

Very fucked up.

Call 999.

Call 999.

All right, let's see where we're at now.

After you guys went sideways again.

So she gives them the number and they call and which is crazy to me, you know you're lying.

37:41

You know they're going to call this guy.

She's giving very specific details.

Yeah, and you give them the number.

Oh yeah, call him.

I mean, I don't know if she thought oh they're going to just believe me and not call or what the fuck, but.

That shit crazy BSE.

So investigators start doing research on Oliver.

They're able to find a video of Ellie in the city of Preston where she had where she had claimed to be.

38:03

They were also able to find video of Oliver and track him down.

S Oliver was a local electrician who said he was out celebrating his sister's birthday.

He said Ellie and him kind of just ran into each other, not physically but ran into each other out and about and he asked her, hey, can I borrow a lighter?

38:23

So Ellie and Oliver can be seen walking to an alleyway.

Alleyway.

Got to use my big boy words.

That's OK.

Where Oliver admitted to kissing her and having what he described as a brief and clumsy sexual encounter.

38:40

So I don't know what that means.

If that means they had sex, it means.

Whiskey Dick.

Maybe.

Right, couldn't get it out.

So he's, he's giving her like some validity, right?

Well, he he's kind of.

Cooperating.

This bitch got a plan.

She knows exactly what her ass is doing.

38:55

He at least says, hey, I kissed her and we had some kind of a sexual encounter.

But at this time, he has no idea what she's alleging.

No, he does not.

Well, there's no way he would know.

How would he know?

Well.

Was dumb unless they told him hey you're being accused of this but I don't think they had it that.

39:12

Probably not.

So, so just over a minute later.

So they go into the alleyway and just over a minute later, Ellie's seen leaving.

It's pretty clumsy.

She's one minute, Yeah, just over a minute.

39:28

Hey, what are you doing here?

Clumsy.

See.

Again, didn't I just shag you around the corner?

So one, one minute goes by, she's seen lighting a cigarette and walking off out of the alleyway.

Big time.

Yeah.

Big times.

That's what I.

Did so she eventually does a little bit more walking around and she gets on the train and heads back home This was about an hour before police turned up at her door so and you would think OK now I know where we're headed let's go on allegation 8 so.

40:01

Eight at 4.

Ali would tell police that when she got off that train she was met by two Asian men that walked her back to her apartment, beat and raped her again.

Again she is literally saying I I get raped by this random guy.

40:19

I get on a train to go home, 2 Asian guys are waiting for me.

When I get off the train, they take me to my house, rape me again and beat me.

Did did she like like supply them with their phone numbers?

She did not.

She did not.

40:35

So there was only about 20 minutes of time that had went by from when the Ellie's sister or brother's girlfriend had dropped her off at home and when the police showed up.

Per the girlfriend, Ellie had no injuries and was alone when she dropped her off.

40:54

So at some point between that and her in her encounter with the police, yes, she had all these bruises.

Yes, and I mean it's pretty nasty.

Remember the movie with Jim Carrey?

Liar.

Liar when he was I'm.

Kicking, kicking my ass.

Yes, you mind.

41:10

And she had gnarly injuries.

I mean, she was.

Just she was committed if it assuming it wasn't true, right?

Because I'm not going to assume that like.

I've already assumed.

And I know I'm just saying like assuming it wasn't true, that's commitment.

She's can we just, can we agree there?

41:25

Extremely committed, yes.

Turn negative into a positive.

Yeah, this is like I'm saying.

You're a leader.

This is.

Damn.

Yeah, so there's a video.

Pictures are crazy.

That's makeup.

So this is similar to your neighbor that had herself beaten up.

Oh yeah, Marissa.

41:41

To try and Yep, to try and get insurance money.

Remember, get paralyzed.

Shoot.

Me in the back.

Yeah.

Marissa Duvall.

Yep.

Yeah, absolutely.

All right.

So again, I know you guys were thinking, all right, we're moving, we're there, Let's work on allegation 9.

Yeah. 49 to 4:00.

41:58

Let's get moving So Ally would also tell police she was raped by a man named Lee.

How many rapes are we up to?

9.

Well, we're at allegation.

Well, not I'm not including the two Asians.

And not.

