Mickey and Trudy Thompson

Tonight's dinner banter revolves around Mickey and Trudy Thompson. The racing legend and his wife were tragically gunned down in their front yard, marking a devastating end to the life of the fastest man on four wheels.

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• The Fast Life and Tragic Life of Mickey Thompson, Regular and Roman (Podcast)

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Welcome to dinner at The Deuce.
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To my left, crazy Rob Anders, back in the house, back in the saddle.
And to my right, fancy Lance Carlson Party, otherwise known as Broke Neck Carlson.
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That's right.
Tell us the story real quick.
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Not to be confused with Broke Back.
Yeah, no, it's, it's the same thing.
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It amounts to the other end.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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OK, lifting weights in the station.
Yeah, I was lifting all the weights and, you know, it just came crashing down on my heads.
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Lifting weights are your ego.
All the weights.
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All all of them, all the above.
You're.
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Just jealous of my calves aren't.
You, you know, Fonseca used to make fun of my legs until I said, hey, let's let's major vertically.
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Dan, how tall are my legs versus yours?
I always shut them down.
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Good point.
Good point.
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Yeah, we're always witty.
It's all good.
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Witty, witty.
Witty.
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Witty.
All right, so I'm glad everyone's joining us today for dinner at The Deuce.
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We've got some great episodes.
But before we get started, I did want to say a couple thank yous.
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Crystal, thank you so much for the licorice.
I promise you, we're going to enjoy.
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start with Larry Bernstein.
He's he's a friend of the family that listens religiously, loves the podcast.
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So and, and we can all, I think, you know, we've all got friends and family that are listening.
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They're dying to get on the show and do the RN versus Medic episode.
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Yeah.
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All right, All right, so to the work at hand.
I'm really excited about these episodes for a lot of different reasons.
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The first episode we're doing is Mickey Thompson.
And I, as you guys probably do, too, have been hearing that name since I was a kid.
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Yeah.
And I always associated it with tires.
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Yeah, like the Mickey Thompson super.
Swampers.
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Yeah, absolutely.
You know, you that's not what it is.
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Well, that's one of the many things he did.
Truth be told, that's one of the smaller things he did.
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To be honest with you, he was one of the he pioneered a lot of different things in the sport of drag
racing.
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He's I mean, he's a Hall of Famer.
And so the tires are just one little piece of a humongous legacy and so.
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They've been around for a long time, too.
So on March 16th, 1988, racing legend Mickey and his wife Trudy Thompson were brutally murdered
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outside of their Bradbury, California home.
So I did want to get in and look, I'm a car guy.
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I don't think you 2 are per SE.
And I know a lot of our listeners are not car people.
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And so I'm going to apologize a little bit ahead of time because I do want to spend time talking
about Mickey's career in the auto industry because I feel like it's doing him justice.
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He was a great man who had who had contributed a lot, who was murdered.
And so I do want to talk about the amazing things that he did.
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And so we'll spend some time on that.
So you hit the nail on the head, Rob.
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Different era he he's from, I would say when men were men, Yeah, type of.
Era change your own transmission oil.
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Does I don't know how if this resonate with you guys, but remember American Graffiti kind of takes
me back to that a little bit.
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Yeah, 100% American Graffiti.
Lance, there's that kind of outside your.
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Old.
No, that's you're, that's fifties, right?
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The Happy Days era.
Like, yeah.
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That's when he was in his heyday.
Yeah, OK, so Mickey Thompson, born December 7th, 1928 in Alhambra, CA.
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His father was a stern Irish police officer that believed in the American dream.
If you work your ass off, you can become anything you want.
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And Mickey was raised with those values.
And you'll see that in everything that that this man does.
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He's pretty freaking impressive, to be honest with you.
At the age of 9, Mickey watched a racer by the name of John Cobbs break the land speed record of 402
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mph and was hooked immediately.
That's insane. 402 mph.
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In the land rocket.
Yeah, yeah, he would tell his parents hey one day.
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It's like driving with Golo if you ever ever oh.
My God, you go 400 miles into the Bay, Yeah. 100% it's crazy.
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So he would tell his parents, hey, I'm going to break that record someday.
He had a love for cars from the From Jump St.
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He bought his first car at the age of 14.
It was in 1927 Chevy that he paid a whopping $7.50 for.
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How much would that be worth today?
Dude, insane.
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Yeah, unbelievable.
So he started racing his personally built cars on the dry lakes of California before he was even of
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legal age to drive.
I mean, he's he was the racing world in the car world.
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I mean a young, young age, he was hooked hook, line and sinker done.
So what really became his passion are the land speed records and he would chase them in one
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capacitor the other for the rest of his life.
It's.
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Crazy.
So he marries his first wife, Judy Creech in the late 40s and you always.
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Got to marry your first wife?
Yeah, well, you got to get prepped for that second one, right?
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Without a doubt, Without a doubt.
So they had two children, his daughter Lindy and his son Danny.
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His son Danny was born on October 28th, 1948.
Lindy lives a very private life and Danny would become a racer just like his dad and a a damn good
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one in his own right.
So followed the family business.
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Mickey and Judy's marriage didn't last long and in 1978 he married his second wife, not a boy so.
Upgrade.
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So his first wife, Judy, right, second wife, Trudy?
OK.
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Yeah, well.
I mean, that makes logical sense for sure.
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Duh.
So.
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Don't say the wrong name in bed.
He stayed with her.
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Left with the third wife.
For me, yeah, no shit.
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He stayed with her until his until their death.
OK.
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Only got married twice.
Only married twice, yeah.
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It's because he was killed.
Yeah, he would have got more for sure.
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Oh, for sure, yeah.
It just we didn't get to that.
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Point.
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
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So in 1953, Mickey raced in a race called La Carrera Pan Americana, and it's in Mexico At the time,
this was the most dangerous race that existed.
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We'll get a little bit just a touch into this race, but pretty badass.
Like, this was at a time when there weren't many rules to anything.
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And every time they ran this race, every year, people died, really.
