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Dinner at the Deuce

Dave Schultz

March 18, 2025 • 72 House Media • Episode 18

Tonight's dinner topic centers on Olympic wrestling gold medalist Dave Schultz. John DuPont, a multi-millionaire, wrestled with his own inner demons, including paranoid schizophrenia, which ultimately led to the tragic death of one of America’s most legendary wrestlers, Dave Schultz.

Sources:

Team Foxcatcher Documentary
Wikipedia - John DuPont
ATI - allthat'sinteresting.com
LAist
The Guardian

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fellas.

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Welcome to 72 House.

Howdy.

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How's it going?

We made it.

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We got Kung Fu.

Kenny.

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Howdy.

Yeah.

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You made it for another one.

Another one.

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You're only supposed to be a one and done, but here you are.

I know I'm like an STD, it doesn't go away.

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Yeah, Crazy.

Rob's father.

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Exactly what you're talking about.

This sucks, I'm sorry.

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That's why he's not able to be here tonight.

But Kung Fu Kenny will fill in nicely, no doubt.

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Fancy Lance Carlson?

Out am I.

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Right.

We made it.

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I made it.

And welcome to 72 House.

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You got a.

Murder.

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Story with dinner at the Deuce.

You got a murder story for us, it's.

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Murder story.

Actually, it's funny murder mystery.

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I do.

It won't be a mystery for long.

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The Mystery Machine You.

Guys are gonna bought 1.

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You guys are gonna like this one.

One you probably have seen the movies associated with which are Foxcatcher seen it.

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And there's another one called Team Foxcatcher, which is a, it's a Netflix documentary, but really,

really good movies, both of them.

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And I think from everything I hear and read, pretty accurate.

So I don't know if you guys have much of a memory from watching those movies.

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I remember Foxcatcher being the wrestler was really into one guy and he was kind of coked up.

It was like a bad situation.

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It seemed like am I think of the same movie you're.

You're working that way.

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OK.

Yeah.

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All right.

But yes, it's definitely the movie.

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It's been a while.

That movie was in Redtube I'm pretty sure.

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Whatever you just explain.

You might want to clear your browser history because that sounded really weird.

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The wrestler, Kenny, that you're talking about is David Leslie Schultz.

OK, Lance, do you know who he was?

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You wrestled, obviously.

I didn't, Yeah.

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Do you remember?

Hearing much of his name.

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You know I don't.

I don't remember his name, but I do know that he knows me, just to be clear.

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Yeah, but I don't we don't want to state the obvious.

Well no, I mean I I don't want to toot my own horn, but just kidding.

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But he does.

I know that your your career mostly was collegiate style wrestling.

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Yeah, high school wrestling.

Yeah.

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And so Dave, although he was a great collegiate wrestler as well, was primarily where he found his.

His fame is international wrestling.

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So he wrestled.

Yeah, freestyled.

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Yeah, Yep, he wrestled Greco and freestyle, and freestyle is where he was.

Did he make it to?

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Olympics or talk about.

OK, All right, Yeah, we'll talk about that.

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So.

So let's get moving with it.

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Dave Leslie Schultz.

He's born in Palo Alto, CA on June 6th, 1959.

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He had a brother, Mark Schultz.

You guys have probably heard of him too.

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He's 17 months younger.

Yeah, that's a recipe for some kick ass wrestlers right there.

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Yeah, I wrestle with twins.

Yeah, they beat the shit out of each other.

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It's pretty.

Cool.

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Is that Irish twins?

I think less than 12 months, right?

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OK, is that his brother?

Right there with the metal?

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Correct, man.

He's.

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It's kind of a he's kind of a lot.

Smaller than the other one, it's an odd.

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I'll have to check their weights.

I'm not sure what their weights were, but Mark, who's 17 months younger, was a Division One national

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champ, two time world champion in 1984, Olympic gold medalist.

Sounds pretty good.

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So and and he's the underachieving brother.

A little nerd.

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Yeah, exactly.

So he also had two half siblings, Michael and Sienna.

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We won't, we won't get into them because they're not a huge piece of the Yeah.

They probably only like took state or like one nationals.

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One sectionals at best.

Clearly a horrible career.

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Obviously Dave's parents names were Dorothy Jean St.

Germain and Phillip Gary Schultz.

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Dorothy worked as a clothes designer and Phillip worked as a counselor, which was interesting to me

just because obviously my son wrestled.

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And so I've spent a lot of time in that community and it's always strange to me to find out where

these people that are high, high level wrestlers, how they were raised because it's such a, it's not

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a mainstream sport, right?

So how did most people get into it?

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Through their parents is what I've found.

Yeah, well, yeah.

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I mean, if your parents wrestled.

But your dad didn't wrestle, right?

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No, I just wanted.

To fell into it, yeah.

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I mean, I did a little wrestling and I wasn't good at it and I went into martial arts and still

weren't good at it exactly.

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But but like with my.

Failing at wrestling hurts less than failing at martial arts.

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True, you know.

When you just is fake.

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Sure.

With that being said, though, with my son, he tried out for the basketball team and then because of

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his weight, the coach said, yeah, I need you to wrestle.

You'd be perfect because you do jujitsu and he goes, the team needs me.

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And then now he just fell in love with the sport.

That's what happened to Jacob.

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You know, yeah, so kind of almost similar story.

So I wasn't really pushing it.

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And I'm, I'm totally for it.

And I love that he's doing it and all the lessons he's learning.

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But you know, it's interesting.

For sure.

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So his parents were, you know, blue collar workers.

Neither 1 wrestled and interesting enough to Dave was a chubber growing up and his nickname wait a.

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2nd.

Yeah, that didn't Chubber.

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Is that like a shower?

Shower and a grower.

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Is that the no?

Chubs himself up like.

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Fluffer.

He was a tubby, he was fat.

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He was heavier set.

Big bone.

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Yes, pleasantly Plum.

So he was given the nickname, but he.

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Clarified that.

I like it, yeah.

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A chubber?

Yeah, that's what he called.

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Him Pudge So you'll get like this too.

Kenny.

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I think one of the things that pushed him into wrestling is he was picked on as a kid.

Not that part, but he also had dyslexia.

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Oh.

I do and teachers, because, you know, back then the science wasn't great on these types of

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disabilities, but what it did, someone shot is caused his it caused his teachers to believe that he

had some type of like a mental disability.

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OK, because they didn't.

Know.

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No, yeah, I could do that.

Can't read good Exactly.

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Yeah, exactly.

Information gets lost and I'm like, he ain't fool but he found something he was good at.

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Though, so he did.

That's exactly where we're about to get into right now.

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So interesting though, right?

He becomes the highest, highest level of wrestler there is in the world, and he had those challenges

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growing up that you would think would keep you from great heights.

Not the case with it with Dave.

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Matter of fact, his buddy Mark Martel remembers Dave as a pudgy kid, seemingly no muscle and very

unassuming.

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But driven.

I'll tell you that much, but driven.

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I bet you the dyslexia had something to do with that to prove people wrong that gave him that fire

to to go to places.

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You know what I'm saying?

I think you're right.

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I think it probably was a piece that drove him for sure.

And then here's another thing too.

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When did you start wrestling Lance?

9th grade.

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I mean I I dabbled in a few matches in 8th grade, but for the most part my full year was 9th grade.

OK, 9th grade, so that's super late too, obviously I.

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Was a late bloomer.

Most still are the people.

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I'm a groomer.

I'm a grower, by the way.

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I've heard.

I can tell you're chubbed up.

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So most of the people that wrestle at least that wrestle at high level started when they were five

or six years old.

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And so starting in high school was super late.

And that's Dave started wrestling in middle school, which is still fairly late.

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Fell in love with it.

Like you said, Kenny, this was his his sport for sure.

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To to even give you an idea of how much he carried a copy of a book called The Illustrated Guide to

Wrestling in his backpack.

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He'd wear his wrestling shoes to school, and he'd have a singlet under his clothes and headgear

hanging off his backpack.

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OK, I hate this guy.

Yeah, starting off going forward, I hate this guy.

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Always ready for a scrap.

I I remember in high school, I used to see dudes at the gym with wrestling shoes on, like, you know,

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like shadow wrestling in the in the corner.

I'm like, dude, I hope I'm never that guy.

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Well.

He's, you know, like, yeah, at the gas station pumping gas.

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He's like doing single shots.

Yeah, you know, like doing double.

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Legs like like, bro, knock that off, yeah.

Well, I'll tell.

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You this you're impressed.

I think was that guy and he'll whoop your ass too.

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Well, I wouldn't say anything to him.

I'm just saying, I'll say it from a distance, yeah.

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As I'm driving away, good idea behind.

A locked door?

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Yeah, nerd.

Just kidding, it was him.

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I'm out of here, yeah.

In 1977, he won his first state title at Palo Alto High School.

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He pinned every single opponent but his finals match which he tech 12/1.

Dude, that's impressive.

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That is especially in California.

I'll tell.

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You that I'm just going to say.

I did really well in Arizona and then I wrestled this dude nationals from California, and he made me

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look silly.

Dude, California is right there with the East Coast as far as quality.

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For sure, yeah.

That's just because of numbers, right?

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Because so many people live well, no.

Because it's there's only 1153 state champ like so in Arizona there's 1A or 1A2A3A4A5A so there's

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technically like 5.

Different state champs 1.

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What is it, 63162?

Whatever it was back then, State champs in Arizona.

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Back then, all everyone wrestled.

Didn't matter if you were from a big school or a small school.

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You just wrestled your weight class.

You just wrestled your weight class, so for him to do that, that is.

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That's impressive.

