Alison Botha

This week, the blockheads share an extraordinary tale of resilience, strength, and just plain badassery. Alison Botha was abducted, viciously attacked, and left for dead. Instead of succumbing to her wounds and trauma, she chose to fight—not only for her own life, but for the lives possibly affected in the future by her perpetrators.

Sources:
•Wikipedia

•Alison, Journeyman Pictures (Movie)

•Do You Think She’s Dead?: Inside the Incredible Survival Story of Alison Botha, ATI; Danielle Tinning

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Transcript

0:00

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All right, fuckers, let's get going.

Welcome to 72 House.

Welcome.

Hey, we're here.

I'm Víctor García to my left.

Crazy.

Rob Andrews, right.

0:34

Fancy Lance Carlson.

Hey, howdy.

I'm telling.

I'm just warning you guys now.

I'm in reform today.

I don't know why.

I was going to say you, you look very rare.

Yeah, rare.

All right, Medium.

All right fellas, pull the chair up.

Turn me over, OK?

It's time for dinner at the Deuce.

Chow's on beat up.

0:49

Chow's on.

All right, so September's been telling me for quite some time, hey, you need to look at this one.

You need to look at this one.

And I looked, I've looked and thought, wow, that's interesting.

But at the same time, you know, you guys are sending me stuff and we end up doing the episodes that we do.

But I finally got to this one and was able to watch a documentary called Allison, and it was amazing.

1:13

Yeah, amazing.

To the point that I was, I got to writing this thing and three hours blew by like 5 minutes because it was all so fresh in my mind and I was thinking about it so much.

Allison Botha Allison Botha Botha Botha Tomato Tomato.

1:30

So.

She's guilty, by the way.

Guilty.

Yeah.

Is she the murderer?

No.

So here's the deal with this one.

I'll be the judgment.

The only thing that scared me is yeah, I don't know how much humor we're going to be able to make out of this because she.

This is like a true inspirational deal like.

1:45

OK, I feel.

I feel like you're playing with my emotions.

I know I'm.

I'm telling you, when I finished watching that documentary, you're.

Setting us up for failure.

Yeah, we're going to make jokes.

No.

Well, we'll see.

I, I, I.

That's what we do.

That's why we're here.

I don't have any other talents.

I.

Finished watching You're dead and was mentally exhausted.

2:03

OK, so so Allison Botha.

Wait, you wrote it and you were mentally exhausted?

After I wrote it.

Wow.

Yeah.

So why don't?

You just copy the documentary.

I know.

Seriously, are we sure you want to do this for?

You all right, you sacks of shit?

Let's start.

Am I the only one?

You are the only one.

2:19

No, I might be with Lance on this one.

So, Allison Botha, don't do math.

She was 27 years old when she was abducted and left for dead in 1994.

OK, so wait, she was 27 in 1990?

Four, I knew you were going there.

That's why I already did the math in my head.

2:36

So, yeah.

She was born in 1968.

Oh.

So she's close somewhere in the neighborhood of yours, right?

Don't give away.

Am I the grandpa in the room?

You are Literally I am a grandpa.

You are.

I am four times over.

2:52

So 27 years old and make note to 1994, right?

Think about the technology that was around at that time.

I was working on the fire truck then.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

No shit.

Yeah.

It was crazy counting my pubes.

I guess I don't.

Know.

Yeah, not even.

I don't even think you had those to count yet.

3:08

No, I was drawn them in.

I was a senior in high school.

Jesus.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

So 27 years old.

This is in 1994.

She's abducted and left for dead.

This is in South Africa.

Oh, I think I might know this story.

3:24

Well, we'll see.

So just a little bit about Allison there.

There wasn't a whole lot about her whole childhood, but I don't know that that's necessarily important in this episode.

Rob can't make a finalized an an opinion without knowing their child that he always wanted.

This Hey, you know what, Lance?

3:41

How?

Are.

You going to let you?

You are the most guarded.

Something happened to you in your fucking childhood.

That's.

Why you're so resistant?

You want you want me to talk?

You, you'll never know.

There's something that happened.

Yeah.

I think you're a little private bum.

Might feel like a torn pocket.

3:56

I don't know.

I got the honeymoon stitch, pal.

I think you do, yeah.

Something happened to you?

So moving on.

So she describes herself as a normal child, had a great family upbringing, she loved her mother to death as well as her father, but they were divorced and so she ended up spending most of her time with her mother.

4:16

Typical.

She was raised and lived in South Africa at the time of her abduction.

Really.

Yeah, he just.

Said that I know.

No, I know.

But you never wonder why there's not a North Africa.

I don't know.

I haven't.

Actually, things that keep me up at night anyways.

Back to the Story Back to the story December 18th, 1994 Allison had spent the day at the beach with friends.

4:39

On the documentary she kind of described that day and said it was like absolutely amazing day.

She was with her friends the IT was perfect weather.

She said that by the time their time was done at the beach she was like in heaven.

It was perfect.

OK, is it safe to say she is South African or did she come?

4:56

From No she's South Africa so Allison and her friends finish at the beach they go back to her house order pizza laugh, play games just hang out the evening comes to an end This is sometime around late 2:00 in the morning to three in the morning that they finish up with everything going on at the house and she's got a friend that says hey can you Take Me Home and so she's a.

5:22

Man friend or a woman friend?

It's a female.

Female friend, yeah.

So she says, yeah, absolutely.

So they jump in the car.

Allison takes her friend home.