Yes, Death Race, the original.
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Death, Race, death.
Race.
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It is the original Death Race.
No way.
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Where was it at?
Mexico, I don't know what part.
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Of Mexico.
What was the prize?
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Was it just to say you did it?
Maracas.
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You have a set of maracas.
Very nice.
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Yeah, and a stray dog.
Yeah, a stray.
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Dog, 3 legged dog, 3 legged dog.
Yeah.
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So poncho again.
Dangerous.
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Mickey finds out the hard way.
He's racing.
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He swerves to miss a little girl.
Because this race ran through like the street of Mexico.
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Yeah.
And the playground.
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Yeah, yeah, Obstacle course.
Exactly.
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Literally there's people out watching that just walk out in front of the yard to watch the car zoom
by.
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Yes, exactly.
And so he swerves to miss a little girl and ends up crashing his car into a crowd of spectators.
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Killed 6 people.
What?
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Yes.
Yeah, this.
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Is the end of the story?
Is this the true crime?
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No.
It gets worse.
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He killed it.
Well, it's in Mexico, man.
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It's right.
Does that make it not OK?
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That means it's legal.
Oh, it's legal.
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Everything's legal.
Everything.
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Yeah, back then.
So he killed a town official, a police officer, a soldier and three locals in that crash.
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Mickey did.
Mickey did, and three other small children.
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Like, jeez.
I know.
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Save for that one girl.
Yeah, that one.
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What did that little girl grow up to do?
I didn't, I didn't look at the history of the girl beyond that, but Mickey did.
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I will say this, that meant a lot to him.
He did carry that pain with him and it's evident and a lot of things he he talked about and did but
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didn't slow him down.
So what year was this?
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That was in 53. 53 and he died, was murdered in 8888.
OK, what if there was a vendetta?
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So.
Karma payback.
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So Mickey was beginning to be known in the speed industry and in 1955 at the age of 27, he designed
and introduced what was called the Slingshot Dragster.
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And basically to sum this all up, he placed the driver and this is in what do you call it when you
race from the line the drag racing, right?
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So he placed the driver behind the rear axle of the car, which gave the rear tires more traction.
And so when it, you know, when they hit the gas, it could bite down and go.
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And so it completely changed drag racing with that.
It was his idea.
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That was his idea, yeah, and completely changed the sport.
Doesn't seem kind of fucking high.
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So, well, nowadays they put the motor back there 'cause it turns out nine out of 10 motors weigh
more than a human driver.
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Yeah, good point.
So, yeah, it's a very there's still room for improvement.
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Wow.
So Einstein racers they are.
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Yeah.
The style of dragster that Mickey created would become the industry standard for the next 20 years
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until they figured out what you said, Lance.
Yeah.
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OK.
There's other things that weigh more than people.
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Yeah.
So.
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Like weights and motors.
Yeah, so he didn't.
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This was a niche community, obviously, right?
Drag racing wasn't necessarily mainstream and matter of fact, it was more like the bad boys.
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You know that that really.
Birds from Greece.
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That's right.
That's right.
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Leather jackets smoke red Marlboros, Marlboro Reds.
Lucky.
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Strikes non.
Filtered even better.
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So racing by itself though wasn't paying the bills as you guys can imagine.
But make no mistake about it, Mickey was a hustler like we talked about with his dad and had
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unmatched work ethic.
There's no doubt you could have met Mickey back then and known this man's gonna be successful.
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Yeah, successful.
Killing six people in a Mexican.
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Road race man so.
Far, so far alleged.
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Yeah, alleged.
Robin's racing buddy.
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OK, game first or last?
That's true.
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So.
And love you, Tom Cruise.
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In 1955 through 1964, Mickey started managing a drag strip in Long Beach, CA.
He managed everything from.
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Racing.
To the sessions.
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Drag strip means something completely different back then.
Indeed it well, maybe maybe I didn't do a lot of research, maybe he was at a drag strip, not a car
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racing.
I don't know, I don't know, but we're.
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Just being open minded.
So get this you guys will you guys will know this and not being racing people, he invented what's
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called the Christmas tree starting system.
So if you've ever watched a drag race.
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Again, I'm not impressed.
I mean, it's fucking makes sense.
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Yeah, there's.
Red, red, red, yellow, Green go.
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OK, well, yeah, that makes sense, right?
But the stuff that you've invented, I'll bet you 20 years from now they'll go OK, that's yeah, yeah,
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OK it it right.
But wasn't.
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Fucking personal like.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
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Go.
Yeah, it was go literally with the hands waved.
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Yeah, like, oh, you know what?
Like I got this idea for paper that you wipe your bottom when you poop.
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You guys realize everything started somewhere?
Right.
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So he also owned a muffler shop and was a pressman for the LA Times.
So he was hustling, man.
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The guy's working.
Yeah.
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Not for nothing, no.
He replaced hands with lights, light bulbs.
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Exactly.
Very nice.
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So Mickey would finally achieve his childhood dream and international stardom.
In 1960, at the age of 32, he broke the land speed record at the Bonneville Salt Flats with the
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speed of 406.6 miles an hour.
You're by two miles an hour.
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No 4 miles an hour.
I think four O 2 wasn't 02.
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Yeah.
Dang, so 406 miles an hour, That's that's crazy ridiculous.
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Pretty quick.
And those are records that I believe are, I don't think they stand anymore, but it's not a whole lot
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faster.
In 1962, he entered 3 cars in the Indianapolis 500.
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Mickey, along with a guy named John Croswaite, designed a car with a rear mount stock Buick V8
motor.
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Rear mount stock V8.
Correct, the car was in 8th place before a huge oil leak ended their race, but they were awarded the
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Mechanical Achievement award for original design, construction and accomplishment.
So.
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Let me can I inject the current land speed director is held by a thrust SSC, a British jet propelled
car that achieved the speed of.
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I'm pretty sure he broke the sound barrier. 763 mph.
Barely.
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October 15th, 1997 so.
