Abraham Shakespeare

Abraham Shakespeare - What would you do with $30,000,000 won in the lottery? For dinner tonight, the boys explore a familiar yet chilling story of the dark side of sudden wealth and the potential horrors that come with it…trust no one.

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We do got a little shake up for today.
Crazy Rob Anders is going to be an absentee.
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Those of you that know us know he's also a he's a retired firefighter and a critical care nurse, so
talked to him a little while ago.
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He actually had a parachuter today that chute didn't open and fell from about 100 feet.
Why do you do that?
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Yeah.
That's a good question.
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That's always our question.
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Why'd they do that?
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You just got to pull it.
Just give a little tug.
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Yep.
So he's not going to be here with us.
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So who we have is the famous Kenny Cooney Roman Nits.
There you go wrong way Roman.
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I'm wrong way.
Roman 1010.
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Cut.
Kenny Kung Fu Kenny.
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Kung Fu Kenny.
That's true.
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We got all of them.
He's got a slew of nicknames.
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I do.
I'm proud of them too.
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You'll leave.
Here, That's because you earned them.
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You earned.
There's a story behind every single one of those stupid nicknames of yours.
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Yes, there is.
Well, thank you very much.
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Well, you're welcome.
And I'm just glad to be a part of them.
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So got.
A video to show you.
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So this is a good episode and I'm super excited to do this with you guys.
It's one, it's going to, we're going to have a lot of room to bust balls and joke about this thing.
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But two, it's just an interesting story.
And so question for you guys to start this thing up.
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Well, actually, let's go back to the beginning.
Welcome.
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There we go.
Welcome to dinner at the Deuce because.
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At first I didn't feel welcomed.
No, I kind of felt that's right alone.
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So, 72 house dinner at the Deuce.
Pull up a chair, it's time to eat.
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Let's eat chow.
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Outstanding.
I'm Víctor García, to my left Kung Fu Kenny Roman, and to my right fancy Lance Carl.
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I like it.
All right, so let me start this off by putting out a request.
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So anyone that works in a field where you deal with emergency based services and see some of the
craziness that comes out of that world, whether you're a nurse, doctor, firefighter, PD, you name
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it.
Or just a civilian that has a crazy story because my. 100% a lot of.
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People don't know this, but my, my brother pulled someone out of a fire because it's just really,
yeah, just walking past you just and you got burned.
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No shit.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
That's a good point, Lance.
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Civilians, anyone with a story that we could get and tell on this show and laugh about it, joke
about it and put it out there.
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Yeah.
All right.
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So please do, if you got any of those stories, send them in to us.
Don't forget to put in the subject line.
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How about cool story?
Just put cool sweet story dude.
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Yeah, bro.
All right, so let's get back to where I was at.
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Yeah.
Any question, Kenny?
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Yes.
And this is a short one.
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Don't make me slap you and cut you off.
It'll be sweet.
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OK.
You win the lottery tomorrow.
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Yes.
What are the first things you're doing?
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Well cataran would be one OK hookers and blow.
Just like your dad.
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Yep, Yep, that's impressive. 2nd and 3rd actually, I think they kind of go together.
I think it's that's just one thing.
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Isn't it?
I would give Kate a cool million to say hey this is your money, the rest is mine, let's have fun.
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Now get out of my house, yeah?
No, no, She can get the house.
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Oh, you're going to.
You're going.
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To I got the camera.
Good point.
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Good point.
Good.
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Point, so don't win up.
Let's go out for milk.
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Let's say you win 500 million.
Who?
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Who else are you making rich?
Oh well, that's easy.
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Nobody.
Yeah.
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We won't even see Kenny Kenny.
Kenny will fake his own death and be.
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I'm not going to fake, you know what?
I might crash another fire truck and then pay for that and say hasta La Vista baby.
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And then you'll really say.
That would you keep working.
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No, not with 500 million.
I'm I'm.
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Out.
I think that's FU money, isn't it?
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Yeah, that's enough money to wear.
No FU money.
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Like, yeah, no, I'm saying like that's enough money that you're set and your kids are set, and then
my wife would be set and I'd have a good time.
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Yeah.
So.
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I'll make sure I didn't have one dime by the time I was dead.
Leave on an empty tank.
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That's right.
That's my money, nerd.
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I mean, you ain't getting shit.
So what do you do?
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You win the lottery, Lance, What's your?
Well, I mean, obviously other than the obvious hookers and blow.
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Yeah.
OK, yeah, we'll Fast forward.
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Yeah.
Let's just state the obvious.
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That's given.
Just kidding babe, I know you're listening.
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So just you.
When I say hookers and blow, I mean when, yeah.
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You know what I mean?
I I.
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And some candy, yeah.
You know, on the, on the Firehouse, we, we do this a lot.
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We always pitch in dollars to.
So this, this conversation is not new to the Firehouse.
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And you know, I think I, I think I'd be a generous person.
I think I'd be one of the ones who certainly took care of the people who helped me and, and took
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care of me or believed in me or, you know, whatever it was for sure.
And and also On the contrary, if if I haven't talked to you in five years and go ahead and eat shit,
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you know the only reason why you're talking to me is because.
Now, would you be worried about family members because I've seen in my family where money has torn
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apart and they feel obligated, or then you have people that come out of the woodwork and but hey,
man, you know, like just family extended or like together, like my sister wouldn't do that, but my
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aunt might, you know?
I think with 500 million, I suppose you'd be fairly generous, but with like if you were to win like
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let's say 3 million people think 3,000,000 is a lot of a lot of money, you know, and I think people
would come out with their hands stretched out going, hey, can I have 300,000?
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Like dude, that's by the time taxes and 100%, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't have what you think I have, you know, And so I think there could be a lot of burn
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bridges there.
But with 500 million, I mean, I would be surprised if you won 500 million, gave me a million and I
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was your family member and I get pissed off that I only got a million.
I mean what?
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Kind of.
It wouldn't shock me.
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Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And probably even more so.
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People probably take people to court.
You hear that too?
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Yeah.
Well, that's a piece of this story.
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Too.
Is that right?
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OK, well let's get to Why do you ask?
I ask because this week's episode is on Abraham Shakespeare, who was a fella born in Florida.
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Can you?
Say that one more time, Abraham Shakespeare.
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Abraham Shakespeare.
What a fuck that his.
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Real name or?
That's his no, that's his real name.
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That.
His rap name?
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Nope.
Not even his rap name, that is.
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That's bona fide mom and dad.
OK, Yeah.
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That yes.
So Abraham born in Lakeland, FL April 24th 1966.
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Which you go, OK, he's not that much older than us.
That's a good year.
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The car in the car industry anyway.
Yeah, the 70s sucked.
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They did.
Yeah, shit got ugly in the 80s or worse.
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Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Abraham, he didn't come from money, generally had a rough start to life.
He drops out of heist.
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Oh, I'm sorry, he drops out of school in the 7th grade and goes to work in the citrus Groves.
This would this would have obviously been in the 70s, right?
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He was the late 70s and he was barely able to read and write.
So that's.
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What happens when you drop out of 7th grade?
Tough, yeah.
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I I still kind of can't read and write, so who am I?
That's true.
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We're firefighters, yeah.
Makes sense.
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That's why we wore a helmet.
Yeah, exactly.
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So he clearly.
You'll see.
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We'll paint more of this picture, but you know, he's not a guy who came from money or knew what to
do with money or had any kind of system around him to help him know what to do with it because he
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didn't know himself.
So pretty much every professional athlete.
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Or yes, basically or people.
Or people in general.
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Yeah, that's yeah.
It's not a new concept.
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I mean, I didn't know how to read it right until I was 18, but I made it.
Yeah, and check you out.
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Yeah, and.
You're still, yeah, can't read for shit.
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Yeah, that's right for shit.
So that's what dyslexia does for you.
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When?
When?
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I'm just saying you get a placard on your car, you know, you're just, you're just, that's right,
you're taking.
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A park at the.
Front of the grocery store for that one.
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Yeah, you get to park closer than everybody.
I can do that.
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You're winning.
When when Abraham was 13 he got arrested for theft.
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Sounds like he was doing like some low level burglaries.
He was sent to what was called reform school at the time.
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In actuality this was a state-run juvenile detention center.
He goes in at 13, doesn't come out till 18.
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Damn.
Gladiator School.
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That's crazy.
That's rough and it to me it shows you at least in the 70s, right, the system was so shitty that you
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would think if a guy went in at 13 to 18 he would and he's got nothing to do but be there.
They would at least teach the guy to read and write, but even that wasn't done because he left there
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worse off than probably when he started.
I think that even happens today though, you know, unfortunately I don't think a system, I think it's
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probably even gotten worse.
Yeah, you're probably to, to an extent, I think you're probably right.
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People get out of prison and it's probably very tough to.
Yeah.
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Mostly repeats anyway, you know?
Yeah, they just repeat.
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They don't know anything, Yeah.
They can't.
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Yeah, yeah, I get it.
So when he gets out right, and just like we said, he's having a hard time finding employment and
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he's just, he's not marketable.
He can't read or write.
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So he's he's struggling.
And you know, the world is a little bit different in the time that he was in there.
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You're now you're transitioning from the 70s to the 80s and things are changing fast.
So he basically is resigned to work in odd jobs, primarily day labor type jobs, pretty much the
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stuff we would be doing if we weren't firefighters.
That's.
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Yeah, we just lucked.
Out it's still the citrus industry because sound like he was driving there.
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Yeah.
And so he's a day laborer basically.
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He has a son that they named Moses with an on again off again girlfriend named Amber Moses
Shakespeare.
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That's right.
People are crazy.
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I know man, those you got to love.
It calling that name at the park.
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Moses Shakespeare.
What's the middle name?
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Got to have a good yeah, no doubt.
So he that was with his on again off again girlfriend Antoinette, and that was in 98.
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So although Abraham and Antoinette eventually broke up for good, by all accounts he stayed in Moses
life and was the best best father he knew how to be.
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You know, again, that's perspective.
You know, there's not much that.
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He's a relative.
Correct, correct.
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So he has a second child in 2008 with a different girl named Santoria Butler.
And I tell you these names because these are going to come into play here in a little bit.
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So there is a lot of names.
I'm not going to bullshit you and I don't want to hear no shit about land the fucking plane and this
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and that.
If this is going to be a little bit longer. 1 Abraham is the the guy Abrahams and then his son is
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Moses, his son's Moses.
And then another son Jeremiah that was born in 2008.
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And that was with Santoria.
And we'll get to we'll get to all of that more in depth.
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I said he was a good father and that he spent time with his kids.
He didn't disappear and all those things, but if you looked at the history of his child support
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payments, you probably wouldn't know.
He was frequently behind on payments and even locked up at one point for just missed payments.
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To put it kindly.
I.
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Guess that's a weird system.
But he's just surviving.
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He's pretty much check to check and job to job.
And you know, not not to beat that way of life up, you know.
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You it could be an honest living, especially if you went to jail for when he did, you know?
Yeah, he's just trying to make it.
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Absolutely.
All right.
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Lightning strikes.
OK.
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We painted the picture of who Abraham was, and I think that's pretty accurate.
Figuratively not real lightning kind.
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Of that's right.
Yeah, yeah, there's no lightning in here.
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So on November 15th, 2006, Abraham was working on a truck as a truck driver's assistant.
So basically he was there.
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Yeah.
No, I didn't know that even.
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Existed.
Road trips are long.
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If you know what I'm saying.
Exactly.
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You do a little.
Time.
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Yeah, The rules of the road.
Exactly.
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That's right, No asks when in Rome.
Yeah, yeah, luck.
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He basically is there to help the guy unload.
Oh, I'm sure.
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Shit.
Right.
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Yeah.
Yeah, loads.
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The stress.
He's on his way with his Co worker, a guy named Michael Ford to Miami.
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The two decide, hey, let's make a stop at this convenience store.
It's called the Town Star convenience store and it's in, I don't know Florida for shit, but frost
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proof Florida.
And they go, hey man, let's pull in.
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Let's get some drinks and some smokes.
Just the bare essentials, Harry.
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That's right.
Why not?
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That's right.
We got a long road ahead.
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Yeah.
Give me some condoms.
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What?
Why?
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Do we need those?
Why do we need those?
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Michael goes into the store and he asked Abraham, hey, man, you need anything?
Want a soda?
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And he says, no, but get me two lottery tickets.
And he gives the guy $2.00 of the $5 that he's got to his name.
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And he gives them two and says, hey, grab me two lottery tickets.
So Guy says yeah, sure.
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Man, now, is that guy obligated to get some money if he went, so you know what I'm saying?
Like no, Would you feel obligated?
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Like, hey man, you know?
Possessions 9/10 of the law.
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I'm thinking you know what I mean.
Probably not.
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You're my assistant.
It depends on how close you know.
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Yeah, it depends how close you are with them.
Well, I'm just saying like he drove them there, so.
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It was on a company dime.
OK, fair enough.
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It.
Wasn't on his own dollars.
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All right, So Abraham would find out that night that his life was about to change forever.
He'd purchased the winning, winning lottery ticket with a $31 million jackpot.
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Hey, that's something.
There you go.
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But that's right, that cusp of it's not 500, you know, it's not quite a few money because I bet, I
bet the government's going to take a big ass chewing out of that one, huh?
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That's enough that a bad weekend and a cocaine habit can.
Make it pour again.
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I've been there for sure.
Yes.
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Now that this is in 2006, not the 80s, right?
Yeah, 2006 he.
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Ain't living off that.
No.
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Well, he could, He could, but it would take someone smart to invest his money, right?
And he obviously like we talked about, he didn't have those resources available to him.
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So he hits this $31 million jackpot and you know, as we all know that have played the lottery, you
get the choice between a lump sum or basically annual payouts.
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If you take the annual payouts, you get paid more money over the long haul.
But obviously most people want the cash now, right?
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There and then.
He decides hey I'm taking the lump sum cuz workers.
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Don't take IOU's.
I found.
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That out, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
That's true.
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So he takes the lump sum, $17 million out of the 31.
After the IRS gets their little piece of the pie, he walks away with 12 million.
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Holy chunk of chain 31 to 12. 31 to 12 now, like you said, at 31 we said huh, that ain't fuck you
money. 12 most certainly is.
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Oh.
Yeah, Nope.
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Nope, not at all.
That I could do a lot that might that might get you on a modest income that might get you the rest
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of your life, You know, that might retire you.
Yeah, depending on where you're at, but not not if you're going to be buying.
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Yeah, if you're going to spend like a fool, yeah, that ain't lasting.
And not invest, Yeah, that ain't lasting.
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But I'm sure he doesn't know that. 100% he just so.
Yeah.
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But the yeah, it might as well be a 10 billion.
So, Kenny, this is this is funny.
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You were just talking about it.
What do you think is the next thing to happen to Abraham after he wins the lottery?
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If he's a man of like me, he went to Vegas.
He's in prison somewhere, yeah.
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Maybe.
Yeah, sure.
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But I ended up there somehow.
So you.
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Guys, next thing to safe account, you can't defend it.
You guys touched on it.
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His Co worker Mike decided hey I want a piece of that pie.
Baby people are coming out.
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Huh.
Yeah, no.
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Day one, so.
I walked in there.
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This guy, Mike, he claims that Abraham stole the lottery ticket out of his wallet that was in the
basically the glove box of his truck and he demands no less than $1 million from Abraham.
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All right, that's that's that's suspect right there.
Dude, where you go?
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It's mine.
You stole it, but I'll take a little.
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Bit I'll take a million. 100% complete commotion.
Yeah, no, I want to be.
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Honest too, man.
I'm taking it all.
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Yeah, you take my money.
And Abraham probably would have gave him some anyway.
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You know, it's funny you say that because there this went to trial and he lost to a jury that
Michael lost and didn't get a penny.
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And Abraham said after the trial, you know what's funny?
I'd have given him 3 or $400,000 if he just asked me.
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Instead, you know he went, and now I'm not giving him a penny.
Good guy.
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Good.
Yeah.
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Yep, he doesn't.
Seem like a terrible dude.
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No, no, he's not.
He really isn't.
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Like, like I said, he's not by any means.
Like I said, I wouldn't put him as necessarily the most intelligent man in the world, but he, by all
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accounts was a very nice guy.
Yeah.
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And good hearted.
Good.
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Hearted and I'm sure like the the times he did break the law was like out of necessity, not because
he was trying to.
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I can't put his, you know what I mean?
Yeah, he wasn't a bad person.
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I mean, his name is Abraham for crying out loud.
His son's Moses.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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You can't go wrong there.
Kind of feel like I've named my kids wrong now.
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So.
So that loses the lawsuit.
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Lose so Mike loses the lawsuit and Abraham said you know basically hey, welcome to being rich, buddy
yeah so let's talk about his new life because obviously things change for.
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Him.
He's no longer Did he get a boat?
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Did he get a boat?
He didn't get a boat, but he did get some cool shit.