Including those are technically kind of rapes.

42:13

Not including the brothel.

So she tells police that this guy, Lee, had raped her and she had told friends, you know?

What I'm impressed about no babies out of all.

Those rapes, funny you said that, said no children because she's a lot.

Of but I've heard that English aren't very fertile.

42:30

Is that true?

That true?

I don't know.

I don't think that's.

On TikTok, it's got to be true.

So so she says that this guy Lee rapes her and that got her pregnant which.

Wow, she said.

Didn't see that coming.

Yeah, well.

I see what she did there, yeah.

42:47

She said that she found out she was pregnant and had like a backstreet abortion.

That's what she described it as with a coat hanger.

Coat hanger.

And she says that procedure caused her to be in a coma for months.

Here's the here's the thing.

43:02

It kind of like every other story, like you give these names and numbers to real people that you can.

Age well for the left.

So all of this could easily be proven proven to be a lie by all of her medical records.

So it was not hard for them to go, OK, this is complete bullshit.

43:20

Yeah.

And are you kidding like this?

Are you serious?

You know.

So I'm not going to lie, I thought like the coat hanger was like a like a crude joke.

No, that's like a natural.

Thing that was what she told people, yes.

Man, they don't have a lot of.

Color me surprised.

43:37

It's I don't think the plastic hangers would work.

So.

Right.

You need wire and they have mostly the plastic coating.

I know.

But if you were, like, really into it, you'd really have to.

Be like well you got to get the they still use the metal ones for like like.

Dry cleaning.

Yeah, dry cleaning.

43:52

Dry cleaning.

Like your coat jackets?

Yeah, but the owners, I know that because you like when you go to, like the kids are like roast hot dogs or marshmallows.

You always got to go look for hangers.

And you're like, we can't do it because we have plastic ones.

We'll get back on topic.

Yeah.

OK, let's get back on.

Topic Let me take another.

So, so remember right, this is when PD finally gets to her.

44:11

She had been missing.

They get a call from the the brother's girlfriend and they get there in 20 minutes.

They find her beat up and we know now there was only 20 minute gap.

And in that 20 minutes, all of these injuries pop up.

44:30

So she's having multiple rapes within 24 hours of himself?

Yes, it's insane.

And she's finally arrested and charged.

So at that point, they finally go, OK, here's the cuffs, let's get you moving.

So she's confronted with some of this evidence about her lies.

44:47

And she decides I'm going to start claiming now that, hey, yeah, I lied, but I was hiding out in these hotels because the men in this sex trafficking ring had found out that I was talking to the police, and they're going to kill me.

45:04

So she says, yeah, I lied to you.

I was in this hotel by myself, but that's because these guys are trying to kill me.

Clever girl.

Yeah.

So the.

Crazy thing.

Is this is what they thought last time?

Like this is ridiculous.

45:19

She's so she's, she's kind.

Kind of smart.

She she, I mean.

Clever.

At a minimum, she had great timing.

Right, she's.

Yeah, she knows.

Not smart, but.

Yeah.

So she knows enough.

She's on allegation 12 of four.

45:37

So and.

We're only on 9.

So things are unraveling a little bit, and there's certain things now that she's kind of faced with, she can't ignore them anymore.

So there's damning evidence, and she has to start telling a semblance of the truth about some of these things.

45:55

So she had talked about being taken to a brothel in Amsterdam.

She actually was in Amsterdam at that time, but she was on a vacation with her sister and her sister's boyfriend.

And they both were talked to and said, yeah, no, we were like, at restaurants.

46:11

We stayed in the same rooms.

Multiple lives.

Multiple.

Lives none of that happened.

So Rami, the guy that was supposed to have taken her to Amsterdam for that brothel, he could prove that he was not in Amsterdam at the time of Ellie's supposed sex trafficking.

46:28

He was had complete evidence that he was somewhere else with his wife.

OK, wow.

Yeah, so Jordan getting to one of the other of poor.

Way back when he was like allegation 2.

Exactly.

So at this point he's still being held in pedo prison.

46:45

He's locked up and I.

Think you have any caught wind of any of this yet?

I don't think so.

And it's been, it's been he spends a total of 10 weeks.

So Jordan actually ended up when this is done, right, Fast forward, because I think we know at this point this was all a crock of shit.

