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Building a Successful Chiropractor Business After Getting Fired I Dr. Nick Fedele I AO 27

August 05, 2025 • Joseph Cabrera

In this episode of American Operator, Dr. Nick shares how his grandfather’s wisdom and belief in him sparked a fire to go independent. From those early days of doubt and hustle to building a thriving chiropractic practice, Dr. Nick reveals the discipline, patience, and purpose it takes to serve people well — and run a values-driven business.

This is a story about honoring where you come from, pushing through when no one’s watching, and proving that doing the job right still matters.

Whether you're in the early days of a new venture or trying to turn a setback into strength — this episode hits home.

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Speaker 1
Hard work. Real talk. No shortcuts. I'm Joseph Cabrera. This is American operator.

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Speaker 1
All right, team, welcome back. We are here with Nick Fedeli.

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Speaker 3
That's right.

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Speaker 1
Man. So good to have you, as it's always good to have somebody who I think he'd call it local, even though, Leander and Cedar Park is technically another part of central Texas. That's kind of the greater part. That is Austin, man. So good to have you in today.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm stoked.

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Speaker 1
Well, what's cool about this? That I'm excited to get into is the fact that we've never had a chiropractor on the show and, and want to get into all things kind of the business of it. Y'all running your own practice and how all that came to be. But, man, I'd like to kick off with You're Cali guy originally moved to Texas, so talk to me about talk to me about why the move.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. What about kind of where you kind of part of that that great wave of folks that were moving from Cali to Texas. What was the impetus for that?

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Speaker 2
Started the trend? I like to think.

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Speaker 3
But, it was it was really. Yeah. I kicked it off. It was it was early.

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Speaker 2
2020, believe it or not. I mean.

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Speaker 1
I tell folks that I'm going to when I'm not at a pizza place or whatever, I'm just going to be like, hey, man, I'm at the guy who started it. The reasons California's moving to Texas. All right, man, we're glad.

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Speaker 2
No.

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Speaker 3
There's no way that's true. Obviously.

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Speaker 2
But yeah, man, it was, it was early 2020.

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Speaker 3
I just graduated Cairo school.

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Speaker 2
Thought my whole life I was going to work with and for my grandparents and kind of continue on that legacy, coming to find out that wasn't exactly something that worked out. And so I was on Instagram. I saw a buddy of mine who I went to school.

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Speaker 3
With.

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Speaker 2
And, he was hiring at the time, and I said, hey, man, let's, let's.

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Speaker 3
Call each other, let's talk.

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Speaker 2
And no idea where else to annual somewhere in Texas. Had no idea. Never been to Texas before. And,

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Speaker 3
He's like, well, once you fly out here.

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Speaker 2
Kind of, you know, spend the weekend, see what the practice.

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Speaker 3
Is like and see.

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Speaker 2
What Austin's like, and.

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Speaker 3
Flew out here.

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Speaker 2
March. And,

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Speaker 3
Yeah, had.

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Speaker 2
Had a great time and fell in love already.

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Speaker 3
Right away.

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Speaker 2
With Austin. So. So I'm originally from Fresno, California. Right. And so.

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Speaker 3
There's like this.

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Speaker 2
Cool blend of city and nature. I grew up in the hills, sometimes more like, you know, slow.

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Speaker 3
Slow.

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Speaker 2
Roll and slow life up in the mountains. And, so I like being out in nature, but I also like the conveniences.

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Speaker 3
Of the city.

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Speaker 2
And so just right away, I fell in love with Austin. How the, you know, the.

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Speaker 3
Cool is the people.

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Speaker 2
And then just all the nature interweaves in between it. And so, so.

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Speaker 1
It kind of felt.

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Speaker 3
Like home. So I feel a lot like.

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Speaker 2
Home.

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Speaker 3
Bigger.

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Speaker 2
You know, more people.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. I felt a lot like home.

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Speaker 2
And then, yeah. And then everything worked.

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Speaker 3
Out with the practice.

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Speaker 2
And so we ended up moving out here with our. At the time, my wife and I and our five month.

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Speaker 3
Old made the trip and was just new, new grad and new.

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Speaker 2
Plans and wanted to follow where God was going to take us.

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Speaker 3
And Austin, Texas was where it is.

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Speaker 1
Here you are. That's right. Now, you mentioned your grandfather. So, there's was some the reason you even got into this field of work. I think is because of your grandfather. Can you tell me about that a little bit?

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Just always been a big inspiration. Has always been something I was really interested in. So my, my, my grandpa was a chiropractor. And it's always been.

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Speaker 3
Kind of a way of life for us where it was just different.

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Speaker 2
And I remember just even being a kid, and I didn't think it was different or what it was what I knew.

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Speaker 3
But I.

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Speaker 2
Had been.

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Speaker 3
Adjusted.

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Speaker 2
My whole.

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Speaker 3
Life. If if I was sick, I would get adjusted.

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Speaker 2
And it wasn't to like, oh, make sure I am no longer sick. It was just make sure my body can best recover from this and heal. And I could hop right back on my feet as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3
Right.

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Speaker 2
And so it was just kind of as kind of a way.

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Speaker 3
Of life for.

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Speaker 2
Us. And, yeah.

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Speaker 3
I always just thought it was so cool that.

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Speaker 2
He gets to go in and he gets.

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Speaker 3
To help people feel better.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And I remember going into the office kind of a young age, not really knowing what it was. And in high school I worked the front desk, kind of helped my grandma actually, ran the front desk.

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Speaker 3
It's a very like, family owned.

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Speaker 2
It was my grandpa.

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Speaker 3
Was the chiropractor.

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Speaker 2
My grandma was at the front desk, and,

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Speaker 3
Yeah, just started slowly, like, okay, well, what is this place?

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Speaker 2
And, like.

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Speaker 3
What are we doing? What exactly is this? And what does this look like as a business?

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Speaker 2
And then and so that was in high school was I was working for them and there was a, there's a portion I was like.

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Speaker 3
I'm supposed to be a.

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Speaker 2
Chiropractor. And I like, rebelled against it. Like, you know, like my grandparents kind of like they never pressured me, but they like, want me to be a chiropractor. I can kind of just tell. And and so there's, like, a part of me in high school was like, no, I'm.

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Speaker 3
Supposed to be paternal.

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Speaker 2
I want to be a career. I don't want to be what.

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Speaker 3
I'm supposed to be. Yeah. And then I was, okay, well, what.

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Speaker 2
Else am I going to do? Well, something to do. I like.

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Speaker 3
Sports.

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Speaker 2
I like, you know, certain things. And I was like, nothing ever really called to me. And I was like, okay, I'm going to revisit.

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Speaker 3
This.

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Speaker 2
Chiropractic thing. I know I want to work with my hands. I know I want to be active. And yeah, and so I just started shadowing my grandfather and showing up to the office and seeing him interact with patients. And I fell in love with the the interpersonal connection and the end result.

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Speaker 3
That just helps people.

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Speaker 2
Heal in a natural way.

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Speaker 1
Do you think that it was weird, his generation to be a chiropractor? Because I don't now I feel like it's very commonplace to talk about and people will ask all the time, do you have a chiropractor you recommend or often enough? Yeah, I feel like that. So it's not just your father's, your grandfather. It's like two generations back.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Was it rare, or am I just kind of thinking that that was not a profession that a lot of people knew about?

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Speaker 3
Yeah, I wouldn't say it was necessarily rare.

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Speaker 2
It's definitely more mainstream.

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Speaker 3
It's more accepted. I guess you could say.

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Speaker 2
It's, you know, less.

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Speaker 3
Of a jump to say, well, why would somebody go to a chiropractor? Right.

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Speaker 2
He probably definitely had to overcome maybe some more questioning. I remember.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. Was it.

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Speaker 2
I think it was my grandma's mom or something. I used to joke like, oh, are you going to that? You know, you're going to that witch.

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Speaker 3
Doctor.

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Speaker 2
You know, that's.

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Speaker 3
All that stuff. Because, I mean, some.

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Speaker 1
Chiropractors, some chiropractors are weird.

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Speaker 2
Man.

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Speaker 3
And some of some all people are weird. I'm a little weird too.

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Speaker 2
But then, you know.

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Speaker 3
I come to.

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Speaker 2
You know, it's not.

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Speaker 3
Chiropractic. That's it's weird to some.

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Speaker 2
People that are weird. I know, and some.

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Speaker 3
Chiropractors are pretty weird.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Then you mix it with something you don't understand.

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Speaker 3
Now you're right.

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Speaker 1
You totally wigged out, right? Yeah. You're like, what am I doing?

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Speaker 3
And some people are bad at.

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Speaker 2
Communicating what it.

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Speaker 3
Is. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1
Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I do want to keep talking about your grandparents because I think that's, that's not an influence. A lot of times we remember our grandparents, but kind of the fun for me, it's like running around the ranch and talking about things, but not necessarily the job part being influential. So I don't want to get back to that for a second.

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Speaker 1
But while we're on it, yes. How do you describe to somebody what a chiropractor is or what is chiropractic work at all?

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Speaker 3
For sure.

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Speaker 2
I mean, I definitely have to tailor.

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Speaker 3
It to the.

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Speaker 2
Person you know. Am I talking to a kid? Am I talking to an A Dawes or someone who's maybe experienced it before but didn't have a good.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Experience? Well, okay.

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Speaker 1
Let's go with that version. Like, how do you tell somebody who you can tell is apprehensive or thinks you're a witch doctor? Yeah. Yeah, right. What would you tell them to either assuage that or just tell them that. There's more than.

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Speaker 3
That for sure. For sure. So, you know, I would say to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2
I'm not going to do anything to you, I'm going to do something with you. And ultimately, it's going to be.

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Speaker 3
For the better of your.

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Speaker 2
Body and your health. And if you're coming to me because.

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Speaker 3
You have.

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Speaker 2
I never. Everybody comes for something different. You know, you got neck pain.

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Speaker 3
You got a back pain. There's there's a reason.

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Speaker 2
And you've been taking these painkillers. You told me.

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Speaker 3
For the last.

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Speaker 2
You know, three months. And it didn't help.

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Speaker 3
You said you got massage. It helps a little.

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Speaker 2
Bit, but it comes right back. You've got an X-ray, you got the MRI. Nobody's got any answers.

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Speaker 3
Well, how about we take.

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Speaker 2
A different approach and we.

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Speaker 3
Actually get.

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Speaker 2
Kind of zoom in and see.

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Speaker 3
What is the cause of this pain.

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Speaker 2
It's not a lack of pain pills. Am I going to take enough pain pills in this problem is going to go away.

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Speaker 3
So what's the cause?

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Speaker 2
And at the end of the day, when you get down to what we're working with.

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Speaker 3
It's like, yeah, it's the bones, it's the joints.

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Speaker 2
It's the muscles. But really, what's underneath all that is the nervous system. And the nervous.

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Speaker 3
System is like the circuit breaker, the house, it runs everything.

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Speaker 2
And so at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3
Like, let's at the very least check.

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Speaker 2
That and make sure.

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Speaker 3
That's good.

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Speaker 2
It's almost.

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Speaker 3
Like roll.

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Speaker 2
That in or.

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Speaker 3
Out.

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Speaker 2
And if it's not that.

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Speaker 3
Cool, like, let's refer you.

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Speaker 2
Somewhere where maybe we can get some more answers. And many times it can be the nervous system. And I found it is.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Good answer man. Okay. I'd be if I was skeptical I'd be in. I'm like okay.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of forgot.

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Speaker 2
I was answering that question.

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Speaker 3
I kind of started talking about ready? Yeah.

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Speaker 1
No. So, so you okay? So you got, you definitely have a subset of folks that are, you know, I came in, I don't I don't know how many times do you, do you kind of have a running tally of folks that would normally be against it? Sure. And gave it a try and then we're in it.

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Speaker 1
How many times do folks come in and go, okay, I'll give it a try. Yep. And then come back versus one and done.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. I mean there's.

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Speaker 2
Definitely some one and dones.

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Speaker 3
And it's like that's that's.

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Speaker 2
What they're in for. They were in pain. They want to get out of pain. They're not necessarily interested in any like maintenance care and kind of optimizing and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3
Cool.

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Speaker 2
Like that's what they want.

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Speaker 3
I'm cool with that. But one of the.

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Speaker 2
Most common things I hear from somebody, almost, almost 100% of the time when they've never experienced.

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Speaker 3
Chiropractic care.

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Speaker 2
Then they.

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Speaker 3
Receive chiropractic. They receive the.

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Speaker 2
Adjustments, they get up off the table and they say, well, there's a couple of things. One is, oh my gosh, I thought that was going to hurt.

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Speaker 3
I thought the.

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Speaker 2
Adjustments are going to hurt. And it doesn't hurt. It shouldn't.

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Speaker 3
Hurt.

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Speaker 2
I've never hurt anybody. I don't plan to.

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Speaker 3
It feels.

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Speaker 2
Good when you.

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Speaker 3
Work with the body, not like on the body. You work with.

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Speaker 2
Somebody.

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Speaker 3
Right?

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Speaker 2
And the other thing is they always get up and they say, man, like.

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Speaker 3
I'm surprised how good I feel right now. It's like, so.

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Speaker 2
So chiropractic is my one of my favorite things to.

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Speaker 3
Like give and like to be a part of and.

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Speaker 2
Be the practitioner and be the.

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Speaker 3
Doctor.

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Speaker 2
And it's one of my favorite things to.

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Speaker 3
Receive as well.

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Speaker 2
Because my grandpa.

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Speaker 3
Is a chiropractor. Yeah. And so it's just it's.

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Speaker 2
My experience with it.

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Speaker 3
Is.

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Speaker 2
If I'm in some sort of pain, I've almost always gotten instant relief. And it's.

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Speaker 3
Fast. Right?

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Speaker 2
So like, I love my massage and acupuncture. Those things are cool too. And they have their time in their place.

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Speaker 3
But.

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Speaker 2
You know, an hour.

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Speaker 3
Later.

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Speaker 2
You can feel some, some sort of minimal change. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
What? Chiropractic. What's cool about chiropractic.

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Speaker 2
Is not only, like I said, are we adjusting the joints are giving you a better range of motion. We're getting muscles.

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Speaker 3
To relax.

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Speaker 2
Better. And they were.

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Speaker 3
Regulating.

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Speaker 2
The nervous system. And when we're stuck in these.

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Speaker 3
Fight or flight tones of our body, which is.

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Speaker 2
You know, I don't know how much this is going to be on video, but I'm kind of tense, squeezing my hands and my shoulders are up high and I'm tense and tight.

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Speaker 3
That's a sympathetic fight.

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Speaker 2
Or flight tone. I mean, you can get somebody.

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Speaker 3
To be adjusted.

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Speaker 2
And to relax, and the brain.

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Speaker 3
Tells that body.

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Speaker 2
And that.

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Speaker 3
Part of the body. Okay, well, you're safe.

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Speaker 2
You can relax that part. We no longer need to.

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Speaker 3
Hold that tight to protect it.

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Speaker 2
We're now switching to parasympathetic mode. And people in parasympathetic mode rest.

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Speaker 3
Digest and.

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Speaker 2
Heal better.

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Speaker 1
So it's also like you're working on mindset to not just, not just the body mechanically.