Super impressive.

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So get this, it gets a little bit more impressive.

So that same year that he won that high school state title, he won his first national and

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international tournament that same year as a high school senior.

So did you.

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Say he won the international champion.

He won an international tournament, which I'll tell you about what tournament it was because it

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qualifies him for something bigger.

All right, And so when he was wrestling in that national tournament that I told you he won his high

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school year, he pinned A2 time NCAA champ, a guy named Chuck Yaga at the Plains Championship.

This kids senior in high school pinning A2 time NCAA champ, a grown ass man.

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Unbelievable.

That's incredible.

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Yeah.

It gives you an idea like holy crap.

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Not bad for a chubber.

Not bad for a muscle that's chub, yeah.

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Exactly.

That's the tournament, Lance, right?

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It's the Plains tournament.

I don't know if you've heard of that, but because he won that tournament, he qualified for the

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Tbilisi tournament, which at the time was in Soviet Georgia.

It was widely considered at that time to be the toughest tournament on earth.

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He took second.

So he's still a teenager at this point.

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He's a senior in high school.

And he went to Russia, which is a Soviet Union, and he took second.

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Correct.

And he started in high school or you said grade school or middle school?

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Middle school.

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So even if that's 7th grade, that's.

Unbelievable.

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Yeah, incredible.

But it gives you an idea of what a phenom he was.

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Oh yeah, you know.

He's the Michael Jordan of wrestling.

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Oh man, it's ridiculous.

I, I'll make this a short story, but a, a buddy of mine has five boys.

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He was an undefeated national champ from ASU, won the Hodge Trophy, like, you know, was real close

to competing in the Olympics.

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Amazing wrestler.

His kids might even be better than he was really.

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They're one's a senior in high school, one's a freshman in college about to be a sophomore, and they

already are competing and beating previous All Americans national champs as young, really, I mean

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young men that haven't even competed collegiately yet.

You know that's the sign of good parenting.

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Every every father wants their son to do better than them.

Yes, right.

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And lie holy.

And I think that is a a little tip to the hat to his dad that.

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Yeah, and Mom.

Well, well, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I, I don't mean to like exclude her.

I'm saying.

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Like dad, Mom's tougher than the husband.

That's true.

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Yeah, often times.

Yeah, I know my mom's tougher than shit, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

Dude, you don't.

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Generally speaking, you don't fuck with the moms.

Not my mom.

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She'll lose your heart.

So it's a very specific, but nonetheless, Dave was considered the most successful high school senior

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in wrestling in history and still is.

That's how good his senior year in high school was.

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Yeah.

I mean, especially during that time during the Soviet Union, I mean to take second when those, they,

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they were probably pumping those athletes.

Full of drugs, the Soviets were running the show.

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Yeah, yeah, they were known for the wrestling back.

Unbelievable.

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Yeah, Dave, he finishes high school, has an amazing year.

He gets a scholarship to Oklahoma State.

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While he was at Oklahoma, he all American, which for those of the listeners that don't know, that's

the top 8 college wrestlers in each weight class in the country.

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Unbelievable, right?

He goes to Oklahoma State All Americans, then he transfers to Oklahoma and I'm not exactly sure why

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he he went I wasn't able to find that but he does.

He transfers to Oklahoma where he's a two time all American.

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He ends up winning the NCAA tournament in 1982, defeating Mike sheets in overtime who's another

great wrestler.

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He finished his collegiate career 121 and 12 and a three time All American, which all is amazing.

But those things if don't compare to the type of international wrestler he became.

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I mean he still lost 12 matches.

There are a lot of wrestlers, the highest level collegiate wrestlers today are they might lose two

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or three matches in their entire wrestling career.

He lost 12, but internationally he was the man.

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Impressive.

Still someone not to take lightly.

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Most certainly I could take him.

Yeah, I believe it.

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Well, now.

That he's dead, allegedly.

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OK, maybe I can't take them, but I can run.

Dave was actually a much better freestyle and Greco wrestler.

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As I just told you guys then, he was a collegiate style wrestler.

His career ends up spanning 19 years.

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He didn't just wrestle, you know, at a high level for a small period of time.

He did it for a damn near 20 years.

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I mean, that's where people start looking to retire out of professions, let alone.

Wrestling, but there's no profession except for to WWE or at that time, you know what I'm saying?

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So like, how are you making money?

No.

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Well, for well, here's The thing is that he really paved the way for wrestlers because he at the end

of his career, he was literally making, and correct me if I'm wrong, dozens of dollars a year.

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That's my point, though, yeah.

Like what?

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What?

I mean, very true, yeah.

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At some point you got to feed yourself.

Or well, and so that that's.

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Well, no, not when you're a wrestler.

Apparently you don't eat anything.

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That's true.

Talk to myself to worry about food.

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Very cheap sport.

So the thing about you guys are talking about actually get us to where we're going as far as how he

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ended up in the situation that ultimately got him murdered, but a little bit more about his career.

And I know a lot of the listeners that don't know anything about wrestling could care less.

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But like anyone else that was murdered, I feel like we at least owe it to do them justice and the

type of person that they were.

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And so I do want to talk about it even though search some people that might not interest.

So during that time he won 10 senior national titles, 8 freestyle, 2 Greco Roman and in three

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different weight classes 149-9163 and 180.5.

Unbelievable. 149-9149 to 180.

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All the way up to 180.5 during his 1930.

Pounds.

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Oh, oh, oh, I see.

So he was getting bigger as he correct.

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OK, correct.

I thought I was in one.

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I thought he was cutting going.

Yeah, cutting.

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You know I'm bored.

I'm gonna go.

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I'm gonna go up a weight class, Yeah.

Why not?

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Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

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So that makes sense internationally.

He won a world championship in 1983, in an Olympic gold medal in 1984, the highest of the sport.

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You know that the pinnacle of what it offers.

He made it there.

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One of the things that made it different too is that and even that much more meaningful when the

wrestlers in, in Russia at this time, the Soviet Union, they they got paid like a full time job and

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that's all they did via the government is wrestle.

And also if you lost you also.

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Lost your life and your.

Family got you can eat a bullet.

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That's the motivator.

So, Dave Schultz.

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Me.

And the Olympic team back then, they didn't have that that opportunity until Foxcatcher came around,

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which is what we'll get into here shortly.

So Carell from the office, that was like the weird dude.

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Yes, yes, that's the one.

Yes.

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What about him?

He's the one that played Fox Sketcher.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm sorry.

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He played the weirdo.

Yeah.

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He was so fun fact.

You might not know this, Kenny.

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I think I might have told you, Lance.

Yeah, almost.

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Dave Schultz actually tried out for the Olympics in Greco Roman wrestling in 1980.

He took second.

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He lost that spot to 1 John Matthews, the Luke Matthews that we work with.

His dad was an Olympic Greco Roman wrestler.

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Get the hell out of here.

Are you serious?

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Swear to God.

Man.

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Did you know that?

And I did not know that.

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I thought he was just about football.

Well, he was.

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I mean, he's an athlete with in general, but.

Wow, That's crazy.

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Yeah, Luke was a football player, but his dad, you know, and his dad was, he never pushed him one

way or the other.

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And Luke, you know, fell in love with football.

But, yeah, his dad beat out Dave Schultz in 1980 for that Olympic spot.

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Oh.

Man, you said shit him on here, talk to him.

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About that, we we talked about it.

Actually we talked about it, but yeah, Luke's pop's getting a little older and probably wouldn't be

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a good for him.

So yeah, anyway, pretty cool.

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I thought so.

Dave also won four World Cup Championships, 2 Pan American Championships and ended up a seven time

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World and Olympic medalist.

I mean, just a fucking freak.

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Overall badass copy.

That correct?

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Correct.

As bad as they come, dude.

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Yeah, he looks like he's he would be bad.

I mean, he yeah, he has to be bad.

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Here's that face.

It's not the beard.

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It's the bald head with the beard.

Yes, it's very and the hairy chess.

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Yeah, that gets you.

He actually looks kind of Serbian Armenian.

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Yeah, here's something interesting, too.

As bad ass of a dude as Dave was, when you start listening to the interviews that his friends do

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about him and family, anyone that knew him, they don't talk almost at all about his wrestling career

at all.

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They talk almost exclusively about what a kind, nice, gracious man he was.

He to give you an idea, he really admired the Russians and the type of wrestlers they were, but he

19:17

couldn't communicate with them, so he went and learned Russian so.

He just went over there and beat their ass.

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Yeah, well, that too.

Yeah, that too.

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They were so kind.

He he was genuinely known as one of the nicest humans in wrestling.

19:30

He would do anything for anybody, which again kind of plays into how we get to where we get to.

I wish Lance would be that way.

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Not me.

Not today, sorry.

19:43

So because the wrestling world doesn't have professional wrestling, right?

Yeah.

19:49

WWE doesn't count.

That's not.

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Real reverence.

Thank you.

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The best wrestlers try and find coaching jobs towards the end of their competition days, and that's

the best of the best.

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As you guys can imagine, not every school has got a wrestling program, so there's minimal schools

that offer those positions.

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So it's not easy.

Basically my point is that there's the end of your wrestling journey is that of like a bull rider

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beat up.

No money to show for it, just a bunch of $5.00 medals that enter in a box somewhere close.

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To anybody who wants to teach boys wrestling can't typically pass the background check, so.

That is all true.

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Yeah, that too.

Dave actually did spend some time as an assistant coach at the University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma,

20:38

Stanford and the University of Wisconsin.

Madison never did make it into the head coach.

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Ranks.

Yeah, he should have tried harder.

20:48

He just gave up, but suck it.