Yeah, that was also jet powered, I'm sure he intended.
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Right, Yeah, he had a saying that he had a Buick in his or something, you know what I mean?
But nonetheless, I'm not.
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Impressed with this guy yet?
Why are we even talking about him?
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So it's weird to think right, the Indianapolis 500 back then he he enters a stock Buick V8 motor
into this thing, which back then I guess they were all pretty basic motors.
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I mean, you know, this is in 1962, but.
Very little modifications that were 100% done right now, 100%, yeah.
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So he attempted over the years to take a lot of different design models to the Indy 500 all the way
through 1968 and had pretty minimal success.
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That first year he entered was his best year.
But again, you know, you're talking about a guy that is, this is like his fourth job.
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You know he's working for the LA Times.
He's got a muffler shop.
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He's an.
Inventor.
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He's an inventor.
He's at the drag strip.
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I mean, he it's unbelievable.
Drag shows, doing drag shows.
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Yeah, all of it.
Many hats.
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So this is 1.
Of his name was Dickie Thompson and.
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So in 1963, Mickey designed what would become one of his signature inventions, the Mickey Thompson
Brand Tire.
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His tires were so superior that they were almost banned from racing.
True story.
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They were made out of rubber.
They were actually made out of rubber and not not.
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He actually reinvented the wheel.
OK, I see to do there.
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He reinvented the wheel, yeah.
So what was so special about his tire?
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What?
What did he do that was so innovative?
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Actually it I didn't get into the detail.
Around they were rounder.
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They were round for one, I think quality basically, and there wasn't a lot of people I don't think
at the time that were making stuff specific for drag racing.
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You know, people were making.
It just was such a niche sport.
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And so it was right for people to come in that knew the industry and make things that they needed.
So he designed a tire that.
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Did he call him Sticky Thompson?
'S he called him Sticky Thompson's OK.
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I see what you did.
There, you like that.
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That was creative.
That was creative.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Somebody just chuckled and rolled their eyes listening to this.
Well, that's what most people know Mickey Thompson for though.
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Or the tires for sure.
That was in 63, right?
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In 1973, Mickey and his wife Trudy, not Judy, formed the what was called the Mickey Thompson
Entertainment Group.
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They ran outdoor motocross and vehicle racing shows that are credited with bringing racing from the
back roads to the mainstream.
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He literally became basically a promoter of these shows and the stuff that you go to now or that
people we know go to the big monster truck rallies and all that.
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Mickey's the father of all this stuff.
No kidding.
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Yeah.
So this says right here that basically to answer your question, Lance, his tire, he was the 1st one
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to utilize a 12 inch wide tire up till then in the Indianapolis 500.
They were the small like almost like like motorcycle tires.
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But he introduced that wider fat tire.
I guess that was like increase the the speed and the performance like no other.
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So.
There you go there.
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You go more rubber, more traction, faster speeds, innovative booyah.
Unbelievable.
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Bingo bango.
It changed the entire tire industry across the industry in the nation.
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It's like a tire, but wider.
Yeah, not really a big deal.
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I mean, I've invented so many things in my life that are far superior to that.
Yeah, Well, for sure, Yeah, yeah.
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How many have you sold?
A lot OK, I don't count them though.
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Yeah, literally 10s of hundreds, Yeah.
Dozens dozily.
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Literally dozens.
So this Entertainment Group that Mickey started, he obviously doesn't know it at the time, but this
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this would end up being the beginning of the end for Mickey.
And unfortunately, Trudy, get this, his tires that we're talking about were chosen for the Navy SEAL
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fast attack vehicle in 1991 that was used during the Gulf War.
I mean, his tires really branched off everywhere.
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Kind of interesting fact, during Mickey's life he would participate in over 10,000 races and win at
least one championship in a wide array of categories of racing.
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And this is all not going to make any sense to anyone, but he won championships in midgets, Sprint
cars, off road vehicles, stock cars, drag racing, sports cars.
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Like him personally or his brand?
No, or him personally?
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Him personally?
Wow.
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Yeah.
So when's he getting murdered?
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Well, we'll get to that buddy.
Don't rush me.
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I want.
To know about the murderers.
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Don't rush me.
What about the childhood of the murderer?
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Rob, are you with me?
Do you want to know about the?
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Childhood.
I already told you we're going to honor Mickey Thompson first.
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All right, right.
All right, what?
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Are you talking about?
You want to know about everybody's childhood?
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No.
How they were raised, how they we're.
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Totally related, he was raised from an Irish cop.
That's right.
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But he's not a murder.
He had a great dad and had inspired his son to live the American dream.
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That's.
Right Well, and in 1990 he was inducted into the International Motorsports Hall of Fame.
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There you go.
So it's very nice.
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I would say he led the dream, yeah.
It's more of the childhood of the murderer, not that's.
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What I'm saying?
Yeah, no, that's not what you said.
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No, I don't know.
I don't.
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I honestly don't know what I said.
Your neck's hurt.
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I don't.
Expect that I'm not thinking straight away off today.
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I am a little off today.
So.
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We're going to we've been truly been on so.
This, this is really the, we're going to talk more about his Entertainment Group because that's kind
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of what unfortunately threw him into what would ultimately caused his murder.
And he, he, he had a merger of that business.
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And so by the time 1973 rolled around, Mickey had begun focusing almost all of his energy to that
Entertainment Group and the promotion of off road racing.
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The WWE of racing pretty.
Much that little fairs and going around tours and merging cars.
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Evil Knievel type stuff, yeah.
That was cool.
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Dude, yeah, hell yeah.
Back then, for sure.
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Yeah, that's what they did.
So around that same time motocross was basically born and this is the like Shoop and Jardine, like
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the all the stuff we watch.
Jardine.
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He's Austin Jardine.
He's a guy that races motocross on our department.
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Oh, his name is Jardine?
Yes.
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Oh, I never called him Jardine.
And So what?
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You're calling the wrong name.
Then tell.
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Him to come say it to my face.
Thank you.
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Come on bro.
Yeah, hey, Jardine.