47:04

Yeah.

So he ends up having to move out of that part of England because people are seeing him on the streets and calling him a rapist.

And he he he has to get out.

And he even in the future, attempts suicide.

Damn, like.

47:20

She she completely.

Ruined.

His life, right?

So he was actually though, you know, 10 weeks later, let out of prison and the the charges still had to be worked through, but he was let out at least and allowed to go home.

47:38

So and, and the crazy part is we're not done.

Let's get to allegation 10.

So on the 19th of May, Ellie's mom reported her missing again.

So get this, this was the 30th time she'd been reported missing that year.

47:58

So by.

Who?

Her mom.

Her.

Mom's in on.

It, well, that's not been, that's not been anything that's brought up in any of the I mean it, it sounds goofy for sure, but what this reminds me of is I mean, we all know we have the frequent Flyers in our business people that we'll see two or three times a day, four or five times a tour that's.

48:22

That's almost one or two times a month, right?

So I guess, oh, let's don't get into the math for the love of God, man, Jesus.

So, so 30 times.

48:39

So we all know when we see those dispatches and the names, we, we already can start putting some pieces together and we've got some ideas in our head about what might be going on.

So PD 30 times she's reported missing.

They know her very well in one year.

48:56

That's crazy.

In one year.

So the officers end up finding Allie.

She's in a dark field.

She's got a rucksack on.

She's wearing all black and she's been assaulted again.

She's got black eyes and was really beat up again.

49:12

Damn.

To the point that you're like, wow, that is true, true commitment.

Impressive.

So she claims that she was dragged into a car and taken to a house where she was raped and beaten by 10 Asian men.

Damn.

So she is, absolutely.

49:27

I mean, she's also Cameron and Jordan were both white males, but Rami and the random Asian men that keep picking her up and raping her, you know, she is absolutely killing the minority community in that area.

49:45

All of the business owners, one of the things you see as you start researching this crime, all of the business owners report losing massive amounts of business, Muslims and Asians in that community to the point that some businesses went under.

50:02

All because of her allegations.

All because of her allegations, she wrecked that area of England for a while for for minorities, for people that were specifically accused of different things that had to move.

50:17

Rami was a successful businessman in that area of England.

He owned restaurants and was well respected and just.

Hired the wrong girl, huh?

Apparently.

And then goes from that to a pariah, a sex predator who's.

50:33

Trafficked, then.

She was 12 when Rami hired her, supposedly.

So what's the truth in that?

Well, it it's not disputed, I think that is factual.

Is there another twist or is this like just staying?

On No, we're we're, we're moving towards the end of this thing.

I want to see what.

50:49

The So here's where, well, here's where things got wacky, right?

So Ellie posted the pictures of her beaten face and like you saw you guys saw the picture, she's beating pretty bad.

She posts them on Facebook with this long story about all of these things that we've went over and her being trafficked and what's going on.

51:09

And the police have arrested her, arrested her after all of his things.

And this is where the Me too stuff takes off.

And she absolutely becomes like a this martyr.

51:24

Martyr.

Yeah.

And it's going now.

It's absolutely fuels it and on her end, like I said, the minority community, This is why things got so crazy for them is because social, it's social media aspect of this just absolutely fuelled it, sent it into hyperspace.

51:44

So because Ali had broken her bail agreement, police were able to rearrest her.

She's back in jail.

Trial begins in October of 2022.

Damn.

Yep.

So we're only talking a couple years ago.

52:01

Claims the judge sexually assaulted her, you know, while the prison guard on the way.

To Yeah, absolutely.

At some point, it was just ridiculous.

So she, as, as we know happens and Lance, you know, we get to this almost in every ending of these murders because people start being evaluated now and we're trying to find out, hey, are they crazy?

52:24

Do they have some kind of mental illness that you know, so they start doing these tests on?

Her.

We've learned a lot over the last couple years on like how seriousness we, you know, we need to take things and recover all the bases.

Oh without a doubt.

So there is a psychologist that diagnosis her with PTSD from childhood events.

52:45

This is interesting though to me because a lot of this was largely an assumption.

That same psychologist said that she was most likely sexually abused as a child.

But Ali, though, doesn't.

