Juliane Koepcke and Hans-Wilhelm Koepcke

After a terrifying mid-flight lightning strike, Juliane finds herself plummeting 10,000 feet from a small plane into the dense, unforgiving Peruvian jungle. With no survival gear and no way to contact help, she relies on her vast knowledge of the wild to stay alive. Battling hunger, treacherous terrain, venomous wildlife, and unpredictable weather, Juliane embarks on a grueling journey to escape the jungle's grasp. Her survival becomes a test of willpower, resilience, and the sheer desire to live. 

Hans, her father, had himself an intrepid journey from post WWII Germany to the Peruvian jungle to start his his family and career as a zoologist, ornithologist, and herpetologist.  

Sources:

• YouTube: Wings of Hope
• When I Fell From the Sky: The True Story of One Woman's Miraculous Survival
• Wikipedia - Hans-Wilhelm Koepcke and Juliane Koepcke

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Transcript

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All right, you fuckers, ready?

Yes.

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All right, let's do this. 72 House, K Jack 7.

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All right, you guys ready?

Welcome to 72 House.

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I'm Victor to my left.

Crazy Rob.

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Anders, Robbie.

Why do you call me crazy, Robbie Anders?

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I'm really getting fucking sick of it.

Well, they'll find out in this episode.

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OK, let's go.

One of these days we're going to unwrap you and find out maybe you're not crazy.

0:42

Maybe all of you are crazy.

Oh, I've thought that my whole life.

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Yeah, it's all you, not me.

And who am I?

0:48

Who?

Who am?

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I, my friend or fancy Lance Carlson.

No, it's more of when you ask me that I'm like, who are we?

0:53

Who are?

Who are US?

0:55

Yeah.

You follow that.

0:57

You get it.

So fellas, grab a plate, belly up.

1:01

It's time for dinner at the Deuce.

Chows on, Ding Jongs on Yep.

1:04

What's for dinner?

Tonight Is this a good one, Dad?

1:06

This is a good one.

This.

1:07

Is a good one, yeah.

And I'm super pumped about it because it's actually positive and someone didn't get murdered at the

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end of this thing.

Why not?

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Why are we doing that's?

Why we're here?

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Because it's such a good fucking story.

I.

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Couldn't this one, I don't know anything about it, this I'm coming in raw.

So actually, I'm glad you asked that.

1:26

Rob September listens to a podcast called Morbid.

Morbid.

1:30

Yeah, that's what.

We gonna plug them.

1:31

It's these two girls from Boston.

And ohh, yeah.

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Yeah, Yep.

You got enough.

1:38

They don't got a Boston accent, which bothers me.

I really want to hear.

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They're not from Southie.

They're not Southeast, I don't got it right, but they're podcast is.

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I saw Goodwill hunting.

I feel like I'm Boston Tony and yeah, for sure.

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Absolutely.

How about them apples?

1:51

Yeah, yeah, sure.

They're they're awesome and they're the from my money.

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They're the best true crime podcast out for sure.

Yeah, awesome.

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They're they're the shit.

We inspire to be as good as they do.

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We do.

We 100% or are.

2:05

So I got I listened to this on their podcast and.

They already did this story.

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They did.

Where the fuck are we doing it then?

2:13

Well.

There's not a murder left that someone didn't do.

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Oh, I have.

Yeah, there is.

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Not that has anything you can research.

Bullshit.

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Find it for me.

Done all right?

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You told me I couldn't get on my phone.

Perfect.

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I'm going to Not now, not right now.

Later when you go home.

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Hey, Lance, don't talk to me that way.

Are you assaulting me already?

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No, it's worth.

You just, you try to, like, create this alpha dominance over me with every fucking show.

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Just shut the fuck up.

Is that true?

2:37

Yeah.

I'm going to get Jardine to fucking like, who were we talking about last time?

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Jardine's going to fucking put you in your place.

I love.

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This I love.

This.

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It's definitely not in securities for sure.

Oh fuck.

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Oh, here we go.

See how easy it is.

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No, it's not easy.

It's you and your little fucking stress debriefing training from the fire department.

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You think you're a fucking counselor and you're not?

Just shut the fuck up and listen to Victor where you go 'cause.

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I'm the counselor.

Of what I.

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Don't know something we.

Should September edit all that out?

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Please, back to it, Back to it.

That's fucking awesome.

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I love that So Morbid podcast.

Fucking amazing.

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Absolutely.

Fucking amazing.

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OK.

All right, Julianne Kepka.

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So no one gets murdered.

Just to be clear, no one gets murdered at the.

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End of No one gets murdered.

No, but a lot of people die.

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OK.

Everybody, you should look and see the look on Lance's face.

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The sound it's making is.

Yeah, so, so everyone dies of natural causes.

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Well, no, but they're not murdered.

You'll see.

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It'll make sense.

Stay tuned then, I guess.

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Yes.

So something I'll tell you kind of like I did on the Mickey Thompson episode, Julianne Kepka and her

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family have such an amazing fucking life that it truly makes you feel like a piece of shit for the

life that you lead there's.

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That's very, very aggressive.

No, that's not true.

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Because he's right.

I do feel like shit.

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Why you?

Didn't even know this fucking story.

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Yeah, he feels like shit because you're being mean.

Yeah, I.

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Am not being mean to you.

You're that fucking sensitive.

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You're projecting your emotions.

I am not projecting fucking anything hey.

4:13

Whoa.

Z's.

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Whoa.

Z's.

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He said we need an interview.

This is Joey.

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That was for that was theatric.

Oh, that was Italy.

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OK, alright.

Yeah, I'm.

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Alright, I believe those of you for the record, I believe you.

Know me, I'm totally calm and mellow.

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Oh, always 100% What?

Are you laughing at Producer Girl over there?

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Jesus.

Julianne Kepka right, we're going to spend some time you couldn't I did account As I'm reading this

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book, I in just my little 3 hour world I spent looking into her.

I counted 6 different podcasts we could have made, one about her.

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Her parents.

We're growing up in the time of World War 2 and post World War 2 and we'll spend some time talking

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about that.

But that in itself is a podcast.

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Both of her parents are world renowned scientists and each of their careers is a podcast and a

podcast.

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Wow, her career.

She ends up being a world renowned scientist and you could do a whole other podcast and book on her

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own.

Personal I'm putting I'm picking my phone up.

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I got to look at some of.

This well not.

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Yet keep going.

No, no, no, go, go.

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I'm.

I'm if you get lost, you're fired.

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All right.

Fired all right.

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Done so Julianne Kepka.

She's born in Lima, Peru in October 10th, 1954.

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She's the only child of Maria and Hans Wilhelm Kepka Kepka, so obviously of German descent.

Yeah, I was going to say Wilhelm.

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Sounded Canadian to me.

Kepka.

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I do want to spend time, like I said, talking about her parents because one, I think it's a

humongous piece of how she ended up in Peru, and two, because it's super fucking interesting and I

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think it really adds to the story and how truly unbelievable it is.

Kepka from like Kansas.

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It grows corn.

I don't think that's the same one.

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Sorry, no.

So.

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Sorry, I put my phone back down.

Sounds good.

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So we are going to talk about her parents and I think you guys will agree it's a pretty amazing in

life.

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Hans and Maria, her parents met as doctoral students in Kale, which is in Germany.

Hans started looking for work post doctorate.

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But like I told you guys, this is post World War 2 Germany.

It wasn't exactly easy to find a suitable job as a biologist, in particular in Germany at that time.

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Honey, do you want to go to Peru?

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Like.

Have a job?

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That's kind of how it worked.

Germany's not working out for us anymore.

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Not.

So much we should go somewhere else.

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I'm I'm you know what's funny, man, the Germany piece of this thing post World War 2, that era is

it.

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It truly blows my mind to to think about how different think the life that they let is versus the

life that we lead today.

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It's not you'll see when we get into the things that they had to do to make their goals a reality

and it's it's just doesn't exist anymore are.

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You talking about from being German or just the the time?

The time period and German because right they they're, they're pariah across the world right now,

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the Germans.

Yeah, it turns out they.

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What does that mean?

It means that no one wants them.

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Oh, back then, yes.

Yeah, because they killed like all the Jews, World War 2 and Hitler and all that stuff.

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Correct.

All right, All right.

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OK.

So yeah, they all moved to South America, Argentina, Peru and everything.

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Argentina was a big one.

Yeah, huge.

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So, well, we're and we're talking about Peru.

OK.

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Right now so.

Peruvian so because of.

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Everything going on in Germany at the time, Hans decides to immigrate to a country that has a high

and unexplored biodiversity.

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And also where they would fit in well, that's another they would blend in.

We have to.

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Be actually be welcome.

Blonde hair, blue eye.

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What do you want to go?

Peru?

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Sounds good, honey.

So they choose, obviously, Peru, and by this time Maria and Hans had gotten engaged.

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And she decides, hey, well, I'm following Hans to Peru, but first she's got to complete her

doctorate.

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And so interesting.

It's bad ass for a woman back then.

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Well, that's just what I was going to say.

Like I said, how different times are.

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Back then an unmarried woman following a man across the country was unheard of and risk taker, well

she came from 2 scientists that were pragmatic thinkers and she was every bit herself to where they

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just didn't see things mainstream right?

You know, they had a very pragmatic look at life and so.

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I do share that.

Also because she was Julianne was born in Peru and was of German descent.

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Her parents spoke German as their first language.

She was also fluent in Spanish and German.

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Nice.

Yep.

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So so this I went back and forth how much I wanted to talk about this, but I decided to make it a

pretty big piece of this episode because it's fucking awesome.

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Once her dad decided, OK, we're going to Peru, he starts looking at how am I going to fucking get

there?

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Because like I said, being German at that time and traveling wasn't exactly easy.

They're they're chasing down and hunting down war criminals.

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People are hiding.

Especially people.

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I mean, I don't know if he's high-ranking, but scientist people in.

Well, I mean, was he a Nazi?

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No, he was not, No.

So is he affiliated with any type of?

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Like no, but he is a scientist.

Right, that's what I mean.

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He's laying all of that.

For chemical warfare.

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No, no, no, no.

He he's an.

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Explosive manufacturer, Yeah, No, nothing like that.

Okay, no, all right, so.

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So he himself is not a war.

Crime he is not, but people are suspect of him.

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Yeah.

And so this, what we're going to talk about is actually, believe it or not, the Reader's Digest

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version of this.

And it's pretty fucking in depth.

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So Hans and Maria are married just after arriving in Peru.

And not too long after that, they purchase a home that they call the Humboldt House, right?

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So this is in Lima, Peru.

And they ended up subletting the rooms that are inside in this house to other scientists that were

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passing through the country for research.

Other Germans.

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All over the world, OK, All over the world.

And so this house is actually it's.

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Smart people.

It is and it almost like.

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Brainiacs.

Yeah, like, you know, it's.

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Crazy, but they're high on science like.

Yeah, in.

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Iowa Well, it probably is in their best interest to associate themselves with other.

I think this where Bill Nye, the science guy came from was Peru.

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Is that true?

No.

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Is he Peruvian?

I don't know.

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I believe you.

So that Humboldt house is actually pretty famous.

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A lot of like well known scientists have spent time at that house.

Name one.

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Well, I don't know science that world so.

