WEBVTT 00:00:03.899 --> 00:00:04.959 Well, G'day everyone. 00:00:05.009 --> 00:00:09.599 Uh, it is a real privilege to come back to the Canterbury Gardens Community Church Podcast. 00:00:09.650 --> 00:00:11.009 That is a mouthful. 00:00:11.500 --> 00:00:18.730 In 2025, if you have somehow come across this because you're looking for a gardening show or something, really apologize. 00:00:18.730 --> 00:00:19.429 That's not what we're about. 00:00:20.550 --> 00:00:21.839 But, uh, my name is Shabu. 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:25.500 I have the privilege to serve as one of the pastors at Canterbury Gardens. 00:00:25.949 --> 00:00:28.179 A church in the outer east in Melbourne. 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:33.880 Our prayer is to be a church that continues to grow in the truth of who Jesus is and his good news. 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:40.479 And this good news is just not a one time message, but we believe this gospel changes all areas of our lives. 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:48.799 And so part of our time of both sharing our sermon series, last year we were sharing some stories and hearing from people who call Canterbury home. 00:00:48.820 --> 00:00:49.750 And today. 00:00:49.895 --> 00:00:55.524 Uh, I have the world famous, Oh, gee, sorry, everyone to disappoint you. 00:00:58.204 --> 00:00:58.524 Come on, man. 00:00:58.895 --> 00:00:59.134 All right. 00:00:59.164 --> 00:01:00.795 Let me call it the classic oversell. 00:01:02.674 --> 00:01:03.585 I just want to welcome. 00:01:03.685 --> 00:01:04.855 Hey, Robbie, how are you? 00:01:04.935 --> 00:01:05.965 Oh, very well, mate. 00:01:05.965 --> 00:01:06.525 And yourself? 00:01:06.594 --> 00:01:07.105 I'm good. 00:01:07.174 --> 00:01:07.504 I'm good. 00:01:07.525 --> 00:01:10.745 I feel like, I feel like there's, I think, I feel like we could do a show one day. 00:01:10.805 --> 00:01:15.215 Uh, show one day, I feel like a vibe is coming where you, okay, let's do it now. 00:01:15.215 --> 00:01:15.545 We're here. 00:01:15.965 --> 00:01:16.165 Yeah. 00:01:16.204 --> 00:01:16.674 We're here. 00:01:16.805 --> 00:01:17.075 We're here. 00:01:17.075 --> 00:01:17.584 It's happening. 00:01:17.594 --> 00:01:18.234 It's happening. 00:01:19.234 --> 00:01:21.034 So, um, thank you for having me by the way. 00:01:21.355 --> 00:01:21.754 Pleasure. 00:01:21.935 --> 00:01:22.314 Pleasure. 00:01:22.355 --> 00:01:26.965 It's, I'm real glad that you, thankful that you said that you were willing to do this. 00:01:26.965 --> 00:01:30.745 Um, also a big thanks to your wife, Joe, who's looking after the kids. 00:01:30.915 --> 00:01:31.935 So you can come out and do this. 00:01:32.295 --> 00:01:33.555 Well, I think everyone's gone to sleep. 00:01:33.555 --> 00:01:35.454 So that's bored us about 10 minutes. 00:01:35.564 --> 00:01:35.855 Okay. 00:01:35.864 --> 00:01:37.525 So that's as long as it'll take, won't it? 00:01:37.575 --> 00:01:38.209 Yeah, yeah. 00:01:38.370 --> 00:01:38.549 Yeah. 00:01:38.590 --> 00:01:38.790 Totally. 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:39.799 It's up to you really. 00:01:39.909 --> 00:01:42.530 Like if you keep going off on tangents, we might see how we go. 00:01:42.530 --> 00:01:43.760 I'm up to. 00:01:44.659 --> 00:01:47.099 So mate, tell me a little bit about yourself. 00:01:47.099 --> 00:01:53.310 Well, I know who you are obviously, but, um, tell us a little bit about who you are, your family, who are you during the week? 00:01:54.459 --> 00:01:58.200 Uh, so well, yeah, you've introduced me and my name's Rob. 00:01:58.670 --> 00:02:10.000 Uh, I have a lovely, beautiful wife named Joanna and three amazing kids, although sometimes they might not be amazing, but that's any parent will tell you that, that, what age group are they in? 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:10.300 Reminds me. 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:16.590 So, um, eldest daughter's Phoebe, she'll be five in a couple of days, I think. 00:02:16.590 --> 00:02:16.800 Yeah. 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:17.219 Yeah. 00:02:17.780 --> 00:02:19.530 Um, and I have Lucy. 00:02:19.550 --> 00:02:25.509 Uh, second child and she's going to be four in September later this year. 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:32.199 And Jimmy, he's going to be two next month, next month. 00:02:32.229 --> 00:02:32.490 Yeah. 00:02:32.849 --> 00:02:33.129 Yeah. 00:02:33.129 --> 00:02:34.860 So they're all pretty close together. 00:02:35.909 --> 00:02:38.199 And how, how long have you and Joe been married? 00:02:38.979 --> 00:02:41.110 Uh, I can't remember the years. 00:02:41.139 --> 00:02:43.099 I can give you the, Oh, whoops. 00:02:43.789 --> 00:02:44.629 Can I, can I give you the date? 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.729 Oh, it was, uh, 2016. 00:02:47.784 --> 00:02:49.865 Uh, November. 00:02:50.544 --> 00:02:51.514 Should I edit this later? 00:02:51.514 --> 00:02:52.294 Was it 19? 00:02:52.294 --> 00:02:52.944 No, no, no. 00:02:52.985 --> 00:02:54.965 Cause Joel will go, Oh yeah, he can't remember anything. 00:02:54.965 --> 00:02:55.824 So yeah, that's fine. 00:02:55.965 --> 00:02:56.224 Okay. 00:02:56.324 --> 00:02:58.344 Um, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was November 19th. 00:02:58.485 --> 00:02:58.784 Okay. 00:02:59.025 --> 00:02:59.544 Don't worry. 00:02:59.754 --> 00:03:00.025 Okay. 00:03:00.284 --> 00:03:00.574 Yeah. 00:03:00.655 --> 00:03:00.905 So. 00:03:01.085 --> 00:03:03.305 So November 19th at some point you got married. 00:03:03.414 --> 00:03:05.465 November 19th. 00:03:05.465 --> 00:03:05.490 Yeah. 00:03:05.490 --> 00:03:05.514 2016. 00:03:05.514 --> 00:03:05.854 There you go. 00:03:05.995 --> 00:03:06.245 Cool. 00:03:06.715 --> 00:03:07.245 Yeah. 00:03:07.594 --> 00:03:11.805 So during the week, uh, we, those who call Canterbury home, we might see you up the front. 00:03:11.914 --> 00:03:12.354 Uh. 00:03:12.990 --> 00:03:23.620 Uh, smashing a guitar, not literally, but playing, uh, songs to Jesus and yeah, I think if I smashed it, there'd be a bit of a problem, probably, I'd probably be brought in for discipline reactions or something like that. 00:03:23.620 --> 00:03:29.870 Um, uh, and then I've seen those cool pedals you have at the front, so you obviously can do music. 00:03:30.419 --> 00:03:33.560 Oh, no, no, they, they make it, make me sound like I can do music. 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:33.969 There you go. 00:03:34.259 --> 00:03:34.629 That's what it is. 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:35.370 It's all the tricks. 00:03:35.370 --> 00:03:35.599 Yeah. 00:03:35.659 --> 00:03:35.900 Yeah. 00:03:35.900 --> 00:03:36.139 There you go. 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:39.201 It's like AI or something. 00:03:39.201 --> 00:03:42.430 So tell me about, um, who are you during the week? 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.150 Obviously husband, dad. 00:03:44.219 --> 00:03:44.439 Yep. 00:03:44.699 --> 00:03:45.870 Husband, dad during the week. 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:53.780 Um, I work for an engineering company in Kilsyth and we make bespoke, that's a fancy word for just. 00:03:54.300 --> 00:04:00.879 Custom made, not, not for any manufacturer, but we make, uh, gearboxes, manual transmissions strictly for race cars. 00:04:00.930 --> 00:04:01.569 Oh, cool. 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.180 Yeah. 00:04:02.210 --> 00:04:04.949 So does that go up to, was it 12 years or more? 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:08.020 Um, nah, that'd be like a semi trailer or trucks. 00:04:08.030 --> 00:04:08.840 They go about that high. 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:09.490 No, we're sorry. 00:04:09.490 --> 00:04:11.159 We only go as high as six. 00:04:11.219 --> 00:04:11.460 Yeah. 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:11.719 Six years. 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.219 I know about this. 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:18.350 No, I'm here to educate you if you want to know, but I'm sure we're not going to use this podcast to do that. 00:04:18.379 --> 00:04:19.430 No, we're not going to talk about. 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:20.779 You know, that kind of stuff. 00:04:21.189 --> 00:04:22.329 So that's what you do during the week. 00:04:22.329 --> 00:04:24.040 So you, do you design them or do you? 00:04:24.050 --> 00:04:26.860 Nah, so all the smart, all the smart cats, they do all that. 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:28.990 And I'm just the, uh, I'm just the bolty. 00:04:29.100 --> 00:04:30.089 I just bolt them together. 00:04:30.209 --> 00:04:30.480 Okay. 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.370 What's the coolest car that you feel like you've worked on? 00:04:34.339 --> 00:04:35.750 Oh, the coolest car. 00:04:38.610 --> 00:04:41.810 I've done some work on a Lamborghini before. 00:04:41.810 --> 00:04:42.490 Okay. 00:04:43.939 --> 00:04:45.699 I've got to like actually drive a few of them. 00:04:45.699 --> 00:04:46.110 That's pretty good. 00:04:46.110 --> 00:04:56.240 I've driven heaps of Audis and BMWs, M, M series Beamers and Audi R8s, um, old Corvettes from like the sixties. 00:04:56.379 --> 00:04:57.790 I was lucky enough to drive one of them. 00:04:58.089 --> 00:05:05.949 I nearly got a chance to drive, um, a Ferrari that was worth like a million dollars, but then they said, Oh, we need someone to drive it onto a truck. 00:05:06.069 --> 00:05:09.389 And I thought, nah, I just don't want that on my conscience if something goes wrong. 