She also had some laundry, apparently that she didn't have a a washer and dryer.

So she did laundry at that same friend's house.

5:39

So she picked up some laundry and headed back home.

Yeah.

She's a moocher, yeah.

Jeez.

I hope she paid for.

This she's doing laundry after a whole day at the beach partying that she's decides to do laundry like 2 in the morning.

Different than us, man.

We don't do laundry.

For six months, that's the kind of girl you marry.

5:55

That's right.

So out.

Of.

My house Allison gets back to her house.

She had been in the parking spot that was closest to her house, but someone took that spot so she had to park a little bit further down.

And like I said, this is like it's like 3 in the morning at this point.

6:13

Cute scary movie music?

Yes, exactly.

So this is where shit gets crazy.

She says she can remember every sound, every feeling, every smell like it was yesterday.

She felt a knife at her throat and heard a male, male voice say Get over or I'll kill you.

6:33

Really.

She said she thought about Jump.

Not the way she thought the night was going to end.

No, absolutely not.

Wow.

She said she thought about jumping out but didn't want to believe the worst, is how she described it.

Am I the only one?

This might sound bad and I apologize if I offend anybody.

6:51

Here we go.

Go on late.

On But when you think of like Africa, don't you think like huts and like lions and elephants?

Not South Africa, I don't know.

Really.

I just don't know, I guess.

So this is like in a city.

Yeah, like a normal half.

7:07

I don't know.

I just haven't spent a lot of time studying about South Africa.

Yeah, absolutely.

Back to the.

Store.

So what she said is I chose not to believe the worst and to believe the best.

There's a fucking knife to her throat.

This guy also said that he didn't want to hurt her, he wanted to use her car for about an hour.

7:24

Yeah, that's how you ask her.

That's a weird way, right?

To ask to.

Buy somebody's car.

The whole plan, right, was to just disarm her and make her feel like, OK, they're not going to hurt me.

So she didn't feel the need to jump out.

You know, she's like, OK.

Intimidation.

Give me your keys.

7:39

He bails for an hour, goes and kills somebody, comes back and so he.

Got her as she was exiting the car, right?

No, he well, yes, she was about to, but before she could get out, he came and put a knife to her throat.

Oh shit, what a butthole.

He tells her, you know, and again, this is disarming her, right?

7:55

He tells her, hey, I'm not going to hurt you, I just need your car.

My name is Clinton.

He asked her.

Like, well, I said Clinton.

Clinton.

Wow.

Yeah, Clinton and asterisks, we'll get to that.

8:11

And he asked her, Hey, do you have a boyfriend who's kind of small talking with her?

You.

Know.

Wait, he's small, talking to her with a knife in her throat.

Well, at this point he doesn't have the knife to her throat.

Oh Gabe.

So she totally trust him.

They're driving.

Oh, they're driving.

Oh wait, he's making her drive.

Yes.

Oh yes, I skipped over that part.

8:28

OK me too.

Wow, that sucks.

OK, so Clinton eventually pulled the car over.

She didn't know where at the time, but it was a nightclub and he goes there to pick up a buddy of his.

So all she says is basically they stopped the car.

8:45

He picks up a second male, and this is again where things kind of took a turn for her.

She said that she made eye contact with this guy through the rear view mirror and she said this is where she really, really got worried.

She was obviously scared before, but she knew at this point this is not going to end good.

9:05

She said she saw dead, cold evil in his eyes, the second male.

It's not very.

Nice.

Oh, the second.

The second male that.

Got picked up from the nightclub.

And So what, Robbie?

What would you do?

You're driving and you got two big dudes in the back who want to do harm.

9:22

I'd make sure I had my seal pulled on, they probably didn't, and I'd fucking take the carb about That's exactly just fucking slam on the brakes or try to like side swipe it into a wall.

If I'm going to get fucking killed anyways, I'm going to fucking take.

Him out go while swinging.

Yeah, fucking go down swinging, yeah.

Yeah, and.

9:37

Remember the movie Vanilla Sky with Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz right off the bridge?

Yep, Yep.

Here's the thing though, you know, obviously it's easy to Monday morning quarterback it, but.

On a Thursday night.

Exactly.

Yeah, So, but obviously those are very difficult decisions that she had to make.

9:55

And she's a she's a female with two.

Yeah, yeah.

I didn't want to be there.

But she's, she's just think different than we do.

Yeah, and if you see these two, the you'll find out.

But these two are hardened criminals and they look the part.

Yeah, so I guarantee you she was scared.

10:11

So she says, hey, this guy was evil.

I could see it in his eyes.

So they drive her to a remote area, obviously in South Africa, and take her out of the car.

No shit, one of the males.

See, now when you again tell me remote South Africa, I'm thinking like hyenas.

10:27

No, not like Lion King.

Think city bro.

I think, yeah, it's more or more urban, OK.

Yeah, we're urban.

Got to do a little more research.

So look at.

That picture geography was not my strong suit.

Not long with bedded.

So they pull subject, they pull her out of the car, and one of the males forces her to have oral sex with him and then did the same to her.

10:50

Wait, he.

He.

Went down.

Correct.

So this guy is saying shit to her Like does your boyfriend do this to you?

Do you like it?

You've got the nicest tasting ass like.

I'm kind of confused by his tactics.

He's well.

As things click on, the anger will start to build.

11:08

And that's where I tell you the jokes get hard to make.

So next this guy rapes her.

While he rapes her she heard the other male call his name and and the other male called him Franz.