Yeah, he's a bridesmaid.

20:50

So that brings Dave to where he's at in the early 1990s.

He's recruited by multi millionaire John DuPont to be the head coach of his training facility team

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Foxcatcher.

So John DuPont, it's it's who you think it is the.

21:05

Dupont's Yeah, the the the people who made.

Plastics and.

21:10

Plastic paints and also gases for the Germans as well.

Yeah, so.

21:15

Is that true?

I believe so.

21:16

The DuPont family does have some patents, patents that was had to do with maybe gassing Jews and.

Christmas.

21:25

Yeah, it.

Was just in the testing field.

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It was it was during war.

It.

21:29

Was in official, no biggie.

Correct.

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Yeah, Fact Check me on that just to make sure.

But I want to say that DuPont does have a dark stain in their past.

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All right, so well, on that note, let's get to John DuPont.

So he is born November 2nd, 1938 in Philadelphia, PA.

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He was the youngest of four children.

His parents were William DuPont and Jean Lisseter Austin.

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Those don't mean anything to us, but people older than us will probably know who those people are.

They're some of the richest Americans on earth.

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And he's born in Philly, which anyone that wrestled or spends time in that community knows some of

the best high school wrestlers in the in the country come out of out of Philly or at least out of

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Pennsylvania.

So that gives you a little bit of idea about John DuPont and why wrestling probably might have been

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something he was interested in.

So John grows up on what was called Lissiter Hall.

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Basically, this was a mansion built in 1922 on a 200 acre parcel in Newton Square, Pennsylvania.

Oh.

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Geez.

If you guys get a chance, look it up.

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It's Lissiter Hall, unbelievably beautiful.

I can't even do it justice.

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You have to see it for yourself.

If you want to see it, I would recommend you go look at team Foxcatcher.

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It's on Netflix, amazing documentary and you get to see the land, all the interviews, the house,

everything.

22:54

It's actually really, really interesting that property Lissiter Hall, which like I told you was on a

200 acre parcel in Pennsylvania, was given to William and Jean, which is John's parents as a wedding

23:07

gift from his maternal grandmother.

So.

23:09

That's quite the gift, right?

There.

23:10

Yeah, well, you get an idea of the kind of money we're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, Like this guy is a billionaire.

23:16

Well, maybe.

In today's money, yes, he probably yeah was yeah.

23:20

The family continues adding land to that initial 200 acre property and it ends up at 800 acres at

its peak.

23:29

It's.

Like, massive, yeah.

23:33

I just did that.

I'm not a matter.

23:34

Impression, but I'm very impressed.

I don't know, I can see it.

23:39

Hopefully this Kenny show.

I appreciate that, Lance the mathematician.

23:44

Yeah, my pH don't.

So, so kind of again, to give you an idea of the things that were happening there.

23:53

So they've got this 800 acre piece of unbelievably beautiful land in the 30s and 40s.

They start developing the land for thoroughbred breeding, showing and oh.

24:03

Gee, that's an actual level right there.

Equestrian stuff, yes, that's cool man.

24:07

Horses are expensive.

Yeah, you're right.

24:10

That's a rich person.

'S Oh yeah, Polo question without a doubt.

24:15

And so that's the type of stuff they were into.

What'd?

24:17

You say?

I got a dog.

24:19

I'm.

I'm almost going to get two dogs.

24:20

That's how well I'm doing.

Damn.

24:22

Yeah.

Big time, yeah.

24:24

That's balling on a budget.

Thank you.

24:26

Thank you.

So William and Jean, again, his parents divorced in 1941 and this was a real pivotal moment for

24:34

John.

Jean ends up keeping that Lissiter Hall Farm, the 800 acre property.

24:39

John stays with his mother on the farm and from that time on rarely sees his dad.

And he was two at the time they divorced.

24:49

He was a really weird, awkward kid and you can see it in the movies on that team Foxcatcher that I

told you about.

24:56

But he spent all his time with the servants and his mom.

He didn't have really have friends so.

25:04

He couldn't buy him well.

And actually, it's funny you say that though that brings will bring us to some crazy stories about

25:11

John DuPont, which we'll get to here shortly shortly.

So like I told you guys, he was an extremely awkward kid, didn't have many friends.

25:18

Because of all of this, he never really does developed a social sense.

So with people 100% of the time he came off is strange.

25:28

No matter what.

He ends up graduating high school in 1957 and initially he goes to the University of Pennsylvania

25:36

and later enrolls at the University of Miami.

And I believe at both of these schools, most certainly the second one, he was a swimmer and not bad,

25:43

I don't think super high level, but not bad.

I mean, at the end of the day, he swam on the varsity team in college, but they say was an average

25:51

athlete at best.

But nonetheless, he competed in college and.

25:55

It's.

Not for nothing, no.

25:57

Not for nothing, so he graduates with a degree in biology, but quickly finds a love for, and you

might know this, Kenny Ornithology.

26:06

Yeah, I don't know that.

Yeah, can he want to and tell us what Ornithology is?

26:11

Ornithology is the study of birds.

So he likes to watch birds.

26:14

He likes to watch.

Birds.

26:16

Why would you think I would know that?

Do you know weird shit?

26:19

Man, I do.

But so we just got fat checked.

26:22

I was right about the DuPont, all right.

So we know no longer have to say allegedly.

26:27

Allegedly.

Not to say allegedly, I'm going to say it for a fact.

26:30

For a fact, Google says.

Google, Google.

26:34

Back to the story, fellas.

So he becomes this ornithologist.

26:39

He amasses an unbelievable amount of preserved birds, eggs and seashells.

And in 1957, he finds this Delaware Museum of Natural History, which was originally located on the

26:53

DuPont DuPont property.

But in 72 they open it's they open their doors just outside of Wilmington, DE and what you know it,

27:01

John names himself the director.

So he funds it, opens it, It's all the shit he collected and then.

27:07

It's his stuff anyways.

Yeah, exactly.

27:09

Now he's going to charge people and then he's.

Like, hey, I'm the director and so he kind of this.

27:14

I liked me any any opposed.

You're fired.

27:18

You're fired.

OK.

27:21

All right.

Anybody opposed?

27:22

OK, great.

I'm I, I'm I'm.

27:24

I'm he.

So it's funny because you'll see this trend.

27:30

He basically creates his own.

He's got so much fucking money.

27:34

He creates his own lives.

He creates his own reality.

27:38

You know, I do that sometimes.

Oh yeah, don't.

27:40

I don't have any filthy rich.

I just kind of sit there and pretend.

27:45

I did that in my head though.

It's free.

27:48

It's free.

So John, not only does he love obviously the birds and all that shit, but he also has a a genuine

27:55

love for sports.

And although he's obviously a murderer, he did do some pretty amazing things for the athletic

28:04

communities in the in those areas.

So he was a swimmer, right?

28:09

We talked about that, but what he actually spent the first part of his philanthropy with sports

doing is the pentathlon.

28:18

Do you?

I don't know what that is.

28:19

You look, you're looking at me like I should know anything. 5 Sport.

Anything weird that you shouldn't know you?

28:25

Might know that I'm I'm assuming it has to do with running marathon multiple.

Like multiples, there's there's five events involved.

28:33

Yeah, so.

So where are they?

28:34

Well.

Shit, I mean I wasn't prepared for a follow up question.

28:38

I just know there's five events, so.

Yeah.

28:41

So that's actually kind of a loaded question because there's a bunch of different versions of the

pentathlon, but there is what's called the modern pentathlon, which is what you see in the Olympics

28:52

and so forth, fencing, shooting, swimming, running and horseback.

Fencing, fencing, fencing and then shoot.

28:58

That's not the decathlon, is it?

29:00

Don't know.

No, I think the decathlon is when you're.

29:03

I thought it was strictly track.

I didn't realize the.

29:06

The.

Pentagon Theorem.

29:09

Yeah, the.

Octagon, Yeah, the the potassium right fencing.

29:13

That's I in horseback.

Riding fencing.

29:16

That's so strange.

I mean, because it's like all rich people sports yes, by the way, it.

29:19

Translates to real life.

You know if someone talks shit to you, you know, at the grocery store.

29:24

Yeah, you bring out your Lance or yeah, you bring out your.

Lance, what's that?

29:27

Your Saber, Is that what it's called?

You slap them in the glove in the face.

29:31

With Oh yeah, and then you challenge them to a duo challenge.

Them to a dual fine so.

29:34

A duo.

29:36

Yeah, no, a duel would be when you point and shoot with a musket.

See, this is what I'm fucking talking about, Kenny.

29:44

That's why you keep getting looked at.

So in 1965.

29:49

I challenge you, Sir.

John wins the Australian Championship pentathlon and he ends up hosting the championships, the US

29:57

Championships in 1968 on his property right. 800 fucking acres.

Why wouldn't you?

30:02

Yeah, why wouldn't you?

So he did dream about making an Olympic pentathlon team.

30:08

That never happened, but he did end up managing the US pentathlon team of the 1976 Montreal Games.

I don't know how much of that was.

30:18

Money that basically that he just put on himself.

Yeah.

30:22

And so basically they had no choice but to call him the manager because he donated so much fucking

money to the team.

30:28

Yeah, that's how that works.

Money talks.

30:29

Yeah, right.

It puts you in positions.

30:31

Money talks bullshit.

So I'm still so this how do you say I can't?

30:36

I'm going to mess.

Yeah.

30:36

Pythagorean, Pythagorean theorem.

Thank you.

30:41

Is it still going on to this day?

I mean this is the first I.

30:44

Believe so, yeah.

And there's actually correct.