00:05:09.389 --> 00:05:10.290 So I backed out of it. 00:05:10.404 --> 00:05:12.125 Um, but yeah, Oh, fun. 00:05:12.264 --> 00:05:12.754 Hmm. 00:05:13.014 --> 00:05:13.904 That's a cool thing to do. 00:05:14.185 --> 00:05:16.975 Uh, obviously you're a little bit into cars is what I know. 00:05:16.975 --> 00:05:19.055 Are you a Ford or a Holden man? 00:05:20.095 --> 00:05:29.464 Oh, well, I think we, we do, I do come from a Holden family cause my dad, you know, he loved Peter Brock and he bought like the Brock road cars and everything. 00:05:29.464 --> 00:05:31.384 And that's sort of where I got my. 00:05:31.464 --> 00:05:49.040 Yeah, education from, was from him getting into it, but yeah, as the year sort of went on, I'll go and like, Oh, I floated between two of them, I don't know, I'm just always happy to see like someone make a really good product or make something that was really cool and I wasn't biased to hold an all forward, I was quite happy to go. 00:05:49.290 --> 00:05:50.000 Either which way. 00:05:50.250 --> 00:05:50.529 Okay. 00:05:50.769 --> 00:05:52.129 Some people are pretty passionate about it. 00:05:52.170 --> 00:05:53.500 They get pretty uptight. 00:05:53.500 --> 00:05:54.980 Do you drive a Hyundai? 00:05:54.980 --> 00:05:55.870 I can't. 00:05:56.100 --> 00:05:56.579 Oh, the Kia. 00:05:56.589 --> 00:05:56.740 Yeah. 00:05:56.819 --> 00:05:57.209 Yeah. 00:05:58.079 --> 00:05:58.110 Kia. 00:05:58.529 --> 00:05:59.110 Not even close. 00:05:59.149 --> 00:06:00.060 Korea all the way. 00:06:00.100 --> 00:06:00.389 Yeah. 00:06:00.389 --> 00:06:03.209 Not even, not even Aussie. 00:06:04.779 --> 00:06:07.560 Well, on that note, um, so tell us. 00:06:08.004 --> 00:06:18.555 Um, what I'd love to hear, we obviously know a little bit more of your story, but, um, did you grow up in a faith believing family, a Jesus family, like who believed in the gospel and who is God? 00:06:19.264 --> 00:06:23.404 Yeah, so my, my background is, um, Jehovah's witness. 00:06:23.464 --> 00:06:31.144 So my grandparents, both sides, mum, mum and dad's parents, they come from a Jehovah's witness background. 00:06:32.389 --> 00:06:36.240 Um, yeah, so I grew up in that with, um, with mum and dad. 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:37.629 So that's what I was born into. 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:43.730 We were Jehovah's witnesses and did all the things that everyone knows about. 00:06:44.220 --> 00:06:55.430 Well, I was just going to ask if, if there was someone who has no idea what, um, Jehovah's witnesses or some people call them JWs, um, what's the key thing or what's the key difference? 00:06:55.470 --> 00:06:57.040 I'm sure there's probably lots of things. 00:06:57.060 --> 00:06:58.990 Are there things that you could kind of synchronize? 00:06:59.944 --> 00:07:00.404 Yeah. 00:07:00.404 --> 00:07:15.935 So big thing is, is at Canterbury, we go to church on Sunday, so we go in the morning, um, with the Jehovah's witnesses, it was, you go to the kingdom hall and you, it's not a, I think it was called a service or it was not a meeting. 00:07:15.944 --> 00:07:17.055 Meetings is what we call them. 00:07:17.855 --> 00:07:22.314 So you would have the meeting, but that was on Sunday, Sunday mornings or Sunday evenings. 00:07:23.110 --> 00:07:26.259 Um, you'd also go again on the Tuesday evenings. 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:31.420 I was just reminiscing with my mom about this the other day'cause I was trying to remember some of the stuff that we did. 00:07:31.420 --> 00:07:36.370 But yeah, so basically every second day you're doing something there with really with the witnesses. 00:07:36.370 --> 00:07:38.290 And then Thursdays is a Bible study. 00:07:38.379 --> 00:07:38.740 Okay. 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:47.589 And I'm pretty sure, sorry we couldn't really quite remember, but it was every second Saturday we'd go as everyone knows the ah, the door knocking. 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:47.709 Yeah. 00:07:47.709 --> 00:07:48.519 We'd do the door knocking. 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:49.300 We'd do the witnessing. 00:07:49.389 --> 00:07:49.569 Yeah. 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:51.689 Probably a bit more of a challenge these days. 00:07:51.699 --> 00:07:58.120 So I've had Jehovah's Witnesses come, wonderful people to talk to and talk about the differences of who Jesus is. 00:07:58.709 --> 00:08:09.259 So for your own journey, um, was that a bit of a time where you started to wrestle with, obviously growing up with the faith of J dubs and then something changing? 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.089 Yeah, it was, it's kind of an interesting thing. 00:08:15.620 --> 00:08:19.389 It was as a kid, I was growing up in the Witnesses cause my mum eventually left. 00:08:19.569 --> 00:08:22.889 So my mum and dad got divorced when I was about five. 00:08:22.889 --> 00:08:29.519 So I've got very little memories of going as a family, but I remember going to the meetings and going witnessing with mum. 00:08:29.990 --> 00:08:35.860 That was my biggest thing was, oh, but it was strange because we were like the only family that didn't have a dad. 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:37.169 It was, yeah, it's quite. 00:08:37.169 --> 00:08:39.539 So your mum, your mum stayed in JWs? 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:40.940 So mum stayed in the Witnesses. 00:08:40.950 --> 00:08:41.679 So yeah. 00:08:42.889 --> 00:08:44.120 And then she left. 00:08:44.565 --> 00:08:57.804 When I was, I must've been 12 or 13, I think, but up until that point, like, I absolutely hated it. 00:08:57.875 --> 00:08:58.304 Really? 00:08:58.384 --> 00:08:58.674 Okay. 00:08:58.705 --> 00:08:58.914 Why? 00:08:58.945 --> 00:09:00.875 Oh, cause you had to sit in a meeting. 00:09:00.955 --> 00:09:03.605 Like as a kid, you've got to sit there for two hours and I don't know. 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:06.269 There's lots of kids that are really good. 00:09:06.620 --> 00:09:08.620 I was really bad at doing it. 00:09:08.990 --> 00:09:16.110 So I got to, I probably have a bit of sympathy for my children because in church, not saying it's bad, but it's difficult. 00:09:16.129 --> 00:09:20.519 It's difficult for young kids, especially if you're trying to get them to sit still for that long. 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:22.919 And that's where it's great now with church. 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.470 We've got kids programs. 00:09:24.629 --> 00:09:25.720 The kids can go off and do that. 00:09:25.730 --> 00:09:26.879 They still learn about Jesus. 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.549 They're still learning about the gospel, which is good. 00:09:28.549 --> 00:09:36.960 But with the witnesses, it was really challenging probably for a lot of parents because they go, Oh, well, our children sit in there for the meeting for two hours. 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:39.240 So they couldn't leave that. 00:09:39.250 --> 00:09:40.309 There was no separate program. 00:09:40.330 --> 00:09:47.840 There was a, you know, the cry room or whatever they like to call it back then where you could take a screaming baby, but not a screaming, you know, 10 year old. 00:09:48.269 --> 00:09:48.629 Okay. 00:09:48.940 --> 00:09:50.620 So you didn't enjoy that at all? 00:09:50.649 --> 00:09:52.059 No, it was horrible. 00:09:52.210 --> 00:09:54.100 My, my, my experience of. 00:09:54.475 --> 00:09:59.134 Yeah, like, yeah, my whole experience of that was, I don't like this. 00:09:59.164 --> 00:10:02.235 If I had a choice, I would never come here during the week. 00:10:02.335 --> 00:10:03.804 I would stay at home, watch TV. 00:10:04.024 --> 00:10:05.105 I would do something else. 00:10:05.485 --> 00:10:07.605 I'd use my Saturdays. 00:10:07.634 --> 00:10:07.934 Yeah. 00:10:07.934 --> 00:10:12.065 So it was really hard and it was hard for my mum because looking back, I felt really bad. 00:10:12.065 --> 00:10:12.335 I thought. 00:10:13.034 --> 00:10:19.975 Here's a parent who's very convicted about, we need to be doing this because this is part of the belief system is no, no. 00:10:20.154 --> 00:10:22.095 We have to be going every Sunday. 00:10:22.095 --> 00:10:23.524 We have to be going every Tuesday. 00:10:23.524 --> 00:10:24.695 We have to go to the Bible studies. 00:10:24.934 --> 00:10:26.215 We have to go witnessing. 00:10:26.245 --> 00:10:26.504 Yeah. 00:10:26.605 --> 00:10:28.575 Oh, mate, don't get me started about the witnessing. 00:10:28.585 --> 00:10:36.434 My goodness, as a kid, my incentive was, oh, if we can get to the end of door knocking and witnessing and talk to people, all right, we're going to go for Hungry Jacks. 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:37.179 Right. 00:10:37.190 --> 00:10:39.009 That was the big selling point for me on the weekends. 00:10:39.009 --> 00:10:42.980 Cause I remember I'd carry on and say to mom, no, I don't want to go looking back. 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:45.740 It's, you know, as a parent, you know, you get a taste of your own medicine. 00:10:45.740 --> 00:10:47.039 Cause you go, right, kids, come on. 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:47.919 We got to go to church now. 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:49.490 Oh, but I can't find my shoes. 00:10:49.490 --> 00:10:50.330 I can't find my sock. 00:10:50.529 --> 00:10:50.830 Come on. 00:10:50.860 --> 00:10:51.620 Just, we got to go. 00:10:51.850 --> 00:10:52.700 Why do we have to go? 00:10:52.779 --> 00:10:53.659 Cause it's important. 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:53.929 Yeah. 00:10:53.970 --> 00:10:54.940 Why is it so important? 