Semi well known.

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Well known in that.

World Bill Nye is a science guy, I told you.

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So this journey to Peru initially starts in 1947, so World War 21939 to 1945.

So this is 2 years after World War 2.

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Ended.

The raw world is coming out of the World War Two.

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Things are crazy.

Things are crazy.

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The communication as we know it today is non existent.

You know, you can't get information from A to B very quickly.

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So Hans was fresh out of doctorate school and he wanted to start his life's work.

He's itching to become this scientist and research all these things that he's planned on.

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Serious question, do you know what branch of science he was interested in?

Yes, they were basically biologists, so.

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Looking for like.

Well, very.

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Specific no no like.

No like.

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Material Science.

One was an ornithologist, which is birds and carbon based life forms are basically the type of

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stuff, flora, fauna, all that stuff they researched.

So we'll see the most boring chapter of science.

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Well, imaginable.

You probably wouldn't have partied too hard at the Humboldt.

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House No, I'm I would not fit in, no.

I'd go hey.

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You know what, guys?

I'm gonna go sleep on the streets.

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I appreciate it.

Thanks for the invite.

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You're dealing with biology is smoking, is smoking it.

That's right.

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Yeah, OK, I'm not gonna lie.

He would have been at the hippie house.

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For sure.

Yeah, Humboldt.

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Whole different county, man.

Yeah, a whole different area.

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Hey, would you like some H2O?

You just call water H2O?

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No, you know what?

I'm out of here.

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How do you spell that?

Later, so he starts sending letters out to a bunch of different locations because like we said, not

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every location was willing to take in a German At that time.

He finally hears back from the Museum of Natural History in Lima, Peru.

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It's a year after he had submitted his letters of interest and they get back with him and say, hey,

we've got a position available for you now.

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Again he starts going, OK, well how am I going to get there?

So like I said before, travel in post war Europe was difficult in of itself, but if you were German

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it was even that much more.

That you make sure you were Nazi.

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Exactly.

I gotcha I.

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Gotcha.

There were no passports for the Germans, so it was really fucking hard for them to get visas.

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So even if you were, you know, not a bad person, just happen to be one of the citizens that was with

a shitty fucking government, it didn't matter.

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You were treated poorly in post.

But obviously this dude's a very tenacious motherfucker and made it happen because they went to.

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Peru 100% and you're about to find out how tenacious it's unbelievable so.

Intriguing.

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Yeah.

So he starts doing his research and he's advised by the people that are in Peru, the best way to get

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there is for him to travel to Genoa, Italy, and embark from there.

And so apparently in Genoa, there were ship owners that would take German immigrants with them for

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free and, you know, get them out to South America or wherever they were headed.

Well.

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Yeah, because the Italians were part of the Axis of Evil.

If you will.

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Exactly.

They were the.

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Little Mussolini?

Yeah.

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Yep.

History lesson for you.

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Bam, Mike dropped.

Boom.

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So Hans says all right, done.

So he leaves for Genoa and only to find out that the only way to Italy for him was illegally, which

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changes things.

He literally had to sneak over an Austrian border fence to get into Italy.

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With his family.

No, he's by himself.

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Oh, he's doing it by himself solo to go set everything up correct and then he'll bringing everybody

OK.

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Exactly.

Wow.

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Well and he doesn't have a family at this point, right?

He it's just him and his and his fiance.

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Gotcha, Gotcha.

OK.

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And so he actually gets caught.

It took him two attempts to get over that fence.

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Loser.

I know Lance, you'd have got through easy the first time.

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Yeah, I would have tunneled underneath.

Oh.

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Bare hands.

That's what wrestlers do.

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That's right.

They're tunneling around.

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I'm a tunneler.

I remember that I missed that are.

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You a tunnel rat, big time.

So he finally gets over this fence.

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Right after this, he has to navigate the Alps.

I say Alps.

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I probably say that word Alps, the Alps.

Alps.

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That sounds like a mountain range.

Yeah, it is.

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OK.

OK, so he has to navigate the Alps and he does this via walking and hitchhiking.

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OK, he's a lot of fucking roads in the Alps.

Evident bro.

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Like I say, every piece of this that we just brush over is a whole other journey that we're not

going to dive in.

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Pretty easy dude.

So he literally goes basically by foot through the Alps, Alps, Alps and.

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And we have people DoorDash in and out burger.

Oh, 100.

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Percent yeah, and get angry when our fries are.

So cold this is.

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Truly, a time passed.

Yeah, it's him, dude.

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I mean, how do we get back to that?

So he eventually gets to Genoa only to find out that a ship headed to South America had just left,

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and they had no clue when the next one would be arriving.

And so again, you know, this isn't one of those times where you could make a phone call and go, hey,

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when's the next ship coming?

Or hop on the Internet and look at the schedule.

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You know, things just didn't work that way.

And so they truly are like, I don't know when it shows up, you know?

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Damn dude.

Did they know like days, weeks?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, they.

Did the ship go out like at least once a week or sometimes?

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Once a day.

Well.

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Right.

Sometimes it did and sometimes it didn't.

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And so they got I'm.

Just wondering if he had to like hang out and get a job because it didn't take.

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If you actually stop talking, he'll tell you, Oh yeah, it's coming, OK.

I'm.

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Sorry if if whatever I said offended you.

So I love you.

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He takes off to Rome.

And in Rome, yeah, in Rome he was able to get, which helped him somewhat already.

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Eating.

How's he get?

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Paying for things?

Where is he staying?

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He does have some money with him and he's got, you know, his clothes and stuff with him to travel,

so he's got some stuff with him.

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Such a different time.

So when he gets to Rome, he's actually able to get a Red Cross passport.

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And again, crazy times.

It was issued to him by the Vatican so.

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Yeah, he had to sell out.

So back then, you know.

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Literally.

It's, it's crazy times, right?

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So he thought, OK, good, I got this passport, things should get smoother now.

So what he do?

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Did he like sell them on who he was, what he was doing?

How do you get the red?

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Yeah, he he told him, you know, he's going there to.

Science.

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Do science things.

Exactly.

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Now where's his to be wife at the time?

She's just chilling.

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No, she's in back in Germany.

Yeah, waiting.

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For just chilling, yeah, OK.

Well, she's finishing her doctorate.

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Got it.

Yeah, he said.

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You can't chill with me unless you become a doctor like me.

Yeah, right.

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Yeah.

That's.

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Exactly.

Pretty much.

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Well.

She's I'm going to Peru.

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She's a bad ass bitch too.

I mean, getting a doctorate back then that's.

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Cool, 100% yeah.

Like you said, there's a whole story on her.

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Whole story on her.

Yes, intriguing.

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So in Genoa, he finds out, he gets the passport and they say, hey, you really need to go to Naples.

That's where you're going to have the best chance of finding a ship to take you to South America.

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So he goes, OK, so.

Fucking goes to Naples.

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Off to Naples, right?

Some pizza.

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So while on the way to Naples, he's arrested and sent to prison under the guise of we need to check

your papers, which I will say again, post war Germany, two years after they're looking for war

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criminals and those little sneaky bastards are hiding and pretending, you know to be other.

People, it's in Italy.

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Italy, right?

They're in Italy right now, correct?

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Right.

So man, I'm proud of you.

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I appreciate that.

Did you know that Italy and Japan were also part of the Nazi regime?

19:04

I didn't know that Japan was part.

Of the I know you didn't.

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That's why we dropped a bomb on them.

Because they're part of the Nazis.

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Hiroshima.

Bro yeah, I know Japan.

19:13

Japan was not part of the Nazis, bro.

It was a World War that wasn't mean an associated like political agenda.

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The imperialism and what Nazism was were completely separate.

But let's just use that for a different podcast next.

19:26

Go ahead.

OK, OK.

19:28

Agree to disagree.

Yeah, we'll agree to disagree.

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Oh my God, are you seriously fucking agree with him?

Well yeah, I fucking quit.

19:33

Turn my mic off.

What's?

19:35

The camera.

I'm done, but we'll move past that because that's a whole other podcast.

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All right, right.

Yes, so so he gets he gets taken to prison and.

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In Naples, yes, pizza for days.

While in prison.

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Again, just crazy.

They have a night of heavy rain, one of the prison walls comes down and get out of here.

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He fucking beats feet and escapes, no?

That's awesome.

19:59

This is all true shit.

Oh my God, this.

20:01

Is made it better than fucking.

Forrest Gump, yeah.

20:03

This is truly like an episode of of 1950s.

Yeah.

20:07

Is there a movie of this?

There is actually.

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OK, there it is.

Check it out.

20:12

Certainly apologize about.

It yeah, there is so.

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Obviously once he makes his escape, now he's like, well, I probably ought to travel primarily at

night so they don't.

20:20

He still has his Red Cross password.

He.

20:22

Still has his Red Cross password so So that's what he does.

He starts traveling basically at night and he stays in farmhouses all along the way.

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And luckily people were kind and let him in and bored and fed him during, you know, through that

track, so.

20:42

Is he making money this whole time?

Is he like like?

20:45

I would imagine he's not.

I don't even think he knows the language.

20:48

I I assume he only knows German?

Correct.

20:50

He knows German and I don't know it didn't say how much he actually knew Italian or not, but he was

getting pretty good at Spanish at the time too, which is close.

21:00

Yeah, close.

Yeah, Italian and Spanish are close.

21:03

They're similar.

Right.

21:05

So remember, he's right now traveling to Naples, to the dock or the.

Yeah, because he's trying.

21:11

To get the correct boat to South wherever he was going.

So they he gets there and no fucking ship, no fucking shit, no shit.

21:19

Oh, he missed it again.

He missed it again.

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Oh that's a bummer, you fucking loser.

Yeah, should have got arrested, so no.

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So I know, yeah.

So the people there go, hey man, you, you got to go to Sicily.

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Oh my God.

Dude, yeah, she's getting fucked with bro.

21:34

They go.

You got to go to Sicily, man.

21:36

That's where you're going to get the fucking.

Boat Man so this guy's got the will that's.

21:40

Where you got to take like a a sign from God, like you're not supposed to go to Peru.

Yeah, I mean, go, you know, you just go home and shut up, dude.

21:46

Stay in your lane.

Here's your sign.

21:48

Yeah, yeah, no fucking doubt.

And this, this is not even.

21:51

And what he wants to go to Peru to fucking study like leaves?

Well, birds too.

21:55

Birds.

Yeah, bugs everything.

21:58

There's no birds or bugs in Germany.

No, but he was in fucking Naples and now he's in Sicily.

22:04

They got but he wants to go to literally like Italian.

Bugged.

22:08

Rainforest.

And there's no one living in Peru at the time.

22:11

No, zero.

It's what does he remember?

22:14

Columbus didn't come to Peru yet.

Exactly.

22:16

Yeah.

Yeah, he discovered the world.

22:18

That's right, space, everything space.

So right, they tell him Sicily.

22:23

He's he decides, hey, fuck this, I'm going to go to Spain.

It's going to be easier.

22:27

Done.

Spain, Yeah.

22:28

Yeah.

So if you think about where he's at, if you think about the map, right, he's all the way down in

22:34

Genoa, Italy, which is down at the bottom of the boot.

The boot, yeah.

22:38

So to get to Spain, he's got to go all the fucking way back.

