Rebecca Zahau

Rebecca Zahau was a bright, well-liked woman found hanging from a bedroom window after the tragic accident of her stepson, Max. With no apparent signs of struggle, her death is quickly ruled a suicide. But not everyone is convinced. The deeper her family goes, the more the question grows: Did Rebecca take her own life… or did someone make it look that way?

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Sources:

• True Crime Conversations - Perfect Murder Or Tragic Accident: What Happened to Rebecca Zahau
• Wikipedia - Jonah Shacknai
• Oxygen True Crime, By Jill Sederstrom

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So thank you to those guys for the help and for listening.
So let's get to the to the person we're going to talk about today.
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There's two of them actually, one of them named Rebecca's the How and the other Max Shaknai.
So there is kind of connections for us here.
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Is the how and shaknai are those real names?
That's a movie, I'm pretty sure, with a detective and a dog.
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It's the how and shaknai.
I don't know.
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It's like German murder mystery.
Exactly.
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So we do have a connection.
Like I said, Rebecca did spend some time in Scottsdale as a what at least appears to me to be.
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A go go dancer.
Our our classic Scottsdale girl, Yeah.
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Yeah, she's a go brother.
Yeah, yeah.
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I don't think she was a stripper, but yes, you're getting the direction I'm heading in.
And she's pretty, right?
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She's very pretty, yes.
Oh yeah.
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She is pretty.
Look at her.
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Yeah, very pretty.
So let's get into Rebecca's life a little bit.
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She was born March 15th, 1979 in Myanmar.
And yes, Kenny, I'm saying it right.
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I don't think you are.
And I'm not going to trick you now because, you know, this is also called Burma and it's next door
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to Thailand.
So she's Thailandian.
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She's Thailandian.
Sounds whimsical.
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She actually, though, did spend a chunk of her adolescent years in Nepal and Germany.
Girl that I love.
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Yeah, she's a girl of your heart.
Yeah, I know.
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So did she come from wealth then?
Because that seems.
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Not at all.
Is that so?
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That's typical.
No.
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Is there any part of the story that she might be not mail order but like kind of got her way?
Through OK, no.
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Yeah, you Dick.
I'm just saying, you know?
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Yeah, guess what?
You're cancelled.
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Yeah.
I'm not cancelled, I'm just asking not all people from.
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Thailand or from the mail?
You're horns, clearly.
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You don't like Thailandians?
Yeah.
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Grow up.
Nerd.
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So she moved to the States in 2001.
She had three sisters.
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The youngest, Zena, was at the house when all of the things happened that put this into motion.
And it is a tragedy.
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So in 2002 she married a 36 year old nursing student named Nil Nalepa.
And this was another Scottsdale guy.
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They divorced in 2011.
So 9 years of marriage.
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He was a nurse, though he.
Was a male nurse Fokker?
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Yeah, that is true.
That.
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Is true a lot.
Exactly.
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So a little deeper history into Rebecca.
In August of 2009, when she was 30, she was arrested for shoplifting approximately $1000 worth of
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jewelries at one of the Macy's in Phoenix.
And so this kind of gets back to what I was telling you guys I'm.
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That chick's a thief.
She.
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She.
No, no.
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No.
She was wrongly convicted.
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Oh OK good, because I thought she just stole some jewelry.
That looks like.
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A mug shot.
That is a mug shot.
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Yeah, and she looks, she's.
Like she does not look happy, no.
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So hot though I got a Michael Kors.
I've been working on it.
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Yeah, she's.
Bling.
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She's not happy.
So So she worked as an ophthalmic technician until 2010.
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It's a masseuse.
Someone who?
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Yes, she's a Yeah, she's a Thailandian masseuse.
That's how they say masseuse and masseuse people on the beach.
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OK, my ears perked up.
You want tuk tuk and give you 2 bucks?
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And it cost.
You $2.
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I have 150.
So in 2008 Rebecca starts dating 51 year old Jonah Shaknai.
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So as you guys can do the simple math on this, she was married until 2011.
I was going to say, did did I hear that wrong?
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So she's been OK.
You heard it right.
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So.
So three years she's been dating 51 year old Jonah Shaknai and two.
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Dudes correct And and being married.
Right, well, one to male nurse and then. 1 is a Well, we'll find out.
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We'll find out.
Another male nurse.
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No, she moved up.
So good for her.
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A little more about Jonah.
He was born in 1957 and was 54 at the time of all of the crisis that happened and.
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That's quite the age gap.
They got a 20 year age gap, so a little deeper history.
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Jonah earned a bachelor's degree from Colgate, and you guys know Colgate because Chuck Abbadessa's
son went there very.
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Prestigious college went.
Yeah, that's a nice.
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Nice college, an amazing college, yeah, and.
Dental school, I believe I.
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Think the two things, no?
I think, I think actually, you knuckleheads is stockbrokers, people that deal with money, high
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investment.
Yeah, obviously probably part of the secret society, the schools.
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You're exactly right.
They most certainly are.
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So he's a Mason.
He also got a law degree from Georgetown.
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And wait, Georgetown.
Georgetown.
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So not a slouch.
Another secret Society of the High Skull and Bones.
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Skull and Bones, Masons, Zuminati, you name it.
All of the above.
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Good for him.
So he's also a connected guy.
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At least he's about to be.
From 1977 to 1982, he worked as the chief aide to the Committee on Health Policy in the United
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States of Representatives.
He also served on the Commission of the federal Drug Approval Process and the National Council on
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Drugs.
Big.
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Pharma.
Pharma.
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Big.
Pharma, which is trust us, we're not.
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We're definitely not poisoning.
You and it's during the time of don't do drugs.
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Drugs are bad.
That's right, unless we sell them to you.
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Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So he's a big dog in that industry.
To sit on these commissions, you have to be a point by someone special.
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Yep.
And done something somewhat special that makes you special to them.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Wink, wink.
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H JS.
Yeah, let's just be honest.
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Yeah.
Do you know what HA is?
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I don't.
OK, good.
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That's.
Because you can't afford.
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It Yeah geez, listen, I'm about to take you to simple minds on a journey.
You just need to get behind me and follow all.
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Right.
OK.
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All right, all.
Right.
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So he was also a member of the National Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Disease Advisory
Council and on the United States Israel Science and Technology Commission.
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He's a busy Beaver dude.
So huge, like when you start thinking of the US and Israel and those kind of relationships in your
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put in the middle of that you're important.
You're important for.
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Sure, you're very important.
So from 1982 to 1988, he was a senior partner at the law firm Royer Shaknai and Melee.
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Primarily, these people rent represented multinational pharmaceutical companies.
So you're getting the picture. high-powered, dude.
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Yeah, high-powered dude.
He's like that guy from suit.
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Yes, he is.
So in 1988 he founds his own pharmaceutical company.
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It's called Medics Pharmaceuticals.
In 2012, he left his position as CEO when the company was bought out by Valiant Pharmaceuticals. 2.6
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billion with AB billion billion billion.
OK.
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Yeah, so he doesn't have to do anything.
He don't have to do shit but hook up with her.
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His yes, little Asian persuasion.
I would do that.
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Yeah, I don't blame him.
Yeah, she just wouldn't do you, buddy.
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Nah, Nah.
Hey.
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I'm low level.
If I had billions, good point.
