What Synchronicities In Your Life Give You Chills?

Our guest is Kris Land, award-winning author, entrepreneur, creator and family man.  We discuss his book The Infinity Within.  www.krisland.com

The moment you start asking real questions, life starts answering in ways you can’t unsee. We sit down with author and entrepreneur Kris Land to talk about his book The Infinity Within and the “awakening process” that kicks off when curiosity replaces autopilot. Chris shares how early success and a sudden depression pushed him into decades of research on the soul, purpose, and what might be happening behind the curtain of everyday life. 

 We walk through three simple questions that turn fear into a signpost instead of a stop sign.  Kris gives practical examples anyone can use at work or in relationships. Then Kris discusses life as the “game of planet Earth,” repeating lifetimes as turns, We even touch on quantum physics and the pineal gland. 

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Podcast hosts Kim McStay and Lori Tremblay, intuitive healers and teachers, can be reached at thenextperfectstep@gmail.com or visit The Next Perfect Step on Facebook.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to the next perfect step. I'm Lori Tremblay. And I'm Kim McStay. And today's topic of conversation, I think, is going to be a really fascinating one. Um, diving into the awakening process and all the crazy magical mystical things that happen along the way. And our guest today is very special because he's written a book, The Infinity Within, that dives into this topic. He's an entrepreneur and a family man. And he also is an author and a well-known author. And he this book today, The Infinity Within, we're going to discuss. And it is great to have you here, Chris Land, and welcome.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Thank you very much for having me on your show. And I can't wait to dig in.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Great. So the first thing that I would like to know is what inspired you to start writing this book?

Four Questions About The Soul

SPEAKER_03 1:04

That's a I'll try to keep it a relatively short version answer to that because it spans 40 plus years. I started North Dakota pretty much what would be considered a computer geek. I um did not play well with others, um, not because I was mean or they were mean, but just because we didn't have the same viewpoint on a lot of things. And uh so I started selling Apple II computers when I was in junior high, which will age me a bit. And um through that met a um gentleman who wanted to do accounting software on the Apple II. He knew what he needed, and I knew how to code, and so we created a little company around it. And then at the age of 17, we ended up selling the company, made a whole bunch of money, and about six months later, I fell into a deep depression. And from that depressed state, I had three kind of what I call legs on the stool that activated me on the path of what is now the infinity within, which was originally going to be called something around the lines of your soul path or the soul path. And what happened was I got hired at a bank in San Diego. My boss's name, coincidentally, was Chris as well. And during one of our discussions, he described how he was an atheist. And even though I have no problem with people wanting to believe whatever they want to believe, it didn't sit right for me for him. And so I got really curious about it. And I ended up coming up with four questions that when you ask a person these four questions, it kind of doesn't prove we have a soul one way or the other. But what it does do is it proves that all the benefit is in believing we have a soul, and all the downside is in believing we don't. So that actually shifted Chris's perception quite a bit, but that left me with a fundamental question. If we have one, what is it? What are we doing here? What's the purpose? And so then there's the two other legs on the stool that then contributed heavily to the path. The first one is during it as a child, I and even in today, I love studying theologies, all of them, anything I can get my hands on, because I find them fascinating, both as history, as an adult, as as teachers, and the ways of different viewpoints of looking at life through different lenses, but end up at the same place. And then the other part was as a child and growing up and continuously, I've had many things that are not normal happen to me. And those things, significantly from the age of six going on, shifted my perception of what reality is. What we're told is more. What I found is that what we're explained in normal world is more the illusion, and what's really going on is the part that's hiding. And so, with those three things, the when I got to be 1920, so from 17 to well, yeah, 18-ish to 20, I started really down the path of researching ideas of what is a soul? What are we doing here? What's our purpose? And after kind of putting all that together, came up with a construct, which was what is the book? I hired a ghostwriter. The ghostwriter then kept wanting to make it her own story. So I fired the ghostwriter and put all my notes in a filing cabinet. But everything that I put together as the construct, I've lived by since then. And so then, fast forward, I'm now in Texas. I have three little boys, and my wife grew up with a pretty challenging childhood. And so she's always asked me questions about how and why I look at life and and what I why I look at it in a certain light. And I would explain to her ideas and concepts from the book. And eventually she got to know the per the book ideas pretty well. And she said, You need to finish this book. It has helped me fundamentally in the way I look at life. You have to finish it for other people. So in the beginning of 25, I went to my old filing cabinet, found all my notes, dug them out, and spent about three, four months doing nothing but writing and getting the book published in the middle of last year. And here we are.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

That's fantastic. So the main character is Gabe. Is that based on your life? I'm assuming it is.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Yeah, I I intentionally wrote Gabrielle Gabe, uh, is what it goes by, into the book as a fictional character on purpose. And that was so that it softened what was being said to the reader so that they didn't have to come to a point of if if I wrote this about Chris, then they I think there would be some additional pressure of whether or not I believe that what Chris is telling me is real or not. Whereas if it comes from a fictional character's point of view, it's like I can read this, I don't feel any pressure, but I can resonate with things as I'm reading.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

That's a that's a really good statement. I that's impressive. Yeah, it's a good way to look at it.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Yeah, I didn't. The book is not designed to preach, it's not designed to push people in one way or the other. It's it's designed to be a fun, interesting story of Gabe, and who then finds his mentor Elias, and is constantly questioning life and what he's doing here and all these things. And through these questions, gets asked more questions from Elias, of course, because Elias is a really good mentor in the sense that he doesn't tell a whole bunch. He pretty much asks questions and gets Gabe to think about them and answer them, right? But what I what I wanted the book to do as we go through the chapters is that what resonates with it sticks and what doesn't doesn't. But it gets people to start at least imagining and thinking about what might actually be going on and what might actually be possible.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Well, I know in the beginning of the book that you talked about, you know, that when people start questioning is when they start their journey to the awakening process. And I really thought that that was great to say because, you know, I know the a lot of the questions that we ask lead to new questions and lead to new questions. And I I liked how the book, you know, brought that into the concepts on that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Awesome. Thank you. Yeah, I look at curiosity as the right hand man to creativity.