And he's just hitch and ride.

22:44

Trains, you name it.

Nope.

22:45

TomTom.

Google Maps.

22:47

No.

Google Maps.

22:49

No shit.

You're going this way.

22:50

You going this way?

Cool, Let's go this way.

22:52

Exactly man, we are a weak society today for sure.

Unbelievable.

22:56

Ways.

It doesn't even sound like it's possible by today's game.

23:00

Crazy and he's probably 1 of like thousands of guys doing similar shit.

Yes.

23:05

You want to study bugs and birds and the bees.

So get this, here's just, I thought this was just interesting again.

23:11

And at that time, so he actually for the first time was picked up by someone in a car versus, you

know, a train or a farmhouse.

23:23

And so the guy that pulls over listens to him and he can tell this guy's German.

And so he's kind of like, ah, you can tell he doesn't want to take him.

23:33

Well, they talk for a second and kind of go back and forth and the guy decides to take him.

Not only does he, he gives him this trip to wherever he's heading, but he gives him also 150 francs

23:45

just to help him along because he says, hey, if you got less than this, you're going to get arrested

because we're going to assume you're basically a bum.

23:53

Well no, it's not a bum man, but how guilty does this dude look as a German cruising around Spain,

Sicily and everything else two years after the war?

24:02

Right.

He's looking pretty fucking guilty bro.

24:04

Yeah, absolutely reeks of Nazi.

Yeah, 100% of a guy hiding from.

24:07

Something.

Yeah, exactly.

24:09

Well, I himself, no family, yes.

Yeah, Fuck.

24:12

Dude, so get to.

I'm innocent.

24:14

Innocent.

I swear I'll have some Franks.

24:18

I'm a scientist.

I'm a scientist, right guys?

24:20

That's what you people like.

So and the bees.

24:24

So the guy in the car was a Jew?

He was a Jewish guy.

24:29

Oh my God, really?

Just when you're about to get dropped on your head by humanity, something will come and save you.

24:37

And so you know, this Jewish guy who obviously the worst atrocity to his community in the history of

time happens, and he's still willing to give this guy a ride and money out of his pocket to help him

24:49

out.

So I thought, man, that's just again, a different time.

24:53

Who's that guy?

That's another podcast.

24:56

That's another.

Podcast.

24:57

A whole other podcast.

Rolling them out.

24:59

So, so right, He gets this lift and then his next obstacle he has to traverse is the Pyrenees.

What's that?

25:07

I don't know what that word is is.

That a sex position?

25:09

Yeah.

So that was a weird night at the farmhouse.

25:15

Yeah, we did the Pyrenees.

Mama did the Pyrenees.

25:17

Yeah.

Blew my back out.

25:18

Yeah.

Yeah.

25:21

So the Pyrenees are another mountain range another.

I bet you it.

25:24

Is that they say, make the Alps look like a fucking child's play, Yeah.

Damn, no.

25:28

Just for clarification, are you saying the Alps?

Alps.

25:31

The Alps?

No, he's been saying the Alps.

25:33

He's the Elps, the tippy Elks.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking, yeah.

25:36

Yeah, yeah, I know the Alps.

You know where all the chocolates from?

25:38

Yeah, in Switzerland.

The Andes.

25:40

Yeah, yeah.

For the love of God, man.

25:42

Andes or Andes with an E or A.

Yeah, the Indies.

25:45

All right, that's enough.

Back to the story.

25:47

That's buffoonery.

So at its finest.

25:49

So he has to traverse the Pyrenees.

He's on his final name.

25:52

You make it.

Sound like he's on rope.

25:55

Well, he's on foot, on train, on car on, so you know.

Yeah, he's traversing, Yeah.

26:02

The Alps and so no the Pyrenees.

No, the Pyrenees.

26:05

That was right down range beyond the Alps.

So between there and Spain, there's actually a whole bunch of other craziness that happens, but we

26:13

don't even have a.

Fucking lesson, yes.

26:16

So he makes it to a town called San Fernando, and from here he's actually able to catch a ship to

Uruguay.

26:25

Close enough.

Well, see that coming.

26:27

That's what he thinks.

This.

26:28

Is not obviously Peru, but he's like, fuck it, it's not here.

Yeah, it's somewhere else.

26:35

And so he jumps on this ship, we'll get this.

He wasn't welcomed on the ship.

26:41

He had to sneak his ass on as a stowaway.

This was a salt ship they literally transported.

26:47

It was Peppa.

Salt.

26:49

Yeah, basically.

And Peppa.

26:51

And so he sneaks on the ship, him and a couple other guys, and basically they fucking Burrow down

into the salt and hide.

26:59

In the salt.

It's not going to work out well.

27:01

Well, actually it's.

Going to be a little German jerky.

27:05

He said I'm good at the salting people, too.

Assaulting people I.

27:10

Got it.

I see what you did there.

27:12

You like that?

Yeah, I can assault you if you like.

27:15

So. 271 of salt.

So get this never.

27:18

Go on a Peppers.

So so Hans is actually doing pretty good in the salt.

27:22

They're they're dehydrated, you know, they're fucking thirsty and they're getting starting to get a

little bit sideways, but their.

27:28

Sodium intake.

He's living inside, you know, the little packets they put in things.

27:32

He's living inside of one of those.

Yeah, he's one of those.

27:34

Things.

Yeah, basically he is.

27:37

Damn.

And so the one of the guys he's with finally goes completely fucking Batty from all the salt and

27:43

can't.

Take the salt anymore.

27:45

Yeah, God damn man, what's a pepper?

So he fucking jumps up out of the fucking salt and gets him caught, damn it.

27:52

Yeah.

And they're, like I said, they're they're going to wear.

27:55

They're there illegally.

They're heading to Uruguay.

27:57

Uruguay.

Where's that?

27:58

Yeah, it's in South America.

Like what side?

28:02

Too bad for all those people in Uruguay who are getting those.

Why do they?

28:05

They don't have their own salt.

With a bunch of stinky German on it, yeah.

28:08

I know German salt so.

Sound like Himalayan salt, but yeah.

28:11

So they get out.

Nazi salt.

28:14

They they land right in Uruguay and as soon as they get there, these these guys are put in a prison

in Santa Cruz, which is the capital where they were at.

28:22

Fuck, dude, like back in the day, you think they might just throw them off the fucking ship?

Yeah, no, I mean, damn.

28:27

Dead morals, I guess, yeah.

So luckily though, he was released after 14 days and was actually able to now catch a ship to

28:35

Brazil.

So dude.

28:37

He's why?

Where's his all this money coming?

28:40

Did he snow away on that?

Yeah, like he's, he's finding people that'll basically take him for free.

28:45

How's he doing this dude?

Well, it's a different time, man.

28:47

Like.

Is it though?

28:48

Are people doing that stuff today Well?

It is 100% a different time.

28:53

It's not even.

Terrible.

28:54

Well, I mean, you wouldn't even move a Could you even Stow away on a ship today?

There's no way.

28:59

I don't think so.

There's no way, no.

29:02

Get this right, he gets to Brazil.

That puts him still 3000 miles away to Peru.

29:10

Bro that's nothing these.

Birds better be worth it, man, I know you know what I mean.

29:14

What kind of is he going to find?

Like an distinct bird?

29:16

Like what?

What do you study about birds?

29:18

He'd better find an extinct What if he just finds out that there's no birds over there?

There's definitely birds, but like or what?

29:24

What is he going to do with the birds?

Yeah, well, study them and write books.

29:28

Yeah, study the.

Shit out of them, dude.

29:30

Yeah, that's right.

Like nobody has ever studied.

29:33

That's right.

Or what do they just find out?

29:34

Like, like there's better scientists in Peru that know about more about the birds than he ever

could.

29:39

I mean, he's gonna and all of his like, like research just goes unnoticed.

All of that well.

29:44

So, so get this right, 3000 miles to Peru.

He did this just like before.

29:49

Walking, hitchhiking, jumping trains, whatever the fuck he could do.

How much time has gone by?

29:55

We're just rolling to that sentence.

He reaches Peru on May 15th, 1950, which is 1.5 years later. 1 1/2 years.

30:05

He had left on November 15th, 1948.

From Germany.

30:09

From Germany it took.

Meanwhile, his lady back home got her doctorate shacked up with another more successful.

30:15

Yeah.

Moved on, forgot all about him.

30:18

Right.

Yeah, exactly.

30:20

Side out of mind.

Yeah, shit.

30:22

He was probably, this is all probably totally made-up.

He was probably doing cocaine and blow at a strip club.

30:27

For I would.

Could have been around the you know what is he communicating with his chick?

30:33

His lady friend I think everyday.

Yeah, I I think as much as they can, but nothing, none of that's easy.

30:39

Writing a letter ain't easy.

Well, it's.

30:41

You know.

They they don't have any way to compare it to what we have today, so it's no big deal.

30:45

It's just normal to them, but it's still impressive.

It's very difficult to communicate.

30:51

And so he gets to where he's going, right?

He gets to Peru, like I said, May 15th, 1950.

30:57

He goes to the place that was going to hire him.

This is the Natural History Museum to take position.

31:03

We told you we're going to hire you a fucking year and a half ago, bro.

Basically been.

31:08

They say hey.

You run the snack bar.

31:10

Fuck.

It's not even open anymore.

31:12

There's there's no more birds.

Yeah, they go, hey dude, that job wouldn't have a job anymore.

31:17

No more.

Yeah, Janitor.

31:19

You run the concession stand, that's.

Right.

31:22

Yeah, a year.

Hey, we need somebody to salt the popcorn, yeah.

31:26

We heard that in your pockets.

In my pockets.

31:30

Yeah, I'm so salty.

Dude, a year and a half no.

31:32

Luck, man.

Wow, all you can do now is fucking salt popcorn.

31:36

That's it.

That's all.

31:37

You're reduced.

To.

31:38

That's what you're reduced to at.

Least you're out of Germany.

31:40

Wow.

Yeah, luckily.

31:41

Though in Italy.

And Japan.

31:44

Well, that's, yeah, the the big popular Japanese Nazi.

Don't get it started.

31:49

So luckily there is another job available at the museum.

And so they offer him that job and not long after that, you know, they sent for Maria.

32:00

Some time passes.

Maria actually makes it to Peru as well.

32:03

So.

So she just comes on over.

32:05

No, that's fucking typical for a fucking woman, dude.

She keeps a direct.

32:09

Flight.

Yeah, I'm fine.

32:10

Well, you complaining about well.

They invented these things called planes now.

32:13

Yeah, don't rub salt in the wound, Hun.

I.

32:15

Noticed you put me in general boarding.

Yeah, exactly.

32:18

You.

Yeah, God.

32:20

So, so true.

So I laugh, right?

32:23

All of that.

And what I took away from it was like I said, I'm such a piece of shit.

32:28

Yeah, Is that it?

That's the story.

32:30

No.

Oh, OK, that's some people die.

32:31

Yeah, basically, yeah.

Yeah, that's that's the things that happened before the fucking story.

32:36

Like that, that is a just.

Well, certainly builds his character.

32:40

Tenacity, yeah, and human spirit to survive and live and achieve like.

It does tell you to a lot about her, which is important because you'll see that the journey she

32:51

takes is very similar.