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Speaker 2
No.

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Speaker 3
It's there's a lot involved with it.

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Speaker 1
You tell me about going back to your grandfather. Tell me about those days. Like, what were the things you observed in his practice or just being around it that positively influenced you? That obviously it left a mark. Yeah, he was helping folks. But do you remember specific things?

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Speaker 3
It's more vague things.

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Speaker 2
I just remember, laughter. I remember, you know, him kind of.

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Speaker 3
Pop into it like they were talking.

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Speaker 2
About the things that were going on with the people and there was like times where.

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Speaker 3
He was serious and he's like, oh, well.

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Speaker 2
You know, it's.

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Speaker 3
This, that.

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Speaker 2
It's been affecting you. And like, you know, here's some things we can do at home and here's how often I want to see you. And there was like times to be quote unquote serious and I remember being in there and they.

00:11:03:03 - 00:11:04:02
Speaker 3
Were talking about.

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Speaker 2
Cars and they were talking about family and their dogs and, you know, all.

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Speaker 3
That stuff.

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Speaker 2
And, yeah, no, no real.

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Speaker 3
Specific, like walk away. I can tell a story about it.

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Speaker 2
But I just remember this just overwhelming like.

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Speaker 3
And this is cool.

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Speaker 2
Like, people know my grandpa.

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Speaker 3
That he's their guy, that they go.

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Speaker 2
To when they want to feel better, they want to optimize.

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Speaker 3
Their health.

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Speaker 2
If you know they're referring their friends and family who have maybe gone through the ringer of some of the health care model, that is important and necessary.

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Speaker 3
But for whatever.

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Speaker 2
Reason, didn't.

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Speaker 3
Get that person a solution to their problem. So let's go to the typewriter.

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Speaker 2
To find out.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. So yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
It's kind of, it sounds like you associate his work with people gathering, and more than just because that's a hospital feels sterile. It's kind of this transactional. Here's why. You know, you're you sick. Here's what you get necessary. Yep. Sounds like your recollection. It might just be your grandma said you got weird people. You probably also got really social people here.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And so it sounds like to you, do you feel like that's influenced the way you are in your shop practice. Yeah it.

00:12:06:21 - 00:12:07:02
Speaker 2
Is.

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Speaker 1
And then you're good talking about dogs and family, right?

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Speaker 3
Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And I like doing that. Right. I wouldn't like it if the person just came in.

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Speaker 3
They talked about.

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Speaker 2
Kind of like.

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Speaker 3
Just.

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Speaker 2
What's going on with their body. Yeah. And then I was like, all.

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Speaker 3
Right, well I gotta go.

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Speaker 2
See the next person, like, see.

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Speaker 3
You later.

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Speaker 2
Like, I'm like.

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Speaker 3
I've met so many, like.

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Speaker 2
Good friends I have now who were once at once a client.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Just really cool people.

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Speaker 2
Really cool people. And here in Austin, like, there's no.

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Speaker 3
Shortage of cool people.

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Speaker 1
No.

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Speaker 2
So I'm meeting other people who own businesses that are into crypto. I learned a lot.

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Speaker 3
Of.

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Speaker 2
Crypto from some of them. Some of those.

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Speaker 3
Guys, some guys who are.

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Speaker 2
Early in on Bitcoin have kind of raised me up in their ways.

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Speaker 3
A little bit. And so just like, yeah.

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Speaker 2
Getting to meet.

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Speaker 3
People.

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Speaker 2
Is definitely an aspect of one of the reasons why I like it so much for sure.

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Speaker 1
So you move the family from Cali to Texas. At that point in time, did you already set sail on that? You're starting your own practice or you said you moved here because somebody said, come work with me.

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Speaker 3
Yep. That's right. Yeah. So it was.

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Speaker 1
Talk to me about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Were you.

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Speaker 1
Already practicing in Cali at the.

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Speaker 3
Time? So yeah, we should probably take one step before that. So like I said, I always thought I was.

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Speaker 2
Going.

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Speaker 3
To.

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Speaker 2
Kind of take over and I say.

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Speaker 3
Take over.

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Speaker 2
Not like I'm going to.

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Speaker 3
Graduate and be like, all right, see, I can't see hip hop, you know, like you're done now.

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Speaker 2
Like is my time, you know, nothing like that.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. I thought I.

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Speaker 2
Was gonna, you know, kind of.

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Speaker 3
Gradually.

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Speaker 2
Let him kind of show me the ropes and, and work with him from now.

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Speaker 3
The chiropractic side. Because, like I said, I'd.

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Speaker 2
Been.

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Speaker 3
A grandchild.

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Speaker 2
In the practice, just hanging out.

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Speaker 3
I had worked.

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Speaker 2
The front desk and had an insurance, and then.

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Speaker 3
I had graduated school.

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Speaker 2
But wasn't adjusting people, and I was shadowing him again as.

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Speaker 3
Well. Yeah. What do you call it?

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Speaker 2
Just like in the room kind of listening, paying attention, patient interaction, that sort of thing. And, I had finished chiro school. I just had my first born in December.

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Speaker 3
And.

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Speaker 2
Had been shadowing for.

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Speaker 3
Close to a.

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Speaker 2
Year, and my, my license was in the mail on the way, and I was just getting done with paternity leave saying, oh my.

00:14:01:18 - 00:14:04:20
Speaker 3
Gosh, this, this lifelong pursuit and.

00:14:04:20 - 00:14:07:22
Speaker 2
This lifelong journey and this lifelong dream.

00:14:08:00 - 00:14:08:19
Speaker 3
Is weeks.

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Speaker 2
Away from me. Like stepping into my grandmother's practice and practicing alongside him. This is going to be exactly as envisioned. This is.

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Speaker 3
So cool.

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Speaker 2
I can't wait for this.

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Speaker 3
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
After shadowing for a while.

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Speaker 3
There was there was a little bit of like friction, which was.

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Speaker 2
Interesting, as like professional friction. I was very respectful.

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Speaker 3
I wasn't the, the.

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Speaker 2
Young whippersnapper who.

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Speaker 3
Went to school for a couple.

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Speaker 2
Of years and knows everything. I know I wasn't.

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Speaker 3
That guy at all. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
But at the same time, I, you know, I.

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Speaker 3
Was like, hey, like, what do you guys even think about? Like, maybe.

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Speaker 2
YouTube and, like, kind of showing.

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Speaker 3
Some more people about what we're.

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Speaker 2
Doing.

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Speaker 3
And I was like, very low.

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Speaker 2
Key, making sure I'm not stepping on toes and respectful and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3
But I think they saw.

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Speaker 2
That I wanted to honor one what they had.

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Speaker 3
Built.

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Speaker 2
And at some point kind of make some changes and make it a little more modern. There was some aspects that felt.

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Speaker 3
Very.

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Speaker 2
Old. And, you know, you mentioned hospitals.

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Speaker 3
Feel a little cliniche. Yeah.

00:15:01:17 - 00:15:02:02
Speaker 2
And I.

00:15:02:02 - 00:15:02:09
Speaker 3
Felt a.

00:15:02:09 - 00:15:04:04
Speaker 2
Little cliniche.

00:15:04:06 - 00:15:05:11
Speaker 3
At the practice.

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Speaker 2
And so.

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Speaker 3
It was just.

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Speaker 2
Like, oh, no. Yeah. And then,

00:15:09:05 - 00:15:09:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
So January rolls around. I got a couple days until my license comes in, grandparents show up to see my newborn son.

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Speaker 3
Always great relationship. We still have a great relationship. Before I drop the news that you could.

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Speaker 2
Already feel coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
It's good anticipation.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. Always good relationships. Still got a good relationship. Called them have a good talks and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2
And they said sat down and.

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Speaker 3
He said,

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Speaker 2
You know, Nick, we're really.

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Speaker 3
Proud of you.

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Speaker 2
Thank you. We're we know you're going to do really cool things in chiropractic. We love you so much. And we're going to let you go.

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Speaker 3
Really? Yeah.

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Speaker 2
So we're going to let you go. And I, man, that stung for a long time.

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Speaker 3
That hurt.

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Speaker 1
The even process at the beginning when they told you.

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Speaker 3
That it took a little.

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Speaker 2
While. Yeah. You know, I.

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Speaker 2
I let them kind of.

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Speaker 3
What would be the right. Where are you? Here.

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Speaker 2
Just, like, maintain face. I didn't want to, like, you know.

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Speaker 3
How dare you do this to me?

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Speaker 2
Do you know, I.

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Speaker 3
Just got through with school and this was the.

00:16:01:00 - 00:16:03:22
Speaker 2
Dream. And this was kind of the unspoken promise.

00:16:03:22 - 00:16:09:08
Speaker 3
And this was felt betrayed. Yeah. Felt a lot of different emotions.

00:16:09:10 - 00:16:11:09
Speaker 2
And,

00:16:11:11 - 00:16:12:21
Speaker 3
It took it definitely took years.

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Speaker 2
And there's probably still a splinter in there, you know, of like, I mean, I.

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Speaker 3
I was betrayed a little bit. I thought this was a ride or die situation.

00:16:19:04 - 00:16:23:14
Speaker 2
Yeah. And come to find out, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3
But I come to get healing. In other words, just, like.

00:16:29:22 - 00:16:35:09
Speaker 2
Kind of noticing that I had hurt in my heart still toward them. And I didn't want that. I just knew I didn't want that.

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Speaker 3
I had a great.

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Speaker 2
Relationship growing up with them.

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Speaker 3
Every.

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Speaker 2
Friday night growing up.

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Speaker 3
I used to go to their house.

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Speaker 2
Spend the night and, like, go.

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Speaker 3
Bowling and go play billiards.

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Speaker 2
With them. And so.

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Speaker 3
I have such.

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Speaker 2
Good, fond memories even outside of, you know, chiropractic and office. They're my grandparents. I love them no matter what, you know. And now there's this hurt. And anyway, I came to find so much healing in the fact.

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Speaker 3
That they said, they're.

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Speaker 2
Letting me go now that they were firing me.

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Speaker 3
I think they said.

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Speaker 2
I'm letting you go. And not that.

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Speaker 3
They were.

00:17:00:04 - 00:17:01:20
Speaker 2
Firing me, because I don't think they could have.

00:17:01:20 - 00:17:02:19
Speaker 3
Mustered up the words to say.

00:17:02:19 - 00:17:04:07
Speaker 2
They're firing me. So I don't think.

00:17:04:09 - 00:17:05:10
Speaker 3
They said it for the.

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Speaker 2
Reason I'm about.

00:17:06:01 - 00:17:07:13
Speaker 3
To have a take away that I had.

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Speaker 2
From it.

00:17:08:18 - 00:17:09:10
Speaker 3
But the takeaway.

00:17:09:10 - 00:17:10:10
Speaker 2
I got from it was.

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Speaker 3
Like.

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Speaker 2
Like something you can't contain that's going to experience so much growth. And it's like a hot ember you can't hold. And so.

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Speaker 3
What I feel like.

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Speaker 2
And I just know the.

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Speaker 3
Desire I have for the.

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Speaker 2
Profession of chiropractic and for what I can envision my practice looking like, and somehow I think they.

00:17:27:22 - 00:17:28:22
Speaker 3
Were aware of that.

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Speaker 2
More than even I was at the moment. And they said, we're going to let you go. And I.

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Speaker 3
Think that's beautiful now, actually, because.

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Speaker 2
I think they did have to let me go.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, it kind of let you it sounds like you've gotten some time to kind of reflect on, that being the, the new momentum, you needed to go start your own thing. Yeah. Which we'll get into. Yeah. At the time though, did you have a different understanding or they give you an understanding as to why you were getting let go.

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Speaker 3
It was, it was I felt a little more.

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Speaker 2
Like kind of unspoken. There was just some there's some interesting interactions like throughout the whole thing. Like I.

00:18:03:01 - 00:18:06:01
Speaker 3
Said, like I said, like there was it was very true that, like, people would be.

00:18:06:01 - 00:18:07:08
Speaker 2
Laughing and joking in the.

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Speaker 3
Office.

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Speaker 2
And those sorts of things. And like, while.

00:18:10:21 - 00:18:13:13
Speaker 3
That was true, there were other truths that.

00:18:13:15 - 00:18:13:23
Speaker 2
It was a.

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Speaker 3
Little bit of like this old there.

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Speaker 2
Concept, an idea like.

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Speaker 3
Your I heard this.

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Speaker 2
A lot from, from my grandma, who was like, you know, you're the doctor.

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Speaker 3
They're the patient.

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Speaker 2
Like, there's some things you shouldn't be sharing. And I agree with that to an extent. Yeah, definitely.

00:18:28:00 - 00:18:28:23
Speaker 3
Still agree with that.

00:18:29:01 - 00:18:31:00
Speaker 2
But I remember this one interaction where where.

00:18:31:00 - 00:18:31:13
Speaker 3
This lady was.

00:18:31:13 - 00:18:34:14
Speaker 2
In and she was talking and we were laughing and all this stuff. And I was like.

00:18:34:14 - 00:18:35:01
Speaker 3
Yeah, he's that.

00:18:35:04 - 00:18:38:01
Speaker 2
She she mentioned something about star Wars, you know, and I was like, oh yeah.

00:18:38:07 - 00:18:38:15
Speaker 3
Perhaps.

00:18:38:15 - 00:18:40:00
Speaker 2
The Jedi Master and all that.

00:18:40:00 - 00:18:40:13
Speaker 3
Stuff.

00:18:40:15 - 00:18:41:11
Speaker 2
And then.

00:18:41:13 - 00:18:42:05
Speaker 3
She left.

00:18:42:05 - 00:18:43:17
Speaker 2
She was always came in and always.

00:18:43:17 - 00:18:44:02
Speaker 3
Is always.

00:18:44:02 - 00:18:45:14
Speaker 2
A good time laughing with her. And she was like.

00:18:45:14 - 00:18:46:02
Speaker 3
Hey,

00:18:46:04 - 00:18:47:04
Speaker 2
You know, she pulled me off to the side.

00:18:47:04 - 00:18:48:12
Speaker 3
She's like, what were you guys laughing.

00:18:48:12 - 00:18:49:11
Speaker 2
About in the in the room? And I was like.

00:18:49:11 - 00:18:50:09
Speaker 3
Oh, I don't know.

00:18:50:09 - 00:18:51:18
Speaker 2
You know, you know her.

00:18:51:20 - 00:18:52:19
Speaker 3
And, she's always.

00:18:52:19 - 00:18:54:06
Speaker 2
Having a good time and she's like, yeah, but.

00:18:54:06 - 00:18:54:19
Speaker 3
Like, what were you guys.

00:18:54:19 - 00:18:58:11
Speaker 2
Laughing about? And I kind of just heard the same thing, how the Jedi Master was just like, oh.

00:18:58:13 - 00:19:06:13
Speaker 3
Jedi Master, like what's like, what's that all about? And so there's just a lot of like this questioning of, like, I don't know, I there's just a lot of.

00:19:06:13 - 00:19:11:15
Speaker 2
Questioning on their side. Like, almost like my professionalism, which I know I wasn't being unprofessional, but there's.

00:19:11:21 - 00:19:12:18
Speaker 3
There's older ways.