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:57.059 Why are you yelling at me? 00:10:57.059 --> 00:10:58.769 So, but I felt bad for mom. 00:10:58.769 --> 00:11:03.279 Cause I remember my, I remember my sister and I probably made it difficult for her because we didn't want to do it. 00:11:03.289 --> 00:11:04.950 My sister's a bit more older and mature. 00:11:05.289 --> 00:11:06.259 So she was happy. 00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:12.590 To comply and go, okay, but we both were like, Oh, it's hot, stinking hot Queensland sun. 00:11:13.029 --> 00:11:13.779 So you grew up in Queensland. 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:14.419 Yeah. 00:11:14.419 --> 00:11:17.629 And you have to wear like the shirt and the tie and the pants. 00:11:17.629 --> 00:11:19.480 There's no casual, casual shorts. 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:20.750 No casual shorts. 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.490 Nah, I look like I come from the beach. 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:22.789 Yeah. 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:25.720 Yeah. 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:26.169 Okay. 00:11:26.169 --> 00:11:33.279 And so, I mean, growing up in that, obviously as a single mom, she's trying her best to raise the kids up in the faith for her. 00:11:34.049 --> 00:11:43.625 Um, And was that like most kids with any kind of faith background, perhaps it's kind of given to them or shoved down their throat in some sense? 00:11:44.115 --> 00:11:47.345 Was there a point where you were like, this is not for me? 00:11:47.404 --> 00:11:50.284 Or did you sort of, like, how does it work? 00:11:50.284 --> 00:11:50.845 Like, yeah. 00:11:50.894 --> 00:11:55.975 It's, well, I got excited because I remember mum, well, she'd, she'd remarried by this stage. 00:11:55.975 --> 00:12:02.044 So I have a stepfather and, um, they'd both talked about it and they'd come to the decision. 00:12:02.044 --> 00:12:04.195 They said, yeah, we're actually not going to go. 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:05.460 Wow. 00:12:05.470 --> 00:12:06.389 Be witnesses anymore. 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:13.200 And I remember we, we got told, my sister and I, and they said, yeah, guys, we're not going to be going to the kingdom hall anymore. 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:14.649 We're not going to be going witnessing. 00:12:15.945 --> 00:12:18.235 And I remember feeling guilty. 00:12:18.235 --> 00:12:21.075 I thought, Oh no, I've, I've pushed them to the edge. 00:12:21.085 --> 00:12:22.825 They don't want to, it's too hard. 00:12:22.825 --> 00:12:24.524 I've broken them. 00:12:25.294 --> 00:12:31.215 And then I started to feel guilty because you're told no, no, this, this is what makes Jehovah happy. 00:12:31.404 --> 00:12:32.465 You need to make Jehovah happy. 00:12:32.475 --> 00:12:33.764 You need to go witnessing. 00:12:33.764 --> 00:12:36.315 You need to make Jehovah God happy by doing this. 00:12:36.654 --> 00:12:38.914 And I thought, if we're not going to do this, isn't it? 00:12:38.965 --> 00:12:42.644 As a kid, I felt if we're not going to do this, I'm going to hell. 00:12:43.174 --> 00:12:45.904 And then I said, no, I'll be good. 00:12:45.904 --> 00:12:47.654 I said, I'll be good. 00:12:47.674 --> 00:12:48.014 I'll go. 00:12:48.054 --> 00:12:49.284 I won't complain anymore. 00:12:49.465 --> 00:12:50.514 I'll just draw in my book. 00:12:50.544 --> 00:12:51.835 I won't whinge. 00:12:51.835 --> 00:12:52.615 I won't carry on. 00:12:52.965 --> 00:12:53.654 I promise. 00:12:53.695 --> 00:12:54.054 I'm sorry. 00:12:54.115 --> 00:12:56.345 Cause I started to feel convicted about it. 00:12:57.195 --> 00:13:00.965 But then as the parents, they said, no, no, it's fine. 00:13:00.995 --> 00:13:01.455 It's okay. 00:13:01.504 --> 00:13:02.434 We don't have to go. 00:13:03.384 --> 00:13:04.315 Then I think it sunk in. 00:13:04.315 --> 00:13:06.264 I'm going, oh, you ripper. 00:13:06.355 --> 00:13:06.595 Okay. 00:13:06.595 --> 00:13:07.615 I don't have to go. 00:13:08.095 --> 00:13:10.284 What a weight off the shoulder Yeah. 00:13:10.585 --> 00:13:11.394 Okay. 00:13:11.485 --> 00:13:12.264 And I was happy. 00:13:12.264 --> 00:13:15.235 I was happy then going, oh, we don't have to keep going. 00:13:15.294 --> 00:13:16.914 Yeah, you're not gonna get in trouble. 00:13:16.914 --> 00:13:18.174 In that sense, no. 00:13:18.174 --> 00:13:18.326 But yeah. 00:13:18.326 --> 00:13:22.840 But obviously, and now I can watch all the movies that I wasn't allowed to before, which I don. 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.960 I think this was a great idea, but I think it was this liberation of, Oh, we don't have to do this anymore. 00:13:28.009 --> 00:13:29.730 So if you want to watch that, you can watch that. 00:13:29.750 --> 00:13:33.970 And so I'm saying this as a parent now, Oh no, I don't subscribe to that philosophy. 00:13:33.970 --> 00:13:43.340 I don't think it's a good idea to let young kids just go for it, just go and, you know, just silly things like, Oh, I was never allowed to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the cartoon. 00:13:43.340 --> 00:13:46.340 Um, or He Man for that matter. 00:13:47.179 --> 00:13:48.220 Today we couldn't, yeah. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.240 For some context, there was a sermon today at the Canary, which you might hear a little bit later. 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.325 But, um, One of those same illustrations are regarding He Man. 00:13:55.325 --> 00:13:56.804 So that's what Ruffy's talking about. 00:13:57.044 --> 00:13:59.205 No, I got excited when I saw the clip up there. 00:13:59.205 --> 00:14:00.715 I'm going, I never got to watch that. 00:14:01.524 --> 00:14:04.424 I think every person 40 and probably above. 00:14:04.495 --> 00:14:04.914 Oh yeah. 00:14:04.975 --> 00:14:05.184 Yeah. 00:14:05.184 --> 00:14:06.475 They're all, they're all like you. 00:14:06.475 --> 00:14:07.335 Our demog, oh I don't know. 00:14:07.335 --> 00:14:08.174 You're probably younger than I am. 00:14:08.174 --> 00:14:08.455 My demographic. 00:14:08.815 --> 00:14:08.934 Yeah. 00:14:09.075 --> 00:14:09.304 Yeah. 00:14:09.625 --> 00:14:12.184 Um, so, um, that's amazing. 00:14:12.184 --> 00:14:17.065 Like your, um, mom and your stepdad decided that would have been a big thing for them. 00:14:17.695 --> 00:14:21.804 It was very massive because the ramifications that come with that is. 00:14:23.024 --> 00:14:32.335 Um, all my family are all, uh, Jehovah's witnesses, so I, you know, on my dad's side, he has, he's one of seven and they're all married and they all have children. 00:14:32.394 --> 00:14:32.674 Okay. 00:14:33.365 --> 00:14:38.835 Um, oh actually except for one aunt and aunt, oh sorry, aunt and uncle, they don't have children. 00:14:38.835 --> 00:14:39.115 Sorry. 00:14:39.384 --> 00:14:46.485 But on, um, mum's side, yeah, there's, she had her brother and, or her two brothers and they have children as well. 00:14:46.495 --> 00:14:48.504 So it was very awkward because. 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:56.169 Um, there was the disfellowshipping because it was all mum's disfellowship now because she says she's not going to go, she's broken away now. 00:14:56.169 --> 00:14:58.919 So she's no longer allowed to go into the meetings. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:00.169 But it was a weird thing. 00:15:00.179 --> 00:15:06.090 It was okay for Kate and I, as long as we could go with a relative because we weren't baptized. 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:12.529 So it wasn't, it was a, yeah, we hadn't had the, we hadn't been signed up, I suppose is a way of saying it. 00:15:12.710 --> 00:15:15.100 So that was the difficult part. 00:15:15.460 --> 00:15:18.210 Um, there was other things going on with the family as well. 00:15:18.210 --> 00:15:19.190 There's tensions there. 00:15:19.190 --> 00:15:25.570 So it's sort of, yeah, it's separated like my sister and I from, from our family. 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:36.169 And we didn't see a lot of them or have much to do with them because then it was all of a sudden that, Oh, well, we're not sure if we should be talking to you or not, and I don't blame them. 00:15:36.169 --> 00:15:39.600 Like I, I, and I don't think there was anything, maybe even nothing like that. 00:15:39.610 --> 00:15:45.149 No, as you get older, you just realized that, Oh, look, it's, it's people's convictions and whether they. 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.480 Chose not to, or didn't think about it. 00:15:47.590 --> 00:15:47.779 Yeah. 00:15:47.830 --> 00:15:48.580 Like that's fine. 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:48.919 Yeah. 00:15:48.929 --> 00:15:50.279 It's the end of the day, God's still good. 00:15:50.350 --> 00:15:51.679 He should give us, like, peace. 00:15:51.690 --> 00:15:52.080 That's right. 00:15:52.090 --> 00:16:00.279 And then also for them, they, they have a belief system that, um, and they're clinging onto that and it's a big thing. 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.940 So how old were you when this happened? 00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:03.629 Sorry, remind me. 00:16:03.700 --> 00:16:04.899 I must've been 12. 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:06.809 I just remember, cause I got so excited. 00:16:06.809 --> 00:16:08.419 Cause finally we could buy a Christmas tree. 00:16:08.620 --> 00:16:09.460 Oh, okay. 00:16:09.470 --> 00:16:11.149 And finally I could have a birthday party. 00:16:11.169 --> 00:16:11.759 Yeah, right. 