So she made a mental note.

OK.

Hans and Franz.

11:24

It was the brother.

Oh, Franz, I did not know that.

OK.

Hans was at the gym, Hans at the gym.

So.

So you got Clinton and Franz.

No, Clinton is Franz.

Oh, Franz Clinton, it was so obvious.

Clinton is Franz.

Well, is Franz's middle name.

11:40

Franz is a man.

No.

OK.

And so she makes a mental note.

OK Clinton is Franz.

Also, during that same interaction, she heard Franz call the other man's name, and his name was 10s, tens, 10s.

11:56

It's spelled THEUNS, but it's pronounced 10s and Franz. 10s and Franz.

Are you German?

I don't know, I don't know.

German, but they're in South Africa.

Yeah, who would have thought?

Who would have thought?

So when Franz finished raping her 10s, then got on top of her and started to choke her, she says that the last thing she remembers is losing her bowels.

12:19

And then what she now knows is that she was stabbed 37 times.

Oh God.

Jesus after that in her abdomen and pubic area.

That much anger, it tells me that there was something happened in that kids childhood.

You.

12:37

Stop.

That right stop fucking true.

This guy doesn't even deserve the conversation he does.

I'm I'm called.

Actually.

So I'm not disagreeing with you.

But something happened. 10s.

She slid off the cracker.

Then cuts her throat.

Franz pushed him out of the way and slashed her throat 17 times.

12:57

Yeah, and you said that she recalled this.

No, she only recalled losing her bowels.

This is what she found out.

As far as the number of times after.

And that's not even the half of it too.

It's gonna It gets crazier.

Just so the audience knows, they have pictures of her up on the screen and she's a beautiful woman, looks like she's got everything going for her, so it's just tragic.

13:18

She had said matter.

She talked about her life and said, hey, I was, you know, pretty normal 27 year old.

I hadn't really picked a career yet, but I was working and just enjoying life.

And this isn't like a crime of passion because they knew her, you know, the kind of things just totally, completely random.

13:33

Fuck, this is what every woman fears.

This is this is literally the story that sticks in, you know, and I get it.

There's no way that the three of us are ever going to comprehend.

But it would be like pulling into a parking lot at 3:00 in the morning.

All of us would get out.

13:49

Like, hey, fuck, I'm going inside.

You know what I mean?

Truly, I'm being serious.

Yeah, which leads me to believe that it's.

To this that we don't, we we can't.

Appreciate well for sure.

Do you agree with that without?

Well, yeah, no, but what I was going to say is that it, which leads me to believe that it's probably more drug induced.

14:05

Do you know what I mean?

Because you don't get.

Well, I'm and and and it's not.

It's not.

No, seriously, these guys.

Are just.

I can't figure these nerds out.

Yeah, dude, I hope they catch these motherfuckers.

So the next thing Allison remembers is seeing her, seeing these two guys, feet getting further away from her, and then their voices fading, She watches them drive away and throw her clothes out the window of the car, she said.

14:29

She's laying on the ground.

She's just got raped.

She's laying on the ground.

Naked, she's bleeding.

Choked.

She is back then.

She's disemboweled and we'll get to the neck, but her neck muscle had been cut to where when she stands up later.

Here's here's here's well, hold on when she let me make this come.

14:47

This is important for me to to say, unlike other podcasts, we all have this unique perspective because not one of us, out of the three of us have not seen that in real life.

And seen.

Yeah, seen it, smelled it, you know, you know what I mean?

15:03

We've all been on those calls.

We've seen those calls.

We've seen people with bodies disembowed.

We've seen people with their necks.

Last I have I've.

Seen all of it.

Yeah, I'm sure you guys have too, you know, And it's just, it's kind of creating a visual for me that's kind of fucking uncomfortable.

Well, most people have not seen like human tissue or muscle beyond the skin.

15:21

Not like that.

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's a poor thing.

Wow.

It is.

It is, and I mean, we'll obviously talk more about this, but the amount of torture that she took is just unreal.

So she says as she kind of started coming to, she could not feel any pain, but the sound of her breathing fucked her up.

15:41

She said that her windpipe had been severed, so she had this really raspy rat like she could hear the the breathing happening.

Wow.

Yeah.

And it was she said that was horrifying for her.

She this is a part where I.

15:57

So Rob, I know you're going to want to dive into this one and take us down the rabbit hole, but we'll just talk briefly about it.

So at this point she says she has an out of body experience.

She says she can see herself and feel herself leaving her body and looking down at herself.

16:16

She can see herself laying on the ground, curled up naked and.

Like the movies literally not like Hollywood stuff.

Literally like the movies.

No ghosts but real.

You've seen the movie Ghosts.

That's exactly what's happening.

So she says that she gets to a certain point, and she knows in her mind that she can go.

16:35

She's not far enough though, where she can also stay if she wants to, and she says.

Basically in between 2 worlds is how she describes.

Is how she describes it.

And she says that there, she said that she in her heart knew she wanted to to stay.

16:50

She wanted to live.

She wanted to live.

That's tenacious, the human.

That's crazy.

Like Will to live is an amazing, amazing thing.

Wow.

So this happens and then the next thing she knows she's back in her body and she starts thinking a little clearer right now.

17:07

So she decides in her head, OK one I want to live 2.

I want to make sure these sacks of shit never do this to anyone else again.

And so she's laying in the dirt in like soft dirt.

She writes their names in the dirt with her finger.

17:24

Oh, smart.