00:19:12:18 - 00:19:13:15
Speaker 2
Of thinking is how I.

00:19:13:15 - 00:19:18:04
Speaker 3
Would I would say it where they're like, they're the patient, you're the doctor.

00:19:18:06 - 00:19:25:00
Speaker 2
But yeah, I saw him joking around. And so there was just some interesting kind of friction there. And another thing that.

00:19:25:02 - 00:19:26:16
Speaker 3
Like the that's the.

00:19:26:16 - 00:19:29:08
Speaker 2
Stage I'm at right now, but it's not the stage I always want to be.

00:19:29:10 - 00:19:31:09
Speaker 3
Is he was always,

00:19:31:11 - 00:19:34:15
Speaker 2
The chiropractor and the office. Never. And like.

00:19:34:15 - 00:19:34:21
Speaker 3
Cool.

00:19:34:21 - 00:19:36:21
Speaker 2
Like that's what he wanted. Like, there's no judgment on that.

00:19:36:21 - 00:19:38:11
Speaker 3
And there's chiropractors all over the place.

00:19:38:11 - 00:19:47:07
Speaker 2
Maybe even one tuned in right now listening that, you know, might be the only chiropractor. And that's where they want us to be. And I think that's awesome. I think that's so cool. Like, I'm enjoying myself as the only chiropractor right now.

00:19:47:09 - 00:19:48:17
Speaker 3
But also like.

00:19:48:19 - 00:19:53:17
Speaker 2
They never took vacations. They never took time out. That was the thing at dinner. They're talking.

00:19:53:17 - 00:19:56:02
Speaker 3
About practice. They're not about the business.

00:19:56:02 - 00:20:05:04
Speaker 2
I think that was a it became almost a little all consuming. And I just always knew I wanted it to be more than that. I want a team around me. I'm not there.

00:20:05:04 - 00:20:05:19
Speaker 3
Yeah, I'm.

00:20:05:21 - 00:20:06:18
Speaker 2
I'm kind of in the same.

00:20:06:18 - 00:20:07:11
Speaker 3
Boat they were where?

00:20:07:11 - 00:20:09:21
Speaker 2
It's like it's me and my wife, and, you know.

00:20:10:02 - 00:20:10:10
Speaker 3
We're.

00:20:10:15 - 00:20:11:17
Speaker 2
We're doing the thing by ourselves.

00:20:11:17 - 00:20:13:05
Speaker 3
But this the practice.

00:20:13:05 - 00:20:13:16
Speaker 2
I moved here.

00:20:13:16 - 00:20:16:01
Speaker 3
For showed me what the other side of that could look.

00:20:16:01 - 00:20:20:03
Speaker 2
Like. And it was working with the team, and it was showing up and getting.

00:20:20:05 - 00:20:21:23
Speaker 3
Each other riled up for the people.

00:20:21:23 - 00:20:26:07
Speaker 2
Were going to see and the people were going to help. And, yeah, being there for each other.

00:20:26:08 - 00:20:30:05
Speaker 3
And hey, you're expected to take two weeks off this year.

00:20:30:05 - 00:20:31:00
Speaker 2
Like, don't not.

00:20:31:00 - 00:20:33:03
Speaker 3
Take two weeks off this year. I go fill up your cup.

00:20:33:03 - 00:20:33:21
Speaker 2
Make sure when you come.

00:20:33:21 - 00:20:38:22
Speaker 3
Back you're ready to go. You're ready to be present for the people that need your presence.

00:20:39:00 - 00:20:40:18
Speaker 2
And so,

00:20:40:20 - 00:20:42:10
Speaker 3
Yeah, I got a I got a lot both.

00:20:42:10 - 00:20:43:10
Speaker 2
From my grandparents. And I got.

00:20:43:10 - 00:20:44:22
Speaker 3
A lot at this last practice I worked.

00:20:44:22 - 00:20:54:16
Speaker 2
Out here in Austin. That show me reconfirmed to me, like, where I am and where where I'm going and where I know what I want it to look like.

00:20:54:18 - 00:20:56:02
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:56:04 - 00:21:14:08
Speaker 1
It's funny, the lessons that I think we learn along the way is not always very obvious at the time. You know, as I hear you saying it to me, actually, the most incredible thing is, I mean, there's a lot of cool nuggets in there, but the one thing that stuck out to me, man, was like, because you're pretty young at the time, I would imagine.

00:21:14:08 - 00:21:15:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, it must have.

00:21:15:08 - 00:21:17:11
Speaker 2
Been, for some was.

00:21:17:11 - 00:21:19:00
Speaker 3
Born. Yeah. Two days.

00:21:19:00 - 00:21:19:09
Speaker 2
Before my.

00:21:19:09 - 00:21:20:22
Speaker 3
30th birthday, so I was 30.

00:21:21:00 - 00:21:27:13
Speaker 1
Yeah. So like, what amount? What an incredible man of.

00:21:27:15 - 00:21:48:16
Speaker 1
Reverence you had for your grandparents, too. Not. Not that I'm trying to say. Like Nick was a superhero in this thing, but I do think I think a lot of a lot of us would have acted very differently. And I think the fact that, you know, I don't know all the things going through your head, but I do think there are moments in your life you can look back and know that you can't take something back.

00:21:48:17 - 00:21:55:13
Speaker 1
And I recognize there's a lot of us, if we were put in that situation, if we were ever going to, even if our grandparents maybe weren't in the right.

00:21:55:19 - 00:21:56:01
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00:21:56:06 - 00:22:14:23
Speaker 1
The fact that you kind of had the wherewithal even to go, it's more important than to preserve my relationship with them than it is to try to right some wrong that may or may not even exist. That's pretty powerful, man. That's not something that I think a lot of us have a lot of insight on. Especially when you're young and you're young, you're a gunslinger your first year, right?

00:22:15:01 - 00:22:36:16
Speaker 1
The world owes you everything 100%. You know, it's not until later that wisdom comes. So pretty cool, man. I don't know, just from my perspective, it's, it's a thing, and I. Yeah, it's human. I mean, it's funny. It's also the thing that we, when we talk to owners quite a bit of, you know, you always have this word of caution of family businesses because they can be tricky.

00:22:36:18 - 00:22:45:22
Speaker 1
That generation in particular is tricky because there is this there's like no delineation behind what they do and who they are. You know, it's the same thing.

00:22:45:22 - 00:22:46:15
Speaker 2
It's the same thing. Yep.

00:22:46:21 - 00:23:03:18
Speaker 1
And so for them there's like a hyper personal, especially when someone, even if their own blood is coming into their house trying to figure that out, like how that balance is very much so. So when you decided, okay, move from letting you go, was that an immediate we're going to Texas or did that take a little while?

00:23:03:19 - 00:23:04:05
Speaker 1
It was.

00:23:04:05 - 00:23:07:15
Speaker 2
Fairly immediate. So that happened like right around January.

00:23:07:15 - 00:23:08:13
Speaker 3
First ish, I think.

00:23:08:13 - 00:23:09:10
Speaker 2
It was on maybe the second or.

00:23:09:10 - 00:23:13:02
Speaker 3
Third. And let's see, I started.

00:23:13:02 - 00:23:17:22
Speaker 2
In April and so it was four months to move to find out, you know, the.

00:23:17:22 - 00:23:19:18
Speaker 3
Practice. Like I said, I visited.

00:23:19:18 - 00:23:25:04
Speaker 2
Austin in March. I think I probably had that conversation in February to come March.

00:23:25:06 - 00:23:26:23
Speaker 3
So, yeah, it was, it was it was right away.

00:23:26:23 - 00:23:28:08
Speaker 2
It was, you know, are we going to.

00:23:28:08 - 00:23:29:07
Speaker 3
There was two spots at the.

00:23:29:07 - 00:23:31:05
Speaker 2
Time. We were we were looking at some point.

00:23:31:08 - 00:23:31:19
Speaker 3
Was like.

00:23:32:00 - 00:23:38:21
Speaker 2
I don't want to work in Fresno either right down the street from my grandpa or somewhere else in Fresno. Like, I don't want this, like, competition kind of thing. And.

00:23:38:23 - 00:23:43:18
Speaker 3
Well, if if that's not.

00:23:43:20 - 00:23:46:08
Speaker 2
What's going to come now, I need to open myself up.

00:23:46:08 - 00:23:46:19
Speaker 3
Bigger.

00:23:46:19 - 00:23:53:08
Speaker 2
Because I almost felt like, okay, well, maybe I was thinking small. I was born and raised here in Fresno. I thought I was going to practice my whole life. I, I really my whole.

00:23:53:08 - 00:23:55:04
Speaker 3
I start off at the very least.

00:23:55:06 - 00:23:55:19
Speaker 2
Here in Fresno.

00:23:55:19 - 00:23:57:11
Speaker 3
Fresno is a great place.

00:23:57:13 - 00:24:02:04
Speaker 2
And now that that opened up, I allowed myself to further open up and say, oh, okay. Or where?

00:24:02:05 - 00:24:03:10
Speaker 3
Where else could I go?

00:24:03:10 - 00:24:09:21
Speaker 2
Where, you know? And I started looking around and it was either, Coeur d'Alene, not Iowa.

00:24:09:23 - 00:24:10:10
Speaker 3
Idaho.

00:24:10:15 - 00:24:11:04
Speaker 2
Coeur d'Alene.

00:24:11:06 - 00:24:12:09
Speaker 3
We really. Yeah, yeah.

00:24:12:12 - 00:24:14:09
Speaker 1
When you said Coeur d'Alene, I was like like Idaho.

00:24:14:11 - 00:24:17:01
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. So it was either it was either.

00:24:17:01 - 00:24:18:23
Speaker 1
There was a shop there or you're like.

00:24:19:02 - 00:24:21:15
Speaker 2
Just another buddy of mine who I went to school with.

00:24:21:15 - 00:24:24:12
Speaker 3
His brother had a place there. Okay. So I.

00:24:24:12 - 00:24:30:14
Speaker 2
You know, once when things went down, I was kind of feeling things out. I just put out some feelers. Yeah. And, so that was one that popped up.

00:24:30:16 - 00:24:34:14
Speaker 1
But by the way, I realize I'm calling it a shop. That's probably not the right. You probably call it different things.

00:24:34:14 - 00:24:37:03
Speaker 3
I've heard, practice a shop.

00:24:37:05 - 00:24:41:01
Speaker 1
I like to get bigger. See? Like you're working on people. Like working on cars. Yeah.

00:24:41:01 - 00:24:41:12
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's like.

00:24:41:12 - 00:24:42:00
Speaker 2
A body mechanic.

00:24:42:00 - 00:24:44:11
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's kind of why I go shop, but I.

00:24:44:11 - 00:24:48:02
Speaker 2
Never, never, never, never told anybody to, you know, jump on the, the.

00:24:48:03 - 00:24:52:22
Speaker 3
The, what did you have on the job or. Nothing like that. Yeah.

00:24:53:00 - 00:24:55:08
Speaker 1
But so Coeur d'Alene or Austin.

00:24:55:08 - 00:24:56:07
Speaker 2
Coeur d'Alene or Austin and.

00:24:56:07 - 00:24:58:07
Speaker 1
Your buddy told you? Did you know?

00:24:58:08 - 00:24:59:20
Speaker 3
So I had set up to to visit both.

00:24:59:20 - 00:25:05:15
Speaker 2
And I and I and I came and I visited Austin, and that was, and I don't, you know, I don't want to get too much into that.

00:25:05:19 - 00:25:06:06
Speaker 3
Had to it.

00:25:06:06 - 00:25:11:14
Speaker 2
Too much a life and attention and energy flow that way. But that was March 2020. And so I was.

00:25:11:14 - 00:25:12:03
Speaker 3
I was here.

00:25:12:03 - 00:25:12:11
Speaker 2
When things.

00:25:12:11 - 00:25:13:04
Speaker 3
Started.

00:25:13:06 - 00:25:13:13
Speaker 1
Shutting.

00:25:13:13 - 00:25:18:08
Speaker 2
Down, and I decided to stay another day or two because that's what I originally had planned. Yeah. And when I flew back, you know, the.

00:25:18:08 - 00:25:18:23
Speaker 3
Whole all the.

00:25:18:23 - 00:25:25:18
Speaker 2
Shutdowns started happening. And so I was already kind of naturally not really going to happen as far as the travel is concerned. But even even.

00:25:25:23 - 00:25:27:03
Speaker 3
Regardless of that.

00:25:27:05 - 00:25:30:07
Speaker 2
I called my wife and I was here and I was like, you know.

00:25:30:09 - 00:25:34:00
Speaker 3
This really feels like this feels like the right spot. We got to be.

00:25:34:01 - 00:25:35:15
Speaker 2
Feeling the calling here.

00:25:35:17 - 00:25:36:18
Speaker 3
And she's like, well, like.

00:25:36:18 - 00:25:37:20
Speaker 2
Let's I'm open to that.

00:25:38:01 - 00:25:38:19
Speaker 3
Let's pray about.

00:25:38:19 - 00:25:39:20
Speaker 2
It. Let's see where God wants to lead.

00:25:39:20 - 00:25:40:10
Speaker 3
Us.

00:25:40:12 - 00:25:45:09
Speaker 2
And got back home. And it was like, you know, we always we'll pray for and we still do this today when we have the wherewithal.

00:25:45:09 - 00:25:46:02
Speaker 3
To do it.

00:25:46:04 - 00:25:48:17
Speaker 2
Is, you know, not only praying for the right things to happen.

00:25:48:23 - 00:25:52:07
Speaker 3
But the, the doors that we're not supposed to walk through to close. Yeah.

00:25:52:08 - 00:25:56:16
Speaker 2
Okay. And right at that time, the world closed down. And I don't think it happened for that reason.

00:25:56:16 - 00:25:57:06
Speaker 3
But that was.

00:25:57:06 - 00:25:58:18
Speaker 2
That was one of those things where I was.

00:25:58:18 - 00:25:59:21
Speaker 3
Like.

00:25:59:22 - 00:26:00:23
Speaker 2
We're not even going to now go.

00:26:00:23 - 00:26:01:23
Speaker 3
Visit the other practice.

00:26:01:23 - 00:26:03:01
Speaker 2
And I already knew this.

00:26:03:01 - 00:26:03:16
Speaker 3
Was the practice.

00:26:03:21 - 00:26:04:13
Speaker 2
And Austin was.

00:26:04:13 - 00:26:05:11
Speaker 3
The place for us.

00:26:05:13 - 00:26:08:03
Speaker 2
And so we knew and had packed our.

00:26:08:05 - 00:26:09:02
Speaker 3
Our two dogs.

00:26:09:02 - 00:26:11:15
Speaker 2
And my newborn son in and.

00:26:11:20 - 00:26:16:21
Speaker 3
Made the 24 hour trip out here to good old Austin, Texas, baby. Yeah.

00:26:16:21 - 00:26:21:23
Speaker 1
And that, that trip, once you hit the Texas border, you drove here?

00:26:21:23 - 00:26:22:06
Speaker 3
Yes.

00:26:22:06 - 00:26:39:08
Speaker 1
We did. You think like. Oh, yeah, man, in five hours, I should be in Austin eight hours later. Yeah, yeah. Like, am I still in Texas? Yeah. How am I still driving? Yeah. So tell me about how how long did you spend in with. You're working with your buddy there? What part here in main Austin or.

