Brandy Hall

Our “detectives” give you an up-close and personal look into firehouse debauchery gone too far. Belly up as we dive into the disappearance of fellow firefighter, Brandy Hall and her suspect smoke eaters.

Sources:

•Wikipedia

•Police Drain Pond Where Brandy Hall’s Truck Was Found 15 Years Ago in Messy      Case, Florida Today; John A. Torres

•Brandy Hall Part 1, True Crime Garage

•Brandy Hall Part 2, True Crime Garage

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Transcript

0:00

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0:26

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Hi.

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Pull a chair up, grab a plate.

It's time for dinner at the Deuce.

Wait.

Grabbed.

Alright, starving.

0:41

Starving, Starving.

Fellas, this one I've been absolutely pumped, only to be overshadowed by our previous spot fire with Kenneth Roman.

OH.

Hey, I'm sorry to get into your thing, but do you want to introduce?

The people, God damn it, I knew I was going to forget something.

0:59

Just.

Keep this in.

We know no.

Let's do this.

No, let's do.

This you're you.

I mean, you're you.

But I don't know that.

To my left, Robbie.

Yeah.

Crazy Rob Anders, you you certified To my right Fancy Lance.

Carlson pants.

One of these days, I'm going to get this right, yeah.

That's a problem.

It's, it's our first wait, no, it's our 3rd or 4th.

1:17

It's we're down the line, but you know we're you don't know we're there, but.

That's OK performance.

Yeah, I'm dyslexic.

That's OK.

Yeah.

So all right.

From me.

I guess I'm asking a lot.

There's no licorice is.

That what's going on?

That's true, true.

Had one licorice today.

So let's get back to it.

1:34

Licorice is gone.

We have to move past it, OK.

All right.

Well, I'm not happy.

About it and like I was saying, unbelievably excited only to be overshadowed by our one previous to this with Kenny Roman Kung Fu Kenny.

But this one equally is badass in that it it hits US right in the heart because it's about firefighters and we're going to know these people.

1:57

We're going to be able.

To put these people.

To faces.

No.

Are you just talking like OK.

Yeah, metaphorically, it's a metaphor.

Yeah, I got it.

I got it.

It's not real.

Yeah, I'm explaining.

Stop, Lance explaining.

So.

I see what you did.

There this.

Episode is about a firefighter named Brandy Hall.

2:16

Guilty.

Wait.

No, she's not.

She got.

Hired, she got.

So she did get hired.

So we'll we'll move past a few things and get straight to, I think just a little bit about her because there's a lot involved in this story.

2:32

So she was born Brandy Rogue in Holopa, Florida.

I don't know where Holopa.

Is it's somewhere?

It is most certainly somewhere.

So this was on she's born September 14th, 1973, so she's a few years older than me, Rob, that's about your age, right?

2:53

Yes, close ish.

Close, yes, so.

She put her at about 51. 51 She's a life still.

OK, so anyways.

Yeah, so most 51 year olds are dead.

That's right, old.

This is a crime fucking story, Lance.

That she might have been killed, I don't know.

3:10

All right.

Yeah, thanks.

I forgot about that part.

OK, Can we rewind?

Bro so she's so Brandy's an only child but she did have 1/2 brother, half brother from her father's prior marriage.

So she's not an only child.

3:27

Well, she is.

Great work detective.

She doesn't have any.

She is all right, let's move on.

OK.

So you're telling me she's not old?

So wait a second, this is not adding up this.

Is all right 1 + 1?

3:42

So, So she was a tomboy through and through, from what relatives say and I.

And when I was writing this episode, I thought I heard the word tomboy firefighter.

And I thought, well, yeah, that's obvious.

But then I start thinking to all of our females, and I don't think they're tomboys.

3:57

So I guess my stop.

What?

I wasn't going to say anything.

Everything I say is appropriate.

All of our honest, like on a serious note, all of our females I think are different across the board, but I wouldn't category categorize any of them necessarily as a tomboy.

4:15

What I'm trying to do I guess is get into like, can we recognize this person in the fire service today?

Can we put a face?

In well, there certainly are girls that are Tom have tomboy characters, but not all of them.

Is that what you're saying?

OK yeah, so she was an outdoors person, 4 Wheeling, ATV, shooting, hunting, and her nickname was Redneck so that.

4:38

Certainly is a tomboy that's got some that's.

Got I've got a picture in my head.

Yeah, she also not.

She also takes she also takes a piss standing.

Yeah, so.

So listen man, I.

Did give my name Britney.

4:53

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jesus.

Christ, yeah.

I lift my leg up on a tree and piss on it.

Yeah, yeah.

She takes a half a can of Chopper.

Yeah.

Yeah, why do this?

Yeah, treat me like Princess.

5:10

Goddamnit, we kill that.

Stay Golden Ponyboy way.

But coping.

All right, All right, That's enough of that.

That's enough of the tomfoolery.

So.

So.

Unfortunately.

She hadn't man, I do see what you did there.

5:29

So she had an ATV accident at the age of 11 and that left her with some facial scars and permanent migraines.

She had fractured her skull and broken her jaw.

Yeah. 10 to 12 hour surgery and one year of home rehab at 11.

Years 11 OK I do I feel bad for.

5:45

Her at 11 years old, right and so, you know we're starting to get an idea of who she is and what she's all about at her core.

So, as is the case with many people involved in severe accidents like that, we see it all the time and obviously in our profession is It sparked her interest in first response and emergency medicine.

6:05

That's very, yeah.

So I get it.

Yeah, you guys know, I think you know, every time we hire and do interviews, that is always a piece of a lot of people's.

Tom-tom.

Tom-tom.

Oh absolutely.

We got pictures of him right, Running calls when he was a child.

6:21

So really.

Sue Frank Reed.

Yeah, how do we not know this?

He there was a house.

You don't know everything.

He had house fire, he met our crews and there were pictures of him talking with our crews.

No, kid.

A kid, yeah, not, not even that young, to be honest with you.

That's what sparked him to be a firefighter.

6:38

So not, not uncommon at all.

He's a good dude.

So in 1993, when Brandy was 20, she started volunteering at Palm Bay Fire Department.

And she goes, So we'll joke a lot about this, but there's some seriousness with it, too.

While volunteering at Palm Bay Fire Department, Brandy met a firefighter named Jeff Hall.

6:59

He was 11 years her senior and she began dating him.

He's the one.

So this was in 1993, right?

Yeah.

They marry in 1994.

OK.

And there's a picture of him right there to the left.

7:15

That's their wedding day, that big dude, big boy.

Who Wei?

Yeah, he's a big boy.

And she's, she's 20 years old.

She's. 20 and he's.

Then 3130. 1.