That's a smart girl right there.

Her thoughts are, you know, obviously, hey, if I die, they're going to know the names of these people.

She also then etches in the sand.

I love mom.

Wow.

So I I assume that she there's nothing wrong with her legs, but she was disemboweled with her head almost completely severed, right?

17:47

So she couldn't miss.

I assume that she's on the ground right in the shit.

She still has the the wherewithal.

How did she not lose that much blood to like I'm?

Sure, she, I'm sure she did, but but we will get to that.

We'll talk more about that.

I'll just be over here just.

Perfect if you just stay there and hang tight.

18:03

If you guys would do research you would know a lot more about these.

I I was informed about this person about 18 minutes ago.

Yeah, I'm.

Sorry.

All right.

Thank you.

So doing what again?

So she writes these things.

All of a sudden she realizes I can feel something wet on my body.

18:21

And that's where she looks down and sees that her intestines are outside of her body.

She looks to the side of her and sees her flannel shirt that she had.

And she takes the shirt and uses it with one hand to hold her bowels inside of her.

Wow.

Yeah.

18:37

So somehow you talked about her legs, Lance.

She gets up on her feet.

She knows she's been slashed in the throat, so she grabs it to, in her mind, stop the bleeding to hold it in her.

As she says, her hand goes straight into the wound.

Oh God, and that's.

18:54

Incredible.

This is where she also realizes that they cut the the neck muscles on on her and so she couldn't hold her head up so.

It's kind of like flopping down.

Her head had, she said, flop to where it was just kind of set, resting behind her shoulder blades.

19:10

And so she had to take her other hand and literally hold her head so that she could see straight, otherwise her head would just fall back.

I just don't see how that's possible without losing so much blood.

This is where she has another out of body experience.

She starts walking and she says the best way she can describe it is someone else is moving her leg.

19:29

She doesn't feel like she's moving them.

She's in fucking survival mode.

Full in full.

She engaged survival mode.

Yeah, without a doubt.

And and she says the next thing she knows, she's on the road.

She had made it from the dirt to the road.

19:46

She has no idea she got herself there.

Yeah, she.

Knows where she's at.

She she right, she said.

Survival mode, dude.

She is 100% and so she makes it to the road and collapses.

She falls to the ground and remember shortly after that seeing a car pull up.

20:04

This is crazy to me too.

A car pulls up, stops.

This is what, 4 in the morning now?

Not quite.

Yeah, yeah, three.

No, I mean.

Three and four cuz yeah.

So we'll talk about timeline, but it's still, this hasn't taken a whole lot of time.

OK.

20:20

It just we're all business, huh?

Yeah.

Pretty much this.

Is not the first time these dudes did this.

Probably not.

It's not.

And OK, so the car pulls up, sees that there's a naked, bloody woman in the middle of the road.

They drive away not long after that.

20:37

They'll call.

Trust me.

They'll call 911.

Well.

It's 1990. 4 But we've all been on those calls for sure.

For sure, little cell phone heroes.

Yeah, but this is not the case there.

Not long after, luckily, another car pulls up.

20:53

There's a group of young men that, as they call it in South Africa that are on vacation and they find Allison naked lying in the road.

One of them, the main one that took care of her, is a.

This wasn't the song Allison Rd.

No, OK.

21:09

Maybe prove me your own?

Make it whatever you want.

Whatever you you've heard that song.

Yeah, it was on Dumb and Dumber, wasn't it?

No, yeah, no.

I don't think so.

It's the Gin Blossoms.

Yeah, whatever.

Right?

Good, good memory, dude.

It's definitely in because that was like legit.

21:25

Around the time back in like. 94 yeah, probably was.

The time of Dumb and Dumber, yeah.

Good movie and the best movies.

So the guy that gets out, 20 year old man, he starts attempting to treat her and he takes his shirt off and he puts it on her wounds.

Pick one.

They're pick one of the 400 slashings that she has.

21:42

Luckily, and this is 1994, mind you, one of those kids has a cell phone on them and they're able to call 911.

Huh.

Really.

Yeah.

And this was super new technology in 1994.

The Brick John McMahon was the first guy in the fire department that had a cell phone and he got it strictly to be able to get called for CM shifts.

22:03

What year was that?

Is fuck is it had to been like 96.

So it was a 90. 7.

Just passed the brick phone.

Yeah, well they had the brick phones in the the drug boxes back then.

I came on in 99 and we did not have cell phones on.

No one.

22:18

No one.

No, we had the block phones because we we had those when I got hired in 90.

Six, yeah, but we didn't have everyone didn't run around personal.

Cells no, no, no.

And the phones didn't have like, yeah, it was all those just old school flip.

There's a flip phone.

Everybody had beepers.

Beepers.

That's what people had back then.

Beepers JJ The King of the.

22:36

Beeper king.

The beeper king.

You're raising yourself, dude.

So.

The King.

One of the kids has a cell phone calls 911.

Now this is kind of A and granite, there's 2 looks at this, but this is where our profession comes into the play just a little bit and the impression is poor.

22:58

So the the 20 year old kid that's taken care of her says we call 911.

I wait 10 minutes, 20 minutes, thirty minutes, and he keeps going.

It took the ambulance 40 minutes to get there and the distance to the hospital is about 15 minutes.

23:17

As you can imagine, they're not super thrilled with the response of the paramedics.

Now why is that?

Is it due to distance?

You said that this was a rural area.

I don't they didn't get into no, they were 15.