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I'll tell you about that.
He, at the time he lived with his, he initially lived with his father.
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His father passed away and then he moved in with his mother and basically, like I said, he did these
odd day jobs and he also was like a regular, like kind of we see this all the time at in on our job
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where we go to certain places like a Circle K or whatever and it's the same people hanging out there
all the time.
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He was one of those people hanging out at the local convenience store.
Having a social life.
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Some.
Swishers she that's.
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A living It's happening.
That's good living.
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So yeah, that's that was his thing.
And so, you know, as you talk about changes that are going to happen to him a lot.
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Like a butterfly.
Like a butterfly.
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So First things first, right?
Say goodbye to the ghetto and.
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No more assistant for old Ayor.
Now he's going to QT.
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He's.
Balling now.
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Hell yeah.
So he purchases a home in a gated community still in Florida, $1.1 million.
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Hey, that's, that's fairly modest.
That's.
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Not bad, you know.
I would have thought he would have bought a 12 minute R like if I buy this out cash.
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Shit so to get paid off.
Taxes.
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What the fuck exactly?
What is that shit all about?
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I paid this year in cash, now you want my cash.
Yep, and honestly all those things kind of happened so so 1.1 million for the house, which like you
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said is not horrible.
It's a good chunk of that money, but not horrible.
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So he really didn't do too bad though.
He bought the house, He purchased a BMW750I, Yep, which you know, not too bad.
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And he went and bought himself a Rolex.
But to give you an idea of his thought process, he's like, hey man, I ain't paying full price for
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that shit.
So he went to the pawn shop.
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Did he really?
He did.
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He told me.
This guy's not smart.
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Yeah, he's got to figure it.
Out.
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Hey, he's street smart.
Yeah, he ain't book smart.
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Oh.
Man at a 12 he only spent one on a house, paid cash for it getting had a fairly modest car and went
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to the pawn shop to get a roll.
This guy, I like this guy.
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Yeah, that's that's my vote.
Yeah, 100%.
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He's he's definitely street smart.
He understands that game.
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So he was also super generous with his friends.
We talked about how we would do this if it were us.
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And as you can probably imagine, motherfucker started coming out of the fucking woodwork wanting,
you know, Cousins and.
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Friends never say anything, you just disappear.
You get a lawyer.
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You clam up, change.
Your name legally.
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So it's funny you guys say that that.
All will become normal name.
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Oh really?
Oh, I'm excited.
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Yes, so so he really as time went on struggled with this because he felt like, hey man, everyone's
trying to get something from me and it kind of fucked him up for a while.
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And so I'm not sure how this happened, but the state when they, because he owed back child support,
like I told you guys, the state when he got that money they made, they were basically like had a
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lien so they could come in and take their money that was owed so.
Really.
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Have a lien on somebody?
On a person on a.
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Person.
I mean, I don't know that that's the right terminology, but something of the sort, you know, he he
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basically any money that he took in that was taxable, they could take money for his back child's
brother dude.
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And so they.
Gave you.
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So, yeah, yeah.
So the state did that, and somehow they made him put $1,000,000 in a trust fund for his son.
22:12
Bad.
Yeah, no, it's not bad at all.
22:14
OK, now I'm.
On side of the state.
22:16
Yeah, it's not, it's.
Not the state goes you're an idiot.
22:19
I'm going to make you save your money for your kid.
But I'll be honest, I I didn't know that that could even be done.
22:24
But yeah, I didn't.
It doesn't sound legal.
22:26
It's not bad, but it doesn't sound legal.
Yeah, it didn't sound legal, but no.
22:30
OK, so and like I said he owed $12,000 in back child.
Support.
22:35
Oh, that's chump change.
It chump change.
22:37
With that, but it's.
Here's 24.
22:39
That's a lot of.
Money 1 seconds.
22:42
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So all of his friends described him as a guy who thought with his heart, not his head.
22:52
With that being said, he gave away or loaned out large fucking chunks of money.
See that's that's the problem man.
23:00
Yes, and here's what I would say though.
He did loan and give away large chunks of money, but he hooked up the people that took care of him
23:10
when he needed help.
Like I told you, when he got out of the juvenile detention center, he wasn't employable local.
23:18
A couple local business owners in the community and we'll talk about them, gave him jobs and things
to do that they really didn't need, but they wanted to kind.
23:27
Of create a position for him.
Yeah, exactly.
23:29
And so he did take care of those people.
So I don't work with that.
23:33
Yeah, I don't want to beat up on it too bad.
But he also paid off people's mortgages.
23:38
He gave people huge loans and gifts he paid off for friends and families, like medical bills.
He paid for a couple of funerals.
23:46
You know those loans are like handshake loans, like you promised to pay me back, right?
Oh, 100%.
23:50
Right.
You wouldn't like I got you have it notarized or anything like that that's.
23:53
Right, that's an IOU.
Best word.
23:55
You better keep this one.
Yeah, that's a good one.
23:57
That's a good one.
This one or two 100% A.
23:59
Lot.
Yeah, this one's a lot.
24:00
That's.
As good as money, Sir.
24:02
So he even paid like some people he didn't even know he paid their college debt, you know, like he
was he did some good things.
24:09
I'm not going to lie, I.
Like this guy?
24:11
Yeah, he did his best, like I said, to take care of the people that really took care of him.
For instance, when he was broke trying to find a job, one of the local businessman, a guy named
24:22
Yousef Zaid, who was he?
They called him Poppy, but he owned a this called a Super Choice Market in the neighborhood and gave
24:31
Abraham a job.
And so Abraham wins this money and he loans Yousef $1,000,000.
24:40
Hey.
OK.
24:41
Yousef, but he that's a that's a fairly sizable that's a that's his mortgage payment.
You know what I mean?
24:46
Like that's a, that's a loan.
Yeah, he loans him 1,000,000 bucks for what I don't know, I assume business related stuff, but but I
24:57
will say this, the loans that he gave were a little more than handshake.
Typically he the 'cause he gave out a number of loans, he actually had them secured with property
25:07
and whatever really.
Yeah.
25:09
So there was some things that happened that you go to.
Read and right, he sure is kind of rarely.
25:14
Well, like I said, he's not, he's street smart.
I mean, he's not which what the I'd say mainstream, you know, population would call intelligent, but
25:23
he's not a dummy.
So if you don't pay pay the loan, I take your house?
25:26
Exactly this guy.
Cut your knees off.
25:29
So another example of Abraham's loyalty to his friends was a local barbership owner, a guy he met in
1999, Gregory Todd.
25:39
Greg, like Yousef, gave Abraham work to earn a few extra bucks.
This guy Greg was on the cusp of losing his mom's house, which had been in the family since 1920.
25:51
Their great great grandparents had purchased the land and his mom had just passed and they owed 63 K
basically of debt to pay this thing off so they wouldn't lose it. 1920 Sixty $3000 How big is that
26:06
house?
No, probably No 63 now they owed so so yeah.
26:11
So he lends.
Property tax, probably.
26:14
He lends Greg 63,000 to pay off this debt.
And I want you to remember Greg because he's a huge, huge part of this story to come.
26:24
Greg.
Greg is not Youssef.
26:27
Well, Yousef.
Too Yousef not so much, but Poppy, but Greg for sure.
26:32
His name is Poppy Poppy.
Yep.
26:34
And so, like we said, the long and the short of it, Abraham had no financial professionals to help
him make any kind of decent decisions and a lot of people did take advantage of him.
26:44
Not too bad.
Yeah, but you know what?
26:46
It's, you know, it's coming.
That's people.
26:50
Yeah.
You know, you know it's coming.
26:52
Yeah, I think we don't know it's coming because we see it more though, too, you know, the
selfishness that people have.
26:56
So for sure, for sure.
So I talk about people taking advantage of them.
27:02
Enter the stage DD more that a woman, that's a woman that's a woman and you'll see.
I already know where this is going.
27:12
It's not looking good for April.
No.
27:14
No, no, she better be a hot stripper.
No, a lot of blow.
27:17
She is.
She is none of the above.
27:19
Oh man.
OK, so her name was they called her Dee Dee but her name was Doris Emma Donegan.
27:25
She's born on July 25th, 1972 in Riverview, FL.
Let.
27:31
Me see this picture.
So 72 she's she's just a few years older than us.
27:35
So Dee Dee, from all her parents, all all of the interviews with her parents, she had a normal
childhood.
27:43
She was a Girl Scout, a member of a Bible study group called the Missionettes.
Yep, sounds like fun.
27:49
Yeah.
Not.
27:50
Thanks, Dee Dee.
She was a cheerleader in middle middle school and joined the ROTC in high school.
27:57
She looks like a wrestler, yeah.
So so that's why you say that like.
28:00
Bathing suit pictures.
Cheaper.
28:02
She scares the hell out of me.
She's a big bitch.
28:05
Yeah, she looks like she can handle.
Something she's 6 foot.
28:08
Oh.
Geez.
28:09
Yeah, she's 6 foot and she's built like a tank.
Oh.
28:12
Really nice to meet you.
What the are?
28:14
You sure?
He Yeah, sure.
28:16
Like.
Yeah, no, Abraham didn't date her because.
28:19
Her hands were no.
Bigger than her atoms out.
28:21
OK, yeah, no, no.
So we'll get to house where her part in his.
28:25
Life.
Oh, OK.
28:26
I thought it was like the typical girlfriend.
Nope, Nope.
28:28
Oh.
So any.
28:30
Picture of his girlfriend.
So and we are going to get a little bit in depth with Dee Dee because she's such a big part of this
28:35
story.
OK, so we are going to talk quite a bit about about her right now.
28:41
So Dee Dee went to high school and most of the kids that at that school were well off.
She didn't come from money.
28:51
Her parents were basically blue collar workers and she was very self-conscious about it.
She would make her parents drop her off a block away from school because she was embarrassed about
29:01
the car her parents drove.
So.
29:04
A bus?
Yeah, because her dad is probably 6-8.
29:08
Yeah, no shit.
No shit.
29:10
I would have dropped her off in front anyways just to tick her.
Off you know what I used to.
29:13
Do that too.
I used to make my mom drop me off because we had a station wagon.
29:18
Yeah, But she was the.
She was the teacher.
29:21
And so, yeah.
That makes sense.
29:23
That's.
But I.
29:25
The teacher part makes it bad, yeah.
Yeah, there's nothing I can do.
29:28
Is it?
Is it shitty?
29:29
Six?
You're fucked.
29:30
I know.
Yeah, but then.
29:32
You're going to be riding in the bottom of some trash cans for sure.
Hey, easy.
29:35
That's.
Why?
29:36
That's why he got big.
Yeah, that's.
29:38
True, I got tough.
Dude, yeah, that's true.
29:40
Put you in the truck.
Can so we had the same thing.
29:42
A buddy of mine had this.
Old.
29:44
Beat ass red Volkswagen.
We called it the red ball of flame, and we would park like fucking 1/2 mile down the road at this
29:52
church, Mormon church, because we didn't want to fucking pull up in the parking lot with that hump
of shit.
29:58
Yeah.
Well, my brother had a like a really beat up truck in LA and we used to go party in LA like the
30:03
Roxbury's and we'd pull up in a nice like club like and it was just beat the hell and he'd valet it
and toss the beach.
30:12
Don't get a scratch on that.
A scratch in my car is a scratch in your ass.
30:18
He didn't care.
All right, so.
30:20
Moving on, moving on.
So after high school, Dee Dee followed her mother's footsteps, her mother.
30:25
So I made a mistake.
So Dee Dee's parents are actually the one that's HVAC and nursing assistant.
30:31
So Abraham's dad was indeed a an A retired Air Force guy that then went to work in the orange
Groves.
30:37
I see.
OK.
30:37
Yeah, so sorry about that.
Dee Dee follows her mom's footsteps and gets her nursing assistant certification.
30:45
I will say this, Dee Dee, as we'll come to find out, is evil to the core, but she is a straight
fucking hustler.
30:53
Like she she don't fuck around.
And I don't know if it was like if she's born that way or if having those those things about her in
31:03
high school, self consciousness, if that factored in.
But her desire to be at a higher station in life than she is is strong.
31:12
So 19, she gets this nursing assistant degree.
Just before Dee Dee turned 20, she marries a guy named James Darrell Moore.
31:22
James Moore.
So remember that name too, because that comes in towards the end of this thing.
31:26
Locked in.
Put in the vault.
31:28
So this guy Darrell worked with his dad in an excavation business.
Basically he operated heavy machinery.
31:35
Dee Dee and James lived in a trailer on his parents property and after about 2 1/2 years of
marriage, they had their first child, a kid named Robert James and they called him RJ.
31:49
So this is Deedee's son, right James?
And again, lock it in the vault because that name comes back too.
31:55
Like I told you, Deedee was super anxious to improve her financial situation.
So she takes a side job selling prepaid phones and like cell plans, you know, So you figure this is
32:08
in, you know, this is let's see.
So she's only 20 years old.
32:12
So you're talking about early 90s?
Right.
32:14
Yeah, yeah.
And so that's where cell phones were just starting to.
32:18
She's younger than.
Well, no, might be late 90s, right, because late 90s, yeah, because, yeah, early 90s was beepers
32:24
because I had a beeper.
Yeah, for.
32:26
J the king of beepers.
Yeah, he was indeed.
32:30
So you know, initially she was trying to do things I think the right way.
She got married, she had kids, she got jobs, she got her nursing assistant degree.
32:37
She was moving I think in a in a good direction.
So the cell plans and the phone stuff that was going OK, she's putting a little extra side money in
32:46
her pocket.
But she was smart and ambitious.
32:50
That type of personality, as you guys know it really can draw people to you or to people like that.
There's something about people that, you know, like a brayer that are successful that you see and
33:04
you go, man, I want to be around that.
I want to be in that atmosphere.
33:07
I thought you were going to say my name. 1st no, I was gonna and then I just.
Didn't all right.
33:11
Didi was like that.
As a nursing assistant, she worked at this place called the Arcadia Healthcare, and there was a lady
33:17
that worked there named Karen Desalvo.
And she was one of those people who kind of fell into Didi's trance, if, I guess, if you would say.
33:25
And, you know, we can think there's, I know people like that for sure.
Like, yeah.
33:29
Like, not not in a bad way, but like Collier or Coker, you know, those guys have that like Fonseca,
that personality that just draws people to them.
33:37
Didi had that.
Kenny Roman.
33:39
Kenny Roman.
Oh, yes.
33:42
In 2004, Deedee convinces this Karen Desalvo and her husband to go in with her on a cell phone
business.
33:51
They called it all about cellular.
And Didi was the president, Karen was the VP.
33:56
And I think her intentions were pure at that time.
She thought, hey, legitimately, we can start this company and we can, you know, make some good
34:05
money.
But the business didn't last long because didn't take long before something else shiny popped in
34:13
the, you know, in her eyesight and she was off chasing something that she thought was bigger and
grander.
34:18
You know, the thing that she started chasing was the the healthcare place that she worked at.
She got in real tight with the bosses.
34:27
She was a hard worker.
So they loved her.
34:29
And she convinces them that they need to open another one of these healthcare places in a different
part of town.
34:35
And it's she tells them, hey, it's right for the picking.
We're going to make a bunch of money.
34:40
And so they buy into it and they open this other business and they have DD running it.
She's, you know, running the whole thing like payroll everything.
34:49
'Cause she's a nurse.
'Cause she's a nurse, right?
34:51
So makes sense.
Give her all the money.
34:54
So not long after opening this new location, as you guys could probably guess, this is where I for
me, I think things start really going South in her life.
35:02
The bean counter start noticing spikes and spending and you know how that works.
They start an internal investigation and when you know it, Dee Dee was skimming money to the tune of
35:14
about $60,000.
What she was doing is overpaying employees and either taking the additional money or splitting it
35:23
with the employee if they were kind of in on the fix, you know.
And so I chuckle because I think to myself, the most crafty mother effers I know that will find a
35:35
some kind of a slithery way through a fucking situation are firefighters get this right, She owes
the 60 K.
35:43
Well, she's basically, you know, fraudulently stolen $60,000 from this company.
And you would imagine this by total fucking chance, the facility has a fire that somehow all of the
35:59
the equipment and the stuff that was in there that was of high value was out.
The only thing in there that burns to the ground with the fucking building is her.
36:06
All of the records that were needed by that company to prosecute her.
Convenient.
36:11
How fucking convenient, right?
But.
36:12
She really lucked out on that one.
Am I right, boys?
36:14
Yeah.
Total chance.
36:16
Like, like was all the stuff like just sitting out in the driveway and like, Oh my gosh.
It had been moved to another facility or something like that.
36:24
And so like totally obvious, you know, and So what ends up happening is the case kind of gets a
little shittier because she burned all the fucking records and so her and the healthcare place
36:36
eventually settled for 25,000 of the 60, but of course she never fucking paid them anyway.
So really good smart.
36:43
Yeah, yeah.
That's.
36:45
Good.