00:26:39:09 - 00:26:47:11
Speaker 3
Yeah, it was, it was, it was like south south central Austin. Yeah. A little over three years. Okay. Yep. And it was really cool. He was.

00:26:47:11 - 00:26:53:04
Speaker 2
He was when I joined as him and another chiropractor I went to school with. And we were all just slightly different semesters.

00:26:53:04 - 00:26:54:14
Speaker 3
So like, we knew of each other, we.

00:26:54:14 - 00:26:55:13
Speaker 2
Didn't necessarily hang out.

00:26:55:13 - 00:26:56:00
Speaker 3
At school, but.

00:26:56:00 - 00:26:56:14
Speaker 2
Like, we knew who each.

00:26:56:14 - 00:26:57:12
Speaker 3
Other were.

00:26:57:14 - 00:26:58:05
Speaker 2
And, it.

00:26:58:05 - 00:26:59:07
Speaker 3
Was it started off as.

00:26:59:07 - 00:27:01:22
Speaker 2
The main owner. It was him. Then he hired.

00:27:01:22 - 00:27:02:22
Speaker 3
The other guy. The other guy was.

00:27:02:22 - 00:27:06:09
Speaker 2
There maybe about a year, and then they hired me and it was. And I was there.

00:27:06:09 - 00:27:07:02
Speaker 3
For three years.

00:27:07:02 - 00:27:12:01
Speaker 2
And there, you know, I kind of joke, but I don't think it's a coincidence either.

00:27:12:03 - 00:27:15:23
Speaker 3
The three years we were, the three years I was there, the practice we.

00:27:16:01 - 00:27:21:15
Speaker 2
Won, best and, number one chiropractic office in Austin, according to Austin Magazine, which.

00:27:21:21 - 00:27:23:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's great that people.

00:27:23:06 - 00:27:24:10
Speaker 2
Voting and considering.

00:27:24:10 - 00:27:26:19
Speaker 3
Different practices. And so it was a it was a it.

00:27:26:19 - 00:27:28:17
Speaker 2
Was a pop in practice. I learned a lot from there.

00:27:28:17 - 00:27:29:23
Speaker 3
I'm so grateful for it.

00:27:30:01 - 00:27:34:13
Speaker 2
And ultimately, that wasn't what was for me either.

00:27:34:15 - 00:27:40:05
Speaker 1
What was the thought process there behind deciding to go off on your own? Yeah. And start your own.

00:27:40:06 - 00:27:41:13
Speaker 2
There was I mean, there was a couple of them.

00:27:41:13 - 00:27:49:04
Speaker 3
One was this is a good step, right? This is a good I just I just graduated.

00:27:49:05 - 00:27:54:12
Speaker 2
I didn't get the mentorship I thought I was going to get from my grandparents. And so I'm not.

00:27:54:12 - 00:27:54:22
Speaker 3
Ready.

00:27:55:01 - 00:27:57:02
Speaker 2
To go straight into business for myself.

00:27:57:04 - 00:27:58:03
Speaker 3
Like, let's go work.

00:27:58:03 - 00:27:59:08
Speaker 2
With somebody else, going to.

00:27:59:08 - 00:27:59:23
Speaker 3
See what.

00:27:59:23 - 00:28:02:02
Speaker 2
Things are going on and ways to.

00:28:02:02 - 00:28:05:11
Speaker 3
Practice. And, so really grateful.

00:28:05:11 - 00:28:10:10
Speaker 2
That I had that. And then and then some of the, the, the motions toward that was.

00:28:10:12 - 00:28:11:11
Speaker 3
We.

00:28:11:11 - 00:28:12:03
Speaker 2
When I was working for.

00:28:12:03 - 00:28:12:15
Speaker 3
That practice, I was.

00:28:12:15 - 00:28:20:19
Speaker 2
Right here, like in East Austin, not too far away. But we wanted we wanted a house. And, so we ended up buying a house up in Leander.

00:28:20:21 - 00:28:22:01
Speaker 3
Just north of Cedar Park, which is.

00:28:22:01 - 00:28:26:02
Speaker 2
Just north of Austin. And so I was commuting, you know, 45 minutes when there was no.

00:28:26:02 - 00:28:27:05
Speaker 3
Traffic.

00:28:27:07 - 00:28:28:02
Speaker 2
Hour, 25.

00:28:28:03 - 00:28:28:16
Speaker 3
Or 30.

00:28:28:16 - 00:28:29:10
Speaker 2
When when there was.

00:28:29:10 - 00:28:30:10
Speaker 3
Traffic.

00:28:30:12 - 00:28:32:05
Speaker 2
Which became a little unsustainable.

00:28:32:07 - 00:28:34:03
Speaker 3
I knew the goal was always.

00:28:34:05 - 00:28:39:20
Speaker 2
On my own spot work for myself. Yeah. You know, kind of pursue that dream.

00:28:39:22 - 00:28:42:08
Speaker 3
And, yeah, there was a.

00:28:42:08 - 00:28:44:14
Speaker 2
Lot being asked of me.

00:28:44:16 - 00:28:47:18
Speaker 3
As far as, like, build this practice, build this practice, use your.

00:28:47:18 - 00:28:48:16
Speaker 2
Weekends.

00:28:48:18 - 00:28:49:19
Speaker 3
To go out, to go.

00:28:49:19 - 00:28:50:20
Speaker 2
To events.

00:28:50:22 - 00:28:52:04
Speaker 3
That sort of stuff.

00:28:52:06 - 00:28:58:23
Speaker 2
And I was just like, okay. And I was doing some of those things, and I and it was like, but if I'm out here and I'm using my weekends and I'm using my off.

00:28:58:23 - 00:28:59:21
Speaker 3
Hours.

00:28:59:23 - 00:29:02:10
Speaker 2
And I'm building a business.

00:29:02:12 - 00:29:03:14
Speaker 3
With no real.

00:29:03:14 - 00:29:09:04
Speaker 2
Website, I'm still an employee. I talked to, you know, the owner, my buddy at the time, and they're just like, now he's like.

00:29:09:06 - 00:29:10:17
Speaker 3
That's there's.

00:29:10:19 - 00:29:11:10
Speaker 2
In more or less.

00:29:11:10 - 00:29:12:00
Speaker 3
Words.

00:29:12:02 - 00:29:24:01
Speaker 2
There's really no advancement. I'm not looking to share ownership of this practice, more or less words. And so it was just like, well, time is now then. And so we split ways. And I opened up my own practice.

00:29:24:01 - 00:29:24:21
Speaker 3
Shortly after that.

00:29:24:21 - 00:29:27:18
Speaker 2
And now looking back.

00:29:27:19 - 00:29:30:18
Speaker 1
How, how long have you all been in business now?

00:29:30:18 - 00:29:32:23
Speaker 3
Just over two years. April was there. Two years.

00:29:33:01 - 00:29:40:07
Speaker 1
Was there ever thought about finding a shop that was already running, or did you go? No. Has to be scratch or nothing.

00:29:40:07 - 00:29:41:21
Speaker 3
Yeah, it was a little bit of it has.

00:29:41:21 - 00:29:42:18
Speaker 2
To be scratch or nothing.

00:29:42:20 - 00:29:43:20
Speaker 1
What was the thought behind that. Yeah.

00:29:43:20 - 00:29:48:02
Speaker 3
So one of the thoughts was. I have a.

00:29:48:02 - 00:29:49:08
Speaker 2
Firm foundation in.

00:29:49:08 - 00:29:51:07
Speaker 3
Chiropractic because.

00:29:51:07 - 00:29:53:11
Speaker 2
I was born and raised in it. My grandpa.

00:29:53:11 - 00:29:54:12
Speaker 3
I have a lot of just.

00:29:54:17 - 00:29:55:11
Speaker 2
Good memories of.

00:29:55:11 - 00:29:56:04
Speaker 3
It. I've.

00:29:56:04 - 00:29:57:06
Speaker 2
Seen some really.

00:29:57:06 - 00:30:00:16
Speaker 3
Solid ways to run a practice, but the old school.

00:30:00:16 - 00:30:03:03
Speaker 2
Way where my grandpa and he's still practicing today, I think.

00:30:03:03 - 00:30:07:08
Speaker 3
He's at like 58 years of being a chiropractor. It's it's just got to.

00:30:07:08 - 00:30:10:16
Speaker 2
Be darn near a record if it's not already. Okay. And so.

00:30:10:16 - 00:30:11:21
Speaker 3
Like, that's a really cool.

00:30:11:21 - 00:30:14:04
Speaker 2
Sustainable way to do it. And then I saw another.

00:30:14:04 - 00:30:15:20
Speaker 3
Successful way to do it.

00:30:15:22 - 00:30:34:12
Speaker 2
And I just couldn't fathom jumping into another one where I had somebody telling me when I was going to spend my weekends, when I wasn't going to spend my weekends, emails to answer someone else to answer to. Okay. And I was like, man, I just can't go learn someone else's systems, potentially learn someone.

00:30:34:12 - 00:30:36:03
Speaker 3
Else's scripts, which like, that.

00:30:36:03 - 00:30:37:03
Speaker 2
Can be a thing in a lot of.

00:30:37:03 - 00:30:37:11
Speaker 3
Health.

00:30:37:17 - 00:30:39:02
Speaker 2
Care and chiropractic.

00:30:39:02 - 00:30:40:10
Speaker 3
Is like scripts like, well, this is what.

00:30:40:10 - 00:30:41:08
Speaker 2
You say to somebody on day one.

00:30:41:08 - 00:30:41:22
Speaker 3
This is what you say.

00:30:41:22 - 00:30:42:21
Speaker 2
To somebody on day two.

00:30:42:21 - 00:30:46:04
Speaker 3
And it feels very clunky to me.

00:30:46:04 - 00:30:50:20
Speaker 2
And I just knew I didn't want any part of that. And neither my grandma, my grandpa or.

00:30:50:20 - 00:30:52:10
Speaker 3
The slash says that did that.

00:30:52:12 - 00:31:09:22
Speaker 2
And even just the chance of like doing that or getting in with another practice and having other people to answer to and already feeling like, like I'm good at what I do. And I have now seen two successful businesses run. What else would I be waiting for in order to start my own thing? And it was another one of those things we prayed about and it was like, and so we're like.

00:31:09:22 - 00:31:10:11
Speaker 3
Let's just start.

00:31:10:11 - 00:31:12:03
Speaker 2
Looking. Let's look into this process.

00:31:12:03 - 00:31:14:00
Speaker 3
And what would this process be like?

00:31:14:02 - 00:31:14:18
Speaker 2
And so and we.

00:31:14:18 - 00:31:16:23
Speaker 3
Just started taking one step after the other.

00:31:17:00 - 00:31:20:01
Speaker 2
And at the time we had my my now middle.

00:31:20:01 - 00:31:21:10
Speaker 3
Boy Josiah.

00:31:21:12 - 00:31:24:04
Speaker 2
Maddox, firstborn, Josiah the second, and he.

00:31:24:04 - 00:31:25:07
Speaker 3
Was, about.

00:31:25:07 - 00:31:31:10
Speaker 2
Six months at that time in that transition. And, yeah, it.

00:31:31:10 - 00:31:33:08
Speaker 3
Was just like, this is this is.

00:31:33:08 - 00:31:53:19
Speaker 2
Always the dream. Like, let's just do it. There's nothing left to learn. There's always more to learn. I'm sure there's nothing else I'm going to see that's going. There's no reason to procrastinate this any longer. It's going it might be difficult. We don't have a bunch in the savings. We had very little in the savings. We got a young family, but we know, you know, God, when I put in my heart and we want to be here, and he's not going to bring us this.

00:31:53:19 - 00:31:54:12
Speaker 3
Far.

00:31:54:14 - 00:31:57:06
Speaker 2
Just to bring us this far, like we can't fail.

00:31:57:08 - 00:32:21:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. What's the mine? What's the thing you hold on to as you're trying to provide for a family? That's a thought. I hear a lot of folks who want to get and start doing something for themselves, own their own business. And typically the thing that they'll retreat back to is benefits and steady paycheck.

00:32:21:10 - 00:32:22:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:32:22:14 - 00:32:27:17
Speaker 1
How did you muster up the energy to just still do it? Either way, it sounds like face a big part of that faith.

00:32:27:17 - 00:32:28:00
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:32:28:06 - 00:32:43:13
Speaker 1
But also, I imagine, is there something else that I mean? You're staring at these two little dots. Yeah. You know, at the time. And your wife. I'm just curious. Like, what was the thing that made you feel secure in that?

00:32:43:14 - 00:32:44:00
Speaker 3
A lot of.

00:32:44:00 - 00:32:48:15
Speaker 2
Trust in, like, we mentioned, God and a lot of trust in in myself. Like, I'm one of those.

00:32:48:15 - 00:32:49:12
Speaker 3
Guys where.

00:32:49:14 - 00:32:51:07
Speaker 2
When I, when I put my mind to.

00:32:51:07 - 00:32:51:19
Speaker 3
It, I will.

00:32:51:19 - 00:32:54:17
Speaker 2
Get the thing done. I've done very hard things before.

00:32:54:17 - 00:32:57:18
Speaker 3
Chiropractic school is no slouch. Like it's a, it's a.

00:32:57:20 - 00:33:06:20
Speaker 2
It's like two times a full time, load where you know, we're doing it is a big program. And so I've done that. I've done hard things in the.

00:33:06:20 - 00:33:07:17
Speaker 3
World like 75.

00:33:07:17 - 00:33:11:19
Speaker 2
Hard. I've done that multiple times. And so it's like when I put my mind to something.

00:33:11:19 - 00:33:14:03
Speaker 3
I can do it. And if it's worth.

00:33:14:03 - 00:33:17:17
Speaker 2
Getting and I want it bad enough.

00:33:17:19 - 00:33:19:02
Speaker 3
Track record shows, I.

00:33:19:02 - 00:33:31:08
Speaker 2
Can get it. It might hurt, it might suck. There might be some times where, you know, some doubt definitely creeps in. But I can see the end goal and I know I'll get to it. And so it was, it was it's one of those things where.

00:33:31:10 - 00:33:32:19
Speaker 3
There's I could put words.

00:33:32:19 - 00:33:33:18
Speaker 2
To it, and everything I just said is.

00:33:33:18 - 00:33:34:09
Speaker 3
True.

00:33:34:11 - 00:33:35:01
Speaker 2
And it was.

00:33:35:01 - 00:33:35:14
Speaker 3
Literally.

00:33:35:14 - 00:33:39:22
Speaker 2
Feeling the momentum.

00:33:39:23 - 00:33:41:13
Speaker 3
Of, of those decisions.

00:33:41:13 - 00:33:53:17
Speaker 2
Like feeling into those decisions. And it just feels right. It's like when you hear the truth or when you hear a lie, sometimes in your body, you can kind of hear like a lie, kind of stirring up and constricts you a little bit. And sometimes when you just hear truth and you didn't even necessarily know, just like, man.

00:33:53:21 - 00:33:54:11
Speaker 3
You just.

00:33:54:13 - 00:33:55:06
Speaker 2
Are opens up.