The hospital was 15 minutes from where she was.

So I assume the ambulance was coming from the hospital?

23:35

Yes.

And it took him 45 minutes to get there. 40 That's not mapping.

They should have left sooner.

The math's not not driving for sure.

So the young man says that the paramedics, as they load her up and get her going, he goes to ride with them to the hospital.

23:52

And he says that at some point he told him like, hey, can't you speed up?

And he said that to him it felt like they had already written her off as dead and weren't.

Yeah, but the people always say that shit to us.

24:07

Well that's literally always say that shit.

To us, that's the other part that I said.

There's two parts to this.

One part is people's perception.

In those times, a minute feels like an hour for sure.

And so I don't know how much is perception versus how much is reality.

24:24

And this person that is giving this, we'll, we'll talk a little bit more about him, but he has an understanding of these things.

So we'll get to that.

So the entire, you talked about timeline, the entire conflict from the moment of her abduction up until that point to the hospital, right?

24:43

Hospital doors was 90 minutes.

Now, how much of that abduction 'cause she didn't get like stabbed at abduction, right?

She drove that dude to the club and then at some place.

They did not waste any fucking time dude.

They fucking drove her.

They this was completely premeditated.

24:58

Definitely not the first time they've done it right. 90 minutes. 90 minutes.

From the time.

That they came up to her car, to the.

Time she got to the.

Hospital to the time she got to the hospital, yeah.

Yeah, so she's probably laying bleeding and LED for dead, at least for an.

Hour, right?

Or just hellacious at this point.

25:14

And I've been on calls where a guy's gotten stabbed once and he's they're dead right there.

This is amazing.

So actually amazing is the word.

We'll we'll get a little bit more to that here shortly, but all of the things that I keep hearing you guys say about Lance going, that's not believable.

25:30

I I don't understand how you could have your neck sliced that much and be walking or be, you know, and you say amazing.

Well, here's the deal.

I mean just because you get sliced in it obviously didn't hit her juggler because she would have been dead.

Correct, but after 17 times.

25:46

Dude, how do you?

Not have chances, you don't.

Your head, I don't know.

Do we have pictures of the wounds?

We don't have the graph pictures of the pictures, there's only pictures.

Because it could have been.

Seat sutured.

Did you see what kind of knife it was?

It was a small, like a Hunter's knife.

Wow.

Oh, like.

A little 3 inch or something.

26:02

I'm thinking it's like a big old like.

No, I'd say about four to six inch knife.

That's a good size.

Yeah.

That's an average size, I would say.

Yeah.

So the knife, right?

Yeah, OK.

Yeah.

So this is right guys.

Right guys, right guys.

Are you with me?

So this is the next part that I was telling you about that that guy that was riding with her to the hospital.

26:21

So this 20 year old man in that moment said he knew what he would do with the rest of his life.

He'd become a doctor.

Huh.

And he did indeed become a doctor.

Really correct.

Well, good for him.

Ten years later, became a doctor.

OK, All right, So the trauma surgeon that did the initial work on Allison, and this was a seasoned trauma surgeon, said that the sheer amount of injuries that Allison had endured was nothing that he had ever seen before, not.

26:56

Sure, that shit doesn't happen all the time.

I'm not on one.

Person and the interesting part too.

Well, not interesting.

We this is a part we know very well.

But the doctors, the nurses, police.

Everybody.

Social workers, anyone that had anything to do with this case were fucked up.

27:17

Everyone they.

You know, I couldn't help but think of there was a call before I retired and there was a eight or nine month pregnant woman that was doing a Lyft driver.

Do you remember that call?

She was pregnant.

She was giving that kid a ride and they got to where they were going and he got out of the car and said he needed help with something.

27:38

She was driving and it was late at night and she gets out of the car and he stabs her like 20 or 30 times, kills her and the baby.

And I won't name names, but there are a couple people that were on that call that had to take some time off.

You know, understandably for sure.

You know, that's crazy.

27:54

That's those are the things that you see in this profession and what we do.

And those are the parts that, you know, that I don't really think that people appreciate.

They look at more of the the smug, arrogant, big buff fire guys thinking they're all that.

But you know, some of that arrogance that people see in firemen, It's fucking protection major to deal with some of that shit.

28:16

Does that make sense?

Or no, no, no.

I.

Mean no, it makes sense for sure.

Yeah.

Anyways, they were damaged, man.

And you could tell, you know, the interviews that they were doing were 30 years later, still shaking, and they were still shaking.

Out.

That's a career call.

28:31

They said that it it wasn't just the injuries, but the evil that they knew.

Existed.

That existed to create it.

Dude, I've again drawn on past experiences, man, There are some calls that you go on and the evil, the feeling is just palpable.

28:47

There's, it's just like there is a fucking true level of evil that exists.

In this, I've always, dude, I've, I've always said that, you know, some, it sounds bad no matter how you slice it, but I, I truly like some people just deserve to die.

They're just not good people.

And you know, and, and say what you want about, you know, the death penalty or what have you, but some people are just not, they're beyond helping.

29:09

Yeah.

And I think that you to digress back to me and Lance's ongoing debate, just if you hear me claiming that there is something happened to, that's not an excuse to me, but there is.

There's a pattern of behavior that somehow, someway I wish that we could figure out how to alter so these things didn't happen.

29:32

But in no way, shape or form, Lance, is that ever an excuse.

Even if these kids had this horrific things happening them as children, this is fucking unexcusable, inexcusable.

