Richardson Family Murders

This week, we dive into a forbidden love story between a 300-year-old werewolf and a 12-year-old runaway devil. Together, they embody the darkness of their mythical origins, culminating in a brutal and chilling act that results in the slaughter of an innocent family.

Sources:

• Runaway Devil: How Forbidden Love Drove a 12-Year-Old to Murder Her Family Book by Robert Remington and Sherri Zickefoose
• Morbid Podcast
• Wikipedia

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Transcript

0:00

All right, you fuckers, ready?

Yes.

All right, let's do this. 72 House K Jack 7.

Stabbing 1000 E Mission Dr. 72.

0:17

House K Jack 7.

Fellas they.

Get a growler.

Good to have you back.

Here we go.

I'm Víctor García to my left.

Rob Anders.

That's crazy, Rob.

0:33

That's certified.

To my right, certified fancy Lance Carls.

Howdy, howdy.

Yeah, I made it.

So grab some plates, pull up a chair, it's time for dinner at the Deuce Gals on.

I'm sitting right now me.

Too ready.

All right, so fellas.

I am going to have I'm going to have a lollipop.

0:50

Are you on one today or are we, are we safe?

Yeah.

On one what?

I don't know.

Last time you said you were on one.

And you were?

Yeah.

Was that really?

Yeah.

That's what you said.

I don't know if you were or not because I can't.

On just like a natural high, I think, Oh no, I'm good.

I'm therapeutic today.

Oh fantastic.

1:06

Outstanding, yeah.

It's going to be kind of mellow.

So we've kind of been talking back and forth about this today.

We all have got interesting thoughts, I think on this case.

It's not often you get a 12 year old, you know, involved in these kind of grisly murders.

1:22

Insane.

So I am excited about this.

I was telling you earlier, Rob, part of I think what I'm excited about is anytime there's kids involved in crimes that commit crimes, there's also humor because they're idiots.

They truly are in a fantasy world.

1:38

Yes, and this truly does I think have that same value to it.

So I don't know this.

Do you guys find humor?

Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to get started because I, I kind of went through the highlights just so I kind of have a little bit of like knowledge going into this.

And from what I, what I read, it is just probably one of the most disturbing podcasts that I think we've done.

2:00

Yes, by far.

Oh, it's up.

By the way, spoil alert.

It's the 12 year old.

She thanks for that.

She did it.

Yeah.

Guilty.

All right, so this is the story of the Richardson family murders.

Mark and Deborah Richardson.

They met at a gym in Ontario, Canada in 1990.

2:19

I.

Assume that's the parents, correct?

Their parents, yeah, that's the parents.

OK yeah, that's the parents.

So yeah, I chuckle 'cause I'm thinking of a gym in 1990 and.

It was LA Fitness, right?

Sweat LA Fitness it's.

Yeah, it's Canadian.

Bailey's.

2:34

Fitness.

Yeah, I do remember.

That BC fitness like British Columbia.

Wait, is that, is that British?

Is that Canadian?

Yeah.

Just I think Mark was a was a bro.

He's in the gym getting it.

So that's.

Where it pump you up?

So both of these people, Mark and Deborah, were addicts in their, I say, younger ages, like in their 20s.

2:56

Like workaholics?

Mid 20s.

No, they were.

They didn't say specifically what addiction, but I think it was alcohol for one of them and drugs for the other.

So, but they were addicts that were on the road to recovery at that time.

3:14

Once, so once an addict, always an addict.

Well, true.

So Mark was also in a biker gang.

So yeah, so kind of you're getting the picture of what?

I think 90s gym biker gang.

Right, right.

3:31

Yeah, yeah.

I think there's a stereotype for that, I'm sure.

Yeah.

So, you know, normally we hear those stories about two people that start their relationship as addicts, and it doesn't typically end well.

Yeah, just gas and matches pretty much.

Exactly.

3:46

Turns out to be.

Exactly.

It's so different.

Oddly enough though, this actually went the complete other way.

They get their life together.

They get everything.

Gym life.

In line yeah and start.

Them in discipline.

An amazing life for.

4:02

Them.

Yeah, that's awesome.

It's good to hear it is so.

Was he did you say he was a biker or in like in a bike gang?

No, he was like in a biker gang, like they didn't do good things.

Well, I'm, I'm just saying like, you know, 'cause there's bikers who would wear like a leather jacket and like a rock or panel on top of, but they're not in a gang.

4:19

I just didn't know if this dude was in a gang.

He's he was in a gang like.

Because I I don't know if you can go straight with a gang.

They sold drugs.

I don't know.

Like once you're in a gang, you know.

Once you're in a gang, you know.

That might just be.

See, I've been in a gang and the.

LDS Church isn't a gang.

All right, let's get back to it.

4:34

So Mark, like I said, he started a great life.

He was an instrumentation expert in the oil and gas industry and Deborah was a stay at home mother, so he looked.

Very well accomplished for being a.

Guy, he's not an idiot.

4:50

No addict and now this he.

Definitely changed his life for sure and so.

I'm having a feeling that kind of went off the deep end here, but.

Well, not yes.

Breaking the mold there is the podcast.

Yeah, right.

So, an instrumentation expert?

I figured you guys were going to ask for sure.

I'm surprised you didn't.

5:06

Well, I don't, you know, No, I.

I mean, I care, but I know all.

About it, but I'll let the victors, yeah, so I know everything about.

It thanks.

I appreciate that.

So I just.

Want to know what you know?

He's the guy that tests like all the gauges and stuff like that, so.

Very high tech stuff.

5:22

Like high tech stuff King.

King, king, king.

Yep.

Good.

So.

Baby.

So this one went quick right?

So 1990 is when they met in the gym.

OK, they were married in 1991.

Quick.

On October 1st, 1993, Deborah gave birth to Jasmine.

5:40

Jasmine.

Sweet Jasmine.

Yeah, my baby girl.

Yeah, baby.

She definitely grew up fast.

She.

Grows up so fast.

Jacob, their second and last child, was born in 1998.

OK.

So decent little spread.

And I think that kind of factors in as far as her thought process of, of how much she liked her brother or didn't like him at 12 years old and the brothers, you know, seven years younger.

6:06

So he's probably a real big pain in the ass.

To her.

Is my guess.

A lot of closeness there.

So by all accounts, the Richardsons were an amazing, loving, truly a picture perfect family like what you would assume to be drawn in the books.

6:23

You know they did very well for themselves.

They attended an an Anglican church.

They sponsored and assisted recovering addicts.

They were good people.

OK, Fast forward a few years.

Mark gets promoted and moves the family to Medicine Hat Canada.

6:43

Medicine Hat Cat, that sounds.

Made-up.

I know it sounds ridiculous.

You just made that up right now, didn't you?

Medicine Hat.

Medicine Hat.

That's like.

That sounds so.

Canadian.

Someone ask you where you're from and you don't want the want to tell them where you're from.

So you make something up, you go I'm from.

And then you look around the bar, whatever you see, like a medicine box and someone wearing a hat, and you go Medicine Hat.

7:04

That's pretty much.

Exact.

That's how Medicine Hat happens, what it sounds.

Like.

OK.

But apparently in, in Columbia or Canada, it's, you know, there's no rules over there.

No, these people are off their rockers.

So certifiable Deborah was a bit of a granola and she decided she wanted to open up this holistic therapy studio in their house that's.

7:26

The only thing you think of.

So you think of what, 70s Bush?

I thought you said Sage Bush.

Well, same that too, all saged.

Yeah, either way it needs to be weed whacked.

You said she's a granola.

She's a granola, so she she starts the holistic studio.

She also practiced Wicca and Reiki.

7:45

OK, I've done Reiki.

I know what both those things are, but I want you to explain what those are to everybody else.

So, Rob, you explain Reiki.

Reiki is like a massage without touching you, and it can be very erotic depending on who you're with.

Hold on, imagine me hovering over you at like 3:00 in the morning, Lance at the station and there's baby oil.

8:03

We got a little PDAD thing going on and I just don't touch you.

We just think about touching each other.

OK, that's not rapey.

Are you saying rapey?

I'm.

Disgusted now, but strangely aroused, yes.

Reiki.

So absolutely, I guess the Japanese, right, The Japanese.

8:19

Yeah, it's like a yeah.

So Karma Sutra.

No, that's.

The exact.

Opposite of what?

Yeah, yeah, let's move past.

The well agree to disagree.

Wicca.

OK, Basically, yeah.

She considered herself a witch.

Is is Reiki, like today's term edging?

8:37

No.

Isn't it?

No.

No.

You don't know what edging is, I.

Do know what edging is?

I've been married for 25 years, all right, All right.

I've been edged most of the time.

At a approximately 11 years old, Jasmine started going through some changes.

8:55

She went from a pink room with unicorns to all black straight up goth.

Oh.

Boy, she dark side.

It sounds like in the book that I read, basically she had moved to a new town when her parents started coming into some money Dad was promoting.

9:14

They moved to Medicine Hat like we said, and she describes it.

I say she Jasmine as basically she wanted to fit in.

She didn't have a friend circle yet and that's where this goth so.

You thinking like just like the wrong time to move type deal.

9:31

Yeah, really.

At A, at a an impressionable age.

Yes, I do think so.

So I.

Assume she was in junior high, maybe end of middle school or you know, beginning of middle school.

And it kind of goes to to show you, you know, as parents, you think when should there be intervention, you know, and when is are they just expressing themselves versus you go, OK, I don't like that.

9:51

I'm yanking it out right because fine.

Line these days.

It is a very fine line.

So the speculation is that this was because she began to physically mature early.

The goth, what came with that culture was older guys.

10:08

And we'll we'll talk about that a little bit more.

But she matured early.

And you guys have seen the pictures of her.

She was 12 years old in those pictures that we're looking at, and she most certainly did not look 12.

No.

So she.

10:23

Mean 19 maybe?

Yeah, I'd say questionable.

I would say yes, she's 12.

Years old in that photo, right?

There 17 to 19 range.

I'm sure she's also acting the part of an older mature yes.

Person.

Absolutely.

10:39

Yeah.

Is that her with the gun on the top right?

Yes, that's 1212 years old.

That's 12 years old.

Also at the same time, is all of this going on?

She got introduced to social media.

Oh boy.

And in Canada, one of their big chat rooms is called Nexopia.

10:56

And then there was obviously Myspace.

We know about that.

And she was on another one called Vampire Freaks.

Yeah, of course, of course she she is.

Wow.

Yeah, and that I attribute directly to the mom, to be honest with you.

You know the wicked stuff.

Oh, OK.

11:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That influence exactly contribute.

To where this doesn't seem.

Far fetched.

Yeah, it's not far fetched.

Yeah.

And I'm not just saying that's good or bad necessarily, but it definitely factors into.

I might even be so bold as to say, like she had a bond with her little girl that they're kind of in the same, yes, you know, things.

11:31

So on these sites she claims to be 15 and she uses screen names like Runaway Devil and X Killer Kitty X.

She described herself as a Wiccan with interests in hatchets, blood, serial killers, and human anatomy.

11:50

Her heroes were Jeffrey Dahmer and Marilyn Manson.

I think that'd be my it was that.

I mean, publicly public knowledge.

I mean, as far as her parents are concerned, did her parents subscribe to that as well?

Jasmine's parents, they were totally cool with all of this.

They basically believed she was just expressing herself.

12:09

So she she had gotten in trouble at school a couple times for dress code violations, right?

So like a, a skirt that's too short or a top that dips too low.

The teacher called them in and told him, hey, you know, she's having a lot of issues with dress code.

12:29

She's she's wearing all black, you know, and they're basically have some concern and her parents got irritated and told them, hey, she's expressing herself.

She's 12 years old.

And I don't disagree with that necessarily, but that's where the line, where is the line to where you intervene as a parent and say, no, we can't do that.

12:53

Yeah, there.

But the parents aren't going to intervene here because they're encouraging and progressing this change in her.

Yeah, well, for for sure.

But I guess I'm talking about even outside of.

This story.

Of them is just the those decisions we make with our kids or don't make to jump in, jump out.

13:13

Well, I think that is going to be based on her, her actions, right?

If she are, they walk into a room and there's a filleted squirrel on her wall, you know, and you go, all right, that's an issue.

So she started hanging out with the goth crowd.

Like I told you guys, she was going to these rock concerts.

13:29

And at these concerts, as you guys can imagine, there's a lot of older guys.

Granted, they were all age concerts, but they're from a small town.

Yeah, so.