Too much money, hey?
36:45
Man, you got your equipment back, you know, 100% Oh, it even.
You should be lucky.
36:49
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
36:51
How much money I saved you?
So that happened to her, right?
36:54
And then just not long after that, she's caught and charged with shoplifting in 1999.
She was 27 years old and she was given probation for that event.
37:08
In 2001, Deedee and her husband were evicted from a home they were leasing, and Deedee was arrested
for writing a bad check. 418 bucks that same year, so you can see, man, things are kind of spiraling
37:23
a little bit.
Yeah, for her poor decisions.
37:25
Starting to see a pattern.
Yeah, yes, yeah.
37:27
And I think like you said, Kenny, like poor decisions are leading to more poor decisions.
And it's it really, yeah, 100%.
37:36
And it really is starting to spiral on her at this point.
But very.
37:40
Poetic Kenny, by the way.
That's right.
37:42
You're just jealous you didn't say it.
That's.
37:44
True.
So even with all this, DD manages to purchase a a new Lincoln Navigator.
37:52
She pays 50,000 for this in 2001.
Dang, Yep, that's impressive.
37:56
Yeah, 50,000 in 2001.
I mean, I'd say that's probably the damn near the equivalent of 100,000 in today's money.
38:02
Like you're buying a high end vehicle.
Yeah, when you got no money whatsoever.
38:07
You know, you can imagine.
Of course she buys this navigator, but she's not making the fucking payments.
38:15
And so this is where things.
Yeah.
38:17
What?
That's you know that's going to affect your credit, right?
38:20
I don't.
Think she if she knew that she never would.
38:22
Have done no.
OK, So she's not paying the loan.
38:26
So that obviously spurs threats of repossession from the bank.
And this is where things get great, right?
38:35
And this is where I think she really spirals into the next level of crime.
Someone finds, and it's basically a motorist.
38:44
They find a dishevelled woman on the side of a road.
She's got her wrist bound.
38:49
And she would end up telling the police that three Hispanic males blame it on a Mexican.
Ain't that a bitch?
38:56
Wait, where's she in Florida?
In Florida it.
38:59
Ain't Mexicans, They're Puerto Ricans and Cubans.
And Cubans.
39:02
That's right.
It's all holds this story.
39:04
Holes in the shit.
Right there.
39:06
Yeah.
Hey, Johnson.
39:07
This lady is full of shit.
She doesn't she know there's no Mexicans?
39:10
Yeah, no, no Mexicans.
Close the case.
39:13
Yeah, it's all Puerto Rican.
The Cubans, Yeah.
39:15
So she says these guys abduct her, rape her at gunpoint, throw her into a ditch and they steal her.
Navi, what horrible luck she has, right?
39:24
Yeah, that's a six foot holder out there who can handle herself.
She's an HVAC specialist and a six foot lady.
39:30
She literally I got my money on her.
She's a heavyweight.
39:33
I don't care.
Literally.
39:34
Yeah, so she told the police that these guys were kind of hamming and hawing, and they decide, hey,
we're not going to kill her.
39:40
But they tell her we better never see you again and you need to go dye your hair blonde and I'm like
what the fuck?
39:48
You, you, you got it.
Too much detail.
39:50
Too much detail.
Now I know you're lying.
39:52
Yeah.
Almost had me at Mexican.
39:54
Yeah, you know three of them because you're 6 foot you.
Dye your hair?
39:58
Yeah.
Dye your hair?
39:59
Nah, no one.
'S going to say that.
40:01
Why the fuck would anyone want you to dye your hair blonde?
Whoa, yeah, what absolute dumb ass garbage is?
40:07
That dye your hair blonde.
Yeah, so anyway, a few days later a man from a nearby county calls PD and he says, hey, I saw DD
40:16
story on the news and that missing navigator, it's in my garage and so.
How do you know that?
40:24
Yeah.
Is he Mexican?
40:26
Wait a second, wait a second.
This is not adding up.
40:30
The man tells police that an acquaintance asked him to store the vehicle That man was located and he
told police Dee Dee had this plan to frame one of the Co workers.
40:43
Oh geez.
Oh my God.
40:45
Yeah, at the cell company she worked for.
And the plan was basically to frame her for this auto theft, and that was payment for her snitching
40:56
her out about, you know, fraud that Dee Dee was committing.
She hatches this elaborate fucking plan.
41:02
I would come up with a better plan with.
That you would think, right?
41:05
I mean, that's a horrible plan, yeah.
I'd drive it out of state, you know, not even in the same place.
41:12
Yeah, 100%.
So a third man comes forward and says hey, I was the driver that dropped DD off so that someone
41:22
could discover her bound and gagged, right?
Wait, so did did she not file an insurance claim on the navigator?
41:29
So she had to have.
She had, yeah.
41:32
But this was more about revenge and framing.
At least part of it was.
41:36
Yeah.
Two birds.
41:38
One.
Yeah, exactly.
41:39
I think that's exactly what it is.
Two birds, one stone.
41:42
Make money.
So this girl's gonna get, so get this, you guys will laugh at this.
41:47
So that guy says, yeah, she paid me to drop her off.
He goes.
41:50
He says we're driving down the road.
She's ties her hands and she goes, tells him slow down.
41:56
He slows down.
She opens the door and fucking jumps her ass out into a ditch.
42:01
Yeah, she's committed.
Yeah.
42:03
Oh, I like this shake.
I'll give her that.
42:04
She's committed, yeah.
That's fucking.
42:06
Commitment.
Yeah, it is.
42:07
But who tied her up, though?
She did.
42:09
She tied herself up.
That's impressive.
42:11
She raped herself.
Yeah, you know what I heard about that part?
42:16
Better story.
I should have been hooking up with this guy and say I'm really into this and, you know, drop me off.
0:00
So it's a good time all that, right?
42:24
Yeah, well, here's the door shut.
You're like holy shit, she's gone.
42:28
Not my problem.
Not my problem.
42:30
Bye.
She got one year probation and lost the Navy.
42:34
That's it.
Yep.
42:36
I thought you she got sponsored.
That's her fucking punishment for all that crime and, you know, framing people and you name it.
42:43
Well, that's white collar crime I guess, isn't it?
Or something like that.
42:46
Yeah, yeah, Insurance fraud.
Yeah, but that's only if they come after you.
42:52
I'm I'm sure they did.
You know, I don't know well. 2000. 6 fire hair blonde.
42:59
Yeah.
He's a nice kid.
43:01
In 2006, Dee Dee opens up a medical staffing company.
She calls it American Medical Professionals, or AMP, which I thought you guys would get a kick out
43:11
of.
American Medical Yeah, Amp yeah, amp.
43:17
Let's amp this up.
Let's go.
43:19
Wow, the Asian massage parlor.
That's what I thought.
43:22
That's what Nick L is always talking about, going to an AMP.
Oh.
43:25
Oh, yeah.
Oh, sorry.
43:27
Nick, Rick, Rick.
I mean, Rick, Rick Bells.
43:30
Rick Nels.
Rick Nels.
43:32
Dick smells.
Dick smells.
43:34
So a couple that basically were involved with that American Medical professional company AMP.
They say that Dee Dee, they go to the police and they go, hey, this woman made off with $60,000 of
43:46
our money.
They said this money was supposed to be deposited and go into payroll.
43:50
It's not there and she won't answer any fucking phone calls.
So this thing goes through the you.
43:57
Know rigmarole thing and.
All that but ends up getting dropped because there was a lack of evidence to truly prove the money
44:04
had been taken or not.
But there's no doubt she took the fucking.
44:06
Money.
Yeah, well, it was black this time.
44:08
So.
Actually her hair didn't get black I don't think for a while till after she got arrested.
44:13
She kept it died until she was in prison.
This is do you know it sounds like.
44:16
She is.
She needs an Abraham in her life.
44:18
Yes, she indeed does.
Does which her last name?
44:21
Shakespeare.
Good, good segue because we're getting there super fast in 2006.
44:26
Also, Dee Dee, who was now separated from James, begins dating one of her friends 23 year old son.
His name's Char and you can remember that name too, because that kind of comes back into play too,
44:39
right?
This is Deedee's friend's son, that.
44:41
Name Hey Char.
Yeah, you're right.
44:46
You're right about that.
Char moves in with Deedee in January of 2007 and let me tell you, Deedee kept her little young piece
44:54
of ass living large.
Oh, there you go.
44:56
She she sugar Mama.
She's sugar Mama.
44:58
She hooked this dude up, He's living rent free, she's got him driving around in a brand new
Corvette.
45:04
He's got a shiny Rolex hanging off his wrist.
I mean, she's it's the classic fucking.
45:09
I think a Kip from Napoleon Dynamite, that Char.
Not too unvisual.
45:14
And he's just in there like hanging out with his new girlfriend, you know, on the side of the road,
that Char.
45:20
Why'd you throw a stake at me exactly?
So she's, she's got this young kid, you know, feeling like he's got the fucking world by the balls,
45:28
right, Char?
Yeah.
45:30
Damn, he's actually good looking.
Yeah, yeah.
45:32
That's Char.
So Char's.
45:33
Yeah.
He's a good looking kid for sure.
45:36
And he turns out to be a good guy.
So, but, but we'll get we'll get to that for sure.
45:40
So in October of 2008, Dee Dee participates in this small business conference and she meets this
girl named Barbara Jackson.
45:49
Barbara is a real estate agent and she tell this is kind of where everything, this is the beginning
of everything.
45:57
So Barbara tells this group of people, this story about this downtrodden man who hits the Florida
Lottery and she helps this guy purchase that $1.1 million home.
46:09
And so she she's telling them all stories like, hey, this is a great guy.
He's so generous.
46:14
He's he's an amazing story, you know, all of these things.
And so as you guys can probably guess deed, he's like, oh, hey.
46:22
My next victim.
Yeah, yeah, I, she tells Barbara.
46:25
Hey, I really got to meet this guy.
She tells Barbara that.
46:29
Yeah, she tells Barbara that she's a writer and she wants to tell Abraham's story.
She wants to.
46:35
She.
Man, she is a piece of.
46:38
Work.
I'll hand it to her.
46:39
Yeah, she's.
On the job 24/7, yeah.
46:43
Looking for marks, yeah.
No days off, No she.
46:46
Got a young man and now she's looking for some money.
Yep, she's only missing one piece now.
46:50
So here's the funny.
Thing I'm running out of money.
46:52
When that girl Barbara met Dee, Dee Dee was in a wheelchair and she had told them she had got in
some accident and was hemmed up.
47:03
Well, Dee Dee talks to him, like I said, and and says, hey, I got to meet this guy.
And so they set this meeting up just a couple days later and she pulls up to this meeting and hops
47:12
out of her car all spry and yeah, and the girl's like, what the fuck?
She was just in a wood hill 2 days ago.
47:19
Yeah, I went to church on Sunday and they healed me.
Yeah, I drink some.
47:23
I, I drank some snake venom and I popped right out.
Yeah.
47:27
Thanks anyways.
Nice to meet you.
47:29
So which is crazy because you had talked about she's she's on the job 24/7, right?
She didn't she went there straight to fucking hook something.
47:37
I.
Mean she's there.
47:38
Faking to be hurt.
She's got a lie made-up about who she is.
47:41
I mean, she's not fucking around.
Sounds like when she's done with you, she like, doesn't even care anymore, you know, like, like, Oh
47:49
yeah, I need to meet this guy.
I'm in a wheelchair.
47:50
And then, OK, now I got what I want.
I don't really get into the.
47:54
Next.
Yep.
47:56
All right, so that takes us to DD and Abraham, and this is where things really start getting pretty
interesting.
48:01
Barbara sets up that introduction that I told you guys about, and DD instantly starts working her
magic on Abraham.
48:09
So October of 2008 is when they met.
By early 2009 Abraham had replaced a guy named Greg Massey who was basically Abraham's like he he
48:22
advised him financially, he was kind of his right hand man.
So by April of O 9 she replaces Massey as that person.
48:28
How much money are we talking at this point?
Yeah.
48:30
Do we know how much he he he really?
Still has all but the house.
48:34
He paid 1.1 for the house.
He put a million in a his kids.
48:38
Right, trust and then maybe, maybe 9 and some change.
He loaned a million away, OK or lent a million away.
48:45
So you know, he's probably got yes, 8 million, yeah, some, somewhere, somewhere 789 million, right.
That's.
48:51
Dave, man, he's doing it right.
Yeah, yeah.
48:53
Man, lucky Dee Dee, you know what I mean?
She just at the right place, at the right place.
48:57
Just falls into this grave fucking.
What a real savvy girl.
49:00
Yeah, you gotta appreciate her.
So from Jump Street, right, Abraham's closest friends are like, man, we don't fucking like this
49:07
fucking broad.
And it's funny because all these dudes that he hung out with were other dudes from the fucking hood,
49:13
you know?
And so it's funny because like if you read the book, which is a great book, it's called Unlucky
49:20
Number, and it's obviously the story of Abraham.
And if you read the book, his friends are in there.
49:26
Like, man, this fucking white bitch coming around here, like we don't trust her.
Abraham don't trust these white bitches.
49:32
And it's funny because they do not like her from the get go.
Get that feeling?
49:38
Abraham's friends pull up to the gated community.
You got to call Abraham.
49:43
It's OK, Clarence are with me.
Let them through.
49:47
That happened with me and Ed Sanchez one time.
Yeah.
49:49
We were going to pick up some furniture if that someone was he had purchased off someone.
And we pull up to this gated community in Scottsdale and we roll down our window and they look at us
49:58
and go, hey, the the landscape entrance is on the backside.
Oh, damn.
50:02
Oh, Yep.
They stray did us in.
50:06
Yeah.
Dirty.
50:07
Yeah.
We got a good chuckle about that for sure, so I don't.
50:10
Even have a lawn mower on the back.
Of the truck.
50:13
So you remember I told you about Greg, right?
The barbershop guy, he says, and this is kind of what I've just told you guys, that this whole thing
50:19
was weird.
He said, look, Abraham wasn't too fond of white folks.
50:23
This is, you know what, his his exact words.
Abraham wasn't too fond of white folks and most certainly didn't trust him.
50:30
So.
And if you think about it, you know, from Abraham's life from 8 to 13, he's in a juvenile detention
50:36
center and he gets out struggling for jobs.
The only place he ever finds anything or anyone to help him is in his community.
50:43
And so he doesn't trust anyone outside of that community.
And so, yeah, so that's why this where this guy Greg's like, man, I did not like this situation from
50:51
the beginning.
And like we had talked about, Dee Dee was smooth and quick.
50:56
It wasn't long before she convinced Abraham.
You guys are going to trip out.
51:00
I don't even know how this is possible, but she convinces Abraham to give her control of all of
Abraham's assets, his cash, collectible loans, property.
51:10
She convinces him this was going to insulate him from tax collectors and ex wives that he owed child
support to and.
51:17
She's not having sex with him.
Like, is he not a?
51:19
Girlfriend she is not having sex with.
Him, I could see that.
51:22
Dearly platonic.
I could see that.
51:24
Platonic.
If they were, did you hear?
51:27
The part where he wasn't in the White Chicks didn't.
Maybe she turned them, I don't know.
51:31
But I'm just saying, like I could see that, you know, that's bizarre and.
The thing is just.
51:36
Just to think like a year and a half before that, she was crippled and, you know, in a wheelchair
and then she no.
51:40
She finds two days before that she was.
Crippled.
51:42
Yeah, yeah yeah.
And she got.
51:44
Raped by Mexicans?
Well, no, she went.
51:45
She went from being crippled to owning millions of dollars in assets.
And yeah, best selling author, yeah.
51:53
She's a she's a philanthropist.
Yeah, she is indeed, and she just wants to help this guy Abraham out.
51:57
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, I mean, that's what good people do.
52:01
That's right.
So I still, I'm blown away though.
52:04
Yeah, he he like I said, he wasn't dumb.
He was a street savvy person.
52:08
So to sign over your stuff to someone, man, that part.
I just silly.
52:14
Just refresh my memory, how long did it take for her for her to convince him when they first met?
So I'll tell you, April 9th of 2009, everything Abraham owned was in her name.
52:27
And how long that would take?
That was like 6.
52:29
Months you got to go.
Yeah, but like just, but just getting to that level though, as far as like being with that person
52:36
every day, closing up to him, earning that trust.
She's a smoosher, yeah.
52:40
Yep.
So within six months, right, So she has control of Abraham's $1.1 million house, several other homes
52:49
that he had owned because some of those loans that we had talked about.
He.
52:54
He, well, he actually ended up like foreclosing on people's homes that were that were securing those
loans.
53:02
So he had a couple of those homes that she now owned.
He had five more loans outstanding that were valued at about $400,000.
53:13
So like he still had pretty much his 12 million, you know, I'm saying with all his assets included,
too.
53:19
He he wasn't doing bad, he had a lot of money still, right?