Got it And so. 20 + 11.

So look, this isn't just, this isn't just our profession.

7:32

So and and I these are two consenting people.

I don't want to get two sideways on it, but there are predators in every.

Yeah, of.

Course profession, unfortunately, yeah, yeah.

Shark Week.

In most certainly and and I don't know what this guy's deal was.

I don't want to pass judgement, but I will tell you, yeah, as the people that work in the fire service, you start seeing these things and you instantly start the red flags start going up about, OK, this ain't move in the right direction, correct.

7:59

Plus he's got a mustache that just That's a creeper.

That's a creeper stash.

Yeah, that's the mustache of the times, though.

It is.

Yeah, I guess so.

It's still better Nesco's though.

Yeah, that's the little too thing.

He used a, He used a Oh yeah, he's got Sharpie that in.

8:15

Yeah, that's a picked over cornfield the.

Young.

Yeah, the Esco or old Esco.

Old Esco Young Esco didn't get hair in his balls yet.

Yeah, he don't even know word yet.

He is a good kid.

So that was in 1994.

They get married, right?

So she also, during that time, would meet a captain named Randall Rich and file that name away because we'll have a lot, lot more about that douchebag here.

8:39

I.

Forgot his name?

So 1994 they're married.

Their daughter Taylor was born in 1996 and their son Clay was born in 2001.

Wow.

So 2 years.

She's now 22 years old.

He's 33 years old.

8:55

Yeah, their first child is born.

Brandy got hired full time as a paid firefighter on Palm Bay Fire Department.

Around that same time, she promoted to engineer animatic in 2000.

Her husband, Jeff Hall, became the Fire Chief of Osceola County in 1993.

9:17

He was the youngest Fire Chief in county history, which county is about 9 cities for them.

He was paid roughly $55,000 annually.

Wow, so.

No kidding.

Yeah.

And so do some of the other simple math, right.

He was a firefighter in 1993 when they met.

And so from 93 to 99, he moved.

9:37

Oh, no, no, before that because he retired in 99.

Actually, he got promoted to Fire Chief right around that same time in 9394.

So he must have made a straight.

Right to the top.

Which are all these paid?

Not all of them know.

9:53

So they're like combination.

They're small departments where you can go from a firefighter to a chief.

Got you.

OK.

So yeah.

It basically like raise your hand if you want to be a chief.

Exactly.

Basically got you.

But when he became a chief, he did start collecting pay $55,000 annually.

10:11

I would assume that's more than a firefighter's pay, right?

I mean as a jumping.

Yeah, OK.

Well you figure I got hired in 99 and my seller was like $28,000.

A year, yeah.

So that's.

Seriously.

That's double your hey, that's making money.

Yep, good for you.

10:27

So here's where you know, again, things kind of start getting a little wonky.

So after six years as Fire Chief, Jeff retired in 1999.

He stated that he wanted to spend more time with the family.

He had a small pension and opened up a small welding shop out of the back of his house.

10:44

There you go.

So.

She's going to murder him.

Living his life, I have a feeling.

Your spider senses are so horribly off.

Is that true?

That is not true, but it it's a great theory, I suppose.

Well, if you're I know what you're doing, you're trying to lead people off the scent right now.

11:02

That's right.

I got you.

I'm with you.

I'm with you.

I'm sorry.

I apologize.

So, so he retires in 99 and what I read is it was a little more than family.

I guess.

There were three public safety officials in that city, him being one of them.

11:21

The other two got fired and shortly after that he resigned.

So I don't there's more to it.

But there's a single event that they're all attached to or something, or.

Something is definitely fish.

I mean, again, we know this industry.

We know how those things work.

11:38

There's more to it than that.

Let's just ask Detective Rob to see if he can get to the bottom of this.

You're going to blow steam out of his ears.

I.

Don't want to do that?

All right.

So per friends and family, Jeff, Brandy and the family were doing great.

11:54

Seemingly too great they they wanted for nothing.

The kids had all of the most expensive toys and clothes and Brandy had just purchased a new pickup, a real nice like a shed lifted Chevy nice truck.

And this was all done on Brandy's small salary, Jeff's small pension and profits from a very small basically friend of a friend welding operation.

12:18

So a lot of the people that knew them were like, hey, how the heck are they affording all of that stuff?

Yeah.

And he retired, you know, with not much of A pension.

She doesn't have much.

Money.

What could it be?

Right.

What could it be?

12:33

And so.

She's going to kill them.

I see where you're at.

I like where you're going with that.

So let's Fast forward to the marijuana grow operation.

Yeah, there it is.

It was going to kick in little school.

12:49

Skunk weed, Never.

Killed anybody On July 2nd, 2005, the police received an anonymous tip.

Jeff and his friend, an ex firefighter named Paul Hirsch, were arrested for marijuana cultivation was the actual crime they were arrested for so he retires in 99.

13:09

Six years later, in 2005, an anonymous tip LED police to his land where they where they charged him with marijuana cultivation.

So apparently these two geniuses had been growing the plants on a 13 acre parcel of land that was owned by Brandy and Jeff Hall.

13:28

Where in Florida?

Like not far from where they lived.

Where they lived and worked, Yeah.

And did anybody know about this parcel?

Well.

That kind of is in debate as far as whether Brandy even knew that there was marijuana being grown on.

13:45

That well, 13 acres is big, but it's not as big as people think it is.

No, it's not so big.

If there's people around it, you'll be able to smell it, right?

I mean, is it?

I don't think so.

I think it's pretty, pretty remote.

OK, Yeah, it was pretty remote.

So it's.

A lot of weed man.

That's well, were they utilizing the entire?

14:03

13 Well, no, so I'll get to that.

So the marijuana they grew was a specific strain known in the community as Crippy.

Yeah, Crippy.

Stricky.

Icky.

Crippy.

Yes it was super high THC and known for a super hard hitting high is what they said.

14:19

What they call that a botanist they were.

They were a genius.

Yeah, I don't know, like, well, yeah, when they say like strains like fuck, man, I don't know anything about weed Like it's.

Like you mean like straining straining bathroom?

What are you talking?

About no, I'm saying like when you say it's a certain strain of weed, you know, I mean like growing up in high school was like, it's either weed, it's either actual weed stems and sticks or dirt, rocks, pencils, shavings, you know what I mean?

14:48

Like honestly, like, I couldn't tell you.

Sack of rocks right there.

But then there's people who actually break it down to the science where like you go there, this is a totally different straight, like a species, right?

That's a species of weed.

So I don't know.

Whatever, dude.

Yeah, save that one, Fowler, where you can talk about that with wind when you get home.

15:05

And let's move past this.

So.

So they're growing crippy.