They're not a bunch of 12 year olds, right?

Like.

Exactly, and unfortunately what we come to find is not only older men but pedos man like a man in his 20s dating a 12 year old.

13:54

That's what that should never happen.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

I mean it's.

Get into that.

I don't think there's any argument there, right, that's wrong.

And and so we'll get to that as far as because the parents did draw a line there and say no, this isn't happening.

We'll get into that.

14:10

So Jasmine met two men.

I was so excited to tell you guys about these two guys.

One went by the name Raven and was 19.

The other went by the name Trench Coat and was 20 or 21 and she'd be in hanging out with these guys at the mall.

14:28

So Raven in trench coat.

Yeah, those are.

Hey, Mom, Dad, I'm gonna be at the mall.

Who you going with, honey?

You know Raven in trench coat Here.

Here's 20 bucks.

Yeah, give me a set of one.

And where is this taking place?

This is back.

14:44

This is.

In Canada.

Canada, Medicine Hat Canada, right?

But it gives you an idea, right, of exactly what she's getting into at this point.

At 12 years old, the parents finally get to that point where they say, OK, we're jumping in, maybe this shit's not going in the right direction, it's time to implement some rules and start enforcing some rules.

15:07

And so that's what they do, too.

Late.

Get this, Jasmine, to give you an idea of her maturity level, she went to the school guidance counselor on multiple occasions complaining, complaining about her parents.

15:25

And she told the guidance counselor that she wants to be placed in the foster care.

And they say, well, obviously they get worried and go, well, what's going on?

Are you being abused?

No, she just didn't like the rules.

She would tell them no, I'm not being abused.

15:41

I just don't think their rules are fair and so no concept of what that means at all.

So this is kind of where shit gets haywire and and the fun begins, right?

Jasmine meets 23 year old Jeremy Stanky at a rock concert in January of O6.

16:01

What's his?

Name Vlad, Raven and.

Trench coat?

Yeah, Raven.

Trench coat and stank.

Raven and trench coat to the curb, and now he's dating Vlad the Impaler.

Yeah, I you're, you're fucked from the beginning, right?

Your last name, Stanky.

You're stanky.

You're done.

You're done.

16:17

Yeah, just give up.

You're done.

Another, another stanky.

Just enter the family.

Congratulations, you're a stanky.

Wants a stanky.

Always a stanky.

I just had me another stanky.

Yeah, you.

Better flush it, No, You better be there, no.

Hell.

16:34

No, this was a good one.

This was a keeper, this.

A keeper's got two eyes.

I can only imagine the shit he got at school.

No pun intended, Yeah.

You better flush this one.

That's.

Right, so I do feel bad for him, right?

The stanky name was one thing.

16:49

He had a rough upbringing.

Both of his parents were abusive Alcoholics.

His father abandoned the family when he was super young and basically every man that his mother brought home from that time on would be an alcoholic and abuse him so.

17:08

The old dranky, stanky.

Dranky.

Stanky.

I've seen it 1000 times.

You.

If I've seen it once, yeah, I've seen it.

Yeah.

So mom was like a she was a bad alcoholic and as far as I know, still is.

17:24

And you'll, we'll get into some of the things that happened after the murder or during that time period.

And they'll kind of describe you a little bit more about Jeremy's mother, his upbringing, and the things that were normal for him in his life.

As a matter of fact, the assumption by psychologist is that Jeremy was most likely a fetal alcohol baby.

17:50

Really.

Yeah.

Yeah, because the mom is a known alcoholic and if they look at the the psychological evaluations of him, they showed him at that time to have the mentality of about a 16 year old, even though he was 23.

18:06

So whose fault's that?

Is it his?

Fault is that only because he's.

His mom's fault as.

Parents.

I'd assume it's his mom's fault and I and and what?

What, what?

What?

You know why I was going with it there.

He doesn't even know we're there yet.

I know, I know.

We're.

There yet?

OK, OK, I got.

You Oh for the love of.

18:24

God, hey, once in a million's, OK, you can have one.

So, so you guys know, with, with Stanky here, He's yeah, he's got a bad life at home, life at school.

When he leaves the door is no better.

And here's where it even, you know, it gets worse.

18:44

He claims that he was a 300 year old werewolf that was part of a lichen empire that would one day rise.

Yeah, so clearly.

Wow dude, I don't even and can you?

Repeat say that exact thing again.

19:00

A lot of words.

So a 300 year old werewolf that was part of a lichen empire that would one day rise.

Lichen Empire, Yeah, that was what?

That would one day rise.

A What's a lichen empire?

Wolf.

Lichen werewolf.

It's called lichen.

Yeah, right.

19:16

Like, yeah, read a book, Rob.

Watch a movie, Rob.

LICHEN.

It's no.

LY.

LLIKEN, but that might be wrong too it we're getting into the fine minutiae of this lichen thing here.

19:32

You would understand.

You're only 45 years old.

He's 300 years old.

OK, that's true.

Yeah.

OK, so this 300 year old werewolf thing, I'm sure psychologists would tell you, you know that he's.

You're not.

Yes, Fetal.

Alcohol Reality A.

19:48

Huge age gap now, I thought 12 to 24.

Yeah, yeah.

Like 12 to 300.

Right now, we're really getting into it.

Come on.

Bro, you're 300.

Years old, then you had fetal alcohol.

Years to that.

Yep.

That's his excuse.

Yeah, that's it.

Now I'm you and you're me.

20:04

Yeah, wait, what?

What happened?

What happened there?

Whose body am I in?

I don't know how my.

Winger is so small usually, as you guys can probably imagine.

Jeremy started drinking doing drugs at a young age.

At 15, he was hospitalized for hypothermia after getting blackout drunk and passing out in the snow.

20:25

Thank God he's a werewolf.

Dude does.

Remind me of a few.

Of our get the fur to keep him warm.

Yeah, Dang, right, our snowboard.

Trips are fancy.

Pants.

If he won a werewolf, he'd be dead.

Oh, for sure, yeah.

Yeah, no human. 9 out of 10 humans would be dead, but 100%?

A hundred out of 100 werewolves They're.

20:40

Certainly survive, yes.

At the age of 22, he started dabbling in the goth world as well and this really hit home for him because he finally found a place that he believed he fit in and was liked by girls.

20:58

Well, we're not talking about vampire.com.

No, we're talking about the mall.

The Medicine Hat Mall.

That's where these goth folks.

Hung out.

That's the whole topic.

Of who he was talking about, like the genre of who he's connecting.

Himself, yeah, 'cause she was on vampire.com and he's a werewolf, which I had, correct me if I'm wrong, They're kind of feuding at the time.

21:17

They're not the best of friends.

Yeah, they're not the best of friends, the vampires and the werewolves.

So you know, they don't, they don't jive, I mean.

They're not hanging out on their off days.

Yeah, you talk about Twilight.

All right being.

Weirdo.

Hey, read.

Hey, it's in a book, OK?

It's, it's based loosely based on true events.

21:33

That's true.

OK.

So to these young girls.

They lived in London.

They started, I'm sorry, These young girls at the mall idolized Jeremy.

They thought he was edgy, good looking.

He could drive.

21:50

Yeah, he had a car.

He could drive a Stagecoach, you can drive a a a van.

He might be able to even fly.

Yeah.

Oh, they're for sure.

They don't.

They have their little brooms. 100%.

How do you know they don't get?

So he also would get these young kids drugs, alcohol, and so as you can imagine, they're like, oh, what a So Jeremy and Jasmine hit it off, right?

22:15

These two Wizards found love.

Immortal twins, yeah.

Stinky.

She loves the stanky.

She loves the.

Stanky.

So they officially became a couple in February of 2006.

22:31

OK, I just thought about this and my wife's probably like, yeah, you didn't.

So back then the stanky leg doesn't didn't exist yet.

Oh dude, he was.

He was premature.

He was because he was had that had the stanky leg come out.

Stanky might have been.

22:47

Oh my God.

Might have saved him, Yeah.

So there's an 11 year difference between the two. 11 years.

So most of their communication was through e-mail, phone calls and rendezvous.

When Jasmine would sneak out, she eventually got caught.

23:04

And this, again, is kind of where things take a whole She's not even. 12 yet.

No, she is.

She's 12.

Oh, this is all within that year, Yeah.

Background, yeah.

And so she gets grounded like super atomic grounded like.

Right, she's stop everything.

23:21

She's not doing shit, which I agree with.

I, you know, I think that's for her, Jasmine.

It's a piece that pushed her over the edge.

But as parents, what do you do right your daughter's dating at your 12 year old daughter's dating.

I thought, I think they did fine honestly, because like what else can you do?

23:37

I mean, you don't want to be the enabler, right?

Enabling you.

If you're you found out your 12 year old daughter was dating a 23 year.

Old IA 100% would lock it down.

I mean, how what else are you going to do?

You can.

You can't accept that right here.

You say, well, yeah, no, but that that's.

It would get more than lockdown.

23:53

No, well, that's that's what I'm saying is like that now you have to parent and it sounds like they did exactly.

I mean, what I'm saying is like, they're not, they're in the picture, right?

They're trying, They're not trying to be your friend.

They're not trying to like reason with her.

24:08

So she's super grounded and this is crazy because they start, you said take away everything.

She still had her computer at this point just grounded from going out, doing anything, seeing friends, anything, no concerts, all that stuff.

24:24

And so I read some of these emails and it's kind of crazy.

It gets really like oddly, like 5th grade mushy at times and then pretty dark.

And I say mushy like this 300 year old werewolf, right?

24:39

He's signing off on his emails saying like teehee.

And he signs off L8R later cuddle Bunny laugh out loud.

That's that's the kind of would.

You say that in the 1700s, The 1800s?

No, I don't think you say TV maybe.

24:55

You do, but it's with an accent, yeah.

OK, well, maybe.

Because everything that has an accent sounds old.

So he doesn't seem mentally all that mature to me at this point.

For sure.

This is like maybe even less.

Wait, fetal alcohol?

25:11

Are you saying he's like he's a liar if he's not 300 years old?

He no.

Stop it.

OK, you know what?

Look, who are you to question?

I went off this ride right now.

Who's that?

So one of Jeremy's e-mail chains, he signed in with the name Soul Eater, Soul Eater, Soul Eater.

25:33

And that's what some of the folks called him.

Soul Eater I'd.

Be kind of like eating marshmallows he's just never really going to get full because it's.

Well, that's a step up from Trench Coat and Raven.

But now you, now you went to I don't know.

Trench coat and Raven.

Oh.

Man, she they're looking like stellar dudes.

25:48

Come over to these 100% stank Mr. Stanky.

Yeah, I thought Raven was a nerd, but now everyone else solely here, you know Raven, you know we have Raven over for dinner now.

Trench coat actually had a.

Trench coat.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

Yeah, skateboard.

So here's one of the e-mail threads that they had back and forth.

26:05

Jeremy sends e-mail that says you were a sight for sore eyes and I miss you more than killing people.

Can we get together and kill people together?

I have a poem for you.

You shall see it when I see you.

Teehee.

Well I guess I should go.

26:20

Love you tons.

Ta ta for now, T.

Is it T EE HEET he?

No, I think it's TEHE so but same.

Teehee.

Oh, instead of the teehee, it's teehee.

It's an it's an ancient werewolf saying, can you, can we look that?

26:38

We're trying to understand things that would be.

A paw print.

Only lichens, yeah, no.

Wait, no, Ruff.

Clearly you're not a lichen rob, so here's the reply.

Killing people sounds like fun.

And yes, we shall.

I miss you to a large, large amount that cannot be contained in mere words.

26:56

I love you.

This is her to him.

This is her.

She's clearly far superior to him.

I mean, he's, he's a mental.

Means more mature.

For sure the he does yeah the fact that she didn't reply back with Teehee, I mean she's.

Light years ahead of him, she's already.

27:12

He's a mental Midget.

She's already.

Won mental dominance, yeah.

She's running the show.

So not so not long after all of this, that's when her parents do get on the e-mail and start looking at her Internet.

It's just gone far enough, yeah.

Well.

27:28

We're putting our foot down now, yeah.

Kitty Killer, you cannot talk to Soul Eater anymore.

OK, I forbid.

It you are grounded from.

Soul, Raven and Trench Coat are allowed in this.

House and no more lichens.

You have to stay inside the salt circle and you cannot get past the.

Crystals plus the goddamn stinky.

27:45

I've saged this room of all evil.

I don't know what it would end to, honestly.

I just assume that's what it that OK, all right.