Manifestation And The Audible Narrator

SPEAKER_01 7:43

That's a good point. So another thing that I wanted to ask you about was throughout the book, um, and I listened to it um by and your narrator has a great voice, um, Eduardo Ballentini. Did I if I hope I said that? Bellolini. I think it's Bellini. I think it's Bellantini, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

I always butcher it. He he probably premises every time he hears me say it.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

But but yeah, and he's an actor, so he had he had a dynamite voice. But um with you getting him to narrate that book for you, part of that was manifesting, which you brought up a lot in the book when you were writing it, about you, you kind of added in a lot about how to manifest within your questions to Elias. And so I'd like you to kind of expand on that, if you would, for us and for the listeners, you know, how how did you manifest all of this?

SPEAKER_03 8:38

I would love to, because that that story is actually an ego boost for me. Um, and and I don't really do that much, but this particular one was pretty cool. Um the first place that I wanted to get the audible version of this out was Audible. And Audible has a system where you can search for artists, and I also did a fair amount of internet searches, and I was looking for specific voice and style. And Wardle came up on my radar, and as you mentioned, I mean, he's he's a professional actor. I think he's doing a TV series as we speak. Um, he's done over 720 narrations of books. He's a multi-award winner of or or uh award-winning narratist for books, and he's done books like Eckhart Toll and Dean Koontz and The Dalai Lama and I Can Keep Going and Going. I mean, we're talking some of the top books in this niche on the planet. I believe he also did the Untethered Soul and a couple of others. Um, and you know, we can look them up and find them. But the point is, he's been in this space, he knows this space, and he's won awards doing it. So when I found him, I said, I think this is right. Then I listened to some of his work. Fantastic. I said, okay, great. So I got a hold of him. Well, fairly shortly, and he said, I'm going to be expensive. And I said, Yeah, I get that. I mean, we'll figure that out. That's that's fine. And the second thing he told me was, I'm really busy. And so I'm probably not going to be able to get to this either by the end of the year or maybe the middle of next year, which would be this year. I said, you know, for your voice and what you bring to the book, I'm willing to wait. So in Audible, they have this 15-minute thing that the narrator has to do in order to officiate the contract. They do a sample, and then the book owner listens to the sample and says, Yeah, this is great. Let's go ahead. So Eduardo does the 15-minute piece that next day. And the next day gets a hold of me and says, Yeah, I've postponed all my other projects. I am going to finish your book this week. I'm not setting it down until it's done. And so for me, that was fantastic. Right. Because it's here's a guy that's done all this stuff saying, I can't put your book down. I'm going to finish it now. And so, yeah, that's it's one of my favorite stories.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

So, what was your trick behind that? Did you did were you conscious about how you were manifesting that, or did you were you patient and just kind of waiting?

SPEAKER_03 11:31

Well, I think, I think the key one of the key things about manifestation. Um Esther Hicks through Abraham talks about this, and I'm trying to, I think it was was her husband, Richard. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Her first one or the second one?

SPEAKER_03 11:49

No, the second one, the one she was with through the whole Abraham time.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Okay. Um I'm not sure. Anyway. Yeah, but I know who it is.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

I think it was Richard, but I'm not positive. So, anyway, one of the things that they talk about is that manifestation is not so much figuring out all the steps. It's more like thinking of the universe as your secretary, and you come up with where you what you want and what you want, you envision what the end result you want is to be, and then you hand it up to the secretary and say, go get it done. And you don't try to figure out how it's gonna get done, you don't try to figure out the steps of how it's gonna get done. You just say, This is what I want when it's done. And one of the parts of that is a word that you used, which is patience. I didn't force Eduardo's hand. I didn't say, well, no, I'm sorry, too much money, I'm not gonna pay you, or if you can't get it done this week or this month, I'm not gonna do it. I didn't force any of those things. Because for me, the outcome of him being the narrator was more important to me than the other things. So manifestation takes on a number of different parts, but patience and being curious is really a big part of that, right? And then I really love the way that Esther Hicks and the and and Abraham talk about you just kind of hand it up to the universe and say, go make it happen. This is where I want to be. Go make this happen and and go do the mechanics of it.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

I agree with that because um, in my experience, I've had uh similar um goals or visions that you just kind of hand to the universe. And then in hindsight, I look back and I'm like, I would never have had those paths like circle around and you know, in in a delightful way. It's just exciting, you know, to see how it's happened. Yeah, sometimes better.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Yeah, the thing the universe knows this the the path we should take to get there instead of the path we envision that we should take to get there.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

And it's usually better. Yeah, and more fun what we think.

unknown 14:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

I'd say almost always.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. So tell us a little bit more about the um the mystical aspect of your book.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

I'm gonna change the words a little. I know what you mean, but I'm gonna change the words a little. Instead of mystical, I'm gonna say the things that we're told aren't real that really are real.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Right, right. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

So, how many times have you heard stories about children seeing ghosts?