Right.

OK, grown crippy.

Yep, they use diesel generators to power their grow lights because it was a pretty big operation.

The plants were grown inside a mobile home and a barn located on the side of the property.

15:24

So.

Oh.

Indoor.

Yeah, they were.

They were doing the good stuff for sure.

I don't know if it was, I assume it was, but I don't know that part.

But it was high end marijuana that they were growing without a doubt.

So the operation lasted approximately 4 years is what they estimate and they sold up to 40 lbs of marijuana a month and we're profiting roughly $30,000 every two months.

15:57

So they're moving some good amount of weed, I mean $30,000 every couple months.

It's pretty obvious why.

Yeah, they weren't hurting for money.

Absolutely.

Well, yeah, 180 grand a year, is that what that comes out to?

Oh boy, you and the math.

16:13

I'm trying.

I'm trying.

I'm not allowing you to do math.

Anymore you said 30.

Pretending like I didn't.

Hear you said 30 grand every two months.

Every two months, yeah.

So 30 * 6.

Times, 6180.

Is that right?

Does that math. 180 does.

That math out.

It jives.

16:30

Yay, I win.

You win.

So the grow operations happening, they get busted. 4 sheriff's deputies entered the property.

This is kind of weird to me.

Without a search warrant, they said that they couldn't see anything with aerial reconnaissance due to it was a super highly wooded area.

16:48

And getting back to what you talked about.

You said Doo Doo.

I, you beat me fucking to it, you motherfucker.

I was going to say I fucking bit my tongue, he said.

Doo Doo.

You are children.

That's not true you mother fucking man.

So man, I stand up to pee.

17:05

I'm.

A fireman.

So the sheriff said that entered the land, they smell what they described as marijuana near the mobile home and barn.

So they left and applied for the search warrant that they didn't have when they walked on the property in the 1st place.

Which I which I right?

17:23

I'm not exactly sure how.

That works, yeah.

We'll just kill this guy and plant some crack on.

Yeah, it was just.

Yeah, it was here, the whole.

Time.

Yeah, it was here the whole time.

Yeah, see.

You see, there it is, the warrant says so.

Oh, our pants heads are falling off.

So the search that they would do when they came back found over $70,000 in machines stuff used to grow and they found 18 lbs of marijuana and over 100 plants.

17:52

So isn't.

That dog shit today, like honestly, like is that like what you mean that's not even?

No, that's not even.

Dude here let me tell you a quick story.

Side note, so my oldest son that was in the Marines, he became a professional grower.

I've had the opportunity to go to or through it.

It's a real big deal to go in there to get do security clearance, the whole thing.

18:10

The state does not fuck around bro.

The size of these grows, the amount of marijuana that's being produced on a daily basis, it would blow your fucking mind.

That's what I'm saying like 18 lbs is.

Dude nothing nothing you can shit 18 lbs bins stack tall and this shit just moves like daily it's insane man wow.

18:30

Yeah, I think in the grand scheme of what am I?

Doing What are we doing guys?

100% we're talking about those people.

Yeah, we're those guys talking about those guys.

We're those guys, hey.

Man, so I'm so depressed right now.

So you're right.

It's it's back then that was a big operation, yeah.

18:46

Today, not so much.

Not going to impress Snoop with that operation.

No, he, I think he does that a day.

Yes, without a.

Doubt, maybe a week.

I'll give him a week. 18 lbs a week, he could do that.

So the charges that they got rung up on were trafficking marijuana, manufacturing a hallucinogen.

19:05

What?

Yep.

I didn't know that was a crime, but it is important.

So they were shrooming too.

They were growing shrooms.

No, I think, you know, they're saying marijuana is also causes hallucinations, I'm assuming.

Yeah, so.

And they got charged with possession with intent to sell.

19:22

Wow.

That's true.

So both of these guys pled guilty, guilty.

And both actually said, hey, Brandy doesn't know anything about this.

Yeah.

And the reason they said that is because the property is owned by Jeff and Brandy.

So whether I'm assuming she knows, you know, I mean.

19:42

She wanted to build a dirt bike track.

Yeah, exactly.

And so she knows She.

Knows.

She knows so the.

Wheelies in the weed fields, that's.

Right.

What's her first name?

Brandy.

Brandy.

So because Brandy.

Rat bastard.

Come on, come back with.

19:58

Us.

I'm here, all right.

So a little too much time on this.

Won't won't like.

This farm.

So because Brandy was was an owner of the land, she was found legally responsible, at least initially, for the grow operation happening on her land and was arrested on July 8th, 2005.

20:18

So those guys said no, no, no.

But whoever the prosecutors were like, Nope, we're getting all of.

You OK?

We're getting everybody.

And so they came after anyways and charged her with the same basically charges that the two other gentlemen got.

20:35

So yeah, So in December of 2005, so she's arrested in July, the charges against Brandy for the grow operation were dropped.

The only charges not dropped were commercial littering and pollution.

They got her on, that's how they.

20:52

It shows you, though, like fertilizers and and not to say they shouldn't be hard on them, but it shows you like the clearly those prosecutors had a bone to pick.

I mean, you're getting her on littering.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, don't you know straws kill turtles?

Clearly not dumb ass.

Clearly not because of the rest.

21:10

And this this is shitty too.

This really.

I don't know how this should factor in for her, but Brandy was fired from Palm Bay Fire Department after 10 years of service.

For littering, yeah, good riddance.

So.

That's not she got fired because of these charges, obviously.

Correct.

That's the part though that I I know why and what they used to fire her but at the end of the day she was convicted of littering what they used to fire her in my.

21:33

Community, you're getting fired.

That's what happens.

What they used to fire her was conduct unbecoming, which can pretty much be applied to anything.

That's the stick all.

That's yes, absolutely.

They got you.

Very subjective.

So, so she loses her job, which to all of us that are on the job, we know generally speaking, we all covet the position.

21:56

It's something we worked really hard to get.

We're proud of it and the thought of losing it scares us all.

Absolutely.

And so I I.

I I can't do anything else.

Yeah, yeah.

That's really what it comes.

Down.

Yeah, this is what I this is and you're on this is it.

22:12

For me and.

You're on a ladder truck, you know what I mean?

Like a ladder.

No, I, they, they sent me off.

I couldn't do it anymore.

So I gotta believe she was pretty devastated in this deal.

Yeah, even more so than her husband going to jail.

She's not innocent bro.

22:28

Well, she's not, no, but more innocent than them is what I think.

I think they were the guys.

Growing.

And she knew.

About that much weed without like oh I just never walked over to that part of the property for for how long?

Yeah.

Does that make you?

22:45

Does that mean you deserve to go to prison?

Right.