So as you guys would imagine.

Taking away your trench coat.

The parents find this super disturbing and they ground her now from the Internet.

28:04

They also say, hey, we're going to go get counseling as a family.

And they they say we're going to get counseling.

Wait, is that Canadian?

A Oh yeah.

A we're going to get counseling.

A.

That's right.

So that sounds just sweet.

I will say this, look.

28:20

That's more Sweden.

Most parents, that's the problem I think is they don't have the follow through at at a minimum I would say they're travelling the right path.

They at least know we got to go get help.

Yeah, they could easily someone have easily just said she's still within this phase.

28:36

You know, so they're trying to, they're awesome ground.

They're trying to.

Get so from the time she changed to like Goth to the time she's talking about killing people.

It's within a year.

That is.

Crazy.

Yeah, changing, man.

She that's crazy.

She progressed very.

Fast as a teenager.

So within a few weeks, Jasmine started behaving better.

28:54

A few weeks after the therapy started, that is.

As a reward, Jasmine's parents allowed her to attend a concert with One Catch.

We're going with you.

Oh, and so she agrees to it and they head out to this concert.

While at the concert, Jasmine disappeared from sight.

29:14

They end up finding her in the alley making out with a 300 year old werewolf.

A.

Different one or the same one?

Same one.

No, that's true love.

Shit, that's true love, right?

There pissed at the dad right now.

Well, he's probably scared too, I mean.

Scared fucking werewolf bro.

29:30

That's true.

And.

Kills werewolves.

Is the silver bullet or is the?

I'm pretty sure it's a biker gang.

Silver bullet.

A biker gang will kill a werewolf.

Oh, good point.

There's we're, we're getting all kinds of superpowers going here.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, all.

Right, so the parents catcher, right making out with the werewolf and now they truly do break out the atomic grounded.

29:52

You're grounded from everything.

OK, you're.

And so, and most certainly zero more contact with the werewolf.

He's out.

He's done.

They're going to shoot him.

They're not going to shoot him yet, but the daughter is done as far as the parents are concerned.

30:10

Like they put the hard brakes on this whole thing got it right.

And again, this is where shit's getting as as far as Jasmine's concerned.

She's kind of going off the deep end in her head with all of this stuff.

She can't see her friends.

She can't.

Yeah, she's in solitary confinement, basically.

30:27

Her werewolf.

Yeah, boyfriend.

Which, by the way, the the concert was had a pin set up somehow, because there's no way that was a coincidence.

I would assume so.

Right, Yeah, she played her parents pretty much.

She's a smart.

Detective skills are just fucking earth shattering.

You're welcome.

Seriously.

30:43

You might want to write this down, pal.

Absolutely.

So so not long after the grounding she starts sneaking out super frequently and around this same time is the time she first had sex with Jeremy.

30:59

She's.

Still 12. 12 years old.

And he's 23. 23 years old.

So I would assume your next step is to get him arrested, right?

I mean as a parent like.

Click Clack.

Oh, well, that too.

Yeah, that, that's always a a very honest option.

31:14

It'd be hard not to kill a man because that's that's right, you're a pedophile.

Yeah, you're a pedophile.

Yeah.

So I mean, as a parent, I mean, that's your little girl.

What are you?

How do you rectify that?

You know, just.

Just they don't know though, do they or do they?

No, they don't know.

They don't know yet.

No, they don't know that.

31:30

So as I was saying, though, the parents are doing the best things they can.

She's kind of going over the edge now.

She has sex for her first time, and she would say about that experience.

31:46

We made love because I loved him so much.

I thought it would bring us close, closer together.

I thought it would make him happy.

I knew he wanted to have sex with me.

And that was kind of her take on that first time that they had sex.

Just expanding that Wolf Pack.

32:03

Expanding the Wolf Pack, I can't.

Even joke about it man, that's.

Fucked up.

It is fucked up, yeah, for sure.

I joke because I hurt.

So sorry.

Jasmine also began to ramp up her hatred of her parents at this time.

So again, I I'd trip out at the things they write, but she writes RAWR.

32:26

R.

I hate them, so I have this plan.

It begins with me killing them and ends with me living with you.

She sends this.

She sends this to Jeremy.

Yeah, we'll just fill in the details as we go.

You know what I mean?

Well, that's absurd to finish the whole plan right there.

32:43

Okay, already wrote it down.

So it's funny you say that.

Here's the reply.

I love your plan, but we need to get a little more creative with the details and stuff.

I wish, I wish.

These are emails they're sending back and.

Forth, yes.

This is him to her.

This is yeah, this is him to her.

32:59

I wish they wouldn't treat you that way, girl.

It angers me to hear that I dislike them very much.

Don't worry.

I love you too, my sexy beast.

I hope to hear from you soon too.

Take care, my love, you have the key to my heart, and soon enough you shall have my heart.

33:17

If I die anyways 'cause if I give it to you now.

Can you even fucking comprehend that this is what he's saying?

Let me read it slower one more time.

You have the key to my heart, and soon enough you shall have my heart.

If I die anyways 'cause if I give it to you now, I'll die then you won't be able to hear me say how much I love you.

33:38

This is a true.

Wow, dude.

That's an adult.

That's an adult man.

This is an adult man, a 23 year old man.

Wow, if I give you to my heart too, then you I die.

Not here.

You.

Know what I mean Like.

Like.

Yeah, yeah.

33:54

I mean, but again, not mature.

I mean she, she's more mature than him for sure, I would say.

She's the planner for.

Sure he signs off Love X0X 0X0 you know wow big hug little kids little kids big hug I.

34:12

You know this, this girl's probably like genius level, like IQ.

I bet she is, yeah.

Like a young age for just her level of perspective and ability to like intake all these external experiences and for sure and.

You could argue.

Manipulate.

Them into yes, if you could argue she is the one doing the manipulating.

34:28

For sure, right now it's crazy.

It's intriguing.

Yeah, a few days after that, Jeremy posts a post on one of his sites.

He says my girlfriend's family are really unfair.

They say that they really care.

34:43

They don't know what is going on.

They just assume as their greed continues to consume, she is slowly going insane.

She continues to think that I came into her life to help her out and to stop what they keep trying to shout.

It's all total bullshit.

35:00

Their throats I want to slit.

They will regret the shit they have done, especially when I see to it that they are gone.

They shall pay for their insolence.

Finally there will be silence.

Their blood shall be payment.

No shit this was on one of their like social media sites.

35:18

He's posting Instagram.

On a social media site.

Well, obviously, like knowing what we know now, like everything started.

Off slow, but he finished up pretty.

Yeah.

Like he could, he could, he could do some writing for Yeah, turn it.

On a little bit, yeah.

Stephen King or something, you know?

Yeah, or, you know, Mötley Crüe.

35:35

Or yeah.

Right, something more badass.

Well, that sounds very bold.

So to.

Profess basically.

Murder, right?

Absolutely.

On a public site.

Absolutely.

And even more so these two fucking dumb asses.

They're they're telling anyone who would listen about their plot to kill the parents.

35:54

No shit, anyone.

And when they end up doing, you know, the investigation after all of these heinous crimes, there was no shortage of people that were like, Oh, yeah, she talked about all the time killing her parents.

Fuck when those people go report it.

Hey, you want to come over on Saturday for a swim party?

36:11

No, you keep forgetting I'm gonna murder my parents.

Come on, I.

Can't go so in the werewolf gonna kill her parents.

So everyone, I think everyone thought the same thing, which is she's bullshitting.

Yeah, she's just being a kid.

What 12 year old is going to act that out?

36:28

I mean, how common was that even in Canada back then?

Not it's not even common now really right?

Everyone would be shocked to know that a 12 year old murdered their entire family.

This is out of control.

This is 20 what, two years ago?

Something like that?

90 No.

36:44

This was an O 6.

Fudge.

Jeremy, I'm.

Still stuck on Raven and trench coat.

So.

They dodged the bullet.

They really did.

So Jeremy starts getting really into this thought, and I think Jasmine's pushing and pushing and pushing.

37:04

So he actually starts putting some concrete things in motion, and he tries to recruit a couple of his friends to help.

His friends apparently weren't quite as stupid as him because they said fuck no dude, we're not helping you fucking murder anybody.

37:20

Yeah, their their mom only smoked marijuana while pregnant.

Exactly.

Yeah, they didn't get the old fetal.

Fetal alcohol syndrome.

Skipped them by So on Saturday, April 7th, 2006, where were you Rob?

I'm not specifically where where were you in your life?

37:39

In 2006, I just got promoted to position engineer.

Was going to medic school, had a bunch of babies.

Crazy.

Just didn't think of it.

Yeah.

So similar story for me on the job, Yeah, definitely.

By almost 10 years, yeah.

37:55

Yep.

I was just barely learning how to wipe my own ass properly, but I was on the job.

I got on.

Yeah, I was three years on.

I was just, you know, yes sirs, no sirs, and Yep.

Yep.

Crazy.

So this day on Saturday, April 7th, 2006 started amazing.

38:12

Jasmine's family had a BBQ, they all hung out, they're enjoying the weather.

As far as they know, she's doing better.

Things are going great.

And they but she's sneaking out this whole.

Time they don't know, but.

They don't know, but yes, she is.

OK, she's sneaking out.

38:28

She's covered up.

They don't know.

They think things are actually on the upswing and in reality, they're actually spiraling out of control.

Got it.

So Jeremy, on the other hand, spent his day getting shithoused.

Beer, vodka, cocaine, marijuana, pretty much anything he's.

38:48

Just pulling out the stops, huh?

Yeah.

And the deal is?

When you're an immortal werewolf, you can do those things.

You can.

Oh, absolutely right.

Yeah, only werewolves and vampires can do that.

Yeah, that's what I would do.

Cocaine at the same time.

Yeah, Dang, right.

39:04

So.

Watch Cornhole Bud.

I think what happened is they had made plans, they knew, hey, we're doing, we're doing it this thing.

And he was scared and went straight into I'm going to get so shithouse that basically I won't be as scared and I can do this because I'd really don't think he wanted to.

39:28

So he gets fucked up and puts on his favorite movie, Natural Born Killers, which he thought was the greatest love story.

That's what I was of.

All time, yeah.

Some werewolf movie, right?

No.

And these, these, well, I say these people, him, his girlfriend and their little clan of Goss, they idolized this movie.

39:53

And so again, you know, I don't we could dive off into a black hole on this, but you know, you start getting into the whole influence and music and movies, you know, how much impact does that really have on young impressionable people?

40:13

You know, we could, we could dive into that.

But now I think born killers.

I think people see what they want to see, you know what I mean?

If if you're you know of that like and you see a movie that kind of speaks to you a little bit, you kind of gravitate to that, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

40:29

And they gravitated towards this.

So at about four O clock in the morning, Jeremy goes to Jasmine's house and signaled her by throwing a pine cone at her window.

Yeah, this straight off of a.

40:46

OK, 2 pine cones means it's off. 1 pine cone means it's on.

So she hears the pine cone, goes down to the basement, lets him in.

This is where shit gets crazy.

As if it's not crazy enough, right?

41:01

Exactly.

Jasmine's mom, Deborah, hears noises in the basement.

She thinks Jasmine's trying to sneak out.

So she beats feet down to the basement and she's thinking in her mind, I'm going to catch her sneaking out and stop her.

41:18

What Deborah found when she got down into the basement was a man dressed in all black with a hoodie on a face cover, fishnet stockings on his arms and a butcher's knife in his hand.

No shit.

That's what she walks into in the basement.

41:35

And shits her pants 'cause that's what I would do. 100%.

I would shit my pants. 100% scream like a schoolgirl.

I would probably, I would like to think I'd fight or, you know, take the night from him, but I'd probably shit my yeah, yeah.

A whole lot of stinky.

Or you know what?

Maybe I'll just like, reach my pants and just throw my shit in his face because that's how I'm.

41:53

I might be a get like a monkey, Yeah.

Like a chimpanzee?

Yeah, absolutely.

And then RIP his Dick off.

Well, yeah, like it.

Well, I think they'd.

They'll beat his Dick off.

Beat his Dick off, yeah, more accurately.

And then he'd get tired and.

Fall, you want another dude to beat your Dick off?

He'd fall asleep in the snow and get hypothermia again.

42:13

So.

So Deborah screams like you would have Lance and Jeremy freaks out.

He's fucked up.

He starts slashing at her with the knife, is what he says.

He stabbed her close to a dozen times.

42:30

One of the stab wounds punctured her aorta.