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Many, many, many times.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

And what's the typical response of most parents?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

There's no such thing as ghosts.

unknown 14:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

So, from a very early age in every single lifetime, because humans kind of follow the same structure, we're taught that these things that are not normal are imagined, that we ate the wrong food, that we dreamt it, that we looked the wrong way when it happened, or whatever, and it really didn't happen. I would argue the exact reverse is true. What we're told to go do, go make a bunch of money, go work really hard, go suffer a bunch, go do all these things. Now, that may be part of our soul path to do those things, but that's really the illusion. What's behind the curtain are the ghosts and the things that we're told aren't real. One of the best things that I can give as an example is the idea of coincidences. I don't believe in quinketings, I don't think they exist. And here's why. Growing up from the age of shoot, 16, 15 on, I would go to a restaurant or my favorite coffee shops and bring my book and happily sit down and have my coffee and read my book. And some random person would pull a chair out from my table, not ask, sit down and start telling me their life story, things that you would never tell your best friend. And they'd just go on and on and just sit there and talk to me. And then we'd have a conversation, and then they'd get up and leave. I never saw them again. Now, for the first couple of years, it was like, this is just really strange. Why, first off, why do these people think it's okay to just invade my space? But second off, why me? I don't see this happening to anybody else in the coffee shop. So I started really becoming curious about it and started really diving into what was going on in each of these conversations. And what I found in every single one was that the person needed to hear something I had to say, and I needed to hear something they had to say. And once we accomplished whatever that was, they'd get up and go away. So is that a coincidence or a quinkadink? Or is that us connecting through our souls and projecting the next meeting? So very much like the meeting we're having right now, was that just a coincidence that we found each other and we said, well, let's do this new podcast together? Is it a coincidence that you're doing this podcast? Is it a coincidence that my book fits what you're looking for? I mean, they you could call them a coincidence. I would say no, there are no coincidence, and that we've already made a connection. We already knew we were going to be here, and now we're just fulfilling what we wanted to do.

Using Fear As A Signpost

SPEAKER_01 17:57

I like that. I do too. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. And, you know, the other um thing that it like a topic of that, you know, you discuss is turning fear into a portal, I think is what you yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

So a signpost, a portal, a gateway, any of those words working.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Yep. Okay. Could you expand on that a little bit for us?

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Sure. So they're kind of two types of fears. There's the one where the saber-toothed tiger's on the hill running down at me and is gonna eat me. Best thing to do is probably run. Run fast, find a big tree. The other fear is the one that happens here. And that fear stops motion, it stops decisions, it freezes people, it causes resentment, it does all kinds of things when we don't understand it as a signpost. We're taught to fear fear. We're taught that all fears we should run away from and not confront. It's interesting that if you take a fear and you become curious about it and you ask, okay, what am I fearful of? How is that fear serving me today? How does that fear serve me going forward? That by asking just those three questions, I turn a fear from blocking me into a fear showing me choices that I can consciously make.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah, I think that's very helpful for a lot of people to understand that, you know, because we we tend to think of fear as something that, you know, we should we should be alarmed by.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

It came up for a reason. And and like you said just just a second ago, the best thing to do is pause. If I'm feeling fear, if I've got fear hitting me right now, the first thing to do is just take a breath and then ask the first question what is this fear? Like, where is this feeling coming from? How is it serving me now? How does it serve me going forward?

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Those are good questions. Yeah. I know that fear can be used um sometimes to control other people too. And if you you know see that and you recognize that, you can also ask those questions that you just mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Every time you turn on the news, it arguably is designed to do exactly that.

Souls Playing The Game Of Earth

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Right. Yeah. So go ahead. I was just gonna um mention that in your book, um, Elias, the mentor, teaches lessons, and then Gabe would go home and write notes in his notebook. And I like the one where you had um the infinity within rules for getting emotion, connection, past, limits, repeated turns in karma, and full immersion. I I made a note of that because I thought that was very interesting. Just all the um topics that they discussed and and learned about together were were great. Thank you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

In the infinity within, uh you guys have of course read it, so you've you've gone over the eight rules. But one of the things that became very real for me is in going down the idea of what is a soul. And the best thing I could do is as I mentioned earlier, I studied a lot of theologies, but what I found is even though the semantics were very different, the results were pretty darn close to the same. And so, for an ease of reference for listeners, the Bible is the easiest book to reference. Because it's arguably the most read book on the planet. And the Bible, the Old Testament is filled with this. The New Testament still has quite a bit of it, but a lot got edited out. And the argument is maybe that it had to do with control and people controlling people. And that is to through both the Old Testament and the New Testament, there are statements like, We are the children of God. There's a statement where Jesus tells his disciples, You will do everything I have done and much more. There's a lot of things that talk about co-creation. And again, in the Old Testament, much more prevalent than the new. But in one of the things I would argue, and again, this is from my perception. So people have different beliefs, and that's perfectly fine. And I'm not trying to push a belief on anybody. But one suggestion I would make that became crystal clear for me was maybe the different spiritual teachers, including Jesus, or arguably one of the first ones, maybe instead of wanting to be put on a pedestal, what he really was trying to say is, hey, let me show you what every one of you can do when you start remembering who you really are.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