Yeah.

So like, what, what part of it, like is complacency?

You know, like, how much weight does that hold?

Right.

So like, let's say she knew about it but she never participated in it like.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, is it the wrong at the time, right.

23:01

Knowing what we know now, marijuana is like not anything, right?

Correct.

But at the time, 84. 84.

It's.

That's no, no, this was in this was in 2602 thousand.

Bro nobody was already legal around some of the states.

23:17

No, 2005, I'm sorry.

Yeah.

But nonetheless, it's still not what it is.

I think it's it was first class Class 1.

It's drug narcotic, right?

I don't.

Yeah, probably.

So it's awesome she gets fired.

Brandy starts working odd jobs for a friend of hers construction company doing basically welding.

23:38

Apparently she was a very good welder and she also became a firefighter with Malabar Fire Department.

And so the reason they took her on as a volunteer, Malabar Fire and in Florida they're firefighting.

23:55

Do you actually have a firefighting certification that has to be renewed every couple years?

So if you're not actually operating as a firefighter, you'll lose your certificate.

So she wanted to get a job as a volunteer so she could at least keep her cert while she worked her way towards getting a job again, because she did want to get back on the fire department.

24:18

That was her plan.

I mean, that's fairly noble, you know, to like, especially like volunteers.

My hat's off to that you.

Know well the whole.

Deal because you're doing it for for the right reason for sure.

I mean, she so.

Those charges of her stuck.

It's like she couldn't get rid of those charges.

She can get them expunged off her record.

24:33

They're.

Littering and.

Littering all that.

It's on her record.

But I don't think that's a felony.

No, I think that's the only thing that's going to keep her from getting a job is.

Well, she got fired from the her.

Well, here's what it is.

Here's what it is.

You guys know our profession.

24:49

It's a very small community, guaranteed when a Fire Chief was losing his job for or had retired and then got busted for a grow operation, everyone in that community knows.

Where are you going to go right if you know you're not going to get in the deal if.

25:10

You details but.

So so where's she going to go that doesn't know, you know, but I do like you said, Lance, honestly, like, hey, you pull your bootstraps up and go to work right?

There you go.

She's got a job welding and and went back at it.

Yeah, good for her.

Yeah, cool.

25:25

So let's get to the disappearance on August 17th, 2006.

She's going.

To kill him.

Oh, for the love of God.

Brandy was scheduled to be on shift at the Firehouse in Malabar, and she's scheduled in the morning to be at the courthouse as a character witness for her husband Jeff, because he's being obviously tried for the big the grow operation and so on so forth.

25:56

Years later.

No, this is in O 6, so that was in 05.

OK, they were arrested, so a year later.

Year later.

So.

You're an S off.

So.

So she's scheduled to be at this sentencing Dicks.

26:15

And she also had put a phone call into this, that captain, that I told you about earlier, Randall Richmond, and said, hey, will you come also be a character witness for him and help get their sentence down?

So he said yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

He grows the best weed.

26:30

Yeah.

That's my.

Man, that guy's, that's my boy.

That's my guy.

So at approximately 9:30 PM, Brandy called her house, said prayers and goodnight to her daughters.

She spoke with her husband Jeff for about 10 minutes and that was that.

26:48

That was her night.

We call and check in with the family.

Done deal, right?

So about an hour after hanging up with Brandy, Jeff gets a call reminding him from his lawyer that his court time had gotten changed from 8:00 AM, which is what it was initially scheduled for, will change to 8:00 AM I'm sorry.

27:11

So it was, it was supposed to be later than that, and they brought it up a few hours to 8.

Got it.

So at 11:00 PM, Jeff calls Brandy and he wants to remind her of the same news he just got, which is hey, you're not going to be there at 10, you're going to be there at 8.

27:27

Don't forget, right?

And so Brandy doesn't answer the phone straight to voicemail.

And of course the mailbox is full and unable to leave a message.

Yeah, when you're under investigation, it's important to keep.

Your mailbox, you would think, yeah, unbelievable.

27:45

Yeah, that's OK.

She's she's probably high.

So I had no doubt.

So the following the following morning, Jeff receives another call from his lawyer saying hey man, false alarm, original time 10:00 So Yep.

28:02

So he's like, OK, so now he's on the horn trying to call Brandy and this Randall Richmond and say, hey, I need you guys here at 10:00.

Just make sure they're going to be there.

So Jeff attempted to call Brandy again and got the same result.

28:17

No answer, straight to voicemail and he can't leave a message.

So he's next option was he calls the Firehouse and was informed that she'd already left.

So Jeff assumes, all right, well, she's on her way home, you know, so he thinks she's getting off shift on her way home and we can talk about this whole thing and get prepped.

28:37

Well, Brandy's not at home, which meant Jeff had to go take the kids, get them ready, dropped off at school and do some things that he hadn't planned on because of what he had going that morning.

So he was a little bit it was weird for him because Brandy was a responsible person.

28:55

That's not something that would have happened.

So he's kind of red flags are starting to pop up.

Yeah, he's getting.

Worried the suspense is building.

Yeah, so she's.

Going to kill him.

So Jeff heads to the Osiella courthouse for a sentencing and the whole time he's calling Brandy trying to get a hold of her.

29:14

Nothing.

Jeff was eventually able to get a hold of Brandy's friend TJ, and TJ was a guy that worked at the Firehouse with her and was supposed to be on with her that night when she was working.

Sure he was.

So TJ tells Jeff that hey, Brandy wasn't feeling good last night and she left the station at about 10:30 PM at night.

29:35

Oh boy.

And so now he's really getting worried because he can't get a hold of her.

He knows for sure she was on shift last night, went home early.

She has a bad sushi.

Didn't go home stomach.

Bug.

That's right, things are going horribly.

Yeah, Station 2 cooked shit meal.

29:55

So just before the sentencing, Jeff receives a call from a sobbing Randall Richmond.

Oh boy.

He's the captain right from the other agency, Palm Bay, and he says, hey, man, I can't be there to be a character witness for you.

30:14

Basically, hey, I still want to promote, and this is going to look bad on me, so I'm not doing it.

But he's crying the whole time he's telling him this.

And.

And Jeff's thinking like, OK, dude, I get it, you can't be here, but I don't know about all the crime, right?

Like, why are you acting weird?

30:30

And so then some pieces together here.

Yeah.

So Jeff asks Randall, hey, man, have you seen Brandy or had contact with her?

I can't get a hold of her.

And he says that Richmond hangs up abruptly like nothing else.

Clink done.

Guilty.

So he's a killer.

30:47

So.

Guilty.

I thought you still thought Randy did.

It No, I meant that's why you hung up, because Brandy killed him.