Oh.

Got her.

I'll do it.

I'll do it.

Game over.

So back to calls.

So Rob, you, you have a interesting, I think take on this for us, we don't get to see any of the backside.

42:48

So we see a bleed in that area and we can assume what we think's going on, but you see it on the backside where you actually get to see the like the imagery and.

Yeah, like phone, like just, I've seen people getting shot and stabbed in the liver and they're, but they look pregnant by the time you guys leave and everything and they cut them open their entire blood volumes and they're like, you know, pernatal cavity and just, it's, it's just crazy. 3rd.

43:14

Space.

Yeah, big time.

It's amazing how much blood can be outside, but inside.

But inside the system, yeah.

Yeah, without a doubt.

And so I'm, I, I asked that question because, you know, we get back to the calls.

This is going to be a bloody one.

43:30

Oh yeah, yeah, we've all been on those calls.

We had a call.

I remember we should have first on the battalion was there and there was a the guy It was a really quick funny side, not funny, but interesting Side Story.

The uncle got out of prison that day went to those little man.

43:49

I forget the address it was off of the university, but it was one of those like university and Dorsey old trailer.

Yeah, that's going now.

It's all been rebuilt now, but this uncle dude gets out of prison, goes directly to his nephew's house and just takes a a big old like not a butcher knife, one of the big like chopper knives and just just guts them right there.

44:10

And we get there and it's that red thick Jelly, gelatinous red like and the battalion guy that was there, I won't say any names.

He was worried about a sea spine in the patient.

And I looked at him like, that's not what he needs.

He doesn't need AC collar, he needs surgery.

44:26

We need to leave like like right now.

But anyways.

The new guys in the corner puking his guts out.

We're you've been in those calls where you're like, you walk in and you're just like you're in your turn out boots because we used to wear, you know, turn up pants on EMS calls, but you'd be like just slipping and.

44:42

Yeah, blood.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

So watch your step.

Yeah, watch your step.

And in the back of the ambulance, same thing.

Yeah.

How many times have you seen those?

Bloody those.

Yeah, those footprints.

Bloody footprints, yeah.

Yeah, too many times that I more times than I want to, yeah.

So back to the story.

44:58

So Deborah, she sees him, she screams, he freaks out, starts slashing at her.

He he ends up nicking her aorta at the same time.

Mark had heard the commotion.

He beats feet down to the basement and on the way down there's a screwdriver out.

45:17

And so he grabs that and runs down to the basement.

So he gets to the basement, he sees his wife on the ground covered in blood and the same unidentifiable man standing near her that that obviously just killed her.

45:35

So he loses his mind.

And the I will say that they every source that I read from the police to the folks on the medical and the doctors that did autopsies he fought, they described like a warrior.

45:56

No.

So he.

Defensive wounds type deal.

Yeah, yeah, he definitely did everything in his power to protect the family, for sure.

Wow, it's good.

So so Mark sees the guy, he sees his wife, he he lunges at the guy with the screwdriver and the fight was on.

46:18

At that point Jeremy says that he started what kind of walking backwards when Mark lunged him and he tripped and fell and he said Mark jumped on him right when he fell down and tried to tried to stab him with the screwdriver.

46:35

Jeremy was able to deflect the screwdriver.

Mark then went to grab his neck and choke him and while he was doing that he probably didn't know Jeremy had a knife in his right hand and Jeremy's stabbing him over and over and over again while he's trying to choke him.

46:56

So fucking.

Brutal bro.

Yeah, so.

Yeah, he didn't plan for that.

You know that's.

Yeah, that wasn't in the.

In between the details of it starts with me killing my parents.

So gothicy and.

Just space, space, space.

He wanted to slip the throats, remember?

47:12

Yeah.

Didn't work out.

Yeah, I yeah, it it just a absolutely.

Where's Where's a good old Where's the daughter at right now?

So she had came down when she still put her mom.

When the mom and Jeremy went at it, she had come down, saw it, and beat feet back upstairs.

47:33

Oh.

Shit.

So I think she freaked out also like you said last yeah, they hadn't planned for this.

Yeah, they're both immature and I don't think have any idea of consequence and well.

47:49

Clearly.

Yeah.

I mean, yes, unbelievable.

So Mark starts getting tired.

He rolls over.

A long day.

Yeah, been a long day and.

It turns out getting stabbed is tiring work.

He rolls over and asked Jeremy why.

48:07

Jeremy told him and this was the last thing he heard before he died.

Because you treat your daughter like shit.

It's what your daughter wanted.

No shit, that's what the dad heard.

That's what the dad heard right as he's dying.

And not, not to get too deep into the wounds, but he was stabbed, I believe, 24 times.

48:27

And they said it wasn't one specific injury that killed him.

It was a multitude of them.

Like you'd said.

Robbie had a good amount of blood in his abdominal cavity.

He had punctures to his lungs.

He he had cuts everywhere.

48:44

And yeah, and at the end of the day, both the mother and the father had some lucid time as they're dying because they both bled out, so there was time where they know.

Reflect.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean.

And have an understanding of what's actually.

49:00

Going on, what's happening?

Right now they they completed the picture of their daughter's life like they're I'm sure they're start also starting to realize that perhaps her daughter orchestrated this whole thing.

Oh, I'm I guarantee it's they're it's flying through their mind.

I'm all of it.

49:16

I mean, the, the, you know, Stanky just tells him your daughter wanted this.

And so he, you know, it's a horrible thought to think as a father, he goes to his grave with that being what he hears.

Well, and it's it's between that and you actually, you're a biker dude who got murdered by a guy named Stanky.

49:36

Yeah, you got murdered by a 300 year old werewolf named Stanky Biker.

Buddies aren't going to forget that they're not.

Oh yeah, He's not going to be welcome back, No.

No, he's he get kicked out, Yeah, he's not going to be welcome back in the fold for.

Sure, for sure.

So I like I told you guys, when the killing kind of kicks off, Jasmine bolts.

49:55

I think she freaks out just the same as Jeremy did.

Did it say anything?

Sorry to interrupt, but did it say anything that like Stanky was a a formidable male?

I mean, was he a big dude?

He wasn't a big guy, No, which I I, I didn't want to, you know, pass too much judgement on the dad.

50:14

But there is that part of me that thinks this is a little dude.

He's not a fighter, he's not a wrestler, He's not a he.

You know, there's nothing particularly scary about this kid.

I would like to think that I'd thump him, but.

50:29

Well, when you're explaining the details, I was thinking there's, there had to have been some sort of fluke that went on, you know, because he, he came downstairs ready to ready for business, right?

He, he, he knows something's going on.

He grabbed a weapon of some sort.

He met his opponent, you know, face to face.

50:48

It's not like he got the jump on him, right?

And he lost that battle.

And so you, you got.

Yeah.

But it sounds like it was like the typical Hollywood scene where the guy they fall and the bad guy has a knife and the good guy lands.

On the well, that's you know.

That's beating him and.

That's funny.

That's exactly what I was thinking, yeah.

51:05

Yeah, I mean it's.

Yeah, it really is crazy.

I I'll bet at you, I mean, again, not to get too deep into that, but you replay that 10 times and nine out of those 10 times.

The dad's coming out on top, right?

Yeah, he's like, he's a big dude for the he's like around 6 foot 205 lbs ish.

51:22

So he's not a small guy.

Well, this is, you know, so that's why you need to have a gun in your house.

So well, yeah, so.

So Jasmine goes upstairs, like I said, when this thing freaks out or when this thing goes off and she freaks out, everything happens and goes down.

51:41

She ends up meeting Jeremy in the kitchen.

All the the killing just happened.

He's bloody, goes into the kitchen a little.

Hungry.

A little bit hungry.

She's she's there and she immediately embraces him and tells him she loves him.

51:57

Wow.

Wow, true love, confirming that he did the right thing right?

I mean reaffirming that.

Thank you.

Yeah, Thank you.

Job well done.

Happily ever after.

Not like where we're at.

What the fuck did we just do?

Nope.

I'm you would think.

52:14

Right, you would think, yeah, some.

Tears, some emotion.

She's thrilled.

Like she's like, hey, my dreams are coming true now.

Yeah.

Now we can do the second part of our plan, which is it ends with you and me.

So they actually.

So this is funny.

I don't know if we get to this later, but they, they had a lot of e-mail interaction and, and texts.

52:36

And so I can't read you guys all of the ones that they had.

But there is one point where they're talking about killing her parents and they decide that they're going to get a castle in Europe when they're done with all of that.

And it's.

Just what you.

52:51

Do Transylvania.

Yeah, flee to Europe in a in live in a castle.

Well, the credit history for 300 year old werewolf is just.

Phenomenal.

It's beyond great, right?

2000, I'd assume, yeah.

That's it 2. 1000. 300 years.

53:08

So Jasmine heads back upstairs, starts talking to her brother.

Oh shit, he's that's gonna be the worst part of the story.

He's tell me no.

No, he's cowering in the bed when she gets up there.

Dude, he's 8 years old.

53:25

It's going dark.

I, I kill him.

So we'll, we'll, we'll go over that.

But I will tell you in other podcasts, we listen to a podcast called Morbid.

One of the things that they do is they say, hey, a trigger warning, you know, when they're about to say something bad.

53:43

This is most certainly one of those moments.

Anyone that has, you know, children in their lives, which is most of us, just can't fathom things bad.

Happening come on out with it so just.

Fucking get it out.

Yeah, so.

53:59

So he heard all of it.

He heard all of it.

OK.

So she comes in and tells him, go to sleep, Jacob.

She starts trying to strangle him.

Yeah.

So she literally says.

And this is what she told police later.

54:16

I wanted him to just go to sleep.

And so her thought process was, it'll be peaceful if I just strangle him and he goes to sleep like a.

Mercy.

Exactly, that's what she's thinking in her head like this is going to be peaceful like the movies.

I'm going to strangle him.

54:32

Well, of course he fights back like happens in real life.

And she's not a big girl either.

He's a 70 LB eight-year old.

So she can't do it while she at least can't choke him out.

And so.

So at this time, he gets up and he's like, oh shit, my sister is real.

54:51

Yeah, like, what the fuck is going on?

He staggers out into the hallway and runs into a bloody Jeremy.

Oh fucking God damn it.

Yeah, and Jeremy's there, you know, obviously bloody.

He hit Jacob had heard all the things that happened with his family downstairs.

55:10

He looks like a, you know, Johnny Cash.

He's in all black.

His face is covered.

I can only imagine what Jacob was thinking.

So.

This house, this, yeah, this house is a.

Bloodbath.

That's a horror movie.

You know, it is so he so, and this is per Jeremy, he said.

55:30

I'm scared.

I'm too young to die.

That's what he told.

God damn man he literally had Jeremy wherewithal to like.

Wait, that's what the little brother said to.

That's what the little brother said to them in the hallway.

I'm scared.

I'm too young to die.

What's that?

Well, and they both report obviously because they're the only two who made it out.

55:49

But sucks they you know he had the wherewithal to know his his own mortality.

Yeah, he knew what?

Was coming 8 year old.

Yeah, he knew what was coming.

So this so right here, things do get a little bit foggy.

So according to Jasmine, she couldn't kill her brother so Jeremy had to do it.

56:05

And she's saying I couldn't kill him, like I couldn't bring myself to do it, which I don't believe is the case.

She says Jeremy slit his throat and Jacob slowly died.

Now, according to Jeremy, Jasmine killed her brother by slitting his throat while Jeremy watched.

56:24

Jasmine also would tell friends in the coming hours.

They end up going to a party, we'll get into that.

But she would tell them I killed my brother tonight.

He he gargled.

Is what she told.

Him.

So on his.

Own blood.

56:40

On his own blood.

And so I do believe to, to this day, Jeremy swears that he did not kill the brother that Jasmine did.

And he's been 100% truthful about everything else.

56:57

I got to believe in my heart of hearts that he is probably telling the truth.

And I think she did slit her brother's throat and.

Well, we, we've kind of said this from the beginning, that she is the orchestrator, right?

Like she used him and right, yeah, 'cause Trench Coat and Raven were too smart.

57:16

Too.

Smart and could not be manipulated like soul take.

Soul Eater.

Soul Eater.

That's right.

Soul Eater, Apparently.

Stanky, Yeah, lives up to his name.

Yep, those stanky legs, stanky pants.

Yep, so.

What a douche.

Yep, so the So the wounds, Jacob's throat was slit through the trachea and all of the major vessels.