Well when they say like they don't make them like they used to, I think this is what they referring

32:56

to.

Absolutely.

32:57

The entire plan, right?

This was Hans in Maria's long term plan was to establish a research facility in the like, I mean,

33:07

smack in the middle of the Peruvian jungle where scientists from all around the world could research

life in that environment.

33:15

Believe it or not, they actually would complete this vision in 1968.

OK, good.

33:19

So yeah, So they made it there in 1950, right?

By 68, they've got this place. 18 years.

33:26

Later correct?

Yep.

33:29

Yeah, that math checks out.

When when her parents had started putting this plan together, Julianne was 14, her parents came to

33:37

her at 14 and told her, hey, we're moving to the Peruvian rainforest and the right smack in the

middle of it for five years, and you're coming.

33:46

Yeah, here's a pamphlet on how to not get eaten by Jaguars.

Exactly.

33:50

Yeah, she, she's literally, I mean, she's in Peru, but she's a normal high school student, you know,

or actually middle school getting ready for high school, right?

33:59

Yeah.

But she's, I mean, this is about to flip her world around, at least so she thinks.

34:04

And as you can imagine, she's not happy about it.

Yeah, she also has her doctorate at 15.

34:09

Yeah.

No shit.

34:10

So to get from where she was at in the city in Peru, right, it was a three day trek to get from

there to the research site that they established.

34:22

But back then it could have been like 20 miles.

Well, I don't know the mileage, but it was definitely, as you can imagine, crazy muddy obstacles.

34:31

Like real life.

Like Raiders of the Lost art kind.

34:33

Of stuff it totally.

Is yeah, that's cool.

34:35

Man, yeah, it absolutely.

You know what a way to live, ma'am?

34:38

We don't have any stuff like.

That I could not agree with you more.

34:41

That's what I kept thinking is what an amazing life these people have.

Lived everything undiscovered, ma'am?

34:45

Completely, completely wow.

And so you guys go ahead.

34:49

So she's.

I'll continue being spoiled.

34:52

I'll stay in the song.

Like you don't like this like I do, I think.

34:55

It's very admirable, but I don't think I would enjoy it.

Why like the thrill of like adventuring?

35:01

I mean, no, you're not.

Going to die.

35:03

They didn't die.

The story?

35:04

Never.

Ends like they didn't die but how many people died doing the same shit that they did just living

35:08

like their life.

How many people like walk around society?

35:11

They just literally walking like zombies dead.

Yeah, good point, Good point.

35:15

They're also on drugs.

So point.

35:17

Though they can't fucking handle reality because there's nothing left.

Back to the story, Jags.

35:22

Back to the story.

So she's going to spend the next five years of her life in in the middle of this Peruvian rainforest

35:28

and basically be homeschooled.

Fucking badass.

35:30

Dude, yeah, three day trip right to get to this place over all kinds of just craziness.

Like you said, you know, absolutely Raiders of the Lost Ark type of stuff here.

35:42

The second she sees this place, she falls in love.

She gets there.

35:48

How old is she at this time?

1414?

35:50

Amazing.

There's a picture.

35:52

Of her as she returned as an older woman, but that's where she was at.

Wow, that's cool.

35:57

And so, yeah, she gets there and absolutely like, Oh my God, this is home.

They named this place Panguana PANGUANA Panguana.

36:08

That's the Isn't that the same name?

Like for the space between your testicles and your anus on America The taint.

36:15

Oh, that's tank.

Sorry, Tankwana.

36:17

Tankwana.

That's right.

36:19

My bad.

So.

36:21

That was an impulsive comment that I didn't mean to say aloud.

So this place, Panguana is Panguana as you can imagine.

36:27

Sounds like it smells.

It's super primitive.

36:31

Everything that went in there had to be hiked in.

Anything that went out had to be hiked out.

36:36

The the housing there was basically wood huts when they first got there.

Initially they didn't even have walls.

36:43

They were basically the floor on stilt with, you know, basically a mosquito netting.

Wow.

36:51

And so.

Malaria was a thing, right?

36:53

It's literally what I think of as Gilligan's Island.

You.

36:58

Know, yeah.

Does that sound like a remote?

37:00

Boatload of fun to you.

Yes, it does.

37:02

Actually.

It does.

37:03

Actually.

You guys are out of your mind.

37:05

No, dude, it's the like, the like flavor of discovery and like being on the edge of something that's

never been discovered.

37:13

That's and that's.

Yeah.

37:15

Certainly you share something what drives people to do this, and that's admirable.

I'm not saying.

37:20

Well, I wouldn't necessarily want to be in the middle of jungle, but I like discovery and

innovation.

37:25

You know, it's cool and it's a lot of you used up these days.

And these people are absolutely, even then in a different world, they were different.

37:35

You know what I mean?

Like, I think like you, Lance, most people don't have any interest in this.

37:42

I don't mind roughing.

It the unknown.

37:43

But traveling three days because there's not like an N at the end of your trek, right?

Sometimes you got to rough it for overnight and you could easily get eaten by a Jaguar.

37:55

I'm not like that's not a joke.

We're getting bitten by a spider one. 100 percent, 100% So an action.

38:01

I don't mind roughing it.

I'm I'm an Eagle Scout.

38:03

I don't know if you know that I'm a pretty big deal.

Yeah, are you really an Eagle Scout?

38:07

Yeah, that's no joke.

I am an I am an Eagle Scout.

38:10

Because you're LDS, huh?

Well, yeah, allegedly I.

38:13

Was an Eagle Scout.

So Lance, actually, like you said, it is every bit of that.

38:18

The dangers are fucking real, and the snakes, the bugs, the you name it that can kill them is there

right, all of it, 100.

38:28

Percent make you sick.

Yes, yeah.

38:30

Which happens to them right there.

That's part of their life there.

38:35

She learned, Julianne learned pretty much from Jump Street how to navigate these dangers and not

just exist, but to live in harmony with that ecosystem.

38:45

And all of this comes into play, which makes the story even that much more unbelievable.

It's one of the most important things that she would ever be taught.

38:54

The things that she learned in that jungle during that time in her life, the things that 99.99999%

of the people on earth were not learning.

39:05

Alician, Eagle Scout.

Very true, very true.

39:07

So Julianne's loving life, she had inherited her parents love of science, nature and was completely

at home at Panguana in every much so as her parents were.

39:22

I think what she was finding out is she was probably far more like her parents than she knew or even

could have suspected because the things that made them be the people they were and do the things

39:35

that they did, she had those things in her without a doubt, kind of cool, right?

So she got to live this life of science and jungle living with her parents, which was, I think, just

39:48

an amazing, you know, everything was new to her.

Every day was something she was learning and she really enjoyed it.

39:54

But she also spent time as a Peruvian school student too.

And so she got to also go and watch movies and get milkshakes and do the same things that a lot of

40:05

other young girls her age were doing.

So by 1971, Julianne was 17 and had just graduated from Peruvian high school.

40:16

She wanted to attend German university and as such had to take the entrance exam.

They call it The arbiter is what they call whatever their that exam is.

40:28

Is that common down there?

Like a German school in Peru.

40:33

No, no.

So no, she did not go to a German school in Peru.

40:37

She went to Peru, Peruvian.

Right, but you said she wanted to do?

40:40

She wanted to do when she got back.

To Germany.

40:43

To go to college.

When the dust settles correct in Germany.

40:46

Correct.

But she had to take this interest exam to do it.

40:49

And so to take that exam, she had to fly back to Lima where which is where this is going to take

place.

40:56

She also at that time had her high school graduation party and the basically like the school dance

that follows the party.

41:04

This is a big deal to her, a huge deal.

You know, she's, I think it's fair to say she LED a completely different life than most kids and

41:15

some normalcy and what other kids were doing, she wanted, and so she really wanted to be there.

This was all happening in late December.

41:25

Matter of fact, they were supposed to fly back from Lima to a place called Pukaipa PUCALLPA.

Pukaipa Pukaipa is the closest place to Panguana that you can fly into.

41:40

Wow, does that make sense?

OK, so she so the flight from Lima to Pukaipa is only about an hour.

41:48

So it's like going to Vegas, right?

45 minutes up and you're on your way down.

41:51

So they were supposed to fly from Lima to Pukaipa on December 23rd 1971.

Where it gets juicy, huh?

41:59

Yeah, this is where it gets juicy.

Here we go.

42:01

So.

That's what we've been waiting for.

42:04

Maria wanted to fly out on the 23rd so that she could make it home and be back with Hans, their

whole family, by Christmas Day.

42:12

That was the original plan and they had tickets purchased, all that stuff.

Well, Julianne had asked her mom.

42:19

Hey, I'd really like to go to the dance, which is also on the 23rd.

So her mom was like, hey, you know what?

42:26

She graduated, did an amazing job.

She's a ridiculously good kid.

42:30

Yeah, 100%.

You can stay for your daddy.

42:32

Yolo, right?

Yep.

42:34

So her mom ends up basically saying hey, we'll reschedule the flight and reschedules it for December

24th.

42:43

Now this is where things get a little wonky.

The December 24th was booked everything's.

42:51

It's Christmas Eve.

Christmas Eve, right, so they couldn't get out with the planned airline, which was called faucet

43:00

Airlines.

And they're like a super safe airline.

43:04

They're, you know, well known and reliable.

Well, they're not able to do that, so.

43:12

They went with duct tape air.

And they went with an airline called Lanza Airlines.

43:18

This There's a reason you guys don't know that name, because it doesn't exist anymore.

It had a horrid safety record.

43:25

In fact, all of the people in Peru in that part of the country that use that airline called it Lanza

de Panza, which means basically what they say is Lanza lands on its belly is what that means.

43:38

You land on your belly.

Yeah, Lanza de Panza, right.

43:42

So that's what they called it.

And I mean, that's how well known it was to be a just a shit airline that crashes.

43:47

Cool.

And prior to this, they'd had like 3 or 4 crashes, and we'll talk a little bit more about that in

43:53

just a.

Second, three years not.

43:55

Bad.

No, no, I mean.

43:56

Three more than it should be.

It could be worse, right?

43:58

It could be 5.

Yeah, it's not even 1A quarter, dude.

44:02

No, no, it's probably still profitable I assume.

Big time.

44:05

Yeah.

Yeah.

44:06

They charge for peanuts though.

Like a legion and.

44:09

It's like Allegiant now.

Have you?

44:10

Flown on Allegiant.

And back.

44:11

Once and I regretted.

It.

44:12

Are you serious?

You did, Because I'm flying on Allegiant in a week.

44:15

Yeah, it's Lanza de Penza.

Dude, I.

44:18

Don't think we're not flying over Peru, yeah.

So they decide, Maria, when I say they decides we're going to take Lance Airlines.

44:25

Well, she calls and talks to Hans and Hans says, hey, don't, don't take that airline.

They're shit.

44:33

You know, they've got a horrible safety record.

Just look, if you can't get back by Christmas then then get back late.

44:39

But yeah, we'll get back the next day.

Exactly.

44:41

You have to be on the day.

Exactly.

44:44

Rather, you arrive alive.

Well, 100 and that's what Hans is thinking, you know, like, hey, let's let's be safe.

44:50

And basically, you know, they had done a lot of flying in their time and Maria felt just comfortable

with it.