And they need to be lined up and fucking shot.

That's where I just assume that it's it's irrelevant at some point, right?

29:48

I mean, yeah, at some point you this.

Is that point?

Yeah, you.

Go.

You know what?

I don't care.

Catch me.

I don't know where you're at, but I want to know what happened.

Did they catch these mother?

Fuckers, we'll get there.

So, so the doctors, the I watched the doctors get interviewed and these are surgeons that are, they're not new.

30:05

They're seasoned and they've seen some shit.

A lot of trauma they that's what they do.

This is where they start talking about the parts that you guys have been touching on about the how unbelievable some of the injuries are without death and both of them say, hey, I was not by any stretch of the imagination religious prior to this and this changed my thoughts.

30:36

Understanding religion and a creator.

They said that for her trachea was cut clean through her neck muscles were completely severed and the cut went from ear to ear.

How she didn't get Jugular's cut is it's almost not understandable.

30:58

I wonder if she has some different anatomy, some anomaly or something that you know.

They said they just said.

That really just normal.

The doctors were.

They said that when they got in to start cleaning her bowels that the amount of dirt of there was charcoal.

31:17

This is an area where people that's her.

Intestines, right?

Whole, you know, that's a whole another side of being septic and surviving all those wounds and the inflammation.

Never was septic.

DIC, Disseminating instacellular coagulation.

I was, I was going to say that, huh.

That'll get cut.

31:33

Why would that get cut?

That means.

What smart that means I.

Think I know what it means.

I think you should know what it means.

You're a medic.

I think you blacked out.

For a second to start rambling.

O2 IV monitor transport patch.

There you go.

So.

O2 IV Monitor.

Transport Patch, the the fact that she didn't get septic, the fact that her jugulars weren't cut, they were literally in disbelief and they said they started to believe that this was truly a miracle.

32:02

The police obviously were called to begin the investigation.

The main investigator knew his name was Franz Detois.

Wait, another Franz in the in the picture?

This isn't the.

This is Franz too.

Is he Franz?

And there's wait, we have 10s in Franz.

32:19

Yeah, those, those, those are the rapers.

So obviously she had told him hey, their name.

Franz, a popular name in South Africa.

I don't know.

So she obviously had told them, hey, these guys.

Names.

Look at the picture of her young.

She's beautiful.

She was beautiful.

Wow, man, it's.

32:36

Crazy, that is, that is almost all the way through.

Like it goes almost all the way to the back of her neck.

Wow.

But that honestly, that doesn't look like 17 times though.

That looks like just one It's.

Cleaned up, right?

Fixed.

Yeah, you know, a little.

Lower gotcha.

That's how she got this in.

32:52

About, I thought you were saying 17 times across the neck.

So back to the story.

So the so the.

OK.

Now I'm glad we cleared that up.

Thank you guys.

The main investigator knew Franz and the way he knew him was from a prior rape as well as.

33:08

Wait, so the investigator knew?

What's familiar with the name?

Yeah.

He knew with the name.

He knew him, OK?

No, he knew the guy.

He knew the he knew, OK.

Yeah, and he knew 10s Kruger, who was 10s obviously, and he was a prior rapist as well.

They're both rapers.

33:23

They're both rapers.

Huh.

I'm I, I think it's.

It was probably them then.

You he.

Is sharp.

But I'm not going to be too quick to judge here, guys.

But I got a hunch.

33:39

I got a hunch.

So there had been two rapes prior to Allison's that this guy Franz did.

One of them had been threatened by both of those guys, Franz and 10s, and backed out of the investigation.

33:56

So there was one rape that he was technically tried for and I don't know what the punishment was because obviously he was out of prison.

The fuck?

So I don't know.

That part wasn't in depth, so I can't tell you anything about that.

34:15

When Franz was arrested, he assumed it was for that other rape that he did.

No way it could be her because she should be dead.

So it turns out she's not.

Spoiler alert.

And she's not.

So he doesn't know that Allison's lived.

The detective says, hey, you're being charged with attempted murder.

34:34

And he says, why you?

Fucking arrogant piece of shit.

The detective tells him, hey, Allison's alive.

What he said to the detective is, well, she's going to tell you everything, so there's not much more for me to say.

34:49

You fucking piece.

He.

Then takes off a ring on his hand and gives it to the detective and says here this is Allison's.

He just straight up folded like that, huh?

Dude I literally don't even know what to think.

Right, he did these things to her.

Took a ring.

35:06

Did he and he they had no prior contact.

He didn't know who she was.

Didn't know who she was just.

Totally random.

Totally random.

Hmm, Yep.

I don't even know what to think.

Well, not too random, right?

Because he's a piece of shit.

That's what he does.

Right, Yeah, I know random for.

Her it was random for.

Her right?

35:21

Is there a type what the other girls look like?

That I know.

Did they do any background to him?

Was he?

Psychologically.

Oh, I guess we don't know where he's actually from.

We just assume he's South African, right?

He is South African.

Yeah, that's so I.

Just have a picture in my mind that he's German like he's a tourist.

35:37

So.

You're judging him on the name.

Maybe I am.

What's it to you?

Just let me judge on my own accord, OK?

OK.

Lance, stay out of my judgement, but OK.

There is something about German names that just don't.

They always end in fart.

35:54

They just don't play out well.

But anyway.

That's another.

Talk.

That's a whole other podcast, right?

Yeah, there's one guy thinks going to be offended but.

Yeah, so he won't.

He rhymes with flamp.