And that became a prevalent part of what is a soul, is that if we're the children of God, if we can do everything Jesus did, if we are these soul spirits that are in this construct, how does that look? Well, first off, a soul by definition or God is this omnipotent being that exists outside of space and time. Well, we exist in a fourth-dimensional construct. I call it the game of planet Earth. And what's interesting about the game of planet Earth is the idea that the fourth-dimensional construct, the primary motivator is the passage of time. And when you have time, I could so if a soul is looking in and wants, well, I need to step back again because I want to make sure that the foundation is laid. So after kind of establishing what a soul is, I I I like to boil things down in questions to kind of get to the baseline. And so I said, Well, what does a soul do? I could only come up with three things. Create stuff, and I mean like planets, universes, constructs, whatever, destroy stuff, the inverse, and play games. Okay, let's run with that. Create and destroy is pretty easy. We don't have to spend a lot of time discussing that. But what is a game? What makes a game a game? I can only come up with three things. You have pieces, you have turns, and you have rules. Okay, great. So we have this construct called the game of planet Earth. If it's a game, it's gonna have rules, it's gonna have pieces, and it's gonna have turns. Why would a soul that's this godlike entity want to put a part of itself or put itself into this fourth-dimensional construct? I could only come up with one reason. You want to take a stab at it.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Well, I remember you said the game is being played through us in the book.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

And that was what's the purpose?

SPEAKER_01 25:56

I would say probably um playing the game, like that's the purpose is entertaining, entertaining yourself.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Experience, yeah, yeah. Experience emotion. But I'm not talking about just the fun emotions, I'm talking about all of them, the whole gamut. Because if you don't have yin and yang, if you don't have black and white, if you don't have love and hate, if you don't have this dichotomy, the game gets kind of boring. But I could easily see a soul saying, experiencing emotion. That sounds like that might be fun. Okay, well, well, then let's say that that's right. Just hypothetically, you're at the pearling gates, you're looking into this game of earth, and the pieces are a piece of you.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

The turns are lifetimes.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

And now we get to talk about the rules. So, rule one is that when we agreed, when we agree to come in and play, we leave our godlike abilities out. Well, why do we do that? If the three of us sat down to play Monopoly and I grabbed all the money and all the properties, you probably wouldn't want to play this game with me anymore. Wouldn't be a lot of fun, right? True, right?

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Yes, true.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Okay, so we agree to put them out. Now that kind of handles the problem. But here's where it becomes not workable. My favorite dog runs across the street, gets run over. I don't like it. So I draw on my power, change the whole outcome, and move on. So, what that means is I can experience emotion here, but it's gonna be pretty watered down because anytime something happens I don't like, I just go pull up here and change the event, right? So in comes rule number two. I agree to forget that I have them. Okay, that solves the first problem, but creates a whole new problem. And that's called an infinite time loop trap. Because if we just go with those two rules, we now have a piece of ourselves stuck in this game forever. Hence come the turns, or rule number three. We're gonna have turns, they're gonna be lifetimes. And before we enter the game, we're gonna roughly, and I mean very roughly, draw out what each of our lifetimes, what each of our turns is gonna kind of look like and what our goals are. And if we reach these goals, we get to move on to the next turn, the next turn, and eventually leave the game. Makes sense, right? But here's where it starts getting fun. If we don't achieve the goals that we kind of agreed to, we get to do the turn over and over and over again until such time as we actually figure it out. And then when we do, we get to move to the next turn and the next turn and eventually leave the game. Okay, so now we're not trapped here forever, but we can be trapped here for quite some time if we forget who we are completely and don't start figuring out what we put together for our game, right? And then fourth rule I'll talk about, and then the other four, the everybody can go read. But the the fourth one is what you had said earlier, which is when we're playing, we are 100% invested in the game. Meaning the good, the bad, the ugly, they're they're real. I mean, we're 100% invested in it. Okay, so with that, now I'm gonna ask a slightly different question. Have you guys ever played tic-tac-toe? Yes, yes, okay. Do you play it now?

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Sometimes when my grandkids are around. And they almost beat me.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

How about with adults?

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Uh no. No.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

Why?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

It was fun. I know. Um because it's too easy, kind of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

Once you figure out where the X's no's go, it's a no-sum game. Okay. So that's a human perspective. Now ask yourself, would a soul pick a game that's tic-tac-toe? Or would a soul pick a game that's more like chess or go?

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Yeah, good point. Chess, yeah, for sure.