44:59

You know, she the idea of crashing in a plane wasn't necessarily something she thought was a reality

or a possible reality.

45:05

So she ends up scheduling with Lance Airlines.

December 23rd went great for Julianne and her mom.

45:15

The dance went great.

It was everything she wanted it to be.

45:20

And all that was left now is to catch a flight home, right?

And you're talking about an hour flight up down and you're back at home with your family in this

45:28

beautiful jungle.

Well, Julianne talks about this in her book and she remembers the morning of the flight like super

45:37

vividly.

She remembers people that she saw that were in the airport.

45:44

She remembers little conversation she had in passing, like there were a couple of 18 year old boys

that are around her age and she had a quick passing conversation with them.

45:54

She remembers it like it were yesterday.

Everything's going how it should Not her or her mom were the least bit scared or worried that

46:03

anything was going to happen.

She actually would later find out that in that airport, at the same time, because I told you there

46:11

were no flights, there was a famous movie producer, a guy named Werner Werner Herzog, and he was

trying desperately to get a flight for him and his crew to Pukaipa so that he could finish shooting

46:25

some of the movie scenes that he had to finish shooting.

Well, he tried, tried, tried and could not get on that fucking plane.

46:31

She found this later because she made a movie with him.

There's also a few things that they didn't know at the time.

46:38

One of them is that the plane they're flying home on was the very last plane in Lance S fleet, so.

Oldest 1 you mean?

46:46

It was the only one they'd crash, the ones that they had prior.

They're down to their last fucking plane, and this plane that they're flying on has been

46:57

decommissioned already in the United States some time ago.

Basically what they've done is they've took this decommissioned plane, they've cobbled together a

47:07

bunch of fucking parts and said here, well, we can't use it in the States, so send it off to South

America.

47:14

They'll use it there.

Is this a prop plane?

47:18

It is no.

No, it's not.

47:20

It is.

It's a.

47:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

See a picture of it right now?

47:22

Yep.

It looks like a normal plane, but a prop plane.

47:24

You don't see a picture.

It's AI.

47:27

Don't know if this will mean anything to you Lance, but it's a Lockheed turbo prop.

Yeah, absolutely.

47:32

It it's what you think it.

Would be see it.

47:35

That's a big.

That's a big.

47:37

Prop plane, dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

47:39

Fuck, dude.

I didn't know this but I guess not all planes are made necessary the same or for the same to be

47:44

flown in the same areas or at least back then.

So why?

47:47

Don't they make the planes out of what they make the black boxes out of?

Yeah, no shit.

47:51

So the wings were attached on the fuselage basically in a way that was meant for desert type flying

that.

48:00

Would make sense to have in the rainforest.

Well, exactly.

48:03

And so they're flying this plane now in a completely different environment that it wasn't intended

to be flown in.

48:09

So here we are, right, They're getting on this plane and it's 11:00 in the morning.

Now they're looking out from the airport at the plane taxiing and they say, or I say they Julianne

48:23

says the plane looked beautiful.

She said it looked brand new.

48:25

It it didn't look like an old beat up plane anything.

And she didn't think anything of it.

48:31

You know, none of them did.

So they take their seats, they're sitting in the second to last row #19.

48:39

Oh, that's the best spot.

Is it?

48:40

Yeah.

Oh yeah, 'cause it like they fall and breaks off the tail.

48:44

That's always the best.

I always go straight to the back of the plane.

48:46

Is that the back what they say?

Yeah.

48:47

That's what they claim.

It's true.

48:49

That's where she was number 19 and she was the window seat, OK?

Her mom was next to her and she said there's a fat guy sitting next to her.

48:56

You got to you got to be by the fat guy 'cause they always take the the brunt of it.

Exactly.

49:00

Yeah, it's padding.

Yeah.

49:02

Yeah, 100%, absolutely.

So like I told you guys, the flight from Lima to Pukaipa is only about one hour.

49:10

And from what Julianne says, the 1st 30 minutes of the flight are totally normal.

They had just eaten breakfast.

49:17

About 10 minutes after that, the stewardess starts her cleanup routine and then all of a sudden they

hit a storm.

49:27

What she says is that this is, I mean, it's 11 in the morning, it's light day out.

They hit this storm and she says instantly black night time.

49:39

Like you can't see shit now.

Oh shit.

49:41

Dude.

Yeah, the crazy part about it is that she says the weird thing to me, even at 17, was I'd been on

49:51

enough planes to know that they normally fly away from storms, she said.

This guy flew straight fucking dead on into it like.

50:00

I ain't got time for this.

Honestly that's what I had read is that they thought that the pilot was trying to to not waste time

50:09

by going around it because this is the only fucking plane they had and they're already late on their

schedule.

50:13

So he goes fucking.

I'm going straight through the storm.

50:16

That's a good.

Idea.

50:17

Well, now they're really, really late.

Yeah, like they're not going to make it.

50:21

Yeah.

Well, they still haven't showed up.

50:23

Yeah.

Yeah, so he flies dead into this fucker.

50:26

Like I said, broad daylight.

Now it's fucking pitch dark and from and what Julianne says, the only thing that she can see is

50:33

every now and again there's like a bright white light from a lightning strike and she says there's a

bunch of lightning.

50:39

Plan's going to get wet.

And then she starts hitting turbulent, she says.

50:43

And she says, which is kind of crazy that, you know, my mom, I could see she said was starting to

get worried and going, man, I hope we're going to be OK.

50:53

And she said I was still so ignorant to what was happening that I was like, I'm good like, you know

of.

51:00

Course we're going to arrive.

Yeah, I've flown 100 times.

51:02

This is whatever, you know, She's not thinking anything of it.

And then she sees a what she describes as a blinding white light over the right wing, which is where

51:11

she was looking.

She says at this time I lose basically all sense of time.

51:17

And at that moment, I don't know if a minutes passed or a seconds passed.

Let me backtrack just a little bit.

51:24

So these things happen.

The turbulence kicks in, luggage starts flying off of the, you know, out of the cabinets, shits

51:32

flying all over.

People are screaming.

51:35

Chaos basically breaks out.

It's.

51:37

Like being on a fire with a shift.

Like being on fire with a shift.

51:41

Oh yeah, whatever.

So Julianne's mother looks over to her and calmly says.

51:49

You're fucked.

We're.

51:51

Gonna die close, she says.

Now it's all over.

51:54

No shit.

Yep, calm as could be, clear faced.

51:58

Wow.

And what Julianne says she now knows is that her mother basically had already accepted, accepted it,

52:05

grappled with this in her mind and come to the conclusion that.

That this is the end, this is it, they're done.

52:10

Yeah, wow.

We're not.

52:11

We're not making it out of this crazy.

And she said right then the nose of the plane slants almost completely vertical downward.

52:19

And she says all I can hear now is the roar of the turbine.

Yep.

52:27

Wow.

And she says it like engulfs her where that's all she can hear is this fucking turbine.

52:32

And she's basically looking vertically down to the cockpit.

Damn dude.

52:37

Yeah, so from 1 moment to the next, she says the screams that she was hearing disappear.

She said, complete silence and her mind's not processing what's going on, she just knows.

52:51

The screams went away, the turbine noise gone.

She looks next to her, her mom gone.

52:58

Is she out of the plane?

She's still strapped to her seat, but she's all alone.

53:03

She's at an altitude of 10,000 feet, alone and falling to the ground in the Peruvian junk floor.

Junk in the Peruvian rainforest.

53:11

Fucking kidding me, bro.

Yeah.

53:13

Wow, think about.

That's intense.

53:16

That's what I keep.

That's the word I would use.

53:18

Intense as I'm reading this.

Like I feel myself like.

53:21

Does she say she's scared?

Is she like solvent?

53:24

She's not scared.

She is nothing.

53:26

Honestly, at no point through this whole thing do I really get the vibe that she was scared.

Is she still in the fuselage or is she?

53:35

Well, you said she's strapped in.

Yeah, she's in a chair.

53:38

She's falling.

Just the.

53:39

Chair.

Just the chair falling at 10,000 feet.

53:41

The plane's gone.

She's by herself, dude.

53:44

The plane's obliterated, dude.

Yeah, what?

53:47

The fuck she's it consciously it kind of fucks you up to like what happened in like 911 and those

kinds of things like.

53:54

Oh, without a doubt met their.

Demise.

53:56

But you like, what did those people experience before they met their demise?

Yeah.

54:01

Is she alive?

She is.

54:02

Oh.

Fuck, are you kidding me?

54:04

No.

So we'll and and it gets even cooler.

54:06

But yeah, it I would say, Rob, that's the word that it, it's mind blowing to me to think about this

and that experience that she had and being able to now talk about it because most of the time these

54:17

happen and you never know what.

They, yeah, they die, right?

54:19

They die.

And she lived through this.

54:21

She fell 10,000 feet and lived. 10,000 feet and lived damn so because of her seat belt.

So you'd ask Lance about the where she was, that that guy, Werner Herzog, he actually said in a book

54:34

that he had wrote called Wings of Hope, he put.

The guy that was making the movie.

54:38

Yeah, he put.

That was she on a plane too?

54:41

No, he didn't get on.

Remember, he tried to, couldn't get on.

54:44

So he said Julianne did not leave the plane.

The plane left her and.

54:49

Where was the fat guy?

The.

54:51

Fat guy's gone.

He didn't.

54:53

He didn't do any cushioning for her at all.

She says that she can actually remember falling and the tightness of the seat belt.

55:01

She said, so much so that she couldn't breathe.

And then she says she believes that she lost consciousness for another moment.

55:10

In time and then 10,000 feet you.

Hyperventilating.

55:14

Hyperventilating, but you won't lose.

You don't.

55:16

You're not deprived of oxygen at 10,000 feet.

But she also can't breathe because her seatbelts, right, right, right, right.

55:21

Her diaphragm is probably crunched in.

It's not.

55:23

Yeah, OK.

So here's here's a pair or a short paragraph of what she says about the next moments after that, the

55:32

next thing I remember is hanging upside down while the jungle comes towards me with slowly spinning

movements.

55:39

No, it's.

Slowly spinning move.

55:41

Slowly spinning movement.

She's visualizing this.

55:43

Yes.

And then she says no, it's not coming towards me, I'm falling towards it.

55:48

The treetops, green as grass, densely packed, remind me of heads of broccoli.

The images are blurred.

55:56

I see everything as if through a fog.

Then deep night surrounds me again.

56:01

That's her memory of falling from that plane, which like it's I just, it's almost not believable.

It's so crazy.

56:11

Yeah, so here I just whipped up on AI.

How long would it take a human to fall 10,000 feet strapped to a plane chair and it's not terminal

56:20

velocity 120 mph after about 12 seconds covering for, you know, the free fall typically would last

around they had about 30 to 45 seconds.

56:32

Wow, it's coming out.

I'm sure everything.

56:34

Slows down though.

So yeah, about 25 seconds of.

56:37

I mean, that's long.

I actually I mean 25 seconds is.

56:41

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it's not long long, but it's long enough to be consciously aware that you're fucking.

56:47

Falling, I'll tell you this, when you're doing your physical at the end of the year and you got to

stay on that thing for 25 more seconds.

56:53

Oh yeah.

It might as well bail 20 minutes.

56:55

It might as well be a year.