00:33:55:06 - 00:33:56:04
Speaker 3
I feel that is.

00:33:56:04 - 00:34:03:23
Speaker 2
The truth. I know that's the truth. We started talking about owning our own place. We started talking about doing our own thing. What were you going to name it, what it was going to look like, all those things.

00:34:04:01 - 00:34:09:00
Speaker 3
And it was just like, this feels right, this feels right. And so it just trusting.

00:34:09:02 - 00:34:10:03
Speaker 1
Has it turned out.

00:34:10:05 - 00:34:10:17
Speaker 2
Good, man.

00:34:10:17 - 00:34:12:03
Speaker 3
Good. So like we're still.

00:34:12:08 - 00:34:18:21
Speaker 2
We're still in the messy, the messy beginning, the messy middle. But it's going good.

00:34:18:23 - 00:34:22:16
Speaker 1
Is your wife in it with you or is she work somewhere else and do something so.

00:34:22:16 - 00:34:23:03
Speaker 3
She'll help a.

00:34:23:03 - 00:34:28:00
Speaker 2
Lot with some of, like, the logistics sometimes, you know, like somebody sent an email. Sure. Just go ahead and answer that for me.

00:34:28:00 - 00:34:31:08
Speaker 3
Yeah. What's what's really cool is like, the software we use is.

00:34:31:08 - 00:34:33:01
Speaker 2
Called the Gaon app. And so what's.

00:34:33:01 - 00:34:33:21
Speaker 3
Cool is.

00:34:33:23 - 00:34:35:14
Speaker 2
I don't necessarily yet need a front.

00:34:35:14 - 00:34:36:22
Speaker 3
Desk staff.

00:34:37:00 - 00:34:42:05
Speaker 2
People can literally log in, see my availability, put themselves on it. If they're a new patient, they see on my.

00:34:42:05 - 00:34:43:23
Speaker 3
Website, click the schedule, put.

00:34:43:23 - 00:34:45:20
Speaker 2
Themselves on very few times do people.

00:34:45:20 - 00:34:48:02
Speaker 3
Call in you it routes right.

00:34:48:02 - 00:34:50:14
Speaker 2
To mine or her phone. It routes to me first. If I don't pick up in a.

00:34:50:14 - 00:34:52:15
Speaker 3
Couple calls it gets to her. So yeah, like she helps out.

00:34:52:15 - 00:35:00:22
Speaker 2
She'll be on the phones a little bit here and there, help with scheduling here and there, but nothing like in person in the office right now. It's it's a little bit of a one man show.

00:35:00:22 - 00:35:03:06
Speaker 3
Yeah. So she helps.

00:35:03:06 - 00:35:04:08
Speaker 2
Out a lot on the logistics.

00:35:04:08 - 00:35:09:05
Speaker 3
We joke. She's she's my secretary. But yeah, it's it's hers.

00:35:09:05 - 00:35:15:19
Speaker 2
And I's together, and I'm the one who shows up every day on the chiropractor in an office, and I'm. I'm the I'm the guy right now.

00:35:15:21 - 00:35:33:11
Speaker 1
When you were in the early days of getting this thing going over, I mean, just what are the things going through your head like, I'm going to I'm going to keep this practice mobile. I need to find a location. Like, where were the first 2 to 3 building blocks that you're like, all right, if I'm going to do this, this is gets me to be official, right?

00:35:33:16 - 00:35:35:10
Speaker 3
Totally. So it was like.

00:35:35:10 - 00:35:36:01
Speaker 2
A brick and mortar.

00:35:36:01 - 00:35:36:23
Speaker 3
Location. I knew.

00:35:36:23 - 00:35:37:21
Speaker 2
I didn't want to run.

00:35:37:21 - 00:35:38:08
Speaker 3
Mobile.

00:35:38:08 - 00:35:55:14
Speaker 2
The logistics in my head just didn't make sense. Between travel and Austin and traffic. And, you know, I'm very I like to be concise on time. I don't like to be late. And especially when it's something like a business or something like, I didn't want to, you know, oh, traffic and I'm here 30 minutes late, which means I'm 30 minutes late on my next person and my next person, the next person.

00:35:55:14 - 00:35:57:00
Speaker 2
So I knew.

00:35:57:02 - 00:35:58:08
Speaker 3
Like the priority practices had.

00:35:58:08 - 00:36:00:18
Speaker 2
Been, I wanted a location.

00:36:00:20 - 00:36:01:13
Speaker 3
And so right.

00:36:01:13 - 00:36:05:20
Speaker 2
Like, right now, even still, I'm renting a room out of like, kind of like an office condominium area.

00:36:05:23 - 00:36:07:02
Speaker 3
Or there's other offices there.

00:36:07:02 - 00:36:14:02
Speaker 2
I don't have my own building with my own sign out front, but I got my sign on the door. People know right where to find me. And so, yeah, we.

00:36:14:02 - 00:36:15:13
Speaker 3
Just looked close to Austin.

00:36:15:13 - 00:36:16:12
Speaker 2
Knowing that.

00:36:16:14 - 00:36:19:14
Speaker 3
I'd built up, like I said, I'd been there three years. Successful practice.

00:36:19:20 - 00:36:21:12
Speaker 2
Made some friends, was on.

00:36:21:12 - 00:36:22:03
Speaker 3
YouTube.

00:36:22:09 - 00:36:26:10
Speaker 2
Was on Instagram decently known in the community. You know, I'd go out, we'd go.

00:36:26:10 - 00:36:27:03
Speaker 3
To workouts.

00:36:27:03 - 00:36:28:06
Speaker 2
You know.

00:36:28:08 - 00:36:30:18
Speaker 3
So social socialization going on.

00:36:30:18 - 00:36:32:01
Speaker 2
And just like I'd met enough.

00:36:32:01 - 00:36:33:15
Speaker 3
People where I was like, okay.

00:36:33:17 - 00:36:35:07
Speaker 2
This transition needs to happen fast.

00:36:35:07 - 00:36:35:19
Speaker 3
Like I have some.

00:36:35:19 - 00:36:39:06
Speaker 2
People that have even communicated to me during this transition, like they want to continue to.

00:36:39:06 - 00:36:40:01
Speaker 3
See me.

00:36:40:03 - 00:36:40:17
Speaker 2
Right? And so I was.

00:36:40:17 - 00:36:44:11
Speaker 3
Like, okay, well, we need to do that now before six months goes by.

00:36:44:11 - 00:36:46:19
Speaker 2
And like, that's not forefront of people's thoughts.

00:36:47:00 - 00:36:47:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:36:47:08 - 00:36:50:17
Speaker 2
And so man, it was something like 13 or 14 days.

00:36:50:17 - 00:36:52:09
Speaker 3
After the last.

00:36:52:09 - 00:36:53:16
Speaker 2
Doctor and I.

00:36:53:16 - 00:36:57:16
Speaker 3
Decided to split ways. 14 days later we had our LLC.

00:36:57:18 - 00:37:01:18
Speaker 2
We had our logo made from a friend we knew we had found the location.

00:37:01:18 - 00:37:02:23
Speaker 3
We'd put our first.

00:37:02:23 - 00:37:06:16
Speaker 2
Deposit down after the races, and we were off to the.

00:37:06:16 - 00:37:07:01
Speaker 3
Races.

00:37:07:01 - 00:37:08:19
Speaker 1
Did you have folks coming in that first day?

00:37:08:19 - 00:37:10:21
Speaker 3
Yeah, we did, we did, yeah we did.

00:37:10:21 - 00:37:14:22
Speaker 1
So was it more or less about what you expected?

00:37:15:00 - 00:37:16:01
Speaker 3
Probably less.

00:37:16:01 - 00:37:16:09
Speaker 2
Than I.

00:37:16:09 - 00:37:18:07
Speaker 3
Expected. The first.

00:37:18:07 - 00:37:19:10
Speaker 2
Day and even the first.

00:37:19:10 - 00:37:25:09
Speaker 3
Week or two, it was those people that said, hey, like, you're so great, I love you as a person. I love being a chiropractor.

00:37:25:09 - 00:37:26:18
Speaker 2
Like, I want to follow you. I want to support.

00:37:26:18 - 00:37:31:19
Speaker 3
You kind of thing. And so it was about, you know, it was I think it was just those people the first couple weeks.

00:37:31:21 - 00:37:39:11
Speaker 2
And then it was, you know, as things I'm still doing, going to events, going to workouts, going to gyms, word of mouth from the people who have seen me.

00:37:39:13 - 00:37:41:00
Speaker 3
To grow the practice.

00:37:41:02 - 00:37:43:00
Speaker 2
But yeah, in the beginning it was.

00:37:43:02 - 00:37:44:07
Speaker 3
Just the loyal crew.

00:37:44:09 - 00:37:48:00
Speaker 2
Friends, family and acquaintances who wanted to continue seeing me.

00:37:48:02 - 00:37:54:22
Speaker 1
On a full day. Like, what is a full day look like? How many folks a day just to get, like, what were you seeing in the first week? And yes, I was a full day. And I mean.

00:37:54:22 - 00:37:55:18
Speaker 3
The first week I.

00:37:55:18 - 00:37:58:00
Speaker 2
Had, you know, pop in and maybe see 1 or 2.

00:37:58:04 - 00:38:07:18
Speaker 3
Yeah, three. Like would be like, wow. Like cool. Yeah. But at the same time, some self-judgment around that time, even though, like, yes, I know logistically, I just started a business.

00:38:07:18 - 00:38:08:19
Speaker 2
Of course, I'm not going to be.

00:38:08:19 - 00:38:10:03
Speaker 3
As busy as I was.

00:38:10:04 - 00:38:17:18
Speaker 2
But coming from the practice, I was right here smack dab in the middle of Austin, having just one Austin based in Austin, you know, three years in a row. I was used to seeing to answer.

00:38:17:18 - 00:38:18:07
Speaker 3
A part of your.

00:38:18:07 - 00:38:20:19
Speaker 2
Question, you know, 20 to.

00:38:20:19 - 00:38:21:05
Speaker 3
40.

00:38:21:10 - 00:38:21:22
Speaker 2
In a day.

00:38:21:22 - 00:38:22:19
Speaker 1
By yourself.

00:38:22:19 - 00:38:25:07
Speaker 2
By myself. That's probably more than that.

00:38:25:13 - 00:38:30:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Okay. So this is a big swing for you. Just a very big swing.

00:38:30:01 - 00:38:31:08
Speaker 3
It was muscle memory. Yes.

00:38:31:08 - 00:38:33:07
Speaker 2
I would get home after that and be.

00:38:33:07 - 00:38:38:07
Speaker 3
Kind of exhausted. Right. Energetically exhausted like I just had. Let's pick middle of the road.

00:38:38:07 - 00:38:46:07
Speaker 2
I just had 30 conversation with people. Some highs, some lows. So the nature of my business is like sometimes you'll see people on their best day. Most of the time it's kind of just.

00:38:46:07 - 00:38:47:06
Speaker 3
Their average day.

00:38:47:08 - 00:38:55:16
Speaker 2
And sometimes you'll see people on their worst day and some days can be heavy and sometimes they can stack together. And so after dealing with 30 people's energy and and.

00:38:55:21 - 00:38:58:00
Speaker 3
The physicality of being a chiropractor, two.

00:38:58:00 - 00:39:03:23
Speaker 2
Right. Like I'm rolling people over, I'm getting my hands and, you know, behind their back and all that stuff.

00:39:04:01 - 00:39:05:02
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:39:05:04 - 00:39:05:21
Speaker 2
And then so to.

00:39:05:21 - 00:39:06:07
Speaker 3
Switch.

00:39:06:07 - 00:39:10:18
Speaker 2
From something that I had been training for and like, loving genuinely like I made that sound like.

00:39:10:18 - 00:39:11:08
Speaker 3
Oh, like I was.

00:39:11:08 - 00:39:12:02
Speaker 2
Tired and worn out.

00:39:12:03 - 00:39:12:13
Speaker 3
It's like.

00:39:12:18 - 00:39:13:07
Speaker 2
There's some truth.

00:39:13:07 - 00:39:13:14
Speaker 3
To that.

00:39:13:14 - 00:39:16:19
Speaker 2
But I was also making sure I was recuperating and we had time off and all that stuff.

00:39:17:00 - 00:39:18:04
Speaker 3
But I liked that.

00:39:18:05 - 00:39:22:23
Speaker 2
Like, I liked being around that many people and like, feeling used and feeling.

00:39:23:01 - 00:39:29:17
Speaker 3
And even busy just being used. Yeah, right. To then go to. Okay, I have this talent.

00:39:29:17 - 00:39:30:06
Speaker 2
I'm good at.

00:39:30:06 - 00:39:31:18
Speaker 3
What I do. We have this.

00:39:31:18 - 00:39:32:13
Speaker 2
Business.

00:39:32:15 - 00:39:33:21
Speaker 3
I have overhead.

00:39:33:21 - 00:39:38:19
Speaker 2
To me, as far as my business is concerned. And I own a home and, you know, mortgages.

00:39:38:19 - 00:39:39:03
Speaker 3
Due at the end.

00:39:39:03 - 00:39:40:14
Speaker 2
Of the month and I got mouths.

00:39:40:14 - 00:39:50:06
Speaker 3
To feed, etc., etc., etc.. Wow. I saw seven people this week. How is this going to start making sense? Yeah, this.

00:39:50:08 - 00:39:50:18
Speaker 2
This isn't.

00:39:50:18 - 00:39:53:08
Speaker 3
Making sense. And so.

00:39:53:12 - 00:39:56:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, the first couple months we were quickly doing dwindling.

00:39:56:12 - 00:40:00:17
Speaker 3
Through a lot of our reserves.

00:40:00:19 - 00:40:04:20
Speaker 2
But, one of the principles I heard early on that I'm still sticking by and stick by.

00:40:04:20 - 00:40:05:09
Speaker 3
It for a while.

00:40:05:09 - 00:40:12:23
Speaker 2
Is, might be small enough. Long enough. It'll be big enough soon enough. So I'm not worried about getting the flashy.

00:40:12:23 - 00:40:13:22
Speaker 3
Place with the.

00:40:13:22 - 00:40:14:23
Speaker 2
Sign out front.

00:40:15:01 - 00:40:15:16
Speaker 3
Right where people are.

00:40:15:16 - 00:40:21:08
Speaker 2
Driving by. And I'm not worried about having, you know, three chiropractors and where I'm barely. And I got.

00:40:21:08 - 00:40:28:21
Speaker 3
A paid three other people salaries that we'll get there. I'll get there right now. Like, let's keep the overhead low.

00:40:28:23 - 00:40:39:18
Speaker 2
And let's make sure, you know, we're taken. At the end of the day, we're solving problem. Like, what is the business, you know? Yeah, making money is a part of it. But I'm not in business to make money. I'm here to solve a problem.

00:40:39:18 - 00:40:43:02
Speaker 3
And I have a gift to give people. It's the art of chiropractic. It's the art.

00:40:43:02 - 00:40:43:23
Speaker 2
Of listening to.

00:40:43:23 - 00:40:44:14
Speaker 3
What is the problem.

00:40:44:14 - 00:40:53:23
Speaker 2
Discovering what the problem is, addressing that in the office, and potentially advising and lifestyle choices. And so.