Archons Illusion And Cheat Codes

SPEAKER_03 30:31

Okay. So what makes the game hard? Well, we have illusion, we have doubt, we have fear. And then what I what I did add to the book that I didn't really contemplate 40 plus years ago, but as I went through life, I kind of understood a little bit more, is the Gnostics have a viewpoint called the Archons. Now, under the Gnostic point of view, the Archons are these godlike entities that actually created this construct, this game, in order to trap souls and feed on energy of the soul, more importantly, negative energy. The Bible, believe it or not, actually discusses the archons. And I didn't even know it. I didn't didn't I didn't recognize it years ago. And then I started looking at all the other theologies and going, wait a minute, this concept of the archons is not just a Gnostic point of view. This is across everywhere. So I took a slightly softer viewpoint in the book, in The Infinity Within, than the Gnostics. However, either one could be very true. In my viewpoint, I'm saying, well, if we're these omnipotent soul beings, we're probably not going to be stupid enough to hand over our freedom to some other god. Probably not. Now, maybe we got tricked. But I could easily see us as co-creators of this game adding Archon-like entities in order to keep illusions in place, in order to keep us out of resonance with our path, in order to make the game and the turns harder, so that we really have to figure things out and really have to struggle and figure out where that next pawn moves and where that next night goes, and so on and so forth. And that actually makes sense to me. Because one of the things that I talk about in the book, and I'll take another segue and then I'll let you guys talk because I've been doing a lot of talking. In the Matrix, when Neo goes to see the Oracle the first time, and the boy is bending the spoon. And Neo says, How are you doing that? And the boy says, It's not so much that I'm bending the spoon, it's that you understand the spoon never existed in the first place. So when we look at how illusion plays, when we're taught as children that ghosts aren't real and that these not real things that happen to us as children growing up are actually imaginary and the wrong food or a dream, that's part of the arconic influence of putting these illusionary veils in front of us to keep us from remembering who and what we really are. But at the same time, and it was one of the other, I was talking with another group. If you take the analogy of the game a step further, I would also bet that as souls, we would we would place in cheat codes. And depending on how much attention we're paying to what's going on in our current turn in our life, these cheat codes are appearing all the time. We're taught to ignore them, but when we start paying attention and being curious and start seeing the cheat codes for what they are, we then start being able to peer behind the curtain and reconnect to what we are.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Which really um facilitates growth for all of us. Yeah. And and there's, you know, we know that this is a time of awakening, remembering, like you said, I I know I like that, uh, remembering who we are and where we came from, and we're getting more um less into the, you know, into the illusion and more growing and seeing things for how they really are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

It's just like all those people sitting down. I remember I was talking to a lady on a podcast a month, two months ago, and she says, you know, I had somebody just do that to me like a week ago. And I was really ticked off. But she said she held her mouth. She was gonna tell this person off, like, get out of my space, go away. And she's for whatever strange reason she didn't understand at the time, she told me, she said she kept her mouth shut. And the person sat down and started talking, and all of a sudden, they said some things that she really needed to hear, and she recognized that, and all of a sudden went, wow, this was actually supposed to happen. But had she gone with her first reaction, which is what we're taught, right? This person's invading my space, right? What we're taught is that we're small disconnected people that aren't connected and really shouldn't bother each other. Well, the people that run news and different things want to keep us in that place, right? Because the minute we remember what we are and that we're actually co-creators in what's going on, the game changes. But if we're taught to be small and disconnected and get angry when somebody else is sharing with us, we're not going to grow very fast. And we're going to get stuck in those terms over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 36:15

Yeah, and I I, you know, as you say that, like with past lives and things like that, um, I had a very strange experience. I I actually picked my family, and I remember picking them, and I remember knowing that I was a soul before I came here, and it was three years prior to me being born, that I met my brother in the hospital window. And, you know, I was there and I you know, I remember like what my sisters were wearing, that my dad was coming back from church, all of this stuff. And I think that I was I was given that gift of remembering that so that I could remember that this lifetime is like an illusion, and that I think of it as uh learning layers or playing the game in in levels and just kind of like a video game that, you know, as you as you start to awaken and you start to learn about certain things and you start to accept the unconditional and the experiences that you know are unbelievable for most people, but you know, like I came in with that. So it's like it's hard for me not to believe people when they tell me all of these things. But I I think that it does the more levels that we um we can we can learn to master, we can finally stop that loop and we don't have to come back here. I, you know, I'm pretty sure this is my last life because I've said that. And you know, I'm like, I'm kind of done here, like I'd like to go somewhere else. So yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

And you could have very easily, I mean, what's a cheat code, right? That's a pretty big cheat code.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

That's true, yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

Right. I mean, remembering why you're here, which family you picked, why you picked them, and choosing three years prior to being there, that's a pretty big cheat code.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

True. Yeah, I never thought of it as a cheat code, but I love that. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Yeah, and you very well could be on that last set of turns where you've accomplished the things that your soul set aside for itself to go do, and you're at the last turn where you're just rounding up and closing loops and working on um balancing out some karma, maybe that's necessary one way or the other. I mean, there's all kinds of reasons for each turn, right? And then you're done.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So can you talk to us a little bit about some of the experiences that you had that um were the you know told by other people, no, that didn't happen. Um, and you question yourself, you know, without giving away too much of the book, um, so people can read it. But just, you know, maybe even pick one situation that you experienced that, you know, made you kind of open up to a lot of this.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Well, the easiest one that that fits your question is when when it was when I was six years old. Because I had an out-of-body experience. It was my first one that that I really remember. And everything became almost of the consistency of smoke or tissue paper for me. Um, all physical things in my room, everything had the consistency of tissue paper or smoke. And I was hearing voices from everywhere, and I was able to see pretty much everywhere, scared the crap out of me. I ran up to my parents, went in their bed, and it went away. And of course, they said it was a bad dream, and that was the end of it. So at six years old, it certainly got me questioning because I did move the train. I mean, these things I remember have having happened, but it was just as easy to the next morning wake up and go, yeah, that didn't happen, right? That that's all imaginary. I imagined it. Um, but then what happened when I was eight again and then 12 again, and then when I was 12, I had some pretty significant material things happen. So the 12, when I was 12 and it happened, the things that happened around that actually were provable the next day. So to answer your question, though, at six and even at eight, I had these things happen, but then it got explained away as not real, as a dream, as a nightmare, as a whatever. And the next day it seemed like that could just as well be too.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Right. And you had no one to talk to at the time.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Well, I mean, I told my parents, but yeah, but that understand that would understand.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

And I know a lot of kids they have these experiences and they tell their parents and they're repeatedly said, no, it's not true. You know, and then something they shut down, they shut down their abilities and they don't want to talk about it, or you know, they they think they're strange, or other other kids will bully them.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