Yeah.

56:57

Damn.

You know, Wow.

56:58

All right, so where we were is Julianne.

She's falling, right?

57:03

Yeah.

And she says I see everything as if through a fog.

57:06

Then deep night.

Surrounds me.

57:08

Deep night surrounds her.

Correct.

57:10

She says she wakes up from a dream and realizes that she's under her seat, her aircraft seat.

On the ground.

57:19

On the ground.

From 10,000 feet, Yes, her people survived that.

57:23

That I don't know.

Her seat belt is unfastened so she kind of does some quick gazentas and goes OK, well I must have

57:31

been awake at some point, she says.

I lay there for the rest of the day and the whole night until the next morning.

57:38

She said I'm soaked and completely covered with mud and dirt so she's just falling 10,000 feet.

She's been in and out of consciousness, sleeps for a whole fucking day basically.

57:49

I'm assuming her brain healing itself, she is injured and we'll talk about that.

So when she regains her senses, she says I don't feel scared.

57:59

I just have this, can't remember how she phrased it, but a sense of abandonment.

She felt abandoned, which you go, man, that's crazy, but not scared, you know?

58:12

She says that at that moment she realizes exactly what had happened to her.

And she also knows my mom's not with me.

58:20

Oh, man.

She says that she tries to stand up, but can't.

58:27

She basically, or she says she'll get to her knees to start to stand up and then things will start

going black and so she'll have to go back.

58:34

Down.

Oh man, she got brain injury.

58:36

Yeah, at a minimum, blood pressure issues, right?

Yeah.

58:40

Or blood loss.

Yeah, one of the three, so.

58:42

Excuse me, there's been as of 2008 there's been 42 individuals that have survived falls from over

10,000 feet and lived.

58:51

Wow.

Yeah, crazy.

58:52

Unbelievable.

Flight attendants her Julianne.

58:57

British student the war crazy.

Yeah.

59:00

All right, so she tries to stand up, Can't stand up.

She has to keep continually trying.

59:05

So she'll basically go from laying flat to getting to her knees and then allowing herself to get

comfortable on her knees and then trying to see right she had.

59:16

To how old is she now?

Step 14.

59:17

She's 17. 17 OK.

Right.

59:20

So eventually she's able to stand.

What she doesn't know at this point is that at that moment, the largest search operation in the

59:30

history of the Peruvian air travel is now underway.

So this is the part where I think it was you, Rob, that asked what injuries she had.

59:41

And this is where she take kind of takes inventory of her wounds.

She's got a broken collarbone.

59:48

And she says she can feel and you can see, you know, one side of it resting on top of the other side

where it used to be connected.

59:56

She's got a really deep gash on her left calf and another one on the back of one of her arms.

Life threatening yet?

1:00:04

Oddly enough, she says, but I don't have any pain and as deep as my wounds are and as nasty as they

are, they're not bleeding very much.

1:00:14

So she starts crawling around the ground and she says I'm looking for my mom and I'm calling her

name until I finally realize there's no one there.

1:00:24

Yeah, she's literally the only person in that area.

Yes.

1:00:28

What do they think happened to the plane?

Did it just blow up?

1:00:31

I'm sure Lightning had something to do with it.

Just what?

1:00:33

Lightning strike?

Well, no.

1:00:35

That's what I mean when it got hit by obviously got hit by lightning because that bright flash, but

then it just just incinerated.

1:00:40

Basically, I didn't turbocharge it.

I think.

1:00:43

Turbocharged.

I think because it was a fucking cobbled together fucking airplane, it got hit by lightning and just

1:00:49

disintegrated.

Yeah, OK.

1:00:50

Yeah.

Not to mention the wings were not meant for that kind of air travel.

1:00:55

So all kinds of problems that I think led to it.

I'm ready to go pilot Joe.

1:01:00

Right, should have went around.

Spare the 15 minutes.

1:01:03

God damn dude.

No shit.

1:01:05

So when Julianne finally looks up, she realizes she's in the jungle.

Oddly enough, she doesn't feel scared.

1:01:13

She's not paralyzed with fear like you would think a 17 year old child would be.

Endorphins.

1:01:20

She actually no, I I think if there was ever to be a 17 year old blocked in that jungle it would be

her to like calmly understand the situation.

1:01:29

And that's that's.

Probably where her home is.

1:01:31

That's exactly what happened, yeah.

She looked around and felt completely comfortable with the environment she was in.

1:01:37

Very familiar with the landscape.

That was that's her home.

1:01:40

Yeah.

You know, that's where she lived is in that jungle.

1:01:43

So yeah, completely comfortable.

Which I.

1:01:45

Would die 17.

Looking back, I'd just give up a. 100% I'd have laid there crying until I died.

1:01:50

Why am I living right now 100%?

The fact there's a lot of things I think that contributed to her living.

1:01:56

One, obviously she knew the jungle.

She's probably her and her mom are the only two people on that plane that could have survived for

1:02:03

sure beyond surviving the fall because of the way they knew the jungle.

And I'll take it a step further that they're such pragmatic thinkers that they were able to not let

1:02:15

they're not emotional people by by nature, nature, right?

And so they're able to take things and look at it pragmatically.

1:02:22

OK, well, I'm here.

How do I get to there?

1:02:25

And so.

I can eat this leaf.

1:02:27

I'm not hungry.

Anymore.

1:02:28

Exactly.

Yep, exactly, I've seen it.

1:02:30

Have you?

Yeah.

1:02:32

I've seen it once.

I've seen it 100 times.

1:02:34

You have.

Yep, salad.

1:02:36

Did you use the leaves?

I use the leaf.

1:02:39

To wipe your tears.

So she again, she's inventorying herself.

1:02:44

She's got a dress on that obviously she had worn on the flight.

She's got one shoe, which she actually again, how smart she is, She decides, hey, you know, you

1:02:54

would think you'd take the shoe off and flick it.

She kept the shoe on and she used that shoe as a feeler.

1:03:00

So like she would poke first with that foot with a shoe on it basically, or step first with it to

make sure it was, you know, a safer versus stepping with her barefoot.

1:03:12

So she was smart enough to think some of these things through.

I mean, she's 17.

1:03:17

You know, you it's just I every step of the way, I just, it blows my mind.

She says she still doesn't feel any pain.

1:03:26

She's thirsty as hell.

And she does exactly what you said.

1:03:29

She's she finds leaves that have dew on them and stuff and starts using the leaves to get some fluid

in her.

1:03:35

She can't find a lick of a sign that a plane crashed anywhere.

Yeah, because it's fucking 50 fucking miles away from her.

1:03:46

The only thing kilometers that she came across.

Was such a Dick she.

1:03:55

Found a bag of sweets.

I don't.

1:03:58

I don't know if that just means a bag of candy.

They don't really say and I'm not sure.

1:04:02

It was the 50s I'm pretty sure it said bag O sweets.

Bag O sweets, that's correct.

1:04:06

And butterscotch.

She.

1:04:10

Caramels.

She also found basically an inedible Christmas loaf, I forget what they called it, but basically it

1:04:17

had muddle in it and shit, which is funny because a lot of the stories that had come out, the media

fucked all the stories up.

1:04:24

And one of the things they said is that she had found this loaf that she carried with her and it

kept her, you know, all that bullshit.

1:04:33

None of it was true whatsoever.

They also had said that she was able to form a raft out of all these different parts in the jungle

1:04:41

and, you know, without any tools and make her way down the river.

Well, she probably could.

1:04:46

Somebody's going to do it.

It would be.

1:04:48

Her so the media was just as full of shit back then as it is.

Now it was exactly.

1:04:52

Maybe things don't change.

Some things don't change.

1:04:55

Julianne actually decides to stay at the crash site and pretty much is there all morning and into

the afternoon, basically gathering strength, clearing her head.

1:05:05

She keeps looking around to kind of investigating her surroundings.

She says that at around this time she starts hearing the hum of engines and she knows these are

1:05:15

search planes, but where she's at in the jungle is completely covered by the jungle canopy.

Canopy.

1:05:22

Is that like, is that considered the rainforest?

I'm unfamiliar with that.

1:05:25

She is Peruvian rainforest, yeah, but she says at a minimum, the sound of the engines gives her

hope.

1:05:33

She's like, okay, I know they're close, and I know they're looking well.

She has.

1:05:38

No way done.

We're going to survive, Lance.

1:05:41

She did think about the fire, but it's you're in a totally moist rainforest and she's got no tools.

Whatsoever to start it, I got to start a fire.

1:05:50

But she did think about that.

OK, so she knows what she does know at this time is this.

1:05:54

Hey, I got to get, I got to get out of the thick jungle and I got to get to a clearing, so I at

least have some fucking chance of being spotted, right?

1:06:02

And so she starts walking, and pretty quickly, when she sets off on her journey, she hears the sound

of water in the distance.

1:06:10

And her father had always taught her that if she ever got lost in the jungle, find water, follow it,

and it will surely lead you, lead you to people eventually.

1:06:19

OK.

And so, yeah.

1:06:21

So she hears the water and gets super excited.

She's like, OK, I, I know where I'm going now.

1:06:25

Plus, she was thirsty.

Plus she was thirsty.

1:06:28

Absolutely.

I wanna have time to drill.

1:06:31

Full of whatnot.

So I guess.

1:06:33

It's dangerous.

I watched it alone.

1:06:34

So get this, just as shitty then as they are now.

So believe it or not, some of the press actually printed stories that accused her of selfishly

1:06:44

leaving and not looking for survivors.

Wow.

1:06:48

Yeah, and these are actually fucking stories that were printed.

Wow back in the day.

1:06:52

Fucking scumbags.

Man, anything to get?

1:06:54

Views Yep Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.

So she.

1:06:59

Follows what she calls a.

Rivulette, which I'm assuming is just the small piece of a river before it turns into that that

1:07:05

wider piece where you can actually call it a river.

But she says it's real shitty terrain.

1:07:10

She's having to like navigate logs and hills and heavy brush and it's difficult.

So she travels basically until dark and finds a place, she says, that can protect my back so I can

1:07:26

sleep and not have to worry about what's going on behind me.

And she says I want to start a fire but I can't, it's too moist and I just don't have any of the

1:07:34

things I would need to start it.

So she hunkers down for the night, and although she's attacked by bugs and mosquitoes and everything

1:07:43

else, she says she sleeps unbelievably deeply and I'm assuming her brain needs recovery desperately.

She's got to be She's wiped.

1:07:54

Wiped and by the way, I've seen Naked and Afraid, I'd rather be.

Attacked by a lion and the bugs?

1:08:00

Million mosquitoes.

Oh my God, the only which?

1:08:02

We this is.

Prompting or promoting an episode that we have, It's gonna be the Anders Stainer Alaska.

1:08:09

The true story.

Yeah, it's coming when I was in.

1:08:12

Alaska with Stainer.

Dude, the bugs like you, they were in your ears, in your eyes, in your nose, in your mouth.

1:08:19

It was in fucking insane, dude.

And you had to wear these like Nets over your head to prevent it.

1:08:24

I could not.

I'm fucking out, dude.

1:08:26

And she this is what, at 17?

Years old, she's used to this shit.

1:08:31

Yeah, very true, very true.

So around this same time to kind of give.

1:08:36

Perspective.