So Allison was able to identify her assailants from pictures.

36:12

The fact that she.

Wow dude, that's impressive.

So.

So it gets keeps getting more.

I would have already forgot honestly.

So get this, this is crazy to me.

So I told you she identified them by pictures.

It at this time, and I think it still is today, in Australian law, the victim had to face the perpetrator, place a hand on their shoulder while a picture was taken to have complete identification.

36:40

Really.

Really.

But that's in Australia, we're in South Africa.

I'm sorry South African, for the life of me I can't imagine why the fuck you would have that be the case.

Yeah, it's mind blowing.

Especially when they have a a criminal past, you know what I mean?

It's it's pretty much safe to assume if it was like some random.

36:57

Well, they raped her.

There's gonna be DNA.

There's.

Yeah, it's a it's 1990.

They were.

Four DNA back then you.

Know that, but it wasn't like CSI.

I think at this point there is absolutely no question about who did it.

They're not denying.

37:13

It that's a dumbass.

Formality is what it is.

But yeah, exactly.

And so thankfully this detective, right?

OK.

So what you didn't mention what was the time frame from the time that she all this occurred and the time that they actually caught them?

Like was it a week?

37:28

Was it days?

How much?

Time would buy it no right away like.

It was right away.

Yeah, like, yeah, right away.

So they would have had blood on their hands, clothes.

No, no, no, not.

They cleaned up, you know what I mean?

It was like the next day or two days.

It was quick.

OK, So thankfully the detective that's running this thing says, hey, I'm not fucking doing that.

37:48

And it sounds so basic because I've been seeing this happen in movies since the 70s.

But they say this is the first time in Australian police history.

South African.

South African police history that they used a walking lineup to identify them from a one way A1 sided mirror that only obviously she could see.

38:13

Basically what you see in Hollywood.

Same.

Since the 1970s.

OK, Yeah, yeah.

So that's what they did.

And I'm not sure if that became what they do.

The standard or.

Yeah, as a standard, but merely interesting.

It's ridiculous.

Well, whatever was first was fucking dumb.

38:30

So that anything is an improvement from that where you have to hold you're a perpetrator or your accuser or whatever.

You know they have to take a picture of it.

Hold him.

I put your not hold him.

Put your hand on his shoulder, not hold him.

You know what I'm saying?

You.

Like you're getting tapped out or something.

It sounds like a fucking medieval.

38:45

That's weird.

Wow, that's dumb.

That's silly.

That got missed somehow.

Yeah.

Fucking still wear like wigs in the.

How awkward of a photo is that?

That's pretty awesome.

Can we just talk about that for a second?

So.

Never mind.

So Franz Lance this.

Is one of.

Your favorite deals?

39:01

This piece of shit tries to get the courts to think he's insane.

He starts saying hey I want a preacher to my cell so I can be cleansed of the demons that I have in me and he starts.

Well, he's not.

He's not fucking wrong.

Well.

He starts acting all crazy right and like doing weird shit.

39:19

He tries to they do bring in a preacher.

He tries to tell the preacher about these demons, but he gets the demons names all wrong and it's obvious to the preacher that hey, this guy's full of shit.

He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Yeah, he's probably hang himself.

So they were having none of that bullshit.

39:36

Like Epstein?

Exactly.

So when the investigator got Franz and 10s to take them out to the trial, right.

So basically he goes to the cell to get him, pulls him out.

This is kind of cool, he says to both of those two.

39:53

You'll see that I'm not putting handcuffs on you.

I'm not doing that for a reason.

I want you to run so I can shoot you.

Damn right dude, that's bad ass.

Go on.

I guess South African police, they don't fuck around.

They don't fuck around.

Or at least that one didn't, right?

Interesting.

40:09

So here's another thing that you go, well, it's what it is.

So Franz, his father, was so disgusted, embarrassed by what his son had done, that two years later he committed suicide.

Oh geez, that's crazy.

The dad committed suicide from suicide because of his.

40:27

Because his shithead son.

Yeah, Yep.

And wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Dive into the psychology there.

Oh.

God there we.

Go something.

I'm telling you, man, go.

There's some there's some more back story to that we're never going to know.

40:44

Maybe.

Yeah, maybe.

Chad fucked his kid up somehow, did something like there was.

Maybe.

You know what I'm saying, Lance.

I can't deny that, man.

There's, there's, there's a deeper picture there.

We're never going to know, generally.

But I'm interested in these.

But this is so heinous that I really don't.

41:01

Fucking I don't care if you.

No, I know, I know.

You're making excuses, Rob, for Tins and Hans and Franz.

This is kind of right.

OK, Yeah, I know we're dealing with true crime, but you know, this one, it's hard to kind of make.

Life so he went from full on saying well she's going to tell you everything.

41:17

Here's a pinky ring of of the person I just attempted a murder and now he's trying to get out of it basically by saying he's insane.

Correct.

And Franz actually had a wife and a kid at home.

So even just keeps getting nastier and nastier.

41:33

Yeah, that's that's.

South African constitution, this will piss you guys off too.

At that time, they they did not have the death penalty and they still don't.

Yeah.

Well, that kind of takes care of itself sometimes.

Again though, the judge, like the cop, did say hey, if it had been then available, both of these two guys would have got the death sentence.

41:52

Yeah, and so they get like six life sentences.

Yeah.

Are they life in prison?

What's the prison?

I'll get to that.

I'll get to that.