00:16:11.990 --> 00:16:12.330 Yeah. 00:16:12.370 --> 00:16:14.279 So yeah, it's just. 00:16:18.169 --> 00:16:23.679 But these are the things as a kid, cause you go, well, yeah, cause your witnesses, we didn't believe in birthday parties. 00:16:23.730 --> 00:16:24.009 Okay. 00:16:24.370 --> 00:16:25.929 Um, we didn't believe in Christmases. 00:16:25.929 --> 00:16:26.929 Christmases were all. 00:16:28.304 --> 00:16:30.445 Satanic and there was evil things behind that. 00:16:30.465 --> 00:16:33.654 And some even debate that there's maybe some, still some stuff behind that. 00:16:33.725 --> 00:16:35.475 But anyway, that's completely different. 00:16:35.485 --> 00:16:38.164 That's a different, yeah, that's a, yeah, that's another podcast altogether. 00:16:38.455 --> 00:16:42.835 But, um, yeah, so I just got excited cause I could tell kids from school. 00:16:42.865 --> 00:16:44.485 Cause I'd stopped getting invited to stuff. 00:16:44.495 --> 00:16:46.024 Cause they go, Oh, Rob's a witness. 00:16:46.054 --> 00:16:48.125 But we've asked him before, but he always says I can't go. 00:16:48.144 --> 00:16:50.394 So then you just stop getting asked. 00:16:50.455 --> 00:16:52.985 And then all of a sudden you can ask me now, it's fine. 00:16:52.985 --> 00:16:53.565 I can come. 00:16:53.965 --> 00:16:54.855 Oh, you don't like me anyway. 00:16:54.875 --> 00:16:55.815 Oh, I can't come. 00:16:58.705 --> 00:17:00.134 I don't know how people could not like you, Rob. 00:17:00.144 --> 00:17:21.285 But, um, so, um, and so 12 years old, you're a stepdad and your mum, uh, in some sense probably sounds like almost starting a new life and really kind of seeing what it means to be, not being a witness and yeah, what was that journey for you as you moved towards, uh, teenage and young adulthood? 00:17:21.375 --> 00:17:21.744 Yeah. 00:17:21.744 --> 00:17:22.894 So it was. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.950 Um, it was when, oh, sorry, cause a lot's happened. 00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:30.309 I'm just like, there's a lot of stuff and I don't know how much time we've got. 00:17:30.309 --> 00:17:38.900 Why don't you, why don't you focus on what that comes to mind, maybe, um, and what, I guess what you want people to hear in your journey. 00:17:38.900 --> 00:17:48.170 So my mum started feeling convicted because she's, well, she said like, I, I stopped believing in the witnesses, Rob, but I never stopped believing in God. 00:17:48.190 --> 00:17:48.549 Okay. 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:49.220 She says, no. 00:17:51.015 --> 00:17:57.894 It just doesn't, God's character just doesn't make sense how it can just be all about works and there's no real redemption. 00:17:57.904 --> 00:18:02.005 There's no, so she was looking into it and she decided, Oh, you know what? 00:18:02.045 --> 00:18:03.375 I'm going to go to church. 00:18:03.434 --> 00:18:04.714 I'm going to try going to church. 00:18:05.345 --> 00:18:08.525 And I thought like, Oh, that's just ridiculous. 00:18:09.345 --> 00:18:12.424 We were always told that's, you know, it's, it's false doctrine. 00:18:12.424 --> 00:18:13.265 It's false teaching. 00:18:13.265 --> 00:18:13.984 It's not right. 00:18:13.984 --> 00:18:14.384 It's wrong. 00:18:14.404 --> 00:18:14.994 It's wrong. 00:18:16.154 --> 00:18:22.055 And even though I didn't, I wasn't a witness or anything by that stage, you know, she'd started going along and I thought, Oh, it's a bit weird. 00:18:22.515 --> 00:18:23.115 And then. 00:18:23.184 --> 00:18:30.535 Um, my stepdad came on board with a bit later, I think he was a bit reluctant at first, but um, yeah, he started getting in it. 00:18:30.545 --> 00:18:31.375 He came along. 00:18:31.805 --> 00:18:34.404 My sister was very anti from memory. 00:18:34.434 --> 00:18:41.015 She was anti the whole thing and yeah, mum said, Oh, I just come along to some of the young adult services. 00:18:41.015 --> 00:18:41.450 Yeah. 00:18:41.740 --> 00:18:42.650 She's like, Oh, right. 00:18:42.650 --> 00:18:48.640 And, and then she actually started getting into it and she goes, Oh yeah, this, this makes sense. 00:18:48.670 --> 00:18:49.549 Like this is. 00:18:49.779 --> 00:18:50.059 Yeah. 00:18:50.059 --> 00:18:51.490 I can see what's going on here. 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:54.039 And so she started going along to church. 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:55.779 So then there was the black sheep of the family. 00:18:55.859 --> 00:18:56.160 Yeah. 00:18:56.210 --> 00:18:56.460 Yeah. 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:57.690 It was like. 00:18:58.490 --> 00:19:02.509 Oh God, we, we just finally got our Sundays, or not finally, sorry. 00:19:02.509 --> 00:19:05.599 We had had it for a few years, but you could finally watch Teenage Virgin Ninja Turtles. 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:06.859 You could finally, your sundaes. 00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:14.029 I can have your, get your sundaes and, but um, so I didn't want to do it and at the time I, so this is, sorry, painting a bit of context. 00:19:14.059 --> 00:19:14.211 No, it's okay. 00:19:14.211 --> 00:19:15.200 Gimme a bit big picture. 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:15.380 Yeah. 00:19:15.410 --> 00:19:18.619 So I was living with my dad on the Gold Coast. 00:19:18.740 --> 00:19:18.920 Okay. 00:19:19.309 --> 00:19:23.390 And I, I began to miss living back home with mom. 00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:23.690 Okay. 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:26.269 And I wanted to move back home and she said. 00:19:26.619 --> 00:19:29.269 And she said, yes, you can, you can, you can move back. 00:19:29.269 --> 00:19:32.390 Oh, I would have been 15, 16, I think by this point. 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:43.509 And she said, yep, you can come back, but once a month, I would like you to go along to a youth group event and a church service. 00:19:43.509 --> 00:19:44.859 And I thought, I don't know. 00:19:44.859 --> 00:19:45.740 Negotiations. 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:46.619 How old are you? 00:19:46.619 --> 00:19:47.299 Sorry, remind me. 00:19:47.309 --> 00:19:48.500 I would have been 16. 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:48.849 Yeah. 00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:53.630 So when I used to go visit her from dad's, she would always be at church and then ask me if I want to go. 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.460 I was like, nah, I'll stay home and watch TV. 00:19:55.460 --> 00:19:55.829 I'm the kind of guy. 00:19:56.809 --> 00:20:05.200 Um, so I knew she wanted me to come even then and I didn't want to, but then she said, well, look, you can move back, but we all go to church together as a family. 00:20:05.230 --> 00:20:12.940 I'd like you to come along as well, once a month and just try Rob, just try, just go along to youth, see what it's like. 00:20:13.630 --> 00:20:13.799 Just. 00:20:14.450 --> 00:20:15.029 Can you do that? 00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:16.940 All right. 00:20:17.049 --> 00:20:17.400 Okay. 00:20:17.589 --> 00:20:25.450 So I moved back home with mum and then I started going along to church and I didn't like, Oh, what did I keep saying? 00:20:25.450 --> 00:20:27.349 Like, I'm nothing without God. 00:20:27.369 --> 00:20:29.319 I'm, I got really annoyed about it. 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.720 I thought, no, they're just, no, I'm a good person. 00:20:31.730 --> 00:20:32.650 No, that's. 00:20:33.295 --> 00:20:36.545 It's just silly young Rob's just thinking, Oh no, no, they're putting me down. 00:20:36.555 --> 00:20:37.974 They're saying I'm, I'm worthless. 00:20:37.974 --> 00:20:42.684 And, but it's funny cause you know, 40 year old Rob sitting in front of you goes, yes, Rob is worthless. 00:20:42.684 --> 00:20:43.625 He deserves death. 00:20:44.875 --> 00:20:46.265 Like, but how good is it? 00:20:46.265 --> 00:20:47.855 We have Christ, but yeah, it's funny. 00:20:47.855 --> 00:20:51.664 Like that was where it all sort of, I started to have an understanding. 00:20:51.664 --> 00:20:52.210 Oh, okay. 00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:54.015 Like who is God? 00:20:55.210 --> 00:20:55.990 What's his character? 00:20:55.990 --> 00:20:57.730 What does he actually expect of me? 00:20:58.130 --> 00:21:04.880 And a lot of this stuff I probably didn't even learn till later on, but these were the, this was the foundation of, Oh God, save me. 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:11.130 He's, he got me coming in and I met some really, really good friends that I still have now. 00:21:11.130 --> 00:21:14.559 I met them through youth group because I've gone, Oh, wow. 00:21:14.569 --> 00:21:16.130 These guys are actually cool. 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:16.839 What I. 00:21:17.615 --> 00:21:19.515 You know, I was the joker at school. 00:21:19.525 --> 00:21:23.944 Like I did everything cause I couldn't make friends really well, socially awkward. 00:21:23.944 --> 00:21:27.694 And the only way you can make, and I'll still carry those silly traits on now. 00:21:27.694 --> 00:21:28.404 Like I get nervous. 00:21:28.404 --> 00:21:32.355 I make jokes out of things and yeah, but I did that at school and that was my friends. 00:21:32.355 --> 00:21:34.174 They go, Oh, cause Rob's going to do something funny. 00:21:34.174 --> 00:21:35.184 So we'll keep him around. 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.779 But it was nice at youth group because I was like, Oh, great. 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:42.049 I don't have to go jump off the roof of church or anything. 00:21:42.089 --> 00:21:44.690 They just, Oh, I did that at school. 