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So tell that to Robbie A's face.
So motocross, right?
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There was a promoter by the name of Michael Goodwin who would be dubbed the father of supercross.
And you guys know supercross is a huge, monstrous sport, and that's who Mickey went and do a merger
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with.
OK.
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Did it go South?
From all of my research, this guy was a complete fucking douchebag piece.
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Of shit, yeah, yeah, just a promoter, piece of shit kind of guy.
Fucking used car salesman.
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Yeah, he was literally evil man on a cokehead fucking ass wipe.
When he's the Rudolph.
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Kidding.
He's both those things.
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I know you wouldn't believe it that it's even possible.
Come on, say Lance, you're famous.
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You should see my shocked face.
Yeah, let's hear it.
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That's.
My favorite landslide.
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So this guy right had gone to USC and began his promotions career with college parties.
He ultimately dropped out and began his life of douchebaggery before he graduated.
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Ass wipery.
Ass wipery?
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Yeah, yes.
Step below firefighter.
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Yes, barely.
So his whole deal, man, to be quite honest, was like he was your prototypical dude.
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That's him right there.
With money on.
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The screen.
Yes, OK, That is him.
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He is.
That is way douchey.
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And so I'm talking like the fur coats, expensive cars, big game hunting.
He he spent money as fast as it came in.
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Wow.
And he was making a lot of it.
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So Goodwin and Mickey Thompson were absolutely slaying things through the 70s in their own
industries, right?
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Young like living it up.
Living it up, living it up now.
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Now they're two different people though, right?
Goodwin was out doing coke and living this fast life where on the other hand, Mickey wasn't.
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He's just like inventing shit.
He's in his garage tinkering on motors.
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Doing what he loves.
Right.
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Drinking Coke.
Drinking Coke not.
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Going yeah, correct.
Good observation.
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Man, Yeah, yeah.
Thank you.
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And so, so they're selling out literally Major League Baseball, NFL stadiums that prior to that only
could have been sold out by those sports.
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So I mean, it was huge, right?
Fast forward now to the 80s.
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Attendance for both Coke was.
Really good.
22:50
Yeah, the coke got really cold.
Until the 90s.
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You talk about the coke you drink, right?
For sure, yeah.
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Dude, I'm proud to the 80s that's.
When the Mexican Cokes went mainstream.
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Yes, yeah.
But here, let me throw this out.
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Cherry Coke, that was.
When they started making flavored coke cherry.
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Coke was the thing.
If it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Fucking wasn't broke.
They needed Cherry Coke.
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Fucking dig it.
By the 1980s Mickey and Goodwin's shows start to dip.
23:18
Profit margins start getting narrower literally by the show.
And to add to this, Mickey's wife Trudy started to have some health problems which forced both of
23:29
them to take a step back from the business and hire some people to do the work that they used to do
and can no longer do.
23:36
So all of this factors in, and even though all of Mickey's closest friends and family advised
against it, in 1984, Mickey Thompson and Michael Goodwin became business partners.
23:49
Everyone said, hey, this guy's a fucking douche, don't do it.
You guys are too different.
23:53
Mickey, like everything else, did things.
Love it or hate it, he did things his way.
23:58
Yeah, and the heart wants what the heart wants, right?
That's exactly right.
24:02
So Mickey was the bigger name.
So when they did this merger, it ended up being a 7030 split in Mickey Thompson's favor at.
24:11
Least you got the better end of the stick.
As you would probably surmise, the relationship soured pretty fucking fast.
24:17
You take a guy, like we said, that's in his garage tinkering on motors and another guy that's out
running around doing coke and, you know, hanging out of strip clubs all day.
24:27
They're not going to.
They're not.
24:29
They're not going to drive.
Yeah, especially when you're going to 30% split, you know you I'm sure he's he wanted a little bit
24:34
more and Cochin was getting.
Well, well, so that actually does factor in, so 30.
24:39
I thought you said it was 7030.
Yeah, to Mickey Thompson's favor.
24:43
Yeah, I mean, Mickey Thompson has 70%.
Correct.
24:45
Yeah, but the coke head had 30% which he was spinning it faster than he could make it.
That's right.
24:50
So he was saying.
Remember that it was not there.
24:52
You were there.
Yeah, I know I was there.
24:54
But that's not a 30% split.
No, that's not what he's saying.
24:57
What are you saying that doesn't matter?
Go on, we're in.
25:00
See, he wasn't listening again.
Oh, you know, I'm way down here.
25:02
You're what is it fucking Oh no, don't even fucking go there, bro.
Lance, step in the elevator.
25:07
I I got to get in the elevator, I'm in the basement, Rob it the the lights dim over.
Here I'm not fine.
25:14
I'm not saying it, but the word asshole just came to my head.
Just in there.
25:17
I'm not calling you one, OK?
It's just in there.
25:19
I'm not sure.
So back to the story.
25:21
Why you're taking your anger out on me?
So good, I told you, hey me not sorry.
25:25
Listen YouTube back to the fucking story.
All right, all right, so.
25:29
Take it easy bro, we're just kidding.
It's really part of the show.
25:33
No, it's not.
You're literally getting fucking red.
25:35
I'm red, OK?
I'm so angry.
25:37
You have no idea.
You're.
25:38
Yeah.
Never mind.
25:39
OK, so.
We should all kiss.
25:41
Mike's not paying his portion of the bills, which.
Which is 70%.
25:46
No, 30%.
Oh, Mike, not Mike.
25:50
OK, correct.
See, that's not 30% split.
25:53
Mickey actually was covering this though for a period of time because the people that work for these
shows were going unpaid.
26:02
So you know, Mickey S he's one of those guys that's not gonna let that happen, right?
So he he covered it.
26:08
Things eventually come to a head in September of 84 and Mickey ends up suing Mike Goodwin and in
return might counter sue S Mickey.
26:17
So things completely de escalated to the point where they're in court with each other.