The other thing that she had now in her possession, remember I told you that he had lent $63,000 to
53:29
Greg the Barber to save his family house, right?
That he bought in 1920.
53:34
So she now owned that loan too, right?
And so this is the house, like the family house and that comes into play.
53:41
So you know, kind of make a little mental note of that, right?
The other thing I'll tell you at this time and it'll, this will all come into play here soon.
53:50
But like I said, April 9th, 2009, she owns everything.
April 6th, 3 days prior to that was the last time Abraham used his cell phone.
54:00
So April 6th, 3 weeks after Greg the Barber was introduced to DD.
So Abraham had called Greg and said, hey man, I want to introduce you to a friend of mine.
54:11
She's going to be running all my finances now.
So they have that meeting.
54:16
Greg's like, man, I don't like her from right out of the chute.
She's like, I don't like her.
54:21
Three weeks after that meeting and the time he was introduced and that was be the last time also
that he saw Abraham in person.
54:29
She called him to set up a time to pick up this loan payment, right?
Because she now owns that loan.
54:36
So she calls Greg DD and says, hey, I'm gonna come pick up this this money you owe me.
And Greg says, hey, everything was good.
54:44
It went as expected.
The only thing that was weird is she didn't give me a receipt.
54:48
And Abraham always gave me receipts so that I could prove, hey, I'm paying this loan like I'm
supposed to, right?
54:55
And so he says, hey, I want one of these, I want a receipt.
He tells Dee Dee, and she says, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get it to you the next day.
55:02
Well, you know, she won't answer his calls.
Days go by and what?
55:06
Yeah, imagine that.
Weird and fucking nothing.
55:09
And so the next month's payment rolls around and he's like, yeah, fuck you.
I'm not paying you anything until you one give me a receipt and two, give me a receipt for the old
55:17
payment that I made.
Yeah, last one.
55:19
Right.
And so.
55:20
Yeah, for sure.
So DD starts providing handwritten receipts, and Greg's concern about her kind of starts to
55:28
dissipate a little bit, and he kind of lets his guard down.
He's like, OK, well, he ends up kind of coming to this conclusion to himself.
55:34
Like, look, man, whatever, you know, it's his money.
If he wants to, if he trusts this broad, then OK, whatever.
55:39
You know, yeah, receipts will do that.
Yeah, yeah.
55:41
Down completely.
Yeah, I.
55:43
Feel at ease when I go to I can.
See that Take my car, it's done.
55:47
So Dee Dee starts providing what?
The receipts, right, These handwritten receipts.
55:51
He starts going OK, we're OK.
Fast forward, Greg ends up getting a letter from AMP, right, American Medical professionals with
56:00
their letterhead, and it cites failure to make payments on the loan that was secured by his family
house and it's threatening basically foreclosure.
56:10
And so he's like, what the fuck?
So he's pissed now, you know, and he's smart.
56:16
He had got the receipt, so he had proof.
So of course, he starts trying to contact Dee Dee.
56:22
He's calling or calling or nothing.
He eventually tries to call Abraham and he had been told though, like DD had told him and another
56:31
friend that they had had told him, hey, he's Abraham's gone.
He's he's basically, he's out on vacation.
56:36
You're not going to get a hold of him.
So he he does try to call Abraham and can't get a hold of him either.
56:44
Greg eventually goes, fuck this.
He reaches out to another one of Abraham's, what they call his runners, and they're just people that
56:52
he basically employed, you know, to run around and do shit for him.
Yeah.
56:55
Entourage.
Exactly.
56:57
His entourage.
Her name's Judy.
56:59
And again, you know, I know there's a ton of names, but you'll want to file that one away because
Judy also plays a part in this thing.
57:06
So Greg finds out that Judy, so this is gets a little tricky.
Follow me here.
57:13
Judy had been given power of attorney over Abraham's holdings at the request of Dee Dee.
So Dee Dee is now set up with this girl Judy, Abraham's friend.
57:25
And she says, hey, you're going to be power of attorney over Abraham's stuff.
And she convinces Abraham, hey, this is smart.
57:33
You, you want her doing that because it again, it takes away liability from you and all these big
fancy words.
57:39
And he says, OK, whatever, yeah, complete con.
And so he does.
57:44
He signs over and gives her power of attorney to all that shit.
And obviously Dee Dee wanted her power of attorney, so it wasn't her having to sign everything.
57:57
And so that girl Judy, basically Dee Dee ran her ass all around fucking town, running errands,
taking Abraham's mom like to work and back, you name it.
58:10
She was at the banks 15 times a day, signing checks and this and that and the other thing.
And so basically Dee Dee completely, like everyone else in her life, took advantage of Judy.
58:22
And like I said, Judy's going to come back and factor in here a little bit later.
And nobody's seen Abraham.
58:30
No one's seen Abraham but.
DD's in charge and Judy's running around.
58:35
Yes, the last time remember that Greg saw him was the day he met.
Yeah, DD for the first time, yeah.
58:40
Right.
And so no, and no one's talked with him since April 6th, April 6th, April 6th, right?
58:48
Judy ends up telling Greg, right, because he gets a hold of Judy.
He says, hey, Abraham was in Texas and she said I just went and saw him.
58:56
And Abraham right now is only dealing with text messages, which Greg's like, OK, the biggest red
flag hit because like I told you guys before, Abraham basically stopped schooling in the 7th grade
59:11
and wasn't he doesn't know how to read or write very well at all.
So texting is.
59:15
Never text.
Ever.
59:18
He only time he ever texts, he'd have his girlfriend send a couple little things here and there for
him, but he if someone texts he'd call him on the phone.
59:26
So he's like, whoa, wait a minute, why the hell would he only be using the one form of communication
he's no good at?
59:32
Unless it it's her doing it.
Exactly.
59:38
Don't be ridiculous, sucker wide open.
Well done, Johnson.
59:42
Yeah.
Great work, Johnson.
59:43
Put a fork in it.
So Greg's text, right?
59:47
He he text Abraham, he goes, OK, well, whatever, I got to text him.
So he says, man, call my fucking phone.
59:55
This cracker ass got my damn money.
And I know if you get this message, you can call me before I whip this cracker's ass about my damn
1:00:01
money.
That's his tax word for word.
1:00:04
That's nice, mine would have been boobs.
Yeah.
1:00:08
Yeah, so I laughed.
I got to chuckle out of that text.
1:00:11
So the response that he got back from Abraham, right?
Abraham, it says, bro, I'm on a cruise and I'll be back in town soon.
1:00:19
I just needed to get away because all these N word are bothering me about my money and Greg says
bingo, red flag 2 because he said look, she said all these N words right, are bothering me about my
1:00:35
money and she's like he dropped a hard R and he's like we just don't talk like that.
No, that's not how we talk.
1:00:42
So he's like I knew like whoa, wait a minute, he'd never say this, not even in messing with me.
Like that's just not how we.
1:00:48
Talk too many rap videos.
She watched too many rats.
1:00:50
She spent too much time on the TV.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:00:54
That is a fact.
So she she sends this text to Greg, right?
1:00:59
Dropping the hard RN word and he's thinking something's way wrong here.
I can't exactly put my finger on it, but something's not right.
1:01:10
Got suspicions?
He does so he makes a few more angry calls and finally hears back from Judy, not Dee Dee, and he
1:01:19
tells him, hey, Dee Dee wants to meet and she has the papers about your loan.
Like the corrected papers?
1:01:27
Now she's trying to smooth it over because she knows she messed up.
Exactly.
1:01:31
She's pretty.
She's an evil, but she's slick.
1:01:34
Yeah, I got to give her credit where credit's due.
She knows how to hustle.
1:01:38
Yeah, yeah.
So Judy sets up this meeting at the Hard Rock Casino in Tampa where Abraham and Dede are supposedly
1:01:47
going.
So Greg thinks, OK, great, I haven't seen Abraham.
1:01:51
He's going to be at this Hard Rock with Dede.
I'll see him then and we'll figure this thing out.
1:01:55
So he's thinking, all right, good.
Things are finally moving back in the right direction.
1:01:59
This meeting is in early April.
Greg pulls into the casino parking lot.
1:02:05
He drives around it, sees no signs of Abraham's or Dee Dee's car.
And so he's filming.
1:02:11
He's like, all right, what the fuck, you know?
So he calls Judy, and Judy tells him she's not at the casino yet, but Dee Dee and her boyfriend,
1:02:20
hey, they're there.
Just go walk around, right?
1:02:23
And Greg says, bitch, I told you I walked around the casino.
I drove around the parking lot.
1:02:28
They're not here.
Stop fucking with me pissed.
1:02:31
So Judy then she then drops a little bomb on Greg and she says something did kind of happen to
Abraham.
1:02:38
She said that Dee Dee had called her and told her.
Yeah, yeah.
1:02:42
He's not gonna stop breathing.
Yeah, and told her to meet this other white woman on Hwy. 60.
1:02:48
It's funny.
I laugh how they were, you know?
1:02:51
Yeah, just other white.
Women.
1:02:52
Yeah, the white people, white devil, she says.
Hey, Abraham's in the backseat bleeding from a cut on his arm, and we need to get him to the
1:02:59
hospital.
This is what she told was.
1:03:00
Great.
He was raped by three Mexicans and no, no, no, no, never mind.
1:03:06
The guys are Bond.
I've heard this story before, yes.
1:03:09
Can't get.
The story straight.
1:03:11
So Judy says, hey, Abraham got into it with some young prostitute and that's why they're not at the
casino, No.
1:03:18
He's rich, all right.
And I would be doing that, too.
1:03:22
That's a that's a believable story.
Yeah, my point, yeah.
1:03:25
Yeah.
And to be honest, a lot of these things are kind of believable because Abraham, it's not like he was
1:03:33
did all the normal right things anyway.
Yeah.
1:03:35
So it's not too far from reality.
It's probably not the first time he's had a prostitute, most certainly.
1:03:40
It is now he's.
Gonna have a prostitute if he wants.
1:03:42
I agree.
Absolutely.
1:03:44
So.
And like we said, Greg is confused about the story, but he goes, hey, it's not completely out of the
1:03:51
realm of possibility.
So OK, very feasible.
1:03:54
Yeah.
So two days later, Greg gets a call from DD.
1:03:58
She tells them that the foreclosure was off, the paperwork's corrected and they agree to meet at
Greg's family house, right?
1:04:06
The 1 from 1920.
And it's also the one that obviously is secured by the loan that Deedee owns.
1:04:12
So they meet up at this house and have some small talk and then get right to business.
Greg says, hey, I want to know where Abraham is and I want to talk to him.
1:04:23
And Deedee proceeds to tell Greg, hey, Abraham left on another trip, and, yeah, he's off to who
knows where now.
1:04:32
She was supposed to be on a cruise before, right?
And so now he's off on some other trip, which we'll get to all of the trips that he supposedly
1:04:40
takes.
But she says, hey, he's got a new woman, a new hyena, and he's taking classes to read and write,
1:04:49
which explains all the text you're getting.
Yeah.
1:04:52
The hard Rs, Yeah.
Yeah, he's learning.
1:04:55
Yeah, he's learning how to.
Spell these horrible fucking words hard Rs.
1:05:00
Rosetta Stone, you know.
What she should have done though, is just washed alone and say hey, House is taken care of and then
1:05:08
he's out of the picture because he's getting vicious.
What's $65,000 to compare to 6,000,000?
1:05:14
Yeah, exactly.
I.
1:05:15
Mean like.
And this is the only one.
1:05:17
Greg's the only one.
You know what?
1:05:19
Giving her shit?
Yeah, it is right.
1:05:20
So.
She's the one that's putting the pieces together.
1:05:22
Yep, you know.
You don't really care about Iran even once his home secured.
1:05:25
Exactly, 100%.
That's really what he's looking for, right?
1:05:29
Right.
Yeah, I'm sure he does care about Iran, but I mean, yeah, but he really wants his home secured.
1:05:33
1929.
Here's The funny thing, too.
1:05:35
She tells him he's taking night classes to learn how to read and write.
He just won $12 million and he's off on vacation taking fucking night classes to learn and read and
1:05:44
write.
Yeah, I get it.
1:05:46
That doesn't make sense either.
That's just stupid.
1:05:47
Who the fuck's gonna do that?
So Dee Dee, believe it or not, she actually did have the document that Greg needed, and it was
1:05:54
prepared by an attorney of hers.
And it stated, of course, this house is not in foreclosure.
1:06:00
You're in good standing with your loan and that was good for that part of it.
But obviously this didn't do anything to change his concerns about Abraham.
1:06:08
So Greg, this dude again, St. smarts, right?
This guy Greg goes, OK, I see the paperwork.
1:06:15
I see the attorney did this and that, but I'm not signing shit until I have my attorney look at this
thing.
1:06:22
And so you would think it's too bad Abraham didn't have a little bit of that sense.
Yeah, right.
1:06:27
You know, he, he we wouldn't be doing this story right now.
OK, so so Greg says, yeah, hey, I want to have my attorney look at this thing.
1:06:34
So the next day, which is kind of crazy, he gets a call from Judy asking to meet with her and Dee
Dee, which is weird because, you know, initially he can't get hold of her for shit.
1:06:43
She ain't answering his calls.
And now all of a sudden she wants something to do with him.
1:06:47
You know, it's not like she wants to help him out.
So I think, like you guys said, she's figuring out, hey, I kind of need this guy on my team.
1:06:54
He's kind of figuring this shit out and starting to ask too many questions.
Yep.
1:06:58
I got to kill him too.
Yeah, exactly.
1:07:00
Well, and we'll talk about some of that too.
So within 5 minutes of that phone call, Deedee and Judy roll up and park outside the Barber shop in
1:07:09
a brand new black 2009 Hummer.
So I think I want to say they paid like 65K for that Hummer.
1:07:15
Just enough to pay that loan off too.
Weird.
1:07:18
Imagine that 2000 more dollars than the loan itself.
Imagine that.
1:07:24
So Greg walks out, looks into this Hummer and sees Dee Dee.
She's clearly like red face.
1:07:30
She's got tears wiped, she's makeup spread and she's crying.
And he says it's funny because he goes, look, man, I ain't gonna lie to you.
1:07:37
I wasn't comfortable getting into a brand new Hummer with this 6 foot white woman crying in the
hood.
1:07:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like red flags.
1:07:46
Yeah.
None of this situation.
1:07:48
Exactly.
Yeah, none of this situation did.
1:07:51
You find out good Hummer got.
Bad gas mileage?
1:07:54
Yeah, no shit.
That was a real environment killer.
1:07:58
Fucking Dee Dee.
Yeah.
1:08:00
Not smart.
Yeah.
1:08:01
She should have waited for the EV Hummer 50 years later.
So she's crying, and she says, hey, she asks Greg, will you get in and take a ride with me?
1:08:10
He's not very comfortable, but whatever.
He gets in, and they drive to this nearby Home Depot parking lot.
1:08:16
And she burst into tears, which you're going to find out this woman can make herself cry tears on
demand and then completely.
1:08:23
Well, they all can, Yeah, to be fair.
Yeah, true.
1:08:26
True, and most firefighters can.
We're good at that, too.
1:08:29
Right.
Well, I'm a sensitive guy.
1:08:30
I don't cry.
That's true.
1:08:31
That's true.
You are very sensitive.
1:08:34
That's different.
So they're in the car, right?
1:08:36
And she's trying to talk through tears and whimpering, and she tells Greg that she's distraught
because people think she did something to Abraham and she wishes he would just come home so she
1:08:48
could get her life back to normal and yadda yadda, yeah.
She's gaslighting them.
1:08:53
She's gaslighting them.
She's trying to do exactly what you guys said and suck his ass in so he stops fucking with.
1:08:59
Her they also all do that too.
They somehow they pull the heart strings and.
1:09:03
When you say they?
Them.
1:09:06
You know them.
Yeah, OK.
1:09:09
I won't even go there because I don't want to die.
I think he's talking about nurses.
1:09:13
Nurses.
Yeah, that's right, male nurses Falker.
1:09:17
It's in chapter 13, Cry in command.
So Greg says, hey, I didn't rest easy until Dee Dee dropped him off at his Barber shop and drove
1:09:26
away.
Yeah, I'm sure he was.
1:09:28
Yeah.
And and we'll say there's some funny things he says about Dee Dee and getting in and out of her car,
1:09:33
but we'll get to that.
So.
1:09:36
So after this right all can take care.
Yeah.
1:09:42
Natural blonde.
I'm sorry I didn't get the Barber.
1:09:45
I just put that together.
I'll take it, That hairdo.
1:09:50
So about this time, all of Abraham's friends and family start getting weird ass fucking text from
Abraham.
1:09:58
They're strange.
None of them have seen or spoken with him since April of 2009.
1:10:04
You know, all of a sudden now he can read and write like a valedictorian.
Things just spelt right.
1:10:08
Things are spelled right.
Yeah, hard, hard hards right back in the equation.
1:10:13
Change man, I see.