She never says that.

She never says that she was sexually abused.

53:02

This is just an assumption that they make based on her actions and the things that she did.

But she but as much of A liar as she is, you'd think that Why would she not just lie and say, yeah, I was, you know, But she she did not.

At what?

53:17

At what point is that OK?

No point right, right.

She, I mean these, this is just as heinous as any other crimes that we've seen.

You know, we, we hear these things, we started talking about this, about this crime and you know, our minds are instantly torn because we want to instinctively believe the accuser and the.

53:40

Victim I feel like we've all seen, I've seen so much weird shit and there's always two sides of the story and like I did judge this, but you do always kind of keep an open mind.

But I don't.

I don't know, man.

It this one got goofy quick, but you you just don't want to believe that you want to give them every last chance because you don't want to have a someone that was actually victimized, that you marginalized and so.

54:10

Right, right, right.

So we do that, and, you know, when people like this, unfortunately just takes advantage of it and it makes it difficult in the future for all the people that are going to have these things happen to them because like you said, the disgusting part of all of this is these things are really happening.

54:28

Yeah.

Today.

Yeah, today.

So absolutely crazy.

So she was found guilty in 3 1/2 hours of eight counts of perverting the course of justice.

And get this, for the first time in English history, for a woman, the trial was actually televised.

54:50

No kidding.

Yeah, because it had caused so much damage to the community.

Interesting.

And those people right that they wanted to have.

Like so she's in prison today.

Well, she yes she is.

But here's the interesting thing too.

Jordan's out though, right?

55:06

Yes, all those folks are good.

They're out good.

So what is she in for?

What?

What was the sentence?

The perversion of no, I know.

What that is?

But I mean how long?

So she was sentenced to 8 1/2 years in prison, but half of that was she's allowed to serve in in house arrest.

55:23

So my question is if Jordan had actually sexually assaulted and did everything that she said that she that he did?

What crime would he have been charged with?

What time?

How many?

How much time?

Decades.

55:38

Right.

So why wouldn't she get that same like?

100% in the in the name of fairness, right?

And look at three of these people, three of these people that she accused attempted suicide, right?

She absolutely ruined people's lives and.

55:56

She's never been interviewed since about reasons why are.

There, there is.

I haven't seen any like posted interviews, but she has made comments about things and she did come out and say I basically she said I made some mistakes and told some lies, but you basically you don't know the whole story.

56:17

It's somewhat like saying that some of this stuff is true, which it none of it is.

Yeah, none of it is.

It's all complete bullshit.

I'm sure there is some fabrication of the truth that she embellished quite a bit to.

Like the whole all of it.

No, what what what I mean is like like go fucking all of it.

56:33

No, what I mean is like it it would be, I assume that they're like she really was in certain areas.

She was right.

She was.

So there's some like some truth to there.

There's there's.

Truth only to some of the logistical things that she told.

56:48

I think the only truth is that she was probably molested and sexually abused as something as a child.

Well, she didn't.

I think that was only suspected, right?

OK.

But I mean, maybe she's just a piece of shit.

Yeah, maybe.

Well.

There's no doubt.

57:04

I mean, yeah, this is, I mean, it's it's horrible.

It's not just horrible for the people that she hurt, but all the people in the future that she hurt that haven't even, you know, they will legitimately have these things happen to her.

And there's going to be people walking around this Earth that will not believe a word of it because of this person.

57:25

And that's, and that's what's truly infuriating is like for me, like when I say like as a man, like, like, like my, my job is to protect you know who I can.

And when there's people like that making faults and allegations and accusations, it's just very frustrating.

Yeah, it's horrible.

57:41

Yeah, it's literally disgusting.

I wouldn't say it's unfortunate.

I wouldn't say I'm as disgusted with her as I would be a rapist.

Well, but I'm disgusted with her nonetheless.

So yeah, three of the accused guys tried to commit suicide.

It it, I guess on a good note, she wasn't smart enough to actually have any of these things stick.

58:03

So, you know, these people were ultimately vindicated and set free.

But.

How many allegations was that?

10/10. 10 And some of those allegations include multiple people.

Right.

Yep.

Yeah, absolutely not.

So anyway, Eleanor Williams.

58:18

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