00:21:44.690 --> 00:21:45.109 I got a job. 00:21:45.150 --> 00:21:45.599 Yeah. 00:21:46.289 --> 00:21:46.950 That's another podcast. 00:21:47.009 --> 00:21:52.059 It was just the teachers just sort of shaking their heads and rolling their eyes most of the time, rather than, Oh, you're expelled. 00:21:52.130 --> 00:21:52.450 Anyway. 00:21:52.950 --> 00:22:01.099 Um, yeah, so, yeah, so these people at youth group, um, it sounds like you're hearing and seeing. 00:22:01.625 --> 00:22:08.095 The difference between, uh, a faith that, that describes really works to be accepted by God. 00:22:08.095 --> 00:22:12.994 And then there's this whole thing of perhaps grace and redemption you mentioned. 00:22:13.474 --> 00:22:18.315 There was a pastor, I can't remember his name, but he, it was really, really good. 00:22:18.315 --> 00:22:21.694 Um, saying that he used to say, he goes, look, if you show people the kingdom. 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:23.920 Life, they're gonna wanna know the king. 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:24.460 Mm. 00:22:24.670 --> 00:22:31.930 And I think, well, no, sorry, I don't think, I believe it was, I was starting to see, um, through our little church of Benley, Benley Baptist. 00:22:31.930 --> 00:22:32.140 Okay. 00:22:32.140 --> 00:22:32.740 Back in Queensland. 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:33.490 Saw, shout out. 00:22:33.490 --> 00:22:34.029 Are they still there? 00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:34.990 Oh, sorry. 00:22:35.049 --> 00:22:35.829 Is the church still there? 00:22:35.859 --> 00:22:36.789 Yeah, they're still there. 00:22:36.789 --> 00:22:37.394 Shout out to Benley Baptist. 00:22:37.539 --> 00:22:38.740 Yeah, shout out Benley Baptist. 00:22:38.740 --> 00:22:39.309 Go check it out. 00:22:39.490 --> 00:22:40.900 Okay, I will if I can get back there. 00:22:42.069 --> 00:22:43.480 But um, yeah, like. 00:22:43.644 --> 00:22:48.035 my friends there would say, Oh, do you want to come have lunch around my place? 00:22:48.494 --> 00:22:56.494 And I'd get to go to lunch and sit down with the families there and see how they do life together as a family, pray. 00:22:57.005 --> 00:23:03.144 And you know, one of the dads, he'd have his little booklet of our daily bread and he'd read from it and ask questions. 00:23:03.144 --> 00:23:10.015 And, and it's interesting because like my, my father, he's, yeah, he doesn't believe in God and. 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:12.859 Once he got out of the witnesses, then he was like, Oh, good. 00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:14.240 And finally I'm, I'm done with it. 00:23:14.980 --> 00:23:19.599 Um, and my stepdad came into, and he was learning as he went along as well. 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:21.470 Like he was learning how to be a Christian man. 00:23:21.470 --> 00:23:29.424 And so we're all learning, but we're all getting the, um, seeing, yeah, seeing the kingdom through people in our church and seeing how they love each other and. 00:23:29.424 --> 00:23:35.105 Um, seeing even like when things go wrong with people and even how, how that's handled. 00:23:35.105 --> 00:23:40.805 Cause there was people there that we thought were really good Christians, but then they ended up doing things where you go, Oh dear. 00:23:40.835 --> 00:23:42.464 And families fall apart from that. 00:23:43.105 --> 00:23:53.674 But seeing a church, how they handle it by saying, look, we don't approve of how things have gone down with some people, but God is still good throughout all this. 00:23:53.714 --> 00:23:55.045 And he still loves them. 00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:01.170 And he's always willing to forgive and that's what we should all be willing to do for each other as well is forgive. 00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:08.569 So that was the foundation of like learning or getting to understand like what the, you know, who God is. 00:24:09.430 --> 00:24:10.569 Why did he send Jesus? 00:24:10.630 --> 00:24:11.210 Okay. 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:22.130 And when, and when, when that for you, was there a moment that you're like, okay, there's a distinct difference from what I was brought up with to what I'm seeing now and experiencing as well through people. 00:24:22.609 --> 00:24:23.029 Yeah. 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:24.509 Was there a moment where you're like, right. 00:24:25.244 --> 00:24:30.634 Or was it like a bit of a journey and you, you don't know when, like, what was it for you? 00:24:30.674 --> 00:24:38.154 There's always been moments, but I think going back to when I was 16, when I decided, Oh no, I'm, I'm going to come to church every week. 00:24:39.009 --> 00:24:44.569 was, um, we had a Bible study for the youth on, and they asked, uh, one of the leaders there. 00:24:44.569 --> 00:24:46.740 He said, Oh, Rob, what, what do you want to pray for this week? 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.720 You don't have to, if you don't want to, cause they were sensitive about it, knowing that, Oh, his mum's made him come along. 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:58.109 But they said, Oh, you know, if, if you want to pray about something and yeah, I just said, Oh yeah, let's pray for some stuff. 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:06.200 And then I remember praying and I just started crying and I thought, Oh, wow, this is probably the first time I've actually properly prayed to God. 00:25:07.045 --> 00:25:12.865 And, um, yeah, the, the leader, um, his name was Josh. 00:25:13.355 --> 00:25:13.565 Yeah. 00:25:13.565 --> 00:25:15.904 Josh sat down and he ran through the gospel. 00:25:15.904 --> 00:25:18.035 He says, well, as Christians, this is what we believe. 00:25:18.164 --> 00:25:20.154 We believe that we're born with sin. 00:25:20.595 --> 00:25:27.444 And the only way to make us right with God is to believe in Jesus and believe that God sent him to pay that price to make it right. 00:25:27.575 --> 00:25:30.744 So we believe in him and we're made right with God. 00:25:31.005 --> 00:25:32.394 And then there's no more condemnation. 00:25:32.404 --> 00:25:33.575 There's no more rejection. 00:25:33.865 --> 00:25:34.865 We're now complete again. 00:25:34.924 --> 00:25:36.134 Like the battle's been won. 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:42.990 And I didn't listen to the second part of what he said, which was, it's not going to, it's going to be hard. 00:25:42.990 --> 00:25:45.269 You know, you will have times where there will be storms. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.509 You won't be the best, you won't be able to love God. 00:25:48.509 --> 00:25:50.809 And, but I thought, no, I feel great. 00:25:50.809 --> 00:25:52.880 I'm, you know, I'm, I'm born again, brother. 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.450 Like I'm ready, but yeah, but then it was interesting following that going, Oh yeah. 00:25:57.450 --> 00:25:57.710 Wow. 00:25:57.710 --> 00:26:03.000 It's yeah, there are storms in life when things go up and things go down and. 00:26:04.029 --> 00:26:04.349 Wow. 00:26:05.529 --> 00:26:07.390 That's exciting to hear that. 00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:16.769 And so with that, um, Jenny, so did you sort of decide at some point just to come to Melbourne cause you love the weather? 00:26:16.819 --> 00:26:18.170 Like what? 00:26:19.214 --> 00:26:19.934 How did you know? 00:26:21.634 --> 00:26:22.335 How did you know? 00:26:22.734 --> 00:26:23.474 My goodness. 00:26:25.255 --> 00:26:26.855 Well, someone did warn me before I came here. 00:26:27.085 --> 00:26:29.095 They were like, Oh, you're not going to like winter. 00:26:29.305 --> 00:26:31.765 And I think I arrived here in February and thought, Oh, did you? 00:26:32.234 --> 00:26:32.894 It's not that bad. 00:26:32.984 --> 00:26:34.505 I don't know what you guys are complaining about. 00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:36.579 Um, yeah, this just feels like Queensland. 00:26:36.579 --> 00:26:36.859 No, no. 00:26:36.859 --> 00:26:37.569 Wait till winter. 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:43.670 Cause did you, um, go through a mechanic apprenticeship or something in Queensland? 00:26:43.750 --> 00:26:44.640 So in Queensland. 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:44.839 Yeah. 00:26:44.910 --> 00:26:51.210 And then you moved down for work or like, I'm trying to picture the, Oh, that's why I'm just saying like, I don't know how much time you got. 00:26:51.240 --> 00:27:00.680 There's maybe a snippet is obviously it sounds like God's, um, the grace of God in the gospel is being revealed to you. 00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:01.789 You're growing in it. 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:06.500 Uh, ups and downs, um, various things going on in your own immediate family and other things. 00:27:06.500 --> 00:27:12.359 But what makes a man all of a sudden move towards Victoria? 00:27:15.130 --> 00:27:19.359 So, Oh, well, um, You can, you can put it in as much as you want to. 00:27:19.609 --> 00:27:20.200 Yeah. 00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:20.549 Yeah. 00:27:20.549 --> 00:27:21.539 I'm just trying to think. 00:27:21.589 --> 00:27:30.059 Um, well the, the key, there was probably, there was probably two key things was I wasn't in a good spot. 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.420 With myself in Queensland. 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.309 'cause this is roughly 2010, 2011, I can't remember. 00:27:37.579 --> 00:27:39.680 Mm-hmm Maybe I was 25 or something at the time. 