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Anybody would do me.
So yeah.
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Two chicks at the same.
Time and listen, Fiona's here.
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I'm going to say it right now, I have thousands and I have a Canadian, thank you very much.
OK.
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So it doesn't take much guys, doesn't take much all.
Right.
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You got me there.
You got me.
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There on payday.
So so Jonah's been married three times and he's the father of five children.
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His first marriage resulted in a divorce and a three-year custody battle for his two children.
The second marriage was to a woman named Dina Romano, and that also ended.
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In divorce, I knew you were going to say that.
Yep, Yep.
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You're fucking this guy.
I know you're cracking cases everywhere.
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You stay close to me, you're gonna get sharp just like I.
Am you're going places I might get cut I'm.
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Too close to you're going places, buddy.
So he fathered three children with Dina, one of which was Maxfield.
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Aaron Shaknai, Max, they called him.
Not Maximilian.
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Not Maximilian, it's.
Actually kind of a cool name.
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I'm not.
Going to Max is cool.
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Name Maxfield No Max.
You're you're, you're.
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I'm simple minded Maxfield.
You're.
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Yeah, you're rich.
Yeah.
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Yeah, but knowing you, you'd spell like MACKS or something like that.
That's true.
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Good point.
Good point.
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I would, that's just.
I don't know how to spell.
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Did you even put the apostrophe in his name?
I don't.
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Think you're supposed to make fun of dyslexics like that?
I think.
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I think I I don't care.
Yeah.
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Thank you.
I'm with you.
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So.
So Jonah's third marriage was to Rebecca's.
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A how?
And they had been dating like we had talked about since 2008.
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Jonah, as you would imagine, with 2.6 billion, had multiple homes.
One of those homes was located on Coronado Island, and it was known as the Spreckels Mansion.
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Yeah.
I'm like a lot of stories, yes.
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So.
Or no, it'd be a never mind.
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Yeah, the Sprinkles mansion, Yeah.
Sprinkles.
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Things were going well then the.
Sprinkles with freckles.
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So, yeah, so, so this house apparently was built by obviously earlier by a Doctor Who last name was
Spreckels.
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And so, but it's known because it's one of the more beautiful mansions on Coronado Island.
I've seen it.
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I've seen it.
I've actually being going to Coronado Island.
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I actually saw that mansion.
Oh, you're kidding me, I totally am, because I saw a picture earlier.
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No, you've never been there.
I have not been there.
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You sack a.
Dude, I got you.
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Sack A.
Dude, so so like we said, this guy Coronado Island and he has one of the nicest mansions on Coronado
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Island.
So he's the guy that looks down upon.
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The smaller 10,000 square foot houses that are barely making ends.
Meet.
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Yeah, look at the pores.
He's broke, Poor.
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Millionaires, he's worried, are going to break into his house and steal his car.
Yeah.
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Get away from me, you dirty bum.
Yeah, just throwing like hundreds out there the window, you know, like just to like make his escape.
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Like with that one movie beat up Mercedes down the street.
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Yeah.
I think it's, I think it's a lease.
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Yeah, you didn't buy it like I did.
That's right.
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So on July 11th, 2011, Jonah leaves the house to go play tennis.
Which?
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Which that's what people do.
Isn't that though?
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Like so it's it's a.
What are you fitting?
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Yeah, it's fitting, but it's what's it called?
A It's a cliche.
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Very cliche.
Very standard.
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Very.
Yeah, the guy's going to fucking play tennis.
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Very.
Disappointing because he doesn't have his own tennis court in his backyard.
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Oh, good point, good point.
You know, that kind of leads me to believe he might be poor, he might be lying.
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About all this.
If you have all that property.
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So if you had money, you wouldn't buy a Spreckel mansion?
Yeah, so Rebecca and her 14 year old sister Zena were at the home along with Jonah's six year old
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son Max.
According to Rebecca, she was in the bathroom and hears a loud crash.
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She runs out and finds 6 year old Max on the floor unconscious, unresponsive and with some visible
trauma to his face.
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There were parts of a broken chandelier next to him and his Razor scooter was in that same area.
And so she I think at this point one, she did CPR, he wasn't breathing and.
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She's trying to imply that he was riding his Razor scooter inside his mansion and went over the
railing.
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He went over the.
Railing and again so we put a picture up on the screen and the easy thought is to go how does a four
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foot person make it over a three foot balcony off of a razor but if you can think about it a. 6 year
old's just barely over 3.
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Foot, the only way I think it could happen is if he endowed press the front brake.
No way.
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I I totally disagree with you.
There's no way it's going to pop you off.
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Have you endowed anything?
A. 100%, but at first we went, OK, you don't want to get into the logistics of this.
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You want to how?
Fast you think?
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Come on, Bill Nye, the science guy.
All right, let's.
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Move beyond the math and let's go to as the stairwell slopes down.
Oh, he blew over the downward slope.
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OK, so he actually didn't have to make.
It he hit at an angle.
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He hit it at an angle.
Correct.
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All right, OK.
Correct.
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I take back.
So like I said, she's doing, she's doing CPR.
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She had called 911, and Max was ultimately transported to the local trauma center where he did
arrive unconscious, unresponsive with brain and spinal trauma.
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That's bad.
Yeah.
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Not not good.
So Jonah was alerted first and was the first one at the hospital.
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And what nobody knew at the time was this was going to be the beginning of what was going to become
a horrible tragedy that people probably for 100 years from now will hear that she.
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Murdered him.
No she didn't murder him, but it gets pretty bad for sure.
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I agree to disagree.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of suspicion going on with this Scott still.
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Stick of my Thief.
That's right.
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You guys are amazing detectives.
That's why I have you, honestly.
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So while Jonah and Dina were at the hospital tending to Max, Rebecca was primarily at the house and
she handled the family and basically keeping everything afloat in that area.
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One of the things that she was tasked to do was pick up Jonah's brother, Adam from the airport.
So when all of this happened, Jonah's dad had called Adam the brother and said, hey, will you come
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in and support your brother?
And so he came in from, I believe, Tennessee, and she picked him up from the airport.
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Let's talk a little bit about Adam Shaknei.
He's the younger brother, six years younger to Jonah Shaknei.
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They grew up in Suffern, NY.
You guys ever heard of that place?
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I never.
Heard of it?
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Yeah, actually I have.
Yeah, I can't say I have he as a profession.
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Adam was or is still, I believe, a tugboat captain and he started doing that work in 1997 and keep
kind of filed that away because that's going to come back into play here shortly.
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So Adam had been dating the same girl for over 20 years.
They weren't married and did not live together.
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This is a weird relationship that you'll probably love.
I was going to say, man, this guy's my idol.
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Yeah, so he's 20 years.
They don't live together, not married.
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They live a few blocks away and they see each other about 5 to 6 * a week.
This is the tugboat.
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Captain, this is the tugboat.
Captain and his girlfriend.
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And his girlfriend.
Oh man, dude.
17:18
What did he say?
Strong, Yeah.
17:19
Yeah, he's definitely worked some magic out with that one for sure.
Be a.
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Tucker.
No, I'm just kidding.
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So, so Adam was in Memphis like we talked about when he got the call from his father and said, hey,
Max has been in a bad accident, we need you to come.
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Rebecca picks him up from the airport and a little bit after that Jonah meets the two of them and
another friend for dinner.