Her father in another world is finding out that his wife and daughter were indeed on this plane,

1:08:44

that he had told them not to get on, and he moved on.

Yeah.

1:08:48

He was already remarried.

You Gotcha.

1:08:50

So.

So he's figuring these things out, the civilians in the area, because a lot of those people on that

1:08:57

flight were locals coming back to Pucaipa.

So a lot of the civilians in the area are getting really frustrated with the search effort.

1:09:05

And so they put together basically a civil patrol, which is citizens, citizens on patrol, citizen

arrest.

1:09:13

So back to her story.

She wakes up on December 26th and says that the way she describes it, she says I just feel

1:09:21

apathetic.

She says I don't feel any pain, but I know I need to get the fuck out of dodge.

1:09:26

You know, she's, she's just a scientist, dude.

And she's thinking about things like a fucking scientist.

1:09:33

Yeah, like an engineer type.

Yeah.

1:09:35

Which is the analytics.

Very much so, which you know.

1:09:39

Emotion.

Yeah.

1:09:40

No, Nope.

And actually, it's real funny.

1:09:41

You say that.

Rob because I think she's so much like her parents.

1:09:46

There is a piece of her that if you don't know her, how she was brought up, you can view her

probably as emotionless.

1:09:53

And some of the she ended up doing some interviews that her dad had her do, and some of the writers

actually wrote that.

1:10:03

One of them, you know, they were real shit, he said.

Basically, she's a socialist.

1:10:07

Yeah, she could care less, you know.

Basically that her mom.

1:10:10

Died and all kinds of wacky shit, but I don't 100% disagree.

With that, but it's also a survival thing.

1:10:17

Also, as a scientist, I'm I doubt that.

She believes that she believes in heaven or any religious beliefs actually, they're they're

1:10:25

Catholic.

OK, stand.

1:10:26

Corrected.

Yeah, it's but in the science field.

1:10:28

Right, but I don't go back.

Her dad got the little Red Cross.

1:10:32

Yeah, that was Sesame Pope.

Yeah.

1:10:35

I don't think.

That she's by any stretch.

1:10:39

Heartless or emotionless, I just think that you're realist.

She's her mind is programmed to look at things in analytical fashion in an analytical fashion.

1:10:48

Right.

It's just emotion doesn't serve zeros and ones.

1:10:51

It's how she's.

Wired you.

1:10:53

Know zeros and ones.

Is a lie, so yeah.

1:10:56

Quantum so the very. 1st.

Piece of wreckage.

1:10:59

That she found was on the third day qubits and it was one of the turbines and she found it in a

stream bed and she says that on one side of the turbine it was completely black.

1:11:09

And she said her assumption was that that was the turbine that got struck by lightning on the 4th

day.

1:11:15

She finds this is kind of gruesome.

She finds 1/3 bench seat just like the one that she was on.

1:11:21

She says it's upside down and it's hammered about 3 feet into the rainforest.

She said there's two men and a woman.

1:11:30

She can tell by their feet that they're men and two men and and a woman.

They're still in their seats and basically, you know, the top third of their bodies hammered into

1:11:39

the ground.

So they just their legs are sticking up.

1:11:42

Wow, yes, it is.

They're probably alive the whole time.

1:11:44

Too, and then just until they hit the ground, broke their necks.

Even she just hit.

1:11:47

Trees and shit on the way.

Down even though they were wearing the seat belt, didn't help seat belt.

1:11:52

Didn't help apparently, and they must.

Have had a fat guy next to him.

1:11:54

Dang it I know her.

So crazy.

1:11:57

And she?

Talks a little bit about finding a dead body, too.

1:12:00

And she said the only time prior to that that she had seen a dead body, she was a young girl and

basically a kid in the town she was that had passed and they went to a viewing.

1:12:08

Yeah.

But she's like, other than that, it's the first time I'd seen.

1:12:11

Have you guys ever been on a plane crash?

I'd never have no.

1:12:14

I mean, you assumed you always have that in the back of your sky harbors right?

There you go on.

1:12:18

Because knock on wood, sky harbors done pretty well.

Yeah, the last, I don't think we've had a major crash knock on wood, right, No.

1:12:24

So I went to like a gear down kind of thing, but never, never a plane crash.

I've actually been to a few plane crashes when I was in the air.

1:12:32

Force you have sixteens, but the pilots ejected and we're.

Fine.

1:12:37

JoJo, Chief.

Oh yeah, He was on that.

1:12:40

He was on that.

Yeah, the stack of 18 or something Marines, he said.

1:12:44

He's pretty graphic.

He's the man he like.

1:12:46

Indeed.

Good dude.

1:12:47

So she says.

Kind of around this point, the days.

1:12:50

Start mixing together, but on a good note, her path on the water kind of keeps bearing fruit and the

water's getting larger, so she knows she's headed towards basically in the right direction.

1:13:02

She at at this time eats the last of her candy and she's been drinking water from the river, which

well, no she.

1:13:12

Doesn't drinking from the flowing part?

Even that's.

1:13:15

What if you're an Eagle Scout?

You'd know that.

1:13:18

But even with that pigeon scout even.

With that, she.

1:13:22

Did.

Eventually get sick and got hepatitis but not till a little bit later.

1:13:27

It's a little poopy in the water.

Yep.

1:13:30

So.

She actually ends up making it to the mouth of this river and realizes when she gets there, it's

1:13:37

going to be a fucking bitch to navigate this.

She decides my best course of action at this point is to actually get in the water and let it carry

1:13:48

me down the river, which you go, OK, dangerous.

She, well, she's starting to get weak and there's she's having to climb and fucking crawl and do

1:13:58

everything.

Options are limited.

1:14:00

Very limited.

And so she.

1:14:02

Says, well, I'm going to get in and let and let the water take me so it doesn't eat up so much

energy and plus I can't get over these fucking obstacles anymore.

1:14:10

And so that's what she does.

She said that wasn't quite as easy as it sounded either, though.

1:14:16

There were a lot of, like, logs and shit in there that would, you know, hit her.

And she said that was a bit of a pain in the ass as well.

1:14:24

Plus, drowning sucks.

Drowning's not always a good.

1:14:26

Thing for sure it's not as bad as falling from. 10,000 feet.

Yeah, you fall.

1:14:29

From 10,000 feet to drown on the way.

Out.

1:14:31

Yeah, man, I know.

I figured I'd.

1:14:34

Figured you're you're protected from this point.

Forward you can do whatever the fuck you want. 100% you're good.

1:14:39

You're you're there for a purpose.

Yeah, without a doubt.

1:14:41

Rewind you think about.

What her father?

1:14:44

Went through to even meet up with her mother to see her.

I mean all this.

1:14:49

That's why I wanted a rarity of all.

Of it, it's just the.

1:14:53

Wow, what a rare family.

Just.

1:14:56

Just this will to survive.

Unbelievable all to go study these fucking birds.

1:15:01

Dude, Yep.

Yep, it's funny what the things that drive people.

1:15:03

Motivate them, you know?

Yeah, man, so she says.

1:15:07

That.

The nights come and they lead to a ton of misery.

1:15:11

It's super fucking cold at night.

But it also gives her, she says a lot of time basically for reflection, you know, And she at 17,

1:15:20

dude, that is such.

A a crazy idea.

1:15:22

Go ahead.

So so she it's.

1:15:25

Misery.

She looks at it as reflection.

1:15:27

Yeah, so.

She actually starts coming.

1:15:29

I guess it's a perspective, isn't that?

That's incredibly.

1:15:32

Impressive.

She starts coming.

1:15:33

To the decision in her mind.

At this.

1:15:35

Point that her life should have been taken.

It wasn't.

1:15:40

And that she owes now the world something, you know, for surviving this.

This is this is what, a 7 year old girl?

1:15:49

Mind is thinking I owe the world something for surviving this right?

What a fucking inspiration that is.

1:15:56

Actually, I get why other podcasts have done this.

Yeah.

1:15:59

Absolutely.

Yeah.

1:16:00

Wow.

Unbelievable.

1:16:02

She also at.

This time realizes that her wounds are infected and she's got maggots coming out of her wounds.

1:16:08

Not bad, not bad.

Turns out she was delusional because.

1:16:11

She was septic, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

1:16:14

Get this though.

So she sees the maggots.

1:16:16

Well, she's got a little piece of metal with her that she kind of bends into some tweezers and she

thinks, OK, well, I'll turn them into tweezers and I'll pick these fucking maggots out.

1:16:26

Yeah, they're eating all the bags.

Yeah, they're eating them out.

1:16:27

They're in the well.

She had a dog.

1:16:30

And she tells the story.

She had a dog that had got maggots.

1:16:32

And what maggots do is they keep burrowing down into good tissue.

And so if you leave them, they will destroy what's there.

1:16:41

And so she knew.

She knows, hey, I got to get them out at some point.

1:16:48

This is gross.

She says that she goes to try and grab them.

1:16:50

Out.

And every time she gets close, they know she's coming until they Burrow right back in.

1:16:55

Yeah.

I'm like, oh.

1:16:57

Jesus.

I know 17 doing this.

1:17:00

Wow.

So she says the following days were.

1:17:02

Miserable.

And she kept getting weaker, as we know, and hungrier.

1:17:08

But on the 10th day, she found a riverbank that she's like, OK, I'm fucking exhausted.

She's literally doesn't have much left in her.

1:17:19

And she decides I'm going to rest on this riverbank.

So she lays down and she says not.

1:17:24

She kind of dozes in and out.

Not long after she looks over to her side and goes, that's a fucking boat.

1:17:31

And she thinks I'm seeing things, I'm fucking going crazy.

So she says she wouldn't allow herself to believe it was a boat until she actually could touch it.

1:17:40

So she went over there and put her hand on it and realize, Oh my God, it is a fucking boat.

I'm not hallucinating.

1:17:47

She also from the boat can look down the trail and and see that people had been there.

She sees, like, footprints and stuff, and she sees that they had made, like a makeshift shelter, She

1:17:59

says.

It was like 50 yards away.

1:18:01

She said she was so exhausted at that point it took her probably a couple hours to make it 50 yards.

Yeah, so she she.

1:18:08

Gets into that makeshift.

Shelter and there's the outboard engine is in there for the boat that was out there and there's a

1:18:14

can of gasoline it's basically sounds like kind of like a lean tube yeah she's like I'm home now

she's.

1:18:20

Pumped and so.

Here's no people are there though, right?

1:18:25

So here's what she does.

She she says, OK, there's gas.

1:18:28

And when her dog got sick with the maggots, they had to put kerosene in the wounds to to basically

flush the maggots out.

1:18:38

And so she goes.

Well, it's not kerosene, but this should work.

1:18:41

I'm going to throw.

Yeah, so she gets the fucking gasoline.

1:18:43

Open and pours.

It in her wounds.

1:18:46

Oh my God.

Yeah.

1:18:47

Crazy.

Yeah, dude.

1:18:48

She says initially it.

Hurt like a motherfucker, which I would imagine.

1:18:53

And she said initially to the maggots.

She pours the gasoline out.

1:18:56

No, they start trying to Burrow in more and they realize I can't Burrow fast enough.

So then they start jumping their asses out, right?

1:19:05

What a wicked feeling to see you could.