00:40:54:01 - 00:40:54:23
Speaker 3
Yeah, let's just.

00:40:55:01 - 00:40:57:17
Speaker 2
Take care of the things that we can take care of, which is one like, let's just make.

00:40:57:17 - 00:40:58:10
Speaker 3
Sure the.

00:40:58:10 - 00:41:01:23
Speaker 2
Services on point and then I'll.

00:41:02:01 - 00:41:03:21
Speaker 3
We'll grow as we go. Yeah, yeah.

00:41:03:21 - 00:41:21:23
Speaker 1
It's a good mindset to have. I think a lot of folks do get a little too fancy, too quick and get in trouble, you know. Do you find that your. How important is it to have your family align with that as well? You know, the hey, man, it's going to have to be lean and mean for a while.

00:41:21:23 - 00:41:23:10
Speaker 3
Yeah, 100%.

00:41:23:12 - 00:41:26:12
Speaker 2
Is very important. Very important.

00:41:26:14 - 00:41:41:11
Speaker 1
Do you feel like you boys even notice? They they even know that you're. And I have no idea what your life is, but I reckon that you and your wife are probably keeping that chat group tight, like any good owner is, like, even with the personal expenses. Like, hey, are we keeping things where they need to be?

00:41:41:11 - 00:41:42:19
Speaker 1
Yeah. And keep going for, like, we're.

00:41:42:19 - 00:41:46:12
Speaker 2
Staying pretty strict on a budget and, you know, I don't think.

00:41:46:12 - 00:41:49:01
Speaker 3
They really necessarily see how.

00:41:49:01 - 00:41:49:22
Speaker 2
Tight things are.

00:41:50:01 - 00:41:51:18
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:41:51:20 - 00:41:52:12
Speaker 3
Because, like, we.

00:41:52:12 - 00:41:53:15
Speaker 2
Don't really want them to feel.

00:41:53:15 - 00:41:55:03
Speaker 3
Like they're at a very.

00:41:55:03 - 00:41:58:05
Speaker 2
Impressionable age right now. I'm. And I'm like, I'm a guy that.

00:41:58:05 - 00:41:59:11
Speaker 3
We're like, words have power.

00:41:59:13 - 00:42:01:02
Speaker 2
Right? And so I'm never going to.

00:42:01:02 - 00:42:02:04
Speaker 3
Be that guy that says.

00:42:02:04 - 00:42:03:03
Speaker 2
Like, oh no, I can't get you.

00:42:03:03 - 00:42:04:01
Speaker 3
That toy.

00:42:04:02 - 00:42:21:18
Speaker 2
Money's tight or we don't have money or like, we don't have enough for that or money doesn't grow on tree, you know, like any of that stuff. And so, you know, when I, when I, when I'm speaking to my boys and speaking with my boys over speaking about money, you know, I want them to think money comes easy because it can it very much can.

00:42:21:20 - 00:42:23:19
Speaker 3
And, so like they get.

00:42:23:19 - 00:42:26:05
Speaker 2
But and they get they know like.

00:42:26:05 - 00:42:27:02
Speaker 3
Their dad.

00:42:27:04 - 00:42:30:10
Speaker 2
On his own business. They know I'm a chiropractor.

00:42:30:11 - 00:42:31:00
Speaker 3
Like, all these.

00:42:31:02 - 00:42:33:04
Speaker 2
All these cool things. So I think I think they know because.

00:42:33:04 - 00:42:35:13
Speaker 3
They're like, oh, dad's got to go to, oh, we don't want you to go, like.

00:42:35:13 - 00:42:38:06
Speaker 2
Stay and wrestle a little longer and like, all that stuff. And it's like.

00:42:38:06 - 00:42:39:20
Speaker 3
Oh, everybody. I go, I gotta go.

00:42:39:20 - 00:42:41:19
Speaker 2
I got somebody waiting for me in an hour, you know?

00:42:41:21 - 00:42:42:14
Speaker 3
Yeah. So like.

00:42:42:14 - 00:42:45:00
Speaker 2
They know what's cool is.

00:42:45:04 - 00:42:45:15
Speaker 3
They'll look.

00:42:45:15 - 00:42:46:12
Speaker 2
Back on it too.

00:42:46:14 - 00:42:47:14
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:42:47:16 - 00:43:09:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I do I think about my own childhood like, I like, think about just. There's a, there's a lot of the things that now I look back on and I was like, I actually don't know what was going on behind the scenes. But as a kid, hey, just having your folks attention is like the most goes the furthest.

00:43:09:07 - 00:43:28:13
Speaker 1
Absolutely. You're not even like taking inventory of things that we as adults care about. Yeah. And that makes sense. And yeah. Yeah. But then the other day somebody was like, well, you know, I just gotta stay with this because they need the, the, the big suburban or whatever it might be. Right in your littles don't even know that that's a thing unless you tell them it is.

00:43:28:13 - 00:43:49:05
Speaker 1
Right, right, right. But they have no idea if you're driving around. I remember my dad used to drive around in this. This, like, what was it, 1987? There it is in 90. There's, like, an automobile. Yeah. And I still remember we used to call it the car because, like, it had rust marks on the hood. You know, he just, like, spray painted them cream white to kind of match.

00:43:49:05 - 00:44:14:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. And like, I had no idea that, like, at the time, they were just trying to be mindful of, like where things were going so that it was going in the right places. Yeah. But at the time I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I wouldn't even think twice about it. Right. I guess I'm saying all this to say that I do think that a lot of folks who are starting a business or getting into it, they put it into the equation, something that doesn't even matter, like what they actually need to make to keep moving in.

00:44:14:17 - 00:44:21:17
Speaker 1
I sense that you have, probably a lot more of a humble truth about, like, what it takes to get to where you're going to go.

00:44:21:17 - 00:44:23:01
Speaker 3
Totally. You know.

00:44:23:02 - 00:44:40:00
Speaker 1
How do you, as you're looking on your journey here kind of two years and running this business? Did you know it was I know doubt is hard. Did you anticipate it was it has it been harder than you expected about what you expected easier.

00:44:40:02 - 00:44:42:08
Speaker 2
Somewhere between about as hard and a little bit harder.

00:44:42:13 - 00:44:43:23
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:44:44:01 - 00:44:54:15
Speaker 1
What about it is to like for folks looking to get into this, you know, whether it's chiropractic or their own work, right, or their own business, you know, what are the things that you're like, whoa, man, that surprised me.

00:44:54:15 - 00:45:01:05
Speaker 3
Okay. Like, have, you know, just nothing the the fluctuation, the fluctuation.

00:45:01:05 - 00:45:01:22
Speaker 2
Of income.

00:45:02:00 - 00:45:03:01
Speaker 3
Right. There could be.

00:45:03:01 - 00:45:09:07
Speaker 2
A month where we make more than we needed and then come to find out next month, for whatever reason. And then, you know, you can look back and.

00:45:09:07 - 00:45:10:09
Speaker 3
Sometimes figure it out, but.

00:45:10:09 - 00:45:13:17
Speaker 2
Sometimes not. While this month is nowhere near what we needed.

00:45:13:20 - 00:45:14:08
Speaker 3
And so the.

00:45:14:08 - 00:45:15:13
Speaker 2
Fluctuation swings can be.

00:45:15:13 - 00:45:16:06
Speaker 3
Really big.

00:45:16:08 - 00:45:18:13
Speaker 2
And when you talk about, you know, budgeting usually.

00:45:18:13 - 00:45:19:10
Speaker 3
Typically.

00:45:19:12 - 00:45:20:23
Speaker 2
That conversation is around, okay.

00:45:20:23 - 00:45:21:07
Speaker 3
I get.

00:45:21:12 - 00:45:22:01
Speaker 2
X amount of.

00:45:22:01 - 00:45:29:08
Speaker 3
Dollars every two weeks or a month or whatever it is you get paid. So I can budget for, let's say, you know, $3,000 every two weeks.

00:45:29:10 - 00:45:30:13
Speaker 2
And budget, though I know where that.

00:45:30:13 - 00:45:35:10
Speaker 3
Dollars going or that dollars going. Like really be wise about that.

00:45:35:12 - 00:45:37:04
Speaker 2
I don't want say you can't, but that's something very.

00:45:37:04 - 00:45:37:13
Speaker 3
Hard to.

00:45:37:13 - 00:45:38:02
Speaker 2
Do.

00:45:38:02 - 00:45:39:17
Speaker 3
As a, as a, as a.

00:45:39:19 - 00:45:40:16
Speaker 2
Business owner.

00:45:40:20 - 00:45:42:08
Speaker 3
Because.

00:45:42:10 - 00:45:46:15
Speaker 2
There's big swings and there's big fluctuations. And so,

00:45:46:17 - 00:45:49:13
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's there.

00:45:49:13 - 00:45:52:08
Speaker 2
I remember early on I was never somebody.

00:45:52:08 - 00:45:56:04
Speaker 3
To have anxiety.

00:45:56:06 - 00:46:01:15
Speaker 2
You know, social situations, like, I'd say I'm more introverted than extroverted, but I'm comfortable around.

00:46:01:15 - 00:46:05:14
Speaker 3
People. Never really worried too.

00:46:05:14 - 00:46:08:11
Speaker 2
Much about life and where things are going or any of.

00:46:08:11 - 00:46:09:14
Speaker 3
That stuff.

00:46:09:16 - 00:46:13:19
Speaker 2
And then all of a sudden, about two months and not even probably, you know, a couple of weeks in going into.

00:46:13:19 - 00:46:14:08
Speaker 3
Practice.

00:46:14:08 - 00:46:20:16
Speaker 2
I'm waking up at 1230 at night, 230 at night, heart racing. Oh my God, it's.

00:46:20:16 - 00:46:21:17
Speaker 1
Kind of out of nowhere, right?

00:46:21:17 - 00:46:24:15
Speaker 2
Are we going to able to keep this house? Yeah. Like are we going to keep this.

00:46:24:15 - 00:46:25:06
Speaker 3
House like.

00:46:25:06 - 00:46:33:20
Speaker 2
Oh my gosh I just moved these boys in here. My wife in here. We're happy. We love the neighborhood. First time homeowners are we going to keep this out. And so.

00:46:33:20 - 00:46:34:07
Speaker 3
Like all these.

00:46:34:07 - 00:46:35:09
Speaker 2
Thoughts ran through my head.

00:46:35:09 - 00:46:39:16
Speaker 3
And I'd say that was probably the hardest part of it was just like.

00:46:39:18 - 00:46:43:10
Speaker 2
Feeling like there was even a possibility that I was going to not be.

00:46:43:10 - 00:46:47:02
Speaker 3
Able to provide for my flat. For my family, that was the hardest part.

00:46:47:02 - 00:46:57:03
Speaker 2
That's definitely the scariest part, and I think that's probably a fear most business owners have experienced that have already taken that leap, and that's.

00:46:57:03 - 00:46:57:19
Speaker 3
Probably.

00:46:57:19 - 00:46:58:03
Speaker 2
One of the.

00:46:58:03 - 00:46:59:12
Speaker 3
Biggest fears keeping.

00:46:59:12 - 00:47:04:16
Speaker 2
People from taking the leap.

00:47:04:18 - 00:47:16:08
Speaker 1
As you're having that thought going through my knee, what was the thing that helped you just move beyond that? You know, even on a daily basis, right?

00:47:16:10 - 00:47:18:04
Speaker 3
It's a good question.

00:47:18:06 - 00:47:20:08
Speaker 1
Because I imagine some folks will be paralyzed.

00:47:20:08 - 00:47:21:04
Speaker 3
By that. Right.

00:47:21:08 - 00:47:22:13
Speaker 1
Like they're going to shock.

00:47:22:14 - 00:47:22:21
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:47:22:22 - 00:47:26:12
Speaker 1
You know, you know, yeah. There's people going to shock for a lot less reasons.

00:47:26:12 - 00:47:27:06
Speaker 2
Yeah. 100%.

00:47:27:06 - 00:47:43:10
Speaker 1
You know, their favorite artist breaks up and they're like taken off work, you know, but you're like, how do I make sure there's a roof over my family's head? Yep. What is the thing that keeps you moving?

00:47:43:12 - 00:47:46:20
Speaker 2
Just standing for something.

00:47:46:22 - 00:47:47:18
Speaker 3
Like chiropractic.

00:47:47:21 - 00:47:48:09
Speaker 2
In and of.

00:47:48:09 - 00:47:55:01
Speaker 3
Itself, I think is so cool. You know, it's.

00:47:55:03 - 00:47:58:07
Speaker 2
One of my favorite principles and quotes in.

00:47:58:07 - 00:47:58:21
Speaker 3
Chiropractic is the.

00:47:58:21 - 00:47:59:20
Speaker 2
Power that made the body.

00:47:59:20 - 00:48:00:14
Speaker 3
Heals the body.

00:48:00:15 - 00:48:08:00
Speaker 2
And I feel like a lot of times in our world, we're looking for outside things. What what is my body missing?

00:48:08:02 - 00:48:08:19
Speaker 3
What is what.

00:48:08:19 - 00:48:13:02
Speaker 2
Is something else I need to get from the outside to put on the inside to make.

00:48:13:02 - 00:48:16:13
Speaker 3
This feel better and that can.

00:48:16:15 - 00:48:20:03
Speaker 2
There can be those things. And more often than not, and especially in.

00:48:20:03 - 00:48:22:06
Speaker 3
Chiropractic, it's what it really is, is.

00:48:22:06 - 00:48:24:14
Speaker 2
Removing an interference in someone's.

00:48:24:14 - 00:48:27:01
Speaker 3
System to let the body, the.

00:48:27:01 - 00:48:27:13
Speaker 2
Power that made.

00:48:27:13 - 00:48:28:19
Speaker 3
The body heal the body.

00:48:28:21 - 00:48:31:13
Speaker 2
To be vibrant, exuberant, exuberant, and exude.

00:48:31:13 - 00:48:33:02
Speaker 3
Health. Right.

00:48:33:03 - 00:48:34:18
Speaker 2
And so one, it's.

00:48:34:20 - 00:48:36:20
Speaker 3
Truly I'm in love with the.

00:48:36:20 - 00:48:37:19
Speaker 2
Business. I'm in.

00:48:37:19 - 00:48:38:22
Speaker 3
Love with what.

00:48:38:22 - 00:48:42:06
Speaker 2
I do. I you know, I joke.

00:48:42:06 - 00:48:43:08
Speaker 3
With the call that.

00:48:43:14 - 00:48:47:01
Speaker 2
You know, if or when we ever win the lottery, let's go on vacation.

00:48:47:01 - 00:48:48:06
Speaker 3
Let's buy some cool stuff.

00:48:48:08 - 00:48:49:09
Speaker 2
And I'm still going to be a.

00:48:49:09 - 00:48:51:10
Speaker 3
Copywriter because it's the coolest.

00:48:51:10 - 00:48:53:10
Speaker 2
Darn thing for some of the reasons.

00:48:53:10 - 00:48:55:01
Speaker 3
We already talked about.

00:48:55:03 - 00:48:57:20
Speaker 2
And yeah, it's, you know, it's,

00:48:57:22 - 00:48:58:13
Speaker 3
It's it's a.