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After dinner, Jonah gets dropped off at the hospital and Adam and Rebecca head back to the house.
And.
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I know what you guys are, Lance is thinking.
He better not sleep with.
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Yeah, she'd give him a rub and tug.
Yeah, with this tugboat.
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That's right, because I know you've told me how careful you are with your brother around when.
Big time.
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Big time.
So I know what you're thinking here.
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Yeah, but you're not correct.
They're sneaky.
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They're sneaky, those ones.
So less than 24 hours after the arrival of Adam Shaknai, another tragedy would unfortunately strike.
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According to Adam, after dinner with Jonah and Rebecca, he went straight to his guest room that was
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on the Spreckels mansion grounds and did not leave there until the morning.
So early the next.
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Solid alibi.
Yeah.
18:33
Solid alibi.
John was there.
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Just ask me.
Yeah.
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Wait, I'm seeing a picture of a door on a balcony.
Yeah, and we'll get to that.
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So hang on to that.
I'm just visiting this guy on a scooter.
18:43
No, that's not the scooter.
Yeah, that's not it.
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So early the next morning, at about 6:45 AM, Adam leaves his room, his guest room, to get some
coffee from a nearby coffee shop.
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When he returns to the grounds, he's coming in and he notices something he says out of his
peripheral vision that catches his attention.
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So he kind of walks a little closer, takes a better look, and realizes this is Rebecca's a how
hanging from an exterior balcony she got.
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She.
Yes, and that picture you just brought up, that's where she was found hanging.
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From Oh no.
Yeah.
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I've been on hanging before.
Yeah, I think I know about that hanging pal.
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I've only been on one of those dangling feet hangings.
Oh my gosh, I've been on 2.
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I've been on.
A yeah, no, no.
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I've been on a ton of hangings.
The ones with their feet are obviously dangling.
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I've only been on a few.
They're believe.
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It or not, I'll tell you this.
I went on one on Halloween and a girl had hung herself from like the tennis court fence and you know
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how they go way high up.
She had strung a rope up there and she was wearing a black long like Stevie Nicks looking dress.
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And it was a little bit windy that Halloween.
So it was probably 2:00 in the morning when someone found her.
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So we'd come and she was kind of just swaying.
That's creepy.
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In this like witch looking black outfit, it was really, really creepy.
And then the other one I want to talk about is the one I was on with you.
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Oh yeah.
And so I won't get into specifics about area or anything, but I will tell you when you see someone
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naked from the neck down wearing a black leather mask hung hung on a partial cross from the ceiling
of their garage.
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You know, they just had the best time of their.
Lives.
20:41
There's dildos stuck to the walls.
Yeah, OK, hold on.
20:44
There needs to be a little bit more contacts with this, OK?
Because we walk into the scene and we just see this guy hanging in his face, his covers.
20:51
We can't really tell he's dead.
We don't.
20:52
Not sure if it just happened or not so I don't want to name any names, but somebody had to go and
grab their legs and then their junk was hitting them in the face as we take them.
21:01
Out of the ground.
Yeah, Ryan's with Schmickner.
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But so anyways, what the funny part of the whole story is unfortunately the guy passed away.
We didn't know he's was filming himself and he was on speaker.
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Well, there happened to be a mic on like there.
This is this is the.
21:20
I've never heard this story.
No, I never heard this story.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
And so somebody goes over to Mike just joking around saying check baby, check baby, and we hear
21:29
echo.
Oh no.
21:30
And then we realize there's cameras, everything, and we're like they it's all caught on tape.
It was a live feed.
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It was a live feed and apparently this guy was doing this and posting it on the Internet and he
would say whatever he was saying, you know, like Lord Jesus, whatever he might say.
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And he it was accidental hanging because he would do it in a way where you couldn't see the stool
and he kicks out the stool on accident and then you see him kind of end up dying.
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Right.
Yeah.
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Super weird one.
Yeah, Weird, weird one.
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Yeah.
So Long story short, is the hanging creepy?
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Don't.
I don't like him.
22:08
And when I see the stuff and the evidence from this it, there's a certain part of it that gives me
the heebie jeebies.
22:16
So let's move on, all right?
Yeah.
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So.
So he finds Rebecca hanging.
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She was.
This is where things start getting really weird.
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So she was nude for one.
So was it a gilt hanging?
22:31
Well, so we'll, we'll get into that in just a second.
Her hands are bound behind her back.
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That's weird.
Her ankles are bound and there's a shirt placed in her mouth as a gag.
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That's a weird.
That's all weird.
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And So what you guys are seeing up here is a picture of how the feet.
You can tell like it.
22:52
The blood was pulling.
Yeah, right there.
22:55
Oh.
Man.
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And so, yeah.
So you so and make note, right, of the knots and how those are tied.
23:03
And this is a picture of the hands bound.
And so again, you know, you can, you can make note.
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And also if you look, you see how there's a piece of rope that goes around and wraps around her
thumb.
23:17
Yeah.
OK, make note of that, Right.
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Yeah, so according to Adam, he runs inside, calls 911.
The 911 call was at 6:48.
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So remember this, He found her at 645911, calls 648.
And then right after that, he shoots a text to his brother and lets him know, hey, Rebecca's hung
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herself.
I'm pinched.
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He grabs.
He grabs a knife that was there already and uses a side table that's kind of right there, a wooden
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side table, and he cuts Rebecca down and per him, starts CPR.
With her hands still bound.
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He unbound her hands and feet.
Rebecca was worked by the paramedics but ultimately called on scene.
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OK, so and this is 2000.
This is 2011 Eleven, OK.
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And so she's called on scene by the medics.
She, if we might talk about this a little later, but the medics noted rigor to her jaw.
24:28
So when they went to innovate her, they couldn't move her jaw.
She's stiff of the board.
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Yeah, so they knew that she'd been down for a while.
And once the the people that did the autopsy, the coroner, they estimate that the time of death was
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probably around 3:00 in the morning.
Quick question here, is that like a mannequin?
24:49
Is it a mannequin?
Because that looks like a pretty real mannequin.
24:51
No, no, 2011.
Is that a person that's an actor?
24:55
On display.
Oh OK, well, I want that job.
24:58
It's, it's an actor.
They, I read about it shortly after Rebecca's death and, and I mean pretty quick for, for the things
25:07
that happened there.
Police determine her death to be a suicide.
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And so I do want to talk briefly her.
Hold on.
25:16
They need to call us on this case 100% San Diego.
Bullshit.
25:20
Yeah, it's not very good.
Exactly, they need 3 rock head firefighters to.
25:26
Well, unless you're a billionaire and you pay me some money, then I'll say whatever you want me to
say.
25:30
Which it sounds exactly like what happened.
Well, OK, so again, knowing the things that we know, which are not much, your hands are tied behind
25:40
your back in a fairly complex knot, right?
Your feet are bound, you've got a gag in your mouth, you're naked, which is another part to me which
25:52
we will talk about these things.
But women do not want to be seen naked other than by the person that they choose to be seen naked
26:00
by.
I thought you were going to say something completely different, that they don't like the things in
26:03
their mouth.
Well, that is.
26:05
That is true too, actually being married.
Let alone.
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Gags.
Yeah, exactly.
26:13
So, so you start going, OK, that's weird.