Feel them burrowing yeah in your skin going oh I I just made it worse and then they disgusting yeah,

1:19:15

maggots.

God, dude.

1:19:16

Mentally.

Mentally, yeah.

1:19:18

She was able to pick out 30 maggots.

Which she came to find out later that wasn't near all of them, but she got a bunch of them.

1:19:25

Wow so she's there it starts getting dark still no people at this point she's fucking exhausted.

She passes out.

1:19:35

She wakes up sometime in the morning, still no people.

So she's starting to get scared like man, maybe this is some shit that they left here they're not

1:19:43

coming back for a year.

Who the fuck knows, you know, And I, she knows in her mind, I, I don't have much left in me.

1:19:50

So if I stay and they're not here, I die or I go and I see where else this day because now they

don't have a place to.

1:19:58

Well, no.

So she actually she.

1:20:00

Considered.

Taking the boat, but she decided I won't take a boat because if those people are here, I won't save

1:20:06

myself.

So the 10 days, she still has a mentality.

1:20:10

Yep.

Those people would be like, bye, I'm out.

1:20:13

Oh, you just seen?

Fucking.

1:20:15

Admiral Rob's.

Sailing down the fucking Shabonia with them, dude.

1:20:18

I'm not like that bro, no.

That's not a good.

1:20:20

Well, I would have been.

That's not a good representation anyway.

1:20:23

I ain't like that dude.

No, man, so well, you'd have been by.

1:20:27

Yourself.

Because I'd have been sailing with Lance, Yeah, I'd be like, hey, I'm fucking out, guys.

1:20:32

Eating the maggots.

So yeah, she doesn't take the.

1:20:34

Boat, so she's getting.

Weaker.

1:20:36

She knows I don't got a whole lot of time left.

She considers leaving, but she's so weak that she's like, you know what, fuck it, I got to lay down

1:20:44

and rest and I'll see where it goes from here.

And so she lays down.

1:20:50

Fast forward to about twilight that same day, she starts hearing voices.

And again she's thinking it's I'm hallucinating, there's no fucking way.

1:21:00

And sure as shit, the voices get closer and three Peruvian men come out of the forest.

And she tells them in Spanish, I'm a girl who was in the Lancer crash, My name is Julianne.

1:21:15

And she says these people stare at her like they saw a fucking ghost.

They're don't even know what to say.

1:21:21

They're literally fucking speechless.

Speechless.

1:21:24

Wow.

So they save her their ass, They fucking get her on the boat and take her in.

1:21:28

So these guys, it was a guy named.

Beltran Paradis, Carlos Vasquez and Nestor Amiswen.

1:21:36

They take care of her.

They feed her.

1:21:38

It's already getting night time, so they go, hey, we're going to have to leave in the morning.

It's not safe to leave right now.

1:21:43

So they stay.

They, you know, give her their only mosquito.

1:21:48

Yeah, they give it to her after 10 days.

The.

1:21:52

The search is still strong going on.

No, the search had actually been is pretty much.

1:21:57

Dead at that.

Wow.

1:21:58

Yeah, she doesn't know that now.

They actually tell her she finds out from them that one, she is the only survivor for sure.

1:22:07

Had 91 people.

Yeah, and two.

1:22:10

The search team that she's.

Trying to find hasn't found.

1:22:13

Not even a fucking piece of that aircraft.

Did they inform her how selfish she was for not trying?

1:22:18

To save other members.

Oh, they scolded her for sure.

1:22:20

Oh, good.

OK.

1:22:22

And they were like you're.

Gross.

1:22:23

Look at your maggots.

Yeah.

1:22:25

Yeah, you probably didn't even tell anybody.

And when have you showered last Can't Beaver?

1:22:30

Exactly so.

This was actually.

1:22:32

Too, if you think about this, this was interesting time because, like I said, the search was dying

down.

1:22:37

Now people are coming to grips with the fact that their loved ones are gone.

There's no hope anymore.

1:22:44

You know it's intense and then they get when.

That we found.

1:22:48

Someone We found a girl that lived.

And so now these people had renewed hope.

1:22:52

And her dad's alive.

Her dad's alive.

1:22:54

Her mom's.

Gone.

1:22:55

Mom's gone.

And so now they're getting.

1:22:58

I hope again like, oh shit, you know, there are people alive which she hates that that happened.

You know, obviously she feels horrible that she made people feel that way her.

1:23:07

Father, you know.

So news, finally.

1:23:09

Breaks right and as you.

Can imagine it's a fucking madhouse and this little town had never seen anything like what was about

1:23:16

to hit it.

So the media, they swarm this this town, it's called Torna Vista.

1:23:21

And in this same place, Julianne is cared for, her wounds are treated, and her father shows up, and

she gets to spend some time with her father.

1:23:31

What a reunion, man.

Yeah.

1:23:32

And actually.

To be honest with you.

1:23:35

I feel for her.

This is a whole other story that we could get into, which is the emotional trauma that they suffered

1:23:42

and how it impacted their relationship moving forward.

Because the dad was like her.

1:23:48

He was kind of a like, straight stoic dude.

Yeah, stoic scientist.

1:23:53

He Well, look what he.

Went through it took me a year and a half to go like. 100% and AS.

1:23:58

Analytical as her dad was, she knows and she talks about this that although he never spoke it, there

was a part of him that went down the algorithm and said come home on December 23rd answer no stay

1:24:13

for a dance don't you know and he goes down the list going yeses and Nos like yeah like if if she.

Would have not went to that.

1:24:20

Dance.

I'd still be with my wife.

1:24:22

My wife would be alive.

Your mom would be alive.

1:24:23

And so does he blame her?

Yes.

1:24:26

Yeah.

No.

1:24:27

There are.

Examples.

1:24:28

That she's given where he just doesn't know how to What about the fact that he told mom not to take

that's.

1:24:34

What I'm playing and she goes, you're an idiot.

I'm going to take it anyway.

1:24:37

It's hard to put normal how we think to.

You know the logic of things that happen with trauma like this.

1:24:44

Her relationship with her dad, it it improves later in years, but it wasn't great for a long time.

Could you imagine going through all that shit losing your mom?

1:24:54

Climbing through shit and muck for 10 days barely surviving, only for your dad to be disappointed in

you that you went to a dance 100% and when he came in.

1:25:05

She said it was pretty uneventful.

He came in, they gave each other hug and there wasn't a whole lot said, you know, like it.

1:25:12

It's a very weird relationship I think, that she had with her father.

That's crazy sad.

1:25:18

Yeah, for sure.

So.

1:25:21

Her.

Father, as I'm telling you guys, he never really recovered from the loss of his wife.

1:25:25

And although never spoken, Julianne does believe that he had some resentment towards her.

Survive.

1:25:32

Like surviving in a.

Yeah.

1:25:34

Yeah.

That's kind of a Dick move, Hans.

1:25:38

Kind of a Long story short, Julianne goes out with some of her friends, and the reporters are on

her, like, stink on shit for a long time.

1:25:46

Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

To this day, she could go there and they know who she is.

1:25:50

Wow.

And a friend basically convinces her, hey, come to the pool with us.

1:25:54

You need to unwind.

Let's go skydiving.

1:25:56

She.

Yeah, exactly.

1:25:58

There's reporters at this pool that she ends up.

Talking with and the dad sees it.

1:26:03

He gets fucking furious.

He actually tells her like, you know, this is how you mourn the loss of your mother, you know, with

1:26:11

shit like this.

And wow.

1:26:13

And it's like a Dick.

He gets pissed off.

1:26:15

And sends her home to.

Germany what?

1:26:17

He says.

Hey, this is not a good place for you into well to his family.

1:26:22

War-torn.

Fucking post World War 2.

1:26:25

Air Germany thanks Dad to live with her family.

With their family, yeah.

1:26:29

What a piece of shit and so get this.

Dude so he can study.

1:26:33

Fucking bugs.

Yeah, basically.

1:26:35

So he what an idiot so.

He stays.

1:26:38

There in.

Peru ships her back to Germany.

1:26:41

They would go years from that point without seeing each other.

Are you kidding me?

1:26:46

After all that, he doesn't like embrace.

His daughter years, he's a piece of shit and there are there are a lot of letters that she found.

1:26:53

Later from her aunts that took care of her, where they were sending back to him telling him you're a

Dick, yeah, you need to stop treating her this way, you know?

1:27:04

And.

And so yeah, it was.

1:27:06

And she's alive today.

She is alive today.

1:27:09

Wow man.

And so.

1:27:10

That famous producer we talked about, Werner Herzog.

No, the guy that was going to not, he was going to get.

1:27:16

On the plane but missed it or something.

So he actually made a movie.

1:27:20

Called Wings of Hope.

It's kind of funny.

1:27:22

It's an old movie, obviously, and she describes it as pretty fucking cheesy.

Not really all that accurate, but but nonetheless, he, he made a movie about her.

1:27:35

The media made her life a living fucking hell for a long, long time.

And I would venture to say half of the fucking stories that got told were complete bullshit.

1:27:47

There wasn't even any fucking truth to them.

And so she started, you know, gathering a pretty healthy dislike for the media.

1:27:53

Let me jump ahead.

What does she do now?

1:27:56

So that's right where we're at.

So she actually.

1:27:59

Like her parents became a famed biologist.

She's actually technically considered a mammologist.

1:28:05

Mammologist.

Yeah.

1:28:07

What are anything?

Her with specific to bats.

1:28:11

Bats.

Yeah, and she's done.

1:28:13

She's not in.

She wasn't in Wuhan, was she?

1:28:15

No, no, no.

But she's.

1:28:18

She's a like a muckety muck in the science world.

She's like Batgirl.

1:28:22

Yes, she's Batgirl. 100% wow.

Literally she flew like Batgirl.

1:28:29

So so here's.

A.

1:28:30

Here's another cool.

Thing so.

1:28:32

Panguana, that research site stayed and is still operating and her dad's probably dead now.

Her dad passed.

1:28:39

I believe in.

Like 2000.

1:28:41

But that site stayed operating, still operates.

She actually saved it.

1:28:46

So she went back and was able to because she owned the land.

Her parents had purchased the land.

1:28:53

So she actually had it turned into basically like a preserve, Yeah, and was able to basically make

it so the investors that come in and want to make it fucking basically cattle ranching, you know,

1:29:06

they can't do it.

And so to this day, Panguana exists, and scientists from all around the world still travel there to

1:29:13

study.

Wow, what a fucking story dude.

1:29:16

Yep, that was like A7 course meal, Yeah.

So no one was.

1:29:19

Murdered, but all the same man it was.

That's intense.

1:29:22

Well, I mean her.

Her dad killed her spirit.

1:29:25

That sucks, but what?

The tenacity.

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Yeah.

Generationally gone through that family.

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Jesus.

You that.

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That's what I'm telling you man, It could have been 6.

Books written about these people talk about a life.

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Yeah, I'm a little less.

I'm full.

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Yeah.

I don't even know what to say.

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So before we leave, if anybody has a story.

If you're a first responder, nurse, civilian, anybody who has an interesting story, feel free to

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Instagram, DM us or e-mail us at 72 House Podcasts at.

Gmail.com.

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All right, thanks for joining us.

All right, I'll, I'll get the dishes.

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Boys, thank God, all right.

Go to bed goodnight.