00:48:58:13 - 00:48:59:03
Speaker 2
Talent of mine.

00:48:59:03 - 00:49:00:22
Speaker 3
I'm good at what I do.

00:49:01:00 - 00:49:01:13
Speaker 2
And it.

00:49:01:13 - 00:49:02:03
Speaker 3
Feels good to.

00:49:02:03 - 00:49:04:14
Speaker 2
Be good at something. And it feels good. You know, like I said.

00:49:04:19 - 00:49:05:17
Speaker 3
Like, we could I could.

00:49:05:17 - 00:49:06:19
Speaker 2
Either win $1 million.

00:49:06:19 - 00:49:07:16
Speaker 3
Or lose it all.

00:49:07:18 - 00:49:22:14
Speaker 2
And this entire time I've enjoyed when I step in that office, I enjoy my time there. And that's something that maybe even people make in not having that problem, not waking up in the middle of night wearing, you know, where the bills are paying, but maybe don't want to go to that job anymore.

00:49:22:16 - 00:49:23:15
Speaker 3
Okay, like that's cool.

00:49:23:15 - 00:49:26:12
Speaker 2
And that's its own thing. But I have my own special.

00:49:26:12 - 00:49:28:14
Speaker 3
Area where it's like.

00:49:28:16 - 00:49:29:10
Speaker 2
But no matter what.

00:49:29:15 - 00:49:31:06
Speaker 3
Like, I love, I love.

00:49:31:06 - 00:49:32:10
Speaker 2
Doing this thing.

00:49:33:10 - 00:49:37:08
Speaker 2
And so like, that's a win win already.

00:49:37:10 - 00:50:06:08
Speaker 1
In your way. There's almost no choice, right? Like, this is what you do. If the days are good or they bad, you know, you find it. It maybe that's not so real for folks because, like, the idea of mortality isn't that apparent to them. You know, like they're they're looking at it from the perspective of I'll be here tomorrow, which means I've got time to kind of puts around in this gig for a little longer that I don't like, you know, to eventually go do the thing that I'm meant to go do.

00:50:06:08 - 00:50:14:01
Speaker 1
Yep. Or do eating is something else. Like what? There's obviously something drove you early on. You got some exposure to it. Yeah. What your any thoughts on that. Yeah.

00:50:14:01 - 00:50:15:00
Speaker 2
Yeah yeah I mean that's a.

00:50:15:00 - 00:50:15:11
Speaker 3
That's a really good.

00:50:15:11 - 00:50:27:18
Speaker 2
Question. I mean we're either, you know, Tony Robbins the kind of a from a distance mentor of mine. And he says, you know, our main driving factors in life.

00:50:27:18 - 00:50:28:08
Speaker 3
Are we either.

00:50:28:08 - 00:50:29:10
Speaker 2
Are driven,

00:50:29:12 - 00:50:30:18
Speaker 3
Toward pleasure or away from.

00:50:30:18 - 00:50:34:19
Speaker 2
Pain. Right. And so I kind of have both going on where I'm driving.

00:50:34:19 - 00:50:36:16
Speaker 3
Toward pleasure because I love what I do.

00:50:36:18 - 00:50:47:09
Speaker 2
And right now I'm driven away from the pain of feeling like this could even be a failure or feeling like I couldn't provide for my family. And so for me, it is kind of two full for me where like, I.

00:50:47:09 - 00:50:48:12
Speaker 3
Literally feel like both, both.

00:50:48:12 - 00:50:50:16
Speaker 2
Of those things are true for me. And I don't know.

00:50:50:18 - 00:50:51:12
Speaker 3
As far as other people.

00:50:51:12 - 00:50:59:15
Speaker 2
Are concerned. Yeah, I think we can make things a little harder than I think they need to be.

00:50:59:17 - 00:51:01:14
Speaker 3
Like I said,

00:51:01:16 - 00:51:02:23
Speaker 2
Before doing the process.

00:51:02:23 - 00:51:03:07
Speaker 3
I would have.

00:51:03:07 - 00:51:09:01
Speaker 2
Thought there was more involved in starting a business. And then I did the process. And 13, 14 days later.

00:51:09:03 - 00:51:10:00
Speaker 3
We had our LLC.

00:51:10:06 - 00:51:12:08
Speaker 2
We had our logo made it, found a place.

00:51:12:08 - 00:51:14:15
Speaker 3
For the deposit down. I had already had.

00:51:14:15 - 00:51:17:07
Speaker 2
A mobile table, like certain expenses.

00:51:17:07 - 00:51:18:16
Speaker 3
Were already covered.

00:51:18:17 - 00:51:20:19
Speaker 2
Oh my gosh, I think we have a business.

00:51:20:21 - 00:51:23:01
Speaker 3
Right? And so.

00:51:23:02 - 00:51:27:11
Speaker 2
It was just one of those things where it's like, you know, I think we can get, analysis.

00:51:27:11 - 00:51:28:22
Speaker 3
Paralysis. Yeah.

00:51:28:23 - 00:51:30:22
Speaker 2
I think that's probably one of the biggest ones.

00:51:31:00 - 00:51:31:19
Speaker 3
Is.

00:51:31:21 - 00:51:43:07
Speaker 2
Seeing the 10,000 steps or however many it will take you to get to the top of the mountain instead of just taking one, one, one. And that's the only way you can get there anyways. 11111. Double time.

00:51:43:09 - 00:51:44:23
Speaker 3
So that's what I did. We took 1111.

00:51:44:23 - 00:51:49:01
Speaker 2
111. 13 days later had a business.

00:51:49:03 - 00:51:49:17
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:51:49:19 - 00:51:50:03
Speaker 2
Don't over.

00:51:50:03 - 00:51:51:10
Speaker 3
Complicate it.

00:51:51:12 - 00:52:21:05
Speaker 1
You kind of just have to get going. I do think the anticipation for most folks. Yeah, maybe, maybe even more just kind of, of a more approachable thought is the, the anticipation, I think, is what kills folks. They kind of have these scenarios in their mind that go through it. Yup. I remember someone asking me one time, for my time in the service, one of the tougher trainings out there is Ranger training, and I remember one of the, someone asked me, how do you do it?

00:52:21:05 - 00:52:47:02
Speaker 1
Because it's pretty atrocious training, you know, on a good day, it's little over. It's a couple months spent where you're, you know, burning 13 or 15,000 calories a day. Only two hours of authorized sleep, and you're trying to sleep. Yeah. And you're. And you're going through some pretty intense operations the whole time through and jungle, mountain and swamps and, like, how do you do it?

00:52:47:02 - 00:53:05:02
Speaker 1
You know, what's the what's the secret? Because a lot of the times, the guys, the folks that graduate are sometimes not who you think graduate from these things, you know, and, what you find is that a lot of the folks that don't, there's a lot of reasons a lot of folks get injured or said, but there are a lot of folks who don't graduate is because they actually quit.

00:53:05:04 - 00:53:31:14
Speaker 1
And the reason that they quit is because they're anticipating tomorrow. And so I always that whenever I get asked some version of that, I'm wondering if this resonates with you even as being a small business owner. And like, it's just there's how do you do it? And I go, you only can think 50m at a time if you go anything beyond that, the pressure of it is so much the anticipation that it'll it'll force you to do something that you're not then you don't want to do or that you not that you're that you're not supposed to do.

00:53:31:16 - 00:53:37:16
Speaker 1
I same thing with business. You feel like you can, only you almost have to force yourself to only look so far. Yeah.

00:53:37:18 - 00:53:39:09
Speaker 2
And that's actually multifaceted.

00:53:39:09 - 00:53:41:21
Speaker 3
That's true for like the logistics of business.

00:53:41:21 - 00:53:42:07
Speaker 2
And that's.

00:53:42:07 - 00:53:43:06
Speaker 3
True especially.

00:53:43:06 - 00:53:43:21
Speaker 2
To like in.

00:53:43:21 - 00:53:44:14
Speaker 3
Chiropractic.

00:53:44:14 - 00:53:47:13
Speaker 2
Right. So I learned early on through going to school.

00:53:47:13 - 00:53:48:06
Speaker 3
Like you have to be.

00:53:48:06 - 00:53:53:09
Speaker 2
Very present in order to one feel what you're feeling, right? You can just run your hands on somebody and go, no.

00:53:53:09 - 00:53:54:19
Speaker 3
And like, you have to be very.

00:53:54:19 - 00:54:01:23
Speaker 2
Present with that person and and your feelings and the knowledge that, you know, and then when it comes time to deliver an adjustment.

00:54:02:01 - 00:54:02:22
Speaker 3
There's a lot of presents.

00:54:02:22 - 00:54:05:05
Speaker 2
That's like the number one thing I'd say that makes a really.

00:54:05:05 - 00:54:09:06
Speaker 3
Good chiropractor is, is his or her level of presence. Okay.

00:54:09:08 - 00:54:10:07
Speaker 2
And I think I even you.

00:54:10:07 - 00:54:12:07
Speaker 1
Mean like feeling they're there with you kind of like.

00:54:12:08 - 00:54:13:08
Speaker 3
Well, yes.

00:54:13:09 - 00:54:16:22
Speaker 2
Maybe from the perspective of. But I mean, even just to perform.

00:54:16:22 - 00:54:19:20
Speaker 3
Like like right. Let's go to sports. Right.

00:54:19:22 - 00:54:22:18
Speaker 2
Steph Curry is not going to hit that three. If he's thinking about what he's doing tomorrow.

00:54:22:20 - 00:54:23:09
Speaker 1
I see what you mean.

00:54:23:10 - 00:54:25:10
Speaker 2
He's going to be in that are minute feeling that.

00:54:25:10 - 00:54:26:23
Speaker 3
Basketball listening to what the.

00:54:26:23 - 00:54:32:09
Speaker 2
Guys are saying. He's going to be in that zone. He's going to have his eyes right on the basket. He knows what he's doing. He knows what it. Yeah, sure he knows.

00:54:32:09 - 00:54:36:15
Speaker 3
Those next couple steps are. But he's breathing and he's right there. Yeah.

00:54:36:19 - 00:54:39:06
Speaker 2
It can be very similar in chiropractic in the sense.

00:54:39:06 - 00:54:39:17
Speaker 3
That like.

00:54:39:21 - 00:54:42:08
Speaker 2
I'm going to be very present with this person when they deserve.

00:54:42:08 - 00:54:44:10
Speaker 3
It to like that's.

00:54:44:10 - 00:54:54:19
Speaker 2
A rare thing that they get someone's full attention. And much like a sport, I want to deliver my absolute best adjustment right now to this person who came and paid for it. So I'm going to have a lot of presents. And I think I learned that through.

00:54:54:20 - 00:54:55:23
Speaker 3
Yes, chiropractic.

00:54:56:01 - 00:55:01:19
Speaker 2
Yes business. And I even remember some lessons I learned the hard way. Not so hard way. Growing up, you know, I.

00:55:01:19 - 00:55:03:01
Speaker 3
Used to like to skateboard.

00:55:03:01 - 00:55:04:20
Speaker 2
And longboard and all that stuff. And I.

00:55:04:20 - 00:55:06:08
Speaker 3
Specifically remember a couple of.

00:55:06:08 - 00:55:06:21
Speaker 2
Times I.

00:55:06:21 - 00:55:07:06
Speaker 3
Would be.

00:55:07:06 - 00:55:11:06
Speaker 2
Skateboarding and I'd be off daydreaming about things and I would crash, and that.

00:55:11:06 - 00:55:13:05
Speaker 3
Hurt myself. And I'd be.

00:55:13:05 - 00:55:13:20
Speaker 2
Like, man.

00:55:13:20 - 00:55:16:21
Speaker 3
What was that? I was like, I wasn't even like, I wasn't even on the.

00:55:16:21 - 00:55:18:07
Speaker 2
Board just now. I was somewhere.

00:55:18:07 - 00:55:20:03
Speaker 1
Else. Yeah, I hurt myself.

00:55:20:03 - 00:55:21:20
Speaker 3
And like, so like I, I've learned.

00:55:21:20 - 00:55:22:06
Speaker 2
It in different.

00:55:22:06 - 00:55:22:19
Speaker 3
Areas of play.

00:55:22:21 - 00:55:25:16
Speaker 2
Sports. Growing up. And so I think it comes.

00:55:25:16 - 00:55:26:23
Speaker 3
A little bit second nature.

00:55:27:04 - 00:55:28:18
Speaker 2
To me in a sense.

00:55:28:20 - 00:55:31:12
Speaker 3
That it's like, yeah, just be present, control the controllables.

00:55:31:15 - 00:55:32:19
Speaker 2
One step at a time.

00:55:32:21 - 00:55:40:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Some of that. It's not that it's not. It is actually very special, but it takes an incredible amount of discipline to only look out so.

00:55:40:15 - 00:55:42:03
Speaker 2
Far very much.

00:55:42:05 - 00:55:52:18
Speaker 1
And it's says dance because you got to be, you got to have a vision of what you're trying to build towards. Yes. But then when you start getting to work, you can't be thinking about it too far ahead. No. Otherwise you would fall on.

00:55:52:20 - 00:55:54:12
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's it's both. Yeah.

00:55:54:12 - 00:55:55:06
Speaker 2
It's both. And so.

00:55:55:06 - 00:55:56:00
Speaker 3
My story is.

00:55:56:00 - 00:55:58:02
Speaker 2
Very can be dramatic.

00:55:58:02 - 00:55:58:14
Speaker 3
Whereas like.

00:55:58:14 - 00:55:59:15
Speaker 2
Okay you know kind of.

00:55:59:20 - 00:56:03:01
Speaker 3
Not a whole lot of forethought. Like yes there was forethought. That was the.

00:56:03:01 - 00:56:08:00
Speaker 2
Always the dream. Yeah I knew it was heading that way at some point in time, but it wasn't like, oh, I was in this.

00:56:08:00 - 00:56:09:02
Speaker 3
Practice for eight years.

00:56:09:02 - 00:56:20:20
Speaker 2
Ten years. Built up a nice little, you know, savings and padding to then be able to launch something with this nice nest egg had no nest egg. And so I'm not advising anybody do that.

00:56:20:20 - 00:56:22:04
Speaker 3
I think the right choice would.

00:56:22:04 - 00:56:23:22
Speaker 2
Be if and when you can.

00:56:24:00 - 00:56:28:00
Speaker 3
Like. Yes. Be a bit calculated about this. Like be calculated about it.

00:56:28:02 - 00:56:31:15
Speaker 2
Make sure you have some level of savings in the bank. Make sure you know you.

00:56:31:15 - 00:56:32:03
Speaker 3
Got your.

00:56:32:03 - 00:56:36:18
Speaker 2
Eyes dotted and your t's crossed. And when the time comes, okay? And you've done that.

00:56:36:18 - 00:56:37:10
Speaker 3
Logical part.

00:56:37:10 - 00:56:42:05
Speaker 2
You've done that foresight, you've done that. I think that is very important. You definitely should. And then ask.

00:56:42:05 - 00:56:43:02
Speaker 3
Yourself like.

00:56:43:08 - 00:56:45:14
Speaker 2
Can I do this? Not everyone's meant for this. Can I do this?