The initial case was actually settled pretty quickly and the merger was unravelled, giving Mickey
26:26
control of his original Entertainment Group, Mickey Thompson Entertainment Group.
He got a 70% back.
26:33
Correct.
There we go.
26:33
OK.
Correct.
26:34
You're back with us.
Right, OK.
26:36
That's not a 30% split.
OK, let's move past that.
26:40
So.
I'm ruminating.
26:43
Goodwin, being the weasel he was, ends up filing bankruptcy and rebrands his company.
He had absolutely no intentions of paying Mickey, and Mickey had no intentions of letting his ass
26:54
off, just the same as Mickey paid those people.
He also had he had in his mind that look, if you owe me something, you're going to pay me.
27:02
Just old.
School old stuff, which is fair.
27:04
Which is fair, absolutely.
So they they actually both had non compete clauses and because the non compete clause was broken,
27:15
Mickey took Goodwin back to court and was awarded a a settlement now of 750,000.
Dollars, wow, that ain't jump change back in the 80s and then. 30% split all.
27:25
Right, Yeah.
And so in so their non compete was this.
27:30
Basically Goodwin had to stay doing the motorcycle stuff and Mickey had to stay doing the car stuff.
Well, basically Goodwin started dabbling in Mickey's business.
27:39
There.
Right.
27:41
And so this actually went all the way, it goes all the way to the Supreme Court of the United
States.
27:49
The court ruled in favor of Mickey Thompson and Mike Goodwin had officially ran out of any legal
recourse at this point and he had spent upwards of $1,000,000 in legal fees.
28:00
I was.
Asked by the say the winner in all this is the lawyers.
28:03
You are not fucking kidding.
Always, man.
28:05
Always.
Yeah.
28:07
You want to ramp it up?
Cool.
28:08
Let's do it.
More money.
28:09
Yeah.
I'm for you.
28:10
You could totally win, by the way.
Sign here.
28:13
Press hard.
Yeah.
28:14
So Lance, yes, we're we're to the murder buddy.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking.
28:18
About I think I know who did it.
I think you do too, Mickey.
28:21
Yep, Mickey did it.
Yeah, he framed him.
28:23
He.
Framed himself.
28:24
So March 16th, 1988, Mickey and his wife Trudy were about to start their day.
It was approximately 6:00 in the morning.
28:34
Mickey opens the garage door for Trudy to pull out her minivan and he makes his way now back to his
own vehicle.
28:42
At this point 2 armed gunmen attacked.
Mickey was shot 1st and then dragged into his driveway while at the same time the other gunman went
28:53
after Trudy, his wife.
No shit.
28:56
Yep, fucking.
Brutal.
28:58
Trudy was backing up her car when she heard the initial shots.
She got out of her minivan and was shot and wounded.
29:06
She attempted to flee but was unable to make it past the bottom of the driveway.
This is where the second gunman shot Trudy in the head execution style as Mickey as Mickey watched
29:16
saying please don't kill my wife.
No fucking shit.
29:19
Are you serious, dude?
Yep.
29:21
God damn it, and this is in a, you know, a super high end area of California.
Gated community, right?
29:28
I'm not sure if it's gated, but it was.
I mean the rich folks who live.
29:31
There, right, OK.
For sure.
29:34
So the first gunman then shot Mickey in the head.
I wonder if that was part of the plan to shoot her first and then shoot him, or if that's just how
29:42
it played out.
I think it.
29:43
Kind of like a fuck you watch.
This kind of thing.
29:46
I think it just played out that way.
Oh.
29:47
OK, Yeah.
Truth is, I don't even know if they had planned on shooting his wife at all.
29:53
I think it just happened to be she was out there.
Gotcha.
29:56
Yeah, Yeah, just a casualty of the.
Yeah, I think so.
29:59
So yeah, looks like his house, his personal house, is gated.
I don't know if the entire community was gated, but yeah it's a definitely nice area it looks like.
30:06
Yeah, beautiful area for sure.
So you might wonder how we know so much of the details, right?
30:14
If if the gunman didn't get caught and Mickey and his wife were dead, how the hell do we know all
these things happened?
30:19
The Internet?
That's right, AI.
30:23
Time travel.
Time travel.
30:25
That's right.
The flux capacitor, all those things.
30:28
So that's because Mickey Thompson's neighbor had heard the commotion and went outside to see what
the fuck was going on.
30:36
He hears the He hears the conversation happening, beats feet back to his house, and gets his fucking
handgun.
30:43
Nice.
Oh, so he kills Mickey?
30:45
Thompson so the neighbor, so this guy, this guy straight up out of the.
Dude, how many people like dude, sometimes you like be honest Lance, like don't.
30:56
Sometimes you like where somebody would break into your house just to release secretly.
Secretly just.
31:01
Have you ever seen that ticked out the but. 1st, I wish my wife and family, we're on vacation, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, you're on the House by yourself.
31:11
Yeah, you hear like the screen door getting like you're like.
Oh the fuck God, I need this.
31:16
Fucking need it so.
Bad.
31:17
Yeah, yeah.
All right, so sidetrack, sidetrack, sorry so.
31:22
This dude grabs a gun.
This guy grabs a gun.
31:24
He's.
Gonna go fucking save the day.
31:26
He has to be from Texas or Arizona.
Or something.
31:29
Fucking state racist.
And so yes, statist.
31:32
Yeah, Statist.
This guy has balls the size of grapefruits, right?
31:37
He he fires at these gunmen as they ride off on bicycles and then he fucking chases.
Bicycles.
31:44
Dude, they ride off on bicycles.
He chases them the entire fucking time.
31:48
Firing off rounds out.
Oh.
31:50
Shit dude, that is Texas.
That is kind of Texas style dude.
31:52
Like.
That is fucking badass.
31:54
Just crap shooting your.
Pistola in the air?
31:56
So this guy watches his neighbor chick get shot in the head.
He watches Mickey get shot in the head.
32:01
Fucking beats feet with his fucking balls of steel, grabs his gun and then Chuck and chases these
two black.
32:07
Butt and bikes.