30:47

It sounds like the Olympics to me, like all the sports that you just.

Put yeah no shit, everyone combined into one Yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:54

OK fascinating so this is interesting, right so he went from swimming to pentathlon and then

sometime in the 80s he gets a bug for international wrestling.

31:05

And this is kind of where things start to intersect with Dave Schultz so in 1985 you'll like this,

Lance.

31:13

He ended up donating to and helping a establish a wrestling program at Villanova University.

He assumed head coaching duties.

31:21

That a boy.

Yes.

31:22

That a boy, anybody can do it.

All you got to do is be super duper strong.

31:27

And Rich?

Yeah.

31:27

You don't need technique.

31:29

No whatsoever.

It's for the birds if you're a bird watcher.

31:35

So yes, bird collector, Sir, I see what you did.

There, you like that.

31:39

I do like that I forgot.

What was called or else I would have said that.

31:42

Ornithology.

Yeah, a hornithology.

31:45

Ornithology.

So it's such a dumb name, I'm sorry.

31:49

He literally.

Has the balls to, well, start this program and because he got so much fucking money, go, yeah, hey,

31:55

I'm going to be the head coach.

Never wrestled a day in his fucking life.

31:59

Yeah, but swimming and wrestling are pretty close.

That's true.

32:02

Very cardio.

Good point.

32:04

Yeah, good cardio.

Just start swimming.

32:06

That's it.

That's.

32:06

Red water.

So the program lasts about two years, and then there's charges of sexual abuse, some other

32:13

indiscretions against John, and the program gets dropped and there goes Villanova wrestling.

Abuse.

32:20

Which on a side.

Part of wrestling.

32:22

Guaranteed he they hired great assistant coaches and recruited kids from high schools that went and

wrestled there to have the program get canceled two years later.

32:31

Huh.

Anyway.

32:32

Yeah, you finger a couple kids and everybody freaks out.

Yeah.

32:36

I know you.

Know what I mean?

32:37

It's weird.

Yeah, children.

32:40

Yeah, I'm so disappointed about how things have.

Yeah.

32:43

And throw up grow.

Up This is where the real intersection happens with Dave.

32:49

In 1986, John builds a world class athletic facility and formed what he would call the Foxcatcher

Training Center on his estate, which he called Foxcatcher Farm and that was named after.

33:03

Yeah, got a lame actually.

His dad had something to do with foxcatching and so that's why he's calls everything foxcatcher.

33:12

But he but his dad was not in the picture, right?

Exactly.

33:15

Why he tries so hard?

I think to.

33:17

Daddy didn't have Daddy never hugged.

Yeah, and how would you know his daddy didn't have box catching when his dad's not even around?

33:23

Like do you ever take him box catching?

Who knows Who knows what.

33:26

I don't know which people do.

You hear me?

33:33

So.

Are you there?

33:36

So he opens this, right, He opens this facility and it is truly world class.

Nowhere else in the country had this and he was all in on wrestling At this point.

33:47

Lance, you probably know, some of our listeners know, but at this time there was very little money

flowing through wrestling.

33:55

Yeah, it's sad because even when I went through in O1, as good as I was, he was.

A state champ, by the way.

34:06

You know, there's just other sports that are it's, it's all about money.

You know, percent football takes a lot of money, Baseball takes a lot of money.

34:12

Women's sports takes a lot of money.

And honestly, like, no one gives a shit about wrestling.

34:17

And so, yeah, yeah, it gets.

Right up, pretty quick.

34:20

It's the hardest sport that it's.

For sure the.

34:22

Least recognized and then unfortunately too, what do you do with it afterwards?

I mean, obviously this guy, the guy we were talking about earlier, not DuPont, but Dave, Dave, he

34:34

made a career out of it, which is very rare.

He's one in a million.

34:37

Yeah, exactly.

So yeah.

34:40

Well, at best, if you get a coaching job, I mean a high level, that's pretty good, you know?

Yeah.

34:45

But unless you're like a like a heavyweight like like Brock Lesnar who can adapt his wrestling

skills.

34:52

And go to the WWE.

Yeah, and as well as the UFC and you know, I mean that's.

34:57

That's that's a hard life.

It's a rarity, yeah.

34:59

Because of the training involved too, like all the nagging injuries.

And yeah, not much money for the pain.

35:07

Or certain.

And so you figure at the highest levels one of the most difficult sports on earth to be good at and

35:14

they've got to do it and try and support themselves travelling across the country because you have,

I mean, across the world because you have to wrestle with the best on earth which are not in

35:25

America.

Sure.

35:27

Yeah.

So you think you're hot shit in one region of the country.

35:31

You you travel a little bit.

You find out pretty quick you may not be.

35:35

Well, my son found out in Flowing Wells when we saw kids down there with tattoos, and he's 15.

Yeah, put their kid down.

35:43

You know, for a nap right before the wrestling match.

Well, I just, I just told my son, I said, hey man, if you win, I'll get you any tattoo you want.

35:49

And he goes, I don't want a tattoo.

I was like, good answer.

35:53

So it's amazing.

What?

35:54

Do you want drugs?

So women all right, all.

35:56

Right.

So these so these wrestlers, they're having to work part time, full time jobs, go, you know, beat

36:03

down doors for donations, for endorsements, you name it.

Well, meanwhile, like we talked about on the other side of the world, the Russians were dominant and

36:11

that's because it was a supported sport by the country.

So these folks got paid.

36:17

They it.

Was their NFL pretty much right?

36:19

Yeah, basically they got fed, housed, all those things.

So all they had to focus on was wrestling, was wrestling.

36:26

And that's why, you know, from an international standpoint, the US has not been able to compete up

until recently on that.

36:35

Scale and that has to do with with actually I want to say the dream team when we in the 90s

International Olympics Association said, hey, since Russia or these countries are doing this because

36:49

all they're doing is supporting these athletes, not just wrestling, but all athletic adventures.

That's why they started letting us use our professional.

36:58

Right, right, correct.

So John comes along, right, Foxcatcher Farm, state-of-the-art facility.

37:05

He has the funds to completely support these athletes, almost identical or better than what the

Russians are getting done.

37:12

He even has some of the people living on the grounds, which allows them to completely focus on

nothing but wrestling.

37:20

And so for for a guy like Dave Schultz and a lot of the wrestlers that were going through Team

Foxcatcher at that time, this was a fucking dream come true.

37:28

Like they're waiting to wake up and have someone pinch them because this shit didn't happen to

wrestling.

37:34

And that factors into this, too, because, you know, Dave had a lot of points in time where he could

have left and he knew that, hey, this guy's fucking not, right?

37:44

And he stayed.

And I think that's a big piece of it is like, you know, as a wrestler at that time, you're thinking,

37:49

hey, this is never going to come again.

This is it.

37:51

Yeah, you want to ride that train, huh?

Absolutely, absolutely.

37:55

So John, because of his money and, and, and also the athletes that he was bringing in, he was able

to recruit the best wrestlers that we had in the country to wrestle on Team Foxcatcher.

38:06

One of those other wrestlers was Mark Schultz, who obviously Dave's brother and he was actually

there before Dave the, you know, not to again, bang up on Mark because Mark obviously was a one of

38:18

the best wrestlers to ever step on a mat just like his brother.

But the thought is that John pretty much used Mark to ultimately get Dave their coaching because

38:28

Dave was the bigger name.

Dave was also an Olympic gold medalist and you guys know that we talked about that.

38:34

So in the early 90s, Mark was able to convince Dave to finally come coach at Foxcatcher Farms.

And at 37 years old, he decided, hey, I'm going to also while I'm there training, I'm going to train

38:47

for a comeback and I'm going to wrestle in the, or at least try and wrestle for a spot in the 96

Atlanta Olympic Games.

38:54

Kenny, what do you remember about the Atlanta Games?

There was an explosion, terrorist event.

38:58

Yes.

Bam.

39:00

Very true.

Great work detective.

39:02

Thank you, Johnson.

See, I knew you were going to know some of that shit for sure.

39:06

Anything history I.

I love, first of all, I love the Olympics, you know, winter or summer, they're just I'm big into

39:14

that stuff, so.

What Dave didn't know, obviously, is he's getting ready to go and embark on this next part of his

39:21

career is that John DuPont is an absolute fucking lunatic.

By the time Dave starts getting with him, he's he's well along in the process of schizophrenia, and

39:34

I mean a paranoid schizophrenic like we run calls on.

Now is is anything any of this diagnosed or is it just speculation?

39:42

No, no.

There was a lot of diagnosed because once he murdered Dave, he had to be mentally evaluated by the

39:50

prison systems.

And we'll talk about that too as far as sentencing.

39:53

So yeah, they're diagnosed.

So he's, he's like I said, he's like some of the people we run on.

39:58

And I say that because the general public I don't think knows or or sees what that disease looks

like it when it's at its worst.

40:09

And I've been on some calls with weird, weird stuff happening.

I remember being at going on a like 2:00 in the morning to a.

40:18

Phone, pay phone, which is kind of dates us, right?

Because those don't exist anymore.

40:23

Yeah, What's that?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

40:25

What's a pay phone?

Nobody has a cell phone.

40:27

What would you call your cell phone?

So it's at that gas station right there on like Broadway.

40:32

And this guy's a younger guy and he's he calls 911 from the pay phone.

We get there and he is.

40:40

You can see on his eyes he's scared shitless.

I mean, he is.

40:43

He believes whatever he he.

Believes what he is seeing and what he's seeing is that his he says my asshole fell out.

40:51

Oh damn.

Damn.

40:52

Yeah.

Well, he to be honest, I've had that happen.