57:39

He had stab wounds to his face that were 2 to 2 1/2 inches deep.

He had fairly superficial stab wounds to his torso, but obviously the throat was the wound that killed him.

And kind of similar to the parents, he would have had some time lucid because he had to still bleed out.

58:01

Imagine it'd be pretty fucking quick.

I hope the stab wounds to his torso were after the slit throat because.

I don't think they were.

I don't think they were either, but it just, I just choose to believe that because I couldn't imagine being stabbed superficially to your torso knowing that the you know what's next coming.

58:21

You know you're going to.

So I'll even make it a little bit sadder.

The police, when they did the the investigation, one of the things that they found is lightsaber with his blood all over it.

He they they think he grabbed the lightsaber thinking he's going to be able to protect himself.

58:42

No shit.

Yeah, man, how fucked up is that?

That's fucked up bro. 1010 out of 10. 10.

Can you, can you, Is there anything you guys have seen in on the job that's even remotely close to that?

I've seen some bad shit, but that, that's pretty.

58:58

I would imagine that's a would would send a lot of detectives, police officers, firemen into retirement.

I mean, I don't know if I'm ready for that.

I mean, I've seen a lot of bad stuff, but to just to know the details like that, when you find out that a, you know that a lightsaber, you know what I mean?

59:16

Yeah, like that.

And that hits.

Yeah.

And his own sister, you know, like he's 8I guarantee you he loves his sister.

For sure.

He looks up to her.

He admires her.

Yeah, probably would be a little tiny goth.

Guy yeah, yeah, exactly, 100%.

59:32

And she could have been an example.

Instead, she says you're too weak.

So she actually, that is what they would say later, is that the reason that they killed Jacob is because she knew he was soft and wouldn't be able to make it without his parents there.

59:50

So it is mercy.

So was, in her mind, are mercy.

Killing.

Mercy killing, Yeah.

I don't.

I don't buy that.

No.

I, I, I think they, they didn't know what the fuck they were doing, honestly, you know?

Really.

Well, I mean, I know.

No, I agree.

1:00:06

You know what I mean?

And I, I think they, that last part was made-up.

I think they, they go fuck.

Well, let's just kill him.

Yeah, it's it's hard to even wrap your mind around it really is.

So Jeremy is freaking out about this time.

And this is per him and Jasmine.

1:00:22

They both say that he was out of his mind, like he couldn't think straight.

He couldn't talk straight, she tells Jeremy.

She's clear, everything's good.

She tells Jeremy.

Hey, calm down.

Wait right here.

I'm going to go pack a bag and we'll get out of here.

1:00:39

Yeah, she's definitely running.

The show and so she heads upstairs to get her backpack and throw some stuff in it and he goes outside.

He says he felt like he couldn't breathe.

And then he starts yelling hey, hurry up, and she's not coming.

1:00:55

So he says fuck it, I'm out of here.

So he jumps in his truck and drives home.

Oh shit.

Leaves her.

Yeah, leaves.

Her with the bodies.

With the bodies.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

So.

But that tells me something about him, too.

He was genuinely fucked up.

1:01:10

Like, concerned.

Yeah.

You know, that makes me believe where she's calm and he's the one freaking out that he was probably coerced sounds like it into doing that versus I know everyone looks sees a 23 year old with a 12 year old and the assumption is that he used her.

1:01:30

Yeah, yeah, at some, at some point, they kind of swap roles a little bit where she's the planner, yes, she's the orchestrator, but then he's also the older adult.

Technically, yes.

And can understand the consequences of what's coming down where she can't because she's still a 12 year old.

1:01:50

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

This is so.

Yeah, without a doubt.

So.

So.

Jeremy beats feet.

He's gone.

He's heading home, Jasmine.

And nowhere to be found.

No one will ever catch him.

Ever.

He's got free.

I would leave the love of my life.

1:02:08

Teehee love, Pookie.

Shit just got real.

Yeah, Yeah.

And then shit gets reeled and you leave the love of your life.

You're like, all right.

And just at this time, he lost his werewolf powers.

That's dude, and that's the saddest part, really is what it comes down to.

Yeah.

Is that sure?

It probably wasn't even a full moon, honestly.

1:02:24

It probably wasn't.

Yeah, that's his love.

Yeah, yeah.

Quarter moon tops.

Tops so so she ends up taking her mom's debit card.

She calls a taxi and then runs down to this 711 and gets cash.

1:02:40

So she comes back, taxi cabs there waiting for her actually just getting ready to leave when she ran up and said, I, I called you.

So she takes the taxi from her house to Jeremy's.

They Jeremy lives in a trailer house.

1:02:58

Not not too far.

It's a small town, so you're not talking about anything more than probably 10 or 15 minutes to get from one house to the other.

But but he's in a trailer park and they both get there.

They decide, Hey, let's get this bloody clothes off us.

1:03:15

They're still, you know, soaked in their, in her family's blood.

She took a taxi soaked in blood.

Yes.

She went to the.

No, no, no, no.

She had changed.

Oh, OK.

Yeah, she went in the house.

She went in the house.

1:03:30

I got no hope for humanity.

If we go to a convenience store, get cash, go to a tax cab soaked.

Yeah, you're right.

All right, him.

I understand.

Yeah, he's probably need.

Immediately need to go straight to the tampon.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like to.

It's real bad.

1:03:46

Don't ask any questions, I gotta go.

Yeah, so they they, he gets off his bloody clothes, they ditch it, they put it in a bag and ditch it in a trash can, and then they have sex.

Of course they do.

Kind of.

Yeah.

1:04:02

Smart the.

Grand.

Finale smart, yeah.

Yeah, hey, we got some time from now until the authorities find my dead family.

Let's go ahead.

Let's knock one off.

Yeah, yeah, let's go rub it out the.

Devil's got his dues, yeah.

Man, I, it trips me out still.

1:04:19

So I as soon as I hear again 23 year old and 12 year old having sex, it takes me back to he's a predator.

But then I got to remind myself this little girl is a little she's is a runaway devil.

She's evil.

Something's wrong with her.

When you meet a werewolf, you do it werewolf style.

1:04:37

That's right.

So so.

Dog.

Dog.

Yeah.

Meow.

Werewolves.

Werewolves.

It's a dog, not a cat.

There's no cats.

Are you sure?

Yeah.

Meow is a cat.

Oh, is a wolf.

You know what?

1:04:53

Where?

It's not called where cat.

I think you might be wrong.

Yeah, you said tomato, I said.

Yeah, you got to be annoying.

Right.

I'm totally wrong.

So.

So they meet up at Jeremy's Trailer Park and have sex.

Not long after this they decide, hey, some friends are having a party, let's go to a party of course.

1:05:10

Yep, Yep.

First things first.

Absolutely.

So, according to the partygoers, no.

One's shopping at the at the pet store?

Yep, the day after get.

In these Dog and All the partygoers, Jasmine and Jeremy were all over each other on a couch that was right in the middle of this thing.

1:05:27

They're laughing and damn near having sex in front of everybody on this couch.

Dogs can do that.

Yes, they can murder someone and then.

Just do it.

Do it like in the middle of the street.

Yep.

Yes, unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

1:05:43

Unfazed.

What's?

Amazing to me is like how many people could have?

Like how many people was she talking to wanting to kill her parents before all this?

How many people were Privy to what was going to happen?

How many?

People up there like, you know, that time she was like.

1:06:00

How many people read the post that he sent out to everybody?

Shit.

It just completely showcases their complete adolescence, right they?

What showcases that people really, truly don't think about other people.

Everyone's just wrapped up their own little worlds.

Well, well, I mean, they're.

1:06:16

Yeah.

I mean, they're both honestly 12 years old, right?

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

They're clearly.

There are a couple of preteen.

They have no freaking clue.

No, they really don't.

They think they, I think, you know, I, I truly believe they really think that they're going to ride off in the sunset and no one's.

Going to to their castle in Europe.

1:06:32

To their castle in Europe and you go, wow, that's super sad.

Unbelievable.

So, and we'll get to some of that when we start looking at the the court cases and how those went.

But they go to this party, Jeremy tells one of his friends.

We killed my girlfriend's family tonight.

1:06:50

I gutted them like a fish.

That was his exact.

Words confessed to random at a party.

Yep, and Jasmine is quoted as saying to that same person.

My little brother gargled.

Oh, that's when you said she.

Yep.

OK, Yeah, interesting.

So they're bragging.

1:07:06

They're bragging like, like, yeah, they're having sex, They're laughing.

They're bragging like, no fucking consequence, no remorse, no nothing.

Which again, blows me away.

I just, it's hard for me to understand the lack of emotion, you know?

1:07:23

It's almost supernatural.

Yes.

So back at the murder house, Jacob's friend and neighbor, a kid named Gareth, ran over to the house.

This is the following morning, right?

So so that happens at 4:00 in the morning a few hours pass light is out now Gareth, this kid Gareth, Gareth runs next door and he's been waiting to play with Jacob for a couple days I'm.

1:07:47

Kind of stuck on the name Gareth.

Yeah, hey.

Gareth here, can you guys come out and play?

Hey, that weird kid Gareth is here.

He smells funny.

In that house, it smells funny.

So so he goes bangs on the door and gets no answer.

1:08:07

So he starts looking through like the windows and this is like a like a Tri story house.

And so you can see into the basement pretty easily.

So he takes a look into the basement and he sees what he described as bodies on the ground not moving.

1:08:25

So he runs home and tells his mom that there were bloody bodies at Jacob's house and you need to go there right now.

And so the mom would go there, ultimately, and she's telling him all the way there, you better not be lying to me, you know?

1:08:41

And.

Yeah.

And she's thinking, this can't be, you know, whatever it is, he's got to be.

Well, honestly, truth be told guys, I'm a little shocked at myself.

I thought if you get murdered by a werewolf, you turn into a werewolf.

So there's quite likely 3 werewolves at this point in time.

1:09:01

They have no clue the danger they're in.

Thank you.

Is that what happens?

That's exactly what happens.

Yeah, yeah, vampires too, right?

And zombies.

That signs.

Are growing.

Yeah, that's how they science, that's how they broke, right?

Yeah, Look it up, dude.

I.

Took it up and the Jeep in the convention, yeah.

No, it's Stephen Hawkins.

1:09:16

Is this Stephen Hawkins?

Hawk.

OK, Yeah.

Not even.

Sleep with that.

OK, OK, time to move on.

I'm sorry, I sorry.

So Garrett's mom calls 911.

The initial scene was, as you can imagine, super chaotic.

1:09:34

Police knew Jasmine was missing.

They did a thorough search and their initial thoughts are she's kidnapped.

They think that someone came in, killed the family and.

Grab the young girl and grab the young girl.

Think that she orchestrated.

Right.

No, No one.

1:09:50

No one.

And.

And rightfully so.

They're completely clueless.

They think she's kidnapped.

They, they jump on things and they go look, send out an Amber Alert for this missing girl.

And the reason this comes into play later is Canada actually has very, very strict laws on juvenile violent crime offenders.

1:10:13

Interesting.

And so, yeah, so they can't, there's a lot of things with sharing their name, an image with the public that are illegal.

And so they didn't know initially.

They sent out this Amber Alert with her name, picture and the fact that she was in some way connected to these crimes.

1:10:33

And then they would find out as they start going through the house.

So this is all happening.

They put out the Amber Alert.

The main investigator calls the high school and talks to one of the guidance counselor's that Jasmine had seen.

The one I told you guys about that she tried to get to put her in a foster home, right?

1:10:51

And they just were calling out to her to get some phone numbers of friends to figure out if there's any way they could try and locate someone she might be with.

So as of right now, she's not a suspect.

She's not at all OK.

No, at all.

Not even remotely.

They think they're trying to right now.

1:11:07

They think they're doing to save her.

Right?

Yeah.

And so the guidance counselor says, hey, she's got a journal that's in her locker that has a lot of information.

The police can't legally get into that locker locker, but the guidance counselor can.

So the guidance counselor takes them to the locker and again, they're thinking they're trying to find information to save her.

1:11:28

They find in it this comedy skit that she had written like a little cartoon comedy skit and it depicted her family being burnt alive and killed by her.

Oh shit.

As she runs away with Jeremy to the castle in Europe and that put a September put a picture of it up there for you guys.

1:11:49

But that is her actual drawing that came out of her locker.

No kidding.

Yeah, complete with.

Fire.

Yep, and.

You does it say?

What's it say?

You gasoline.

Yes, yay.

Gasoline.

My family's dead.