Unfortunately he had wonky eyes or some shit 'cause he didn't hit anything.
32:12
He didn't hit a fucking bicycle tire.
Probably actually only killed his neighbor.
32:15
Yeah, no shit.
He probably.
32:17
That's probably exactly what happened, actually.
He's the one who shot Mickey and Trudy.
32:20
Probably in the two robber.
Horrible shit.
32:24
Hey, boss, his neighbor killed him and we're going to get him.
This guy's crazy.
32:29
We're out of here.
This guy's fucking nuts.
32:31
I don't know what happened.
So we also know a lot of the details because another of Mickey's neighbor who lived across the
32:39
street, one of a young girl who lived there, unfortunately witnessed the entire fucking event.
What time of day is this?
32:46
Did you say that?
It's in the morning 6:00 in the morning 0. 6:00 in the morning.
32:49
So this this girl witnesses it, grabs her mom who also then witnessed a good chunk of the event, and
the mom picks up the phone calls 911.
32:59
While she's doing that, the young girl runs outside to try and help.
This is fucking amateur hour man.
33:06
It's just not like this is not like a pro hit, right?
Yeah, I mean it's an attempt at that, but like what is going on?
33:12
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah.
33:14
And.
Some cheesy bullshit.
33:15
That kind of plays into it.
I want you to kill these two people.
33:19
OK.
Next question.
33:20
Do you want witnesses or no witnesses?
Yeah, OK.
33:22
Yeah, we did OK.
Are we talking to that bicycle?
33:25
Yeah, the scooter bicycle.
Where, where are we?
33:27
Where are we at here?
Right.
33:29
So.
So she runs out there, and then she hears a couple more guns, gunshots, so she jumps behind a Bush.
33:36
Her mom eventually catches up with her and basically hides with her behind the fucking Bush until
the gunman, you know, fucking speed off on their Schwinn.
33:45
Yeah, wow.
Pring, pring.
33:49
Yeah, as a deck of cards in her spokes, you know.
Her baseball card in her spokes.
33:56
Yeah, so.
So there were other witnesses who saw the two males along the path that they took.
34:04
So these guys take off on their bicycles and they basically go to the like this.
It's it's a freeway to the side of a freeway where there's a fence and there's a big hole cut in the
34:15
fence where they go through and that's where they ditch their Schwins.
Schwins.
34:20
Yeah, so the assailants were described by all the witnesses as two young black males.
So they were pretty comfortable with that.
34:29
Back in the.
In 888088, correct?
34:33
Yeah.
So these motherfuckers could still be alive today.
34:37
Correct, Yes.
So it would take the better part of two decades for justice to be served in the Mickey.
34:45
Oh wait, they found out who did it.
Well, we'll get to OK, yeah.
34:50
I didn't know, I thought this was unsolved.
I thought this was going to be another one of those.
34:54
Yeah, those were.
Like cliffhangers?
34:55
Where the cops dropped the ball again.
Yeah, like you just left page.
34:58
Holy blue ball.
Did you interview the witness?
35:00
No, I didn't interview.
Wait a second.
35:02
Yeah, remember that one?
What was the one like?
35:04
Oh, we didn't walk.
Look at the house.
35:05
We didn't look at the night.
Anyway, we didn't take Prince.
35:07
Anyway, that was yesterday.
Let's give him some lunch.
35:08
That was Johnson.
That's OK, it's not.
35:11
The other guy did it.
It didn't honestly take police long to 0 in on Mike Goodwin, who we would all yeah, jump to right,
35:18
guilty.
Did Thompson have any other?
35:20
Is is go?
Ahead Well.
35:23
Is that Goodwin dude still alive?
He is motherfucker so so they zero in on Goodwin pretty quick, but he is a fairly slimy weasel and
35:32
it is hard to pin him down.
It would ultimately, believe it or not, take the efforts of Mickey's sister, who was a fucking
35:41
bulldog.
Her name is Colleen Campbell, and she's the one that eventually got this case.
35:46
Done fucking go, Colleen, man.
It's usually the family members are the ones who actually care about the victims.
35:51
Well, yeah, rather than, you know, PDA.
Yeah, the murderers don't seem to care for.
35:55
Sure they sure don't.
Which is not at all.
35:58
There's no.
But the cops, man, they're overloaded.
36:00
They're overloaded.
They got ton of cases.
36:02
This is the only neighborhood.
Yeah, look at this.
36:04
Look at the hood.
So Colleen had lost her son a decade before Mickey and his wife were murdered.
36:10
Where'd he go?
Basically, it was a drug deal gone bad.
36:12
Her son that sucks.
And that was.
36:15
Colleen's son.
This is Mickey's cousin Nephew.
36:17
No, this is Mickey's sister.
Yeah, his nephew.
36:19
Correct.
Yeah.
36:21
And so that was actually a crazy story in itself.
But but we won't talk about that.
36:27
So the loss of her son, though, propelled her into victims rights advocacy and eventually politics.
And she became the mayor of San Capistrano from 92 to 2002.
36:37
Wow.
Well, congratulations.
36:39
Yeah, where the beer flows like wine.
Well, and she used.
36:41
The women swim upstream, yeah.
That authority she partially used to help get this case?
36:47
Done.
OK, well, she had an agenda.
36:49
So when Mickey's case went unsolved, she was well versed in what to do next via her victim's rights
and the things that happened with her son.
36:59
So she was able to use her connections to put pressure on the Police Department and keep pushing
this case forward even when it seemed like all avenues had been exhausted.
37:09
So witnesses were found that recalled 2 white males scoping Mickey's house days before the murder.
More than one witness identified Mike Goodwin as one of the men that were in that car scoping the
37:23
neighborhood.
So.
37:26
That's a stretch.
To me, it's a little bit of a stretch.
37:29
Like what do you mean?
How they fucking even know who the guy is?
37:32
Well, they showed him pictures and said, was this the guy?
And he said yeah.
37:35
That's the guy, you know, I saw My Cousin Vinny.