I can tell you this collectively with the hangings that we've all seen, which I'll bet you is
26:24
probably in the dozen.
Plus, I've never seen anyone once with their hands tied behind their back and their feet bound.
26:32
The most is the one that we are on where the guy was.
Like on a like.
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A cross thing, Yeah, Yeah, but even that one even knew.
What it was, it was a sexual.
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That's a dude, and dudes are off the off the charts.
That's true.
26:44
We're not talking.
Yeah.
26:45
So when you're right, women don't like to be seen naked and no.
And So what I do want to show you right now is we have a quick video and this is a woman that the
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Police Department hired to simulate how someone can do this fairly easily as far as those knots and
getting their hands behind their backs.
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The question is, how long did it take her to learn that well?
So that I don't know, but we'll talk about that briefly.
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Well, and I'm also wondering like what is the purpose of this knowledge for her?
Is she like in?
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No, she was taught this for sure.
They taught her it wasn't she's not like a, you know, a mountain climber that came in here.
27:24
And so.
But what I do want to say is that it.
27:26
Took them days.
You guys can watch this, what she's doing here and how she sets this up so that she can tighten this
27:34
behind her back.
I feel like this, like this is bullshit just because why would anybody want to learn this, want to
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do this, want to display themselves such as this and only to kill themselves?
Well, we'll, we'll get into that.
27:48
Doesn't prove anything to me, but I will tell you this again, as firefighters, we know we have to
know how to tie some basic knots and we get evaluated on them every year.
28:00
I can tell you that every time we have evaluations on knots, you'll see guys for a few hours
beforehand playing with little pieces of hoes and not their Ding dongs to to try and remember how to
28:13
tie these knots.
And these are people that have been tying knots for 20 years.
28:17
And so to convince me that a young Scottsdale girl knew how to tie this kind of knot behind her
back, and then, like Lance said, the question is, well, why?
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You don't need to do anything.
That's my biggest thing.
28:32
Well, unless it was some kind of.
Sex.
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But look here, do you see?
Do you see how she's tightening that rope and has it around her thumb?
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Yeah, that's how Rebecca's hand was, with the rope in her hand, just like that.
Yeah, I that's speculation circumstance I.
28:48
Mean well and there's a whole bunch of circumstances.
Still, it's more of the why for me.
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Well, and we'll we'll get more into that here in a second, but.
OK, hold on, I'm just going to say this.
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A six year old almost dies from a scooter accident.
No Does die 5.
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He's not dead yet.
Yeah, he's not dead yet.
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I thought she no he.
He's at the hospital.
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He's.
At the hospital.
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And he's and then in that condition.
And the next day or next couple days, she's.
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This is 3 days later that she's three days later.
I'm calling fucking bullshit.
29:21
Man, well and OK, we'll get to that.
Save it.
29:24
Save it right because.
There's a lot I'm saying as I'm not a cop, I.
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Should be 100 percent, 100%.
We'll get to that.
29:30
So here's what we know, right?
Let's start getting into some of the evidence of some of these other things.
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The belief from PD is that Rebecca had received a call a few hours prior, which she did.
The call went to her voicemail.
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She was most likely in the shower because we know that she showered that night too.
She gets out of the shower and at 12:50 AM, she plays that voicemail back.
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She deletes the voicemail.
That's almost one in the morning.
30:05
We know based on the coroner's findings that she died somewhere around 3.
So you're looking at about a two hour window that she decided I'm going to kill myself and I'm going
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to do it in this crazy way.
I'm going to learn how to tie knots behind my back, tie my feet, climb a three foot railing and get
30:25
over it somehow to I'm going to get naked, get naked, right which.
Is like, pretty yeah, still calm.
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And I'll tell you something else.
Well, we'll get to the some of the other details of it.
30:37
But they believe that she during that message, she found out which it is true that Jonah Shack and I
left her a message telling her, hey, this is not looking good.
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We don't think he's going to make it.
And so she did receive that message a few hours prior to this.
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So I guess you're the cops are trying to say she felt riddled with guilt?
Yes.
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Yeah, I don't think so.
So, well, let's keep going.
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So it would also come out that Rebecca and Jonah weren't doing the best as their relationship was
concerned.
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So according to Rebecca's journal entries, she wanted children.
Jonah did not.
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He's like, hey, I already got 5, I don't need any more.
Rebecca also noted that Jonah really seemed to be growing distant from her.
31:26
And she thinks that was, it sounds like she thinks that was had to do with the kid, the kids issue,
wanting kids.
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There were other issues, but we'll talk about those.
And so these are the things that PD are using, right, to justify the suicidal thought process.
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So they're going, hey, our relationship wasn't good.
She was watching the kid that ended up dying.
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She got this message.
And they're starting to paint the picture they believe happened.
31:52
There's also speculation that along with the guilt of Max's death, she feared the relationship would
come to an end with Jonah and the lifestyle that she had become accustomed to would come to an end
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as well.
Did he marry her?
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They were married.
He'd get half then.
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He's been through it three times.
Well.
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Those guys are fairly savvy when signing a bunch of.
Shit, I'm guessing in that marriage she had a prenup.
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Prenup.
Anyway, yeah, this guy's a kabillionaire.
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He's and he's he didn't win the lottery.
He's a smart person.
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Yeah, yeah.
Fair enough.
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Yeah, so you idiot, sorry.
So PD wanted, right, wanted you to believe she's suicidal because all these things, the
32:34
relationship's not going good.
She might lose her meal ticket and she's suicidal.
32:41
So as we discussed earlier, Rebecca didn't come from money.
Just a few years prior, as we know, she was busted for shoplifting jewelry.
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I would imagine that there was a stark difference between her life before Jonah and her life after
Jonah.
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That would be my logical.
Steep increase of lifestyle.
33:00
A.
Privilege.
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And that's what police also wanted, wanted to paint at least that picture for you.
So police also noted marks on the railing.
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And this is weird because I've read it both ways.
Police noted marks on the railing that Rebecca had hung herself on that they say look like the
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footprints of shuffling feet, like she had got herself up there and was able to shuffle her feet
over to hang herself and she.
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Wearing muddy shoes.
No, barefoot she was she was naked so but they could see supposedly right could see these Marks and
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so and that was another thing that.
Railing.
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That little skinny railing right there, correct?
Maybe a couple of inches.
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That's about 3 feet.
And mind you, Rebecca.
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That railing like I'm talking.
That railing is 3 feet tall.
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No, no, no, no, I'm saying.
The thickness.
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Thickness of it shuffling.
Got up on.
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There as your.
Feet, no shuffling from the floor to the balcony to the railing.
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And then I assumed she would climb up on the railing and then throw herself over.
Correct.
34:09
So, and we'll talk about this in a minute, but that rope is not anchored to that railing.
It's actually anchored to a metal, a steel bed inside the bedroom, which is another part that we'll
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talk about it.
But look, you know, not to be sexist or chauvinist, but she was a Scottsdale girl.
34:30
How much she knew about anchors and yeah, how to anchor something appropriately so that it.
Yeah.
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But she also.
Looked at a. 105 lbs too so.
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Yeah, that's true too, but I wouldn't.
Think that that would be necessarily an issue.
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The fact that she was even thinking about.
That anchoring ton not on the other right.
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Right.
It's strange to me.