Yep, Yep.
1:10:15
He's learned new ways in life.
And so rumors start flying around everywhere.
1:10:22
And I'm talking like, oh, you know, the rumor is he's in Jamaica being treated for AIDS.
He's in Puerto Rico on a business trip.
1:10:30
He's in Miami at a strip club.
Like, I mean, he's living life.
1:10:35
Every story more audacious than the last time. 100% And it's funny too, because as you'll see as
time goes on, every one of these stories initiated from DD and was basically she would pay people to
1:10:52
start spreading these stories about him so that it would push heat away from her and away from him
being missing.
1:10:58
And so we'll, we'll, we'll talk a little bit more about that as things go on.
But yeah, that's kind of what she's doing.
1:11:04
So although we've talked a lot about this stuff, there hasn't been a lot of time that's passed.
We're still within, you know, 6-7 month time frame here, right?
1:11:14
And so I.
Might have missed this, but from the time that she took full control to the time that he was missed,
1:11:20
April 6th was the last time it was the last text message, right?
She of 2009, yes, and she officially took full control three days later.
1:11:27
Wow, so April 6th, the last time he's been seen in April 9th, three days later is where she's like,
officially, officially has everything, Yes.
1:11:37
Which makes you almost wonder, like, if even any of those documents were even legit either, you
know, like, forged, right?
1:11:43
Oh, like was he dead Way like before April?
Well.
1:11:47
Assumed or missing?
No, you know what?
1:11:49
I'm.
Saying because remember he was seen on April 6th.
1:11:52
Well, that's I thought you said the last.
Text or text?
1:11:54
He.
Was he he?
1:11:55
No, not text.
He talked with someone on April 6th using his cell phone.
1:11:59
OK.
OK.
1:12:01
So he was definitely alive April 6th.
And April 7th he could read and write.
1:12:06
Well, that's.
Right, that's right.
1:12:09
So by this time, family starts considering filing a missing missing persons report, which, you know,
at first I read this and thought, damn, why didn't they do this shit, you know, months ago.
1:12:19
But then you start thinking about, you know, remembering who Abraham was.
He just won the lottery.
1:12:24
And you're going OK, well.
He's living his life.
1:12:26
Yeah.
And when we started this conversation, one of the things, the first thing you said when I said what
1:12:30
would you do if you won the lottery, you said or you said disappear.
Yeah.
1:12:33
And so it's not that far stretched, you know, and he is having problems with people consistently
wanting things from him.
1:12:41
So that's all true.
And so the families finally to this point where they're like, hey, we should file this missing
1:12:47
persons report.
So Abraham's mother was going to do this.
1:12:51
And one of the cousins of Abraham, a guy named Cedric Edom, Edom Edom, he spends a lot of time with
Cedric's mother.
1:12:59
And he starts convincing the mother, hey, you know, don't do that.
He tells her that hey, I've been in speaking with Abraham almost every day and he's coming home
1:13:08
soon.
He's in on it.
1:13:09
Did you just put that together, Johnson?
Johnson.
1:13:13
Nice work.
Kenny, he's working, man.
1:13:18
I did.
I did, I'm not going to lie.
1:13:21
Get in the elevator and follow Lance to.
The yeah, that's right.
1:13:23
We're going to the third floor today.
That's right.
1:13:25
We're.
We're all the way.
1:13:27
That's right.
So Cedric Wright is convincing Abraham's mom, hey, you don't need to do that.
1:13:32
I'm talking with him.
He's coming home.
1:13:35
Actually, multiple members of Abraham's inner circle tried filing a missing persons report, but the.
I don't know, I'm sure it was law or maybe is still, I don't know, in Florida.
1:13:46
But they would tell them, hey, you can't do that.
You have to be an immediate family member or a family member to do to file a missing person.
1:13:53
Really.
Yeah.
1:13:54
Which sounds crazy to me, right?
I mean, I think if I like you went missing and I think I'd say, hey, man, my buddy Victor's missing
1:14:01
and you know, like, Oh no, only immediate family can do it.
I'm like.
1:14:04
Yeah, what if I didn't have any immediate family?
Yeah, I suppose that's maybe to prevent false reports or whatever.
1:14:10
I don't.
Know.
1:14:10
Yeah, I don't know.
It just seems weird though to me.
1:14:13
So oddly enough, Cedric, right?
The cousin that was trying to convince mom not to file the report.
1:14:20
He ends up ultimately filing the missing person report and he does this on November 9th.
Damn.
1:14:28
So 6 months Abraham hasn't been seen on.
November, yeah.
1:14:33
Right.
So the crazy thing is, why the fuck would he be trying to convince the mom not to do it and then go
1:14:40
file the report himself?
It made no sense to me.
1:14:43
Yeah, that Well, you you get a little bit farther in the book.
No, no, I wish that was the case.
1:14:49
So Cedric goes to PD and he admits to them, hey, I got paid $5000 to spread the word that Abraham
was alive and well and on vacation.
1:15:01
I got paid by DD Moore.
I'll cover his ass.
1:15:03
He stopped.
Paying him so.
1:15:05
Well, so you go.
Did he finally get a conscience and now want to fucking, you know, get his cousin's murder?
1:15:12
No, as it turns out, he wasn't even really fucking concerned about Abraham at all.
They police start looking in closer and they find out that Cedric probably filed that missing
1:15:24
persons claim because Dee Dee was threatening to repossess Cedric's car and his house, both of which
Abraham had given him and she now owned the loans to.
1:15:35
So if nothing else, she knows.
Does anybody else know that she that she owns everything of Abraham's?
1:15:41
I don't know exactly who knows that for sure.
Judy knows that.
1:15:45
OK.
But I don't think anyone else knows exactly how you know intertwined she is with his finances and
1:15:53
his shit.
So why?
1:15:54
Don't you just take the money and go?
You know she has.
1:15:56
No.
Why she Why isn't she hanging around?
1:15:58
Yeah, 100%.
There's a lot of things that you go, man, for someone that's so intent on getting money and rich and
1:16:06
why don't you just not leave and you had it, you got.
What you wanted?
1:16:09
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
1:16:10
I mean the bare minimum, like just like hey, everything's yours, you know, don't have to pay a loan
and then you just take that 8 to $7,000,000 and go somewhere else, right?
1:16:22
I mean other than the fact that it would make you look highly suspicious when a missing persons
report does get filed.
1:16:28
Yeah, but.
Finds out that she skipped down.
1:16:30
There's no body.
There's no.
1:16:31
I mean by this time, like six months later.
Well, also, no one's looking for him.
1:16:35
And no one's looking for him, right?
Police won't even let friends file a missing person report.
1:16:40
Yeah, I've been gone.
So police get this little tip of information.
1:16:44
So they on November 10th 2009 contact DD Moore and bring her in for an interview.
DD tells police the same tired ass story about Abraham leaving to get away from all the hard N words
1:16:59
want money from him.
And so at this time though, PD really doesn't know much.
1:17:05
So, you know, even then they're probably thinking, OK, well, that probably is what happened.
Makes sense, you know?
1:17:10
Yeah.
So she's a racist.
1:17:14
Yeah, exactly.
Abraham turned to a huge racist and skipped down.
1:17:20
What was that, Dave Chappelle?
Yeah.
1:17:23
Clarence, Yeah.
Clayton Bigsby.
1:17:25
Clayton Bigsby, yeah.
That's right.
1:17:28
Yeah.
So she tells him the same fucking story.
1:17:31
The police go to Abraham's house, right?
The $1.1 million home.
1:17:36
They go there to meet Dee Dee.
And they go, what the fuck are you doing?
1:17:40
You know, why are you living at Abraham's house?
And she tells police, oh, I purchased this house from Abraham for $655,000.
1:17:47
Of course she's not able to produce a single fucking document to support that, right?
Certainly no receipts.
1:17:54
Certainly no receipts.
Or maybe she can go write 1.
1:17:58
Up for them in the back in.
The back of the Navy.
1:18:01
So, yeah, so she's at Abraham's house, which all these things along the way start raising, you know,
flags for these investigators and stuff.
1:18:09
So police also go and talk to Santeria Butler.
You remember I told you about her?
1:18:16
That was the mother of Jeremiah, his second kid.
Santeria tells police that Dee Dee had stopped by her house and offered her a car and the deed to
1:18:27
one of the houses that she had foreclosed on.
All she had to do was call investigators and assure them she had recently seen Abraham.
1:18:34
Not smart.
Not smart.
1:18:35
Yeah, I'm just saying like.
So dumb.
1:18:37
Yeah.
You'd think like she's.
1:18:39
Definitely it was it was smart in the sense like her thinking was smart to like throw people off,
but it's it was so blatant and obvious and just not well calculated 100%.
1:18:49
You know, I could, I could see like her wheels turning going.
All right.
1:18:52
I need to get heat off me if I pay this person.
Do you think it's panic?
1:18:56
You know, like she's like, oh, I gotta cover my tracks partially, you know, like if I do this, I
think that.
1:19:01
I think she thinks she's smart.
She.
1:19:03
Oh, yeah, definitely.
She thinks she's by the smartest person in the room.
1:19:07
Right?
We've all met those people. 100%, yeah.
1:19:10
And I'll bet you her that blonde hair dye started seeping in her brain.
Yeah, that dye will get you that.
1:19:15
Dye will get you black, yeah.
Bleach your brain cell.
1:19:18
God Dang it.
Yeah, of.
1:19:19
Course he's a Co.
Blonde.
1:19:21
Yeah, so she tells Santeria, hey, this is going to help Abraham because it's going to take the heat
off him for unpaid child support.
1:19:29
And Abraham recently was a no show at a basically had a court hearing for an unpaid child support.
And so she says, hey, this is going to help him with that, and he's going to be unavailable because
1:19:40
he's being treated for AIDS.
How does she balance all these lies?
1:19:44
She that is incredible.
No, yeah, she starts.
1:19:47
All of these lies start doing exactly that, crumbling, and she mixes them up and forgets what she
told.
1:19:53
One hey, don't lie.
Hey, how's Abraham's AIDS?
1:19:56
What AIDS?
Oh, right, Yeah, those aids, yeah.
1:20:01
That's what happens.
For someone that's reasonably intelligent, gosh, she does some stupid fucking things.
1:20:07
Yeah, she clearly hasn't listened to any podcasts.
Yeah, grow up.
1:20:12
So Santeria, she does indeed call the police, but she tells them the truth about Dede's offer.
So she did.
1:20:20
She accept it.
She did not she she good for her.
1:20:23
She calls PD and says, you know right at that moment where she says, do I tell them that I talked to
him or do I tell them that this bitch came and tried to?
1:20:31
She tells him the truth.
Oh cool.
1:20:33
See.
Yeah, this is like the first or second good person.
1:20:36
That's, you know, you go, man.
Jeez.
1:20:39
Someone needs to be in this corner.
Yeah, so get this, Dee Dee also offers Greg the Barber 300 bucks to call police and tell them that
1:20:48
he ran into Abraham in a strip club in Miami.
She's like with a That's right.
1:20:54
Yeah, he was real skinny.
Yeah, yeah.
1:20:57
And he might die any day soon.
Yeah.
1:21:00
Get this Greg takes the 300 bucks and he calls police and delivers the message.
This is his buddy Greg the Barber.
1:21:08
Man, Greg, I kind of liked.
You I know.
1:21:10
Same here.
He got bought out for $300.
1:21:12
Turn coat, motherfucker. 300 bucks man.
So 2 weeks later she calls Greg again and says hey, I need another favor bro.
1:21:22
This time she says I need you to call Abraham's mom and pretend to be him.
Yeah.
1:21:31
But I just learned this.
Don't use a hard R, apparently.
1:21:34
You to talk like.
You're from the ghetto, yeah.
1:21:37
Like the guys you would talk sound the same?
Don't you?
1:21:40
That's right.
Yeah, right.
1:21:42
All you dumb, all you hard call Abraham moms over here you say call Abrahams.
Mom yes, so like she wouldn't know what her own son sounds like so she kind of she had him call from
1:21:55
like I don't.
Know if it's a club or a restaurant or something, but it was kind of noisy in the back.
1:21:59
Plus I got bronchitis, you know, I got a little.
Rasp here, you know exactly.
1:22:04
Pneumonia, yeah.
Sorry, Mom, I'll call you later.
1:22:09
That's my Abraham always, always coughing, always partying so.
Here's the crazy part is you fell for it.
1:22:18
You would think Greg would go Am I fucking doing?
That.
1:22:21
That's stupid.
How much?
1:22:22
Money, he does it first of all, and.
I want to say it was just.
1:22:26
Another 300 bucks and Greg's like what he said is like, hey.
Man, I.
1:22:31
Figured fuck it, it's easy money, you know, like I ain't doing no harm.
I didn't hurt nobody like, so fair enough.
1:22:37
So he kind of makes him accomplished, yeah.
Might hurt that bum hole yours if you get.
1:22:45
Thrown in jail that that you had that loan gone barbershop.
Gone.
1:22:50
So.
But virgin virginity?
1:22:55
Gone.
So, so get this right he he does.
1:22:59
This thing this time though, PD had been trailing him by this point, trailing DD and him OK.
And they see the money get exchanged and DD pulls away.
1:23:12
He starts to drive off and they pull him over.
Not DD, No, I think they want to probably.
1:23:16
Get the bigger fish, huh?
Little Big Greg turned on.
1:23:20
Yeah, exactly.
It's exactly what they're doing.
1:23:23
Classic work, Johnson.
Yeah, we learned that day one.
1:23:26
In cop school, so they take Greg out he's.
Questioned and of.
1:23:32
Course, you know, he's not trying to really get involved.
He took some easy money when he could, but he gives up everything he knows.
1:23:39
He's like he tells me about Abraham Dee Dee.
They found the $300.00 receipts.
1:23:46
Yeah.
That he requested the handwritten receipts.
1:23:49
Yeah, the.
Handwritten.
1:23:50
Receipts.
Yeah.
1:23:51
Call Greg's mom.
Yeah.
1:23:52
So, Greg?
Did agree to keep talking to Deedee in an attempt to get obviously more information about her.
1:23:58
And he agreed in the future to wear a wire.
Yeah, there you go.
1:24:01
So they did like you.
Said they kind of got him.
1:24:05
The small fish and they're going to bait him to get the big fish in.
So at this time to, you know, Deedee had already been in and been interviewed by PD.
1:24:13
She's really starting to feel the heat now, right?
So one of the detectives is, is talking to her and she tells the dude, hey, why don't we get a hotel
1:24:22
and we'll go there and have a good time out there.
Oh jeez, dude, Dee Dee, she's got no.
1:24:27
No.
No boundaries.
1:24:28
No.
Morals.
1:24:29
No morals.
She's not even a looker.
1:24:31
No, she's a six foot Amazon.
Yeah, yeah.
1:24:35
She's literally a German.
Tank.
1:24:38
Did you did you think she did the old?
What was that movie where she crosses her?
1:24:40
Leg Oh indecent exposure indecent.
Proposal indecent exposure.
1:24:47
Yeah, it definitely would have been, yeah.
Oh, sorry my.
1:24:52
Vagina fell out of the.
Ponies.
1:24:54
Oops.
Silly dude, can you pick that up for me?
1:25:05
All right, fuck.
Goes, oh, sorry about that's enough of that game, all right.
1:25:08
All right, so dinner table.
So yes, right.
1:25:11
We got to finish this meal so.
So all of these financial records of all of Dee Dee's misgivings, which there were a shit ton of
1:25:18
them, she actually kept accurate track of all the shit she was stealing.
It's starting to be uncovered, and they're starting to get a real picture of exactly what the fuck
1:25:28
she's doing.
And they're starting to understand, OK, Abraham probably ain't fucking coming home.
1:25:33
So Greg, he's doing what he said.
He's still meeting with Dee Dee.
1:25:38
And now we get to the point where PD says, OK, hey, we want you to wear a wire.
And so there were multiple occasions that he wore a wire on one of them.
1:25:48
He's wired up.
And PD had originally wired him like in the center of the chest.
1:25:53
And he said for some reason, he decided to put it like, move it to the side of himself, which would
have been away from Dee Dee.
1:26:00
And not sure exactly why, but he's like, I'm gonna move.
This thing is more comfortable or something of the sort.
1:26:06
Well, sure as shit, man.
They get in there and they start talking.
1:26:09
And she leans over and starts groping him like his arms, his chest filling for a wire.
Oh, Yep.
1:26:15
Gee, from what he says, like she barely missed the recording device that he had on the side of him.
The funny part is if you read the book, he tells the story about when she reached over and he said
1:26:29
it took him a minute where he was scared at 1st and like oh shit, I'm about to be caught.
Yeah, be made and this she's this bitch going to kill me with her big hands.
1:26:36
That's right.
Okay, yeah.
1:26:39
I stand no chance.
So he.
1:26:43
Then reacts and he's like bitch get.
Your fucking hands off me.
1:26:46
She's he tells her.