That shit doesn't happen dude.
37:39
Well, a couple of witnesses saw the same thing, but nonetheless get this.
So Goodwin strangely took a trip to the Caribbean days after the murder.
37:52
It's believed he was there to pay the hitman he had hired to kill Mickey and Trudy.
They get their own bikes.
37:58
Though nothing could be proven.
It was a rowboat it.
38:02
Was a rowboat.
Yeah, these were Caribbean schwins, they were.
38:05
The Caribbean schwins.
That's right.
38:07
What's the?
Caribbean Schwinn look like.
38:09
So.
Paddle tyles titles.
38:12
So rocking out to fucking boom box of Rastafarian music.
Yeah, could be.
38:17
It was also noted that the Ballistics results showed that the ammunition used in the Thompson
murders were likely from a Smith and Wesson Model 469.
38:26
That's strangely enough.
Goodwin also had and had purchased in 1984.
38:32
Fucking guilty.
But still not enough for a conviction, right you?
38:35
Can't tell that Ballistics.
Glove fits acquit or something like that something.
38:40
That's how it goes, but.
What does it?
38:42
What does it say?
I thought the dog doesn't fit.
38:44
You got to acquit.
Yeah, that's right.
38:47
Of note, Days after the murder, Goodwin purchased a similar gun.
The theory is that he purchased it to replace the gun that he had given the killers to commit the
38:56
murders.
So he gave him his own personal gun and then bought the same gun to replace the personal.
39:01
Gun correct?
Well, dude, I mean, he's.
39:05
Like, you're right, Rob.
It's amateur hour.
39:07
It's way amateur.
Well, 100% these are these are promoters.
39:10
They're not killers.
But still, I mean, you couldn't, these guys couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag.
39:15
Dude, this guy's all fucking hopped up on fucking coke.
Coke.
39:18
Classic bro.
Yeah, that's true.
39:21
Yeah, that's the original recipe too.
He's.
39:22
Drinking the Mexican Coke.
Yeah, the good stuff.
39:24
Yeah, I hear you.
Yes.
39:27
Ain't no diet in there.
So it's.
39:29
Full, but yeah, yeah, never.
Mind so one last witness wasn't it's going.
39:33
To be a very negative comment.
Was on earth.
39:34
His name is Ronald Stevens.
Ronald Stevens?
39:37
Yep.
I was waiting for him.
39:39
Stevens said that what?
Did Ronald do Victor?
39:41
He says that he saw Mike Goodwin and another man in a 1970s green Malibu casing what he thought at
the time was the grade school that was in that neighborhood days before the murder.
39:53
Trying to find the assailants to shoot this guy.
No.
39:57
Gonna hire the hit men from the grade school.
Yeah, exactly.
40:00
He.
Was like 2 sixth graders, yeah.
40:02
Big ones, yeah.
They won't say anything.
40:03
Anybody.
They'll do anything.
40:05
Just give them candy.
You got a.
40:06
Drivers license.
I forget it.
40:07
Here's a Here's a Schwinn.
That's right, A Jamaican Schwinn.
40:10
Yeah, fucking fucking ride your bike all the way to Jamaica.
Where the fuck he went?
40:15
The Caribbean.
So although the case was no slam dunk, in December of 2001, you think 13 years after the murder,
40:23
Mike Goodwin was arrested on two counts of first degree murder?
Are you fucking kidding me?
40:28
No, I didn't know that.
That's news to me.
40:30
I thought this went.
Unsolved news to all of us.
40:32
I know.
So we talked about someone one of you guys had mentioned, like was there other people that could
40:38
have done it right?
Always Lance.
40:40
Always wondering if he had.
Always Lance.
40:42
Everyone tried to say that the Saudis may have killed Mickey.
Definitely.
40:46
Why wouldn't?
Have been oil for the tires no for faulty auto parts they were sold.
40:50
Oh.
Definitely, for sure, yeah.
40:52
You know those Saudis with the fucking yeah their oil filters and shit?
Yeah, absolutely.
40:57
Yeah, well, they also had the the rubber tire.
They were in direct competition with Saudi tires or 100%, you know the company, the Saudi tire
41:04
company.
Yes, yeah, they have them today.
41:06
Yeah, they have the land world speed record, you foot OK it is.
Ouch.
41:13
I It sounds like he was well liked I.
Mean he was very well liked not.
41:17
By a few.
People.
41:18
Well, obviously.
And he wasn't the type of guy to do shitty business with people.
41:22
If he's the one who's going to pay off promoters out of his own money because his business partner
kind of kind of screwed him out, sounds like he did the right thing for the right reason and he was
41:31
a otherwise a fairly.
Decent.
41:33
Exactly.
He was a good dude.
41:35
So Goodwin also tried to say that hey, it could have been the cartel because Mickey may have been
using his off road events to traffic drugs in Mexico.
41:45
Yeah, definitely.
Not me.
41:46
Who's?
Definitely a way of cokehead things.
41:49
Yeah, exactly.
Cokehead mentality.
41:51
So you see what's happening though man, he's just now throwing shit against.
The fucking wall.
41:55
No, it's them.
It's them.
41:56
Look over there.
Look over here.
41:57
Yeah, we called the Saudis and they said they didn't do it.
Yeah.
42:01
Cartels, Seno.
You have any other?
42:03
Pablo Pablo Escobar.
Yeah, Escobar says.
42:06
Not me.
Not me.
42:07
Yeah, fucking.
Shit so.
42:09
So he arrested this cat.
Well, yeah, And so here's some.
42:13
I'll give you a couple out of the ones that he tried to sell.
He said the Vagos motorcycle gang.
42:18
We're retaliating for Mickey's testimony at his nephew's murder case.
I told you about his sister's kid that got killed in a drug deal gone bad.
42:26
Way back when, yeah.
Yeah, and so Mickey did.
42:29
Testify this is Colleen's son.
Yes, Mickey did testify in that case, but he was a real low level.
42:34
He wasn't anyone started correct and so he tried to say oh the motorcycle gang retaliated.