40:57

Did I mention I'm a wrestler?

He he literally thinks he has bowels hanging from his body.

41:04

That's crazy.

Yeah, no shit.

41:06

Did you just tell him that he doesn't?

Yeah, sometimes that's helpful.

41:09

Yeah, oh, 100% yeah.

And he went, oh shit, fine.

41:12

Oh, Oh well.

Thanks guys, See you later.

41:14

Now I don't have to deal.

With you, yeah.

41:17

Hold on real quick though.

So he's a known schizophrenic or is this kind of like who's the billionaire or millionaire that did

41:26

the movies airplanes?

I can't think of his name who became like a agoraphobe where he didn't want to be out in public.

41:33

And the one who?

Leo.

41:35

Leo DiCaprio.

Yeah.

41:37

So was it kind of like that situation or like.

Somewhat OK, there's some similarities, but so his schizophrenia as most people's I think had to do

41:48

with a combination of things.

It's like I told you, he was already a fucking weirdo as a kid and that didn't help.

41:55

He in the 80s, late 80s, he had already years of of cocaine abuse, attaboy, alcohol abuse like a

yeah, I mean the high end shit.

42:07

That's 80s cocaine too, you know that's.

A good stuff Remo exactly so you you start.

42:12

That's du Pont cocaine.

42:14

Yeah, that's paint huffing.

Yeah, straight from the fields of Mexico.

42:18

Oh.

Boy.

42:19

Oh, Cuba.

So he had a lot of things stacked on top of him that were just fueling this absolutely ridiculous

42:27

behavior.

Or good time.

42:30

Yeah, Yeah, true.

Yeah, you're just jealous.

42:32

Exactly.

I mean, why not if you have that much money?

42:36

Hookers and blow, yeah.

Yolo.

42:38

Right.

So you know.

42:39

So pretty much everyone that talks about John, 1 of the things that they say is that, and they said

this all the way up to prior to him becoming a murderer is he's eccentric.

42:49

That's how people would write off his behavior.

Oh, he's eccentric.

42:52

You know, because he's rich.

Yeah, true.

42:54

That keeps people from saying he's fucking crazy because he's going to get me the coke.

Exactly.

42:59

I don't want to.

I don't want to piss him off.

43:01

You know, really good time.

Which also goes to the place to, to your point earlier how Schultz didn't want to leave, you know,

43:09

right.

So kind of dealing with that eccentricity.

43:12

Yeah, absolutely.

For the record, Elton John was eccentric and he never murdered anybody.

43:17

That's true.

Good point.

43:18

So.

Good point, that is true.

43:20

But yeah, Elton John didn't have DuPont money.

Well, and he was a terrible wrestler.

43:24

He always lost, you know what I'm saying?

Oh my God, you got you pinned me.

43:29

Oh dear.

I fell over.

43:32

I fell over again.

So all right, back to the story.

43:35

So even with John's illness, Dave Schultz and John did really well together.

Dave was one of the athletes that actually lived on John's estate and believe it or not, he grew an

43:49

affection for John.

I think Dave and the other wrestlers felt bad for him and they took him in.

43:56

They really did.

They took him in as one of their group and they treated him to say, well, doesn't do it justice.

44:01

They they brought him in and made him feel like he was one of them, which is pretty cool.

When we talked about Dave and how kind of a man people say he was.

44:10

And so, yeah, he, he this weird guy that no one really wants to have anything to do unless he's

donating money.

44:15

And these guys genuinely liked him and they treated him like family and took care of him even

through this illness.

44:20

Yeah, that he's going through, which is another part of why he didn't leave, Right.

A lot of people do wonder that, too.

44:27

Why, hey, why didn't he leave?

This guy's acting like a complete crazy man.

44:32

Why did Dave not leave?

And what people outside of the wrestling community don't know about wrestlers is they're a bunch of

44:41

fucking lunatics too.

The wrestlers that I know at that level, something's wrong inside their head.

44:48

You watch, I'm not telling you, I'm not kidding you, man.

You watch the NCAA Championships and watch the people that win national titles and come off and do

44:56

their interview off the mat.

There's always something off about them.

45:00

A fucking wonky eye, a fucking list, something where you go, he ain't all there.

And I truly believe that to find a love for a sport that is just fucking miserable, that starves

45:16

you, that the girls aren't going to bang you because you won.

You, you, you tell a chick you're a two time state champ or national champ, You're like, OK, what's

45:27

that mean?

Where's the quarterback anyway?

45:30

So are you right tackle?

Are you?

45:32

Do you make a lot of money?

Well, you know 10 guys in poem.

45:35

Yeah, I make dozens of dollars, OK.

Then they exactly find out you're wrestling.

45:40

Anyway, is that janitor single?

What about the backup quarterback?

45:44

Yeah, yeah.

Is anyone else around?

45:46

Yeah.

You kick the ball, don't you?

45:48

No, I don't.

Yeah.

45:49

So true.

So true story, man.

45:50

They are some.

They're some nutty sons of bitches, wrestlers and.

45:53

And the guys they know at that highest level, they are crazy, man.

And so I guarantee you there's a part of John DuPont that they kind of liked, you know, like, hey,

46:03

this motherfucker's off his fucking rocker.

And we kind of like it, you know, weighted souls.

46:09

Yeah, which is crazy, but I.

But I think that's a piece of it.

46:13

Another thing about these guys, right, is people think, well, I shouldn't.

You've been scared of this man that's that's doing all these crazy, ridiculous things.

46:22

But you also got to keep in mind these guys are the toughest men on the fucking planet.

They're ain't scared of shit.

46:28

They're not scared of shit.

Especially that guy, because he's not.

46:31

He's not built, you know, like he's a smaller guy, like he's a.

Swimmer who gives a shit?

46:36

Exactly, exactly away, little man.

Yeah, go on.

46:39

Scram, kid.

So yeah, he didn't.

46:41

He's a Chihuahua.

You know, they're and not only these guys are young too, man, Like they feel like they're fucking

46:47

invincible, you know, so there's a lot of things that factor into why Dave didn't leave.

Wrestling was going amazing.

46:54

The team's getting better and for for a time the people training there were happier than pigs and

shit.

47:01

Before John got totally off his rocker, they were having a legitimate good time, a bunch of good

buddies.

47:07

You know that a lot of them lived on the property.

So they're fucking barbecuing together and dude, just living the life that wrestlers had never got

47:16

to lead prior to that, which I think again, factors into not to leave.

You know, obviously that toughness only goes so far.

47:24

Once John started doing things with weapons, which we'll talk a little bit about here in a second,

that's when things kind of changed.

47:31

Weapons, yeah.

So John was into a lot of things He had a world class collection of.

47:38

Weapons, say ninja stars.

I'll guarantee you had ninja star who doesn't switchblades.

47:43

That's how.

You know both staff.

47:44

Please help me out of both staff.

I'll guarantee you out of both staff.

47:46

Definitely had a Saber 100%.

Saber tooth tiger.

47:50

So so he's he's got like a shit ton of weapons, right to the point that he has a shooting range on

his property.

47:59

That's cool.

That is cool.

48:00

Yeah, and we'll get into that.

But PD, local PD, they would use the shooting range.

48:05

They they actually made him an honorary police officer and.

The head police officer, he he headed up the he's the head police.

48:12

Yeah.

The mountain police.

48:13

Yeah.

I'm the chief, Chief 10 of this 800 Hecke.

48:18

Hi, guys.

Yep.

48:20

So here's an idea of some of the shit that these guys are going through at this time.

So like I said, John's a weapons enthusiast.

48:27

He's also a paranoid schizophrenic.

Those two don't go well together.

48:31

It's.

So well, for me this is getting interesting now.

48:35

So, so get this, this, this weird fucker, he would sit for hours, three to four hours, recording the

trees off in the distance.

48:44

And you're talking about an 800 acre property.

So he's basically looking at a fucking forest and he sits there and just records it for three to

48:50

four hours at a time.

And then he'd have the wrestlers come over, he'd rewind the video and then have him watch and go, do

48:56

you see that?

Just see that.

48:58

Did you see the, you know, tree move over here and the guy run over there and they're like, no,

dude, we didn't fucking see.

49:03

That's a good time.

Yeah, you know, you're you're.

49:06

Partying hard.

Yeah.

49:07

Yeah, this.

Is like I'm not high enough for this?

49:09

Yeah, pass that coke over here.

Let's watch.

49:12

Exactly.

I pass the coke and we'll both see the.

49:15

A tree move?

Yeah, something's going to move.

49:17

Yeah, so these are things that they talk about when you watch the interviews, the things that kind

of started to most certainly scare them to some extent.

49:26

Another instance, John convinces himself that some of the wrestlers are out to get him.

He hires a security detail to protect him.

49:35

And I'm talking about a detail with dudes that are ex CIA, ex military special forces, and he thinks

that these fucking wrestlers have some kind of a plot to kill him.

49:47

And he talks about that on his trial, but you know, give you an idea of the money.

He thinks this is going on.

49:53

So he goes out and hires the most expensive fucking security detail you can get.

One of the problems is the wrestlers, when John would ask him these wacky ass things, they would

50:02

tell him the truth.

They would say no, that didn't happen or that's not happening.

50:06

These security guys and primarily his head of security, they would entertain him like.

Feed into this delusion like.

50:13

Entertain, John.

Too.

50:14

Yeah, Huh.

So they would need to go.

50:16

Oh yeah, I saw it.

I saw the fucking Sasquatch, you know, or whatever, and that didn't help either.

50:20

Those are paid friends 100%.

Exactly.

50:23

Yeah.