Like, hey, I'm from the hood.
1:26:49
You don't fucking put your hands on me.
Like, oh, OK, You're a little improv, huh?
1:26:53
When in reality is though like to start making out with.
Her, you know, let's see where this goes.
1:26:59
Oh shit, I'm wearing a wire.
God.
1:27:00
Dang it, I forgot.
That's not what you think it is.
1:27:02
It's a Barry Manilow on like her ass.
Luckily he'd move the wire, so he misses that deal.
1:27:09
By the skin on his teeth.
So this is kind of interesting.
1:27:12
I just put in because it's interesting, but that freaks him out.
He goes home, he's watching TV and he watches this show about how, like, sodas made, and he watches
1:27:20
a soda can being made and the top lid of the can is welded on there.
And so he goes, oh, shit, I can take that top part off, basically Weld it back on and put a a bug
1:27:35
inside there and foam it up so it won't move and clank around.
And he creates his own listening device that he takes to the detectives and says, hey, I want to use
1:27:44
this because the fucking wire almost got me caught.
They test it out and go, holy shit, man, this thing fucking works.
1:27:50
Now he works for the CIA.
Now he works for the fucking CIA.
1:27:53
Shit.
Yeah.
1:27:55
So fucking Greg's a.
Baller the Spy.
1:27:57
Shop in the mall.
Yeah, I love that place.
1:28:01
So the next meeting Greg has with DD.
Was it was a cold day, Greg's bundled up, so he decides, hey, I'm going to put the recording device
1:28:10
in my sweater pocket underneath my hoodie because I got so much shit on.
She trusts me now, yadda yadda yadda.
1:28:16
So they meet and DD rents a hotel room and she gets it under these, you know, fake names, right?
Greg meets her at the hotel room and he says, hey, I roll in.
1:28:27
Dee Dee's got a full hazmat suit on with gloves, a cap covering her hair, you name it.
And little role play, huh?
1:28:35
He's like, what?
Nice work, get it?
1:28:38
On yeah, a little.
Strange, but whatever.
1:28:39
I'm on I'm.
In about it, yeah, I'm in.
1:28:41
I'm.
It's not a no.
1:28:43
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, for sure not a hard no, right?
1:28:45
No.
There's no discussion, Yeah.
1:28:48
And so actually what he's thinking is.
Oh fuck, she going to fucking kill me.
1:28:52
She she's dressed up to fucking cut me up with a fucking chainsaw or something.
Yeah, like a safe word.
1:28:57
Like Shazam.
Shazam.
1:28:59
Yeah, no doubt, Shazam, she tells Greg.
Hey, I don't want to get any of our DNA on any of this shit.
1:29:07
Here and Greg's like, oh thank God she ain't going to kill me.
And so she she pulls out this new laptop that she had purchased and you know, like she's all set up
1:29:17
and what she is, what she's doing is she wants to write a letter from Abraham to Abraham's mom,
right?
1:29:25
Another letter to try and throw police off the scent.
But she doesn't want anything trackable because she knows that letters probably eventually going to
1:29:31
make it to the hands of the police.
So she doesn't want DNA.
1:29:34
She doesn't want, you know, to for them to be able to find me like a letter, like a handwritten
letter or a laptop letter?
1:29:40
No, a laptop.
Letter like an e-mail.
1:29:42
Basically like.
That but she's going to print it right she.
1:29:45
Bought her too.
OK.
1:29:46
Yeah, because and so.
She's like, just just.
1:29:49
Paranoid.
Enough to.
1:29:51
Be smart about it sometimes, right?
Well, sometimes.
1:29:54
Other times you're like, what the hell?
So get this.
1:29:56
I told you he.
Thought Dee Dee was going to kill him.
1:29:58
This was his words exactly, his quote.
This motherfucker about to murder me.
1:30:02
Lord, I ain't got no pistol.
My knife's in the car and I got to fight this big motherfucker.
1:30:11
She's shot putting.
Ass look at motherfucker, he put she's.
1:30:14
Fixing to murder me and.
Nobody going to know but.
1:30:16
Wallace and them, that's the detectives.
They might get her, but bitch, I ain't ready to die.
1:30:21
So I laugh because he's like, I'm going to have to fight this big motherfucker.
Yeah, that's his fault for not being strapped, you know, at this at.
1:30:27
This point in the game dude.
No knife, no knife, not even some long nails.
1:30:32
Is it your pistol line?
Jeez, not even a nail clip.
1:30:34
He doesn't look like he's a.
Small.
1:30:36
Individual you know and.
He was short.
1:30:38
He was short.
Oh, was he short?
1:30:40
Yeah, she was 6 foot and he was, I want to say like 580.
And like older looks like compared to her.
1:30:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah, scrappy fuck guys bigger himself for.
Sure, he put up a fight.
1:30:51
Hey man, he wasn't fucking.
Around with that big old fucking Sasquatch.
1:30:55
So even though Gregg nervous right, he suits up and he's like fuck it, like you guys said, like,
okay, I'm in, you know, let's get this on.
1:31:03
And so they write this four page letter with all kinds of bullshit.
I mean like Ardars, yeah.
1:31:10
You name it, dude.
Like everything like. 4 pages of shit.
1:31:13
When the guy can't read or write and so they take it, they drive over to Abraham's mom's house and
she makes Greg get out basically and walk up to the mailbox and slip it in the mailbox and fucking
1:31:26
beat they beat feed out.
Hey, I might have missed this but when Greg talked to.
1:31:31
Abraham's mom on behalf of Abraham.
How'd that go over?
1:31:35
Oh, you mean when he was pretending to be Abraham for 300 bucks?
Yeah.
1:31:39
Believe it or not.
So he called.
1:31:41
Her and Didi was with her in a Cracker Barrel and they're eating.
Yeah, she Didi still hung out with her and Didi.
1:31:49
Said oh hey.
She talked with him back and forth like, oh hey, Abraham done to sell it a little bit, to sell it a
1:31:54
little bit, and then she gave it to the mom.
And.
1:31:57
The mom bought off on it.
Yeah, man.
1:32:01
Yep. 300 bucks well spent. 300 bucks well spent for sure.
So the.
1:32:06
Letter, actually that four page letter if you read the book.
Like I said, the unlucky number, it's all in there.
1:32:12
It's too much to put on here, but it was goofy as shit.
Like you go, no fucking way.
1:32:17
This is ridiculous.
And obviously the letters meant to throw police off the scent, but it didn't.
1:32:22
Obviously, police, we're cited in on DD and they're on to the shit that she's doing.
So as soon as they pulled away from dropping that letter, PD rolls up, takes the letter out, and
1:32:32
they're off on their way.
That's Nell Fraud.
1:32:35
Yeah, they're going to jail.
That's a felony, I'll put.
1:32:38
Them on trial fucking.
Assholes.
1:32:39
Why no one likes cops, Yeah.
Exactly so.
1:32:42
Detectives put together, I think.
A pretty impressive.
1:32:45
Plan They come up with this idea.
Hey, we can't get her to confess to the murder.
1:32:50
We don't know where he's at, but we know he's dead.
So let's OfferUp a fall guy that will admit to murdering Abraham for a large amount of money.
1:32:59
Basically, they think, hey, if we can find or or give her someone that she thinks has already got
like a life sentence, that's going to have a life sentence.
1:33:07
And so they're already going in, I can pay them X amount of money and they'll go, yeah, fuck it, I
killed this guy too, right?
1:33:13
And so you think about and you go, that's ridiculous, but so ridiculous it fucking might even work.
Might even work crazy like a fox.
1:33:20
Yeah.
Exactly.
1:33:21
I like crazy.
Yeah, exactly.
1:33:24
So.
So they tell Greg, hey, we want you to pitch this.
1:33:26
Idea to Dee Dee and so he does and she fucking loves it and she says hey, do you know anyone that
can do it You know her race is as she's like, well, you know sure you got some cousins that yeah,
1:33:38
you know so.
Yeah.
1:33:41
I know 3 Mexicans.
But yeah, yeah, they don't trust.
1:33:44
Me anymore, they don't trust me anymore, so Greg said.
Yeah, I'll do it.
1:33:50
So he goes back.
A few days later, they talk and he he says, hey, my cousin's going to do it.
1:33:55
He's about to do 25 years on a plea deal, and he's willing to do it.
So Greg's thinking like, I'm really going to have like, maybe one of my cousin's that I know, and he
1:34:04
can.
Yeah, he'll play in on the deal.
1:34:06
Well, Petey's like, no, no, no, that's not what we're doing.
This brother over here is your cousin now.
1:34:10
Exactly.
It's.
1:34:11
Exactly what they do, and so they.
Bring in this cop.
1:34:15
He's from another agency.
He's an undercover cop that they know he's been on like 12 years, but he's straight undercover.
1:34:22
Like he's got long ass dreadlocks, a big ass fucking beard.
He's a big tall dude, obviously a black dude.
1:34:28
He's got to be his cousin, right?
And so they go, hey, this is going to be your cousin.
1:34:33
And Greg's kind of pissed off because he's like, hey, man, I don't fucking know this guy.
You know, if she starts asking questions or this or that, I'm not going to know shit about this guy.
0:00
And he wasn't real comfortable with it.
1:34:42
But PD says, hey, look, dude, it's this is how it's happening, so get comfortable with it.
The guy's name, the the undercover cop's name is Mike Smith.
1:34:52
And so this meeting gets set for two days.
Yeah, 100% cop name, dude, no.
1:34:57
She.
Was born to be a fucking cop.
1:34:59
Two days later, meeting gets.
Set and Greg tells Deedee that his cousin is going to do it, but on two conditions.
1:35:07
His family needs to be taken care of, so there's going to be cash, obviously, and he needs to know
where the body is so that he can know for sure.
1:35:16
Abraham ain't coming back to tell the police, hey, I ain't fucking dead and everything fucking blows
up.
1:35:23
The funny part is this what the cousin tries to sell DD is says, hey, look, I don't want to say I
murdered this dude.
1:35:30
And then he shows up and now I'm on the hook for insurance fraud and I'm like, what?
What?
1:35:37
Bro, you're admitting to murder.
Yeah, but you're worried about I'm not getting paid for insurance fraud, I'm getting paid for
1:35:42
murder?
Fraud.
1:35:44
Yeah, a businessman let.
Me have.
1:35:46
My attorney.
Look at.
1:35:47
This.
I'm a public defender.
1:35:50
You got a receipt for that?
Yeah, you got a receipt.
1:35:52
So.
I laughed.
1:35:53
I'm like, man.
What in the fuck is going on?
1:35:55
Here.
OK, so the story that they concocted basically is Mike Smith is going to tell PD that Abraham owed
1:36:01
him money.
He had bought some drugs, never paid, he couldn't get him to pay up, and so basically he fucking
1:36:08
killed his ass and tossed him in a ditch.
On January 1st of 2010, Dee Dee and Greg meet a few hours before the actual meeting was scheduled
1:36:18
with Greg's cousin.
As soon as they get in the car, she says, hey, if I can produce the gun that was used to kill
1:36:23
Abraham, you think it'd be an even stronger case?
Oh geez.
1:36:26
Yeah.
Oh my God, Absolutely.
1:36:29
Yes, please.
Where does he have a soda pop can?
1:36:31
Still on him?
He's got the wire on him.
1:36:33
Yep.
Oh, OK.
1:36:35
And so.
That was the first time that he'd actually heard her say he's dead.
1:36:39
Kind of admit it.
Yeah.
1:36:41
Yeah, somewhat.
And.
1:36:43
It shocked him.
He was like, oh shit, it took him a minute.
1:36:45
He said to recover from that because he, you know, he now knows for sure my buddy's dead, so move
on.
1:36:52
Dee Dee tells Greg.
Hey, there's this guy.
1:36:54
It's obviously a fictional fucking guy, like everything else in her world.
But there's this guy, Ronald, the drug dealer, and he is the one that actually murdered Abraham.
1:37:05
And I can get him to tell me where this weapon is and where the body is.
And so body's still around like they're in Florida.
1:37:15
Yeah, you just throw that body.
Well, alligators.
1:37:18
Alligators, right?
Yeah.
1:37:19
And we'll she wasn't.
Well, I don't know.
1:37:22
I would.
Say if she wasn't that smart, we'll we'll talk about the body here in a minute and we can discuss
1:37:26
that.
So this Ronald guy, right?
1:37:28
What Dee Dee forgets is we talked about her lies starting to jumble in together.
She forgets that one of the time she paid Abraham to do something, she had made-up this fictional
1:37:39
name Ronald.
And he knew it was made-up because that was part of the deal.
1:37:44
And so when she started using the name again, Ronald, as now this real person that actually killed
Abraham, he's like, bitch, you fucking told me Ronald was a fucking made-up name.
1:37:53
Yeah.
You know, and he owns McDonald's.
1:37:56
Yeah.
Yeah.
1:37:58
He.
Started this little hamburger joint.
1:38:01
Yeah, dressed like a.
Clown, you know, You know big feet.
1:38:05
So.
He's like, man, this.
1:38:07
Bitch is fucking.
Crazy, right?
1:38:09
So Greg says, Hey, show me the this is his exact words.
Show me where the property at and I'll go out there and move that motherfucker.
1:38:18
And I chuckle because he's trying to get on her side, right?
And be like, Hey, I'm with you.
1:38:23
So I get it later on when the trial goes through and everything and it sucks because the all of
these tapes get played and the mom gets to hear him talking shit about her kid and like, hey,
1:38:33
where's that motherfucker?
I'll move his ass, you know, and shit like that.
1:38:36
Playing the part, though, yeah, that's what he told her.
Hey, I'm sorry, but I was playing this part.
1:38:39
So Dee Dee tells Greg in passing that maybe Ronald not only killed Abraham, but buried him, buried
him on her property to frame her again.
1:38:50
Greg's like, wait a second, is this bitch just telling me that it's on her property?
That he's on her property?
1:38:56
Abraham's property.
Actually.
1:38:58
Actually.
Abraham's property, correct?
1:39:00
So right.
At that time and now Greg's.
1:39:02
Kind of blown away like.
Fuck, she just told me.
1:39:04
Basically, she's got the gun and the bodies on her property.
And so right at that time, the fall guy, the cousin Mike Smith, pulls up in a white Yukon.
1:39:14
Yeah, who's the cop?
12 year, right?
1:39:16
Yep.
Because we don't.
1:39:17
Need you anymore?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
1:39:19
Don't worry, they're like, did all your work for you.
We're gonna get this.
1:39:22
So they keep rolling with him.
Right.
1:39:25
And so in the driver's seats, this guy, Mike Smith and you, like I said, he's got a bad ass beard,
fucking dreadlocks, you know, he's a big dude.
1:39:32
He gets in the back seat and they start talking and DD one of the first things she says to him,
trying to fucking be the hustler she is.
1:39:39
She thinks, you know, she's dealing with this unintelligent St. hustler.
And she says, hey, guess what?
1:39:45
You're going to be real popular now.
I'm going to write a book about you, and you're probably going to be on the Oprah Winfrey Show.
1:39:52
And she asks him, You like that?
You want to be on the Oprah Winfrey Show?
1:39:55
What a bitch.
Yeah, I'm like you fucking.
1:40:00
Cunt.
Yeah, yeah.
1:40:01
Like.
She has.
1:40:02
No end, you know, to the things that.
She's willing to do or how she's willing to fuck with people.
1:40:08
Oprah Winfrey.
So you know how with the letters?
1:40:11
How she fucking?
Babbles on about this and that and over talks and shit like that.
1:40:15
Well she does the same thing, right?
So they're in the back of this car and she fucking runs her mouth and babbles on for a long time.
1:40:22
Like, you can tell at one point one of the guys looks in the mirror and makes a face like, is this
bitch going to shut the fuck up?
1:40:28
What to the other one?
I chuckled about that too.
1:40:31
And so Mike tells Dee Dee, she's babbling on and he tells her plain and simple, look, I need to know
where Abraham where Abraham is so that I can make this legit.
1:40:41
And he says, look, this is not that difficult.
They're going to ask me, OK, you killed him.
1:40:46
Where's the fucking body, right?
Yeah.
1:40:47
And not only that, but I need to know how he was killed because they're going to go.
They can't find the body.
1:40:53
And then I tell them I choked his ass and he shot in the head.
Yeah.
1:40:56
Which seems 100% logical.
Not the.
1:40:59
Insurance story or whatever the bullshit he was like trying to pull on DD.
Like, yeah, no shit.
1:41:04
Yeah.
If I'm the killer, I need to know where.
1:41:07
The body is.
For insurance reasons, yeah.
1:41:09
For I don't want to.
Be on the hook for insurance received at a minimum.
1:41:14
So.
So Dee Dee says OK all right I'm in.
1:41:18
She says what do you want?
And right without missing a beat he goes $50,000.
1:41:23
And so she tells Mike OK I'm in for $50,000.