Then he said a banker Mickey had borrowed against and didn't didn't get his money, he might have did
42:46
it.
A drug addict looking for drug money, he might have did it.
42:50
He literally was fucking throwing anything against the wall that would stick.
Did they catch the actual killers?
42:56
No, they didn't ever catch those guys.
So those motherfuckers are going to listen to this podcast.
43:01
I know.
It I know it.
43:02
OK, cool.
We're going to.
43:04
We should have.
Our Caribbean guys.
43:07
The Caribbean Schwinn gang.
Said we're in, like you said, we're like in 30 countries, right Is the Caribbean.
43:12
Exactly, that's why it's the words getting out.
All right, well, let's have them on.
43:15
We'll give them 20 bucks. $20 each.
They come on to the.
43:18
Pod twice what they got paid in 80.
Eight, I bet you this dude didn't even pay the killers.
43:23
You know, you're probably right.
He's like, yeah, you did such a sloppy.
43:26
Job they're they're in a These guys are cycle gang members.
Yeah, not motorcycle though.
43:32
Bicycle.
Bicycle gangs.
43:33
Bicycle gangs.
Well, yeah.
43:36
What do you do?
I'm anxious to hear.
43:38
All right, so the case finally goes to court in 2006.
Goodwin had been in jail now for five years at this point, right?
43:46
For this.
Yes, no shit.
43:48
The prosecution would call 13 witnesses that heard Mike Goodwin first hand threatened to kill Mickey
Thompson.
43:56
The prosecution also used forensic accountants to show that Mike Goodwin had withdrawn $20,000 the
day of the murder.
44:03
And he had tried to bury it like in other transactions, you know, so like, he sold a boat and did
some other things.
44:10
That fucking idiot dude.
Yeah, he.
44:12
Tried.
I hope you're listening, dude.
44:13
And you were a fucking tool bag.
What a fucking moron.
44:17
Yeah.
So.
44:20
So the defense tried to prove that this was basically a robbery attempt, even though there was
$70,000 worth of jewelry and $4000 in cash that was left on the scene.
44:32
Yeah, you mean in the house?
Right.
44:34
No on the scene they were going to pay some bills.
His wife had a bunch of jewelry on that was worth about 70K and they had 4000 in cash that.
44:42
They're on them to take.
OK, so not in the house actually physically on them.
44:45
They whacked them and they just took off.
So no robbery it was.
44:48
Really.
A whack job?
44:50
Yeah.
But these guys are from the Caribbean, so they might have just took like some mangoes or something.
44:55
Oh fuck, right.
Yeah, a good point.
44:56
That was very like mangoes.
I mean they might not use American dollar chicken Caribbean.
45:01
True, good point.
I don't think the Caribbean listeners appreciate that.
45:05
So you're right.
I take that back.
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So the prosecution brought forth a witness, a woman that Goodwin had an affair with, and she stated
that Goodwin played an unsolved crimes video of the Thompson murders and said look what I've done.
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And I got away with it.
So obviously, you know, there's a woman he had an affair with.
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She probably doesn't exactly love the guy or think he's a great person.
Turn to blackmail him.
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Maybe, maybe not, but whatever I've seen.
That movie.
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This is true.
I've seen that movie too.
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So Goodwin never took the stand in his own defense.
And then on January 7th of 2719, years after the murders, Mike Goodwin was found guilty on two
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counts of first degree murder.
He was sentenced to two life terms without the possibility of parole.
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The two shooters were never captured.
So how that's?
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Incredible.
That's actually pretty impressive.
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I'm, I'm glad like obviously like he, I mean, it sounds like he was the only plausible suspect,
right?
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100% he was.
But even still, they didn't have the actual killer, they didn't have the weapon correct?
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And so for him to be.
At this point.
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Guilty is still pretty impressive.
It very much could have been the neighbor that ran around shooting the whole fucking neighborhood.
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Maybe.
Mike and I'm surprised he didn't try to, like, throw the neighbor under the bus.
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We're like, yeah.
The.
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Neighborhood while Bill shoot, he's pissed all off in the neighborhood like an idiot.
Yeah, no doubt.
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So at the end of the day, look, Goodwin fucking did it, you know?
Sounds like.
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It there's no one else.
Mickey was a good person and a good businessman.
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He he didn't have enemies all over the world.
Goodwin was just.
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Had one enemy, right?
That was motivated.
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But you're right in that a lot of it was circumstantial.
You know, he they didn't have the pieces that you genuinely need for a murder conviction.
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Yeah, it sounds like, honestly, I hate to say it, but it sounded kind of like speculation at best.
I mean, it was.
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It was a sloppy murder.
I'll say this, I'm glad the guy's in jail because he's a piece of shit and deserves to be in jail,
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but you cannot help but look at it and go, man, that's kind of a weak case.
For sure.
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Yeah, I'm not going to argue with you.
All right, fellas.
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Well, listen, That is the murder of Mickey Thompson.
Well, that was a fun one, that was.
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A good dinner.
But before we leave, make sure if you're listening to this, follow our Instagram account at 72 House
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under Score Media and then Rob, you wanted to throw an e-mail.
E-mail 72housepodcast@gmail.com.
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E-mail us comments, profanities, questions, ideas for shows.
All right, let's get this bitch cleaned up.
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Rob.
You got fucking dish duty again, buddy.
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You got to do.
It I'm in, I haven't been here for a while, I'll clean up for you guys.
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Sorry, it's a good.
Deal.
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Thanks guys.
Anyone that works in a field where you deal with emergency based services and see some of the
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craziness that comes out of that world.
Whether you're a nurse, doctor, firefighter, PD, you name it.
48:55
Or just a civilian that has a crazy story.
Yeah, that's a good point, Lance.
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Civilians, anyone with a story that we could tell on this show and laugh about it, joke about it and
put it out there.
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Put in the subject line.
How about cool story?
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Just put cool sweet story dude.
Yeah bro, please do.
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If you got any of those stories, send them in to us.

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