So here's another note on this thing that just something that happened that you shake your head and go, what the fuck is wrong with people?

Allison?

This is this is obviously quite some time after she's healing and all of those things, she gets an e-mail from an American woman who says, hey, I'm the mother of a girl who is now dating Franz and what she wanted to know.

42:25

If he's a bad guy.

No, no, not.

That oh wow.

She already knew he's a great guy.

Oh yeah, yeah.

And so. 8 a second she.

But they're in prison.

They are exactly.

So she's dating this.

Yes, OK.

And she wants to know if Allison will help them get him paroled.

42:43

You fuck.

You're making that up.

That's not.

Shut the fuck up.

Are you serious?

Fucking.

Here, somebody get me pictures of those fucking idiots.

I got to see this.

Oh my God.

Hey, look, he said he was sorry.

Yeah, he's not a bad guy.

42:58

Yeah, he just misunderstood a weird place.

Yeah, and he's into some, you know, weird ass fetishes that unfortunately you almost died from.

But hey, we want to be together.

And the mother of the daughter?

Logical.

Yeah, hold on.

The mother of the daughter that's dating this dude that's in prison for multiple rapes and attempted murder once.

43:19

One of his victims to defend the guy to try to allow him to get paroled.

Correct.

What I.

And get this, it even gets weirder.

So.

She likes bad boys.

She gave that e-mail to police and asked them.

43:35

She wanted it anonymous, but she said, hey, I'm receiving this.

She's got a restraining order on that chick and her mom.

Police take the e-mail and they show it to frogs in prison.

Yeah, I'm not sure what their intentions were, but Allison was.

Furious.

43:51

What was it?

Yeah, it was Franz, though, posing as this whole thing.

Is this all fake?

What do you mean no?

So it was real.

He made, he was, he made-up this narrative and then sent the e-mail anonymously or whatever, had somebody send the e-mail for him.

No, it's it.

Really happened.

Yeah, yeah.

Interesting.

44:06

I need to we I need to do a little fact checking on this.

So these two pieces of shit were actually released from prison on July 4th, 2023.

They were released, They're released.

They're free men.

Free.

Ellison wasn't even notified of the release.

44:22

Oh my God, absolutely ridiculous this is.

The kind of thing that needs to go viral like on social media and people need to know who they they were.

Remember the remember the movie Inglourious Bashers when Brad Pitt carved the swastika into that dude's forehead?

That's the kind of fucking thing one. 100 percent, 100%.

44:41

We can't let's even, I can't even talk about that anymore because it's going to just piss me off.

Wow.

So Allison after obviously much healing, became a motivational speaker and continues to help people to this day.

She was married, had two boys, which was crazy because the doctors had told her, hey, you're never going to be able to have children because of your injuries.

45:03

There's too much scar tissue.

And but she did have two boys.

The here's another kind of cool piece of it, right?

I said it's pretty inspirational.

That 20 year old man that I told you rescued her became a doctor.

He was the assisting physician with the birth of her second child.

45:20

Oh, no kidding.

Wow.

Full.

Circle.

She stayed in the same town.

Full circle.

Guess so.

She moved back in with her mom, but yeah, she stayed.

Yeah, just still.

In the same area.

Just to kind of get her head right.

Yeah, so you guys need to watch the documentary.

45:36

Yeah, so who's the on the TV screen right now?

Who's the buff dude with the glasses over there?

That's Franz.

That's Franz.

That's Franz in prison.

What?

The.

Fuck yes.

Yeah, he's frightening.

And if you look at a picture of 10s, can you pull one of those up?

45:53

He's Let's see a picture of him.

He.

Looks like a bona fide criminal just the same.

That's 10s on the left.

And OK, wow, they look a lot alike minus the goatee and long hair and.

Yeah, you're right.

I feel like if they balding, Yeah, if you put a wig.

Like yeah, the dude on the left looks like Voldemort.

46:11

Kind of little bit.

Is he sucking on a straw?

Is that what's going on?

I'm not.

Sure what that is.

So they both, like I said, when you start going, hey, why don't you jump out?

Why didn't you fight this?

You can see you look at those guys and you know there's nothing she could have did.

Those guys are are bona fide monsters.

46:27

Yeah, there was, there was like set in motion it was going to happen.

Yes.

She's just the unlucky 1.

So honestly, like I said, you guys need to go watch the documentary.

What's interesting to me is like, was he casing her?

Did he know that she was going to get to that apartment complex or whatever?

46:43

She was going to go home at like 3:00 in the morning?

Was it just totally completely random chance?

They didn't say whether he cased her.

Easy.

Interesting.

Yeah, I'm thinking they going 100 miles an hour and crashing into walls.

A little bit better than yeah than that, but she lived, dude.

47:00

Again, amazing woman, inspirational.

Rob, you got your thoughts on some of the experiences that she had and the scientific piece of that.

I don't care how you slice it.

Amazing story.

Does.

No.

She's a great woman.

What a great story.

47:16

Finally someone who didn't get murdered.

Yeah.

Right, I haven't.

Actually.

Survived like I'm going to deep dive into this one on my own.

The IT, it warrants that like just the caliber of, of the experiences she had and what she's gone on to do and, and trying to share her story because hopefully she can inspire some other victims to.

47:33

Without a doubt, without a.

Doubt survive.

So, fellows, it's.

Amazing.

I Will Survive.

That's it.

Let's clean up.

All right, Lance, get the dishes, buddy.

You got it.

I'm on it.

All right, Questions, comments?

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