She goes but I'm going to have to make some payments and because I got to sell some shit I don't got
1:41:33
50,000 on me.
And Mike says OK, but I'm going to need 10,000 upfront.
1:41:37
And so she agrees and says OK, 10,000 upfront $50,000 is the total price.
Greg sitting there like only got 600.
1:41:47
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, you got paid?
1:41:50
Yeah, for sure.
So you know.
1:41:53
She's talking about.
This and Mike again says, hey, I need to know more fucking details about Abraham.
1:42:00
I can't say I fucking shot him and he turns up with his fucking throat cut.
So Dee Dee agrees to terms with Mike and she was going to talk to Ronald about the details of
1:42:13
Abraham, right?
That's what she tells Greg.
1:42:18
Hey, so OK, I'm going to do this deal with you.
I'm going to pay him the $50,000.
1:42:23
But now I got to go talk to Ronald.
This fictitious character that Abraham that Greg knows damn well doesn't fucking exist, right?
1:42:31
She doesn't just remember.
She don't remember her lies.
1:42:34
So a few days pass and by the time Greg next talked to Dee Dee, the plan was to tell her that he
needed to meet with her ASAP to tell her about a buddy of his that basically he was at a like a
1:42:48
watching football at some houses with his buddies.
And a couple of these dudes are sheriff's officers.
1:42:52
And he said hey, I listen to these dudes talking about the case and one of the things they said is
that they are getting ready to go issue a search warrant and search Dee Dee's properties.
1:43:02
The reason they do this is because like, man, this bitch is not like we want to get her and she's
dragging her feet and this and that.
1:43:09
So they're like, if we say that this is going to happen, then it'll speed her along to hurry up and
try and get the body, make a mistake, go and get the body taken.
1:43:17
Care of right?
Does she have a large?
1:43:18
Property.
Well, she owned those properties that Abraham.
1:43:21
Had Yeah, I'm just wondering.
I don't know what 1.1 or two well that.
1:43:25
Was one house and then the other two properties.
Actually there's pictures of them but they're actually land like it's a.
1:43:31
It is a good amount of property took take some time to find a body.
Correct.
1:43:39
So Greg was.
Actually able to convince.
1:43:42
Deedee.
That Abraham, hey, we got to dig him up tonight because these dudes are going to serve this warrant
1:43:48
and then we can't do any of this.
It's over.
1:43:51
Greg tells Deedee Mike's going to come help me.
And Deedee goes, all right, well, hey, I got a pickup and a trailer that's going to help you with
1:43:59
the operation.
And because she tells him, look, he might be 9 feet down, that's what she tells him.
1:44:06
And he's like, God damn.
Like he, she's telling little pieces, you know, that's back.
1:44:11
You ain't hand digging that.
That's backhoe, No?
1:44:13
Well, so that's that becomes another piece.
Of the story, you are correct Sir.
1:44:17
Really.
That's backhoe digging.
1:44:19
Ah, then they call or Collier or grass her with a shovel.
Yeah.
1:44:22
Oh yeah, that too.
Yeah, 5 gallon bucket.
1:44:24
Exactly.
Right, so Greg tells DD Hey, I need you to make some.
1:44:28
Purchases I need bleach.
This is funny, he goes.
1:44:30
I need a metal trowel.
I'm like a trowel.
1:44:33
You're gonna do some fucking drywall before you dig him up.
The what?
1:44:37
Yeah.
Brace some bricks.
1:44:38
Yeah.
He's.
1:44:38
Like always one of the metal.
Trowel this is my.
1:44:41
Chance to get it, yeah.
I'm a new drill print and all this.
1:44:44
Thing.
Yeah, yeah, some spearmint gum.
1:44:47
That's right.
I need a.
1:44:48
Husky Toolbox.
My cousin.
1:44:50
Got 50,000 I need more.
Yeah, so he asked for ropes.
1:44:56
Gloves.
A shovel.
1:44:57
And he says, hey, you need to get the gun used to shoot Abraham so we can put Mike's prints on it.
And they also wanted to shave off the serial number on it because it was Dee Dee's gun that she used
1:45:11
to shoot.
Dumb again for someone that's made.
1:45:15
Some generally.
Intelligent decisions.
1:45:18
She does some fucking stupid ones.
About two hours later, Dee Dee texts Greg and she says hey, we need to meet in 30 minutes in this
1:45:26
store parking lot, like a convenience store.
As soon as she sits her big fucking ass down in Greg's car, she pulls out 38 Smith and Wesson from
1:45:35
her pants pocket and like, hey, this is the gun.
And Greg's thinking like fuck, man, like and he says she's kind of tossing it back and forth.
1:45:45
You know, it's got like laser sights on it and shit.
And he's like, man, I this is crazy.
1:45:50
I can't even believe that she just crushed the skull with her big ass hands.
You.
1:45:55
Know here's my Smith and Wesson just.
Shows him his hands.
1:45:58
She's got like.
A7 foot wingspan, yeah.
1:46:01
Yeah.
Palm Palm's head like a basketball.
1:46:03
Crushed like an.
Apple.
1:46:04
Yeah, like the Hulk.
Yeah, so.
1:46:09
She tells.
Greg.
1:46:10
That she wants them to take Abraham's body to the countryside and burn it.
Greg says, hey, that's not what our plan was.
1:46:17
So if you, if you want us to do that, we're going to need more supplies, like some fuel and some
other shit.
1:46:22
And DD says, yeah, that's good, I'll go get it.
I'll get you some marshmallows too.
1:46:27
Well this is funny to her.
No fucking shit, dude.
1:46:30
She thinks she's getting.
Away with it.
1:46:31
That's just not sanitary though, I mean.
All jokes aside.
1:46:35
Yeah, she clearly doesn't understand what you weren't there.
Yeah, she's.
1:46:38
Never smoked, burnt.
Pot.
1:46:40
No, you eat roasted.
Marshmallows.
1:46:42
When was her first time?
She clearly must have got fired on probation or.
1:46:45
Something.
Yeah, Yeah.
1:46:47
Everyone know that damn boy, so yeah.
So she's a fucking.
1:46:52
Cunt she's.
Evil and like I said, it's crazy because she's able.
1:46:55
She's so good at what she does that she's able to create tears on an instant and get sympathy from
people when everything is a plotted plan with her.
1:47:06
Everything.
So the next step for them was to meet up a few hours later so she could show them where Abraham was
1:47:13
and drop off the truck and trailer for them.
So on January 25th, 2010, Dee Dee drives her white truck, which actually was her dad's truck that
1:47:22
she borrowed and trailer to this split level home that Abraham was buried at.
And you guys can look at it, there's pictures of it in the book, but it's a nice little like
1:47:33
farmhouse type of house, like a really nice on probably it looked like maybe, I don't know, three to
five acres.
1:47:41
And they owned a couple of houses next to each other.
So it was pretty property for sure.
1:47:46
So they meet, they're in the backyard and Dee Dee walks over to this concrete slab with like a piece
of metal in her hands.
1:47:53
And she drops it on the concrete slab and says that's where I think you should dig.
And then she says maybe 6 feet down and she leaves and fucking heads home.
1:48:03
So this concrete slab is a 30 by 30 concrete slab.
That and like you said, 6 to 9 feet down.
1:48:10
You're talking about a big fucking hole.
Jeez.
1:48:13
You would think that's enough evidence for the cops to go all right, man.
Let's go get her.
1:48:17
Let's attain her.
We'll dig the body up.
1:48:20
We have the gun and case closed, you would think, but I think they're like, hey, we've got her on
the hook.
1:48:27
And we're just getting more and more by the day.
So why not?
1:48:30
Yeah, let her ride the case stronger.
You know, let it ride.
1:48:34
And so.
That's what they do.
1:48:35
Police decided, OK, like you said, Kenny, they're like, OK, we're getting to that point now where
we've got, we know where the body is, right?
1:48:42
All this stuff.
So they decide, hey, which I don't even know, they're nicer than I think I would be.
1:48:48
But they say, hey, let's get let's get her away from her home so her son doesn't have to witness
what's about to happen.
1:48:55
Police had Greg call Dee Dee and tell her he's calls and he's like, what the fuck, bitch?
And she's like, whoa, whoa, what's going on?
1:49:02
And he's like, they're fucking cops all over your fucking house.
Are you trying to fucking, you know, blame me for this shit, What's going on?
1:49:08
And she's like, no, no, no, no, you know that whole thing.
Yeah.
1:49:11
So he says, hey, we need to meet ASAP and we need to figure out what the fuck we're going to do.
And so they decide, hey, let's meet at the mall. 15 to 20 minutes.
1:49:20
Didi arrives and pulls up to Greg's car.
Greg got out a few words and fucking PD cars start screaming in and the two detectives, the two main
1:49:31
detectives handing the case pop out and say hey you 2 are going with us.
And that's where they first officially take her in.
1:49:39
So they get to the station and Dee Dee tells the police this again.
Man this bitch is fucking crazy.
1:49:46
They get to the station, she knows the fucking jig is up and she looks at PD before they even say a
word.
1:49:51
Lands it on Greg.
She goes.
1:49:53
You got the guy that killed.
Abraham.
1:49:55
That guy with me, Greg, he killed him.
Yep.
1:49:58
Yep.
You want to go back to the hotel now?
1:50:00
Have some fun.
Yeah, that's.
1:50:01
Right.
Hey, look over here.
1:50:02
I'm about to spread my legs.
Yeah.
1:50:05
Greg got it.
Has all the receipts, yes.
1:50:09
Show me the receipts.
That's my Judge Judy.
1:50:11
Oh yeah.
I like it.
1:50:12
Yeah.
So they they.
1:50:14
Laugh and they go hey.
Dumbass.
1:50:16
Guess what?
Greg's with us.
1:50:18
And she's like, motherfucker.
So what's next?
1:50:21
She goes, oh, well, I need to tell you about this guy, Mike.
Mike Smith's the one that you know, and they're like, oh, you mean the big black guy with the
1:50:28
dreadlocks?
She's like, yeah, did I say Mike?
1:50:31
I meant Ronald.
Well.
1:50:34
In the.
Hamburglar the Clown.
1:50:36
Grimace.
Yeah, my boy Grimace so.
1:50:42
So they say, hey dumbass, he's undercover too.
Now she.
1:50:45
Says funny you say that.
She says, OK, listen, I'm really going to come clean.
1:50:50
Now there's this guy Ron.
Yeah, prepare for lie that that that's what I've learned in my my career.
1:50:55
Is hey, I don't want to lie to you.
That's how you know the biggest lies come the lies about the country.
1:51:00
Times a charm.
This one's going to definitely.
1:51:02
Stick, Yeah.
So Ronald McDonald gets the next fucking.
1:51:05
One and then this goes to tell you how mentally ill she is.
She tells PD, if I tell you who killed Abraham, can I keep all my shit?
1:51:15
All the shit that she stole from Abraham, Right.
I tell you who killed him.
1:51:18
Can I keep my shit?
Sure.
1:51:21
Yeah.
No shit.
1:51:22
I already know.
Yeah, but let's let's play that game.
1:51:25
Yeah, but that tells you though, really like.
She thought she could get out of.
1:51:29
It still, yeah, but it also tells you.
How I'll mentally.
1:51:33
She is, you know, her desire to have things.
She's fucking about to be on the hook for murder, and she's worried about her fucking shit.
1:51:41
Yeah.
Losing it all, Yeah.
1:51:42
That she never acquired in the.
First, like she stole it all in the 1st place.
1:51:46
She stole it.
I think she thinks she's smarter than everybody.
1:51:50
She does.
There you go.
1:51:51
That's what it comes down to 100% and to the.
Bitter end you'll.
1:51:54
See, you'll see to.
The bitter end.
1:51:56
She's like, that's darn funny as the finest.
Yeah, yeah.
1:51:59
You're just cops, Yeah.
Yeah, you want to go on Oprah?
1:52:04
I'm an I'm an HVAC specialist.
And a.
1:52:06
Nurse, you're.
Just a cop who wants to fuck me in the hotel.
1:52:09
Yeah.
So look at.
1:52:11
This yes open.
Yeah, you're talking.
1:52:15
Vagina.
So get this.
1:52:18
Dee Dee, actually.
And I guess it's APD thing, I don't know, but she's actually released that night because of
1:52:25
technically they don't have a confession yet and they don't yet have the body.
Oh my God, I didn't see her Miranda rights.
1:52:32
Yeah.
Clearly you.
1:52:33
Have the right to mean.
So.
1:52:36
So she's released, but the house where?
Abraham was murdered, was swarmed by crime scene investigators, and it didn't take long for them to
1:52:44
figure out that this most certainly is where Abraham was killed.
So they go into the office and they find carpet with blood, you know, the blue light people and
1:52:53
stuff.
They find all that shit and blood or semen.
1:52:58
Yeah.
No, yeah, no.
1:52:59
On the ceiling.
Yeah, semen.
1:53:01
Floor.
That's crazy.
1:53:02
That's blood.
On January 20. 8th 2010 And remember, we haven't seen Abraham right since April 6th, 2009.
1:53:10
So on January 28th 2010 the body of Abraham Shakespeare was unearthed.
He was wearing a black jacket over a light colored shirt, purplish denim jeans over boxer shorts, a
1:53:22
black belt and black socks with no shoes.
The metal in his jacket, belt and zipper were removed and the body was caked like 6 inches in Lye.
1:53:33
Oh, so she did a little research on.
How to?
1:53:37
She thought about the metal detector and took off anything metal.
On him so people couldn't do that.
1:53:42
And she put Lye to cover up any smell.
Well, that's pretty animals too, right?
1:53:46
And help?
Yep.
1:53:47
Yep.
So they don't dig them.
1:53:48
Up Yep, and help decompose the body decomposition right there it.
Breaks down the fatty acids.
1:53:53
Dang, you have a seizure?
Strong me.
1:53:55
I just woke up.
What's up?
1:53:58
Thank you.
Thanks for joining us.
1:54:01
Yeah, the medical examiner.
Was able to.
1:54:03
Remove 2.
Bullets from Abraham, one in the right upper chest and one in the right lower chest.
1:54:09
And so he was, that's what he was shot twice with that 38 and that's, that's what killed him.
The thing is, at this point, Dee Dee still hasn't told detectives who killed Abraham or why.
1:54:21
So as detectives keep questioning her, she starts throwing out other fucking stories about how
Abraham tried her to get her to pay some drug dealers $200,000 and when she refused, he got pissed.
1:54:37
And she's and there's a gun and yeah, and I may or may not have shot him, I don't know, but it was
in self-defense if I did.
1:54:45
Yeah.
And she says I don't know because I was.
1:54:47
In and out of consciousness.
Because he's choking.
1:54:49
Me.
Yeah, really.
1:54:50
Because you're like 7 foot tall.
Because.
1:54:52
You're the biggest.
Bitch in town?
1:54:53
Yeah, exactly.
Who was choking who here?
1:54:56
Yeah, here's the fucking you.
Want to know how really?
1:54:59
Sick she is.
Here's the coup de My son RJ shot him.
1:55:13
Wait.
Oh no.
1:55:14
Wait, wait, I missed that.
One my son RJ shot him RJ with a hard R.
1:55:24
RJ with the hard hard.
No kidding.
1:55:26
Oh my God, this.
Girl is ruthless, ruthless.
1:55:29
She doesn't give up.
Wait, what happened to the?
1:55:32
Boyfriend.
Where's the boyfriend in this side?
1:55:33
Is he still hanging around?
Oh, Shar.
1:55:35
Shar.
Yeah, we'll get to Shar with the hard heart.
1:55:38
Yeah, Shar.
But Shar actually.
1:55:43
Really has minimal to do with this.
No, no, I'm just.
1:55:45
Like is he still like he's just, he's just young.
He's.
1:55:48
Just hanging out on his Corvette that.
That That's right.
1:55:51
And it's 12 inch Dong.
Yeah, yeah, 6.
1:55:54
Foot high cum shots.
Yeah, yeah.
1:55:56
Oh God, I've.
Seen it 1000 times so.
1:55:59
She blames it on fucking RJ, she says.
That basically RJ saw them arguing and he saw Abraham attacker and so he pulled a gun out of the
1:56:10
safe and shot him twice at mind you he's 15 at the time.
Well, it makes sense because he can't be charged as an adult.
1:56:18
And that's maybe, maybe that's her.
That's her thinking though, right?
1:56:21
Like, oh, he'll be OK.
Yeah, yeah.
1:56:23
You know, I'll take care of him while he's in.
And I have all the money.
1:56:26
You know, they're just cops.
This is they'll buy this.
1:56:29
They'll definitely get this story.
It's we're.
1:56:31
Not even close to.
Done.
1:56:32
Like it's out of control already and it gets crazier.
So I thought, I thought that was like the big reveal that.
1:56:38
She was.
That was just the one where you go, OK, She had.
1:56:41
Truly has no bounds.
So they tell her you're a fucking idiot.
1:56:44
That didn't happen.