00:56:45:14 - 00:56:47:17
Speaker 3
Do I have this within myself?

00:56:47:19 - 00:56:58:19
Speaker 2
You know, can I show up for myself and my family every day? Is this something I want to do is, you know, is this the same business I'm in, or is this something I want to go into my passionate about this. If I won the lottery tomorrow, would I still be doing this?

00:56:59:16 - 00:57:00:20
Speaker 2
And if a lot of those answers.

00:57:00:20 - 00:57:01:21
Speaker 3
Are yes you're ready.

00:57:01:23 - 00:57:34:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. Said think big work small. You know it's that ability to go, okay, I know where I'm going, but today get your hands in the mud and keep moving. You know what for? For folks that are exploring this idea of getting into into chiropractic or just their own venture, whatever it might be, is there anything you would look back on two years ago and maybe wish you had known or done differently to set you up better for success?

00:57:35:22 - 00:57:41:20
Speaker 2
Something I'm still considering doing.

00:57:41:21 - 00:57:44:02
Speaker 3
Is there's a there's a chiropractor I look.

00:57:44:02 - 00:57:45:14
Speaker 2
Up to in Oklahoma.

00:57:45:16 - 00:57:46:13
Speaker 3
Who's just.

00:57:46:17 - 00:57:47:18
Speaker 2
Really stand up a guy.

00:57:47:18 - 00:57:49:20
Speaker 3
I can tell he has a really successful practice.

00:57:49:22 - 00:57:50:12
Speaker 2
And he does.

00:57:50:12 - 00:57:51:00
Speaker 3
Do.

00:57:51:06 - 00:57:54:01
Speaker 2
Coaching. And so something I with.

00:57:54:01 - 00:57:54:20
Speaker 1
Other Kyra's.

00:57:54:23 - 00:57:56:23
Speaker 3
With other doctors, with other chiropractors.

00:57:56:23 - 00:57:58:05
Speaker 1
Nice.

00:57:58:07 - 00:58:04:18
Speaker 2
That's something here soon I really want to, you know, just make happen, you know, my, my my mental.

00:58:04:18 - 00:58:06:03
Speaker 3
Aspect of that is like, oh, well, that's.

00:58:06:03 - 00:58:11:20
Speaker 2
Just another expense. That's another this, that and the other. But I know the return on investment would be positive on that. And so.

00:58:11:21 - 00:58:13:07
Speaker 1
Oh you to get some coaching me.

00:58:13:07 - 00:58:25:13
Speaker 2
To get coaching. Yeah. Me to get coaching. Yes. Yeah. And just like, you know, I'm sure sometimes you don't know what you don't know. Right. And so yes we're going and I can't for all I know I'd have a conversation with this.

00:58:25:13 - 00:58:26:03
Speaker 3
Guy a couple.

00:58:26:03 - 00:58:28:02
Speaker 2
Couple of weeks in a row and I'd be like, oh man, you're not doing this.

00:58:28:02 - 00:58:28:23
Speaker 3
And that. Oh, just.

00:58:29:03 - 00:58:30:22
Speaker 2
Implement this and that. And all of a sudden, you know.

00:58:31:01 - 00:58:32:17
Speaker 3
There's no ball starts to go a little faster.

00:58:32:19 - 00:58:39:21
Speaker 2
Yeah. And so I'd say if somebody has, you know, some, some a little bit more built up cash flow in there and they're maybe getting into something one for free.

00:58:39:21 - 00:58:41:16
Speaker 3
Do the free stuff first. Right. Like go shadow.

00:58:41:16 - 00:58:42:03
Speaker 2
Somebody you.

00:58:42:03 - 00:58:44:03
Speaker 3
Either really look up to or business see if.

00:58:44:03 - 00:58:46:12
Speaker 2
You can come do something for them for free.

00:58:46:12 - 00:58:47:07
Speaker 3
Like be their side.

00:58:47:07 - 00:58:47:20
Speaker 2
Person, like.

00:58:47:20 - 00:58:48:08
Speaker 3
Do the free.

00:58:48:08 - 00:58:56:21
Speaker 2
Stuff and you know, your due diligence there. And once you start up something potentially, you know, if it's in the budget, hire somebody who's doing the thing to help coach.

00:58:56:21 - 00:58:57:19
Speaker 3
You through it.

00:58:57:21 - 00:59:23:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, no, the coaching piece, it's so underrated. And it's but it's hard as a, as a small bit small business owner to, to sometimes justify the expense totally. Although behind that door is a huge unlock it just it's like definitive. It's so funny you mentioned sports earlier. Yep. No one gets weirded out. Michael Jordan had a coach. Yeah, but no one's like, this is the greatest of all time and he's still got a coach yet.

00:59:23:18 - 00:59:29:12
Speaker 1
Oh, I'm this guy who's been in business for two years, and I'm like, I don't know if I need a coach. Like.

00:59:29:13 - 00:59:30:19
Speaker 3
You kidding me? No, of course not.

00:59:30:22 - 00:59:53:15
Speaker 1
But it is one of those things that, it's human like to just think that, you know, you kind of need to fumble through it a little bit longer. Yeah. But the reality of it is, it's to your point, even for a short amount of time, we actually found a lot of, owner operators. Will will always say once they start getting the right type of mentorship, coaching or development, you know, two things that stick out.

00:59:53:15 - 01:00:08:18
Speaker 1
We found that the ones that do it and are getting like the ones that are fruitful from it, which is almost all of them. Yep. Like, no matter how big they get and how successful they get, they keep up, they keep, they keep a mentor, a coach. And there, you know, even somebody just 5 to 10 years ahead of them.

01:00:08:18 - 01:00:32:16
Speaker 1
Yes. Just to kind of understand. And it's all little things sometimes it's nothing big. Yep. They just are working in the business. They need someone to help them think the outside of it. And then the other thing that's pretty common that I, that we see with folks is, there's like an interesting momentum that happens. I don't know how to explain it, but there's something about when you're articulating the things that aren't going well, especially to somebody else.

01:00:32:18 - 01:00:49:13
Speaker 1
There's something about that. There's like a give back energy that happens because that coach or whatever especially, they start to really take kind of ownership of your development. Yeah, a lot of times you can, like some network effects that otherwise you weren't going to get before. Correct. You know. Yep. And that goes a long way. Yeah.

01:00:49:15 - 01:00:49:19
Speaker 1
And.

01:00:49:19 - 01:00:52:10
Speaker 2
I say I'm not doing any business coaching directly.

01:00:52:10 - 01:00:52:15
Speaker 3
Like.

01:00:52:20 - 01:00:53:07
Speaker 2
Someone who's.

01:00:53:07 - 01:00:53:20
Speaker 3
A chiropractor.

01:00:53:20 - 01:00:54:17
Speaker 2
Ahead of me.

01:00:54:19 - 01:00:55:06
Speaker 3
Want to do.

01:00:55:06 - 01:00:59:04
Speaker 2
That? I am going to do that. And I am doing men like a part of men's coaching. I'm a.

01:00:59:04 - 01:00:59:17
Speaker 3
Part of a.

01:00:59:17 - 01:01:00:05
Speaker 2
Group. I'm not.

01:01:00:05 - 01:01:02:07
Speaker 3
The coach. I have other guys.

01:01:02:07 - 01:01:08:06
Speaker 2
Here in Austin. You know, I think there's like 30 guys in the group, some from Austin, some not that I am investing in like personal.

01:01:08:06 - 01:01:09:22
Speaker 3
So I'd say that's like another aspect of.

01:01:09:22 - 01:01:10:21
Speaker 2
This whole business thing. Right?

01:01:10:21 - 01:01:14:20
Speaker 3
Is like, I've had to grow as just.

01:01:15:00 - 01:01:16:12
Speaker 2
Nick as just me.

01:01:16:14 - 01:01:19:08
Speaker 3
I've had to grow. Right.

01:01:19:10 - 01:01:20:12
Speaker 2
So even at the end of the.

01:01:20:12 - 01:01:21:02
Speaker 3
Day, outside of.

01:01:21:02 - 01:01:22:14
Speaker 2
Business, like, am I the man that.

01:01:22:14 - 01:01:23:14
Speaker 3
I say.

01:01:23:15 - 01:01:31:18
Speaker 2
I can be and I want to be and I should be, and then I know that that man is also going to walk into practice and be a chiropractor, and that's only going to.

01:01:31:18 - 01:01:33:07
Speaker 3
Further develop.

01:01:33:09 - 01:01:40:06
Speaker 2
And get set a good foundation for the business as well. And so I am investing and this is like, you know, I am investing in coaching.

01:01:40:10 - 01:01:40:19
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:01:40:20 - 01:01:46:22
Speaker 2
You know, from that aspect. And like you said that the network, the network effect when we're, you know, it's it doesn't have to be.

01:01:46:22 - 01:01:48:00
Speaker 3
All like heavy like.

01:01:48:00 - 01:01:50:10
Speaker 2
Oh, you know, people might think like men's work is like, oh.

01:01:50:10 - 01:01:52:18
Speaker 3
It's like real heavy or it's like some sort of, like therapy.

01:01:52:18 - 01:01:55:16
Speaker 2
Or something like that. And it can be that way. But sometimes.

01:01:55:16 - 01:01:56:07
Speaker 3
Like, we're.

01:01:56:07 - 01:02:03:14
Speaker 2
Just sharing wins, like, hey, I want to be seen in this. Like, I, you know, I had this really cool thing happened last week, and I just want to share that with you guys, and I just want to be seen in that way.

01:02:03:14 - 01:02:06:03
Speaker 3
Like, dude, hell yeah, man, stoked for you. Like, that's.

01:02:06:03 - 01:02:07:01
Speaker 2
A cool thing to just.

01:02:07:01 - 01:02:08:07
Speaker 3
Like, have that that brotherhood.

01:02:08:09 - 01:02:09:01
Speaker 2
And.

01:02:09:03 - 01:02:09:09
Speaker 3
Like.

01:02:09:14 - 01:02:10:09
Speaker 2
Oh, man. Like, I.

01:02:10:09 - 01:02:13:00
Speaker 3
Really messed up last week and like it was this.

01:02:13:00 - 01:02:16:23
Speaker 2
Or, you know, and and then just having that community and and you never know where those connections lead.

01:02:16:23 - 01:02:17:18
Speaker 3
Like I said, we got other.

01:02:17:18 - 01:02:19:14
Speaker 2
Guys in Austin and we made cool connections.

01:02:19:14 - 01:02:21:03
Speaker 3
And so.

01:02:21:05 - 01:02:21:20
Speaker 2
The community.

01:02:21:20 - 01:02:24:12
Speaker 3
Aspect of it and the growth aspect of it, I think.

01:02:24:12 - 01:02:26:07
Speaker 2
Is really important from a from a personal.

01:02:26:07 - 01:02:27:10
Speaker 3
Perspective.

01:02:27:12 - 01:02:28:05
Speaker 2
Even to.

01:02:28:05 - 01:02:28:13
Speaker 3
Grow the.

01:02:28:13 - 01:02:31:05
Speaker 2
Business, the first person I.

01:02:31:05 - 01:02:32:03
Speaker 3
Have to.

01:02:32:05 - 01:02:33:23
Speaker 2
Make sure is on point and is growing as well.

01:02:33:23 - 01:02:35:08
Speaker 3
As myself.

01:02:35:10 - 01:02:38:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, you can do that and it's hard to grow. Anything else I'm.

01:02:38:14 - 01:02:38:19
Speaker 2
Saying?

01:02:39:00 - 01:03:04:13
Speaker 1
No, I mean, man, it is so good chatting with you. Yeah, I know it's it's good at I think you give folks a lot of your I think it's, it's so, there's so much that goes into getting something from nothing into life. Yeah. And I think for everybody, depending on who you are, either finding something that already exists and taking it over or starting from scratch.

01:03:04:13 - 01:03:20:22
Speaker 1
They both have their pros and cons, but I think the one thing that is common amongst both types of ways of going and doing it is not any less hard doing the work. It's always hard no matter what, you know. And I think it's like, are you working on your mindset more than anything else to kind of move you into the ability to get doing it?

01:03:20:22 - 01:03:37:05
Speaker 1
It's it's constant fighting, you know, and I think for a lot of folks, they're, they're looking at it much more sophisticated than that. So I appreciate you coming in and just reminding us. Yeah. Yeah. Like the knife fight is real. You get a little better at it. That's right. But everyone. So I still get nicked. It's going to it's not going to feel great.

01:03:37:05 - 01:03:38:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. We just got to keep moving. Yeah.

01:03:38:15 - 01:03:40:22
Speaker 2
And it's going to be hard. And it can be fun too.

01:03:41:01 - 01:03:41:22
Speaker 3
Yeah. Right.

01:03:42:00 - 01:03:46:13
Speaker 2
Like sometimes just doing the thing like I remember even just, you know, paintball was the thing I used.

01:03:46:13 - 01:03:47:01
Speaker 3
To play a lot.

01:03:47:01 - 01:03:49:00
Speaker 2
In high school growing up. And I always remember.

01:03:49:00 - 01:03:49:23
Speaker 3
I had this real just.

01:03:50:01 - 01:03:52:00
Speaker 2
I don't want to go out on the field and.

01:03:52:00 - 01:03:52:08
Speaker 3
Play.

01:03:52:08 - 01:03:55:11
Speaker 2
Paintball right now because I've been shot so many times. It hurts when.

01:03:55:11 - 01:03:59:20
Speaker 3
You get shot, but it's also so fun. And I remember this resistance every time to go out there.

01:04:00:00 - 01:04:06:01
Speaker 2
And as soon as I was out there, every time, man, I was having the time of my life. Yeah. Okay. And so I think, I think business can be that way too.

01:04:06:03 - 01:04:07:02
Speaker 3
I really just don't.

01:04:07:02 - 01:04:07:09
Speaker 2
Want to.

01:04:08:09 - 01:04:09:21
Speaker 2
And then you get out there, man. You figure.

01:04:09:21 - 01:04:11:22
Speaker 3
Out. Yeah, there's all these things that are true that can.

01:04:11:22 - 01:04:13:15
Speaker 2
Be heavy, and it can be really fun, too.

01:04:13:17 - 01:04:14:14
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:04:14:16 - 01:04:20:06
Speaker 2
Like I said, it was still in the messy metal, but. And I can't wait to, you know, maybe one day sit here with you again five, ten.

01:04:20:06 - 01:04:22:16
Speaker 3
Years out, whatever it looks like, and say, hey, man. Cool.

01:04:22:18 - 01:04:25:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. For your location. Yeah, yeah.

01:04:25:09 - 01:04:26:08
Speaker 3
Look where I'm at now.

01:04:26:12 - 01:04:29:18
Speaker 2
But right now I'm in the messy middle. And even during this, man, I'm having a lot of fun.

01:04:29:20 - 01:04:39:00
Speaker 1
Well, Nick, thanks for coming in, brother. I appreciate the time, man. And keep doing what you're doing. And for those of you that are looking for a great chiro forum foundation, I appreciate you coming at me.

01:04:39:00 - 01:04:39:13
Speaker 2
Thank you man.

01:04:39:15 - 01:04:41:07
Speaker 3
Thank you Jesse.

01:04:41:07 - 01:05:07:13
Speaker 1
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