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:44.660 But I struggled with seeing all my friends sort of grow up. 00:27:44.664 --> 00:27:44.724 Okay. 00:27:44.724 --> 00:27:47.450 Like they, they grew up, they all found wives. 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:47.630 Yep. 00:27:47.809 --> 00:27:49.279 They got married, they had children. 00:27:49.460 --> 00:27:49.579 Yep. 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:53.269 And I was just still like Rob. 00:27:54.285 --> 00:27:58.474 living from day to day, just not really sure what he's doing. 00:27:58.474 --> 00:28:10.234 And, and it was difficult cause, um, at the time, like at the time I was in a relationship with a girl and I made all the biggest mistakes. 00:28:10.244 --> 00:28:12.025 So that's why it fell apart. 00:28:12.634 --> 00:28:15.654 Um, and that was probably the hardest because. 00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:35.349 It was the hardest thing, but I think, I believe like that was such a crucial thing for a person who's not very good at learning, which is me, has to learn things the hard way, but I think God's really good and gracious because he goes, I'll allow it to happen because you're a foolish, you're my foolish son, but I'll get you, I'll get you out. 00:28:35.349 --> 00:28:41.180 And he didn't because yeah, that relationship fell apart with a girl. 00:28:42.210 --> 00:28:47.980 Um, so a lot of it was my own, my own fault and yeah, it was just very low at that point. 00:28:47.980 --> 00:29:01.730 Cause I'm thinking, well, my identity is I go to church and how I felt and probably other people would testify this to you, like I, my identity was, yeah, I'm Rob, I have fun all the time. 00:29:01.930 --> 00:29:02.990 I'm always happy. 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.509 I'm never, I'm never sad. 00:29:04.509 --> 00:29:08.069 Um, I'm everyone's friend. 00:29:08.130 --> 00:29:09.779 I play music at church. 00:29:09.809 --> 00:29:10.349 I'm. 00:29:11.454 --> 00:29:13.035 I'm this cool youth leader. 00:29:13.904 --> 00:29:21.224 And when all that was taken away, I was left with going, Oh, well, who am I? 00:29:21.775 --> 00:29:22.345 Good question. 00:29:22.454 --> 00:29:22.704 Yep. 00:29:23.194 --> 00:29:23.605 So. 00:29:25.194 --> 00:29:43.105 I have some really good friends still, or, or they used, they used to work for an organization called Youth Dimension here in Victoria, and a huge, huge part of my relationship or growth as a Christian, I attribute to Youth Dimension and the staff that are there. 00:29:44.414 --> 00:29:47.505 I just look at that as an, it was such a great experience. 00:29:47.515 --> 00:29:53.055 So what happened was I was at the point of going, well, I've got nothing going on for me here in Queensland. 00:29:53.065 --> 00:29:57.805 And there was issues going on with my family that I didn't want to get involved with. 00:29:57.805 --> 00:29:59.394 And I was, felt like I was in the middle of. 00:30:00.329 --> 00:30:09.900 And a really good friend of mine who worked for Youth Dimension said, Hey, you should just come and do the internship here at Youth Dimension. 00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:10.910 I said, mate. 00:30:11.569 --> 00:30:13.359 I'm not even going to church at the moment. 00:30:13.369 --> 00:30:15.700 Like I'm not in a good spot. 00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:23.230 I can't find a pastor to sign my form to allow me to go there, which is part of the deal about doing it. 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:24.730 And he was really good. 00:30:24.730 --> 00:30:33.569 Oh, so he and another, um, lady that was there on staff and, and they said, Oh, look, just, you don't even have to do the internship. 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.009 Just come live here in Melbourne with us and just see how we do. 00:30:37.009 --> 00:30:38.589 See how we do life here. 00:30:39.509 --> 00:30:40.130 And they said, really? 00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:40.910 And they said, really? 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.289 What do you got to lose? 00:30:42.289 --> 00:30:43.619 If you don't like it, you can just go home. 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.799 So I then thought, you know what? 00:30:48.484 --> 00:30:52.984 Yeah, I think I'll just go and by the grace of God, it was really good. 00:30:52.984 --> 00:30:56.365 Cause Rob Coyle, he was running, shout out to Rob. 00:30:56.414 --> 00:30:58.375 Yeah, shout out to Rob, Rob Coyle. 00:30:58.404 --> 00:31:10.775 And for those of you who may not know, if you can look up any kind of history to do with, um, organizations, one of the organizations that have pretty significant impact, uh, with gospel ministry here in Victorian Australia, probably as well. 00:31:11.484 --> 00:31:14.734 Uh, was started by Rob Coyle and Youth Dimension. 00:31:14.734 --> 00:31:15.404 They're still around. 00:31:15.914 --> 00:31:17.505 They are still, yeah, they are still around. 00:31:17.505 --> 00:31:24.825 I don't know a hundred percent about the programs that they run, but the internship that I went to go do was, yeah, it was really good. 00:31:25.375 --> 00:31:25.615 Sorry. 00:31:25.654 --> 00:31:26.775 So back with Rob Coyle. 00:31:27.414 --> 00:31:28.785 Thank you very much, Rob Coyle. 00:31:28.855 --> 00:31:34.134 Um, I didn't have anyone sign my form, but he interviewed me and he said. 00:31:34.714 --> 00:31:35.125 Yeah, sure. 00:31:35.164 --> 00:31:35.545 No worries. 00:31:35.545 --> 00:31:39.045 You can, yeah, you should just come do the course because there's a lot of people here who know you. 00:31:39.045 --> 00:31:44.535 And I don't know if I should, I don't know if that was like special dispensation or something that I got. 00:31:44.535 --> 00:31:46.944 I'm sure there's probably a few changes there, but anyway, keep going. 00:31:47.234 --> 00:31:47.634 So sorry. 00:31:47.734 --> 00:31:47.934 Yeah. 00:31:47.964 --> 00:31:56.994 It, um, and I would, that's probably the second biggest, like there's key moments in my, my walk with God and I go like, and I really need to. 00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:58.940 Um, and then, and again, it's really important to just ponder on it more and think about it. 00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:08.619 Cause it was such a real significant time of going there, doing a course where you've got, um, staff there that we're going through the Bible three days out of the week. 00:32:08.630 --> 00:32:14.539 So three days out of the week we, we were there doing the course, diving into different parts of the Bible, talking about theology. 00:32:15.140 --> 00:32:17.900 But then the great part is, is let's go put it into practice now. 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:21.599 And we would go and run schools programs, which is what I really loved doing back in the day. 00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:23.599 Cause I really liked being a youth leader. 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:32.660 And, um, we'd just go and do schools programs with kids in all these schools and would give talks about the gospel and tell them who Jesus was. 00:32:32.660 --> 00:32:39.630 And I think, wow, like so many, and it's, it was scary too, cause at that time there was the shift coming of. 00:32:40.214 --> 00:32:43.325 getting rid of, um, religious education inside of schools. 00:32:43.365 --> 00:32:46.974 And that breaks my heart because I think that was such an incredible ministry. 00:32:46.974 --> 00:32:47.484 But now. 00:32:48.525 --> 00:32:49.904 Like I said, youth dimensions changed. 00:32:49.904 --> 00:32:50.265 I dunno. 00:32:50.775 --> 00:32:54.734 I know that they still run a lot of their summer missions and, and things that they do through that. 00:32:54.734 --> 00:32:58.265 But yeah, that was the sad part about not having schools programs. 00:32:58.265 --> 00:33:04.734 But that was probably a year where I really learned more about God and understanding more about his character. 00:33:04.734 --> 00:33:11.365 I knew what he did for me, but I understand what does God actually want when people say, oh, I just want to figure out what God's plan for me is. 00:33:11.430 --> 00:33:16.525 Mm-hmm And I realize it's like, well, God's plan for all of us is just to worship him. 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:23.700 Just to worship him, know that you need him, know that you need to live by his word. 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.140 You need to carry out what he's asked you to do. 00:33:27.450 --> 00:33:29.369 Then you're doing it. 00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.950 Like that's, that's the plan. 00:33:30.950 --> 00:33:32.410 That's the plan for everyone. 00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:39.470 It's, and that's what I love talking with people who say like, Oh, they're Christian, people that are Christians, but they say, Oh, I don't know what God's plan is for me. 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.089 And I'd say, worship God. 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.859 That's God's like, that doesn't change for anyone. 00:33:46.295 --> 00:33:52.565 You'll, you'll feel, you'll feel you want to do certain things, aspects, you, you might want to do mission. 00:33:52.595 --> 00:33:52.805 Yeah. 00:33:52.805 --> 00:33:53.674 Commit that to God. 00:33:53.674 --> 00:33:54.934 Go do that with God. 00:33:54.934 --> 00:33:56.394 If you want to, that's great. 00:33:56.394 --> 00:34:03.494 God will bless you, but he'll also bless you if you want to start a family and you want to make disciples, more disciples for him, new beauty. 00:34:03.944 --> 00:34:04.585 It's fine. 00:34:04.875 --> 00:34:07.944 Just worship God and everything else will make sense. 