We're taught at a very young age to ignore what's real and believe in what's not. Um I think that's part of the game. I think that's part of the arconic influence. Yeah. Right. And what's what's ironic is that when our parents tell us these things, they're actually telling us these things from a place of love.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

They were taught and they believe that by telling me it was imaginary, that I made believe it didn't happen, it was a dream. What they feel like they're doing is making me feel better about it because I'm scared and it's not real. But it's really a form of gaslighting.

unknown 42:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

True. That's so true.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

I mean, it's really saying, yeah, your reality is not real. Yeah, no, no, no. Don't worry about it. So it's not coming from a mean place. It's not coming, it's coming from a place of love, but we're taught that that's how we soothe. Instead of saying, oh my goodness, tell me more about it. Let's let's play with this together. You know, when has that happened? Very rarely have I heard where a parent will go, well, you this is cool. Well, tell me more about it. Let's let's play with this. Almost never. The most common reaction is, yeah, you ate the wrong food, you were dreaming, you had a nightmare, it was imaginary, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

True. It's true. Out of curiosity, what religion were you raised in, if you don't mind me asking?

SPEAKER_03 42:52

No, my both my parents, is that true? No, my dad came up from a Baptist side. My mom, I think, was United Methodist, but we ended up, I was brought up in a United Methodist.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

But I had a lot of questions. I was not an ideal United Methodist. There's a lot of things that were taught that were good, don't get me wrong. There, I mean, it was a it was a good church, good people, and all that. But the idea of placing entities on pedestals and giving them all my power. In other words, the only way I can really do anything is by praying and hoping it gets answered. That never sat well with me. And then as I studied all these different theologies, it didn't sit with me very well at all. And then it just, you know, kept expanding from there.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

That's probably why you're such a good entrepreneur. Because, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Yeah. Is there anything that you would like to um mention to our listeners that um that might help them on their in their game?

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Sure. Um, we've talked about probably the key one, which Is fear and asking at least the first three questions. What I'd like to do is give an example of how that looks, and it may be real for a number of people or it may not be. But one of my favorite examples is okay, I've been working with a company for 10 years and I want to ask my boss for a raise. But I'm scared. I'm fearful of asking that question. Okay, if I stop there, I'm not gonna ask the question, right? Number one. And number two, I'm probably over time now going to become resentful. Right?

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Okay. If I ask the question, what am I fearful of? Then that can expand into my boss is gonna fire me, my boss is gonna laugh at me, the other employees are gonna laugh at me, I'm not as good as I think, I'm not as worthwhile, or I am not worth the money. You know, all these different things come out of this, right? Where none of them may be real. But for me, in my thought process, because I haven't asked any questions, I'm left with my own little devices and my brain just sits there and spins. And what's interesting is there's a bazillion answers, none of them necessarily right. So I waste a lot of energy and a lot of stuff in not going after what the fear is about. So let's assume for a minute I'm afraid my boss is going to fire me. Seem reasonable? Okay. So now by answering that first question, I can say, okay, so I'm afraid of losing my job. Well, what does that mean? How does that serving me now? How does that serve me going forward? Well, how does that serve me? Is I I get a paycheck at least. Um, it might not be what I think I'm worth, and I am going to get resentful over time, but I'm afraid of losing my job because I'm afraid of losing my income because I need to pay my bills. So I go down this path, right? By being curious. Well, now what's happened is by just asking those questions and going down that path, it's changed from a block to a choice. Because now I can say, okay, well, worst thing that happens if I ask my bots for a raise is I get fired. Which means I gotta go look for a different job. Okay, can I live with that? If I can, great, go ask the question. But it's moved it from a block to a choice and understanding what happens if I make a choice one way or the other. And that gives you freedom.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Right. So before you were more like paralyzed, like before you start asking questions, you couldn't do anything because you didn't know what to do without asking the questions and like going, oh, well, here's some options that we can look at.

Power Responsibility And The Victim Story

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Exactly. Right. So fear is what I call the cement for doubt. If doubt's the blocks that keep us from what we are, fear is the part that glues them together. So if we can start chipping away at fear, we can start looking at the doubts that underlie the fears. And when we start looking at the doubts, we start opening up what we can do. We get into a higher frequency, we start looking at things like, okay, I'm gonna lose my job. Great, I think that might happen. Okay, what's what doubt is there? I doubt I can get another job. Maybe. And you start down this path, but you start opening up these things. One of the perfect examples will take us back to the spoon that Neo and the boy were dealing with. I would argue that every one of us is capable of not only doing many other things, just as Jesus said, but bending a spoon. Let's take an example of what that looks like. Because I find this even today, years later, I find this fascinating. Let's say I take a spoon and I want to bend it. And I'm thinking and I'm doing and I'm trying to remove the doubt and I'm going through all this process, and then it bends. I can guarantee you there are two emotions that come back to back within milliseconds of each other. The first one is elation. Oh my god, I bent it. The second one that follows immediately thereafter, it never happened, I imagined it. Oh my God, I'm scared I actually did this. There's fear in doubt that drops in like within milliseconds of even doing really cool stuff. That's the iconic influence. That's the game reinserting itself and keeping us from remembering. So the more we learn how to believe in ourselves and look at fear in doubt as those signposts to be curious about, the more power we give ourselves to do things that we thought we could never do.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

That was that was excellent. Yeah. Thank you. Very good example. And I I think you're right, you know, it when we are disempowered, it's it's very hard because we give up all of our inner power to something outside of us. And, you know, that that's to me, that's very depressing and hopeless. Where when I, you know, regain my own personal power, then, you know, it's nobody's fault but mine, and it's nobody's success but mine. So it's a it's a good feeling.