1:12:05

Bye.

Yep.

Unbelievable.

Probably make that into AT shirt.

Which, you know, with, with, without this event is just benign, right?

It's just, I don't know, it's nothing.

I mean, it's a little disturbing, but you know.

Most certainly disturbing for sure.

1:12:22

That's pretty graphic for a 12 year old to be thinking that way about her family.

I would say.

So they see this and as you would imagine, immediately she's the prime suspect.

So on a whole other end of the world, right, the two fuckos.

1:12:41

We're starting to get scared now with all of the media coverage.

We what we we did a bad.

Yeah, we did.

Wrong.

What happened?

What?

We don't seem to be the one.

Of the rock stars we were.

Diane exactly let.

Me just see where this goes.

So, so they're getting scared, right?

1:12:59

A couple of the girls at the party they were at we're heading out to take another friend home to a town called Leader, which was about 77 miles from Medicine Hat.

So they ask Jeremy and Jasmine, hey, you guys want to go?

1:13:16

Seeing as you guys got apparently nothing else to do, they go.

Yeah, you know what?

You're right.

We don't got shit to do.

Let's let's go to Leader.

And so they jump in this other girl's truck.

Her name's Jenny, and it's a little Mazda pickup with like an extended cab.

1:13:34

So they've got two people in the front seats and they've got two people in that little extended cab area.

You know exactly what that looks like.

Yeah.

Which kind of sitting perpendicular to the front, basically.

Yeah.

So small.

Yeah, Yeah.

And so Jasmine and Jeremy, they jump in the back and they've got like a kind of like a tono cover over the back and they've got a blanket covering them, and they head off on this trek to Leader, 77 miles away.

1:14:03

The kid that lived in Leader, his name was Mick.

They arrived at Mick's house in Leader at approximately 11:00 PM.

Mick's mom was pissed off because Mick was late, hadn't checked in, yadda yadda yadda.

1:14:19

She also knew one of the girls that was with them, a girl named Kaylee, and she was like a frequent runaway.

She was one of the goth girls from the mall, and so she knew her and knew that she was.

Topic Manager.

Yes, exactly.

1:14:35

And so she knew who that girl was, and she wasn't happy that that girl was there either.

She also did not know.

So Mick's mom doesn't know what's going on.

She's got no clue about the murders or anything going on with that.

So she tells, she tells them, hey, get the fuck out of here.

1:14:54

They want to stay at her house.

And she's like, no, you're not staying here, get out.

And so it's 11:00 PM, it's cold as hell, it's in Canada.

They head out and leave her house and they got nowhere to go.

They got no food, they got nothing.

So they end up driving about 5 minutes down the road and they sleep in the truck until morning.

1:15:15

Shit.

It's going to be fucking freezing.

Yeah, ridiculous.

In there.

Yeah, so after a freezing night, they wake up and drive to the closest gas station to refuel, grab some snacks.

1:15:32

So kind of a crazy thing, right?

This this book that I read called The Richardson Family Murders.

Amazing book, super detailed about these crimes.

They go into some of the small like conversations that we normally wouldn't get on our show.

1:15:49

So these girls jump out and they go inside the store, the three of them.

There's a newspaper rack sitting there and it's got Jasmine's picture on it and a picture of her house.

And basically it says these murders happened and she's a suspect and her friends don't know at this point that that they don't know exactly what's going on.

1:16:16

So they're seeing this thing going.

What the what the Hell's going on here does?

It say what their thought process was at the time.

Well, like what?

What they think that they were doing?

So I don't know that they exactly knew, but we will get into that.

Their thought process was shitty.

1:16:33

They're shitheads.

But we'll talk about that in a minute.

So they're in there laughing, you know, yuckin it up.

They pick up the article and they head back out to the truck and she shows the newspaper to stanky leg and he says, oh, that doesn't even look like you.

1:16:51

And she says no, you know, it's it's a bad picture.

And they're loudly.

Like.

Laughing, You know nothing at all that would lead you to believe they just killed her family.

Are these girls also older?

I assume she's the only 12.

1:17:06

Girl no.

The one girl is 13.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, so on the good side now, right at the same time this is happening at the gas station, the police were still doing their thing on the other end.

With the bodies.

Yep, and so they had received tips from Jeremy and Jasmine's friends that Jeremy and Jasmine were probably headed to leader in a small Mazda pick up.

1:17:31

So they put out an APB.

Right.

OK.

And yeah, and this is kind of.

Cool work.

Yeah, great work, Johnson.

No, no, no, no.

It's the Mounties.

Oh, the Mounties, bro.

These are It works, Johnson.

A.

Right.

Who did 80 I do I?

1:17:48

Do Denmark?

I don't know.

I'm going to get it by the end of this.

You just need to add a.

OK.

OK.

I talk like you're from Milwaukee.

I don't know.

All right.

So APB goes out.

This is kind of cool.

They've got a rookie constable named Aaron Ewart.

1:18:06

There it is constable.

Is that the Mountie?

Is that a Mountie?

I think.

It's like a chief, right?

Chief of police a constable.

No, no, no.

Constable's like the lowest.

It's like a police officer.

So.

So a rookie constable named Aaron Ewart.

This kid is literally fresh out of the Academy.

1:18:25

I mean, this is his very first.

Teen eyes ready to go.

But he's not a werewolf and he doesn't have fetal alcohols.

He's got those things going for him.

OK, that sounds.

Yes, let's start there.

Yes.

Overqualified.

So this guy so.

Far.

He had seen the APB and spent that night cruising around town on the lookout to see, hey, are are they going to be in this town or not?

1:18:48

He doesn't find anything at night.

So he decides I'm going to go home, get a couple hours of sleep and then I'm going to jump back at this thing.

And so like, like I think 1 of you just said bright eye, bushy tailed, motivated change the world.

He's going to change the world.

So this guy gets up save Canada.

1:19:06

He Yep, he sets his alarm for 5:30 in the morning.

That's impressive and gets to the gas station before it opened so that he could park in a private spot.

And he's thinking to himself, OK, if they did go from here to there, they're going to need to get gas.

This is the biggest station in the area.

1:19:23

This is probably where they're going to want to come.

No.

Shit, really.

Yeah, so he heads out and parks and.

And so as you guys know, this is where their worlds intersect.

That's what's happening with them.

1:19:38

They're looking at an article, laughing, yuking it up, and he's there watching, going, okay, this is most certainly them.

Constable Ewart was patient, did a great job.

He didn't engage them right away.

He said he wanted to kind of figure out what exactly was going on, gather more information, more Intel before he.

1:20:00

Started set the trap.

Started pulling guns right.

Well, when you roll up on a 300 year old werewolf, you want to yeah, tip toes.

In Silver Bullets, Silver Bullets.

That's right.

Oh, here's a funny story for you too.

So, so he's parked, right the cop at at that gas station parking lot, a local guy in the town.

1:20:20

This is such a small town.

Some guy strolls up to the police car and knocks on the window.

He rolls down and says, hey, did you see them girls in that gas station?

He says, yeah, yeah, I saw him.

He says one of them didn't have shoes on.

1:20:36

And he tells the guy, I don't remember his name, but Earl or something.

You know, he's like Earl, Earl.

We got this buddy.

Cruise on home.

Go straight.

Don't.

Don't go back in there.

And.

And Earl's wanting to fucking chew the cud with him.

And it's such a small town that.

1:20:51

Earl, fuck off.

Yeah, Earl Stakeout.

Yeah, Case Earl, you're on a what?

So I.

Don't want a stake?

Literally like out of a fucking Seinfeld sitcoms, you know?

1:21:10

Yeah, I'm sure.

They're like super polite, like Minnesota people, you know, a bit like in Canada.

Oh, sorry.

Oh.

Hey on, did you see the girls on there?

They got no shoes.

Yeah.

So anyways, hey, what's Martha making for dinner tonight?

So Constable, like I said, he waits.

1:21:32

The kids eventually drive away and they go just a couple minutes down the road to the nearby high school and they park in the parking lot there.

This is where the constable calls in for backup and I crack up too because again, small town backup was one guy.

1:21:50

It was just, it was like his buddy John or something, you know?

Or like a volunteer.

Yeah, Yeah, Cadet, Yeah.

Cadet.

Yeah, maybe that guy he just gave gave away his.

Cover Yeah, it was Earl.

Yeah, it was Earl, Yeah.

Fuck yeah.

So.

Turned you away, Earl, but could you cover me now?

1:22:07

Earl, I'm going to need some backup get.

You some sunflower seeds and A and an energy drink.

And a soda pop.

And a soda.

Pop.

At approximately 7:25 in the morning, they move in to make their rest.

Jenny, Casey and Kaylee were approached and they were in the cab of the truck.

1:22:26

So Earl comes up and basically handles the three girls in the front.

Constable Ewart comes in and lifts the Tonneau cover, pulls the blanket, and underneath the blanket is obviously Jasmine and a werewolf.

1:22:44

And he says that before he pulled the blanket, you could see it moving up and down.

And he Yanks the blanket off and yeah.

They're in here if you just.

Be quiet, they'll never know.

1:23:02

So moving.

You're kicking me.

So.

So he pulls the blank.

Rub my belly.

Rub my belly.

She's, she's down there with her pants off and Oh dear, Yep, down there with her pants off and his.

He looks up at the cop and in his hand he's got purple bath beads that he drops.

1:23:20

What?

Yes.

OK, I'm not going to even go there.

I have so many questions but.

Don't ask a.

Menu forward, Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, think about the scene though like it's.

The dog collar bro.

It's almost funny to me.

I'm just imagining this in my head.

1:23:36

You know the sheets going up and down.

You pull it back and a guy drops his anal beads on the ground that he's using on his 12 year old girlfriend.

Jesus Christ.

Hey, it's a 300 year old ritual, OK?

Just leave us alone.

That's true.

It is far more classy than.

It sounds back of a pickup truck is always the most romantic spot to have.

1:23:55

A young werewolves.

Yeah, young werewolves.

That's right.

So all five were arrested.

And like I told you, one of you guys had asked what was their like mental state?

The kids, the fucking idiots they're, they're in there kicking the plexiglass out of the police car.

1:24:11

They're telling them to fuck off.

The girls are talking and the one girl's telling another girl you need to say he raped you.

Like this is how out of their mind these kids were.

But at the same time very manipulative, right?

They, they were very aware.

1:24:27

I mean, I, I just can't get it.

I, I don't understand it.

At some .1 is the orchestrator, and on another instance that one is the adult.

You know.

They switch on off and they go well, they.

All started when they were babies.

Like when I, I mean I, I can only like attest to like when I was 12, I didn't know shit.

1:24:45

It never dawned on me to go to a counselor and say I want to be in foster care.

I didn't even know what that those words meant.

You know, I mean, I, I suppose that's fortunate for me, but man.

You are a helmet kid though too right?

What's that?

You wore a helmet as a kid.

I still do, yeah.

1:25:02

Yeah.

No, that's a fact.

Yeah, that's a fact.

Yeah.

Don't you know that's a fact?

Yeah, that's a nice helmet, Yeah.

That's a nice helmet, Josh.

Shiny.

I shine it every day.

So here's another funny one for you guys.

So Jeremy tells one of the girls, right, he's getting arrested.

And he says, tell my mom I love her and she can have my TV that she.

1:25:20

Bought for me, Yeah.

Yeah.

I laugh and I'm like, dude, you're.

It's just like that's what you're worried about with.

Their family, yeah.

And and his mental, yeah, you're for sure as a mental ability, a traumatic.

Brain is just a fetal.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is what they think.

Yeah, But yeah, you can have my TV.

1:25:38

Never had a fucking chance.

No, it's crazy.

That's sad.

Yeah.

So they get scooped up and taken back to Medicine Hat.

Now you can't get.

Over that name, either medicine.

I know that is ridiculous.

Only in Canada, Yeah, the.

So this is where we start getting into the interrogations, which I talked a little bit specifically about because there was some fucked up shit that happened on the interrogations too.

1:26:04

So first of all, interrogations of use in Canada, like I was telling you guys are super tricky because they have a basically a child protection law that was created specifically for times like this that draw out line by line what can and cannot be said with them.

1:26:25

And it gives you a check sheet of the things you have to ask them before you can ask any questions.

It's very, very precise, OK.

And unfortunately, the two officers that were doing the interrogation, they either didn't know much about the law or just didn't give a fuck because they really didn't follow any of the guidelines that were set forth.

1:26:50

Here's this is funny too.

So you got an older cop been on 20 years, right?