34:52
And so anyway, there was also a note that was written on the door that led into that bedroom that
you guys are looking at.
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The message that was written, it was in black paint and it read she saved him, can he save her?
No.
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Can you?
Can you save her?
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What's that mean?
No, that's not it, it said.
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It's that one's not right.
It said she saved him.
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Can he save her?
That one that you're seeing that you is not correct.
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Can you?
Save can can he save her?
35:25
Can he?
Save her.
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Yeah, I'm +100%.
So the message has been highly disputed, what it meant.
35:33
And I don't even want to get into it because there's so many varied ideas about what that meant that
the end of the day, what it means to me is someone, someone, someone, I'll.
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And so it's.
Not coming up.
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She saved him, and you saved him.
Well, we'll.
35:55
Take a look at that.
We'll take a look at that in a minute.
35:58
So.
Definitely.
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Either way, it's it's strange.
I'm perplexed.
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Yeah.
Strange.
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So police are not sure what this meant, like we said.
But what they do theorize is that it had to do somehow with Rebecca's religious beliefs.
36:14
She was, from what I understand, a fairly devout Christian, although she had not been attending
church frequently since she had been with Jonah.
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Typically it's Buddhism, but.
Is that what they are in Thailand really?
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Yeah, they're Buddhists.
So these were Christians.
36:30
So police also support their theory of suicide by the fact that absolutely no DNA other than that of
Rebecca's, a house is found in that bedroom.
36:43
And we'll talk about what the family's theories are about what happened.
But if the family's theories were correct, you would think that there would be DNA evidence left in
36:55
that in that room somewhere.
And we'll, we'll get to that here shortly.
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So police believe that Zaha was not happy in her marriage and already depressed.
They use a lot of cell phone messages.
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So they got her phone and they hacked into it and they've got a bunch of text messages and stuff
like that.
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And so here's just a couple of the text messages that she had that police used to kind of support
that depressed mentality that they want people to believe she was in.
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She sent a text and I don't know who this was to but she says if I'm not thinking I'm crying and no
amount of money is worth what I'm going through.
37:38
Yeah, that's all bullshit.
Yeah.
37:41
Clearly there's an amount of money worth what you're going to go through.
I mean that's look at all the things that you did during your day perspective.
37:48
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
You know she's.
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Crying.
She could go back to Thailand and then she's really, you know, thinking and crying at the same time.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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Yeah.
I'll give you something to cry about.
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So here's another one.
It says, Am I just too much of A coward to face the truth that I'm settling for a few years, a few
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happy years?
Question mark.
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Question mark, which may never come.
Question mark.
38:12
Question mark.
Am I pretending that I will ever be content without having a child?
38:17
Question mark?
Question mark.
38:18
Hold on.
This plot's thickening because it's not.
38:23
I'm thinking it's the husband the whole time who's who kills her.
You know, son's in the hospital.
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She's there.
It's the other son.
38:30
So, so the so we'll talk about that, but the brother is the suspected killer.
Jonas Brother.
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Jonas brother, correct.
The tugboat, the tugboat captain, It turns out it.
38:42
Wasn't a rub and tug, it was.
A tug and suicide Tug and tug, yeah.
38:45
He thought she thought it was a just a normal massage.
Yeah.
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No.
So here's another one.
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It's my own fault.
I've allowed myself to be completely cut off from my own life.
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My life does not exist.
Another one.
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Who am I being talked to like I'm a worthless person by kids who are spoiled?
And we'll talk a little bit about that.
39:08
But last but not least, Rebecca had received the call we discussed earlier alerting her about the
condition of Max from Jonah.
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And she deleted that message, Like I told you guys.
But that's one of the last things that peace that police used to say.
39:27
Hey, these are the things that put her in this suicidal state of mind.
One of the most contested pieces of evidence that police had to account for was like we had talked
39:37
about her hands were bound behind her back, her ankles were bound, she had a gag in her mouth and
she was naked.
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You know I.
Get all of that except for that.
39:49
Like that makes total sense.
Like I I get you could be grief stricken and blame yourself 1000 times but to kill yourself like
39:56
that unless it's some weird.
Sex.
40:00
Fetish thing?
No, I mean like, like if it's like some symbolic thing, right?
40:06
You know that your spirit is bound.
I don't know.
40:10
This looks ridiculous.
Yeah, it's a murder.
40:13
It's a murder and guess, and I'm saying it again, you know who ties Knights knots very well?
Tugboat catch Tuggers.
40:19
Tuggers, Tuggers mother.
Tuggers, dude, tuggers, dude tuggers All right, so let let's talk a little bit now that's PD, right?
0:00
Let's talk about this is a how family and and how they think this thing happened.
40:32
So as you would probably expect.
How?
40:35
How did it?
So how did?
40:39
So how did?
So the the How family doesn't agree with the conclusions.
40:44
Obviously.
They believe wholeheartedly that Adam Shaknei sexually assaulted and then murdered Rebecca.
40:53
The tug, the tugger, but there's no DNA.
There's no DNA, but, and we'll get to all of this stuff.
40:58
So first of all, the family disputes the idea that their daughter was so distraught that she was
suicidal.
41:06
They also cite recent text messages and conversations that she had with her family.
Yeah.
41:11
Like, hey, guess what?
My husband's a billionaire and you're not.
41:18
Yeah, yeah, I can see those texts going out right now.
So Yep, so they.
41:25
Is he still single, by the way?
They also say that she was, they say although she was sad about what had occurred, of course, she
41:35
did not hold herself responsible for Max's accident.
So talking to the her family and parents, she didn't at no point said this is my fault.
41:43
You know, she understood that this was an accident that happened and I happened to be the
unfortunate person there.
41:49
It's like she was drinking and driving, got in an accident and killed her.
Correct.
41:52
Yeah, yeah, correct.
Like a Scottsdale chick would.
41:56
So as a matter of fact, the last text message that Rebecca did send said I have to be strong for
Jonah.
42:05
So, right, And these are again, now we're talking about the family stuff.
My emotions are getting tugged.
42:10
So Rebecca was considering leaving the relationship and this is for the family and didn't need that
lifestyle.
42:19
Her family says that, yeah, the relationship was not what people thought.
She was not treated like the Princess of a millionaire, but instead treated more like a nanny and a
42:30
housekeeper.
Which, Lance, that's what you do to win.
42:33
Yeah.
Yeah, that's how she likes it.
42:34
Yeah.
So we had talked about Tracy.
42:39
Pretty.
Good.
42:40
She's a St.
Actually, I've met her a couple times.
42:43
She's a nice woman.
So we had talked about this before and you said why the hell is someone else not picking up the
42:51
brother or doesn't he have a driver?
Doesn't he have?
42:54
Well, she did actually a lot of those functions in the house.
And so to give you an idea.
43:03
What you got to do the you?
Got to earn your keep.
43:05
Yeah, you got to earn your keep.
Well, I don't think there's nothing wrong with that.
43:08
Well, so to give you an idea, according to Rebecca's family, she spent most of her time there
running the kids around from errands and that that house had 27 bedrooms.
43:20
She was the primary cleaner of that house.
So yeah.
43:25
I mean, yeah, Lee.
You'd think he'd it.
43:28
It sounds crazy to me.
Cheap.
43:30
Yeah, well, billionaires don't splurge on money.
There's a reason why they're billionaires.