Brandy Yeah, that's exactly what I was.

Saying that's what I was going to.

Say, well, play.

So the sentencing goes off.

No, no.

31:03

Character witnesses come in, right?

And they're sentenced to 18 months in prison and three years of probation.

That's it.

Yeah, which I was thinking too.

Not bad.

Yeah, not bad for what they did.

Yeah, 18 lbs.

Minimum home security?

A minimum pound you in the ass?

31:19

Yeah.

Federal prison.

I was thinking it was going to be a lot.

I'll bet you today it would be worse.

I would assume because that sounds.

Light to me, not for weed, not now.

You don't think so?

No.

Depends on where you're at.

It's.

Legal.

All the cool kids do it.

So.

So here's the crazy thing, right?

31:35

We do.

Yeah.

Jeff can't get a hold of Brandy.

He goes to a Sentencing gets his.

It's a.

Stressful fucking day.

It is.

He gets sent.

The kids are at school, right?

And so now Brandy's not there to pick the kids up.

31:52

He's got to go straight in from the sentencing into cuffs and into prison.

So he's not going to be there.

So the extended family ends up basically going, hey, we will take care of getting the kids and don't worry about that.

32:08

So, so everyone in the family now is aware, you know, like something is fucked up.

Something's going on.

So early on the same day as the trial, a fisherman who was fishing in a local pond hooked what ended up being a bag that had Brandy's turn out coat, pants, boots and helmet.

32:31

So.

What?

So the trial is going on.

He doesn't.

And this is happening.

Just, you know, he doesn't know.

No one knows.

Randomly a fisherman's fishing and hooks her gear.

And so the fisherman thinks, well, they're probably out here training.

32:50

So he's like, I'll take it to the station, but.

They're backed up these all these turnouts.

Are in, They're backed up.

Yep.

So he's thinking I'll take it to the station, they probably lost it in a training operation and just give it back to him.

And so that's exactly what he does.

The firefighters that got the gear from the fisherman obviously open it up and go oh shit, this is Brandy's gear.

33:14

So as you can imagine.

How long has she had she been missing at this time?

Well, yeah.

So this remember, so this is the day of the trial.

She went missing the night before.

OK, tell him she left home sick.

She left sick.

33:29

OK, so the night before then she was supposed to be.

This is the day of the trial, so the next day.

OK, so this is hours later.

That this fisherman finds this.

Turn out yes, that he finds the turn out gear.

Dude, what a coincidence man so.

Right.

Well, that's why we're doing a story on it.

33:47

It it is.

So.

She's not the murderer, you're the.

Light.

The light from that side of the studio is blinding me.

You're too.

Quick, yes.

Absolutely.

I told you guys I'd pick it up.

You got it?

Yeah.

You.

Nailed it.

34:02

You smelling cute?

And you guys thought I was dumb?

I made you.

Nope.

Dumb.

Dumb's too nice.

So, so these, so these firefighters, right?

They take the gear in from the fishermen, they see it's Brandy's.

He tells them where he got it from and they know exactly what he's talking about.

34:21

And so as you guys would think, if you put ourselves in that position, someone comes in and you know that you've got a sister missing off your truck and they give you her gear and say we found it here and it's in your first due area.

You're probably getting in your truck and heading down to wherever.

34:37

They found, yeah, with PD, with everybody, right?

Right.

And so that's what these guys do.

They beat feet down there and like, hey, let's, let's get down there right now.

And.

See, it's your body.

They're looking for a body.

Now, right?

Well, anything.

Right?

Let's see what the Hell's going on.

So everyone's worried and scared at this point.

34:53

So these guys are out there or a fire crew, they're looking around and they notice like, hey man, look over there, those trees are tore up.

Something came through those trees and it looks like shit got ran over.

There's mud leading from that into the pond, so.

35:13

It doesn't.

I don't think they're cracking the case, man.

It seems like anybody walking by could have seen all that shit.

Well, for sure, but you're.

Making it sound like there was like, oh hey, we made this discovery with these broken trees in the smear of mud well.

Well, they're the first ones there, and these guys aren't cops, they're firefighters, you know what I mean?

35:30

Well, it's kind of alluding to.

Common sense.

Well, I mean, maybe, right?

But as they say, common sense ain't so common.

So, so, so these guys are they're like, OK, this not good.

They see also a little oil slick on top of the water and they're like, they're like man, this now they're really getting worried, as you can imagine, because things are not looking good.

35:56

We should call the cops, yeah.

That's right, yeah.

Wake them up, motherfucker.

Let's wait till 2.

Yeah, let's wait till two call these butt holes in.

So after several hours, firefighters, along with the Police Department were able to pull a pickup truck out of the pond to go Brandy's truck.

36:17

There's Brandy's truck.

Kind of make it sound like they like got on either side of the car inside the pond and like walked it out.

Like, whoa, you got a tow truck?

And no, no.

Well, remember though, what we're talking about is not this is a small half ball.

I don't see any half pay.

It seems like an accident so far.

36:33

It doesn't seem like a.

Oh, totally.

Criminal activity.

Yeah, and she just.

Slipped off the She doesn't know how to drive.

Yeah, clearly.

She was an engineer.

So there's video too, if you guys look on YouTube, whatever, there's video of her truck being actually pulled from that pond.

36:54

And it's obvious that it hadn't been there very long because we've seen vehicles that have and they look.

So I assume like her stuff was probably in the bed of the truck and just kind of like ejected maybe.

Well, I'm.

I would assume Sherlock it probably was, but the ejected piece I don't think so.

37:12

Field promotion.

Here you go, Wiggles.

So you get a star.

So they pull the truck out, police open the doors, and they're prepared for the worst.

But at least in their minds at the time, luckily, Brandy's not in the vehicle.

37:28

Oh boy, floating around close.

No, no.

Let me go out on a limb here, crying Fire Chief Guy wrecked this card and kind of trying to stage the crime scene.

Well, let's let's crack this.

One case wide open.

So.

37:44

You stay tuned.

So Brandy's, Brandy's not in the truck.

The truck gets sent off to forensics and they do their thing and that would last through the night but turn up absolutely fucking nothing.

It's been fucking soaking underwater.

38:01

Yeah, so you're like, come on, man.

So the next day, though, they resumed the search.

Cadaver dogs, more assistants, the dive team Combs the pond, and police meticulously walk the woods.

And you can see there's video of it.

38:17

Like they, they, they weren't going to miss.

Anything.

Yeah, I can see they have it up on video for.

That.

Dodge.

I don't know.

It's been on that call.

That's the Chevy getting pulled out, correct the.

Chevy right there.

Look.

At those tires.

And.

You know, too, not to say they say that police or fire, we don't work every bit as hard for people that aren't our family.