Did you hear the part where he hired them?

50:25

That's what I'm saying, you know, like, well, I'm just saying that, you know, they, so they want the

job, they want to keep the job.

50:32

Shit's moving.

So get this, so much so Kenny that he tells them that he thinks Dave Schultz is traveling via

50:40

tunnels underground to get in and out of his property at night and fuck with him.

And so he tells this to the CIA, his security detail, He has them out there in the fucking front

50:50

yard digging fucking holes to try and find the.

Caves.

50:54

The caves.

Yeah, a lot.

50:55

Of people don't know that wrestlers are excellent diggers, yeah.

They're actually known as the Gophers.

51:00

Yeah.

In the athletic community, that's right.

51:03

Yeah, that's right.

They can dig faster in a backhoe.

51:05

That's just science.

Yeah.

51:06

That's where they get all their cauliflower from.

From digging.

51:11

That's right.

So that's a good one.

51:13

So he literally goes from them digging with shovels to he literally has these guys out there with

fucking backhoes digging trenches to try and find tunnels.

51:21

Did they ever tell them we found it and we took care of it?

No, they didn't.

51:26

Which they that's what way.

Too deep.

51:28

They dig deeper than backhoes.

Yeah, you'll never find a Russell's cave.

51:35

Ever.

So.

51:37

So one of the things that we talked about with John and the police stuff, you know, he had that

shooting range.

51:42

And so the cops, he was all friends with them.

You know, he, those guys were buddies.

51:47

Like some of them even lived on his fucking estate, on his property.

So when people would call with some of the weird shit that he was doing, they'd just go, Oh well,

51:57

you know, John's kind of a strange one, You know, he's.

Eccentric.

52:01

He's eccentric, but they never did a fucking thing about it.

Nothing.

52:05

And like I said, they made him an honorary police officer.

Like legitimately he could carry a fucking weapon and was given some of the freedoms that police

52:12

officers are given because of that.

Like Steven Seagal.

52:15

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, but that's legit though.

52:17

For sure.

Yeah, dude, you want to or?

52:19

Shaquille.

Shaquille O'Neal.

52:21

Yeah.

You want to get dunked on?

52:23

I would if you're a criminal dude.

If Shaquille was arresting me, I'd be like, do it, you know?

52:28

When you're 7 foot £500 you can do whatever.

You want?

52:31

Yeah, that helps.

That helps.

52:33

He actually also, towards the end, started telling people that he was the Dalai Lama.

Yeah.

52:40

I get it.

Makes sense.

52:41

Or he was God, you know, like he was like as far off your rocker as you can fucking get.

How much drugs?

52:48

OK, is he still doing drugs or is it now?

Is it more just the paranoia because because what came for the the schizophrenia and the drugs or

52:59

the drugs turned into this?

You know what I'm saying?

53:01

Yeah, I think he was.

He was already had some mental illness and then you tacked that on with being able to buy the best

53:08

and most cocaine of anyone on earth, and now you got fucking problems.

Yeah.

53:13

And so.

He's got Escobar on speed dial like.

53:15

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

53:17

He's getting that shit shipped straight to him from Escobar.

This is before Amazon by the way.

53:23

Direct.

Yeah, wrestlers actually delivered it.

53:25

Yeah, yeah.

Well, they dug down under tunnels.

53:28

Yeah.

They're digging holes, Yeah.

53:29

Yeah, exactly.

So, Lance, you're going to fucking love this.

53:34

This trips me out.

So John, once he started getting into the wrestling world, he really decided like, hey, I want to

53:40

become a world champion wrestler.

Never wrestled a fucking day in his life, right?

53:45

So he starts a Masters wrestling league.

True fucking story dude.

53:51

How old?

What's his age?

53:53

He was.

In his late 50s roughly.

53:59

So he he decides, look, I'm going to start this old man's fucking wrestling league and I'm going to

make it international so that I can say I'm an international fucking champ.

54:08

So he has Dave coach him, right?

Which is crazy.

54:11

Or he didn't coach himself as a head coach.

Yeah, you.

54:13

Would think right?

Well, yeah.

54:15

Jeez.

How is he going to coach he?

54:17

Took a big slice of humble pie on that one.

He did?

54:19

Yeah.

He stepped down from coaching to not coach himself.

54:23

Exactly.

Cool.

54:24

So Dave's coaching him right in his in this corner.

And you see it funny.

54:27

You watch videos, you'll see Dave like shaking his arms out and fucking blowing.

With the towel, yeah.

54:33

Yeah, no doubt that's what he should have fucking did.

And so John's people actually hire a bunch of these older international wrestlers, like I'm talking

54:42

about some old grizzled motherfuckers, you know, like that have been around the block and they pay

him so that John can beat him and win this Masters National International title.

54:52

So like I told you with the with the Villanova program, he.

Original WWE, then.

54:57

That's right.

It is, yeah.

54:59

So he starts building his own fucking realities and you know the wrestlers.

Did dude easy get punch in the face is what happened like early in his in his childhood?

55:09

Yeah, no doubt.

Like we all need to get in a scrap, you know?

55:12

I mean, that's true.

We need to eat a big old piece of humble pie and just.

55:16

Sometimes a good ass.

Whipping.

55:17

That's right.

That'll set you real straight.

55:19

Pain is the best teacher sometimes.

Sometimes you just need to get punched.

55:23

That's a fact.

So you guys got to watch the videos.

55:26

It's on that team Foxcatcher on Netflix.

They have videos of John wrestling in that masters league and dude, it looks like a 5 year old that

55:34

you're just teaching how to wrestle and they're goofy and you know, awkward awkward.

And it looks just like that and you see all these grizzled ass fucking international wrestlers.

55:44

Falling to their backs.

Falling to their backs?

55:46

Oh no, you pinned me.

And it looks like Monty Burns is out there wrestling.

55:53

It's unfucking I'm watching it tonight.

That's what money can do for you.

55:57

You can literally buy people to make your own fucking world.

I'm telling you man, I'm doing it wrong.

56:03

I'll tell you this though, here's what John can say that none of us can.

He was a fucking world champ.

56:09

That's true.

Yeah, a good point.

56:10

I guess I should watch my mouth.

But he didn't.

56:13

Don't talk about.

Him coach himself, though.

56:14

Yeah, I speak with him with reverence, I guess.

That's right.

56:17

The only man who could coach himself and coach the coach.

Yeah.

56:22

And have the coach coach him.

Did that make sense?

56:24

Yeah.

No.

56:25

Yeah, but I like it though.

Yeah, so the wrestlers did obviously placate him in that scenario, right?

56:31

They pretended like, oh, you won a national title, you know?

You're one of us.

56:35

Yeah, and part of it was that they truly did care for the guy.

And so they're kind of trying to do something nice for him.

56:41

Like he wants to be a fucking wrestler.

Let's let him think he's, you know, he's a fucking wrestler.

56:46

Definitely not a coked out DuPont.

Head No, no, no.

56:49

Nazi.

So one of the final straws for some of the wrestlers was when John decided that he hated the color

56:58

black, so he wouldn't let anyone wear black clothes.

Black shirts, black pants, black shoes, none of it.

57:06

Some of the wrestlers even had black cars that he made them get rid of.

Bizarre.

57:10

And for the Coup de Grace, he kicks off all the fucking black wrestlers on the team.

I saw that one coming a mile away.

57:17

Yeah, once again.

Not to see this actually becomes a a big wedge for the United States team because a lot of the

57:25

wrestlers on that team were black wrestlers and like Katie Monday, some of the best wrestlers to

ever step on a mat.

57:32

Does it say in anywhere what made him start hating black?

It does not.

57:38

He just, I don't think one day.

Cocaine made him, yeah.

57:41

Cocaine made him the white made him the white made him hate the black, the white powder.

Fair enough, fair enough.

57:46

I wasn't sure if he might have said like, yeah, it's because of this.

No, it's the white powder.

57:50

The white powder OK booger sugar.

So the wrestlers, the black wrestlers on the team were like, hey fuckers, let's get out of here.

57:56

You know, this is fucked and stupid legitimate complaint if I'm.

I mean, granted, it's easy to look in hindsight, you know, and we know all the factors that kept him

58:06

there.

But I would like to think that as soon as something like that went down that was ethically and

58:12

morally wrong, that you split and go, hey, I'm not going to be a fucking part of.

This well, how much drugs was he doing though?

58:19

Who's he?

Schultz None, none, none.

58:22

Dave was clean living.

58:24

OK, wrestling was his.

Drug.

58:26

OK, that's.

A fact.

58:28

So here's the problem, man, people, a lot of people didn't leave, Dave included.

That's sad and and it was devastating to the wrestlers that were kicked out to the team.

58:37

You know, obviously those guys, although wrestling's an individual sport, those guys all count on

each other to train and to be a part.

58:44

Of the team.

Absolutely.

58:46

So that wasn't good, obviously.

John ends up kicking off another wrestler, a guy named Dan Chade, and he kicks him out, wants him

58:56

off the property, right.

And he thinks same thing, like Dave, he thinks that Dan's out to get him and he's going to try and

59:01

kill him and all these different things.

Dan, he knows he's a fucking lunatic.

59:06

And so he's not really hustling to get off the property.

You know, he stays a couple more days and this really pisses off John.

59:13

So John strolls over to the fucking wrestling room.

He finds Dan shade in the locker room, pulls out a fucking little.

59:21

It's like a handgun size Uzi, a small Uzi and puts it to his chest and tells a guy, don't fuck with

me.

59:29

And the the wrestler, Dan was able to talk him down and ultimately have him put the gun down.