43:34
Very least you got to treat your woman right.
Well, you know.
43:36
What?
I mean, she's this third woman though, yeah.
43:38
Exactly.
He has this thing nailed down.
43:40
Yeah.
Yeah, for.
43:42
Sure, on a budget.
So that night as well, so I told you guys that she took a shower, that we know that she got that
43:54
message at about 12:50 in the morning.
Well, she'd also talked to her sister, her oldest sister that night and they had talked till about
44:05
10:00 at night for 40 minutes to an hour.
And that was obviously the last night she was alive.
44:11
Mary, the sister, says that Rebecca discussed coming home for her father's 80th birthday.
They hung up with Rebecca, saying that she was hey, I'm going to go take a shower, I'm going to go
44:22
to bed because I've got to be up early to get to the hospital and this was the last people known to
talk to Rebecca.
44:30
Her family also believes that Rebecca's strong religious beliefs concerning suicide was another
reason that she would have never done this.
44:39
She would have never hung herself or committed suicide because based on her Christian faith, that
was a sin.
44:46
It's frowned upon.
Right and they were they family was a fairly devout or is a fairly devout Christian family.
44:53
Here's another one that Lance, again, I think you kind of touched on this with something about when
earlier, but they also believe that her cultures strong conservative values and their desire not to
45:05
bring disgrace to your family name or to your parents.
I did.
45:09
Yeah.
It she would have never stripped nude and.
45:13
World to see.
Right for the world to see.
45:15
Especially outside how how she was displayed.
Maybe inside, I don't know, but probably not.
45:20
Yeah, even then, even then, probably not.
Not only that, but they make a point to say that she she hung herself.
45:27
She was also on her period and that comes into play here.
So file that away.
45:32
But but her sisters say that factors in her being on her period actually means something to her
parents and the religion where they're from.
45:41
So the fact that she would be nude and menstruating is I guess there's no way the family saying
there's no way she wouldn't have done it.
45:50
She would have seen that as disgraceful to her parents.
Really.
45:53
Yeah.
I.
45:54
Don't know.
Yeah, I'm trying to.
45:56
Figure that one out, but.
Well, I'm not exactly sure either.
45:59
I'm surprised you didn't do like some research on that because it's a lot of questions.
Yeah, there's a lot to this case, and so there's some things that we just don't have time to dive
46:08
into, especially with you 2, you know, simpletons.
You guys can take us down a wrong path.
46:13
Very.
Quick, I think you would understand though.
46:16
The period part though, like that's weird.
It is weird for sure.
46:21
So the message that was written on the door, right The the how family says the writing on the door
is not Rebecca's.
46:30
They actually took a few of the letters on there and they had a a writing expert.
An analyst.
46:38
Yeah, that analyzed them.
Now granted, this is one that the family paid, right.
46:42
But the the expert took a look at it and he took a look and compared it to writings of Rebecca into
writings of Adam Shaknai.
46:50
And what that expert said is that he did not believe that these were the writings of Rebecca Sahau.
He said they were more than like or more likely than that they were the writings.
47:03
That's about penmanship right there.
Adam Schaknai.
47:05
That's tugboat penmanship.
Clearly so can I ask this just me put on my detective hat is where'd the paint come from and was it
47:13
found close by?
So she was a painter?
47:16
Oh, all right, all right.
No Run.
47:18
And it was found, and we'll talk about that.
She was a.
47:20
Suicide run.
That's another piece of it.
47:22
I was trying to, you know, be.
Sly.
47:24
No, no, not too sly.
OK, so OK, so like I said, the experts that they hired said, hey, we don't believe this is
47:31
Rebecca's.
We think it's more likely Adams than Rebecca's, but they also weren't willing to say we think this
47:38
is Adam Schacknice.
They just said it's more likely his than hers is what they said her expert.
47:44
He's a son of a or a brother of of a billionaire.
Yeah, exactly.
47:47
Powerful pole, by the way.
So the paint bottle you had just talked about?
47:52
Yeah, listen, go on.
So the family experts, well, well, the family says that the paint bottle, there was only
48:02
fingerprints found on the cap of the paint bottle and they were Rebecca's.
The house, the bottle had no fingerprints on it whatsoever.
48:11
And the family saying, hey, how's that possible that she would use that thing, squeeze it to put it
on stuff.
48:18
And there's not one print of hers on that bottle.
Someone had to have wiped that bottle clean or.
48:26
She's been so busy cleaning the house because that's all she does.
She just forgot she hasn't taken me for a while.
48:31
Bottle and not the cap.
That's very common.
48:33
I don't think so.
I'm just, yeah.
48:37
I don't think so, but.
That's what the that's what the cops thought.
48:40
This is one of the things that the family says.
Why the hell are there not prints on the bottle she clearly has to squeeze it to?
48:45
Get.
Oh that makes sense.
48:46
It was wiped down.
So, but then you go, well, why don't you wipe the cap down too?
48:51
You know what I'm?
Saying they don't think of everything.
48:54
Yeah, I guess so.
OK, so the writing on the door, you can kind of see where it is.
48:58
She was tiny and I think she was 5 three.
And so again, writing experts looked at this, they did the calculations and measurements and say the
49:09
normal person, if they were writing this someone, yeah, some basically someone that wrote this, we
estimate to be between 5:10 and 6:00 foot.
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She was 5 three, so it would.
Have.
49:23
It would have been an uncomfortable way to do that.
And you kind of have to ask why, you know what I mean?
49:30
Like, what would prompt her to do some of these weird things that are done?
And so that's another piece.
49:39
And then you look at, of course, Adam Shaknei.
Of course, he's 511.
49:43
So, you know, the family kind of starts again, putting these things together.
The balcony railings that we looked at that you guys looked at, they were three feet.
49:54
They're over half the height of Rebecca herself.
She's 53.
49:58
The family experts argue it would have been nearly impossible for for her to get over that with her
feet tied and her hands behind her back.
50:07
And she had to hold on to that rope to keep those hand restraints tight, right?
So how is she climbing over this thing?
50:18
Well, that's that's that doesn't say anything.
If she's determined, she's willing to do it and that's what she is.
50:24
Her goal is she'll figure it out.
The way she did it and how she did it is the only thing I'm concerned about.
50:29
Why don't?
She set up an obstacle course that's.
50:31
What I'm saying, it doesn't make any sense.
She she was clearly murdered and.
50:37
Actually, to be honest with you, like if she really wanted to do it, she could do it in the where
the kid fell anchoring over there.
50:45
That'd be easier for her to hobble over that than everything what was set up was.
Elaborate.
50:51
But even Even so, she wouldn't be naked, her hands wouldn't be bound, she could have easily
suffocated herself 1000 different ways.
51:00
That was clearly a display.
A display or torture, whatever it was.
51:04
But well.
Anyway, And so we'll, yeah, we'll, we'll talk a little bit more about that.
51:08
But the, I told you guys that the rope that she used to hang herself was anchored to a steel bed
that was in that bedroom.
51:15
So that bed, if she did jump over and kind of throw herself over to that railing, even at, you know,
110 lbs or whatever she is, the experts say that that bed, it only moved 7 inches.
51:29
They were able to determine that the bed had moved 7 inches from its original location, which, you
know what that is?
51:35
That's twice the size of your Wiener.