His name's Officer Cole.

And then you got another one.

Constable.

He's a constable.

And then you got another one named Officer Sheehan.

He's 35 years old, younger, on the job, good looking guy.

1:27:08

He's basically, you know, Lance Carlson.

Yeah.

Sound of that?

Yeah, I know.

Sexy.

Yeah.

Sultry voice.

Really sultry voice, kind of smoky air about him, yeah.

So you get it.

You get it.

So.

1:27:24

Definitely doesn't shit his pants often.

Often Oaken Hickory.

That's right.

That's right.

So.

So they decide they're gonna try spin on like the good cop bad cop, where they're doing like this father slash friend.

1:27:40

But it's it's Canada, so it's like nice cop less than.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so the 19 year veteran goes in first Gray haired dude, you know, older, looking like ice picture like a Ned Flanders in my head.

And he goes in and starts trying to do the whole dad.

1:27:58

Game on her, Liam.

Nielsen not going to work on this thing.

Yeah, exactly you little fucker.

I know you are.

Yeah.

He, Yep, he came in.

This dude's dad took off when he was a pup, A pup.

A pup.

And he?

Murdered his ass.

So, right.

1:28:13

Yeah, exactly.

Something like that I.

Don't know.

And what we do know is.

That exactly like that.

It might be a little off, but.

You know, like like Rob said.

Wait, what did you say?

I said pup.

No.

Yeah, referencing him as a young werewolf.

1:28:30

Get it now?

Oh you fuckers.

Catch up, pal.

Come on.

So.

So up a few rungs.

So like you said it, it didn't work.

She's not having any of that, right?

And I think we all could have predicted that.

So then the other officer comes in.

1:28:48

He's the young, sexy officer, Lance Carlson.

This is where the bulk of the mistakes were made, Lance.

All right, Well, shit.

The.

Fucking good looking asshole.

So in the book it it goes down all of the conversation that they have because it's all recorded and documented so you you can read all of it.

1:29:11

I didn't it was too much for me to write in here and there was too much conversation.

But basically what he did this cop is he flirted with her to be, you know, to call it what it was he.

Intentionally to like, yes, yeah.

Well, to get her on his side.

1:29:28

Yeah, OK yeah.

And he tried to manipulate her.

Well, yeah, And it's just creepy.

She's 12 years old.

Yeah.

And he's.

He's got to do what he's got to do.

Yeah, I get it.

But like, he's literally flirting with this 12 year old because I think, well, obviously he understands like, well, she's having sex with a 23 year old so clearly.

1:29:47

An older man thing.

Yeah, I can't talk to her like a 12 year old because she's not acting like a 12 year old.

Right.

And that's but I'm thinking, are you thinking like he was flirting with her to like?

I'm thinking it just was creepy.

Oh, it was weird.

He wasn't.

1:30:03

Using that as a tactic to.

No, he get.

Her to confess.

Yeah, he was.

What the fuck?

Are we on the same podcast?

Well, no, I didn't know if he was like, hey, this, this chick.

You've asked that question twice, he answered.

The first truth, Yeah.

1:30:18

Is that what happened?

I'm fucking, I know I'm high, but fuck Lance, give me a fucking.

Fire.

You're fine making.

Me question fucking reality, right?

Now, well, the third time I was really going to wrap it around, OK, thank.

You 8 * a charm.

Yeah, good luck in COP.

1:30:35

So so at one point Jasmine even tells him.

She says I like you.

You smell good.

Not my boy.

Not like, stanky.

Stanky.

Yep.

He's got a new stank now.

Bacon.

Canadian bacon.

So Jasmine, that's right, she initially tries to feed she handsome bullshit lies, but they knew more than Jasmine had anticipated.

1:30:59

So they were able to go, hey, look, stop right now.

We know that's not the truth already.

So your best bet is just to be honest with us.

And they made some other mistakes, like they basically, you know, they didn't get her a lawyer and at some point she didn't ask for one.

1:31:15

No, it's not.

It's the same in the as in the state they do.

Yeah, they do, yeah.

And it's not Miranda rights, but something of the sort of yeah.

And so they fucked that up too.

Which sucks because there were a lot of things said in these conversations that ended up being inadmissible in court because they didn't follow the rules.

1:31:34

Crafty lawyers.

Yeah, it's, well, not only that, but it's amazing that she even asked for a lawyer at 12 years old.

You mean like?

Dude, I don't know.

I mean, you know, I've got a growing theory with this and you guys are going to go you crazy, Rob.

This bitch got fucking her fucking soul transplanted with a demon from her fucking wicked Mama.

1:31:54

Oh boy.

Yeah, oh boy.

Yeah, there's some possession that this, I'm telling you it's plausible.

All right, yeah, it's plausible.

All right, so eventually she hands able to get Jasmine to tell for the most part the truth.

1:32:11

He gave her paper and like a felt tip marker and said, why don't you write an apology letter to your family?

That'll probably help you feel better.

This fucking son of a bitch.

Yeah, fucking brilliant.

Yeah, it is actually pretty good, Yeah.

She starts singing like a fucking.

1:32:26

Connection and she takes them up.

Right on the offer, dude.

Moving on.

Oh shit, Yep.

Boo does.

She draw a little picture.

I.

I want a cartoon.

Picture this this policing.

So I actually.

Hold on this, this policing done in Canada is much.

More.

Well, I thought what you said in the beginning of this whole deal is that is that.

1:32:43

Down here in the States.

So I actually have right here the that letter that she wrote her apology letter, right.

So she is this going.

To be Part 3 or we.

No.

OK, so she writes.

Dear my loverly parental units, I'm writing in response to the events of Sunday morning.

1:33:03

A terrible thing happened, something I feel was all my fault.

You must know I love you all dearly and are in my prayers.

I wish peace upon your souls in the Summerland, which is a Wicca thing.

Wow, Yeah, she's been.

1:33:20

To my little brother right again, Lance, I apologize for letting you hear what had happened.

Also for causing you any pain and for frightening you so much.

To my parents, I hope you know that through all that has happened, I loved you the whole while.

1:33:37

I wish I could take everything back.

I wish it hadn't happened.

I wish you were with me right now, because now I have no one.

I pray you can forgive me and Jeremy too, because he was under the influence of mind altering substances and did it out of love for me.

1:33:53

He is most possibly the kindest person I've ever met. 12, his wish being for my happiness.

Through all the fights and hatred exchanged, I still loved you.

I'm sorry my sarcasm was taken to heart.

I never meant to harm you.

I pray you can be at peace somehow.

1:34:10

That's from a 12 year.

Old.

That's from a 12 year old.

Insane.

It's from a demon.

Well, yeah, 300 years old.

Her soul because of her wicked Mama.

Wow, no kidding.

Absolutely.

She still never really confessed anything.

Well, she just said that she was sorry that that stuff happened.

1:34:26

I mean it most certainly.

Damning.

Yeah, so get this, it gets a little bit better, right, with the cops.

But you talk about creative police work, the cops say hey, listen.

Or at least the the cool cop, right?

He says, hey, I'm gonna do you solid because I like you.

1:34:42

You and Jeremy are nice.

I feel for you.

So if you got any letters you wanna pass to him, I'll deliver him from your cell to his cell.

I won't look at him, you know.

OK.

And so she's like, Yep.

So they're, of course, being a genius as they are, like, yeah, fucking great, man.

This guy's awesome.

1:34:57

If I just don't sign my name, they'll never know what's.

Him, they're not gonna know.

What's that's right?

Yeah, that's right.

Right.

So sign it off Soul Eater.

Soul Beater.

Soul Beater.

They'll never know.

So I've got some letters, right?

So, so again, they passed a shit ton of letters.

1:35:14

So I, I, we can't read them all in the interest of time, but I do have some ones that I thought you guys would get a kick.

Out of I'm interested.

So April 26th.

Dear, this is from who to who?

This is from Jasmine to Jeremy.

OK, got it dear my loverly bustante.

1:35:30

Bustante, yes.

Please, please don't be sorry.

I'm the one who needs to be begging your forgiveness.

If only we ran.

Yes, but don't obsess on what could have been.

In due time, we shall have our castle.

I'm not whole without you.

1:35:47

I love you with everything I am.

I'll never stop.

And my promises shall be kept, however desolate it seems and shall become.

Take it one day at a time, it can only get so bad before it gets better.

I will be with you in spirit.

1:36:04

I hope you're doing all right, however large a task.

Please don't stress out too much.

Having your sanity might be helpful.

More than anything, I wish to be with you and hold you again.

But until that time comes, know I love you, XOXOXO.

1:36:20

Enjoy and sorrow, my sweet 666 Jazz.

OK well this takes me back because 666 to me is a little satanic but now that goes kind of against the whole little Pagan thing with the wicked thing.

So I'm so confused.

1:36:36

But I do know this all stems from her child up.

I guarantee he writes back.

What are you wearing?

Yeah.

Actually. 999 because.

Yeah, yeah, 'cause he's the fetal alcohol thing, Yeah, yeah, he's.

1:36:53

Just dyslexia.

Yeah, yeah.

So here's another letter, you say, writing back.

This is from him to her, OK, he says.

PS.

The rebuttal?

He says no, this is not a response to that.

I know this.

Is one down the road for the dramatic and flair for the show.

1:37:08

So you said you want to get engaged, then here's a cue.

Will you marry me?

If so, then it is a verbal agreement.

Dear Jazz, I love you more than life itself.

I've added you to my visitors list so once you're released, please visit after.

1:37:26

Never forget how much I care or that I love you.

We can keep visiting each other till we can be together again.

Without you.

This life isn't worth living kisses.

The thought of being with you is all that is helping me stay somewhat sane.

1:37:41

We shall be together again, I promise.

Stay true to your promises and I shall to mine.

Casey continues to lie.

I wish I could hold you right now.

Stay strong and continue to write me please.

I need you.

I love you, I miss you.

Kisses X0X 0X0 Your lover Jeremy.

1:38:01

Teehee teehee teehee.

Wow.

This is the kind of shit that they're.

True romance.

True.

Romance, I mean.

That's what everyone's looking for on Tinder.

True romance.

Is is morbid and dark as it is.

I mean, they are actually in love.

1:38:17

They are.

And which doesn't excuse the fact that they're eleven years apart, right?

And he's 23 or, yeah, you know, he's still a piece of shit.

But I mean, she also the way she writes, the way she acts, the way she conducts herself.

It's movie material, yeah.

Big time it is.

It really is.

1:38:34

As all this is going on, Jasmine and Jeremy, to the little goth crowd are like heroes.

You know, they're literally like the movie that they that they all know.

Yeah.

So the girls are hanging out outside the prison and holding like, candlelight vigils and crying.

1:38:57

The boys were going to these concerts and this is what they called it, moshing for Jeremy.

Shit, I think you're going to say Howling.

How they did.

That too.

Jeremy.

Jeremy.

1:39:13

CAT spells dog.

Oh.

So they're moshing for Jeremy.

Unfucking believable.

We're cats again.

So there were actually kids, though, that were at these same concerts that they would get into it 'cause they're see these people moshing for Jeremy, yeah, crying for him and they'd.

1:39:36

They know the story.

The story's out.

They'd want to beat the shit out of these kids, like, hey man, people were killed and you're out here.

I think I'd be on that team, yeah, yeah.

That's yeah, I would say so, yeah.

Jeremy's.

Team sanity, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's not all cracked up, but.

Yeah, it's a little boring, yeah, but yeah.

1:39:55

So Jeremy's interrogation was pretty fucking easy.

He busted out the truth right out of the shoots.

He's like.

He's like, fuck it, yeah, I'll tell you whatever you want to know.

It was all her.

Yeah, there's a part on Goonies.

Remember that little fat good.

Tell me everything you know, Chub.

1:40:11

Yes, right.

That's.

What time in the theater?

In your third grade, I mean this time like this.

That's a fucking.

Dude, that's a classic.

It sure is.

Yep, that's.

Exactly what this freaking so think he's.

Doing yeah, he no, he comes right out with the truth and the one thing that was really different is what we know, he says.

1:40:34

I did not kill her brother.

Jasmine killed the brother.

And he's so simple.

He ain't lying.

No, he's not.

Probably not lying.

He's not lying.

Simple Jack right now, man. 100% this is simple Jack.

So Jeremy said This is one of his quotes.

1:40:50

She cut his throat, man.

She cut his throat and didn't even cry.

So she's fucking possessed, bro.

There's nothing you're going to tell me.

Right.