So her next story is OK, now I'm really going to tell you what happened, right?
1:56:51
Those other six times I was fibbing.
OK, you're right, but this time you got me.
1:56:56
Those were somewheresies.
Look, I was a Girl Scout before and I'm putting up the Girl Scout both, you know, the three finger
1:57:02
thing, you know that's right.
My I'm putting my promise.
1:57:07
Merit badge on the line.
Here.
1:57:09
OK, I promise.
So she says her lawyer that been working with her.
1:57:14
Robert Stitzel shot Abraham because same thing.
There was the drug dealers at the house, Stitzel was there some reason.
1:57:22
Abraham tries to shoot Stitzel, but the gun fails.
And so Stitzel shoots him twice in the chest.
1:57:29
And they're like, come on, man.
This is more ridiculous than the fucking Yeah.
1:57:34
You know, she actually, she would have been better off saying like, yeah, Abraham.
Killed himself.
1:57:39
Yeah, yeah, no shit.
You know, I mean, yeah, couldn't handle the.
1:57:42
Pressure.
Yeah, yeah, he.
1:57:43
Had depression you.
Didn't know that, yeah.
1:57:46
So that's why he was gone.
Yeah.
1:57:47
And then he's like I.
Can't do it.
1:57:49
Bam bam, I'm so rich.
That would have been.
1:57:52
Semi believable.
I don't know.
1:57:54
I mean anything but too much.
Stencil, you know.
1:57:56
Maybe the stripper?
Left him and he got RJ.
1:57:59
Get this, I saved this one for last.
So her dad.
1:58:02
Now is pretty old, right?
And he's in kind of in failing health.
1:58:06
He killed him.
Yeah.
1:58:08
She tries to get her.
Elderly father.
1:58:10
To take the rap for Abraham's murder.
OK, what's the story?
1:58:14
Shielding and wheelchair.
On oxygen and get away from my daughter basically knocked him back into the wall when he shot the
1:58:22
gun so she never got to the story but but get this so.
She was.
1:58:26
When she was not in custody, she was at her dad's house talking to him.
And he, she's telling him all these lies and bullshit about this and that.
1:58:33
And her dad says, baby, I'd, I'd take this all from you if I could.
And she goes, would you really do that?
1:58:38
Yeah.
Would you really do that, Papa?
1:58:40
Oh my goodness.
Man, tell me she got the chair.
1:58:42
So funny thing is her dad she tells her dad like.
You'd really do that?
1:58:46
He's like, what you talking about?
Yeah.
1:58:50
Crank caller.
Crank caller.
1:58:51
Yeah.
And.
1:58:52
Then it's just a saying.
Yeah, I.
1:58:55
Really need that.
Yeah, I'd take a bullet for you.
1:58:57
Not like.
Literally.
1:58:58
Are you thick?
Girl, yeah, they're gonna get shot for you.
1:59:02
I'm just trying to be nice, yeah.
Fuck so so she tries to get her fucking dad to do it so D or to say he did it.
1:59:09
So DD was actually officially arrested and charged on February 2nd 2010 with accessory after the
fact of first degree murder of Abraham Shakespeare.
1:59:20
And so I thought to myself, arrested for accessory after the fact.
How about what though?
1:59:25
What about before the fact?
That's what I'm saying.
1:59:28
So luckily I did right like.
Exactly. 100% premeditated, yeah.
1:59:32
It it made more sense.
Though a few more pages or a few.
1:59:35
More senses down the world.
What that was is just the earliest charge they could get her on.
1:59:40
They knew they were going to, oh, they could prove murder.
Murder.
1:59:43
So just a holder, right?
Just a holder, OK, and so they get her in she.
1:59:47
Tries to get bail and they the judge says I'll grant you bail but it's $1,000,000 and so of course
she can't and he says not only that but if you can produce something that looks like $1,000,000 it
1:59:58
needs to be confirmed that that's actually liquid cash that can be pulled so she she can't he knows
she ain't gonna be able to get fucking bail so she must be running out of money at this point right
2:00:07
because oh 100.
Percent.
2:00:08
Yeah, she should be able to produce $1,000,000 if everything was in her, in her name.
In her name, yeah, she's hemorrhaging.
2:00:15
There's.
Still a lot of.
2:00:16
Assets, but she's got nothing liquid for sure.
Oh, she spent all that heat then.
2:00:20
Or maybe, you know, Yeah.
All kinds of stuff.
2:00:22
Oh, dude, She's, yeah.
I mean.
2:00:26
Char's got to fucking get his.
Well, he got, yeah, he he ain't got a dilly dally for free.
2:00:30
Well, Lance, if you had.
A 23 year old Dick in your house You would.
2:00:33
Understand.
Well, but you clearly don't.
2:00:37
Yeah, I'll let you.
Know that ship sailed.
2:00:39
Yeah.
So you know what I mean.
2:00:41
February 19th, yeah, 2010 the charges were upped to murder in the first degree.
OK.
2:00:47
That's I feel a little bit better about that on December. 10th, 2012 after.
A little more than three hours.
2:00:55
The jury came back with their verdict.
DD Moore was found guilty of first degree murder.
2:01:00
There we go.
She was sentenced to life in prison and life in prison without the possibility of not good enough.
2:01:05
No.
Yeah, actually the death.
2:01:08
Penalty was on.
The block, Really.
2:01:10
Yeah.
But for whatever reason, the judge didn't give her the death penalty.
2:01:13
Obviously, he gave her life in prison.
Now is life 25 and.
2:01:18
Then or is it when you die?
Because I, I, I know some states are a little bit different, correct.
2:01:23
So yes, in some states it is and.
This, it was kind of hard to understand, but 25 years was the absolute minimum that she could serve
2:01:32
before anything was even considered.
But there was an additional stipulation basically put in that said even then you're not getting out.
0:00
So basically it was indeed life without.
2:01:44
OK, I always assumed that life meant you die in prison.
You would think.
2:01:48
So yeah, that's not what that means.
Well, because.
2:01:50
A lot of times.
Like this happened on one.
2:01:52
Of our other.
Stories, They said life without the possibility of parole for 25 years.
2:01:57
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
That's like a jumbo shrimp, right?
2:02:00
Yeah, yeah, that makes no fucking sense.
Whatsoever so.
2:02:05
Kind of crazy the like I said, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but the book is really good and I
recommend it if you guys have time or if any of our listeners have time.
2:02:14
There's a lot more detail in the book about the letters that were written.
They go into depth in an epilogue about where or yeah, I believe in epilogue.
2:02:25
What's at the end epilogue anyway?
Yeah, I don't know.
2:02:29
They go into.
Detail basically in the last chapter.
2:02:32
About what she's doing now, where she's at and she's at Ocala prison in Florida and she's in a like
not a maximum security, but a heavy duty security female facility.
2:02:47
She basically works as a cleaning lady and she's not allowed to do any of the like.
There are rehabilitated programs in that prison, but she's not allowed to do them because she
2:02:57
doesn't have the possibility of parole.
So they don't even let her.
2:02:59
Like the horse programs and shit like that, they're like, Nope, you don't do that.
You're just a piece of meat on a.
2:03:04
Slab exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
2:03:07
And so here's the other crazy.
Thing still to this day she claims, you know, she didn't do it and drug dealer or she actually tried
2:03:14
to blame so she she tried to she when she was blaming her son RJ with the hard R yeah, with hard R
yeah, get back to the backhoe.
2:03:23
She said what actually happened.
Happened is RJ shot him like I told you and I called my husband and said hey I need some help this
2:03:32
is what happened.
And he said OK, so he came and dug the hole with the backhoe that I needed.
2:03:38
And then I had this concrete company that had poured a slab for me earlier lay basically come and do
one more slab, a 30 by 30 in the backyard.
2:03:46
And So what the truth of it actually was is RJ obviously didn't do it.
And the the dad did come.
2:03:54
He dug the hole.
She was actually building like a laser tag grounds in the backyard or something.
2:04:00
And so she had a bunch of work going on back there and she called him and said, hey, I bought this
backhoe off this auction.
2:04:07
Will you please come and use it and dig this hole for me for this laser thing that I'm doing?
He's like, yeah, that's fine.
2:04:13
So he comes, digs the hole for her, and then so many hours later, he says, I come back and she's all
dirty and sweaty and you can tell she's been working, doing something.
2:04:23
She's an HVAC specialist.
Yeah, exactly.
2:04:25
Clearly.
I mean, she has.
2:04:27
Properties to maintain.
That's right, yeah.
2:04:29
So he's like.
OK, whatever.
2:04:31
And she's like, can you fill the hole in?
And so he says it's about night now.
2:04:34
So he's like, I don't pay any attention.
I'm just trying to get in and out of there.
2:04:37
So I fill the fucking hole in and I leave.
Yeah.
2:04:39
And she did actually have the contractors that were out earlier for concrete work put a 30 by 30
slab over the hole.
2:04:47
That was Doug.
She tried to fucking rope in her ex-husband.
2:04:51
That's like, dude, I fucking got away from you years ago.
Like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I should be in that hole.
2:04:56
Yeah, yeah.
No, fucking just probably.
2:04:58
What?
He's thinking like, man, I lucked the fuck out. $1,000,000 yeah.
2:05:01
So she still today there's some interviews that she did on 2020.
You got to watch it.
2:05:06
She's laughing and giggling all fucking crazy looking and she talks about having these all these
other witnesses that can come forward and prove that she's innocent and the like person McDonald
2:05:19
like.
Yeah, like what's the?
2:05:21
Purple one.
Grimace, grimace.
2:05:23
I got Grimace Hamburglar, Grimace the.
Hamburglar.
2:05:26
Yeah.
Hamburger is it?
2:05:27
Yeah, what a weirdo.
So.
2:05:31
You know, OK.
If it was me.
2:05:33
This isn't a hard one, right?
Like you just end up, you kill the guy.
2:05:36
They live in Florida.
There's swamps all around.
2:05:39
He gets eaten up by the animals, you know, body's gone.
I don't need to dig dig a hole or involve anybody else.
2:05:46
And police isn't going to think much about it.
Look, rich guy from the.
2:05:49
Hood, like he probably got murdered and you're not going to think much of it.
Yeah, right.
2:05:53
You don't have to put a lot of thought into it.
That's the problem.
2:05:56
She put way too much thought.
Too much.
2:05:58
Detail.
And when there's too much detail, that's when you know.
2:06:01
Somebody's lying.
I always find that interesting when somebody's tried to give me all those little, like little
2:06:06
details like that.
Doesn't.
2:06:08
Yeah.
Now you're lying.
2:06:09
Yeah, for sure.
So when she was doing that interview, she had all those papers.
2:06:13
And the reporter doing it went to grab him and she snatched him back and he's like, well, what are
you?
2:06:18
What are you doing?
I can't look at the papers.
2:06:19
And she's like, well, I don't want to release the names of these people yet because they haven't
been contacted.
2:06:23
And he's like, well, give it to me, I'll contact them, you know?
Yeah.
2:06:27
And he said he could look and see over there that she had like all her hand scribbled notes on it
and shit.
2:06:31
He's like, well, that just looks like a bunch of your scribble on it.
And she's like, she goes blank for a minute.
2:06:37
You know you can tell she's like, no way.
What lie do I fucking come up with for this?
2:06:41
Yeah, my dad did.
It.
2:06:42
Yeah, exactly.
Look over here, I'm going to.
2:06:44
Open my legs.
Yeah.
2:06:47
I can't give that to you because I.
Have AIDS.
2:06:50
Damn it.
Shit would lie his head.
2:06:54
Yeah, what a nightmare, this woman.
Oh my God, dude, so.
2:06:58
You know, you feel for the guy, man.
He, you know, he had a rough life.
2:07:02
He wins a lottery and you think, hey man, the guy finally came up in the world and he just gets beat
up, taken advantage of, murdered by a just a sick lunatic like he he he didn't even.
2:07:15
Meet the wrong person.
The wrong person sought him out as a victim.
2:07:19
Like this is 100% first degree premeditated manipulative murder.
And she gets life in prison, which evidently is what, 25 years?
2:07:29
Yeah, well, some places she did actually get life in prison.
Yeah, she's I agree.
2:07:33
So what's the point just.
You know, just put them in the old electric chair and be done with it.
2:07:39
Fryer up.
That's that's really well, well said Lance like.
2:07:44
He was never looking for trouble helping people out.
He's actually doing pretty well by himself.
2:07:48
I mean for being 1/7.
Grade education, Can't read or write.
2:07:51
Yeah, man, he was expecting it.
Yeah, he meets this girl and she hooks up with him.
2:07:55
And she kills him, you know.
Nope, I was wrong.
2:07:59
Evil found him.
Unfortunately, that is a fact and it takes us back to the start of this thing.
2:08:04
With the lottery, yeah, you know, curse honestly.
So going back now to that conversation just briefly, but you win 500 million, you almost have to
2:08:14
have anonymity with that.
Yes, I said that.
2:08:17
Yeah, that's that's a hard word to say.
I think that's a crustacean in the ocean, no?
2:08:21
It's old wooden.
Ship.
2:08:22
It's an old wooden ship.
Yeah, that's right.
2:08:24
I I do agree with you.
I I've actually thought about that, like not.
2:08:27
The you know, if I became rich, I wouldn't tell anybody, not even my closest friend, not even my
family.
2:08:33
I would get a lawyer.
I'd set myself up, then get my boat and then the hookers.
2:08:37
That's right.
Well, when I what hookers are going to know before your family.
2:08:41
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely yeah.
Well, when I said I was going to disappear, I would.
2:08:46
Disappear with my family.
I didn't mean that I would disappear.
2:08:49
I just wanted to make that very if, when can I'm going to make this very bad.
See the.
2:08:54
Lying in your eye?
I'm not.
2:08:56
A I'm going to be this.
Be very clear for me.
2:08:58
Yeah, I'm disappearing.
How was you, Victor?
2:09:01
By yourself?
Yes, 500.
2:09:03
Million hookers 500.
Million Victor, what are you doing?
2:09:05
500 million.
Honestly, to be completely.
2:09:09
Honest with you, I'm one of those guys that I'm probably, I'm probably giving away 90% of it.
Yeah, I honestly, I'm not too far off from that.
2:09:17
Maybe I'm not 90, but I'm not too far from that.
Because if you think about it, 500 million, let's say I kept 50 million.
2:09:22
For myself, that's still more money than my family or my kids or my grandkids.
If you if you take care of it right that you're ever going to need and you could change so many
2:09:33
people's lives for the good.
And to me, you know, like why?
2:09:37
Would.
You hoard.
2:09:40
You can't even spend it, no.
That's you just.
2:09:42
Yeah.
There's no way you can spend that much money.
2:09:44
That's, I mean, it's a ridiculous amount of money.
I would set my kids up and I wouldn't, you know, honestly, I can't like I still get my boat.
2:09:53
So you got to, yeah, you need the boat for sure.
And the hookers and blow go without.
2:09:56
Say, yeah, right.
Well, how about this?
2:09:59
Why don't?
Why don't?
2:10:00
Why don't you?
Contact on Instagram 72 House under Score Media and tell us what you would do with $500 million.
2:10:06
I like that.
Or, or better yet, e-mail us at 72.
2:10:09
House Podcast.
At gmail.com and tell us what you'd do.
2:10:13
Yeah, you know what?
And I'd like to hear little stories.
2:10:16
Too, Like you guys read them off or something because you know, because you know, every person in
the workplace has had this.
2:10:21
Conversation.
Remember when the Lotto was at almost $1,999,000,000?
2:10:28
I do.
I lost $100 on that bet.
2:10:30
Did you?
I did.
2:10:31
Oh really?
Yeah.
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No fucking.
I thought for sure I was winning for sure.
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Well, didn't happen.
A loser.
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I know what you're going to do.
I know.
2:10:39
It is fun though.
At the Firehouse like when the IT.
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Gets that big, everybody's pulling in their money.
And then that's that's when the conversations are what are you going to do with your money?
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You know?
Oh, you want to hear one more crazy part?
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Fast forward, I can't remember.
How many years Abraham's first wife hits the lottery?
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Oh no, her first wins a million.
Oh, just OK, That's not no, but it's one 1,000,000 bucks.
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I'm kidding.
Yeah.
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Same town, I mean, say.
Yeah, yeah.
2:11:04
Wow.
Yeah.
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What's the word?
Fucking.
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Chances of that that's so anyway.
Hey, great episode, Kenny.
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Thank you for joining us on Late Routers.
Much appreciated.
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And because you're late to the show, yeah, get the fucking dish.
You get a clean up, nerd.
2:11:20
Oh, man.
Yeah, that's right.
2:11:22
All right, me and.
Lance will be in the recliner.
2:11:25
Not.
Fair, but I'll do it.
2:11:26
Signing off.
Yep.
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Signing off.
Thanks.
2:11:28
For joining.
US at 72.
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House for dinner at the Deuce.

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