Yeah.
51:37
So.
Yeah, so 7 inches and and experts say, hey, it should have moved way more than that.
51:47
And they, the experts, the family has also say that with that amount she fell 5 feet before that
rope would have tensioned.
51:55
They're saying a 5 foot drop with her weight and all the things going on.
They said that should have partially or completely decapitated her as a family.
52:04
Expert so it definitely would have moved the bed a lot more than depending unless it's a big ass
heavy bed, right?
52:11
Is that what they're?
Yeah, that's what they're saying. 7 inches doesn't sound like a woman.
52:15
No it doesn't.
It does for.
52:16
You peasants.
So, so here's another one.
52:19
The the last known photo of Rebecca had her wearing clothes that cannot be located.
They're gone.
52:27
Now what I'm not sure of though, is if the clothes that they're talking about were the ones that she
wore to dinner that night or I don't know when the picture was taken.
52:36
I just know they're the last.
It's the last known picture of her clothes, and that clothes is gone.
52:41
Do we have that picture?
We don't.
52:43
Dang it, I know.
Because it's the last known.
52:46
That's right, it's gone.
It's gone.
52:47
Well, not.
The picture itself, right?
52:51
So the last known I don't.
Want you to crack the case just yet?
52:54
I already did.
Hey, what's with the All right.
52:57
So I saw that earlier like.
So we'll talk about that.
53:00
That's coming up.
That's coming up.
53:02
So as we know, because of the manner of suicide, and again, this is things you and I can talk or we
can talk about the ability to tie knots.
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And I think we would all agree knowing knots the way we know them, those are fairly complex knots
that she tied.
53:20
It would be necessary to have some knowledge.
She had absolutely no history of not tying experience whatsoever.
53:29
Adam Shachnot, on the other hand, like we talked about, he's a tugger, He's a tugboat captain, and I
have to logically say he should know how to tie some basic fucking knots as a tugboat captain.
53:41
Or yes, at least at least figured out other knots too.
Absolutely, absolutely.
53:48
And so here's another piece, right?
There was no mention of and the police have her phone of any search history whatsoever that Rebecca
53:59
performed on Knots.
So Google was widely in use.
54:05
As a matter of fact, it was the most accessed website in 2011.
So it's not like Google wasn't there.
54:12
Case closed.
No.
54:14
So nothing there.
And from the time that that phone call came in, if indeed that's when she went over the edge and
54:21
said, I'm killing myself, she had.
Well, actually, from the time she listened at that message, which was 1250 AM, she had from about
54:29
1:00 in the morning to 3:00 in the morning to figure out how to anchor herself, how to tie these
knots, to paint the wall, to strip herself down to on and on and on.
54:40
Too complex.
Very complex.
54:42
Unnecessarily complex, yeah.
Yeah, and exactly and made complex supposedly by her, which is the part that you go, man.
54:52
Yeah, I get the suicide part, just not how it's done.
I just.
54:54
Don't.
Yeah, there's a lot easier ways to do it.
54:57
So here's another one.
Rebecca had four different points of trauma on the top of her head.
55:04
They were listed as subgallial hemorrhages, which all that basically means is they're bleeds below
the scalp.
55:13
And so the family experts believe that this is from an assault that happened prior to her being
hung.
55:22
And of course, as we know, they believe that was Adam Shaknai.
What the experts say, the police department's experts, hey, those aren't those could have very well
55:34
happened when she went over the railing because we don't know how she went over the railing.
She could have easily whacked her head on stuff on the way down.
55:42
The family is saying how did she whack her head four times from here to here?
You know it doesn't.
55:50
It these are horrible cops by the way.
Like, I'm sorry, are your cops still working?
55:54
Yeah.
And it I agree with you, they're.
55:57
Retired from the payoff they got.
From that's.
55:59
True.
No, they're working for the pharmaceutical company now.
56:03
Yeah, Yeah.
Security.
56:05
Exactly.
How would you like to retire right now?
56:07
Mr. So here's another one that they use it as a means to justify things.
Personally, I don't think it is.
56:15
But she had a fractured hyoid bone.
And no, Lance, that's not what you took.
56:20
Wins virginity.
That's not that one.
56:22
Yeah.
I agree to disagree on that one.
56:25
She told me, she told me so no.
So the hyoid bone is a bone in the neck, the upper part of the neck.
56:34
And you guys have heard of it?
I know because in its anterior.
56:38
The Epstein.
Well, yes, yes, absolutely.
56:41
Because that bone, when it's broken, it generally represents manual strangulation.
So you hear it a lot in strangulation cases, that hyoid bone being broken.
56:52
I thought it was extreme trauma to the neck.
Well.
56:55
From a class it is generally by.
Strangulation now from the frontal force of your hands or thumbs up against her, where a rope goes
57:06
up and decapitates you.
You're crushing that and it's an easier bone crush.
57:11
So, but I did some reading and it does turn out that you do get fractured hyoid bones from from
hangings.
57:21
It's just not as frequent as with strangulation.
So it's not to me.
57:27
Like I said, it's kind of neither here nor there.
Yeah, OK.
57:30
It's speculation.
Yeah, right.
57:32
Correct.
So you talked about the knife Lance.
57:35
Those were the knives.
She had two knives there, and those are the knives that either her or Adam used to cut that rope.
57:42
And so one of those knives had.
He he brought her back up.
57:49
He didn't cut her down, I get.
Well, no, I guess.
57:51
No, he cut her down.
OK, because those knives are in the bedroom, but yet?
57:59
Yeah, he, he when he ran in, he grabbed a knife to cut her down.
He ran in to call 911.
58:05
OK, yeah, yeah.
OK.
58:06
So the knives they found up there were the ones used to cut that rope.
Yeah, but why?
58:11
What Kenny's saying is you'd have to be down on the 1st floor to cut her down.
Because you got a table stand.
58:19
He stood on it, cut her down, and then you put the knife back.
Up.
58:22
No, no, no, no.
That was a different knife.
58:25
He had grabbed that knife to cut her down when he ran inside.
My bad.
58:28
OK, OK.
So on that knife, on all four sides of the handle were Rebecca's menstrual blood.
58:37
So they the family believes that she was assaulted with the butt of the knife.
There was also blood markings on her inner thigh that they say, the family experts say fits the size
58:52
of the head or the butt of that knife, the handle of that knife, this guy.
So I feel about that again.
59:03
Here's the thing I I get to the what's weird about it?
Take away who put what where.
59:09
The simple fact is, if it was her loan and she's on her period, I know no woman that would be OK
just sitting there bleeding on things.
59:20
No, regardless of anything.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
59:24
That is so weird to me.
So we'll I'll leave that with that for now.
59:28
So.
This needs This case needs to get opened back up.
59:32
So.
I'm being serious.
59:34
This is We'll keep.
Going so ridiculous, Rebecca also had black paint markings on her breasts and kind of like around
59:42
her nipple area that appeared to be transferred from fingers.
There was no prints, but Rebecca had no paint on her fingers.
59:53
So the family's saying, how the hell did the paint get onto her breast when she's got no paint on
her fingers?
1:00:01
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So in the thought process again is sexual assault.
1:00:05
If it wasn't from a brush brushing on her breast.
Correct.
1:00:09
OK.
Correct.
1:00:11
So Rebecca's phone was accessed by the Police Department.