And once that happened, basically John scurried off like a little fucking rat and went back to his

59:42

house.

Which is unnecessary because John's an international wrestler.

59:44

He could have easily taken him.

Easily.

59:46

He didn't need the gun.

Yeah, he didn't need a gun.

59:48

No, I mean I watched what he did to all those old salty dogs.

It was nasty.

59:54

An Uzi though?

An Uzi?

59:56

Wait, not just a gun.

Like no, a fucking Uzi.

59:58

This is the 90s.

Yeah, early 90s, right, Because their kids were.

1:00:02

Trying to end back.

Then.

1:00:03

So they're training for the 96 Olympics.

Yeah, so too short.

1:00:07

So Dan that got the gun pulled on him, he files a police report and like I told you guys, they don't

believe him.

1:00:13

Well, no, they believe him, but they tell him, hey, man, John's a little strange, you know?

But they don't do a fucking thing about it.

1:00:20

He may kick off black people on the team and pull a newsie on something that's just John B and John.

Just crazy, crazy John.

1:00:27

Yeah, go back, old racist Nazi John.

You know exactly.

1:00:33

What a real Rascal, that guy.

So Dan and I got to give Dan a ton of fucking credit, man, because he's got friends that he knows

1:00:40

wants to stay there, but he truly at this point, like these guys are not fucking safe.

And so he goes to the police, doesn't get shit.

1:00:47

So then he goes to USA Wrestling, who again, for the people that don't know wrestling, that's

basically the governing body for international level wrestling in the United States.

1:00:57

So he goes to USA Wrestling, who knows that all of these wrestlers are there, and basically he

condones it and he says, hey, we need to get them the fuck out of there.

1:01:06

Someone's going to get hurt.

He's fucked up.

1:01:09

Is it like a compound?

Is there something that like they can't just up and leave?

1:01:14

No, they can't.

Up and leave.

1:01:15

Well then why didn't they just do that?

Well, that's what we talked about, all the reasons.

1:01:19

It's almost kind of sound like a cult, like a cultish.

Well, those guys weren't, you know, the wrestlers weren't.

1:01:26

All they wanted was to have the ability to train and wrestle.

Well, yeah, true, but like you said.

1:01:31

Earlier, if they're in danger and true danger, then why is Dave the only one like advocating for all

these wrestlers, Dan Oh.

1:01:38

I'm sorry, because while the reasons we talked about right, this, this, this program that they put

together, never before it happened, you know, he's thinking this may never fucking happen again.

1:01:49

The money, the opportunities.

He's a train.

1:01:52

He wants to wrestle in the Olympics and come back.

His family's living there with him.

1:01:57

You know, like dude, it's just.

There's a lot on the line, I get that, but when you're dangerous there, you gotta well, I don't

1:02:05

know, man.

I, you know, I wasn't there.

1:02:07

Obviously, you're right.

There's a lot of lot of moving parts to this 100.

1:02:11

Percent and and I don't it's easy in hindsight, you know to figure it out.

But to get to the finishing part of that, there's a meeting that's held right with USA wrestling and

1:02:22

this this wrestler Dan and they have an hour long discussion slash argument because there's people

that adamantly want those wrestlers out and there's people that don't want them to leave.

1:02:33

Dave is 1 Schultz is one of the people on that meeting.

So they're going back and forth and ultimately it comes down to Dave.

1:02:40

And they say, Dave, what do you what, what do you and what are you going to say about this?

And Dave said, look, man, I've got my wife and kids staying at this complex.

1:02:48

If I didn't think I was safe, I wouldn't be there.

And so he actually was the deciding voice in that room where they decided to let them stay.

1:02:57

And he's the one that gets murdered.

And yeah, exactly.

1:03:01

But Dave does tell his wife because his wife at the time, too, is like, we need to get out of here.

This is not good.

1:03:06

And Dave says, listen, we'll leave, but it's too close to the Olympics.

I got to finish this.

1:03:12

This is our life, you know?

And so she says OK, so they're.

1:03:16

Planning to leave?

Yeah, winner gets 24 bucks.

1:03:19

Exactly.

And a Pizza Hut sponsorship.

1:03:22

That's right.

There you go.

1:03:23

Exactly.

Couple IO us and you're set.

1:03:27

Thousands of dollars.

So there's a wrestler that we haven't talked about, and because he's international, I didn't know.

1:03:36

Unfortunately, I hate to say it, I didn't know who he was.

You guys probably won't either.

1:03:39

But a guy named Valentin Jordanoff, he's a wrestler that's been there for a while.

He's Dave's best friend, and he's a Bulgarian wrestler.

1:03:49

And Dave convinces him, hey, dude, come over here.

Train for the Olympics, Help us coach, we need you here.

1:03:56

So he gets this guy Valentin Jordan off to come to teams Team Foxcatcher.

And to give you an idea about Valentin, I said he's he's good and we should know his name.

1:04:05

It's it's sad that people this good at this sport and no one knows their fucking names.

But he ended his career with an Olympic gold medal.

1:04:12

He was a seven time World champion, A7 time European champion and holds 10 world's medals, 7 gold, 2

silver and one bronze.

1:04:23

That's insane, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, like one of the best in the fucking world.

1:04:28

Who is he again?

His name's Valentin Jordanoff, and he's a Bulgarian.

1:04:33

And so John loves this.

He, he fucking looks up to him, you know, and he fucking pops boners when he's around in the whole

1:04:41

fucking bit.

And so the problem is he really doesn't like that Dave and Valentin are best friends.

1:04:48

He kind of feels like, hey, you're fucking territory here.

Yeah, right.

1:04:52

Exactly, and that along with the fact that he already thought Dave was digging fucking tunnels

trying to kill him.

1:04:59

Yep.

1:05:01

You got to check the fingernails.

There's dirt.

1:05:05

You know what I mean?

That's right.

1:05:06

Giveaway and the ears and the ears.

Ears and the ears.

1:05:10

That's right.

So on January 26th, 1996, Dave and his wife Nancy were home having lunch when John DuPont drives up

1:05:19

with his head of security, a guy named Patrick Goodale.

Dave is inside with his wife.

1:05:25

He's out the window.

He can see the car pull up and him and his wife go OK John's here.

1:05:30

So Dave heads out into the driveway.

Nancy stays inside the house.

1:05:35

John looks at Dave, pulls out his gun and fires three times.

He hits Dave once in the arm, twice in the chest, and drives off.

1:05:44

His gun that he shot him with was a 38 caliber, literally a normal day.

He's eating.

1:05:50

I mean, if you can picture it, you know, like this you went.

There to murder him, basically. 100% Now the security guy didn't know that.

1:05:57

He thought they were going to look at some storm damage that had happened the night prior.

He had no clue that this was going to happen.

1:06:04

DuPont, he's actually the one driving.

So he shoots Dave and peels on out of there and drives, lives back to the fucking big house, his

1:06:11

house, and holes himself in.

The security guy on the way back is going what the fuck did you just do man?

1:06:17

Why?

You know why did you do?

1:06:19

That, but he retreated back to the car.

No, he never got out of the.

1:06:22

Car he never got out.

Of the car oh he never got out of.

1:06:24

The car he shot, he shot Schultz, right?

And the security guard's next to him.

1:06:30

Security guard's freaking out like he just shot this guy.

Correct.

1:06:34

So he shoots him three times.

Nancy comes rushing out of the house.

1:06:38

She finds Dave lying on the driveway.

And this is one of the saddest parts of the whole thing to me, where it it felt real and I felt a

1:06:47

connection about it is Dave's lying on the ground.

And she says, hey, he's trying to catch his breath.

1:06:53

She said when he would compete or train to compete and he'd start getting winded, he'd do this thing

where he, you know, like, basically would try and slow his breathing down and catch his breath so he

1:07:03

could get his wind back.

Yeah.

1:07:06

He's fighting like he thinks.

He thinks in his mind, I know what he's thinking.

1:07:09

Like, OK, I'm going to be OK.

I just got to catch my breath, you know?

1:07:13

Yeah.

And so that's how she finds him.

1:07:16

And she immediately calls 911.

And she sits by Dave's side, and he dies in her arms.

1:07:24

Yeah, He bled out pretty quick.

Yeah.

1:07:27

Stop.

Crying Lent.

1:07:28

It's OK, it's.

So.

1:07:31

Sad.

It is indeed not crying.

1:07:32

I don't know.

So, so John, like I said, he hauls ass back and he tells the security guy, hey, police are going to

1:07:40

be coming, don't let them in.

And he fucking runs inside and and barricades himself in.

1:07:46

Right.

You guys, again, you got to listen to the documentary because they play a lot of the tapes from the

1:07:51

conversations that he had with PD while they're trying to convince him to come out of that house.

You can tell like he's not faking shit.

1:07:58

He's not trying to pretend to be crazy.

He is fucking crazy.

1:08:01

How long was the standoff?

I believe it was two days, just about 3 days.

1:08:06

Did they have fire department there waiting on standby like they do with with us all the time?

Yep.

1:08:12

TLO see right about now Rob would be asking what his upbringing was he was thinking at the at the

time.

1:08:19

Who molested him?

Yeah, who?

1:08:20

Who touched him in the wrong place?

Oh, this is point to nowhere.

1:08:24

I mean, he got touched, but it's this is all drugs.

This is psychosomatic.

1:08:29

Whatever man, I don't know what you just said.

But I don't either.

1:08:32

He just had a seizure.

Yeah, I'm I'm a sign of offense.

1:08:36

So here's.

One of the like just a little quick couple of sentences that police in DuPont shared.

1:08:41

Police, you hear them say Mr. DuPont and John comes on and says what do you want?