38:37

But I guarantee you the Police Department working on this, all of the firefighters, they know her.

And so this is personal with them.

And you can, you can tell, you can tell they're not missing anything.

So because the pond was so murky, it was decided that the pond would be drained from August 20th through the 23rd.

38:58

The retention pond was drained.

The search again revealed nothing.

So police start questioning the family Co workers and they start trying to piece this thing together.

It's determined that at 9:30 PM Brandy did indeed talk to her husband Jeff, which we knew, right?

39:18

She called, said goodnight to the kids and talk to her husband for 11 minutes.

So they confirm that and go OK.

Jeff's not lying.

That is true.

Per firefighters on shift with Brandy, she complained of an upset stomach and decided to leave early.

Video footage shows Brandy leaving the fire station at about 10:50.

39:38

PM She didn't go home.

She did not.

She went hooked up with this other bro.

You know what's weird though?

There is footage of her leaving the fire station, but there's also footage of her in the Firehouse talking with the guys, bullshitting and so the inside of their Firehouse is recorded.

39:56

OK.

And I mean the, the TV room, the kitchen, all of it.

Which, yeah.

And they'd see some shit they didn't want.

To see the mid 2000 like 2000s.

Yeah, that's crazy bro.

That's an invasion.

That's not cool, bro.

There's no way.

Yeah, that would fly in the valley.

40:13

Oh fuck no.

The match is shit.

They don't want to see what they'd see on those cameras.

Yeah, possible.

Deniability, yeah.

So 1050, you see the truck leaving, police were able about this time, so we're talking, you know, 2-3 days later they get all of Brandy's phone information, text, emails, phone calls, you name it.

40:33

And so at that time, they could confirm that yes, Brandy did talk to Jeff at 9:30 and Jeff did attempt to call her at 11 just like he said he did.

It would also be discovered that Brandy had an 11 minute phone conversation at 11 O five with Randall Richmond.

40:54

Oh, there it is.

That's the crying dude.

That's the crying dude.

So this was interesting because Randall had told police the day before that he had not talked to Brandy for weeks prior to her disappearance.

Lies.

Was he a liar?

He's a lies.

41:10

I still think you're right, she probably did it, but this Randall guy's starting to look.

I'm going to hold out.

Yeah, I would hold out.

Yeah, that's what I'm going.

To do that's a.

That's a good bet to make, I would say.

She's still in it.

For my money, I'm putting it on her still.

And I got mine on Weepy guy, crying guy.

41:26

So as you can imagine, phone records come and the police go, OK, we need to get this Randall Richmond guy.

Yeah, I have.

No.

Idea who this pro?

Is nothing, No.

So on August 2nd, 2006, Randall Richmond was brought into the Palm Bay Police Station, where he was questioned about the phone call and the inconsistencies in his story.

41:48

Hey, you told us you didn't talk to her for weeks, but yeah.

And here we are.

What is he, a Fire Chief?

No, he's a captain.

He's a captain at Palm Bay Fire Department.

Got it.

So Randall would tell police.

He would not do well in jail.

I could just tell you.

That no, this is not going to be.

That's he's.

Not going to be the leader of the pack.

42:04

Great bait.

Yes, I think.

Yes, I think that's the term.

So he tells police, hey, look, I did talk to Brandy.

I lied about that, but she told me not to say anything.

He says, look, she'd called me and told me, hey, I'm leaving town and I'm not coming back, so don't say shit about this and forget that you know me, don't ever fucking call me again.

42:32

So he says he's like, well shit, OK, I guess I won't say anything and won't ever call you again.

So yeah, bye.

So she told him, Right now I'm waiting at the Sunco gas station.

Someone's going to bring me some money and I'm out of here.

Don't ever call me again.

42:47

That's what he tells police.

And.

Yeah, that checks out.

I'm not going to ask any other questions.

No, no, no.

What else do you need to hear?

No.

No, that's it.

That's a That's a wrap.

OK, well, I'll never see you again.

See ya.

Someone's just going to bring you some random money anyway.

Great work, Johnson.

43:04

Case closed.

So the story as we laughing joke was just as funny to police and family.

They're like are you kidding me?

First of all, Brandy was a devout mother daughter and would never have left her family or her children behind.

43:19

So family and police all together were like, that's bullshit.

So police were unable to find any video footage of Brandy at this gas station that the Fire Chief said she was at.

They did get a cell phone ping that could place her in a roughly 3 mile radius of that gas station though, which is merely interesting because as you'll find out here shortly, she was at another place close to that.

43:46

So around this time, forensics gets back all of the fine detail reports about the truck and it comes back that Brandy's blood was found on the driver side door, one of the seats, and on the driver side floorboard.

44:03

And so the police are able to go, OK, yes, it was in the water, but for there to be still this much blood even after it's been soaking in the water, this is obviously most likely we're working with a homicide now.

And that is indeed Brandy's blood.

44:20

That is an important point in the case because they're able to start looking at it a little bit different now that they have blood, not a body, but blood.

So, and this is just a kind of a note for you guys, but Brandy, as you can imagine, right redneck, she carried a handgun that hadn't and has not been located to this day.

44:40

The family says that if you knew Brandy, you knew that no one other than someone that she knew personally and trusted could have got close enough to hurt her.

She was a tomboy.

She carried a gun for a reason.

She wasn't extremely trusting necessarily of people she didn't love.

44:58

And they highly doubt that anyone could have hurt her without having some kind of an in.

Yeah, got it.

GP standing up.

You're not going to.

Fuck with a lady like that, no.

Stay golden pony boy.

That's right.

So the idea also got floated at this time, which you have to at least look at that Brandy may have got killed by someone involved in that whole marijuana.

45:20

Operation.

There you go.

So leftover, yes, loose, loose ends, yeah.

You just cost us however many millions on this bus.

We think you might narc on us.

And and so they start killing people, which that's a strong possibility.

Yeah, possibility, right, For sure.

45:37

What about this weepy crying dude?

Well, we'll get to him, OK?

Because Jeff was trying to appeal his conviction.

His attorneys told him, hey, listen, man, you cannot talk about Brandy right now or any of the circumstances until you're done with this thing.

45:53

Yeah.

And so which I get, but from his perspective, it made him look like shit.

When you go.

I'm not talking.

So people in the public, they start forming their opinions and he starts becoming guilty, you know?

46:10

Yeah, because the public, that's what they see from a person that won't talk.

Which is very a very real thing.

Yeah.

You look, I mean.

Oh, absolutely.

I was just watching the Laci Peterson deal and I don't know.

46:25

I don't know he did it.

But what I'm saying is.

Oh.