She was found to have been talking and texting with her older sister from about 8:00 to 10:00 at
1:00:22
night.
A few hours later, like we know, at 12:50, she checked her voicemail, listened to the above
1:00:28
mentioned message.
The time of death is estimated at about 3:00 AM.
1:00:33
So we're looking at from 1:00 to 3:00, right?
Something else that's noted by neighbors is that they say they can't tell you exactly the time, but
1:00:45
sometime early, early in the morning, there was loud music blaring and we both had thought they must
be having a party over there or something.
1:00:54
And so as we know, obviously there was no party happening at that house and there was no one
celebrating.
1:01:02
So in my mind, I think if someone's going to put on loud music, they put it.
They put it to cover up some screams or something.
1:01:10
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Yeah, obviously, again, circumstantial evidence, right?
1:01:15
It's not anything you can necessarily put a man in jail for, but but that happened.
So, believe it or not, the case was looked at multiple times and by even a different jurisdiction
1:01:27
and determined to be suicide.
Oh my God.
1:01:32
Yeah, members of the Zahau family filed a civil lawsuit for 12.2 million in April of 2018.
They were actually.
1:01:42
They won the civil suit against Adam Shakhnai and were awarded 5.2 million.
Now remember, those civil lawsuits only have to be a 51% better chance that he did it then he
1:01:56
didn't, right?
It's a lot.
1:01:58
Different.
It's not an admission of guilt or anything like that.
1:02:00
Like no, he won't go to jail, but he has to pay the money.
Right.
1:02:04
Well, he's responsible for it right there, that's what.
They believe he's responsible for the that death, correct?
1:02:10
51% more than likely.
They think he.
1:02:12
Was.
That's insane.
1:02:13
No get this though Shack Knife Adam filed an appeal in February of 2019 prior to the trial.
The judge does the how family and Adam Schackner's insurance company agreed to a settlement of
1:02:30
$600,000 and the case being dismissed with prejudice, obviously vacating the $5.2 million judgment.
Basically, it sounds to me like the insurance companies got with the family.
1:02:42
The judge probably said, hey, look, the chances you win this again are probably slim and you might
walk out of here with nothing.
1:02:49
So you might want to take that 600,000 they're offering you and settle this thing.
No, wait, did they get the 5 million?
1:02:54
No, because it got appealed.
This was in the appeal.
1:02:57
Process.
Oh my God.
1:02:58
Yeah, so they got 600,000.
So they asked for 15 and.
1:03:02
Settled for.
Three, it got appealed and got 600 correct.
1:03:08
I would have told him he packs and eats shit.
I would have taken to the Supreme Court if I had to.
1:03:11
I would drag all that mother lover so.
Right through the mud.
1:03:14
Well, so here's here's the kicker, right?
I agree with you guys that at a minimum you have to agree this is all fucking fishy.
1:03:23
That being said, they have no proof whatsoever that he did kill her.
They don't have Prince, they don't have blood, they don't have DNA, they don't have a a witness,
1:03:35
they don't have shit.
But they have a body.
1:03:38
Yeah, but at the very least, you would think you could absolve your daughter's, like, dignity and
say it's at least, at the very least, it was not a suicide, It's a murder.
1:03:46
We just can't prove who murdered her, right?
I don't know.
1:03:50
That's just my opinion.
Well, look man, I I would say you have enough circumstantial evidence to at least go to court and
1:04:02
say, hey man, like you, all you have to do is prove.
Beyond a shadow of a.
1:04:07
Doubt.
Well, yeah, man, the guy's a tugboat captain.
1:04:12
Like, hold on.
Actually, I take that back because there's a lot of things in cases that can't be disclosed.
1:04:18
The only one in the house, dude.
But but I mean, look, we, we have all this information.
1:04:23
I don't know if during the court, if they, if the jury knew he was a captain or he had his own
tugboat, right, Like they did.
1:04:29
Oh, they did OK.
Oh, then my case is done.
1:04:32
He did it.
I I I think.
1:04:33
I think that's completely irrelevant.
The fact that anyone can know how to tie knots, right?
1:04:39
That's not really a big deal.
The the biggest thing to me is why would she do it the way she did it?
1:04:45
And one, why would she even do it if she was not suicidal before?
She didn't mention all this.
1:04:50
Yeah, I'm sure women want kids to some degree at some point in their life, but that doesn't make any
sense that you would bound you'd find your hands behind your back and your legs and then throw
1:05:01
yourself.
None of that shit makes any sense.
1:05:04
And she was the only one in the house who knew how to.
Now here's the one thing a couple things I would tell you in in at least playing devil's advocate
1:05:11
right is if you're a murderer.
On the other hand, why the fuck would you make it look like you murdered someone?
1:05:18
Exactly, but that's.
OK, so why would he?
1:05:21
Why would he not?
If he wanted to get away with it, why would he make it look like someone killed her?
1:05:26
Why wouldn't he have just?
Maybe just strangled her and like.
1:05:31
Hung her.
He could have hung her regular.
1:05:33
Yeah, yeah.
Like like I said, like in the beginning of this like only two of my feet hanging hangings.
1:05:41
I've been on a ton of hangings and they're typically always from like the the door frame, the
closet, and at any point in time they could have just stood up and they would, they would they would
1:05:52
be alive.
That seems more plausible to me if she were to and I'm not trying to get any ideas.
1:06:00
OK, 'cause I've thought of them, but no, I what I mean is like it clear to me this clearly it was
not a suicide.
1:06:07
And I think that's the biggest piece of evidence you can have is that this is, if this is anything,
it's not a suicide.
1:06:13
Now do you think the cops deemed as suicide because they have all this evidence and putting him
aside is saying, OK, we think it's him, but then maybe it could have been some crazy person here's.
1:06:27
My bet, I will bet you money they called it suicide because at the end of the day that's the only
thing they truly have evidence to prove.
1:06:36
But I'll bet you if you talk to those cops separately having a drink with them at a bar, they'll go.
Dude, we know he killed her, we just can't prove it.
1:06:45
That's my guess.
Yeah, no, my guess is they're retired because they got paid $10 million each to shut up and not do
1:06:53
their job.
Well, I don't think, I don't think the husband really had anything to do with it though.
1:06:58
You know, I, I, I mean, paying enough.
I mean, maybe on the aspect of like, well, it's my son.
1:07:02
I got to help him out.
I don't want, I'm losing another one over here.
1:07:06
So I'll, you know, make sure he's good.
But yeah, I, I think the guy did it.
1:07:10
I'm sorry like.
It's.
1:07:13
And that's sad that the I guess justice is blind so never.
It's man.
1:07:19
Well, I'm kind of kind of bummed that we didn't come to a conclusion.
I I want some answers.
1:07:23
Dan, you want to finish, don't you?
I want them to reopen.
1:07:25
This case you got blue brain.
I got blue.
1:07:28
Brain.
Yeah, you haven't got blue.
1:07:30
Brain, he's edging us.
OK, well.
1:07:34
All right, so fellas.
Hey, another great one.
1:07:36
I wish I could tell you who did it.
Lance and Kenny just did though, and I think we.
1:07:41
Did.
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That's all we have for you tonight at 72 House.
1:08:15
Kenny, get the fucking.
Dishes.
1:08:18
Oh man, I'll clean up.

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