00:34:08.114 --> 00:34:09.045 What to do from there. 00:34:09.045 --> 00:34:14.574 Don't think, Oh God, I'm pretty sure he wants me to be a school chaplain, but it's not working out. 00:34:15.074 --> 00:34:17.905 God just wants you to worship him. 00:34:17.965 --> 00:34:19.585 That's his plan for you. 00:34:19.974 --> 00:34:22.255 Do that first and everything else will flow. 00:34:22.335 --> 00:34:30.744 What you do for work, who you fall in love with, who you choose to marry, where you, um, yeah, how you live your life. 00:34:30.775 --> 00:34:31.045 Yeah. 00:34:31.054 --> 00:34:31.855 How you live your life. 00:34:31.855 --> 00:34:35.954 And that's, that's, I mean, the way even now as you're sharing, I can see your passion. 00:34:36.565 --> 00:34:37.505 Uh, Oh yeah. 00:34:37.505 --> 00:34:38.945 Cause I'm, look, I'm sorry, everyone. 00:34:38.965 --> 00:34:39.474 I'm not guilty. 00:34:39.514 --> 00:34:41.155 I'm guilty of not doing that myself. 00:34:41.155 --> 00:34:44.445 I need to remind myself and yeah, like even. 00:34:45.085 --> 00:34:50.275 I'm passionate about it, but I still forget about it because I know that's part of our sinful nature, unfortunately. 00:34:50.275 --> 00:35:02.795 And you know, but how good is it that we still have forgiveness and yeah, that's, you can see God's grace in your life all throughout these different seasons. 00:35:02.994 --> 00:35:05.235 Um, and obviously. 00:35:05.625 --> 00:35:15.784 And that moment of, you know, experiencing both loving God and, you know, we've talked about this when we did Ten Commandments, loving others because of the gospel in your own life. 00:35:15.985 --> 00:35:32.494 Um, do you now look back and as you reflect on some of these moments, um, still being a disciple of Jesus as a dad, as a husband, as a mechanic, making gear sticks. 00:35:32.755 --> 00:35:33.494 Is that how you say it? 00:35:33.494 --> 00:35:34.034 Actually I do. 00:35:34.625 --> 00:35:34.864 Yeah. 00:35:34.934 --> 00:35:35.445 That's part of it. 00:35:35.454 --> 00:35:35.855 Yeah. 00:35:37.264 --> 00:35:38.355 How's that shaping? 00:35:38.644 --> 00:35:41.914 Do you feel like, is that shaped the way that you see things? 00:35:42.614 --> 00:35:43.355 Absolutely. 00:35:43.385 --> 00:35:46.344 Like particularly with being a parent. 00:35:47.465 --> 00:35:48.264 I'll go far out. 00:35:48.264 --> 00:35:50.925 What an incredible way to experience what it's like being God. 00:35:51.505 --> 00:36:07.425 You know, you, you create a human with another person and you create a human and you see them from when they're born and when they first opened their eyes and they start making their first noises and you love them so much and they love you, but you love them so much. 00:36:07.425 --> 00:36:13.224 But then like, sorry, Jimmy, he'll forgive me in years to come, but he'll hit his mom. 00:36:13.224 --> 00:36:13.945 He'll hit me. 00:36:13.954 --> 00:36:15.474 He'll hit his sisters and. 00:36:16.170 --> 00:36:18.239 And I just keep saying, no, don't hurt people. 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:24.340 Can't you see, but isn't that amazing that you see we're born, everyone's born with it. 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.099 The, the, no, you kind of, you don't have to teach a kid not to do the wrong thing. 00:36:30.530 --> 00:36:32.079 It just, they, we default to it. 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.659 And it's amazing because I go, Oh, wow. 00:36:34.659 --> 00:36:36.929 That's really what it is like with God and us. 00:36:36.969 --> 00:36:42.530 Like he probably, or even me, I just think about me, Oh, well, I've told you so many times. 00:36:42.940 --> 00:36:45.989 Um, and you still keep doing the same thing, but I still love you. 00:36:47.650 --> 00:36:57.039 And that's what it's like, even as a parent, you go, Oh, I've told you so many times not to do this, you've gone against what I've asked you to do, but I still love you, still love you. 00:36:57.110 --> 00:37:01.900 And you, you feel what God feels there, but yeah, it's beautiful, mate. 00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:02.769 Yeah. 00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:03.869 So, yeah. 00:37:04.769 --> 00:37:10.510 Um, with, with, um, those who might be, yeah, I guess, I don't know. 00:37:10.510 --> 00:37:12.650 Is there anything else that you want to add to what you've just. 00:37:16.454 --> 00:37:28.405 I think I feel very passionately about, and look, I say this because I, I do, I, I asked for forgiveness from God because I am, I'm a sinner. 00:37:28.445 --> 00:37:30.244 I still do make a lot of mistakes. 00:37:30.264 --> 00:37:33.344 I make mistakes with my wife, my children, my workmates. 00:37:34.844 --> 00:37:38.295 There's things I really do need to repent about and I do repent about them. 00:37:38.625 --> 00:37:41.644 And sometimes I don't, I'm sorry for that. 00:37:42.965 --> 00:37:51.974 The hard thing is, is I think just because I've gotten older now, I've seen friends who I knew when I was in my teens. 00:37:52.434 --> 00:37:59.355 That are no longer following God and just not even a, Oh yeah, maybe I'll come back to church. 00:37:59.364 --> 00:38:00.835 It's just no, they're done. 00:38:01.514 --> 00:38:08.155 And heaps of kids that I remember trying to mentor and help and seeing them not want anything to do with God. 00:38:08.155 --> 00:38:17.295 And the sad part is, is I know more people that have gone away from, from Christ rather than have pushed through and gone, you know what it was hard. 00:38:18.144 --> 00:38:18.605 Yes. 00:38:19.025 --> 00:38:20.829 And even myself, there's times where I go. 00:38:21.329 --> 00:38:22.840 I don't feel like going to church today. 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.460 I don't feel like sitting through a sermon. 00:38:25.460 --> 00:38:26.309 I don't feel. 00:38:26.574 --> 00:38:29.885 So, like going to a Bible study, I don't want to talk to this person about God. 00:38:33.065 --> 00:38:37.684 You have to keep trying and asking God for strength to do that. 00:38:38.315 --> 00:38:46.875 As long as you're trying, I believe that's again, like that's God's, God's plan for you is, His plan is you keep trying. 00:38:46.875 --> 00:38:47.344 Because. 00:38:47.715 --> 00:38:48.695 Yes, it is hard. 00:38:48.695 --> 00:38:53.235 And we live in a culture where it does, it gets very, very hard to be a Christian. 00:38:53.684 --> 00:38:55.605 And I do, you probably worry about your children. 00:38:55.605 --> 00:38:57.985 I worry about my children and the culture that they're growing up in. 00:38:59.065 --> 00:39:00.025 It gets hard. 00:39:00.594 --> 00:39:03.635 And yes, there's times I do give up. 00:39:05.659 --> 00:39:15.000 I need to remind myself of what God's done for me and even Shabu, like you think about what he's done for you, what we, we need to think, remember, what's our journey with God? 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.619 Why do we believe in God? 00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:19.750 And do we, yeah, do we worship him? 00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:28.210 Do we, cause yeah, it's hard, but how good is it though, that we're, we're forgiven? 00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:32.699 How good is it that we have a kingdom to look forward to? 00:39:32.699 --> 00:39:35.630 We have excitement about life after death. 00:39:35.969 --> 00:39:40.465 There's no, oh, What's going to happen to me now we have that security. 00:39:40.545 --> 00:39:42.505 That's probably the big thing. 00:39:42.514 --> 00:39:47.195 And that, yeah, for me, that's been a learning thing of going, look, it's not a perfect, it's not a perfect life. 00:39:47.195 --> 00:39:49.764 It's hard because everyone's come from different walks. 00:39:50.324 --> 00:39:57.414 So you're not going to be as talented or as gifted in one area as another person is, but it just, you've got to keep. 00:39:58.614 --> 00:39:59.125 Submitting. 00:39:59.764 --> 00:40:02.074 Where that comes to mind is perseverance. 00:40:02.125 --> 00:40:09.585 And I think the thing that I often find, Christian Walker, in my own life still, is that we forget about that. 00:40:09.864 --> 00:40:26.244 Um, and I think what you just said just before was perfect in that when our hearts are captured by not as much what we're doing for God, but that what God has done in Christ to us, that we're forgiven, we're his children, loved, and that continues to grow in our hearts. 00:40:27.269 --> 00:40:28.329 There is the do aspect. 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:37.510 Um, yeah, I don't feel like I'm going to chat today with the kids for a week, but it might be the best thing for me to do, um, or whatever it might be for. 00:40:37.710 --> 00:40:43.110 Or you're just knowing too, like you go, nah, my children are seeing that, oh, dad and mum are doing this. 00:40:43.190 --> 00:40:43.510 Yes. 00:40:43.550 --> 00:40:51.114 And sometimes they might not want to be happy, but you know, but we're trying to show our children, we go, look. 00:40:51.394 --> 00:40:52.675 We do this because we love God. 00:40:52.675 --> 00:40:55.505 It's not, you're not going to feel something every single time. 00:40:55.505 --> 00:40:58.675 That's just, I'm sorry, I might offend people, but that's just rubbish. 00:40:58.934 --> 00:41:00.625 You're not going to feel something every time. 00:41:00.664 --> 00:41:02.344 And, and that's fine. 00:41:02.784 --> 00:41:09.485 But you can still go to church and you can still have a good time of, um, fellowship with everyone. 00:41:09.505 --> 00:41:14.195 And you can still sing songs and worship and praise him and yeah. 00:41:15.255 --> 00:41:17.885 But there's been some amazing sermons here at Canterbury by the way. 00:41:21.925 --> 00:41:23.085 I'll give you the money later, mate. 00:41:24.434 --> 00:41:25.364 I'll send you the dang details. 