Otherwise, I agree with.

You.

Well, she's evil, I will give you that.

That's a summon spirit from Wicca Mama keep saying it Yep, you guys are making fun of me, but it's.

1:41:06

So we have Mama Drama, Yeah.

So this is another funny one.

Police had one little trick up their sleeves to get a little bit more confession from Jeremy.

So they're transferring him from, I'm assuming, like the Medicine Hat police station to the prison.

And they decide, hey, let's set up an undercover police officer as a get him to talk more.

1:41:26

Yeah.

And so, wouldn't you know it, he spills the fucking.

Beans, you know.

Like within seconds he's he's laying in on this dude and it's funny man.

I there were just a couple things that that I highlighted here because I thought you guys would get a fucking kick out of it.

This was like an hour plus long ride.

1:41:43

So there's a lot of conversation that happened, But one of the things he told this other prisoner is my old lady's father fucking.

He's a big guy, said Jeremy Fucking.

When he came at me with that screwdriver, I was scared shitless.

I thought I was going down.

1:41:59

I screamed, 'cause I thought he got me, eh?

And I just stabbed and like, fucking yeah.

I'm like, I was surprised I came out on top.

I thought I was a dead man.

And the other guy says no shit.

Then what happened?

The last thing I really remember was him laying on the ground and asking me why, and I said, 'cause you treat your daughter like shit and she wanted it this way and fucking and then that was it.

1:42:24

And then I was upstairs and I watched my girlfriend cut her brother's throat.

It didn't bother her at all either.

She didn't cry or anything.

In fact, the next day when we were on the road fucking, she was laughing about it.

She's got a few screws loose too.

1:42:39

She's a Wiccan, eh?

She practices all that witchcraft.

She's all spiritual and shit.

Told you.

Yeah, I gave her a bottle of my blood.

I'm gloating.

I'm gloating.

Told you fuckers.

And you, Lance, you mocked me.

1:42:55

What did I mock you at the beginning of this show?

Rewind.

Re listen.

I will re listen.

And I do recall.

Yeah, I was right.

And you were?

Wrong.

What were you right about everything?

So I'll just chalk it up to that then.

All right, so we move.

On from that so.

I chuckle.

1:43:10

He calls her his old.

Lady, old lady.

Yeah, that's the way she his 12 year old old lady.

Yeah, I got AI got a kick out of that.

I was like werewolf ears.

Jesus.

Yeah.

Wow this is so fucked.

Up, yeah.

So the case didn't go to trial.

1:43:27

Trial.

For a little over a year.

And actually, Jasmine took the stand by choice, which was crazy.

Typically in cases like this, in particular with youth, they don't do that.

She's not a youth, bro.

She's a demon.

Yeah, should be true.

1:43:44

So just succubus that's.

Right.

So.

Yeah, when she.

Gets on the stand.

She.

Claims.

It was all just talk.

She never thought Jeremy would really do it.

Well, actions speak louder than words.

This is true.

Her lawyers.

Also claimed she was under the.

1:44:00

Spell of a sexual predator, you know, so they're, again, they're putting it off on Jeremy.

Yeah, yeah, she's a manipulator.

Yeah.

So.

She has, as you guys would guess, a.

Shit ton of.

Psyche valves that were leading up to the trial and she was diagnosed with conduct disorder and opposition oppositional defiant disorder.

1:44:23

I'm assuming you got that too.

I was just thinking to myself, yes, I think I just came with actually.

A disorder?

Are they just making shit up?

They're they're swimming.

Upstream, man, it's just salmon swimming upstream.

Desistance disorder.

Yeah, you're, yeah, you're smelling.

1:44:38

Your own farts is what's going on.

You're you're a therapist who smells your own farts, yes, and you're.

Making up words.

Yes, yeah, they've all I just.

Yeah, so anyways, so I will say this, they all need.

Therapy we've.

Themselves.

1:44:54

We.

All are in agreement.

I think this.

This is a little.

Chucky child.

She's rotten, but she's a fucking demon.

That being said though, I think you and I had.

Talked about this too.

Rob, the 12 year old mind we know scientifically is not formed completely.

1:45:13

So they can't process certain information the same way you or I can.

One of the things that they lack is the understanding of consequence.

And so there is a side of this that although she's shown me more than enough to go, I don't care, you're evil, you got to go.

1:45:33

But there is still that real side that look, she's 12, you know, she is still a kid, right?

And that's the part that's I keep battling within my own self.

I want to hate her, but then I want to feel sorry for her that she's a 12 year old getting raped by a 23 year old.

1:45:50

Basically, I would think that if you told the story to any, you know, just a normal person.

Without giving any details like that, they would say this is a fully grown woman, like the way she speaks, the way she acts.

As a matter of fact, On the contrary, no, they call her a fucking demon.

Well, fully grown demon, but On the contrary.

1:46:06

You tell.

The average person what Jeremy would write T he and you go, that's the 13 year old.

Yeah, you're right.

You're absolutely just relate these two.

You take everything.

You guys are.

Saying and relate it to the possibility of being open minded, that she could have been possessed because of the energies that her Mama.

1:46:26

Oh for the love of tea, I'm telling you fuckers.

Oh my God, fucking tell.

I'm glad you're.

Talking about this so they will know.

It depends.

On if they use Azron crystals.

Telling you there's a correlate?

Oh, it's just a.

Coincidence.

Right.

Right.

1:46:42

I don't, right?

It's just a quick are you some kind of a wizard or something?

Not a fucking male Wick yourself.

Are you a Wick?

I'm just telling you.

Dude, it's plausible all.

Right, it's plausible.

I don't know.

I.

Think, I think we're going to have to keep a closer eye on him.

I'm just saying it's not a hard no.

Except that.

1:46:58

Yeah, OK.

So fucking motherfucker.

The good thing is with the.

With the.

Mental.

Diagnosis is.

Are they didn't have any bearing on her punishment because in Canada.

Wait, did you say diagnosis?

Diagnosis multiple she's.

1:47:14

Got a multiple shi's going on.

So because of her age, the sentence.

Imposed had to be 10 years, the least restrictive as possible while.

Still holding.

Her accountable because she fell within that youth law.

1:47:32

So on November 8th, 2007, Jasmine was sentenced to the maximum six years in custody and four years in the community under supervision.

So, Lance, I know you're getting ready to hit me with the math quick.

Yeah. 2017, she was released.

1:47:50

That's insane.

She was 22 years old. 2222 in 2017.

Too bad she doesn't have any more.

Family members to murder and no soul and no soul.

Yeah, and soul mate, because he's in a federal pound.

You.

Yeah, the werewolves in.

Yeah.

1:48:06

Cornhole prison.

Just her and her.

Well, she's possessed.

It's the.

Demon carrying on in her human perform.

Well, is it still in her?

You know, so you're.

The semen Demon.

Dude, can you say that?

No, you can't even joke.

Like that.

That's.

Well, she's 22 now, yeah.

Now you're bringing ridiculousness.

1:48:23

She's a real.

Science, dude.

Oh.

Come on, stop it.

All right?

It's biology.

So.

True or false?

The research that I did.

Based on what you sent me, she changed her name.

She did OK.

She did.

So she's out.

She's out.

Oh, yeah, she's out.

General Pop.

Absolutely.

She was 22.

1:48:39

And her name?

Had to be held in a criminal database for five years.

And as long as she had no other infractions, which she didn't, she was eligible to have her records expunged.

And she did do that.

No shit.

1:48:54

Yeah.

So not only there's no record, no record.

Not only is she.

Free, she can.

Apply for jobs.

She can do whatever she wants with.

Yeah, she's still got to be like even more fucked up than she was.

She can't be living a normal.

Life.

How long?

She chose like some Wiccan name, I don't know.

1:49:10

What is a Wiccan?

Name, Last name please tell.

Me give me.

Just go.

You're the wicked expert.

You're the one.

You're the wizard.

Yeah, you're the wizard.

You're the.

One saying that she's possessed by all sorts of.

Demons.

Micah, there you go.

Okay, then that's what it is.

So.

Wittyish.

1:49:26

It's like seaweedyish.

All right, I'll buy that for a dollar.

So.

Not you, bitch.

So one of the things that I kind of took note of and this kind of gets to what you were just saying, Lance, is that the therapists weren't allowed to say a whole lot about her diagnosis because HIPAA, yeah, hip something similar, right?

1:49:48

So, but we do know is this they said that.

She didn't.

Show remorse for things that she had done and she really seemed to have no feelings at all one way or the other.

She's just so straight path because she's, well, possessed.

Yeah, clearly.

Yeah, Ding, Ding.

1:50:04

Two against one.

That's right.

What is it in Ghostbusters?

Who are the demons?

The Remember the goblins, the green dudes, Rick Perry or or the guy with the.

Glasses, Rick.

All right, let's move on.

Rick Perry, Yeah, I don't think that's his name.

So.

1:50:22

I thought that was interest, interesting for me, that it was interesting to me that she didn't have any feelings about this thing one way or the other.

You would think after all this time, time to think.

She's getting older, her brain's developing nothing, nothing.

So.

And unfortunately, because of privacy laws, we're never going to know the true extent.

1:50:42

No, it's because she was possessed and the demon has left her.

She has no.

Conscious recollection of what those things were at the time that she was.

Yeah, that's I mean that.

But we're just stating the obvious with that though.

So Jeremy's trial began on November 14th, 2008.

He was found guilty on all three counts of murder.

1:50:59

They came back like in basically a day.

Didn't take long.

Blamed him for her brother's murder then, huh?

They actually did.

He was sentenced on December 15th. 2008 and given life without the possibility of parole for 25 years.

1:51:17

Yeah, for 25 years.

I can't math that.

Sorry, I don't like that.

Yeah, yeah.

So.

Doesn't equate and reboot he's.

Still in prison.

And.

It's unknown if he and.

Jasmine still communicate, but he did end up linking up with another girl.

1:51:34

She was one of the little 12 or 13 year old mall rats from that same goth group that had followed him through all of this and kind of worshipped him.

So he's he was dating her, at least as of my last research and from prison, from prison.

1:51:51

And they're planning on getting married when she turns. 18.

Oh, smart.

Yeah.

Yeah, another winner.

She's not 18 yet.

No.

She can't even.

Go visit him in the prison yet, because.

Her parents won't sign for her and.

She's not old enough.

Wait, that math doesn't add up.

She was 12 back.

1:52:08

Then I don't, I, I don't, I don't remember what age.

No, this was in 2000. 21 was most of this information.

Oh, it was three years ago.

Yeah, again, we had to obviously break.

This thing into two parts.

That's just too much and too much detail.

I think to I feel like it's not over yet.

1:52:25

Just I know I want to know where she's at right now.

And who's live she's ruined.

Or I.

Looked up.

I looked up the name.

The name's available, I didn't see it.

Yeah, look it up.

Can you, you know, Rob, maybe it?

Starts with an I maybe?

You're you're on to something.

Where the?

Reason why we haven't heard anything.

1:52:41

Else is the demon left her body yeah she's a totally and she has normal person now has no mental the demons on to his next remember that what was the movie?

With John Goodman when he would touch.

People and Denzel Washington was in it.

Time.

Something with time.

No, it'd be like and the demon was in.

1:52:58

But if then if they touched it would.

Go from me.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was fucking.

I can't remember the name but that.

Was a good movie.

Yeah, I remember just watching.

That Firehouse is.

On your side.

Yeah, that one.

Yeah, that movie.

Yes, it is.

Yep, is on my side so steals.

1:53:15

You thought it was like in time or something that maybe not.

No, that's not it.

God, but hey, I'm sorry anyway.

You slice it fellas, that.

Is the ending of the Richardson family murder.

You know, we do a lot of disturbing stories and.

1:53:30

This one certainly wasn't the most disturbing, but oh, for me it was no.

Well, I mean for the age, but I mean the eight-year.

Old man that's you could.

Admit the yeah, that that's that's.

Well, I'm thinking of Kobayashi.

Eating the eating the Wiener is probably one of the more disturbing ones where the guy actually got answered a Craigslist call in Germany to to his own death.

1:53:50

It eats his own wing.

It eats his own wing.

Yeah, so I mean survival.

Stab, stab, stab, stab girl, survive.

Remember that 10?

Yeah, Jesus.

Yeah.

I mean, all of these are hands.

It's horrific because absolutely.

Well, that's it fellas.

Let's.

Clean up.

All right, Get the dishes, Lance.

1:54:06

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1:54:36

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1:54:53

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