SPEAKER_03 50:01

It is, and it's also incredibly scary. When you start figuring out that wait a minute, I can't blame everybody else for what's going on here. I'm actually responsible for how this is all playing out. That's both very freeing and very scary at the same time. Right? Yeah. Because you can't play the victim anymore if you figure out, wait a minute, I'm the co-creator in this thing. I'm not the victim in this thing. Things aren't being done to me. I'm actually agreeing to play.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

Doesn't it make you though like look at other people in a different light? Like I, you know, for me, I like thinking that it's my fault because it allows me to see people for who they are in their um in their perfectness of the situation. Like I don't, I don't know. I don't find it scary. I really don't.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Well, that's because you've passed that curve. Look at all the people that have been used to playing the being playing the victim.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Right.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

That's kind of a safe place because I can just kind of go like this, and just well, you know, I can't really do anything about it, so I'm not going to worry about it.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Good point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

So it's it's we're taught again from a very young age that we're small, non-connected people, and that we're not responsible for the things happening around us and to us. You had a very particular cheat code that came in, which is you picked your family, you picked your location, you picked what was going to happen from baby going up. Well, it's kind of hard to play the victim when you understand that.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

Now, I would argue that every single one of us went through the same process you went to through, but not every one of us pulled down a cheat code that said this either. That's true. Okay. So your perspective from that cheat code allows you to be more personally responsible and understand. I mean, what's more fundamental than saying, yeah, I'm responsible for the damn family I'm in, right? Or the darn family or the great family or whatever word you want to use, but I'm responsible because I picked it. It's hard to blame everybody for everything else when you already understand you picked the place on the planet, the family on the planet, the brothers and sisters on the planet. I mean, you picked all this before you were in a baby. That's a very unique perspective.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

Yeah, it's definitely made my life different than my siblings, for sure. Yeah.

Nature Messages And One Shared Soul

SPEAKER_00 53:00

It's interesting about um perspectives because recently, maybe like six months ago, I was taking a walk and I love to be in nature. That's just my reset. And I um saw this big the sun came on this big rock and it was the face of a of a man. And he like I heard in my mind a message. And so we started you know, a conversation, and I call him the stone man, and he's just incredible. And so I started writing about it in my blog, but um just the messages were so loving and powerful. And and then, you know, I I noticed the other stones, they were they were not just stones either. You know, it's just like that sounds crazy, but to but it really happened and it was a beautiful experience, and I still go and visit my friend, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

Yeah, and and then the question is which is not important, it's not really important to know, but is that another entity talking to you, or is that a piece of yourself talking to yourself?

SPEAKER_00 54:12

I think it's the second one. Yeah. It feels like a friend, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

And then, you know, you get into an either even a bigger question, which my my wife is and I have talked about, is maybe we are all one soul, meaning one God, and we've just splintered ourselves into many, many pieces to experience all the different forms of emotion as well. So maybe we're even more interconnected than a bunch of souls that are connected, right? Maybe we're just one big soul that's got pieces of ourselves in here. So there's a you know, there's many different ways to look at it, but the one takeaway is I think we're all interconnected through the spiritual realm, and that we're here to play a game to experience.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

And it also includes rocks and trees and everything here, everything, everything, you know, table, you know, everything is energy.

SPEAKER_03 55:13

Energy and matter are the same damn thing. And it doesn't matter if it's a rock or silver or gold or flesh or tree or it's still matter, it's still energy, it's still frequency.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Yeah, it's great. Yeah, and I mean quantum physics and quantum entanglement and all the things they're learning about quantum theory are really blurring the line between science and religion.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Starting to really figure out that wait a minute, this quantum entanglement stuff. This is starting to really sound like magic. This is this is some weird stuff. And one of the things I read, I don't know how true this is because I haven't done the research yet, is supposedly, so we've all heard about our penal gland and how it's supposed to control our like other connecting abilities. There's a lot of discussions going around about how our brain is really an interdimensional antenna, and a lot of our thoughts are coming from a lot of places, and that our penal gland is like a main focal point for that. And then there's two interesting colliding thoughts that came that have come to me recently from different places, and that is one is that supposedly in the 60s and 70s, they figured out that fluoride and certain other things calcify the penal gland and shut it down. That's one part. The other part is supposedly there are actual quartz, small forms of quartz crystal or crystal in our penal gland, which operates at different frequencies and and can easily be considered an antenna. So there's there's a lot of different things starting to come out that maybe our brain's not exactly just this piece of material. It's it might have some really interesting intermitt interdimensional stuff. And we've all heard the idea that you know we're only using anywhere between 10 and 12 and a half percent of our brain mass anyway. Great. What's the other 20 or 780 doing?

unknown 57:28

Yeah.

AI Agents That Build Businesses

SPEAKER_01 57:30

I would I would beg you, excuse me, to come on our show again because I would love to get more, and and that's a whole nother podcast about the you know, quantum mechanics and quantum physics. And I actually listened to a uh podcast that you did with um business interrupted or oh gosh, I think I wrote it down somewhere. Um, but you were talking a little bit about quantum computer and you were talking about AI, and all and I would love to have you come back and talk with that about that subject with us as well, if you'd be willing.

SPEAKER_03 58:08

Absolutely. Yeah, one of my projects I'm working on as we speak. Have you guys heard of OpenClaw?