00:41:28.335 --> 00:41:33.195 uh, as you can tell, it's always fun to chat to Rob, uh, and have a bit of a laugh. 00:41:33.195 --> 00:41:39.255 But one of the things I've always appreciated about you mate, is your love for the Lord and particularly your love for your family that's growing. 00:41:39.255 --> 00:41:41.775 And I love your honesty and rawness as well. 00:41:42.485 --> 00:41:49.074 Um, in a minute I'm gonna ask you to pray, uh, if that's okay, unless you have anything else that you wanna download before we. 00:41:51.465 --> 00:41:58.014 Um, anyone at Canterbury, if I look like I'm crumpy or if I'm angry, you'd probably listen to this podcast. 00:41:58.014 --> 00:42:00.934 It's hard because you probably listen to this podcast going, listen to this cat. 00:42:00.974 --> 00:42:01.985 I see him on Sunday. 00:42:01.994 --> 00:42:08.644 He looks, he looks like he's frowning most of the time and here he's saying, Oh, I was this great youth leader and I was everyone's friend. 00:42:08.644 --> 00:42:11.635 It's like, yeah, you can talk up your own story, but we weren't, we weren't there. 00:42:11.644 --> 00:42:12.228 We don't know. 00:42:12.228 --> 00:42:13.135 Do you know what? 00:42:13.135 --> 00:42:13.364 Yeah. 00:42:13.474 --> 00:42:14.385 No, you go, you go first. 00:42:14.465 --> 00:42:15.034 Oh, so yeah. 00:42:15.034 --> 00:42:16.755 So look, anyone at Canterbury. 00:42:16.894 --> 00:42:23.295 Uh, yeah, there's times where I just go, Oh, I feel like I've got the weight of the world on my shoulders about things. 00:42:23.605 --> 00:42:24.885 That's just, that's just me. 00:42:24.934 --> 00:42:26.114 I'm not angry at anyone. 00:42:26.695 --> 00:42:27.614 It's just the fact. 00:42:27.644 --> 00:42:27.974 It's okay. 00:42:28.664 --> 00:42:29.655 You should see when I'm preaching. 00:42:29.664 --> 00:42:31.284 I don't even know why I brought that up, but yeah. 00:42:31.795 --> 00:42:35.925 You should see me when I look at Rob when I'm preaching, I'm not sure if he's angry or not, but that's, that's okay. 00:42:36.914 --> 00:42:37.105 Yeah. 00:42:37.105 --> 00:42:38.244 I notice you don't look at me anymore. 00:42:38.594 --> 00:42:40.614 So I just glare harder, hoping that you'll, you know, you might. 00:42:41.025 --> 00:42:56.994 Um, but I think one of the reasons why we're doing this as well as getting stories from people who call Canterbury home is for that very reason that for some of us, you know, we might have roles up the front and doing things, but some of us might not even know each other's story. 00:42:57.085 --> 00:43:05.139 And so if you call Canterbury home, uh, It's a good thing for us as a church family to get into the habit of just asking, Hey, what's your story? 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:06.349 How'd you come to know Jesus? 00:43:06.909 --> 00:43:07.940 A simple line like that. 00:43:08.170 --> 00:43:13.050 You never know what you'll hear, but it'll be giving you an opportunity to hear each other's story. 00:43:13.050 --> 00:43:14.800 And this is just one way we want to do that. 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:21.909 Um, um, yeah, I do have a question for you, which I didn't, it was in my notes, but I forgot to ask. 00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:22.989 Oh, bonus question. 00:43:23.010 --> 00:43:24.030 Here's the bonus question. 00:43:24.630 --> 00:43:27.610 So once in a while, uh, not rumor, I've seen you do it. 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:29.809 You, uh, also do. 00:43:30.255 --> 00:43:30.994 You're a wedding singer. 00:43:34.335 --> 00:43:34.835 Is that right? 00:43:34.835 --> 00:43:37.204 Oh, X. 00:43:37.304 --> 00:43:37.775 X wedding singer. 00:43:37.905 --> 00:43:39.894 You put the tools down with that regard. 00:43:39.985 --> 00:43:41.175 Yeah, no, not enough time. 00:43:41.255 --> 00:43:42.215 You've got the family now. 00:43:42.224 --> 00:43:49.885 There's just, and I stress out about it and I put too much time into preparing and all that time just goes into the family now. 00:43:49.885 --> 00:43:50.585 So I had to. 00:43:51.599 --> 00:44:09.070 So I did have one question though, cause I was, I wondered this, is there a song that you cannot stand getting requested at a wedding that you don't like playing, but you do, because you know, well, we don't, well, sorry, we, we didn't, we, we didn't. 00:44:09.434 --> 00:44:13.494 usually take requests because we, Oh, we played so much. 00:44:13.494 --> 00:44:16.574 Like, I think everyone was just tired and they wouldn't bother coming up and asking. 00:44:16.574 --> 00:44:18.405 So they're probably like, Oh, hurry up and just finish. 00:44:19.105 --> 00:44:20.184 But I do have, I dunno. 00:44:20.405 --> 00:44:22.364 I dunno if it's interesting or not. 00:44:22.364 --> 00:44:23.594 Sorry. 00:44:23.594 --> 00:44:26.724 I don't know if it's related to the podcast, but I just find the funniest thing. 00:44:26.735 --> 00:44:28.445 Like when. 00:44:28.784 --> 00:44:47.144 When we did our gigs, you would, yeah, people would come up and say like, Oh, can you do ACDC or, and we never did any AC, I think we tried it once and it didn't work, but anyway, um, the funniest thing was at a wedding where the, the couple actually said, by all, like, cannot do the Nutbush. 00:44:47.244 --> 00:44:48.195 Oh, so. 00:44:48.835 --> 00:44:55.875 Google that folks, or if anyone doesn't know, Google Tina, Tina Turner, Nutbush and Google the dance, because there's a dance that goes along with it. 00:44:56.894 --> 00:45:00.474 Goes down very well because it's, everyone used to be able to know how to do it. 00:45:00.474 --> 00:45:01.474 It's like line dancing. 00:45:01.844 --> 00:45:04.855 And I remember the bride and groom were like, no, no, you cannot do that. 00:45:04.855 --> 00:45:06.025 We don't want that at our wedding. 00:45:06.735 --> 00:45:08.005 I said, yeah, actually, no worries. 00:45:08.114 --> 00:45:09.085 Yeah, we did actually. 00:45:09.105 --> 00:45:09.474 Well, sorry. 00:45:09.474 --> 00:45:11.894 We, we did, we did do it like not, sorry. 00:45:12.324 --> 00:45:16.644 We, we learned how to do it and we had done it before, but because they said, no, we don't want you to do it. 00:45:16.715 --> 00:45:16.965 Okay. 00:45:16.985 --> 00:45:17.514 We won't do it. 00:45:18.054 --> 00:45:19.894 But then they disappeared. 00:45:19.894 --> 00:45:26.114 We had no idea where they were and we had eight people coming up saying, can you do the nutbush? 00:45:27.324 --> 00:45:31.059 And I looked at the boys and I smiled and I said, Give the people what they want. 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:32.250 That's how you did it. 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:33.610 And we did it and it went off. 00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:35.090 It was probably the biggest hit of the night. 00:45:36.010 --> 00:45:39.619 And the funniest thing was, is we went to go apologize to the bride later on. 00:45:39.829 --> 00:45:41.190 We found her and said, Oh, sorry. 00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:42.460 I know you said not to do it. 00:45:42.820 --> 00:45:43.630 She goes, Oh, what was that? 00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:45.869 I said, no, you said nut bush. 00:45:46.090 --> 00:45:47.150 Oh, or did you do it? 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:48.570 So they disappeared. 00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:50.780 We don't even know what they weren't even enjoying what they paid for. 00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:54.739 Anyway, silly, silly little story. 00:45:54.739 --> 00:45:55.429 Is a highlight. 00:45:55.619 --> 00:46:03.949 Um, well on that note, uh, uh, Robbie, uh, I'd love for you to pray for us as we close up, if that's all right with you, if you mind just, yeah, leading us in prayer. 00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:15.869 Dear Lord and Heavenly Father, thank you so much again for this time that, um, Shabu and I can, uh, have time, uh, with sharing my story and just chatting and chatting about you. 00:46:15.869 --> 00:46:18.130 And Lord, I apologize. 00:46:18.190 --> 00:46:23.869 There's probably many times where I don't acknowledge just how important you are or make you number one in my life. 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:31.800 And thank you even for this time of, um, fellowship with Shabu, just reminds me how good you are and how great you are and how forgiving you are. 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:43.945 And, Yeah, I just pray for all of us that are following after you, me as well, just make us more like you and everything that we do in every way, help us to love and be forgiving and have patience and have kindness. 00:46:44.905 --> 00:46:46.454 Thank you so much again for this time, Lord. 00:46:46.454 --> 00:46:47.204 You're so good. 00:46:47.844 --> 00:46:52.474 It's been nice reminiscing all the times that you've been with me in my life and still yet to come. 00:46:53.324 --> 00:46:54.784 So I thank you so much again for this time. 00:46:54.784 --> 00:46:55.235 You're good. 00:46:55.244 --> 00:46:55.795 You're great. 00:46:56.045 --> 00:46:56.735 You will always be great. 00:46:57.389 --> 00:47:00.170 Thank you for all the blessings that you give us in your wonderful name. 00:47:00.460 --> 00:47:00.789 Amen. 00:47:01.059 --> 00:47:01.889 Amen. 00:47:02.059 --> 00:47:09.880 Well, friends, thanks for joining us today and, uh, please do feel free to share this podcast with those who you feel will be encouraged. 00:47:09.889 --> 00:47:11.719 Um, and yeah, thanks for joining us. 00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:12.349 Chat to you soon.