The optics were bad, but it also turns out it he did it, So what?

Are you going to do so?

46:41

It was confirmed that Jeff's initial silence was indeed because of his lawyers advice, and once that part of his case was over, he was completely cooperative.

From that time on.

He took a lie detector test, passed it, they were actually able to remove him as a suspect or person of interest.

47:03

So Yep.

So June 28th, 2007, Brandy's backpack was found floating in a canal some 30 miles South of where her truck was found.

It contained her day planner, her wallet, a few other personal items, but of note did not contain the handgun.

47:22

And another interesting part, it had a piece of metal that was for heavy machinery, very specific.

Randall Richmond, the crying guy, he worked and moonlighted doing heavy machinery work.

And this big hunk of metal was put in the bag, obviously to weigh it down so that in hopes it wouldn't be found.

47:45

But the piece didn't have per SE A.

Serial number, serial number or anything falling?

In definitely yes absolutely Jeff like we talked about gets officially cleared and the investigation now kicks into high gear with Randall Richmond and the police are like OK we.

48:04

Can hey what did I say from the start?

This is true.

This is true.

So I.

Don't know how you do it sometimes.

So, Jeff, I know the.

That's amazing.

The big old noggin just weighs you down.

I'm still not sure it's not her, but yeah.

So Jeff ends up talking to police now that he's cleared, and he says, hey, listen, I'm pretty sure that Randall and Brandy have been having an affair and.

48:28

Who's saying this to?

Him.

This is the husband, Jeff.

And.

He says there's other documentation you can get where he says people would tell me things and I'd hear things, but I always kept writing it off.

I didn't want to believe that it could be true.

And so he kind of knew, didn't want to really know.

48:47

And so he left it alone.

But once all of this stuff started happening, he tells police, hey, these two have been having an affair.

So cell phone records would really confirm this as far as police are concerned, because Brandy and Randall averaged 50 to 70 text messages per day for years.

49:07

Wow, it's a lot to say to.

Somebody.

I think that's the time when you had to pay to text.

So even they were super important.

It was very.

Important, very important.

So like I told you guys before she calls him he says that night and says I'm leaving don't ever call me again.

49:24

Well he never texts her again after that night she disappeared.

So it goes from 50 to 70 texts a day.

It's done. 0 doesn't even attempt to call her a text her after that.

Well, yeah, when you're meeting up with the random person to give you money to leave town, you.

Just.

Write her off.

49:39

That's it.

You just give up.

So again, just the investigation into Jeff or, and I'm sorry, into Randall Richmond.

So Jeff would also tell police, hey, the day of the trial I got 2 calls from Randall, one of them saying he's not going to be there.

And just before that he had called and asked if he could borrow a piece of heavy equipment that we keep on our yard.

50:02

It was a excavator that he had went in with Brandy on to purchase.

And he calls the day of the sentencing and says, hey, man, I know no one's at the house but me.

50:18

And Brandy had agreed upon me taking this excavator to get work done on it.

So can I please go pick it up?

And he's like, OK, you know, it doesn't seem like something you should be worried about right now, but whatever.

Get the activator.

It's.

Obvious.

So he's doing some seriously ridiculous things right now.

50:40

It would also come to light that a police officer at the end of her shift had spotted a Palm Bay captain's truck parked by a lifted pickup truck in the parking lot of a gas station.

Two people were in the cab of the lifted truck, the female in the driver's seat, the male in the passenger seat.

51:01

No one was in the Palm Bay, Captain.

Where the blood was.

This was shortly after midnight.

The officer reported the finding and so this is in a like a darkly lit gas station parking lot.

And she thought it was weird because why is a fire captain out here at midnight parked not in his vehicle?

51:23

It just the whole thing seemed goofy, so she reported it and there's obviously documentation.

Say something, Say something.

That's right.

That's right.

Stay above the grass.

So here's the other kicker.

Randall was actually on shift the night of her disappearance, but he slept in a private bedroom that did have access to the parking lot from his room.

51:49

Oh boy.

And there were two captain's trucks that were parked Outback that he had keys to and access to.

Although he technically has an alibi, most certainly he could have got out of the house and rob Station 2 in the old days.

52:05

I've heard stories about those back.

Those back little windows and stations.

They're faults.

They're all clearly lies, all faults.

But let's say this.

We know firefighters and their ability to make things happen, and it would not shock me one bit if he was able to sneak in and out of that room and not even be noticed.

52:31

So I don't believe it.

Again, we've heard all the stories.

So Brandy's best friend would also tell police that Brandy and Randall had a secret meeting spot that of course was located right near the pond where her truck was found.

52:47

And this is where they would meet up to talk about shit.

Life.

To fuck you know all of the above.

Get your.

Get your pork on, dude.

Yeah, and that's exactly what it was.

You see pictures of that guy?

Yeah, he's a big in.

He's he.

Don't miss meals, I can tell you.

53:02

No, wait.

Wait, that's her husband, I thought.

That's her husband.

Oh, OK.

Brett Favre.

Oh, Randall Richmond's him.

But he's also not a gem.

He's what?

He's not a gem either.

No, no, but he's like the other guy.

Look at the.

Other yeah, he ain't quite as bad I guess as as her.

Husband.

Who's the character of the Chris Foley Down by the River guy?

53:19

Oh yeah.

Yeah, that he does look like Chris Barley.

Yeah, OK.

So.

They arrest him.

So no, not yet.

So they did bring him in for questioning.

He denies having a sexual relationship with Brandy at that time.

He says we were in an emotional relationship or an entanglement, as some would say.

53:42

You know what I'm talking about.

Nope.

Nope.

Quantum.

Nah, you guys missed it.

I did.

It's Will Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett.

That's what she said.

She was in an entanglement.

Yeah.

I don't.

I don't get TMZ anymore.

That's.

Your face.

All right, well, we'll move past that there.

53:59

You guys are simpletons, so.

Uneducated.

It would also be revealed that several months prior to Brandy's disappearance, Brandy and Randall's wife Anne Marie got into a verbal altercation at a community event.

54:15

It was something funny called like the something of the sea or some small town.

It would it's, it's, it wasn't chicken of the sea, but something that absolutely summed up a small town community event.

You got these two wives out there yelling, screaming at each other.

54:31

The one saying you stay away from my husband.

God darn it.

It's.

Like being in a parking lot of a fire station.

All the people around, you're probably thinking, have you seen your husband?

Don't worry, you're all right.

You're safe.

Yeah, he's he's Anaconda safe.

54:47

That's right.

He is most certainly safe.

Yeah.

So kidnap proof.

So they're out there fighting, right?

And.

And these are all things that keep popping up and painting a picture.

OK.