SPEAKER_01 58:15

No.

SPEAKER_03 58:17

So OpenClaw, oh my God. So have you guys heard of Linux, the operating system?

SPEAKER_01 58:25

That I've heard of. So Linux knows about it.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

Linux is an operating system. It's an open source operating system. So you can you can use it instead of Windows or instead of Mac OS. Um, it's a very powerful operating system. It's open source, meaning that anybody can download it for free and use it. And up until three months ago, it was the most downloaded source code on the planet. OpenClaw got released eventually. I think it was originally called Claude D bot, and then OpenAI bought them and it became OpenClaw. It is a piece of software that a guy wrote that allows the software to take control of my machine completely, as much as I want to give it rights to. And you can tell it to go out and build a business and give it connections to a bank account or an investment account or to Twitter or um a URL. And so you can say, hey, I want, I'm gonna give you$100 and I want you to go turn this into$20,000 over the next six months. Figure out how. And then the next day it'll come up and say, okay, I have a website. I need a URL that you can give me, please. And then when you do that, I'll connect my website to it and I'll start the business. And it connects it up, and you just assign the URL IP and it goes off and running. And then it starts talking to people on Twitter and advertising and getting customers, and then it starts selling whatever product it created for the website, and it does this all on its own. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

That's gonna change some things.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

It is it is the most downloaded piece of software in the last 60 days than anything on the planet. Ever. Wow. Wow. Open claw has become the sensation because there are people doing all kinds of really fascinating things. I created one, I gave him, so they have a soul file, which is kind of defining its soul. My system's soul file, I gave him the name Odin the All Father. And so he follows Odin, Norse mythology, concepts, and ideas. So his search for wisdom, you know how Odin gave up his eye for the ultimate source of wisdom, and he has his ravens that go out and do research, and he has his spear and so on and so forth. Well, this is all in my soul definition for Odin. And now Odin goes after tasks for me. So we sit down and discuss what I want it to work on, and it goes out and starts doing it. And if I need a website created to do a certain thing, it just creates it. If I want it to go create a website to go sell something or do something, it just creates it from scratch, coding and all. Everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

Wow. Yeah, that's definitely gonna have to be another podcast with you, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

That's shifting, it's shifting everything right now. Yeah. Yeah, I've been working through the memory system of it. Um, because I have like three and a half years on ChatGPT that I've used. So I downloaded that entire three and a half years of work. ChatGPT has the ability to export that. 3.2 gigabytes of text, which is a lot, and then I fed it to Odin. And it started doing it, but it wasn't doing a really good job because I was talking about some things that were time-based. So through my Chat GPT, you know, some things happened, say two years ago, and then a year and a half later I made some updates, and a year later I made some updates, and so on and so forth. So there's time involved, right? Odin just saw it as a blob, had no concept of time. Right. So I had to teach Odin the concept of time within thoughts. Wow. It's it's just fascinating. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, we could we could spend the next seven hours talking about I know, right? It it is amazing what's going on right now in that space, and I'm clueless to a lot of it, but I'm fascinated by it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

So yeah, that's great. Yeah, it's huge.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Well, you're a font of information.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

That's because of my curiosity.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Right. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:20

That's the key I would give everybody is be curious. Act like you don't know anything and go dig in.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

Excellent. I like that. Well, we certainly have enjoyed having you with us today, Chris. Thank you. And we will have you back.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Yeah, that'll be fun.

Where To Find The Book And Closing

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

Yeah, and then um, for the folks that want to know, the Infinity Within is available at pretty much everywhere. You can get it on Apple, Amazon, Barnes and Noble. You can even get it at Walmart if you like. Um, and I've had bookstores from Norway, Barcelona, Italy, France call me and tell me they're they've picked up the book. Um, I just last week won my 10th uh book award.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Oh, wow. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:07

It's gotten gold book and and editor's choice, and even I don't know if you guys know of Eric Hoffer, the Eric Hoffer Award.

unknown 1:04:14

Nope.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Eric Hoffer's been around since 1922, I think. So they've been doing this a long time. Wonderful. Um, I made the finalist for the Da Vinci Eye Award, which is an award for the book cover.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

And out of all the books, and they go through thousands of books, to be a finalist means that I was picked for, I was one of seven books picked for the actual award. So seven out of however many thousands they've reviewed is pretty cool. And then they're supposed to announce sometime soon whether I actually want anything beyond the finalist, but they said you are allowed to tell people you made it to the top seven.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:57

Wonder if that's great. Well, it is a beautiful book cover for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

And where could our listeners reach learn more about you? I think you have a website.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

Just as my spelling on the screen, Chris Land, K-R-I-S-L-A-N-D.com, will take you to my website. The other thing I've been blessed with is if you go on Google and either type in my name, Chris Land, or and or the Infinity Within, I take over the first three or four pages of Google.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:28

So it's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

And we'll we'll post your website or you know, down at the at the bottom in the comments too, so that people can, you know, um find you there too. So um, so anyway, so I have really enjoyed this. Um, it's great to talk with you. You're a very easy person to talk to. And um in yeah, thank you. And in closing, I would just like to thank our listeners for helping us keep this podcast going. If you can bring out those comments for us so that we know what type of topics you're more interested in, we want your ideas, we want your input. Um, and please press the like and share and subscribe button because that helps us to keep going, helps with the uh algorithms and all of that good stuff. So, in closing, till the next time, how is your intuition leading you to the next perfect step? Thank you.