Police come back and say we want to get this thing resolved, John.

1:08:51

And he says His Holiness is under siege here.

And The thing is I want to get this thing resolved and P DS like what the fuck?

1:09:00

His Holiness is under siege here.

And dude, he is stone cold fucking serious.

1:09:06

You know, he, he truly believes I am fucking His Holiness.

And so John then comes back and says this was a holy property here, get out of here.

1:09:16

He's running a ministry now.

He's.

1:09:18

Running a ministry now.

Let me guess, he's the priest?

1:09:21

He's the head priest, Yeah.

Very nice.

1:09:24

Yeah, I mean, he's straight up off his fucking rocker, right?

So what police ultimately ended up doing was turning off the power to John's house.

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It's the fucking dead of winter in Pennsylvania.

So as you you can imagine, it's freezing fucking balls out.

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John wants the heat turned back on, so he's having a conversation back and forth with police.

What he ends up deciding is, hey, I'm going to go out and turn the heat back on myself.

1:09:47

Smart.

He's smart.

1:09:48

Exactly.

Makes sense P.

1:09:50

DS waiting you know swat team and shit and as soon as he comes out they fucking.

They nab.

1:09:55

Him, they nab him.

You see a guy, it's fun.

1:09:57

You got to watch it.

You see a guy shoot out of the fucking bushes and fucking tackle him and all all the rest of the

1:10:02

fucking police.

He's a national champ.

1:10:04

It's like I knew my Bush suit would come in handy.

It's a ghillie suit, yeah.

1:10:10

Yeah, and how John didn't RIP their heads off.

You're right, Kenny.

1:10:13

The guy's a fucking national.

He's an international champ International.

1:10:16

And he's a swimmer.

Good thing.

1:10:18

To boot, And an ornithologist.

And he rides a horse in the Saber.

1:10:23

He should have had some kind of weapon of.

God he must have felt bad for PD.

1:10:27

Or something, you know, it was a it was a lucky day for PD that day.

Yeah, he was off his game, off his rocker.

1:10:32

You are not fucking lying man.

So in September of 1996, John, which you guys probably saw this coming, was ruled incompetent to

1:10:41

stand trial.

Poor guy.

1:10:43

Poor.

Fucking guy.

1:10:45

His Holiness got away with it.

Well, when you're His Holiness, what do you I mean?

1:10:50

Yeah, how can you convict God?

Yeah.

1:10:52

There's no higher law, right?

Yeah.

1:10:53

Yeah, you're the guy.

You.

1:10:54

Know by the laws of the Earth, that's for sure.

You're the guy.

1:10:57

You're the man talking about guy all wrong.

So they said, hey, we're at this time we're ruling him incompetent to stand trial, but we're going

1:11:05

to reevaluate him in three months.

So John gets reevaluated and at that time it's now determined, hey, you're going to stand trial you.

0:00

Better be competent.

1:11:14

Yeah.

So basically John says, OK, well, they his his lawyers plead not guilty by reason of insanity, but

1:11:20

he does have to stand trial.

And again, luckily his plea of insanity gets thrown out pretty fucking quick.

1:11:26

And it was determined, hey, he's going to stand trial.

So on February 25th, 1997, John was found guilty of third degree murder.

1:11:35

Now, this is an actual charge, third degree murder, but mentally ill.

And So what does that mean in Pennsylvania?

1:11:42

That means that if he would have been charged with first degree murder, that means that it was

intentional.

1:11:48

If he would have been charged with second degree murder, that means a killing occurring during the

perpetration of a felony.

1:11:54

Very specific third degree murder, which is what he was charged with, is lack of intent to kill.

And that was because they believe.

1:12:04

A gun.

And shoot it three times without the intent to kill.

1:12:08

Right.

Well, the argument.

1:12:10

Is was he at the gun range?

Was his house right in the middle of the gun range?

1:12:13

Oh, and that just happened to be where?

Where?

1:12:14

Who's trying to?

Shoot, no.

1:12:16

OK, OK, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here.

So that was the mentally ill part, right, is how they kind of got to that.

1:12:22

So the third degree murder means that that's.

What money gets?

1:12:26

You, you're absolutely out of it, yeah. 4th degree murder, three degree.

Let's go down the line.

1:12:31

Yep.

So what third degree murder means is the sentencing will be up to the judge also, so it comes with a

1:12:39

possible sentence of five to 40 years in prison.

John was sentenced to 13 to 30 years in prison.

1:12:46

Wait. 13 to 30, like he would be eligible for parole at 13 years, OK minimum of 13, upwards of 30.

So he ended up serving his time at the State Correctional Institution at Mercer, and he actually did

1:13:01

come up for parole in 2009 and it was denied, thankfully, right?

He ends up dying on December 9th, 2010.

1:13:10

He was 72 years old.

He died of COPD so thank God never got out of prison and primarily for Nancy, Dave's wife and all of

1:13:19

the friends and family.

Right?

1:13:20

Could you imagine?

You got to see this piece of shit walk the streets free again.

1:13:24

Yeah, and with that DuPont money, I'm sure it's still hanging around.

So you would have some kind of access to funds.

1:13:30

Not saying he's going to do any damage, but I mean he's living a good life.

So other than the jealousy did did he ever explain his side of the story as to why did he he did?

1:13:39

He was a flying dragon.

He did, and it was what powder, really?

1:13:44

The cocaine, my man, the cocaine.

Maybe do that's?

1:13:47

What the official conclusion?

Was that's what his?

1:13:49

He was on the.

Yeah, he's crazy.

1:13:51

He's a fucking lunatic.

Because too much fucking white powder.

1:13:54

Okay, yeah, but here's some good things.

After the sentencing, Nancy Schultz files a wrongful death suit against DuPont.

1:14:02

The exact numbers aren't known because then when they settle with those things, a lot of times they

you're not allowed to talk about the amount, but the estimation is somewhere in the neighborhood of

1:14:12

35 million.

And you figure this is in in what, 9697?

1:14:18

That's a lot of money.

So it's a lot of money that's.

1:14:20

A lot of money today.

Right.

1:14:21

Yeah.

So here's another one.

1:14:23

I thought this was just mind blowing.

He dies in 2010.

1:14:28

His will gets brought up and issued.

He left 80% of his then 200 million is what he was worth in today's money.

1:14:38

That's $523 million.

He left 80% of that to Valentin Jordanoff and his wife.

1:14:45

What the guy that nobody knows, The Bulgarian wrestler that's.

The one he was originally jealous of.

1:14:50

Yes.

No, John loved that guy.

1:14:53

He was jealous that Dave was, you know, friends with friends with him.

Yeah.

1:14:57

No way.

He leaves 80% of is.

1:15:00

That guy still alive?

He is I'm.

1:15:02

Going to party with.

That dude, I know he ain't lying.

1:15:05

No way so.

So, and that was to get back at Schultz because he didn't like that relationship.

1:15:11

You know.

Got him?

1:15:12

Yeah, as a murder wasn't enough you.

Know.

1:15:15

Now I'm not leaving your family anymore.

Well, when God plans, he does weird things.

1:15:19

He's holy.

Yeah, this Holiness.

1:15:21

Holiness.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

1:15:22

Well.

Technically Schultz was His Holiness because he got shot 3 hours.

1:15:26

Oh oh.

Zinger, too.

1:15:29

Soon as this thing on hello dude that's the twist like he he leaves 8% of his net worth to Hung the

Hungarian wrestler yeah Hungarian wrestler enough Yep well good for him well I mean so.

1:15:43

Here's the thing though.

Yeah, and.

1:15:44

What are?

The chances.

1:15:46

One of the things that they show in that documentary is they interviewed Dave's two kids, a son and

a daughter.

1:15:53

And one of the things that his son says is, hey, you know, when my dad died, Valentin told us that

he, you know, we were family and he was going to be there for us.

1:16:01

And we really never even saw him again after my dad died.

Like, he was not there.

1:16:05

He didn't.

So I guarantee you that there already is bad feelings between the Schultz family and the Jordanovs.

1:16:13

And then you tackle on top of that, that he got left 80% of $200 million, which like we, you know,

is a shit ton of money today, more than even that.

1:16:24

Everybody got paid, everyone got paid.

But if you're, if you're the Schultz family, you're going, dude, we lost our father or our husband,

1:16:34

you know, and this guy's getting $200 million or whatever.

I mean it.

1:16:38

Look, I'm, I'll just say this.

In the grand scheme of fairness, it's not as fair as you would like to see things shake out.

1:16:44

But again, I think the Schultz family, you know, they would trade every penny of that money I know

for for Dave back, But but they at least were compensated and that piece of shit, I had to give up

1:16:56

some of his fortune to their family.

But anyway, so I really wanted to do this story because one wrestling does not get enough love.

1:17:05

It is, you know, you guys know it's one of the most absolute consuming sports on earth.

It's in my opinion, the most pure difficult sport left on earth for humans to compete in.

1:17:18

And it's a shame that they don't, that they are not famous like a basketball player or a football

player.

1:17:24

But Dave was amazing.

I wanted to go over and tell his story and, and especially with you guys because I knew you guys

1:17:31

would be able to appreciate it.

So.

1:17:33

So that's the story of Dave Schultz.

Thank you for joining us at 72 House for dinner at The Deuce.

1:17:40

And that's it, Kenny, get the fucking dishes, won't me?

Yeah, nerd.

1:17:43

Oh man, new guy gets the dishes.

You get fucked up dishes, probie.

1:17:47

That's a wrap, OK?

Good show.

1:17:49

Good show for those who are just tuning in.

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1:17:57

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