Several people, those several people being Jeff and Brandy's best friend, also claim they had seen threatening text from Anne Marie to Brandy saying, hey, if you don't stay away from him, I'm going to hurt you.

55:15

Yeah, whatever.

OK, Yeah.

Brandy said bring it on.

It's.

Another suspect.

Puto.

Yeah, you see those pictures of Brandy?

She she was pretty beefed up in her day.

She could take a punch.

No, I wouldn't want to run into her in a dark alley, I'll tell you that.

So Anne Marie was a nurse.

55:31

Remember, this is this is Randall Richmond's wife.

She's a nurse.

Her shift got over at 11:00 PM the night of Brandy's disappearance.

So Crying Boy was crying because his fucking wife fucking killed Brandy and now he doesn't know what to do.

55:50

That's some.

That is most certainly a theory that people believe to be oh.

So this hasn't been solved?

No, thank you, motherfucker.

I was waiting for the goddamn finish.

Line Oh, that's why we're here.

We're going to solve this.

Shit, we're now OK, I just did.

I just did.

Brandy.

56:05

Yeah, Brandy killed her.

That was actually a theory, a suicide, yes, that was truly a theory that was looked into that the potential of some type of a suicide, but obviously ruled out.

With the blood.

So if you think though about it, the timing does match up perfect, where it just so happens that she gets off at 11.

56:25

They're meeting in the parking lot at midnight.

The timing matches up where she most certainly could have met up with him and did whatever they did.

This scenario is not all that far fetched for me.

Like, I keep comparing our experiences to what's going on here and thinking of the concept of like, a Fire Chief married to a firefighter who's having sex with a captain.

56:50

And you go, OK, well, yeah.

Even in our own little world, that's not far fetched.

And to be quite honest, if their fire department is anything close to like what fire departments in the Valley are, then it's happening.

And everyone else around them doesn't think anything of it because they're like a, well, bunch of dumb ass firefighters being dumb ass firefighters.

57:13

I mean, if you think about it, think about all the stories that have been told around kitchen tables about stuff like this, and you just laugh and go on your way, you don't think anything of it.

Dude, no, but we all say the same thing.

That is a recipe for disaster. 100%.

We have all had that dude who hired, who's got a, whose wife's got a girlfriend or you know, there's. 100 percent, 100% you.

57:38

Know what I mean?

Just some some some sort of like even if it's platonic at some point it it, it's not sustainable.

No, and it's never sustainable.

And it always ends the same way, right?

Yeah, in in disaster for sure.

This.

One happened in in murder.

I do keep comparing it and and trying to think if this is really all that crazy or not.

57:59

And I, I don't think it is as unfortunate as that sounds I go, I guess I could see it.

So Anne Marie, I told you she's a nurse.

She gets off at 11.

That looks come like complete shit.

Well Randall and Anne Marie at some point both retain lawyers and stop talking to police all together.

58:19

I don't know what year, but they are divorced as of now and I think they've been divorced for a while.

That's a scary one.

Murder would.

Do that.

Jeff and the kids moved to a different part of Florida and actually are all things considered are doing really well.

58:37

Well, as can be expected, the kids are doing good and so on and so forth.

But Brandy's case still goes unsolved.

And although it sucks because the common person, I think it doesn't take a genius to look at this and go clearly this guy Randall did it and probably the her.

58:57

Autopsy was ruled the homicide.

Oh yeah?

Well, no, they didn't find her body.

That's right.

Sorry.

Yeah, well, no, it was ruled the homicide based on the blood in the truck.

Yes, they did rule that her they they officially ruled her as deceased and by homicide, yes, but they don't have a body so.

59:15

Gators, dude, the Gators.

Gators got you.

Yeah, that's Florida baby.

Yeah, so.

You.

So it is crazy, though, you know, the only thing I could compare it to is Kyle Brayer and what that's like to have someone murdered.

59:36

You know that, You know, the only difference is this person they know damn well was murdered by someone within their own industry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And.

You think you know someone you know. 100.

Percent like what's the what's your, what's your brothers and sisters?

59:53

Well, it's it's one of the two, husband and wife that are divorced now.

It's either one.

Is she?

Either or both.

No, I mean, do you really know that?

I don't think it was.

No, we don't know that.

But what?

Who else was it?

It had.

It was.

Yeah, it was Randall, and most certainly and his wife I'm sure had a piece of it somehow.

1:00:10

Or she did it.

Or she did it and he's.

Covering up for us.

But the fact that he was with her at at midnight leads me to believe it was him and so.

So did this ever go to trial?

That's what I was going to ask.

Did they ever get enough evidence to change him efficiently?

1:00:26

He never even went to trial.

They didn't even try.

No, because they're worried that if more evidence does come up, because right now it's circumstantial.

So if we try him and go and go through the whole process and we lose, it's done.

Yeah, we can find there's more evidence in the future.

Yeah.

And and we can't charge them.

1:00:42

You know, that's the hopes is that they're, they have had some excavation.

So from then until now, I want to say the last one was in around 2019.

They had an excavation on Brandy and Jeff's property and they got hits from a cadaver dog.

1:01:01

They actually had like a ground penetrating device that showed some disturbance to the soil.

And so they thought, hey, this is super promising.

They dug and found nothing.

And that's what's happened so far every time.

1:01:16

And I want to say there's been two or three different excavations that have revealed nothing.

So but I do think again, you know, back to our little worlds, the the pain of those people around knowing that, you know, one of their Co workers and someone they cared about was murdered.

1:01:32

And the person that did it does what we do.

And at that time was still on the job, you know, still come into shift every day.

Yeah, it's crazy.

And.

How to handle that?

Yeah, that is absolutely crazy to me to.

I don't know how you handle that to be quite honest.

With you, are they still actively pursuing this case or just gone?

1:01:49

Cold no.

It's considered still.

It's considered still an open case.

That's why they haven't officially charged anyone, correct?

Got it correct but.

Still do the 2006 man.

It's still 18 years ago.

Yeah, it's been.

Math.

I know.

Thank you.

Very much.

You're getting better.

Yeah.

1:02:05

Drink a little bit.

Yeah.

You're welcome, kid.

Yeah, there's.

A twitch there for a.

Second, I do it so you don't have to.

I saw a beat of sweat roll down your face.

That's.

Not my spell.

Like my personal I, it's a tear.

So fellas, great episode.

1:02:20

Yeah, all kinds of like turns.

I thought for sure Brandy did it.

Up until the end.

Right, right up until the end, right.

Up until the end.

Son of a bitch.

Started it all off when she was 11.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was the head injury they got.

TBI and undiagnosed TBI.

1:02:37

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We enjoyed this one immensely.

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1:02:57

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1:03:14

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